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Sometimes we need an external perspective to gain some internal perspective. You could be the most self aware person on the planet, but you'll always need someone there to help.
you’re not broken Kendrick you have no free will or thoughts of your own you are acting exactly as you should everything has been set in motion since the Big Bang so chill out , relax and enjoy the ride! Listen to some chic and dance a bit ;)
As I've said several times, Bojack has to be animated because no one would watch it if it were live action; it would hit too close to home and it would be too particularly depressing for most people. The mask of the animation is brilliant for this reason! Plus it's great for all the puns
People don't get it when I say this show is part of my therapy. Watching it totally helped me contextualize depression and anxiety and made it possible for me to confront my baggage. I've had long talks with my therapist about the show and how it's helped me get through the hard times. So glad you get it too!
It's the opposite for me. It sends me into awful emotional spirals where I trap myself in a loop of bad thoughts because I relate to certain parts of the show too much. Then again I understand my depression and anxiety pretty well (not that understanding it helps much but eh), so I guess that's why I react to it differently.
The show always make me feel so sad for the characters and because I can relate to certain parts. But I generally avoid thinking of and confronting those parts of my life, which puts me on par with princess caroline I guess
The worst parts of 13 reasons why is when Hannah is all salty when 1) She tells Clay (i think this is his name) to go away and is upset when he does. 2) She tells that teacher she got raped or something and then runs away from the room and is upset he didn't chase her. Do you expect a teacher who is in charge of all the shit students are going through in the already shitty school to chase after a student -which will look very strange- that has given him half a story. I like how in Bojack Horseman when P.C. says "you should've stayed" and Ralph is like "you told me to leave" and it's true. You shouldn't expect people to do the opposite of what you say just because of the situation that they have no idea about.
I know I'm a piece of shit. That at least makes me better than the other pieces of shit who don't know they're pieces of shit. Or is it worse? Breakfast!
@@martingaggero8462 his wife (Diane) sent out an article piece that was pointing wrong things he was doing as governor with the fraking situation. She hit send and then PB took the computer and smashed it, Diane grabbed his mug and then he pinned her against a wall. Then there's the Hank situation where he was trying to convince Diane to not pursue Hank and to be quiet all because he didn't want to lose his position on the show. He just hides his flaws better. Bojack senses there's more to PB. He sees past his happy go lucky persona.
The #1 thing I've learned from Bojack is that not everything in life needs "closure". If you fucked up and ruined a relationship, it's sometimes best to just learn from your mistakes and move on instead of trying to fix it and potentially making things worse. Or on the flip side, revenge is a waste of energy. Bojack finally got "revenge" on his mom, but it only made him worse.
I noticed that after Butterscotch passed away, Bojack lamented to Beatrice that he had so much to say to his father, thought he had the time, and missed his chance forever. With Beatrice, his main goal of getting her lucid enough was just to tell her everything he wanted to say since she won't be alive much longer, and he'll miss his chance just like he did with Butterscotch. I honestly thought it was pretty touching and beautiful that he willingly gave up that opportunity to comfort her instead, despite everything, giving her a moment of happiness with this fantasy of eating ice cream with her family, all happy instead of the tragic truth, even though he didn't know that truth.
Hate to kill the good times, but there's a small depressing detail that people seem to miss in that scene. Bojack tells her they're eating ice cream and asks her if she can taste it. If you pay attention you can see her struggle to describe the taste because she has never had any before. That question brought her back into her depressing reality, sort of.
I still find it pretty touching, he's created a fantasy for her where her family was alive and happy and was free to eat ice cream. When she struggled to describe it my heart sank for a moment, that she would break down to the crushing reality, but she just let it go and believed in her fantasy that it was real and as delicious as she imagined. That's how I interpreted the scene anyway, but it's more Bojack's gesture that I found moving.
@@swifty1147 it was still heartwarming to see Bojack break the cycle of abuse in his family. I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. I think there are so many ways to interpret this show and it's characters.
Just like Diane, I don't know exactly what is wrong, I just feel that I will never be happy. What has happened to me, to the promises of youth? I don't want to die, but I dread to face the fact I'm not living either. I want to cry for no reason, yet I can't bring myself to do it. I'm dry inside, desensitized, withered.
Sounds like Major Depressive Disorder. I have it. You can have a happy life with people who love and cherish you. But you can feel that it's hollow and fake. That they don't actually like you. That at anytime they'll turn against you. That you don't deserve happiness or love. You just feel empty and false yourself, because in reality your the one who doesn't love you. Your the one who doesn't understand why you deserve happiness.
Diego Mattos Yeah, man. This is what I say to everyone. Everyone is susceptible to depression. Nobody is safe from it. If you fall into it DEEPLY, there is *NO* coming back. Ever.
@@KaneK1234 wtf dude? People do come back from deep depression. Its possible. Bojack said life is a series of closing doors. Which is true. Time's arrow always move forward and the doors that were open will close. To not feel like life is slipping way, you have to make new doors to open. New experiences, new skills to learn. Anything. Take up guitar, or skiing. Seriously. A sense of growth is what makes people happy according to some psychologists. There is only growth or depression, not some steady thing called happiness. Just my opinion. Working on dealing with the closed doors in my life myself. And I have to make new ones, but I'm caught looking longingly at the ones that are closed. Look at Jim Carey's stuff on depression and joy its pretty inspiring.
I disagree. I don't think the show asks us to forgive Bojack or Bojack's mother because of their past. They show their past so we understand, not so we forgive or show compassion. Bojack never forgives his mother, until she finally behaves like a kind person. The show tells Bojack's past is not a good reason for Bojack should be an asshole, and other people are not responsible for Bojack being an asshole, Bojack is the only one responsible, because everyone is responsible for their own actions, whatever bad their past was.
spence Spicoli No, the narrator says Bojack should be the one to reach her mother and forgive her. The mother should be the one to be a good parent, just like Bojack must be a good father/brother/person, and nobody should forgive Bojack because of his past.
@@kodokudeusotsuki well I get what you are saying but not forgiving his mother is the reason why he never understood her and they could never establish a healthy relationship (at least bojacks part of the reason). So I agree that the show emphasizes that everyone is responsible for their own actions but at the same time you shouldnt hold others to an impossible standard and rub it in their face when they cant reach your expectations (like diane does with bojack in the philbert premiere for example) since that doesnt help anyone
@Blackwolf MGTOW Why? Because she would be female and that would be a misogynist's worst nightmare? You do realize the show makes fun of people like you, right?
Dianne: we’re responsible for our own happiness va know Bojack: good lord that’s depressing Dianne: no it’s not Bojack:I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast. Same bojack same
*It really hurt seeing Bo Jack missing an opportunity to connect with his mom because I lost mine before I got a chance to know her as an adult,* it's quite amazing how many lessons animation can teach us
I lost my mother early in 2018. Sadly, I found myself relating heavily during Bojack's long funeral speech. Very close parallels. Humans rarely appreciate what they have until it is gone.
However, animation can be a double edged sword as there are still a preponderance of people that still see animation as "Kids Stuff" and "Kids Stuff" only. Luckily these beliefs are shared by those who grew up imprinted on this notion. While it's only a matter of time that this attitude and these individuals will fade away (most likely not within my lifetime), these individuals are still a majority for the time being.
For abuse victims this is incredibly dangerous advice. If you've been abused and suffer from PTSD, or any chronic guilt, you are under zero obligation to go out of your way to reconcile with your abusers. Doing this could be potentially dangerous for your own mental health. Please, while well meaning, there needs to be a warning of some kind in the captions. This is potentially harmful advice for some people.
Right? I'm dealing with some family shit and now I'm wondering what's the actual problem we have to address to work towards something better. Amazing show and an amazing job by this channel breaking it all down.
5 лет назад+1
if you're the only one chasing a fix it means they're the problem @@Richard-Espanol
@@desserted9429 it's not meant in like that this is the only genereation with depression. But depression seems kinda like something everyone has these days because now since we have a phone we can see the succes of other people and school keeps pushing students more into a direction that they dont wanna go. And everyone wants a child even though they are not ready yet because to a lot of woman they think if they don't get a child before turning 30 it's going to be to late. So idk the expectations kinda got worse because it is one thing if your parents are disapointed but now even strangers will judge you for you degree or job or idk
No one ever gets Diane. She, like Bojack, is self centered. The whole point of her friend that she has lunch with is to portray this. The way she will be happy, is when she stops caring how others see her on the inside, and focuses on helping others. The only time we see her happy is when she is actually helping kids in Cordovia, and feels unhappy because of the self centered attitude of St Claire, and she sees herself. Or she is happy when she is helping Bojack and Todd with their feelings. Duh!
Her family treated her like trash. Her self esteem is terrible because of that. Her family was a failure and now she fears she will be like them! And that they made her feel like she is worthless! A total failure! Because she did not find someone for the prom and so they gave hera hobo to make her like she is unworthy and low as dirt, to make fun of her. To feel useless and lazy even though she is not. If you have been abused in your family, you will feel like you do not have a purpose and down the line you will feel unhappy. She suffered from emotional abuse from them like Bojack. You do not know what you want due to cost and benefits and pros and cons. After she knew that from being married to Mr. Peanutbutter, that is how she reached her despair. Her life is not perfect. She is not perfect. No one is except God. That is why she is not happy. Those sacrafices. She has to take depression pills. She just feels...numb. indifferent. Unhappy. Being smart kills you literally. I am a Diane. I understand her perfectly. Her brain was damaged from abuse. Depression destroys your brain. It was not her fault. I have to defend her.I think she took medication but she took the wrong ones. She just needs better medication that fits her genetics.
Sorry I forgot something. I think she will be better off with bojack only if they want to change together in order for them both to heal. And they need to take better medication. She needs someone to understand her and to listen to her. Empathy helps...but at what extent is the question? Sometimes empathy is a dangerous thing.
Nope, she wasn't happy helping people in Cordovia. She thought that's what she wanted to do, because it made her different and "superior" as opposed to all those "shallow hollywoo" people, but then she realized that job was just as fake so she drop it.
@@mino-taur maybe because helping others while fulfilling them, does not necessarily fulfill you. As you listen and help deal with their demons you get corrupted by those demons. You get scarred just as much as those you help. That's why they tell you to never get too attached. Because it takes a special person, to deal with the issues of other and not develop issues of your own. Well, even more issues. Diane and Princess Carolyne, are perfect example of people who either help people with their hollowness while being hollow themselves, or people who have to come to terms with their own issues when they do so.
I didn't like this analysis. Don't get me wrong it's well thought out but it misses some vital details. For one thing we see Bojack trying to connect with his mother in flashbacks (going to lunch, inviting her to the taping of his show, etc) and all he gets is venom, saying he doesn't try to know her as a person rings false because she didn't want him to know her. The only time we see her acknowledge her faults is after Bojack's book is published and by that point Bojack's in his fifties, it's too little too late. I think the more important lesson to learn from their relationship is that you shouldn't cling to toxicity.
The thing is, I've tried to connect with my abusive mother. She's in denial about what she did to me, and questions about her past lead to her screaming that it's none of my business. Everything I know about her I had to pick up through snippets of rants and conversations over the years and stories from my aunt. Poor Bojack doesn't seem to have even the Uncle he mentioned. I've always been curious to see how young Bojack interacted with his grandparents tho. Did he used to sit next to Honey because she was at least the only adult who didn't yell at or criticize him? Was Joseph at least happy to have a grandson? Like if you want to see that too.
But in Season 4, with Beatrice being seriously demented, that old personality has been muted. She was a terror but now she's as helpless as a child and can't hurt him anymore. The dynamics have changed, and Bojack continuing to react to the memory of her as the abuser has nothing to do with preserving his mental health ("cut out toxic people" is helpful advice if said people are still being toxic)
5 лет назад+15
Bojack's greatest sadness is that people pretend he's not trying.
I think it goes along the premise that one has to stop blaming others and take any possibility to turn ones life around Waiting for his mother to approach him will take too long since she’s stuck in her own traumas but directly asking her will eventually set him free
What Cuddly Whiskers said sums up this entire video pretty well, he says that in order to be happy you have to realise how truly miserable you are and that it doesn't have to be that way, then you can begin to be happy.
This is a very interesting show, and your video is something I scarily resonate with. Even scarier was that before I opened up my laptop and found this in my subs box I was thinking about my own father. I never knew him. I mean I knew of him, but never met him in real life. He was a real bad man, tried to kill my mom twice: first time she escaped with my sister and I (I was a new born) and second time he tracked her down. Mom never hid the truth of him, what he did, or her past from us even as little kids. He was a drunk, a drug addict, and a man who was only out for his own self interest. When my mother filed a restraining order he didn't even try to fight for us. I was about nine when I decided to forgive him for what he did. What was the point of hating a man who I never met? I prayed for him all the time, asking God to show him the way and to heal any wounds he had. I wanted him to change his life around not for me, but for himself and everyone around him. As I got older I asked questions, and mom answered them honestly. His dad, my grandfather, died when my father was three. He was drunk when he fell through a glass ceiling and bled to death. His mother, my grandmother, was a Sioux native who was taken from her reservation by my grandfather and became pill popper/alcohol abuser. His older brother was a man who was in and out of prison for violent crimes, and his sister was an IV drug user. It wasn't until I was in my early twenties that I truly learned to pity him, as he was set up for failure from birth. He passed away in 2011. I found his obituary a month after he passed. He was 55 and was in the hospital for a month with RV failure, mitral stenosis, CHF, and ultimately died of respiratory failure. All of it brought on by year and years of severe alcohol and drug abuse and he died alone in a hospital, gasping for breath. Don't get me wrong, everyone makes their own decisions in life as to how they react to situations when they're adults, but we as parents set up our children with life lessons on how to react. His parents set him up for failure and he knew no other way to break out of that cycle. However my mother did. She saw the writing on the wall and made her escape when she could. She raised us with the ability to handle stress without turning to destructive habits, how to deal with difficult people, and how to let things roll off your shoulders. From an early age I decided to let my anger go and direct what energy my birth father let out into something good. I'm now raising my own son with a man who is the opposite of what my father was, and I am happy knowing that my son will never feel the ripple of what my grandfather did to my father, or what my father would have done to us.
Wow. You're a wonderful example of how extreme challenges and setbacks in our lives can become the catalyst for real growth and empathy.....especially if we have someone close to us to assist that journey. Your mom ended up in a horrible relationship with your father but turned that into something good by protecting and raising you with love. Thanks for sharing your hard earned wisdom with us.
I can't tell you how many times I've thought or said "I should be happy! Why am I not happy? Am I broken?" Nice to hear the same come from Diane, although I can't offer any advice about it.
It's a great show. But there are so many great shows out there that provide new ideas and perspectives; just take a look at ScreenPrism's other reviews. Nothing against watching a show multiple times to find something you previously missed. But is there really so much to gain from a seventh viewing? Watching the same thing dozens of times can be comfortable since you already grew fond if it, but seems more in a way like clinging to something for comfort the same way Bojack clings to his past, missing opportunities of so much things that could be explored instead.
@@sadfreak761 Off the top of my head, here are my four top picks:
*Breaking Bad.* Another series I consider close to perfect. (Even if you're not usually into life action or non-fantasy series, odds are BrBa will make you discover an appreciation for this genre. At least it did for me. As the name implies, the MC has a reverse character development compared to Bojack, which can be even more gut-wrenching at times. Nonetheless, )
*Monster (2004).* Equally great storytelling with believable characters that deals with the question of nature vs nurture. More mystery and less party than Bojack. (Although there have been multiple plans for a life-action adaptation, the 2017 series on Amazon Prime is something else. Though judging by the reviews it looks like a promising murder thriller as well, haha.
*Futurama.* Looking for something more light-hearted? If you like Bojack's character-driven yet somewhat episodic storytelling, as well as it's way of delivering serious topics in humorous or absurd situations, here's another candidate with smart writing. Despite the premise of taking place in the far future, it manages to illustrate timeless struggles and cultural dynamics that range from everyday life to existential philosophy. (The writers have actual math and physics PhDs, so the scientific references are generally smart and far more than mere technobabble.)
*Can't Hurt Me.* Lastly, if you're looking for a different medium and genre entirely, there's plenty of amazing audiobooks that you can listen to while doing chores. I'm currently listening to Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins. This guy had a pretty rough childhood as well. So if you're looking for a real-world counter-example to our fictional horse with a shitty upbringing, this guy is as inspiring as it gets. (As with every autobiography, it is probably 'embellished' to some minor extent. But I'd consider that artistic liberty to amp up the delivery. Last but not least, that guy is a Navy Seal, ultramarathon runner, and word-record holder. So as opposed to many motivational coaches, this guy definitely puts his money where his mouth is.) Do you have a series you could recommend in that same vein?
A virtue is not gained easily nor a sin easily stopped. Becoming a good person doesn’t mean it’ll be easy but it’s rewarding to see the effects it has on the people around you :)
This show is deep, insanely entertaining, and hard hitting. I love it for its raw reality and extremely riveting story of how bojacks life slowly goes to shit as he realises why it's going to shit. I'm excited for the new season, but I'm extremely sad that it will probably be the end of the show.
Hey now. She's inspirational in the fact that she's the only one who does the work to better herself and improve her situation. She sees the hypocrisy in society, and eventually even in herself. She sees a therapist who helps her. She stays a good friend to an otherwise horrible person and helps him rehabilitate himself. Her life goes on even after heartbreak. See the good in yourself.
For a lot of people life is just one long, hard kick in the urethra. _Sometimes_ when you get home from a long day of getting kicked in the urethra you just want to watch a show about good, likable people who love each other. Where, y'know, no matter what happens at the end of thirty minutes *everything's gonna turn out okay,* because in real life -- did I already say the thing about the urethra?
I was well aware of everything my parents went through as a kid. And they were aware of what their parents went through, but it didn't make them less abusive. or justify their abuse. They chose not to go to therapy. In fact, I probably gave her more compassion than she ever gave me. We have to be careful not to have more empathy for abusers than the abused. I'm kind of tired of people telling me that I have to forgive my abuser because I don't. I don't have to do the emotional labour of that relationship.
I wasn’t as abused as bojack or beatrice but I agree. Some of my problems stems from my parents treatment towards me as a kid and its really hard to excuse everything they did just cause they suffered through the same thing and so did their parents. They could’ve reflected on themselves and chose to be a better parents but.. they didn’t. I also think that even if we break the generational curse of this cycle of abuse, our kids will suffer through something terrible too. Or maybe I’m just thinking too much about it just cause I also have childhood trauma from school that haunts me to this day.
Exactly. You don't have to forgive people who mistreated you. If they screwed you over, it's on them to fix it, not on you to forgive them for it. If they feel guilty but make no actual effort to be better then you do not have to forgive them. Did the person who made this video NOT see Bojack's attempts with Herb Kazzaz? An apology is meaningless if it's too little too late and with no actions behind it. At some point the words "I'm sorry" become meaningless because it's clear the person is just going to keep doing as they've always done. That's Bojack's main problem. He may feel sorry. He may apologize. But then he'll fall right back into the same old pattern of behavior and ruin someone else's life irrevocably. In the end the only way to escape that cycle is to cut that toxic person out of your life and work on yourself. That's what everyone around Bojack has done, and the thing Bojack never fully managed.
More proof that this is one of the greatest shows ever. We live in an age where talking animal drawings teach us to examine our humanity in a significant and powerful way. Great vid.
Okay. I've NEVER seen or cared to see Bojack Horseman. I just clicked on this video out of curiosity. I don't know if it's your voice or the writing, but you guys made me cry. 😢😭 I can't help relating to BH. No, I never had abusive parents (well maybe a little verbal abuse from my mom), and I've never done drugs or drink heavily, but I do make mistakes & have embarassing moments that have haunted me since I was a child. 😔 So sometimes I do see myself as stupid & worthless, and it doesn't help that I surround myself with friends who constantly insult my intelligence. I'm not happy. Thank you, ScreenPrism. I may give this show a shot sometime.
I am sorry to hear that you have these thoughts and worries. Can you really call these people your friends if the relationship is that unhealthy for you and not helping your growth?
If your friends don't appreciate you, they are not your friends. Trade them in on someone decent or, at the very least, put them in their place. BTW. At first I figured Bojack would be another Simpsons or Family Guy. Then I actually watched and realized it's not. Far from it. Despite the medium, it is much more cerebral and nuanced. The emphasis is on character.
Your analysis on Gryffindor and Slytherin were really good. I'm so excited for Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. In Crimes of Grindelwald we actually might get a close look at their common rooms. So just keep up that great work.
I knew Diane was my spirit...animation....person. Literally just today I was bawling and lamenting about how I don’t have extravagant wants or desires but I’m not content with life either. It’s a terrible place to be in.
The only time I started healing was when I walked with my dad who beat me silly , was a neglecting workhalic and manipulating threatening to leave my family was when he told me... He never had a childhood , never had a father who paid to send him to school he had to work his ass off just to study and other ways to get to where we were...... And it makes him jealous seeing how easy I have it, having toys and being so care - free..... That night I understood, he really was a wounded child..... His pain was my pain.... it still doesn't excuse his abuses, but he was HUMAN
This is great advice for I hope a majority of cases in relationships, but I'd also like to add, some people can not see their own flaws. Even if Bojack could know what his mother went through and understand, if she isn't willing to see what he can see in his own life, that he was raised by abusive people with their own baggage, then that's a toxic person who isn't your responsibility. Some people are Frodo, others are Gollum and it's very important to see which one the person is before you waste time trying to repair something that will always just fall apart and chip away at you. My mother has NPD. She's extremely damaged as a person, and she can not see that she has faults. Everyone else is the problem, not her. I know this is because of her less than stellar, but socially accepted type of upbringing (abuse can be subtle, it can be the little jabs and derisive moments that make a shit person, because it's light enough to not be obvious later in life just how damaging it was. Many heavily abused people get out, because at some point they see others with healthier relationships and question their own. Subtle abuse that chips away becomes normalized easier and therefore is harder to see, both in and outside of the situation.) I have to cut her out of my life. I tried to have rules for treating me as person, things she does that aren't okay, but she can't keep boundaries, she can't understand and me asking her to look at herself and what she's done is like asking someone with out legs to walk. She doesn't have this capacity and it's not fair for me or her to continue trying to ask for something she can't give, love, acceptance and forgiveness. She also has nothing to offer but drama and martyrdom. it's a sad creepy existence that isn't my responsibility to deal with. She will likely die alone and bitter and there isn't a damn thing I can do about that. I tried, I wasted 23 years trying. I feel for her, I empathize, but it's one sided. I see, while she is blind and always was and she's proud of her blindness. She's a Gollum who sometimes wears mask of Smeagol, but Smeagol is dead, because for her, her Smeagol never even existed. There is no secret good person underneath such damage, because that person never got to develop. A person lacking person hood is a husk with the face of a normal person. It's important to see the rare cases where there is no one better underneath, there is no one to save, it's just damage, anger, fear, denial and abuse. Some personality disorders effectively cause this, and many are entirely untreatable, To date, there is no person who had diagnosed NPD and ever got cured, or even really all that much better. It's an irreversibly damaged person. And it's not anyones responsibility to futiley try to fix something that actively tries to break itself.
there's a huge problem in saying that dian's and mr peanutbutter's relationship seemed to be the answer to her woes in the fact that we've never seen her not dating/married to him(excluding flashbacks to before the show started n she's always shown as happy or at least putting on a smile in those) so all the woes we've ever seen we're very much alive in the relationship and it was almost never him fixing the problem even when he knows he has or is actively messing up he's never in charge of the clean up honestly i do not understand how anyone could watch the show n think she should stay
The series is highly insightful, I got hook since the first time. These videos essays from ScreenPrism ARE AMAZING AND INSGIHTFULL AS WELL, keep the good work guys, meant a lot to me seen this kind of content here
Understanding is different to excusing someone, Beatrice's childhood does not excuse how she treated bojack and bojacks childhood does not excuse how he acts that's on him and if he wants to be a good person it's his responsibility not anyone else's, we can't just accept people being horrible because they were abused
Great analysis; I hadn't thought of it in terms of addressing the past to make forward. It makes sense, though, given the theme of history repeating in this season. I think Hollyhock has a more important role than you acknowledge, though. I think the reason Bojack is FINALLY able to make some progress with her, is that he sees a lot of himself in her. He doesn't want her to make the same mistakes he's made, and... It's less about redeeming himself for his own sake, and more about helping someone he cares about. He's not so hung up on what success or failure says about his character. Anyway, thanks for getting me hyped for season 5! Well, more hyped.
"BoJack Horseman" helped me address my own depression and unhealthy relationship practices. Fantastic video putting one of the show's central themes into words!
@Blackwolf MGTOW And how many women are messed up because of men and all the problems they create? You do realize that it was misogyny, especially that in the father, that ruined Beatrice and then her son and family's life? The crux of the show is the fact that holds true for all time: Men are a problem. And men ruin societies.
This show made me feel better about life than years of visiting my therapist ever did. It's like while I was watching this show my somewhat lingering depression was gone because I can relate to how much everyone struggles with their mental issues. Todd is probably the most relatable character for me. I constantly distract myself with media to hide how much of a worthless burden I really am in general. Just like how he constantly gets into shenanigans to hide how much of a slacker he is.
The thing is, I've tried to connect with my abusive mother. She's in denial about what she did to me, and questions about her past lead to her screaming that it's none of my business. Everything I know about her I had to pick up through snippets of rants and conversations over the years and stories from my aunt. Poor Bojack doesn't seem to have even the Uncle he mentioned. I've always been curious to see how young Bojack interacted with his grandparents tho. Did he used to sit next to Honey because she was at least the only adult who didn't yell at or criticize him? Was Joseph at least happy to have a grandson? Like if you want to see that too.
The way i felt about reading about your mother denying her abuse in your later years as an adult.. it felt like i was reading a chapter out of a book that depicts my future. It is already happening. This show is so amazing at not just creating funny raw content, it depicts mental health so accurately, it hurts even with my detached emotions. It brings real life everyday people with different backrounds together with impecable story telling and writing, i could just see myself in so many characters. This and Rick & Morty have to be my favorite adult themed post modern cartoons, their depth and originality is what intrigued me, the characters and emotional storylines is what entertains me and keeps me hostage. Tv shows and movies as brilliant as this show always serve as reminders as why i love movies ect and writing so much.
I have asked my mom about her childhood. She says she had a good relationship with her mother and grandparents. She and her siblings grew up without a dad and times were rough in her old country back in the 80s. Not sure how she learned to be an effective manipulator.
god i wish i was able to do shit like that however my mom is a lot like Beatrice in so many ways. she did so many drugs that ruined her mind by the time she hit her 40s so she can’t even remember something we told her a second ago, let alone remember her past. so even if i wanted answers i could never get them from her, honestly this show has helped me open up in my thoughts about a lot of things and i relate to bojack in a lot of ways, aside from the fact that he drinks and i don’t even touch the stuff. honestly this show definitely makes you think in a lot of ways, and i can’t wait to see more from it, something that helps bojack become happier somehow maybe even. either way i’m gonna continue watching regardless.
Although I perfecly know that part of BoJack’s unhappiness is due to the way Beatrice raised him, I cannot help feeling bad for Beatrice due to her childhood trauma. After her big brother died in WWII, it’s shown how her mother (BoJack’s grandmother) cared so much for Beatrice’s brother till the point she started to behave strangely, ending up with that “lobotomy” (or at least that’s what I remember it being) operation. Afterwards, Beatrice’s mom tells her not to love nor care for nobody the way she loved Beatrice’s brother never. That’s why I emphatize so much with Beatrice.
Okay so. On Bojack's relationship with his mother. I find it incredibly damaging to say that we should try to see things from our abuser's side (like his mother, for example). SHE ABUSED HIM! What miscommunication is there? What does understanding matter when he was brutally psychologically abused and neglected as a child? As someone who studied psychology to try to understand her abuser, I think this is such horrible horrible segment. I understood, eventually, why I was abused and where my abuser came from. Did it matter? Absolutely not. I'll be damaged for the rest of my life, they ruined me and I'll be forever trying to keep the pieces together. Bojack, with regards to his mother, was perhaps a little too generous but I know where he comes from at least. Loving her, wanting her approval when everything she ever was to him was a trainwreck. But her having been abused herself doesn't excuse being a monster. Her shitty life isn't an excuse to treat the only thing she really has like absolute garbage. In real life, past abuse doesn't excuse the abuser. That holds true here. "Understanding" your abuser doesn't do anything, doesn't change it. And they don't deserve for you to try.
I commend whoever put this piece together for what seems like a lot of work. Good for you for taking the time to sort out your thoughts. My impression of the central idea of this video is that it missed the point of the point of BoJack Horseman, but in a really thoughtful, caring way. My reading is BoJack Horseman describes some hard truths that may not be so popular in therapeutic circles. This video's narrator seems to hold the relatively optimistic truth of there being healthy responses to family trauma that lead to enhanced feelings of happiness; she mentions taking the opportunity to talk to elders in your family to get a sense of them as whole people rather than as perpetrator's of one's own soul damage. I find it interesting that the therapists we see in Season 5 possess many suspect qualities. Diane's therapist of many years both dumps her for BoJack (uncool) and routinely violates her clients' confidentiality. I'm not sure I see the point of looking for messages of hope from BoJack Horseman. That seems a little too optimistic, insufficiently paradoxical, to resonate with the true spirit of the show as I see it. Nonetheless, I genuinely applaud your effort to construct an argument that you present on youtube.
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Last minute deconstruction before the new season? I love it already
fuck skillshare shilling.
I'd love your videos so much more if you just left the ads at the end. It's frustrating having to skip them every video. I don't watch your videos for ads, I watch them for your fascinating insights and analyses. You're big enough and successful enough that you don't need to have mid-video ads, surely?
Please do a character analyze on the characters from cowboy bebop
Hiiiiii. @screenprism
Can you so an analysis of the breakfast club. I know its pretty simple but it is my all-time favorite movie.
I can't believe this show about an alcoholic horse makes me understand my own trauma and depression
Sometimes we need an external perspective to gain some internal perspective. You could be the most self aware person on the planet, but you'll always need someone there to help.
I cannot believe how broken I truly am
@@CiggyButtBoi you need to talk brudda?
you’re not broken Kendrick you have no free will or thoughts of your own you are acting exactly as you should everything has been set in motion since the Big Bang so chill out , relax and enjoy the ride! Listen to some chic and dance a bit ;)
The episode where he says ‘you are shit’ cn was the first time a show EVER spoke to me.
As I've said several times, Bojack has to be animated because no one would watch it if it were live action; it would hit too close to home and it would be too particularly depressing for most people. The mask of the animation is brilliant for this reason! Plus it's great for all the puns
Yeah, it's better than every crappy soap operas out there.
The random puns really lighten the mood.
I bet it would be really hard to find a horse as good as acting as Will Arnett too
@@zacharysmith8263 hey now, Mr. Ed was pretty good! give credit where credit is due
But is he available now? I think not
*Bojack Horseman in a nutshell*
"Have a bad life"
"Joke's on you. I already have one"
"Heeeey aren't you the horse from horsin' around?"
@@gerardohernandezsoto9182 its the horse from bojack horseman
People don't get it when I say this show is part of my therapy. Watching it totally helped me contextualize depression and anxiety and made it possible for me to confront my baggage. I've had long talks with my therapist about the show and how it's helped me get through the hard times. So glad you get it too!
i get it man
i try and tell people this show is like therapy for me.
I try and get people who need this show to watch it with that sort of descriptor
I totally get that.. This show helped me as well!
It's like an annual reunion with myself!
Chris Martinez same
It's the opposite for me. It sends me into awful emotional spirals where I trap myself in a loop of bad thoughts because I relate to certain parts of the show too much. Then again I understand my depression and anxiety pretty well (not that understanding it helps much but eh), so I guess that's why I react to it differently.
The show always make me feel so sad for the characters and because I can relate to certain parts. But I generally avoid thinking of and confronting those parts of my life, which puts me on par with princess caroline I guess
That moment when you react emotionally to a show about an alcoholic horse actor
Alcoholic actors might be emotional, it's mostly the horse.
Yeah, most of the time. I think being a superstar was super-hard to live and impossible to know what life is.
This show made me cry like 3 times fam
Bojack Horseman is what "13 reasons why" aspires to be
Sway in the morning tbh yes
Sway in the morning the first season of 13rw is at most one BoJack episode, but I’ll still watch it
Woah I almost forgot that was a thing
Jaspal Deora ikr
The worst parts of 13 reasons why is when Hannah is all salty when 1) She tells Clay (i think this is his name) to go away and is upset when he does. 2) She tells that teacher she got raped or something and then runs away from the room and is upset he didn't chase her. Do you expect a teacher who is in charge of all the shit students are going through in the already shitty school to chase after a student -which will look very strange- that has given him half a story. I like how in Bojack Horseman when P.C. says "you should've stayed" and Ralph is like "you told me to leave" and it's true. You shouldn't expect people to do the opposite of what you say just because of the situation that they have no idea about.
Hey! Isnt that the horse from horsing around?
lg1studios no hosing around has the hose
Nah its filbert
lg1studios is this a crossover episode?
He looks like the one from Secretariat...
Oh wow!
I know I'm a piece of shit. That at least makes me better than the other pieces of shit who don't know they're pieces of shit. Or is it worse? Breakfast!
That episode fucked me up
It makes him better than PB since Mr PB can't admit it and gets angry if you try to show that he does shitty things.
Was pb really that bad of a person? I dont remember much but i have an image of him being pretty decent
@@martingaggero8462 his wife (Diane) sent out an article piece that was pointing wrong things he was doing as governor with the fraking situation. She hit send and then PB took the computer and smashed it, Diane grabbed his mug and then he pinned her against a wall. Then there's the Hank situation where he was trying to convince Diane to not pursue Hank and to be quiet all because he didn't want to lose his position on the show. He just hides his flaws better. Bojack senses there's more to PB. He sees past his happy go lucky persona.
Wtf yes you are right, i might have to rewatch it
The #1 thing I've learned from Bojack is that not everything in life needs "closure". If you fucked up and ruined a relationship, it's sometimes best to just learn from your mistakes and move on instead of trying to fix it and potentially making things worse.
Or on the flip side, revenge is a waste of energy. Bojack finally got "revenge" on his mom, but it only made him worse.
I noticed that after Butterscotch passed away, Bojack lamented to Beatrice that he had so much to say to his father, thought he had the time, and missed his chance forever. With Beatrice, his main goal of getting her lucid enough was just to tell her everything he wanted to say since she won't be alive much longer, and he'll miss his chance just like he did with Butterscotch. I honestly thought it was pretty touching and beautiful that he willingly gave up that opportunity to comfort her instead, despite everything, giving her a moment of happiness with this fantasy of eating ice cream with her family, all happy instead of the tragic truth, even though he didn't know that truth.
Hate to kill the good times, but there's a small depressing detail that people seem to miss in that scene. Bojack tells her they're eating ice cream and asks her if she can taste it. If you pay attention you can see her struggle to describe the taste because she has never had any before. That question brought her back into her depressing reality, sort of.
I still find it pretty touching, he's created a fantasy for her where her family was alive and happy and was free to eat ice cream. When she struggled to describe it my heart sank for a moment, that she would break down to the crushing reality, but she just let it go and believed in her fantasy that it was real and as delicious as she imagined. That's how I interpreted the scene anyway, but it's more Bojack's gesture that I found moving.
@@swifty1147 it was still heartwarming to see Bojack break the cycle of abuse in his family. I'm definitely not saying you're wrong. I think there are so many ways to interpret this show and it's characters.
Just like Diane, I don't know exactly what is wrong, I just feel that I will never be happy. What has happened to me, to the promises of youth? I don't want to die, but I dread to face the fact I'm not living either. I want to cry for no reason, yet I can't bring myself to do it. I'm dry inside, desensitized, withered.
Maybe tell a doctor about your depression so you can get medical help. Plus, writing your thoughts in a diary may help.
that's depression for ya bud
Sounds like Major Depressive Disorder. I have it. You can have a happy life with people who love and cherish you. But you can feel that it's hollow and fake. That they don't actually like you. That at anytime they'll turn against you. That you don't deserve happiness or love. You just feel empty and false yourself, because in reality your the one who doesn't love you. Your the one who doesn't understand why you deserve happiness.
Diego Mattos Yeah, man. This is what I say to everyone. Everyone is susceptible to depression. Nobody is safe from it. If you fall into it DEEPLY, there is *NO* coming back. Ever.
@@KaneK1234 wtf dude? People do come back from deep depression. Its possible. Bojack said life is a series of closing doors. Which is true. Time's arrow always move forward and the doors that were open will close. To not feel like life is slipping way, you have to make new doors to open. New experiences, new skills to learn. Anything. Take up guitar, or skiing. Seriously. A sense of growth is what makes people happy according to some psychologists. There is only growth or depression, not some steady thing called happiness. Just my opinion. Working on dealing with the closed doors in my life myself. And I have to make new ones, but I'm caught looking longingly at the ones that are closed. Look at Jim Carey's stuff on depression and joy its pretty inspiring.
I disagree. I don't think the show asks us to forgive Bojack or Bojack's mother because of their past. They show their past so we understand, not so we forgive or show compassion. Bojack never forgives his mother, until she finally behaves like a kind person. The show tells Bojack's past is not a good reason for Bojack should be an asshole, and other people are not responsible for Bojack being an asshole, Bojack is the only one responsible, because everyone is responsible for their own actions, whatever bad their past was.
You are all the things that are wrong with you
spence Spicoli No, the narrator says Bojack should be the one to reach her mother and forgive her. The mother should be the one to be a good parent, just like Bojack must be a good father/brother/person, and nobody should forgive Bojack because of his past.
that's exactly it.
Understanding doesn't mean ignoring and making blameless
@@kodokudeusotsuki well I get what you are saying but not forgiving his mother is the reason why he never understood her and they could never establish a healthy relationship (at least bojacks part of the reason). So I agree that the show emphasizes that everyone is responsible for their own actions but at the same time you shouldnt hold others to an impossible standard and rub it in their face when they cant reach your expectations (like diane does with bojack in the philbert premiere for example) since that doesnt help anyone
Hurt people hurt people.
Is this quote from Bojack??
Blackwolf MGTOW Specifically a daughter? Or a child in general?
Okay, okay, I will!
@Blackwolf MGTOW Why? Because she would be female and that would be a misogynist's worst nightmare? You do realize the show makes fun of people like you, right?
FeministKJ Why are you attacking them, do you know the true reason why they’d be afraid to have children
Dianne: we’re responsible for our own happiness va know
Bojack: good lord that’s depressing
Dianne: no it’s not
Bojack:I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast.
Same bojack same
I love this scene because it's so depressingly relatable 😅🤣
When she hesitates before saying the ice cream is delicious, it breaks my heart a bit. She has no clue what it tastes like.
*It really hurt seeing Bo Jack missing an opportunity to connect with his mom because I lost mine before I got a chance to know her as an adult,* it's quite amazing how many lessons animation can teach us
Such a powerful genre
@@brumbrum987654321 animation is more universal than live action
I lost my mother early in 2018. Sadly, I found myself relating heavily during Bojack's long funeral speech. Very close parallels. Humans rarely appreciate what they have until it is gone.
@@genghiscalm4879 I'm sorry
However, animation can be a double edged sword as there are still a preponderance of people that still see animation as "Kids Stuff" and "Kids Stuff" only. Luckily these beliefs are shared by those who grew up imprinted on this notion. While it's only a matter of time that this attitude and these individuals will fade away (most likely not within my lifetime), these individuals are still a majority for the time being.
“It’s right there in the name-relative.” I had to pause there just to say “DAAAAAMN”.
Time...is relative
Beauty...is relative
Family is rElAtIvEs
@@linnycrocus6023 Can someone explain that? I don't really get it.
For abuse victims this is incredibly dangerous advice. If you've been abused and suffer from PTSD, or any chronic guilt, you are under zero obligation to go out of your way to reconcile with your abusers. Doing this could be potentially dangerous for your own mental health. Please, while well meaning, there needs to be a warning of some kind in the captions. This is potentially harmful advice for some people.
Agreed. Aside not all abusers change their patterns or behaviors.
My exact thoughts. And this is EXACTLY what family will tell you about your abuser(s) too. Made me sick.
Tell me you haven't watched the show or have bad media comprehension without telling me you haven't watched the show and have bad media comprehension
bojack horseman + screenprism = impromptu therapy session
Right? I'm dealing with some family shit and now I'm wondering what's the actual problem we have to address to work towards something better.
Amazing show and an amazing job by this channel breaking it all down.
if you're the only one chasing a fix it means they're the problem @@Richard-Espanol
I forgot how depressing bojack is. Fun times
BoJack is the perfect show for a depressed generation.....
I don't think it is about generation. My grandfather also had long periods of depression
@@desserted9429 it's not meant in like that this is the only genereation with depression. But depression seems kinda like something everyone has these days because now since we have a phone we can see the succes of other people and school keeps pushing students more into a direction that they dont wanna go. And everyone wants a child even though they are not ready yet because to a lot of woman they think if they don't get a child before turning 30 it's going to be to late.
So idk the expectations kinda got worse because it is one thing if your parents are disapointed but now even strangers will judge you for you degree or job or idk
No one ever gets Diane. She, like Bojack, is self centered. The whole point of her friend that she has lunch with is to portray this. The way she will be happy, is when she stops caring how others see her on the inside, and focuses on helping others. The only time we see her happy is when she is actually helping kids in Cordovia, and feels unhappy because of the self centered attitude of St Claire, and she sees herself. Or she is happy when she is helping Bojack and Todd with their feelings. Duh!
Hey, princess Caroline lives her life helping others... She's miserable too......
Her family treated her like trash. Her self esteem is terrible because of that. Her family was a failure and now she fears she will be like them! And that they made her feel like she is worthless! A total failure! Because she did not find someone for the prom and so they gave hera hobo to make her like she is unworthy and low as dirt, to make fun of her. To feel useless and lazy even though she is not. If you have been abused in your family, you will feel like you do not have a purpose and down the line you will feel unhappy. She suffered from emotional abuse from them like Bojack. You do not know what you want due to cost and benefits and pros and cons. After she knew that from being married to Mr. Peanutbutter, that is how she reached her despair. Her life is not perfect. She is not perfect. No one is except God. That is why she is not happy. Those sacrafices. She has to take depression pills. She just feels...numb. indifferent. Unhappy. Being smart kills you literally. I am a Diane. I understand her perfectly. Her brain was damaged from abuse. Depression destroys your brain. It was not her fault. I have to defend her.I think she took medication but she took the wrong ones. She just needs better medication that fits her genetics.
Sorry I forgot something. I think she will be better off with bojack only if they want to change together in order for them both to heal. And they need to take better medication. She needs someone to understand her and to listen to her. Empathy helps...but at what extent is the question? Sometimes empathy is a dangerous thing.
Nope, she wasn't happy helping people in Cordovia. She thought that's what she wanted to do, because it made her different and "superior" as opposed to all those "shallow hollywoo" people, but then she realized that job was just as fake so she drop it.
@@mino-taur maybe because helping others while fulfilling them, does not necessarily fulfill you. As you listen and help deal with their demons you get corrupted by those demons. You get scarred just as much as those you help. That's why they tell you to never get too attached. Because it takes a special person, to deal with the issues of other and not develop issues of your own. Well, even more issues. Diane and Princess Carolyne, are perfect example of people who either help people with their hollowness while being hollow themselves, or people who have to come to terms with their own issues when they do so.
I didn't like this analysis. Don't get me wrong it's well thought out but it misses some vital details. For one thing we see Bojack trying to connect with his mother in flashbacks (going to lunch, inviting her to the taping of his show, etc) and all he gets is venom, saying he doesn't try to know her as a person rings false because she didn't want him to know her. The only time we see her acknowledge her faults is after Bojack's book is published and by that point Bojack's in his fifties, it's too little too late. I think the more important lesson to learn from their relationship is that you shouldn't cling to toxicity.
But sometimes you just have to be the bigger person
As corny as it sounds
The thing is, I've tried to connect with my abusive mother. She's in denial about what she did to me, and questions about her past lead to her screaming that it's none of my business. Everything I know about her I had to pick up through snippets of rants and conversations over the years and stories from my aunt. Poor Bojack doesn't seem to have even the Uncle he mentioned. I've always been curious to see how young Bojack interacted with his grandparents tho. Did he used to sit next to Honey because she was at least the only adult who didn't yell at or criticize him? Was Joseph at least happy to have a grandson? Like if you want to see that too.
But in Season 4, with Beatrice being seriously demented, that old personality has been muted. She was a terror but now she's as helpless as a child and can't hurt him anymore. The dynamics have changed, and Bojack continuing to react to the memory of her as the abuser has nothing to do with preserving his mental health ("cut out toxic people" is helpful advice if said people are still being toxic)
Bojack's greatest sadness is that people pretend he's not trying.
I think it goes along the premise that one has to stop blaming others and take any possibility to turn ones life around
Waiting for his mother to approach him will take too long since she’s stuck in her own traumas but directly asking her will eventually set him free
Quit horsing around.
How?
You are everywhere!
I think he's Justin Y's clone.
dude u gotta stop riding the yt algorithm wave
Swear to god I've seen you EVERYWHERE
500th like
What Cuddly Whiskers said sums up this entire video pretty well, he says that in order to be happy you have to realise how truly miserable you are and that it doesn't have to be that way, then you can begin to be happy.
i thought this was going to be about how bojack *is* my source of unhappiness, cause whenever i watch it i get sad.
This is a very interesting show, and your video is something I scarily resonate with. Even scarier was that before I opened up my laptop and found this in my subs box I was thinking about my own father.
I never knew him. I mean I knew of him, but never met him in real life. He was a real bad man, tried to kill my mom twice: first time she escaped with my sister and I (I was a new born) and second time he tracked her down. Mom never hid the truth of him, what he did, or her past from us even as little kids. He was a drunk, a drug addict, and a man who was only out for his own self interest. When my mother filed a restraining order he didn't even try to fight for us.
I was about nine when I decided to forgive him for what he did. What was the point of hating a man who I never met? I prayed for him all the time, asking God to show him the way and to heal any wounds he had. I wanted him to change his life around not for me, but for himself and everyone around him.
As I got older I asked questions, and mom answered them honestly. His dad, my grandfather, died when my father was three. He was drunk when he fell through a glass ceiling and bled to death. His mother, my grandmother, was a Sioux native who was taken from her reservation by my grandfather and became pill popper/alcohol abuser. His older brother was a man who was in and out of prison for violent crimes, and his sister was an IV drug user. It wasn't until I was in my early twenties that I truly learned to pity him, as he was set up for failure from birth.
He passed away in 2011. I found his obituary a month after he passed. He was 55 and was in the hospital for a month with RV failure, mitral stenosis, CHF, and ultimately died of respiratory failure. All of it brought on by year and years of severe alcohol and drug abuse and he died alone in a hospital, gasping for breath. Don't get me wrong, everyone makes their own decisions in life as to how they react to situations when they're adults, but we as parents set up our children with life lessons on how to react. His parents set him up for failure and he knew no other way to break out of that cycle.
However my mother did. She saw the writing on the wall and made her escape when she could. She raised us with the ability to handle stress without turning to destructive habits, how to deal with difficult people, and how to let things roll off your shoulders. From an early age I decided to let my anger go and direct what energy my birth father let out into something good. I'm now raising my own son with a man who is the opposite of what my father was, and I am happy knowing that my son will never feel the ripple of what my grandfather did to my father, or what my father would have done to us.
You are an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your story :)
You are blessed
Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you are happy.
Wow. You're a wonderful example of how extreme challenges and setbacks in our lives can become the catalyst for real growth and empathy.....especially if we have someone close to us to assist that journey. Your mom ended up in a horrible relationship with your father but turned that into something good by protecting and raising you with love. Thanks for sharing your hard earned wisdom with us.
I may not know you, but I am proud of you!
Please do about dianne and mr peanutbutter relationship
I ask the same. Pleasee
Thats a good one!
_What is this a crossover episode?_
*~ Mr. Peanutbutters*
Mr. Friendship no it’s Hank Hippopotamus
It’s been a depressing week quite honestly. This is one step closer to understanding why. Thank you.
I love your bojack episodes!! Can’t wait til season 5
Only 6 days from now. I'm so excited.
Ninja07Keaton wait really
@@DuskPShermanWallaby123 Yes, September 14.
It's out now
@@magicmildred9119 can't wait until season 6
I can't tell you how many times I've thought or said "I should be happy! Why am I not happy? Am I broken?" Nice to hear the same come from Diane, although I can't offer any advice about it.
There's some good channels with video essays in youtube, but ScreenPrism nail it in EVERY VIDEO. Salute from a Brazilian Fan
Not only that, but they put out quality content more frequently than a lot of other channels that do video essays on similar topics
Os vídeos de nerdwriter1 são muito bons também! Vale a pena dar uma olhada :)
Damn... now I need to rewatch Bojack Horseman for the 6th time
Will Herondale do it. The 5th season is just around the corner
Only 6th?
It's a great show.
But there are so many great shows out there that provide new ideas and perspectives; just take a look at ScreenPrism's other reviews.
Nothing against watching a show multiple times to find something you previously missed.
But is there really so much to gain from a seventh viewing?
Watching the same thing dozens of times can be comfortable since you already grew fond if it, but seems more in a way like clinging to something for comfort the same way Bojack clings to his past, missing opportunities of so much things that could be explored instead.
@@LinkEX Ist there a series you would recommend instead?
@@sadfreak761 Off the top of my head, here are my four top picks:
*Breaking Bad.* Another series I consider close to perfect.
(Even if you're not usually into life action or non-fantasy series, odds are BrBa will make you discover an appreciation for this genre. At least it did for me. As the name implies, the MC has a reverse character development compared to Bojack, which can be even more gut-wrenching at times. Nonetheless, )
*Monster (2004).* Equally great storytelling with believable characters that deals with the question of nature vs nurture. More mystery and less party than Bojack.
(Although there have been multiple plans for a life-action adaptation, the 2017 series on Amazon Prime is something else. Though judging by the reviews it looks like a promising murder thriller as well, haha.
*Futurama.* Looking for something more light-hearted? If you like Bojack's character-driven yet somewhat episodic storytelling, as well as it's way of delivering serious topics in humorous or absurd situations, here's another candidate with smart writing. Despite the premise of taking place in the far future, it manages to illustrate timeless struggles and cultural dynamics that range from everyday life to existential philosophy. (The writers have actual math and physics PhDs, so the scientific references are generally smart and far more than mere technobabble.)
*Can't Hurt Me.* Lastly, if you're looking for a different medium and genre entirely, there's plenty of amazing audiobooks that you can listen to while doing chores.
I'm currently listening to Can't Hurt Me by David Goggins.
This guy had a pretty rough childhood as well. So if you're looking for a real-world counter-example to our fictional horse with a shitty upbringing, this guy is as inspiring as it gets.
(As with every autobiography, it is probably 'embellished' to some minor extent. But I'd consider that artistic liberty to amp up the delivery.
Last but not least, that guy is a Navy Seal, ultramarathon runner, and word-record holder. So as opposed to many motivational coaches, this guy definitely puts his money where his mouth is.)
Do you have a series you could recommend in that same vein?
A virtue is not gained easily nor a sin easily stopped. Becoming a good person doesn’t mean it’ll be easy but it’s rewarding to see the effects it has on the people around you :)
This show is deep, insanely entertaining, and hard hitting. I love it for its raw reality and extremely riveting story of how bojacks life slowly goes to shit as he realises why it's going to shit. I'm excited for the new season, but I'm extremely sad that it will probably be the end of the show.
4:23 Beatrice did the same thing, she's never had ice cream and went along with it anyway.
Wow i thought I couldn't fell more depressed but It's 3:35 pm and here I am crying over the fact I am a fucking Diane.
Hey now. She's inspirational in the fact that she's the only one who does the work to better herself and improve her situation. She sees the hypocrisy in society, and eventually even in herself. She sees a therapist who helps her. She stays a good friend to an otherwise horrible person and helps him rehabilitate himself. Her life goes on even after heartbreak. See the good in yourself.
This is so true. Right Sarah Lynn? Sarah Lynn?..... Sarah Lynn?.....
R4GING RAYMOND PRODUCTIONS That’s too much, man!
You're a monster 😢
BACK IN THE 90’S I WAS IN A FAMOUS TV SHOWWWWWW
Bojack: (While watching Horsing around) Todd... TODD... TODDDD!
Todd: (from far away) Yeah?
Bojack: Didn't Sarah lynn grew right before our eyes??!
Todd: yea...
For a lot of people life is just one long, hard kick in the urethra. _Sometimes_ when you get home from a long day of getting kicked in the urethra you just want to watch a show about good, likable people who love each other. Where, y'know, no matter what happens at the end of thirty minutes *everything's gonna turn out okay,* because in real life -- did I already say the thing about the urethra?
I was well aware of everything my parents went through as a kid. And they were aware of what their parents went through, but it didn't make them less abusive. or justify their abuse. They chose not to go to therapy.
In fact, I probably gave her more compassion than she ever gave me. We have to be careful not to have more empathy for abusers than the abused.
I'm kind of tired of people telling me that I have to forgive my abuser because I don't. I don't have to do the emotional labour of that relationship.
I wasn’t as abused as bojack or beatrice but I agree. Some of my problems stems from my parents treatment towards me as a kid and its really hard to excuse everything they did just cause they suffered through the same thing and so did their parents.
They could’ve reflected on themselves and chose to be a better parents but.. they didn’t. I also think that even if we break the generational curse of this cycle of abuse, our kids will suffer through something terrible too. Or maybe I’m just thinking too much about it just cause I also have childhood trauma from school that haunts me to this day.
Exactly. You don't have to forgive people who mistreated you. If they screwed you over, it's on them to fix it, not on you to forgive them for it. If they feel guilty but make no actual effort to be better then you do not have to forgive them. Did the person who made this video NOT see Bojack's attempts with Herb Kazzaz? An apology is meaningless if it's too little too late and with no actions behind it.
At some point the words "I'm sorry" become meaningless because it's clear the person is just going to keep doing as they've always done. That's Bojack's main problem. He may feel sorry. He may apologize. But then he'll fall right back into the same old pattern of behavior and ruin someone else's life irrevocably.
In the end the only way to escape that cycle is to cut that toxic person out of your life and work on yourself. That's what everyone around Bojack has done, and the thing Bojack never fully managed.
This is one of the most beautiful, profound shows I've ever seen 💖
More proof that this is one of the greatest shows ever. We live in an age where talking animal drawings teach us to examine our humanity in a significant and powerful way. Great vid.
Never thought a show with anthropomorphic creatures would be so relatable.
underrated show, just like this channel. they need more recognition. xoxo
that scene with beatrice's mother at 2:20 always gives me chills
Okay. I've NEVER seen or cared to see Bojack Horseman. I just clicked on this video out of curiosity. I don't know if it's your voice or the writing, but you guys made me cry. 😢😭 I can't help relating to BH. No, I never had abusive parents (well maybe a little verbal abuse from my mom), and I've never done drugs or drink heavily, but I do make mistakes & have embarassing moments that have haunted me since I was a child. 😔 So sometimes I do see myself as stupid & worthless, and it doesn't help that I surround myself with friends who constantly insult my intelligence. I'm not happy. Thank you, ScreenPrism. I may give this show a shot sometime.
Keep the tissues close.
I am sorry to hear that you have these thoughts and worries. Can you really call these people your friends if the relationship is that unhealthy for you and not helping your growth?
Watch it and come back and tell us what you think and if you want to connect and talk to someone hmu
Love yourself first to give love to others. Only when you are your own person who can survive the natural hurt in life can you be happy with anyone
If your friends don't appreciate you, they are not your friends. Trade them in on someone decent or, at the very least, put them in their place. BTW. At first I figured Bojack would be another Simpsons or Family Guy. Then I actually watched and realized it's not. Far from it. Despite the medium, it is much more cerebral and nuanced. The emphasis is on character.
Your analysis on Gryffindor and Slytherin were really good. I'm so excited for Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw.
In Crimes of Grindelwald we actually might get a close look at their common rooms. So just keep up that great work.
"Season 5 might finally give us what we want, seeing characters learn" NOPE
Well for some characters
I knew Diane was my spirit...animation....person. Literally just today I was bawling and lamenting about how I don’t have extravagant wants or desires but I’m not content with life either. It’s a terrible place to be in.
You actually make me change my mind about season 4. Bravo.
Panasit why didnt you like it?
+Panasit ...whaaat dude season 4 was one of the very best.
Jose Vargas It’s to date my favorite Bojack horseman’s season
The only time I started healing was when I walked with my dad who beat me silly , was a neglecting workhalic and manipulating threatening to leave my family was when he told me... He never had a childhood , never had a father who paid to send him to school he had to work his ass off just to study and other ways to get to where we were...... And it makes him jealous seeing how easy I have it, having toys and being so care - free..... That night I understood, he really was a wounded child..... His pain was my pain.... it still doesn't excuse his abuses, but he was HUMAN
This is great advice for I hope a majority of cases in relationships, but I'd also like to add, some people can not see their own flaws. Even if Bojack could know what his mother went through and understand, if she isn't willing to see what he can see in his own life, that he was raised by abusive people with their own baggage, then that's a toxic person who isn't your responsibility.
Some people are Frodo, others are Gollum and it's very important to see which one the person is before you waste time trying to repair something that will always just fall apart and chip away at you.
My mother has NPD. She's extremely damaged as a person, and she can not see that she has faults. Everyone else is the problem, not her. I know this is because of her less than stellar, but socially accepted type of upbringing (abuse can be subtle, it can be the little jabs and derisive moments that make a shit person, because it's light enough to not be obvious later in life just how damaging it was. Many heavily abused people get out, because at some point they see others with healthier relationships and question their own. Subtle abuse that chips away becomes normalized easier and therefore is harder to see, both in and outside of the situation.) I have to cut her out of my life. I tried to have rules for treating me as person, things she does that aren't okay, but she can't keep boundaries, she can't understand and me asking her to look at herself and what she's done is like asking someone with out legs to walk. She doesn't have this capacity and it's not fair for me or her to continue trying to ask for something she can't give, love, acceptance and forgiveness. She also has nothing to offer but drama and martyrdom. it's a sad creepy existence that isn't my responsibility to deal with. She will likely die alone and bitter and there isn't a damn thing I can do about that. I tried, I wasted 23 years trying.
I feel for her, I empathize, but it's one sided. I see, while she is blind and always was and she's proud of her blindness. She's a Gollum who sometimes wears mask of Smeagol, but Smeagol is dead, because for her, her Smeagol never even existed. There is no secret good person underneath such damage, because that person never got to develop. A person lacking person hood is a husk with the face of a normal person. It's important to see the rare cases where there is no one better underneath, there is no one to save, it's just damage, anger, fear, denial and abuse. Some personality disorders effectively cause this, and many are entirely untreatable, To date, there is no person who had diagnosed NPD and ever got cured, or even really all that much better. It's an irreversibly damaged person. And it's not anyones responsibility to futiley try to fix something that actively tries to break itself.
there's a huge problem in saying that dian's and mr peanutbutter's relationship seemed to be the answer to her woes in the fact that we've never seen her not dating/married to him(excluding flashbacks to before the show started n she's always shown as happy or at least putting on a smile in those) so all the woes we've ever seen we're very much alive in the relationship and it was almost never him fixing the problem even when he knows he has or is actively messing up he's never in charge of the clean up honestly i do not understand how anyone could watch the show n think she should stay
5:10 just noticed the “cow pie” in the bottom left corner. So many great visual gags in this show that are impossible to all catch in one viewing.
“Maybe after season five, we’ll see these characters learn finally.” HAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh boy, you were both more right and more wrong than you realized
The series is highly insightful, I got hook since the first time. These videos essays from ScreenPrism ARE AMAZING AND INSGIHTFULL AS WELL, keep the good work guys, meant a lot to me seen this kind of content here
Understanding is different to excusing someone, Beatrice's childhood does not excuse how she treated bojack and bojacks childhood does not excuse how he acts that's on him and if he wants to be a good person it's his responsibility not anyone else's, we can't just accept people being horrible because they were abused
I love the videos you guys do on animated series! Do y'all think you can do something on Avatar the last airbender?
Great analysis; I hadn't thought of it in terms of addressing the past to make forward. It makes sense, though, given the theme of history repeating in this season. I think Hollyhock has a more important role than you acknowledge, though. I think the reason Bojack is FINALLY able to make some progress with her, is that he sees a lot of himself in her. He doesn't want her to make the same mistakes he's made, and... It's less about redeeming himself for his own sake, and more about helping someone he cares about. He's not so hung up on what success or failure says about his character. Anyway, thanks for getting me hyped for season 5! Well, more hyped.
"CAN WE PLEASE GET SOME ALCOHOL INTO MY MOUTH"
Bojack Horseman and ScreenPrism in the same place?
What is this, a crossover episode?!
"BoJack Horseman" helped me address my own depression and unhealthy relationship practices. Fantastic video putting one of the show's central themes into words!
@Blackwolf MGTOW And how many women are messed up because of men and all the problems they create? You do realize that it was misogyny, especially that in the father, that ruined Beatrice and then her son and family's life? The crux of the show is the fact that holds true for all time: Men are a problem. And men ruin societies.
I’m not kidding when I say this video made me cry from realization
You sound like Diane Nguyen....
Stop the car! Is that the freaking Horse from Horsing Around ????
Back in the 90s
I was a part of a famous tv show
BOJACK HORSEMAN, bojackthehorseman, DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOOOOOW--- ahhhhrrgh
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Bojack is a truly EXCEPTIONAL show... and this video is, likewise, fantastic. Thank you for making it.
It's sad that of all the fictional characters in the world, Bojack is the one I identify with the most.
The best thing about bojack is that no matter who you are what you are you can find something to relate too him
Bojack horseman reflects so much of my relationship with my father. As well as the less than stellar things of done, and the urges I have.
“Pull over and park the car. Is that the friggin’ horse from Horsing Around?”
This show made me feel better about life than years of visiting my therapist ever did. It's like while I was watching this show my somewhat lingering depression was gone because I can relate to how much everyone struggles with their mental issues. Todd is probably the most relatable character for me. I constantly distract myself with media to hide how much of a worthless burden I really am in general. Just like how he constantly gets into shenanigans to hide how much of a slacker he is.
The thing is, I've tried to connect with my abusive mother. She's in denial about what she did to me, and questions about her past lead to her screaming that it's none of my business. Everything I know about her I had to pick up through snippets of rants and conversations over the years and stories from my aunt.
Poor Bojack doesn't seem to have even the Uncle he mentioned.
I've always been curious to see how young Bojack interacted with his grandparents tho. Did he used to sit next to Honey because she was at least the only adult who didn't yell at or criticize him?
Was Joseph at least happy to have a grandson?
Like if you want to see that too.
The way i felt about reading about your mother denying her abuse in your later years as an adult.. it felt like i was reading a chapter out of a book that depicts my future. It is already happening. This show is so amazing at not just creating funny raw content, it depicts mental health so accurately, it hurts even with my detached emotions. It brings real life everyday people with different backrounds together with impecable story telling and writing, i could just see myself in so many characters. This and Rick & Morty have to be my favorite adult themed post modern cartoons, their depth and originality is what intrigued me, the characters and emotional storylines is what entertains me and keeps me hostage. Tv shows and movies as brilliant as this show always serve as reminders as why i love movies ect and writing so much.
Your mom was abusive too?
I have asked my mom about her childhood. She says she had a good relationship with her mother and grandparents. She and her siblings grew up without a dad and times were rough in her old country back in the 80s. Not sure how she learned to be an effective manipulator.
I thought I was prepared for this video but I started crying and I couldn't stop it
Thanks screenprism. Please do more video like this. *Really inspiring*. It made me realize my mistakes.
"Season 5 may give us what we really want: to see these characters learn for themselves"
Oh boy I hate to break it to you
Thanks Diane for narrating this!
You said,You wanna get better but you don't know how.
*_This is why I watch Bojack Horseman, there's so much relatable stuff and It can teach you stuff in a messed up way._*
god i wish i was able to do shit like that however my mom is a lot like Beatrice in so many ways.
she did so many drugs that ruined her mind by the time she hit her 40s so she can’t even remember something we told her a second ago, let alone remember her past.
so even if i wanted answers i could never get them from her,
honestly this show has helped me open up in my thoughts about a lot of things and i relate to bojack in a lot of ways, aside from the fact that he drinks and i don’t even touch the stuff.
honestly this show definitely makes you think in a lot of ways, and i can’t wait to see more from it, something that helps bojack become happier somehow maybe even.
either way i’m gonna continue watching regardless.
I reckon it's weird with it's anthropomorphic animals but I find it relateable cos I haven't always or often coped nor dealt well with my depression
best show ever changed me literally
Crying all over again because I forgot how emotional that season made me
I still wouldn't sympathize with Beatrice for the way she treated Bojack
@Blackwolf MGTOW they both understand each other
...and then season five came along to blow our hopes to pieces
Seriously though, great video. Really loved the analysis.
"why I have half a mind" fucks me up everytime
I've tried that tactic of pretending to be happy but it doesn't work
Although I perfecly know that part of BoJack’s unhappiness is due to the way Beatrice raised him, I cannot help feeling bad for Beatrice due to her childhood trauma. After her big brother died in WWII, it’s shown how her mother (BoJack’s grandmother) cared so much for Beatrice’s brother till the point she started to behave strangely, ending up with that “lobotomy” (or at least that’s what I remember it being) operation. Afterwards, Beatrice’s mom tells her not to love nor care for nobody the way she loved Beatrice’s brother never. That’s why I emphatize so much with Beatrice.
My favorite show on my favorite visual media analysis channel. I am a happy person today.
I love this show so much a have seen it about 4 times by now.
Okay so. On Bojack's relationship with his mother. I find it incredibly damaging to say that we should try to see things from our abuser's side (like his mother, for example). SHE ABUSED HIM! What miscommunication is there? What does understanding matter when he was brutally psychologically abused and neglected as a child? As someone who studied psychology to try to understand her abuser, I think this is such horrible horrible segment. I understood, eventually, why I was abused and where my abuser came from. Did it matter? Absolutely not. I'll be damaged for the rest of my life, they ruined me and I'll be forever trying to keep the pieces together. Bojack, with regards to his mother, was perhaps a little too generous but I know where he comes from at least. Loving her, wanting her approval when everything she ever was to him was a trainwreck. But her having been abused herself doesn't excuse being a monster. Her shitty life isn't an excuse to treat the only thing she really has like absolute garbage. In real life, past abuse doesn't excuse the abuser. That holds true here. "Understanding" your abuser doesn't do anything, doesn't change it. And they don't deserve for you to try.
Baby bojack is adorable
The comment Bojack made about his younger sister really made me teared up.
BoJack Horseman and screenprism?
What is this, a crossover episode?
watching your videos on psychological topics feel therapeutic
8:35 reveals the name of her adopted daughter. Wow it was in plain sight
I commend whoever put this piece together for what seems like a lot of work. Good for you for taking the time to sort out your thoughts. My impression of the central idea of this video is that it missed the point of the point of BoJack Horseman, but in a really thoughtful, caring way.
My reading is BoJack Horseman describes some hard truths that may not be so popular in therapeutic circles. This video's narrator seems to hold the relatively optimistic truth of there being healthy responses to family trauma that lead to enhanced feelings of happiness; she mentions taking the opportunity to talk to elders in your family to get a sense of them as whole people rather than as perpetrator's of one's own soul damage.
I find it interesting that the therapists we see in Season 5 possess many suspect qualities. Diane's therapist of many years both dumps her for BoJack (uncool) and routinely violates her clients' confidentiality.
I'm not sure I see the point of looking for messages of hope from BoJack Horseman. That seems a little too optimistic, insufficiently paradoxical, to resonate with the true spirit of the show as I see it. Nonetheless, I genuinely applaud your effort to construct an argument that you present on youtube.
This channel is so good and educational. Lots of thanks and love💖🌹