I don’t think conservative artists are necessarily being disingenuous. They may just not be interested in expressing political messages. Also they may be employing more subversive methods which is certainly a technique I’ve seen liberal artist use over and over again. Btw I’m a Christian Conservative artist. Also we can and I am very much inspired by all kinds of artists even though I may at times not agree with there message. I’m glad to see you did research and believe in looking at both sides of an issue even you don’t agree. As much as left leaning people talk about being open minded It doesn’t seem they are usually willing to go that far.
I feel like the idea of a "real job" is also at play, and this is generally a sentiment I see from conservative people. Art is viewed as this thing that doesn't help anyone because its not contributing to society directly, therefore it is not a real job like construction work, office work or even just retail.
@@avivastudios2311 In the same way that you can't build a worthwhile house "on the side", you can't expect to do art without any commitment and have the final product be more than frivolous. Art takes study and dedication, like any other discipline.
@@avivastudios2311 Not only does art help people, it *is* the point of life. Art is what you do all that work for. To listen to a nice record, to watch a TV show or read a book, to discuss it with your friends and family. That's what it's all about.
I consider myself a Centrist leaning Right - Liberal mind but a Conservative Heart. I am Pro-Life, Pro-Guns, Pro-Jesus, and Pro-USA but not for Death Penalty, not for banning Birth Control, and most definitely not for banning Books. I am an immigrant, so I am pro-immigration but in a legal way. I used to not favor paying taxes; however, Bill Mars changed my opinion on that. I am also against war unless someone attacks us on our soil. I am quite vocal about my views so not "disingenuous". I agree with you on that CONSERVATIVES don't support "Culture". It is truly a shame. Also, it saddens me that instead of STEAM, our kids are encouraged STEM - thus totally ignoring ART. Having said that, I am grateful to the liberals who do entertain and publish what I create in their art and literature journals even when they don't agree with what I have to say. As for no one wants to buy Conservative Art - You are welcome to go on my website and see in the Gallery Section "Sold" paintings. There is definitely a market for what I do but at a point where I don't want to keep selling them for less than what they are worth. At this point, I am more interested in exploring and communicating ideas than trying to make a sale. I do have faith that the pendulum is shifting, and the market will see more Conservative Art in the future. People still like to see art that is not just meaningful, but at times witty, and beautiful. Just like music. Without beauty, life becomes quite unbearable for people like me.
you're conflating 'a conservative that makes art' with 'conservative art.' i checked out your content and, besides the straw man 'pro-choice is pro-death' piece, all i saw was generic (and honestly quite mediocre) art that sophomore undergrad students might get a passing grade for. what qualities of your art do you feel signal traditional conservative political values?
I think you're partially right, but with a large number of caveats.... Like, re: conservative artists not being honest with their art: you're right that art reflects what's inside, *except* that conservative people are about more than politics 😅 I'm an artist and I'm conservative, and my art is all about nature. You wouldn't get that I'm conservative from the art itself, but it's not cos I'm dishonest, it's cos my art is about the beauty of nature - something a lot of people associate with leftism, although that's not correct. My art is definitely informed by my values, but the value is appreciation for God's creation and for the beauty of life. It is true that a lot of conservatives are covert - the blacklisting is a very real thing and you should give a lot more weight to that in your assessment; it's also a little uncool to act like they're being dishonest but not acknowledging the huge prejudice they face if they *are* honest about it (at which point they often virtually disappear as they lose all their professional connections, and then people go "where are they all?" lol). Re: being too on-the-nose, I have seen some art like that for sure - but lots of left-wing artists are just as blunt in their art, but they get celebrated for it 😅And certainly not everyone agrees with them, but they have whole institutions on their side so it gets a pass anyway. Re: how one does art, what boundaries are you pushing? Why couldn't an artist push an artistic boundary rather than a moral one? Why *must* boundary-pushing and change for its own sake be part of "good" art? Why is wanting to honour the past considered "not good art" while virtually anything new is celebrated simply for being new? I think there's a lot of subjectivity in that assessment. I mean shoot, man, you're painting a picture of a skull dude in a robe - something that's been done about a billion times - while you criticize Arthur Kwon Lee for not being original 😅 I do agree that nobody wants to fund conservative art, though - your points about how leftist institutions won't fund/display stuff they disagree with, or even stuff by people they disagree with even if the message of the art is fine... while conservatives themselves often prefer to donate to political causes (or in the cases of social conservatives, social causes like the homeless or pro-life groups) that they see as more important/pressing. That's probably true, in my experience. But just cos you don't *see* all these artists out there doesn't mean they don't exist or that they inherently suck. I'll add that out of the professional sphere, a lot of everyday conservatives dislike the use of social media, so you're a lot less likely to see non-professional artists putting their stuff out there, too.
I'm mostly familiar with online illustrators and artists, so my perspective is rather limited. But on social media at least, currently the most prominent conservative artists on there seem to make hating the people they don't like their main feature in art, or just making people angry. Perhaps though that's just the loudest voices are being pushed by the social media algorithms? I also think making good art requires vulnerability and self-expression, something that a conservative mindset doesn't approve of typically.I think that's why you see more progressive or liberal people in the arts.
I'm not sure how many conservative artists there are either, but at the same time I do think a lot of commercial art (i.e, art where one of if not the primary motive in its creation is money-making) is "conservative?" Conservative in the literal sense of it tries to do as little as it can to reveal values that would offend anyone of any sort of political leaning. Think along the lines of Super Mario Bros. or your average Illumination movie. However, I should say at the same time that this definition of "conservative" doesn't have that much to do with what that word means in the context of the present day / political landscape. I would also say that there are a lot of works that *lean* towards this personal definition of conservative that I've laid out that nonetheless tease values that lean one way or the other from time to time. In fact, I would say there is no art that can truly escape any sort of political reading, just by virtue of that being an inescapable aspect of our world in general. Think about how Animal Crossing abolished gender in New Horizons, or how The Sims leans towards making The (Suburbanite) American Dream your end objective. These probably aren't statements that are radical enough to alienate anyone, but nonetheless they whisper *some* sort of belief to you. They allow you to get away with being ignorant if that's what you please. And that's really the line I would put between my (again, personal) definition of "conservative art" and anything that's more radical one way or the other.
Could it be that conservatives are more interested in art as investments and status-symbols, rather than actually making it? Consider all the highly valuable art, modern or otherwise, that goes straight from the auction houses to the freeport tax havens, not even to be looked at.
Modern conservatives yes, unfortunately. Traditionalists appreciate culture, art, and festivities, while modern conservatives are only focused on the economic viability of those topics.
@@Shmendan2 Yeah, it seems to me that among the left, there's actually *very* little understanding of conservatism. There are more economic conservatives, and there are more social conservatives... socons get demonized but tbh, they're the ones more likely to appreciate art for its own sake, as a valuable cultural thing. There's some overlap but they're kind of two different beasts. Especially so outside the US.
I can name several (mostly not very good) artists with conservative beliefs that I know you're aware of, but that just makes me more curious so I'm looking forward to this one
I think you're confusing politically/socially conservative with artistically conservative. No one who is concerned with politics or social issues cares too much about art. This goes the same with politically/socially concerned progressives. There are plenty of artistically conservative people out there and they are making wildly popular works. From a gaming perspective i would say works such as Dark Souls and Blasphemous are examples that take inspiration from conservative views and artstyles and turn them into something new.
I'm specifically talking about politics in this video. Artists tend not to lean right even if they don't break the mold. I think you might have missed the point of this video. There are very few politically conservative artists. This video goes into why.
@@RevScarecrowArtcade Well - the point is though, that you extrapolate that politically conservative people, would automatically be averse to change or innovation in art. Which is a shallow understanding of how people work imo. Most intelligent people won't be just "conservative". It's not the whole of their being. They will have some opinions that lean conservative, and other opinions that don't. Philosophy do not align 1:1 to modern political issues. If someone take "The whole idea X package" with all it's opinions and they don't question it very much... Well, then it's just not very wise. That person has been deceived most probably.
I certainly agree that separating oneself from the art one practices is very difficult. Every song that I have composed has in it some left leaning, atheist or environmental image or message.
can a conservative define what 'conservative art' is for me so that i don't straw man them? because all i know of 'conservatives' that make art is that it's usually hateful and antagonistic and targeted at those they disagree with in order to 'trigger' them. i'd be happy to learn of what 'actual conservative art' is because i haven't seen it yet.
Art can'be neither conservative nor leftist. The message may be. Imo the best art is so good at mimicking real life and it's complexities that it cannot be classified as left or right. The video is about conservative artists. Good art made by a conservative is similar to good art made by a progressive. They would probably just choose different part of our human emotion range and experiences. Conservatives might for example show idk... Modern struggles of trying to uphold some religious standards in our time where corrupt/evil religious figures are common. if it would be described with care, empathy and nuance, then it could be very good art. The subject would just be something that a progressive person wouldn't usually touch. The absolutely great example is LOTR (Conservative to the bone) vs. DUNE (very atheist take). Both are great art. Both are epic. However they are SO SO DIFFERENT.
@nc956 calling LOTR conservative is hilarious. Overcoming things like xenophobia, corruption, and intentional societal division (all factors prevalent from the right) in order to stop a fascist overlord (also a desire of the right) from taking over the world. This is exactly what I was talking about. LOTR is literally and antiwar fable and someone tries to say it's conservative? Absolutely delusional.
Conservatism means to preseve (conserve) what is already there. From this perspective, it is understandeable that modern Art is not so much a thing to fund for conservative Societies. Then, there is the fact that people become more conservative when they settle down get a family and a stabile life. However, a lot of fulltime artists, especially singer or any kind of performer that are freelancers don't have this stabile life and therefore they don't go down the road to conservatism.
I feel like you've touched on a lot of what conservative art is here, either beating one over the head with the idea or just trying really hard to piss a group of people off. I think it's with saying that a lot of it is also just plan racist or out of touch to the point of being absurdist. While listening to this I younger man I know who is a gay conservative. At one time, he made spoken word poetry that was just kinda nonsensical but would always step into my comments to defend conservatives. Frankly I find the conservative creative scene in general devoid of creativity and honest because I think many of them just do it to generate income now. Pendants, "artists" and other creative types have found they can make a living off making other people angry and now they have to stick with it to pay the bills. I think at one time, in our lifetime, there were genuine conservative artists but I think that was during a time when both liberal and conservative politics were trying to solve actual problems together but argued over how it was to be done rather then rather or not it SHOULD be done.
Thomas Kinkaid was a rather good painter who drew conservative americana. His technique is good. Ben Garrison perhaps? Not a great artist. But a famous one. Finally i know how it feels go be totally happy with a piece the entire time your eorking on it. Its rare. But im glad you shared it.
From my experience in the art community I agree that there aren’t that many conservative artists. Scientifically speaking, I think the reason is that conservatives are overall less creative and more fearful of the change needed to learn and become an artist. This is also one of the main reasons why conservatives utterly fail in nearly every academic field.
@@RevScarecrowArtcade I appreciate you being so open about this and not being hostile at all. I am right leaning and enjoy art myself, and have considered venturing into various potential arts. I understand this is inherently about politics but I think the way you talked about politics and art is so 1 dimensional. I think a conservative is more likely to never express their politics with their interest and so if someone votes right but makes are they may never even have reason to announce their politics for fear or otherwise. I understand art reflects the self but the self doesn't have to include beliefs. I mean Christians are still making art for instance, though I guess it could be argued that IS expressing conservatism. I think it also shows that you are thinking very American/Western focused. Japan is extremely conservative for example and they are all about culture and tradition including art. (Weeb icon using Japan as reference lmao) As well as many other countries I am sure. I get your point on conservatives likely to go more fore investments but that also could show in investing in art, take the music industry for example. I imagine many big names in companies are conservative minded maybe signing left leaning musicians because they want to tap into that market. I just find it very hard to imagine there are barely any conservatives like myself (as I guess I will call myself) that enjoy art and would buy into it or make it. It feels very narrow minded to think otherwise, and slightly a little othering though I am sure you don't mean it that way.
@@AliceinEntropy There are definitely more cases of conservative artists, local galleries in small towns and stuff definitely exist. Lots of just reminiscing and whatnot. Not to mention all the christian art. I do think they just aren't prominent. But as for artists in japan (even in the category of weeb art) there is definitely a lot more diversity on that front than I think most people posting on western message boards realize, most artists just don't get vocal about anything so its probably hard to realize that yeah... the people drawing girls making out or all the gender nonconformity stuff probably on average atleast deviate from the conservative viewpoint of traditionalism a bit.
@@AliceinEntropy I think that there's a mix here of both of you being right, in a way. There are definitely conservative artists making a lot of art, some successful, some not, but there's no* conservative art. They're artists who completely hide their beliefs and thus completely excise their beliefs from their creative styles. They paint barns, scenery, they knit, make murals, etc, but they won't ascribe any meaning to it. Because conservative beliefs can be summarized in four big, broad boxes: tradition, faith, fiscal responsibility, and bigotry. So if you as an artist create art that is evocative of, say, the 1950's, or artists from the 1600's...you won't stand out. You're doing what has already been done, which may look very nice, but won't catch the eye. If you as an artist create art that is religious, again it may look very nice, but it isn't going to make waves. Art for fiscal responsibility would make waves in that I don't think it's been done and I can't fathom how it'd look, but if it's being done it's not making waves yet. So that leaves the bigotry, your Ben Garrisons and the people who lavishly paint Trump, and that's just not going to draw positive attention. *Japan, you could say, is extremely conservative-but also as a weeb you most assuredly know that it is not primarily selling conservative art. You get things like Attack on Titan which is conservative, sure, but there's heaps of decidedly not-conservative anime out there as well. Some cultures do push for tradition more, but again, repetition of the exact same art is not going to be popular-hence, celebrating tradition will always have its limitations unless it brings something new to the table, and by bringing something new it changes the tradition (thus no longer being conservative). So, in short, you're both right and wrong at the same time.
the best art comes from oppressed people what do right leaning people have to make art about they aren't under any oppression and their culture is based on oppressing that doesn't make for very inspired or interesting art.. the art that gets the most funding is NON political art non problematic and commercialized
I don’t think conservative artists are necessarily being disingenuous. They may just not be interested in expressing political messages. Also they may be employing more subversive methods which is certainly a technique I’ve seen liberal artist use over and over again. Btw I’m a Christian Conservative artist. Also we can and I am very much inspired by all kinds of artists even though I may at times not agree with there message. I’m glad to see you did research and believe in looking at both sides of an issue even you don’t agree. As much as left leaning people talk about being open minded It doesn’t seem they are usually willing to go that far.
What do you mean by "subversive methods"?
I feel like the idea of a "real job" is also at play, and this is generally a sentiment I see from conservative people.
Art is viewed as this thing that doesn't help anyone because its not contributing to society directly, therefore it is not a real job like construction work, office work or even just retail.
I'm conservative and I kinda have this view. If you're going to do art it should be something you do on the side.
@@avivastudios2311 In the same way that you can't build a worthwhile house "on the side", you can't expect to do art without any commitment and have the final product be more than frivolous. Art takes study and dedication, like any other discipline.
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Not only does art help people, it *is* the point of life. Art is what you do all that work for. To listen to a nice record, to watch a TV show or read a book, to discuss it with your friends and family. That's what it's all about.
I consider myself a Centrist leaning Right - Liberal mind but a Conservative Heart. I am Pro-Life, Pro-Guns, Pro-Jesus, and Pro-USA but not for Death Penalty, not for banning Birth Control, and most definitely not for banning Books. I am an immigrant, so I am pro-immigration but in a legal way. I used to not favor paying taxes; however, Bill Mars changed my opinion on that. I am also against war unless someone attacks us on our soil. I am quite vocal about my views so not "disingenuous". I agree with you on that CONSERVATIVES don't support "Culture". It is truly a shame. Also, it saddens me that instead of STEAM, our kids are encouraged STEM - thus totally ignoring ART. Having said that, I am grateful to the liberals who do entertain and publish what I create in their art and literature journals even when they don't agree with what I have to say. As for no one wants to buy Conservative Art - You are welcome to go on my website and see in the Gallery Section "Sold" paintings. There is definitely a market for what I do but at a point where I don't want to keep selling them for less than what they are worth. At this point, I am more interested in exploring and communicating ideas than trying to make a sale. I do have faith that the pendulum is shifting, and the market will see more Conservative Art in the future. People still like to see art that is not just meaningful, but at times witty, and beautiful. Just like music. Without beauty, life becomes quite unbearable for people like me.
I appreciate this comment as it gives insight to the discussion thank you.
you're conflating 'a conservative that makes art' with 'conservative art.' i checked out your content and, besides the straw man 'pro-choice is pro-death' piece, all i saw was generic (and honestly quite mediocre) art that sophomore undergrad students might get a passing grade for. what qualities of your art do you feel signal traditional conservative political values?
I think you're partially right, but with a large number of caveats.... Like, re: conservative artists not being honest with their art: you're right that art reflects what's inside, *except* that conservative people are about more than politics 😅 I'm an artist and I'm conservative, and my art is all about nature. You wouldn't get that I'm conservative from the art itself, but it's not cos I'm dishonest, it's cos my art is about the beauty of nature - something a lot of people associate with leftism, although that's not correct. My art is definitely informed by my values, but the value is appreciation for God's creation and for the beauty of life. It is true that a lot of conservatives are covert - the blacklisting is a very real thing and you should give a lot more weight to that in your assessment; it's also a little uncool to act like they're being dishonest but not acknowledging the huge prejudice they face if they *are* honest about it (at which point they often virtually disappear as they lose all their professional connections, and then people go "where are they all?" lol). Re: being too on-the-nose, I have seen some art like that for sure - but lots of left-wing artists are just as blunt in their art, but they get celebrated for it 😅And certainly not everyone agrees with them, but they have whole institutions on their side so it gets a pass anyway. Re: how one does art, what boundaries are you pushing? Why couldn't an artist push an artistic boundary rather than a moral one? Why *must* boundary-pushing and change for its own sake be part of "good" art? Why is wanting to honour the past considered "not good art" while virtually anything new is celebrated simply for being new? I think there's a lot of subjectivity in that assessment. I mean shoot, man, you're painting a picture of a skull dude in a robe - something that's been done about a billion times - while you criticize Arthur Kwon Lee for not being original 😅 I do agree that nobody wants to fund conservative art, though - your points about how leftist institutions won't fund/display stuff they disagree with, or even stuff by people they disagree with even if the message of the art is fine... while conservatives themselves often prefer to donate to political causes (or in the cases of social conservatives, social causes like the homeless or pro-life groups) that they see as more important/pressing. That's probably true, in my experience. But just cos you don't *see* all these artists out there doesn't mean they don't exist or that they inherently suck. I'll add that out of the professional sphere, a lot of everyday conservatives dislike the use of social media, so you're a lot less likely to see non-professional artists putting their stuff out there, too.
I'm mostly familiar with online illustrators and artists, so my perspective is rather limited. But on social media at least, currently the most prominent conservative artists on there seem to make hating the people they don't like their main feature in art, or just making people angry. Perhaps though that's just the loudest voices are being pushed by the social media algorithms?
I also think making good art requires vulnerability and self-expression, something that a conservative mindset doesn't approve of typically.I think that's why you see more progressive or liberal people in the arts.
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I'm not sure how many conservative artists there are either, but at the same time I do think a lot of commercial art (i.e, art where one of if not the primary motive in its creation is money-making) is "conservative?" Conservative in the literal sense of it tries to do as little as it can to reveal values that would offend anyone of any sort of political leaning. Think along the lines of Super Mario Bros. or your average Illumination movie. However, I should say at the same time that this definition of "conservative" doesn't have that much to do with what that word means in the context of the present day / political landscape.
I would also say that there are a lot of works that *lean* towards this personal definition of conservative that I've laid out that nonetheless tease values that lean one way or the other from time to time. In fact, I would say there is no art that can truly escape any sort of political reading, just by virtue of that being an inescapable aspect of our world in general. Think about how Animal Crossing abolished gender in New Horizons, or how The Sims leans towards making The (Suburbanite) American Dream your end objective. These probably aren't statements that are radical enough to alienate anyone, but nonetheless they whisper *some* sort of belief to you. They allow you to get away with being ignorant if that's what you please. And that's really the line I would put between my (again, personal) definition of "conservative art" and anything that's more radical one way or the other.
Could it be that conservatives are more interested in art as investments and status-symbols, rather than actually making it? Consider all the highly valuable art, modern or otherwise, that goes straight from the auction houses to the freeport tax havens, not even to be looked at.
Modern conservatives yes, unfortunately. Traditionalists appreciate culture, art, and festivities, while modern conservatives are only focused on the economic viability of those topics.
@@Shmendan2 Yeah, it seems to me that among the left, there's actually *very* little understanding of conservatism. There are more economic conservatives, and there are more social conservatives... socons get demonized but tbh, they're the ones more likely to appreciate art for its own sake, as a valuable cultural thing. There's some overlap but they're kind of two different beasts. Especially so outside the US.
I can name several (mostly not very good) artists with conservative beliefs that I know you're aware of, but that just makes me more curious so I'm looking forward to this one
I think you're confusing politically/socially conservative with artistically conservative. No one who is concerned with politics or social issues cares too much about art. This goes the same with politically/socially concerned progressives. There are plenty of artistically conservative people out there and they are making wildly popular works. From a gaming perspective i would say works such as Dark Souls and Blasphemous are examples that take inspiration from conservative views and artstyles and turn them into something new.
I'm specifically talking about politics in this video. Artists tend not to lean right even if they don't break the mold. I think you might have missed the point of this video. There are very few politically conservative artists. This video goes into why.
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Well - the point is though, that you extrapolate that politically conservative people, would automatically be averse to change or innovation in art. Which is a shallow understanding of how people work imo.
Most intelligent people won't be just "conservative". It's not the whole of their being. They will have some opinions that lean conservative, and other opinions that don't. Philosophy do not align 1:1 to modern political issues.
If someone take "The whole idea X package" with all it's opinions and they don't question it very much... Well, then it's just not very wise. That person has been deceived most probably.
I certainly agree that separating oneself from the art one practices is very difficult. Every song that I have composed has in it some left leaning, atheist or environmental image or message.
can a conservative define what 'conservative art' is for me so that i don't straw man them? because all i know of 'conservatives' that make art is that it's usually hateful and antagonistic and targeted at those they disagree with in order to 'trigger' them. i'd be happy to learn of what 'actual conservative art' is because i haven't seen it yet.
Art can'be neither conservative nor leftist. The message may be.
Imo the best art is so good at mimicking real life and it's complexities that it cannot be classified as left or right.
The video is about conservative artists. Good art made by a conservative is similar to good art made by a progressive. They would probably just choose different part of our human emotion range and experiences.
Conservatives might for example show idk... Modern struggles of trying to uphold some religious standards in our time where corrupt/evil religious figures are common. if it would be described with care, empathy and nuance, then it could be very good art. The subject would just be something that a progressive person wouldn't usually touch.
The absolutely great example is
LOTR (Conservative to the bone) vs. DUNE (very atheist take).
Both are great art. Both are epic. However they are SO SO DIFFERENT.
@nc956 calling LOTR conservative is hilarious. Overcoming things like xenophobia, corruption, and intentional societal division (all factors prevalent from the right) in order to stop a fascist overlord (also a desire of the right) from taking over the world. This is exactly what I was talking about. LOTR is literally and antiwar fable and someone tries to say it's conservative? Absolutely delusional.
Also, loved the (maybe not intentional) ghost of the communism piece of art, man! My eyes are drawn to the abstract background, it's my favorite part
Conservatism means to preseve (conserve) what is already there. From this perspective, it is understandeable that modern Art is not so much a thing to fund for conservative Societies. Then, there is the fact that people become more conservative when they settle down get a family and a stabile life. However, a lot of fulltime artists, especially singer or any kind of performer that are freelancers don't have this stabile life and therefore they don't go down the road to conservatism.
I feel like you've touched on a lot of what conservative art is here, either beating one over the head with the idea or just trying really hard to piss a group of people off. I think it's with saying that a lot of it is also just plan racist or out of touch to the point of being absurdist.
While listening to this I younger man I know who is a gay conservative. At one time, he made spoken word poetry that was just kinda nonsensical but would always step into my comments to defend conservatives.
Frankly I find the conservative creative scene in general devoid of creativity and honest because I think many of them just do it to generate income now. Pendants, "artists" and other creative types have found they can make a living off making other people angry and now they have to stick with it to pay the bills.
I think at one time, in our lifetime, there were genuine conservative artists but I think that was during a time when both liberal and conservative politics were trying to solve actual problems together but argued over how it was to be done rather then rather or not it SHOULD be done.
Thomas Kinkaid was a rather good painter who drew conservative americana. His technique is good.
Ben Garrison perhaps? Not a great artist. But a famous one.
Finally i know how it feels go be totally happy with a piece the entire time your eorking on it. Its rare. But im glad you shared it.
What about Thomas Kinkade? He was a religious fanatic
Awesome painting! I like it
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From my experience in the art community I agree that there aren’t that many conservative artists. Scientifically speaking, I think the reason is that conservatives are overall less creative and more fearful of the change needed to learn and become an artist. This is also one of the main reasons why conservatives utterly fail in nearly every academic field.
I was just thinking about this recently, neat coincidence and good video as always
Well, this is very interesting.
Conservative here! This was very interesting.
I just completely disagree and think you are hard wrong about this
That's fair what part do you think I got wrong?
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I appreciate you being so open about this and not being hostile at all. I am right leaning and enjoy art myself, and have considered venturing into various potential arts.
I understand this is inherently about politics but I think the way you talked about politics and art is so 1 dimensional. I think a conservative is more likely to never express their politics with their interest and so if someone votes right but makes are they may never even have reason to announce their politics for fear or otherwise. I understand art reflects the self but the self doesn't have to include beliefs. I mean Christians are still making art for instance, though I guess it could be argued that IS expressing conservatism.
I think it also shows that you are thinking very American/Western focused. Japan is extremely conservative for example and they are all about culture and tradition including art. (Weeb icon using Japan as reference lmao) As well as many other countries I am sure.
I get your point on conservatives likely to go more fore investments but that also could show in investing in art, take the music industry for example. I imagine many big names in companies are conservative minded maybe signing left leaning musicians because they want to tap into that market.
I just find it very hard to imagine there are barely any conservatives like myself (as I guess I will call myself) that enjoy art and would buy into it or make it. It feels very narrow minded to think otherwise, and slightly a little othering though I am sure you don't mean it that way.
@@AliceinEntropyall conservatives are right leaning, but not all right leaning people are conservatives
@@AliceinEntropy There are definitely more cases of conservative artists, local galleries in small towns and stuff definitely exist. Lots of just reminiscing and whatnot. Not to mention all the christian art. I do think they just aren't prominent.
But as for artists in japan (even in the category of weeb art) there is definitely a lot more diversity on that front than I think most people posting on western message boards realize, most artists just don't get vocal about anything so its probably hard to realize that yeah... the people drawing girls making out or all the gender nonconformity stuff probably on average atleast deviate from the conservative viewpoint of traditionalism a bit.
@@AliceinEntropy I think that there's a mix here of both of you being right, in a way.
There are definitely conservative artists making a lot of art, some successful, some not, but there's no* conservative art. They're artists who completely hide their beliefs and thus completely excise their beliefs from their creative styles. They paint barns, scenery, they knit, make murals, etc, but they won't ascribe any meaning to it.
Because conservative beliefs can be summarized in four big, broad boxes: tradition, faith, fiscal responsibility, and bigotry. So if you as an artist create art that is evocative of, say, the 1950's, or artists from the 1600's...you won't stand out. You're doing what has already been done, which may look very nice, but won't catch the eye. If you as an artist create art that is religious, again it may look very nice, but it isn't going to make waves. Art for fiscal responsibility would make waves in that I don't think it's been done and I can't fathom how it'd look, but if it's being done it's not making waves yet. So that leaves the bigotry, your Ben Garrisons and the people who lavishly paint Trump, and that's just not going to draw positive attention.
*Japan, you could say, is extremely conservative-but also as a weeb you most assuredly know that it is not primarily selling conservative art. You get things like Attack on Titan which is conservative, sure, but there's heaps of decidedly not-conservative anime out there as well. Some cultures do push for tradition more, but again, repetition of the exact same art is not going to be popular-hence, celebrating tradition will always have its limitations unless it brings something new to the table, and by bringing something new it changes the tradition (thus no longer being conservative).
So, in short, you're both right and wrong at the same time.
the best art comes from oppressed people what do right leaning people have to make art about they aren't under any oppression and their culture is based on oppressing that doesn't make for very inspired or interesting art.. the art that gets the most funding is NON political art non problematic and commercialized
No, the best art comes from skilled people that work hard.
A religious person in a totalitarian communist dictator ship could be considered opressed.
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Well there was this one Austrian guy around the turn of the last century but he wasn't very good...