EVERYONE loves Chiang Mai, here's why.........

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024

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  • @Joe-mz6dc
    @Joe-mz6dc Год назад +1

    Wow. Just wow.

  • @cityhue517
    @cityhue517 20 дней назад +1

    Khâm phục người Thái làm du lịch quá. Một thành phố không có gì đẹp hay đặc biệt nhưng họ đã làm nó trở nên nỗi tiếng khắp thế giới

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  20 дней назад +1

      Vâng, đó thực sự là một nơi tuyệt đẹp

  • @orgorg5055
    @orgorg5055 Год назад +1

    Just got back from cm this week awesome place

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Its class, glad you liked it. Where are you heading next?

  • @pleasebeserious2280
    @pleasebeserious2280 Год назад +1

    A chiang mai e

  • @savscostumeshop
    @savscostumeshop Год назад +1

    great video! i’m on the train headed it chiang mai now😆

  • @BangkokJack858
    @BangkokJack858  Год назад

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  • @JV-zl5qz
    @JV-zl5qz Год назад +26

    My favourite city, perhaps place, on earth. I came to Thailand not expecting to spend more than a week in Chiang Mai, 8 weeks on and I am still here. I have totally fell in love with the city, the people, the food.. everything! Not to mention, I have made some amazing friends that live here, too.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +2

      Glad you like it so much. 8 weeks! You must've explored the place pretty well by now. You should make a video of your own

  • @sweetjane6506
    @sweetjane6506 Год назад +1

    I love Chiang Mai, but I wouldn't advise anyone to go there between February and April, during the burning season.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Yeah I'd agree, especially this year. It was bad. A few people have mentioned this to me, I think it slipped my mind when making the video

    • @Allen667sjja
      @Allen667sjja Год назад

      Appreciate the heads up

  • @roderickgillies6558
    @roderickgillies6558 Год назад +1

    Any golf courses in the area.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Yes. Check out Alpine, Royal Chiang Mai, Highlands and Green Valley

    • @mmaranta785
      @mmaranta785 Месяц назад

      Maejo is good.

  • @jmoneys96yankz
    @jmoneys96yankz 4 месяца назад +1

    where is the Karen village?

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  4 месяца назад

      Mae klang Luang Village near Doi Inthanon

  • @gtrfreak
    @gtrfreak Год назад +3

    Great preview, I will be in Chiang Mai Nov 4th thru 12th and attending the floating lantern festival ! It will be my first time and def appreciate the vlog

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      That'll be a great time to be in Chiang Mai! Have fun

    • @SynCoz3
      @SynCoz3 Год назад +1

      Loy Kratong is happening soon. Wish you have a great time here in Chiang Mai.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      @@SynCoz3 yeah it will be a great time to be there

  • @TomBTerrific
    @TomBTerrific Год назад +5

    Had a wonderful month there with my wife. We both really enjoyed the food, people and culture. A time to remember

  • @3VOLUTION369
    @3VOLUTION369 Год назад +2

    great video man really gives you a good feel for the vibe

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Cheers man, you might also like my newest Hanoi video, my best work yet imo

  • @Risacnx
    @Risacnx Год назад +5

    My hometown is something else. I am happy to see that a lot of people enjoyed their time there. ❤️❤️

  • @BeingSehgal
    @BeingSehgal 2 года назад +1

    My goodness what a waterfall...

  • @Jaymage
    @Jaymage Год назад +3

    Yes a beautiful place Chiang Mai
    🇹🇭🙏🏼🇹🇭

  • @frosty_soda
    @frosty_soda Год назад +1

    lived there early 2001 (just after 9/11) what a place. I love Thailand

  • @ruudvanmontfoort4485
    @ruudvanmontfoort4485 Год назад +1

    nice video, thank you....CM, the city i lived in for over 12 years.......thanks again

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      I'm sure its a great place to live. I like bangkok but would move to Chiang Mai with the right job offer

    • @ruudvanmontfoort4485
      @ruudvanmontfoort4485 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 wish you good luck with finding one

  • @Cantfindahable
    @Cantfindahable Год назад +1

    Chaing mai is amazing I highly recommend visiting, changed my life!

  • @itsadriana6096
    @itsadriana6096 Год назад +1

    woww

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      If you enjoyed this one, check out my newest video from Hanoi, Vietnam. I think its my best work yet

  • @KJFTravelAdventures
    @KJFTravelAdventures 2 года назад +4

    So many different types of things to do and see. Looks like a wonderful place to visit.

  • @Xylo58
    @Xylo58 Год назад +2

    Thanks for the video. Will be there for the full moon lantern festival +++
    Very informative 👍

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks, glad I could be of help for once. You'll love the lantern festival it beaut!

    • @Xylo58
      @Xylo58 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 you’re most welcome. If you can recommend a mid range hotel for a couple? Good location near or in old town. You’re of great help 👍

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      @@Xylo58 I just stayed in Moon Dragon hotel. It's near Thapae Gate in the old town, had a pool and the rooms were quite nice. Was around 800 baht per night so very good value for money. The windows were a bit thin so was a little noisy at night but that's my only complaint

    • @Xylo58
      @Xylo58 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 ok thank you very much 👍 I’ll check that out. Enjoy your videos
      Keep them coming ✊

  • @365daysabroad
    @365daysabroad Год назад +1

    So underated video. Should be million views on it

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Cheers mate. I'm hoping to grow a bit more in 2023 so maybe one day it will!

  • @thetravellingwelshman
    @thetravellingwelshman 2 года назад +11

    I couldn't agree with you more my friend! Even though I have only had the opportunity to visit Bangkok and Chiang Mai, the latter most definitely was the highlight of my time and still to this day my all time favourite destination! The spirituality, the vibe, the energy, the natural landscapes, just utterly glorious in every way!

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      Yeah it's a lot of people's favourite place in Thailand. I'm heading to northern Vietnam next month. Have you ever been?

  • @rightrecipefortravel
    @rightrecipefortravel 2 года назад +5

    I really enjoy Thai food and your look at the food was wonderful. Such delicious flavors. The beautiful scenery and waterfalls are gorgeous. Watch out for the rain.

  • @HideoutWays
    @HideoutWays 2 года назад +1

    Amazing video.. thanks for sharing

  • @lifeofpri..
    @lifeofpri.. 2 года назад +1

    Gorgeous shots specially the Drone captures…

  • @EverydayGetaways
    @EverydayGetaways 2 года назад +4

    Beautiful video. I love the beauty especially the waterfalls and gorgeous scenery! Thank you for taking us on your journey!

  • @inner28.
    @inner28. Год назад +1

    This video is pure quality. Underrated channel!

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks a lot! I've go to a lo to more Thailand related stuff coming soon, hoping to grow a bit more in the new year!

  • @unstoppabledigitaltravelling
    @unstoppabledigitaltravelling 2 года назад +3

    Amazing shots, beautiful capture of the city. Food looks great. Also thanks for the information.

  • @p.c.h.6721
    @p.c.h.6721 Год назад +1

    A friend went to live there with his wife and they love it, they tell me to move there as well, but what about the smoky season, and what about the language.... I’m thinking about Mexico as my final destination before I end up in the cemetery
    I’m done working day and night just to pay taxes

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      The smoky season is a problem for sure, if you don't have to work there though you can always just go stay down south on one if the islands for a few weeks. The language barrier isn't much of a problem. Most people in Chiang Mai speak some English

    • @p.c.h.6721
      @p.c.h.6721 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858
      Thanks, I’ve heard of people moving for a few weeks to the south coast to avoid the smoke 💨
      It’s tempting to move there tbh, and they tell me it’s cheap....
      What about the rainy season? Does it rain day and night nonstop for weeks and weeks, or is it not that bad?

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      @@p.c.h.6721 it's not quite that bad. In rainy season it rains really heavily almost everyday for about an hour to an hour and a half. So there's still plenty of time you can be outside. The problem is predicting when it is going to rain ....

    • @p.c.h.6721
      @p.c.h.6721 Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858
      Thanks, that’s not too bad, you know how it is, you hear “rainy season” and you think of the nonstop monsoon rains and you picture every street flooded with water, not being able to go anywhere.
      I will have to go there and visit Chiang Mai to see for myself, somehow Chiang Mai keeps coming up as one of the best places to live not only in Thailand but in the world 🌎

  • @danielpredsox
    @danielpredsox Год назад +2

    Fantastic short review of Chiang Mai. I shared it with my sister who plans to visit me in February for her first overseas travel from the United States. Job well done.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks, that means a lot coming from someone with a Chiang Mai in their name

  • @AndysWorldJourneys
    @AndysWorldJourneys 2 года назад +3

    Chiang Mai is a bit of a tourist Mecca. I have been there twice and never really felt I got the place. It's very pleasant though, and I took a trek back in 1999 which felt pretty fake back then. the highlight is defintiely when on treks being able to swim! thanks for a great vid!

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      That's a Shame about the treks. I really like it. I'm planning on doing some trekking in Sapa, northern Vietnam in October. Have you ever been?

    • @travelingtiv
      @travelingtiv Год назад

      Worst time to go during February! So much burning and pollution. Why don't you mention reality. I was just there this week. Chiang Mai, Pattaya and Phuket are becoming the same. I spent a few days in Mae Kampong Village and it's becoming not so peaceful anymore.

  • @traveladvisorak6065
    @traveladvisorak6065 2 года назад +1

    That place has lot to offer. Nice drone shots.

  • @TravellerSB
    @TravellerSB 2 года назад +1

    Such ana amazing place with amazing views. I enjoyed a lot. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ThereToHereTravels
    @ThereToHereTravels 2 года назад +1

    So many wonderful things to see, do, and eat! Great video!

  • @drainbamaged
    @drainbamaged Год назад +1

    I didn't know about that waterfall. That'll definitely be a stop off point on my travels next month. Thank you my man.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      No worries, probably the best waterfall I've seen but it probably won't be quite so majestic now that rainy season is over

  • @quoderatdemonstrandum7215
    @quoderatdemonstrandum7215 Год назад +1

    Can I ask if you can enter the waterfall? Or is it too dangerous?

  • @marybethsmidwestadventures
    @marybethsmidwestadventures 2 года назад +2

    Never heard of this place before. It looks amazing. New sub!

  • @josephgreen2824
    @josephgreen2824 Год назад +4

    cool video man, especially the drone footage. I'm heading to Chiang Mai for my 2nd visit in February. Your breakdown of the ethnic groups is very informative. Here in Vietnam we also have Hmong.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks man. My next videos are actually me trekking in Sapa with the Red Dao tribes it was a really cool experience. If you haven't already check out my newer Vietnam videos they're some of my best stuff!

  • @TheBeardedVagabond
    @TheBeardedVagabond 2 года назад +1

    Great video. Everything looks so beautiful up there. I will definitely be heading there my next time over there.

  • @thanaang1455
    @thanaang1455 Год назад +1

    In Thailand, no major construction is allowed up in the high mountains so you still can see local life up there.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      I didn't know that. That will be why it is so peaceful there

  • @wennessa94
    @wennessa94 Год назад +1

    Just discovered your channel and I gotta say great editing ! Subscribed!

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks, it means a lot. Check out my new Hanoi video I think its my best work yet!

  • @dannyho6786
    @dannyho6786 Год назад +1

    Well done lad, very tasteful !

  • @ashlynngalluzzo1589
    @ashlynngalluzzo1589 2 года назад +2

    Great video. I love watching all the things to do. The food looks amazing. The waterfalls also looked great. Unfortunately, we didn’t have a chance to hike when we were there.

  • @Simon.0000
    @Simon.0000 2 года назад +2

    It's seams right if you visit the sleeping Princess cave since that new film is on prime ( thirteen lives ) not many vloggers visit there because of what happened

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  2 года назад

      I might just have to check it out then! I haven't actually seen the film though, maybe that will put me off.

    • @Simon.0000
      @Simon.0000 2 года назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 it's a fantastic film and true story if you watch it hopefully you will enjoy
      Ps new subscriber here too

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  2 года назад

      @@Simon.0000 thanks man, means a lot. I have been hearing a lot about the film, so I'll check it out soon

  • @the_undying-phantylia
    @the_undying-phantylia Год назад +2

    Chiang Mai is second largest city in Thailand with 1,500,000 population(include non native citizens)

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Wow that's much bigger than j had expected actually. It feels like a small town when you are there!

  • @thai_spirit
    @thai_spirit Год назад +1

    Subscribed. Your voice and cinematic shots made your channel realy unique and different from another blog style channels

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      Thanks man, I'm glad to hear that. I'm going for a "travel vlog for people who hate travel vloggers" kind of vibe!

  • @dondobbs9302
    @dondobbs9302 Год назад +1

    W0W! So well done! No hyper 20-somthings all up in my face, really nice and atmospheric. Great cinematography. And, yes: C.M. is the best, been here over 10 years with no plan on moving.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks a lot! Thats (one of the reasons) why I started this channel - I hate those kind of videos too. If you liked this you might enjoy my newest video from Hanoi, Vietnam. I think its my best video yet!

    • @dondobbs9302
      @dondobbs9302 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 Just watched it! Love it.

  • @wilkywilky7814
    @wilkywilky7814 Год назад +3

    I visited Chiangmai in September my first time in Thailand and it is an amazing place to visit, and I saw some of the Tribes they all have their own cultures and their own languages but can also speak Thai, I saw the Karen’s which Thai people call them long necks became of the rings they wear around their necks all the women do even young girls was wearing them, it a tradition that they have kept through generations.
    The local street food anywhere in Thailand is the best, and if anyone likes the temples try Chiang Ria which is not far from Chiangmai and it has a huge white temple. I’m coming back to Thailand again next year, not sure whereabouts but I can’t wait and recommend it to anyone, Thailand is a place you can easily fall in love with.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      I'm glad you liked it, I also love Chiang Rai too. I actually have a few videos about the temples there and their history. Where will you visit on your next trip to Thailand

    • @wilkywilky7814
      @wilkywilky7814 Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858 my girlfriend is Thai so we traveled across north Thailand to the Laos border and then to Lampang and then to Kampang Pet to her home town, it was the best trip I’ve had.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      @@wilkywilky7814 That sounds unreal, glad you enjoyed it.

  • @thai_spirit
    @thai_spirit Год назад +1

    I have never been so much north, but its on my list. Greetings from isaan

    • @thai_spirit
      @thai_spirit Год назад +1

      That egg-noodles food looks realy yummy, we do not have this here in isaan

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      I still need to make it to Isaan too! Maybe someday soon

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Its the best!

  • @user-bs4vb8vh6m
    @user-bs4vb8vh6m Год назад +1

    So beautiful place 😲😊🤙❤️

  • @chermarl5955
    @chermarl5955 2 года назад

    Both food and natural It's so juicy.🍲🍜🥙⛲🪴🌳🌾🌿☘🌱🏞

  • @justkens3844
    @justkens3844 Год назад

    best chiang mai video so for. no bullshit ,no stupid shots. just so nice.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      Thanks man, means a lot. Thats the vibe I'm going for on the channel - No nonsense travel!

    • @justkens3844
      @justkens3844 Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858 well, you made it very good then, we hope to see more videos ! :)

  • @AndyF534
    @AndyF534 2 года назад

    Beautiful work!

  • @wilkywilky7814
    @wilkywilky7814 Год назад +1

    Another suggestion if you want a good tour of Chiangmai hire a Tuk Tuk driver for a couple of days they know all the good places to visit, on of my highlights was the Tiger Kingdom they actually let me stroke a white tiger, that was an experience I will never forget.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      That is a good suggestion. One thing to note though is that if you were able to stroke the tiger that probably means the tiger was up to its eyeballs in drugs. Tigers don't let people stroke them lol

    • @wilkywilky7814
      @wilkywilky7814 Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858 they wasn’t drugged and was quite alert but they was very placid probably use to being handled.

  • @mmaranta785
    @mmaranta785 Месяц назад

    Where is that waterfall?

  • @SynCoz3
    @SynCoz3 Год назад +1

    Just avoid smoke season during Feb-May and the rest is Paradise.

  • @worldnomaderic
    @worldnomaderic Год назад +2

    I was surprised that you recommended visiting any month without mentioning the burning season. Feb-March is the worst of it, but it can start getting bad in January.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      That's a good point, I forgot about that. I've been there during that time and its horrendous. My bad.

    • @insightwisdom7022
      @insightwisdom7022 Год назад

      How can the Thai government cope with the smoke?

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      @@insightwisdom7022 it doesn't lol. If just smokes up the whole city

    • @insightwisdom7022
      @insightwisdom7022 Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 The smoke has come for burning trees before next season planting from Budma not in Thailand.

    • @SynCoz3
      @SynCoz3 Год назад +1

      @@insightwisdom7022 That is true. It came from neighbor countries and stuck in Chiang Mai which has "Bowl Shape" graphical surrounded mountains.

  • @seshubabusc
    @seshubabusc Год назад +1

    Very nice video. I am visiting this in October in 1 month from now. please, let me know if I can visit all the places on my own in a relaxed manner or if you suggest taking a day tour. I am planning to stay for 3 complete days in Chiang Mai...

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      It will probably be a bit tricky to do by yourself. I would recommend using a day tour, they will pick you up from your hotel and have a full day planned for you including some things you would not know about on your own

  • @stefan-ge
    @stefan-ge Год назад +1

    not true, avoid going there during smoky season ^^
    but i really love that area yes

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Yeah someone pointed that out to me, my bad i forgot about smoky season

  • @Danielle-yf3sk
    @Danielle-yf3sk Год назад +1

    Hi! Could you please tell me where we can find the Karen tribe you visited in this video? Would love to visit. Thanks

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      I believe it was Ban Mae Klang Luang, near Doi Inthanon. There are probably 50 different village that you could visit though. This one was quite nice though

  • @stangoodvibes
    @stangoodvibes Год назад +1

    Here now. It's a dunghole. Hot, dusty, boring AF. The town reminds me the arse end of Patong, but without the world class beach across the road, and traffic as bad as Bangkok. Even cycling around on our MTBs is crap. Had a fab night glamping at Inthanon and hiking to the viewpoint, but Chaing Mai town itself is a dump. We were going to stay for Xmas but bollocks to that. Life is too short to waste any of it here.

  • @samomanawat
    @samomanawat Год назад +2

    6:57 “Lanna” is not ethnicity. It’s the name of the ancient kingdom in Northern Thailand where the majority are Thai. We Northern Thai called ourselves as “Khon Mueang” (คนเมือง) or “Tai Yuan” (ไท ยวน) and Northern Thai people aren’t considered as ethnic minority. And the background photo you used here is actually a Khmer/Cambodian temple which is not relevant to Northern Thai people. In fact Northern Thailand is the region that has the least ancient Khmer influence throughout the country.
    Next ethnic group that you mentioned is Karen people. However the background image you used here is actually a “Kayan people” or “the long neck Karen.” They are different from majority Karen people in Thailand but related.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Thanks for the correction. If I talk about this topic in a later video I will be sure to mention this

  • @norrisbethke7770
    @norrisbethke7770 Год назад +2

    CM is such a good all around place, any kind of food, and so many enclaves within the greater city, great medical and dental facilities as well, lots of expats and retirees love it for all those reasons…and…many night markets makes Christmas shopping a half hour affair 🙏🏻👍🏻🇹🇭

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      That's a good point! I'd never really heard of the dental and medical facilities being good, I'd assumed they weren't very good outside of BKK, but that must just be my BKK prejudice. How long have you lived in Chiang Mai?

    • @norrisbethke7770
      @norrisbethke7770 Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858 don’t live there permanently yet but have gone once, twice, or thrice per year since 2010..have done some medical visits and they were excellent..I share a house where I can keep my bike, guitar, clothes, etc

  • @destinationsunknowntheroadsles

    Personally can,t stand the city too many foreigners ! The province one of my favorites

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      That's fair

    • @destinationsunknowntheroadsles
      @destinationsunknowntheroadsles Год назад +1

      @@BangkokJack858 Just not into the tourist slums they all more or less look the same TACKY! Having said that I have subscribed to your channel because of its quality.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      @@destinationsunknowntheroadsles yeah, I usually like the less touristy places as well tbh. Thanks!

  • @DogKillersInc
    @DogKillersInc Год назад +1

    The title is a lie, I know people who hate Chaing Mai.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      Those people are few and far between. Do you know why they hate it?

    • @DogKillersInc
      @DogKillersInc Год назад

      @@BangkokJack858 because it's boring

  • @brettgornall8005
    @brettgornall8005 Год назад

    Look at the silly Falang eating his noodles with a fork 😂

  • @STOPHATECLUB
    @STOPHATECLUB Год назад +1

    Hmong = Mong, not HaMong. Lol

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад +1

      Thanks, I'm doing a trek in Sapa, Vietnam next month and staying with Hmong, so this will stop me looking a tit lol

  • @jjs1168
    @jjs1168 Год назад

    Not even slightest details on many of the places visited. Hard to like such videos

  • @Mike11219USA
    @Mike11219USA Год назад +1

    Chiang mai a very boring place.

    • @BangkokJack858
      @BangkokJack858  Год назад

      You think so? What don't you like about it?

    • @andrelotscher280
      @andrelotscher280 Год назад

      Very boring Place, i agree. The Nightlife is a Joke ... 🤨

    • @mmaranta785
      @mmaranta785 Месяц назад

      True, compared to Bangkok and Pattaya, but it’s relaxing

  • @saintluke2nd
    @saintluke2nd Год назад +1

    The term ethnic minority is not really a tasteful term to use, at least in the US. 6:11