Ps: my comment was NOT a stab at you, you are awesome Erin. It was a sarcastic view of the dumpsterfire we are currently living in. I wanted to make that clear!
Could you show how to counter an new offer? (I.e. get offered $52k, negotiate for $62k, get offered $60k (no sign-on). How do you counter that? Or do you just drop?)
Question. I’ve been watching you for quite some time now. So I was wondering how do I tell my manager that I’ll need some accommodation with my job. I’m a Muslim. I don’t sell haram (like pork or alcohol). I recently got to know that they’re selling pork. We don’t have much of it, like a pack is sitting there in the fridge in the hotel. But I need to not sell those due to religious reasons. I don’t know what to do, because the people here are absolutely sweet hearts, and serving guests is my interest.
so.... all you had to do.... was be nice n grateful for the offer, say you cant accept it, counter offer, meet in middle. am i missing something here? because to me it sounds like a normal conversation if youre looking to gain something out of it. also i wouldn't practice negotiation on your 60k dollar job offers. learn to negotiate buying second hand crap off craigslist. but ah, i guess i didnt account for gen-z's expectation of being given it without proper communication
@@MrPaxio Haha yeah, but I guess you have to see where some people just accept offers without negotiating on the cause of afraid of being rude then having to get another job to pay the bills😅, then there are entitled people or just non professional people I guess but yeah, oh I'm so bad at like negotiating items prices like in markets, I would get intimidated pretty quick😅
As an HR person I can tell you it is essential that you get the highest pay you can going into the job. Once at a company it's much harder to get pay increases. And since future increases, bonuses, 401k match, etc are usually a % of your salary, coming in low compounds and even future increases won't make up for the loss. It's essential to negotiating pay for everything except in the very lowest level jobs.
Yes! That's the risk of taking a lower pay plus a signing bonus; since future numbers are based off of that base pay (not including the bonus) you end up on a much "shallower" path going forward. They may have more latitude in signing bonuses, but that's at the expense of longer-term gains. That 60k+2k turns into 60k next year - a pay CUT. Even if there's a modest COLA raise, you might not see 62k again for a few years.
I just find the concept of negotiating salary on signing so strange. Unless you have some quite specific sought after qualifications or a pretty high end job. Like I just feel for most positions if they decide on you and you say ok cool great but I want more won't they just decide on hiring the other applicants?
Someone I knew told me this story: He interviewed an amazing woman for a job on his team. HR gave him the offer letter to pass along. He pushed back to HR: too low. HR said it was ok, because HR EXPECTED THE APPLICANT TO NEGOTIATE UP ABOUT $4K ANYWAY. This person told HR: WOMEN DON'T NEGOTIATE UP. And he advocated for the $4k HR had expected to adjust to after negotiations. He then passed on the higher offer letter. THE WOMAN ACCEPTED IT WITHOUT NEGOTIATION. I want all women (and men!!) to know this! Also, if you're in a leadership position, you can also advocate for your team like this. Your workers will be happier and know you have their back.💪🤑
I did this for the person substituting me in my role, she still works there and is a great employee, it's much easier for someone on the inside advocate for the new person joining, this should be a thing.
@@susmateja this makes me realize that advocating for ourselves is not something women easily do, but advocating for others we do easily do. So maybe we're not broken or weak at all, just different. And connecting and helping has its own advantages and strengths - those who advocated and who were advocated for in all these comments work harder for each other and both become better assets to a company. Social connection reduces toxicity too.
I wonder what would have happened if she DOD advocate for herself and have a counter offer after this happened in the background? I also wonder if she ever knew about what that hiring manager did for her?
@@amandacurtis7245 indeed. I imagine he would have said he'd already negotiated for her, but he would pass along her offer. Personally, I'd like to see more systemic change than individuals bearing the burden of change and assimilation. Lastly, I got invited to their holiday party, and I made the effort to pull her aside and tell her what had been done. She was grateful, but I pressed her: you're worth more and next time, you need to ask for more. It took some pressing for this to sink in. Her partner understood what I was saying though. So I'm hoping it will change the course of her career.
I tried negotiating for the first time ever at a job interview after I quit my last job because the pay was too low and I was too scared to ask for a raise. They said they would have to discuss it with the owner and get back to me. I thought for sure I wasn’t going to get offered the job after asking for a higher wage, but they actually increased their offer! I asked what their salary range was for the position and told them that in order to accept the offer, I would need the higher end of that salary range to be my starting wage. I ended up accepting another position at another company because it paid more than even their increased offer, but I’m learning to have more confidence and I love it. Thanks for the encouragement Erin!
Well if you have no skills to negotiate that’s not their fault. If it’s a low skill job they can pay low cuz there are plenty of prospective employees.
@@dirtyderkusCompanies treat TALENTED people like shit. If they're lowballing this bad they're going to be a nightmare. Just move on. Refuse the offer and let them know and warn everyone you can about this shitty company.
@@valeriemacias6285 i have no choice. My city work market is now filled with indians and Pakistani. Out of 50 jobs i applied, only 2 responded. And i love food and not starving.
I always go the “surprised and disappointed” route with an offer. I act completely stunned that that’s all the money they’re offering and was expecting X much more. Hilariously it puts the HR reps into a bit of a panic and I’ve always gotten more money that way. It’s shocking how well it works.
I had a hiring manager be sneaky and ask if I accept a job before bringing up compensation. I was interviewing at different departments within the company I was currently at because i currently hated my job and the pay. I finally got scheduled to meet with the hiring manager who said basically, "Congratulations! We have selected you out of all our applicants to offer this position to! Do you accept??" And i was too excited and just said "Yes thank you so much!" At which point she said "Great! Sign here (*signs*), your pay will "blah blah* and you start next Monday, have a good one!" And as i left the room my heart just sank and I got nauseous. It was BARELY over what i was currently making, and i was so mad at myself for accepting without taking initiative to ask first, but was too embarrassed to bring it up after the fact. A lesson i never forgot but learned the hard way.
The other sneaky thing they're doing is having you state your preferred pay BEFORE they send you an offer letter. They're banking on you having no idea what their range is, so you throw out a random number; and then if it's too high they won't move forward with you and if you later realise it's too low, they can say "but you literally asked for this pay". There is virtually no way to get out of it, because if they don't like the number you give them, they'll just ghost you.
@@LordofFullmetal I gullibly answered to thig by saying it has to be at least xx amount (I stated my old salary) and guess what, my offer was only 1,000 more than my old salary. I learned to ask for their range and never to give a random number!
@@LordofFullmetalIn my country, asking the expected salary is the norm. They ask you about this in application forms, even before you get shortlisted for any interview. Not sure if this is the case in other countries but I've hardly ever applied to companies where the expected salary question isn't the first thing to be asked out of the gate Man, one company I was applying to not only asked about my expected salary during the application, but also asked if I'm open to negotiating my expected salary 💀 Like why else would they ask that if not to check if they can lowball you??? It was so transparent
I want to genuinely thank you, Erin, for posting these videos. I've never been taught how to negotiate and also never realized that everything (especially wages) are always negotiable. I just negotiated with a new job and they accepted my counter offer. I never would have done that without you spreading this information. Thank you so much
I was able to quit my job from 34k a year and transfer to one that would give me 52k. Yes I did some about a month searching for another job but the fact I was able to leave sick a toxic place was totally worth it! And of course I followed some of your tips to negotiate and give them a proper range!!!! Thanks and good luck to everyone, you can do it guys!!!!
They will always low ball. Everything is a negotiation. You only get what you ask for. However, knowing how to spot red flags is a skill you can develop alongside negotiating skills. A company will never value you MORE or treat you BETTER than when they are trying to land you. Offers that seems completely out of line with the role, the market, and your experience are often signs of trouble ahead. Know when to negotiate and when to cut your losses. Not all offers or companies deserve YOU.
"They will always low ball." - Not always, the last time I was lowballed only by one of the 4 companies I got an offer from. Mind you it was in 2018 but I think that the chance is even lower for that nowadays.
@@yuriikrasylovych3939 Huh? No, the rest of the companies didn't lowball me at all, actually I've accepted one of the three remaining offers and still work for the same company in fact.
I rocked an interview. I am an SME with 10+ and 30+ in the field. I found out later that my competition was, well, less than 5 years in the field. Anyway, I got an offer, and I apologized and said if I knew that was the offer, I would not have applied. I chatted with HR about what I expected and where I was flexible. A few days later, I got a tad more than I was looking for. I was willing to walk away. I know what I bring to the table, and due to issues, I was able to step up well beyond what they hired me for. It is about knowing what the market will bear and being able to prove you are worth it.
I have a policy that I won't accept pay that's lower than my minimum wage restaurant job. In my mind, if they cannot even match the pay associated with a completely unskilled entry level job, they are not worth working for.
Erin, you saved me too! I negotiated using these tips and got $4/hr more than the initial offer (which was already not bad). Thank you SO much for helping so many women out there!
This is a great example, "however" you could also ask them to explain the salary structure, why theyre positioning you there, on that salary grade.... Then explain the value you'll bring and how you'll differentiate yourself (ie you're higher up the range from day 1). NB I'm slightly later in my career so tend to lead with "this is what i make and what I'd be prepared to move for" which avoids almost all this😂
@@smirbelbirbel level in at mate more than 60% is coming in stock options so the extra 10% cash (maybe?) is easily lost in the market noise. Know what you're going into or don't get out of bed that day👍🏻
This is great advice! My two cents is wherever there is an offer of a signing bonus be really careful to note the terms that apply with that and read your contracts carefully. Usually companies stipulate that you must remain in their employment for 12 months, you could be looking at paying that 2k back if you leave before the 12 months.
Your content is tremendously important!! Thank you for the weekly dose of much needed encouragement to go and get (communicate and argue for) the accurate compensation for the work I’m doing! You inspire me to archive for more 💛
After reviewing with the team, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to offer you more compensation and decided since you’re not a team player, we will be moving forward with another candidate😜 Edit: This is NOT a stab at Erin. She is awesome. This is just a sarcastic view of current times.
Only negotiate if your prepared to lose the offer if your rent is overdue and your threatened to homelessness take what you can get but if you have savings and can stand on your feet do this
@@dustintunis9347no I think they’re saying that if you’re in an okay place then it’s okay to negotiate for high pay/ take the risks of not getting the job, but if you really need that money then it’s better to just take what you could get and try to get into a better situation first..
Literally anyone who asks me for career advice, this is my number 1. I cannot emphasize enough on the fact that you can truly negotiate and get more. I’ve negotiated to hoti 50% of offered an got it. IT WORKS PEOPLE..! Just go for it. They’ll never think less of you but will definitely come back with a proposal better than before.
"Never accept the first offer" is what my manager told me when I was applying. Turned it into a 5% raise before I even started, and I turned it into a $20000 raise in my next job before I even started
Just be careful, as some companies like mine hr is who sets it. It was 2 months negotiating of my boss and hr to get my salary where it is as I jumped 3 paygrades and they wanted to lump it together instead of giving me all 3 bumps. If i would have said no then I would not have been given the position. Also when we hire hr gives us the salary. So some large companies there are no wiggle room
Yeah most of the time “let my review with our team and we’ll get back to you” results in them not getting back to you ever again… I work in a restaurant and my boss even has be use the “well reach out to you first” line when they don’t want to hire them. it’s sucks but it’s how most companies and businesses operate and since time = money and why waste time reaching out to every single reject instead of the people you actually have interest in hiring?
@@sierrab5010 but I ask for more money when I’m a great employee. You get what you pay for and when someone asks for less, they’re most likely either going to slack off or quit within the week. I think financially it’s better if they hire the more experienced person asking for higher pay because I think we’re more likely to stay and be great employees. The hiring process takes a lot of money and when you have to do it over and over again… I would’ve just hired the experienced person. Wouldn’t that be the smart choice? Instead of going through like 10 people?
Question - can you negotiate for a raise anytime during the year? I was baffled at my last job when during performance evaluations, I tried to then talk about a raise when I had good reviews. I was told they already finished the budget for the year and made the raises.. News to me. I also figured performance reviews were the time raises were given out.
and this is the truth. while this all sounds nice in youtube shorts, any interviewer has at least 3 people as a backup. if you dont go by their expectations they just look for someone who does.
Yes, sadly this is true. I'm UK based and most jobs here have a salary stated as part of their recruitment ad, so you can decide up front if the salary works for you and if you want to apply. Some jobs however give a scale, for instance £27-30,000 depending on experience or something similar. It's in these types of jobs that they usually start at the lower end and I find it extremely difficult (awkward / embarrassing) to push back on this. I did it once and was successful which I was very relieved about. But I've heard so many stories over the years were people push back and the company just says no, take it or leave it and move on to the next candidate :-(
It depends on the industry. If you're going into corporate or management or a "skilled" field, then they've probably invested some time and effort into the interview process and want you, particularly, to work there. If the position is replaceable, then they won't give two shits.
@incognitoburrito6020 Even in the same industry and same line of work there are big differences. In this time now where lots of companies fire people because they need to slim down the other companies know that they will definitely find someone and are merciless with the salaries. They prefer teaching the new people for months and giving them under minimum for the position instead of going even 100€/$ per month higher for someone actually skilled for a chemistry research position - also skilled labour. I didn't want to believe it. 😢 I'm glad that in my country most companies have a collective agreement they need to follow. With these I can calculate the minimum that I'm supposed to get and not get cheated out of what I deserve.
I needed this woman like a decade ago when I started becoming a substitute teacher. Now I’m homeless. I’ve helped thousands of people with their kids, and yet can’t afford to have kids or even live. It isn’t right. It’s good that Gen Z isn’t putting up with the current economy, but sadly it’s too late for Millennials.
So, once (and only ONCE) an old boss I had at a company where we had to reapply and reinterview every year called me to offer me my same job again. He said the number and I went "oof that's low" without thinking. Luckily, I had kept my contract from the previous year, so I could prove it was vastly lower. It helped that the company was desperate at the time. I think he hated me for the entire year, though.
Thank you for all your advice! My company just recently asked if I’d be willing to relocate and they totally hosed me on relocation money. The salary increase is decent but I don’t want to incur the cost of moving just because they need me in a different city.
Dear Erin, I am a freelance digital artist, and I am learning so many things from you. While I don't work in a company, I do have to talk with clients (old and new) and with you, I am learning how to be assertive when it comes to my prices.
This is only applicable when you have harder to find skills or are looking to change jobs but not out of your current one, sadly. Your first job, depending on the industry, may be a matter of what you can get. Every time past that however, this is an option!
Yup, that is what I would assume is going to happen. Even if you are offered a job that has a range salary, unless you somehow seriously put yourself above any other candidate. Which is what can happen after working there for a while.
No deal is always better than a bad deal, It's really hard to stay motivated and engaged in finding a better job when you're currently in a job that's not bad but not good either
“It’s not about what you need” direct quote from my boss. And she’s right actually. It’s about the scope of the role and the impact you can have in performing it well.
@@Amy-abc 'The employer doesn't care about your needs' is pretty useful info. I assume you've gotten a bigger increase in workload than in compensation after showing that statement wasn't enough to scare you off. The moment you agree to the assertion that your needs are irrelevant, you're done negotiating. Whether the original statement was the best way to word: 'I will be taking a job that pays at least this (because going lower is simply not an option for me) , can we figure out how, or should we just stop wasting each-other's time and I'll continue my search elsewhere?' But it is a valid situation.
I always see your videos on my feed and it inspired me to negotiate my student job salary. All my classmates were shocked because I don’t think it’s that common to negotiate when you are a student. But I had already done an internship in that same company and I knew they wouldn’t hire someone else. They said they would call me back next week but they didn’t call before the week after that ! So i was stressed ahah but in the end they accepted !! So thank you for teaching people how to stand up for themselves in the work place ! It’s hard 😅
In college we learned how to give good news and bad news, good news it’s like congratulations or Yes! I’m so happy so they know bad news is explain the situation or thoughts then ask like after considering or after thought etc with the rise in living etc
Just tell them someone else already offered you more. Better yet, have someone offer you more and then play the two companies against each other. Worked for me, even though I had no intention accepting the offer from the other company.
As someone who has been going to new jobs every 2 years. Honestly, the first one was great. But in all reality, I tell them straight up. The price that I go for after they offer me something.
Thank yoouuuuu. You give us so many great advice! I wish nothing but the best for you. I just passed a 9-month Medical Coding and Billing course and passed my NCCT exam! Will start looking for a job. Wish me luck!
All members of our staff are a part of the hiring process for my dept at my workplace. And they never allowed real salary negotiation before. If someone tried before, HR would tell us to pass on them. They wouldn't hire a negotiator. This last hiring period, though, they changed their minds about it. And we currently have a member of staff making more than me by about 8k. She's been there for a year and a half and I've been with them for 6 years. It's a frustrating feeling knowing that. It's doubly frustrating knowing that I gave my salary expectation at the beginning which wasn't unreasonable, and they lowballed me by 5K, and I accepted. I needed the job. I'm ready to move on, but I know I won't easily find another position right now. It's a rock and a hard place kind of situation.
It's all theatrics. If a company doesn't lowball you, either theu or the applicant don't know what they're doing. Always ask for more money. All offers are 6-15% lower than budgeted. Don't accept the difference as a sign-in bonus as this relates only to the first year.
I did this with my last offer and it worked, too. There's always the risk they could say no or rescind the offer if your ask is way over the initial offer they gave, but if you approach it with good market research, and emphasize what you're bringing to the company or that you have flexibility then more often than not you'll get close to what you're looking for. You can also ask for them to make it up in other ways, like more vacation days, too.
Erin, thanks for your advice, I started a job last week and I've been loving it so far, I have a good pay, lovely work environment and loads of other good things, so thanks for the advice on how to help us get good jobs we want
I had a head-hunter from a tobacco company contact me. As usual they were vague with their initial messages but after seeing the company I told them "any offer following interviews would have to be significantly above market value to make me consider working for a company in your industry." The head-hunter pushed, even stating that offers from his clients are always significant. So I asked more about the role and where it sat in their org structure. Then I checked the typical salary online and added 40k onto that. Told the guy I would only be able to accept at this salary on top of other package benefits. He did not respond back.
In India, at a fresher level, you either just accept it or leave it...the only time the negotiation works is if you are applying for a management position with a really good track record. or the company made you the offer first.
Protip if your unsure what the pay range is. See if the company has listing's for the same or similar position in New York, Colorado, or California. Those states have salary disclosure requirements so you can get a base line of what's reasonable sometimes.
I recently did almost exactly that for a new job promotion. My hubby was a bit concerned I was pricing myself out of a job I wanted, but I know my value and made sure to state what I was bringing to my new job in my counter offer and counter-counter offer. They met my ask! I was proud of me and my company.
Erin this is truly good but can you make one video about people to set their expectations based on reality? As in how ti really know their market value based on experience, degree, knowledge etc. Comparable with other in the field. Im so tired of seeing recently graduates or people without any background or experience in a field just asking for crazy salaries because they google it or saw a video
number 1 thing you learn when working and discussing anything is “let me take the time so I can thoroughly review your offer” type of response. You get any information when working very rarely do you need to respond in the moment. Especially if it’s on teams or something.
People need to negotiate, ALWAYS. They're typically gonna try to get you for lower in your payscale than you're worth, so you should counter at the higher end of that band.
Actually I did the exact same thing with a company but all the communication was via emails.. I sent the response email for negotiating the offer and they didn't reply, then I sent a gentle remember after 10 days, and the didn't reply either. That was awful, I really needed a job at that time
The best way to negotiate is from a position of leverage. I was always interviewing with multiple companies at the same time. Using another company's offer as leverage against the next was the best way I found to nudge the beginning salary offer up
These are amazing ❤ Thank you My next petition, I expect to be negotiating for the first time and it’s a lot less terrifying with some examples that I can actually see myself saying g
Yes always negotiate and do it well. Also don't be scared to switch jobs every couple of years or so as that's how you get real payrises. Just started a new job yesterday doing basically the same thing as my old job but getting paid 30% more
Where I'm from, if you try to negotiate they will just take the offer back and give it to someone who will accept the low pay. It happened to me and it was extremely hard to find another job after this.
Would love a video on how if a company offers you a lot more than you asked for or is fair market value, it's likely a red flag and you should take some time to think about it and come back with more questions before committing. Speaking from experience.
I live in the Uk and this video is great but it really puts things in perspective regarding the economies; 52,000$ is too small in America whereas 45,000 a generous conversion in the UK is absurdly high pay for a uni graduate
I recommend doing this for specialized roles, especially when you have leverage or a compelling case. My first job out of college, for a software engineering position, I negotiated my offer and got paid $15k more per year. My second job, which already had a higher starting offer than my previous job, I negotiated again and got around 10k more per year. Know your worth and ask for what is fair. However, don't go into salary negotiations without research and planning first. You need to build a case for yourself using what leverage is available and advocating for yourself. Companies seem to expect negotiations from my experience. Neither of my job offers was necessarily unreasonable based on my skills, experience, cost of living, and market research but I knew I had the skills, leverage, and time to ask for more and I got paid more as a result.
The thing is, even if the match what you ask for, I don’t want to work for a company that does that to people and essentially discriminated against people who are too scared or shy to ask for what they need.
My response was leaving and not calling them back to let them know if I wanted the job or not (they did offer) but they weren’t budging at all on a 7$ per hour difference, and I make more money at the current job which is actually way less work.
I was about to take an offer that was advertised at a certain wage on the listing. Come to hiring me and their offer, it was lower than their listing bracket. Even tho the difference was negligible, i didnt want to deal with a company that couldnt keep their word as a first impression. I was met with a lot of backlash, but i am so done with companies thinking they can pull a fast one with new hires or employees
I hate bonuses they tax the crap out of them and normally there is in fine print that if you leave before 1 year you have to pay every penny back even though you didn't get ever penny.
At work at the beginning of 2023 I asked for more money than the minimum we get every year on my performance meeting. I explained my low rate mistakes, high performance, staying longer when needed or starting earlier, working 6 days/a week, not reporting sick, etc. They told me they will let me know (still waiting at November). Another colleague, working less time than me who was caught twice sleeping at work (with pictures of him the second time) who time ago was frequently leaving his working place to go to talk with girls gets more money than me because he asked and they said yes. Sadly sometimes is just about the perception they have about their workers or frienship.
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Ps: my comment was NOT a stab at you, you are awesome Erin. It was a sarcastic view of the dumpsterfire we are currently living in. I wanted to make that clear!
How should I go about this when I work at the organization already and they want to promote me for less than I need?
Could you show how to counter an new offer? (I.e. get offered $52k, negotiate for $62k, get offered $60k (no sign-on). How do you counter that? Or do you just drop?)
Question. I’ve been watching you for quite some time now. So I was wondering how do I tell my manager that I’ll need some accommodation with my job.
I’m a Muslim. I don’t sell haram (like pork or alcohol). I recently got to know that they’re selling pork. We don’t have much of it, like a pack is sitting there in the fridge in the hotel. But I need to not sell those due to religious reasons. I don’t know what to do, because the people here are absolutely sweet hearts, and serving guests is my interest.
I always use this tactic and literally doubled my Market value
Erin just saved my butt with negotiating. I got a much better schedule and a larger sign on bonus! Thank you!!!!
YAY!! 🎉
"You got this!"
Guess you got that!!
Congrats!!
@@AdviceWithErin Seriously, thank you for educating us! ❤
so.... all you had to do.... was be nice n grateful for the offer, say you cant accept it, counter offer, meet in middle.
am i missing something here? because to me it sounds like a normal conversation if youre looking to gain something out of it. also i wouldn't practice negotiation on your 60k dollar job offers. learn to negotiate buying second hand crap off craigslist. but ah, i guess i didnt account for gen-z's expectation of being given it without proper communication
@@MrPaxio Haha yeah, but I guess you have to see where some people just accept offers without negotiating on the cause of afraid of being rude then having to get another job to pay the bills😅, then there are entitled people or just non professional people I guess but yeah, oh I'm so bad at like negotiating items prices like in markets, I would get intimidated pretty quick😅
As an HR person I can tell you it is essential that you get the highest pay you can going into the job.
Once at a company it's much harder to get pay increases. And since future increases, bonuses, 401k match, etc are usually a % of your salary, coming in low compounds and even future increases won't make up for the loss.
It's essential to negotiating pay for everything except in the very lowest level jobs.
Yes! That's the risk of taking a lower pay plus a signing bonus; since future numbers are based off of that base pay (not including the bonus) you end up on a much "shallower" path going forward.
They may have more latitude in signing bonuses, but that's at the expense of longer-term gains.
That 60k+2k turns into 60k next year - a pay CUT. Even if there's a modest COLA raise, you might not see 62k again for a few years.
I just find the concept of negotiating salary on signing so strange. Unless you have some quite specific sought after qualifications or a pretty high end job.
Like I just feel for most positions if they decide on you and you say ok cool great but I want more won't they just decide on hiring the other applicants?
@@DeathBlocks exactly my question
What if HR tells you their salary is fixed for this position?
Someone I knew told me this story:
He interviewed an amazing woman for a job on his team. HR gave him the offer letter to pass along. He pushed back to HR: too low. HR said it was ok, because HR EXPECTED THE APPLICANT TO NEGOTIATE UP ABOUT $4K ANYWAY.
This person told HR: WOMEN DON'T NEGOTIATE UP. And he advocated for the $4k HR had expected to adjust to after negotiations.
He then passed on the higher offer letter. THE WOMAN ACCEPTED IT WITHOUT NEGOTIATION.
I want all women (and men!!) to know this!
Also, if you're in a leadership position, you can also advocate for your team like this. Your workers will be happier and know you have their back.💪🤑
I did this for the person substituting me in my role, she still works there and is a great employee, it's much easier for someone on the inside advocate for the new person joining, this should be a thing.
@@susmateja this makes me realize that advocating for ourselves is not something women easily do, but advocating for others we do easily do.
So maybe we're not broken or weak at all, just different.
And connecting and helping has its own advantages and strengths - those who advocated and who were advocated for in all these comments work harder for each other and both become better assets to a company. Social connection reduces toxicity too.
I wonder what would have happened if she DOD advocate for herself and have a counter offer after this happened in the background?
I also wonder if she ever knew about what that hiring manager did for her?
@@amandacurtis7245 indeed. I imagine he would have said he'd already negotiated for her, but he would pass along her offer.
Personally, I'd like to see more systemic change than individuals bearing the burden of change and assimilation.
Lastly, I got invited to their holiday party, and I made the effort to pull her aside and tell her what had been done. She was grateful, but I pressed her: you're worth more and next time, you need to ask for more. It took some pressing for this to sink in. Her partner understood what I was saying though. So I'm hoping it will change the course of her career.
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I tried negotiating for the first time ever at a job interview after I quit my last job because the pay was too low and I was too scared to ask for a raise. They said they would have to discuss it with the owner and get back to me. I thought for sure I wasn’t going to get offered the job after asking for a higher wage, but they actually increased their offer! I asked what their salary range was for the position and told them that in order to accept the offer, I would need the higher end of that salary range to be my starting wage. I ended up accepting another position at another company because it paid more than even their increased offer, but I’m learning to have more confidence and I love it. Thanks for the encouragement Erin!
This does not work in companies where they see you as easily replaceable and do not value skill and experience
Well if you have no skills to negotiate that’s not their fault. If it’s a low skill job they can pay low cuz there are plenty of prospective employees.
@@dirtyderkusCompanies treat TALENTED people like shit. If they're lowballing this bad they're going to be a nightmare. Just move on. Refuse the offer and let them know and warn everyone you can about this shitty company.
Why would you apply or work for a company like that anyway?
@@valeriemacias6285 i have no choice. My city work market is now filled with indians and Pakistani. Out of 50 jobs i applied, only 2 responded. And i love food and not starving.
@@valeriemacias6285because half of all existing jobs are that, you just expect half of all americans to fucking die or something?
I always go the “surprised and disappointed” route with an offer. I act completely stunned that that’s all the money they’re offering and was expecting X much more. Hilariously it puts the HR reps into a bit of a panic and I’ve always gotten more money that way. It’s shocking how well it works.
Hi!/this sounds genius. Could you ellaborate a bit more on that?
Yes, please elaborate!
Please elaborate!!
Elaborate
Elaborate 👺
I had a hiring manager be sneaky and ask if I accept a job before bringing up compensation. I was interviewing at different departments within the company I was currently at because i currently hated my job and the pay. I finally got scheduled to meet with the hiring manager who said basically, "Congratulations! We have selected you out of all our applicants to offer this position to! Do you accept??" And i was too excited and just said "Yes thank you so much!" At which point she said "Great! Sign here (*signs*), your pay will "blah blah* and you start next Monday, have a good one!" And as i left the room my heart just sank and I got nauseous. It was BARELY over what i was currently making, and i was so mad at myself for accepting without taking initiative to ask first, but was too embarrassed to bring it up after the fact. A lesson i never forgot but learned the hard way.
The other sneaky thing they're doing is having you state your preferred pay BEFORE they send you an offer letter. They're banking on you having no idea what their range is, so you throw out a random number; and then if it's too high they won't move forward with you and if you later realise it's too low, they can say "but you literally asked for this pay". There is virtually no way to get out of it, because if they don't like the number you give them, they'll just ghost you.
@@LordofFullmetal I gullibly answered to thig by saying it has to be at least xx amount (I stated my old salary) and guess what, my offer was only 1,000 more than my old salary. I learned to ask for their range and never to give a random number!
@@LordofFullmetalIn my country, asking the expected salary is the norm. They ask you about this in application forms, even before you get shortlisted for any interview. Not sure if this is the case in other countries but I've hardly ever applied to companies where the expected salary question isn't the first thing to be asked out of the gate
Man, one company I was applying to not only asked about my expected salary during the application, but also asked if I'm open to negotiating my expected salary 💀 Like why else would they ask that if not to check if they can lowball you??? It was so transparent
I want to genuinely thank you, Erin, for posting these videos. I've never been taught how to negotiate and also never realized that everything (especially wages) are always negotiable. I just negotiated with a new job and they accepted my counter offer. I never would have done that without you spreading this information. Thank you so much
this right there yup! Same here when i realise the gold mine of content Erin had i insta subbed.
I was able to quit my job from 34k a year and transfer to one that would give me 52k. Yes I did some about a month searching for another job but the fact I was able to leave sick a toxic place was totally worth it! And of course I followed some of your tips to negotiate and give them a proper range!!!! Thanks and good luck to everyone, you can do it guys!!!!
"Are you able to help me get there" ooooh, that's so good!
They will always low ball. Everything is a negotiation. You only get what you ask for. However, knowing how to spot red flags is a skill you can develop alongside negotiating skills. A company will never value you MORE or treat you BETTER than when they are trying to land you. Offers that seems completely out of line with the role, the market, and your experience are often signs of trouble ahead. Know when to negotiate and when to cut your losses. Not all offers or companies deserve YOU.
"They will always low ball." - Not always, the last time I was lowballed only by one of the 4 companies I got an offer from. Mind you it was in 2018 but I think that the chance is even lower for that nowadays.
@@CoolKoon Or you are underestimating yourself
@@yuriikrasylovych3939 Maybe you meant to say "overestimating"...?
@@CoolKoon "only by one", which, most likely, means that one company LOWBALLED you, 3 other just slightly lowballed you
@@yuriikrasylovych3939 Huh? No, the rest of the companies didn't lowball me at all, actually I've accepted one of the three remaining offers and still work for the same company in fact.
I used this wording with an offer eight months ago. Best salary so far.
I rocked an interview. I am an SME with 10+ and 30+ in the field. I found out later that my competition was, well, less than 5 years in the field. Anyway, I got an offer, and I apologized and said if I knew that was the offer, I would not have applied. I chatted with HR about what I expected and where I was flexible. A few days later, I got a tad more than I was looking for.
I was willing to walk away. I know what I bring to the table, and due to issues, I was able to step up well beyond what they hired me for.
It is about knowing what the market will bear and being able to prove you are worth it.
If it's $25k lower than expected or more, I won't negotiate, I'll just move on.
Agreed, they're in the wrong talent pool at that point.
I have a policy that I won't accept pay that's lower than my minimum wage restaurant job. In my mind, if they cannot even match the pay associated with a completely unskilled entry level job, they are not worth working for.
What if it’s $10k lower than I expected? This just happened to me on Friday and I’d like to call them tomorrow to figure something out 😭😫
Erin, you saved me too! I negotiated using these tips and got $4/hr more than the initial offer (which was already not bad). Thank you SO much for helping so many women out there!
This is a great example, "however" you could also ask them to explain the salary structure, why theyre positioning you there, on that salary grade.... Then explain the value you'll bring and how you'll differentiate yourself (ie you're higher up the range from day 1).
NB I'm slightly later in my career so tend to lead with "this is what i make and what I'd be prepared to move for" which avoids almost all this😂
If you lead with that, they'll offer you exactly what you ask for, not more, and you lost all room to negotiate up.
@@smirbelbirbel level in at mate more than 60% is coming in stock options so the extra 10% cash (maybe?) is easily lost in the market noise. Know what you're going into or don't get out of bed that day👍🏻
I used your advice and advocated for myself in a new role and I got a raise!!! I'm so happy, thank you for your advice ❤
This is great advice! My two cents is wherever there is an offer of a signing bonus be really careful to note the terms that apply with that and read your contracts carefully. Usually companies stipulate that you must remain in their employment for 12 months, you could be looking at paying that 2k back if you leave before the 12 months.
Yessss these "how to say" videos are so helpful for someone shy like me still learning "corporate-ese"! Why is it a whole new language!? 😅
Your content is tremendously important!! Thank you for the weekly dose of much needed encouragement to go and get (communicate and argue for) the accurate compensation for the work I’m doing! You inspire me to archive for more 💛
After reviewing with the team, unfortunately there is nothing we can do to offer you more compensation and decided since you’re not a team player, we will be moving forward with another candidate😜
Edit: This is NOT a stab at Erin. She is awesome. This is just a sarcastic view of current times.
Then their loss!
Only negotiate if your prepared to lose the offer if your rent is overdue and your threatened to homelessness take what you can get but if you have savings and can stand on your feet do this
@@CyberFlare-fn9kn: So, if you're broke stay broke?
@@dustintunis9347no I think they’re saying that if you’re in an okay place then it’s okay to negotiate for high pay/ take the risks of not getting the job, but if you really need that money then it’s better to just take what you could get and try to get into a better situation first..
#realworld
Not sarcasm
Literally anyone who asks me for career advice, this is my number 1. I cannot emphasize enough on the fact that you can truly negotiate and get more. I’ve negotiated to hoti 50% of offered an got it. IT WORKS PEOPLE..! Just go for it. They’ll never think less of you but will definitely come back with a proposal better than before.
Thank you so much for the great advice you give here on your channel ❤
"Never accept the first offer" is what my manager told me when I was applying. Turned it into a 5% raise before I even started, and I turned it into a $20000 raise in my next job before I even started
Did this and they said no thank you we can’t go higher ….😑😑😑
Yeah that'll happen
Those who don't try have a 0% success rate
#realworld
Did this and they ghosted me.
Yeah at least you tried. It’s not guaranteed to work but at least you won’t accept an offer knowing it’s less than you need/want to earn.
Just be careful, as some companies like mine hr is who sets it. It was 2 months negotiating of my boss and hr to get my salary where it is as I jumped 3 paygrades and they wanted to lump it together instead of giving me all 3 bumps. If i would have said no then I would not have been given the position. Also when we hire hr gives us the salary. So some large companies there are no wiggle room
Whenever I ask for more money, I just don’t get the job. They always hire the cheapest person ;-;
Yeah most of the time “let my review with our team and we’ll get back to you” results in them not getting back to you ever again… I work in a restaurant and my boss even has be use the “well reach out to you first” line when they don’t want to hire them. it’s sucks but it’s how most companies and businesses operate and since time = money and why waste time reaching out to every single reject instead of the people you actually have interest in hiring?
#realworld
@@sierrab5010cuz humans are courteous, treating others how they want to be treated
@@sierrab5010 but I ask for more money when I’m a great employee. You get what you pay for and when someone asks for less, they’re most likely either going to slack off or quit within the week. I think financially it’s better if they hire the more experienced person asking for higher pay because I think we’re more likely to stay and be great employees. The hiring process takes a lot of money and when you have to do it over and over again… I would’ve just hired the experienced person. Wouldn’t that be the smart choice? Instead of going through like 10 people?
But you shouldn't either settle for less because your bills matter too
Question - can you negotiate for a raise anytime during the year? I was baffled at my last job when during performance evaluations, I tried to then talk about a raise when I had good reviews. I was told they already finished the budget for the year and made the raises.. News to me. I also figured performance reviews were the time raises were given out.
This is such a hard thing to negotiate but you made it feel like a breeze!!! Thank you!!!
I did this and the CEO straight up refused any negotiation. He was a bad guy for many other reasons too.
Dodged a bullet
This just went straight to my bookmarks for when I start applying for data analyst roles in March. Thank you Erin for this helpful guide.
Sounds like you have a specialized skill but don’t get too excited this is not how it goes usually . Best of luck
“Unfortunately I can’t accept this…”
“No problem, bye!”
and this is the truth. while this all sounds nice in youtube shorts, any interviewer has at least 3 people as a backup. if you dont go by their expectations they just look for someone who does.
Much more realistic .
Yes, sadly this is true. I'm UK based and most jobs here have a salary stated as part of their recruitment ad, so you can decide up front if the salary works for you and if you want to apply. Some jobs however give a scale, for instance £27-30,000 depending on experience or something similar. It's in these types of jobs that they usually start at the lower end and I find it extremely difficult (awkward / embarrassing) to push back on this. I did it once and was successful which I was very relieved about. But I've heard so many stories over the years were people push back and the company just says no, take it or leave it and move on to the next candidate :-(
It depends on the industry. If you're going into corporate or management or a "skilled" field, then they've probably invested some time and effort into the interview process and want you, particularly, to work there. If the position is replaceable, then they won't give two shits.
@incognitoburrito6020 Even in the same industry and same line of work there are big differences. In this time now where lots of companies fire people because they need to slim down the other companies know that they will definitely find someone and are merciless with the salaries. They prefer teaching the new people for months and giving them under minimum for the position instead of going even 100€/$ per month higher for someone actually skilled for a chemistry research position - also skilled labour. I didn't want to believe it. 😢 I'm glad that in my country most companies have a collective agreement they need to follow. With these I can calculate the minimum that I'm supposed to get and not get cheated out of what I deserve.
The way you share responses helps me set up healthier boundaries and teaches me the lingo to be my own advocate. Thank you.
I needed this woman like a decade ago when I started becoming a substitute teacher. Now I’m homeless. I’ve helped thousands of people with their kids, and yet can’t afford to have kids or even live. It isn’t right. It’s good that Gen Z isn’t putting up with the current economy, but sadly it’s too late for Millennials.
hey good luck to you I hope you can get back on your feet!!
I did it!!! And it worked!!! Thank you for giving me the courage to go for a better offer. 🎉🎉
Oh boy Erin! This is always something I struggle with after the offer. Thank you for your advice❤
Hello your advice enabled me to negotiate a good bit higher above minimum wage when I started my new job. Thanks!
So, once (and only ONCE) an old boss I had at a company where we had to reapply and reinterview every year called me to offer me my same job again.
He said the number and I went "oof that's low" without thinking.
Luckily, I had kept my contract from the previous year, so I could prove it was vastly lower.
It helped that the company was desperate at the time. I think he hated me for the entire year, though.
I just used your advice to succesfully negotiate a higher salary with my new job. Over a 5k raise from my previous position and way better benefits!
Thank you for all your advice! My company just recently asked if I’d be willing to relocate and they totally hosed me on relocation money. The salary increase is decent but I don’t want to incur the cost of moving just because they need me in a different city.
Dear Erin, I am a freelance digital artist, and I am learning so many things from you. While I don't work in a company, I do have to talk with clients (old and new) and with you, I am learning how to be assertive when it comes to my prices.
Recruiter: "Okay, no worries. We have a hundred other qualified candidates that will take it for the price we offered. Take care!"
This is only applicable when you have harder to find skills or are looking to change jobs but not out of your current one, sadly. Your first job, depending on the industry, may be a matter of what you can get. Every time past that however, this is an option!
Yup, that is what I would assume is going to happen. Even if you are offered a job that has a range salary, unless you somehow seriously put yourself above any other candidate.
Which is what can happen after working there for a while.
I love your voice!!! Could listen to you alllll day!!! Great tips they are very practical and helpful too!!!
No deal is always better than a bad deal, It's really hard to stay motivated and engaged in finding a better job when you're currently in a job that's not bad but not good either
The wording I use is "I believe $x may better fit my needs at this time. Would it be possible to discuss this further?"
“It’s not about what you need” direct quote from my boss.
And she’s right actually.
It’s about the scope of the role and the impact you can have in performing it well.
I would avoid talking about “needs” and more what appropriate compensation for the role 🙂 it’s a stronger stance! But love the last line 💯
@@Amy-abc 'The employer doesn't care about your needs' is pretty useful info.
I assume you've gotten a bigger increase in workload than in compensation after showing that statement wasn't enough to scare you off.
The moment you agree to the assertion that your needs are irrelevant, you're done negotiating.
Whether the original statement was the best way to word:
'I will be taking a job that pays at least this (because going lower is simply not an option for me) , can we figure out how, or should we just stop wasting each-other's time and I'll continue my search elsewhere?'
But it is a valid situation.
@@Amy-abcya fuck that, it's not what the company needs either then
I always see your videos on my feed and it inspired me to negotiate my student job salary. All my classmates were shocked because I don’t think it’s that common to negotiate when you are a student. But I had already done an internship in that same company and I knew they wouldn’t hire someone else. They said they would call me back next week but they didn’t call before the week after that ! So i was stressed ahah but in the end they accepted !! So thank you for teaching people how to stand up for themselves in the work place ! It’s hard 😅
Guys seriously, it never hurts to ask. Always be respectful, kind, and confident.
anyone job searching in a remotely competitive field knows that it 100% can hurt to ask
In college we learned how to give good news and bad news, good news it’s like congratulations or Yes! I’m so happy so they know bad news is explain the situation or thoughts then ask like after considering or after thought etc with the rise in living etc
I really appreciate these - I go to anger with these types of situations, and your communication prompts are really illuminating.
This is actually the first good piece of advice ive heard from this channel
i remember when i learned i could negotiate my salary …. thanks for this tips to grow me even more
you are out here making so many lives better and i hope you know that!!
“Yay” 😂
Just tell them someone else already offered you more. Better yet, have someone offer you more and then play the two companies against each other. Worked for me, even though I had no intention accepting the offer from the other company.
my daughter ALWAYS speaks up for herself. .negotiates every 3 months .she often the highest paid & the youngest.CUZ SHE DEMANDS IT !
As someone who has been going to new jobs every 2 years. Honestly, the first one was great.
But in all reality, I tell them straight up. The price that I go for after they offer me something.
From 52 to 60 + 2 is a big leap. Not sure it is very realistic. But I love the negotiating skills you are teaching!
Thank yoouuuuu. You give us so many great advice! I wish nothing but the best for you.
I just passed a 9-month Medical Coding and Billing course and passed my NCCT exam! Will start looking for a job. Wish me luck!
Erin thank you so much for making these shorts,
I'm just starting out and your advice really helps.
All members of our staff are a part of the hiring process for my dept at my workplace. And they never allowed real salary negotiation before. If someone tried before, HR would tell us to pass on them. They wouldn't hire a negotiator. This last hiring period, though, they changed their minds about it. And we currently have a member of staff making more than me by about 8k. She's been there for a year and a half and I've been with them for 6 years. It's a frustrating feeling knowing that. It's doubly frustrating knowing that I gave my salary expectation at the beginning which wasn't unreasonable, and they lowballed me by 5K, and I accepted. I needed the job. I'm ready to move on, but I know I won't easily find another position right now. It's a rock and a hard place kind of situation.
It's all theatrics. If a company doesn't lowball you, either theu or the applicant don't know what they're doing.
Always ask for more money. All offers are 6-15% lower than budgeted. Don't accept the difference as a sign-in bonus as this relates only to the first year.
as a guy with zero social experience you are a fucking godsend
much appreciated Erin
Ok I’ve been hard on some of her videos, but this one is excellent. Really good. Do this for sure.
I did this with my last offer and it worked, too. There's always the risk they could say no or rescind the offer if your ask is way over the initial offer they gave, but if you approach it with good market research, and emphasize what you're bringing to the company or that you have flexibility then more often than not you'll get close to what you're looking for. You can also ask for them to make it up in other ways, like more vacation days, too.
That was good! Price anchoring for a much highs ask gets you a lot more money once you’re comfortable with negotiating
Erin, thanks for your advice, I started a job last week and I've been loving it so far, I have a good pay, lovely work environment and loads of other good things, so thanks for the advice on how to help us get good jobs we want
So glad I've found Erin. I'm currently on the job hunt and just binging her vids is super helpful
I had a head-hunter from a tobacco company contact me. As usual they were vague with their initial messages but after seeing the company I told them "any offer following interviews would have to be significantly above market value to make me consider working for a company in your industry." The head-hunter pushed, even stating that offers from his clients are always significant. So I asked more about the role and where it sat in their org structure. Then I checked the typical salary online and added 40k onto that. Told the guy I would only be able to accept at this salary on top of other package benefits. He did not respond back.
In India, at a fresher level, you either just accept it or leave it...the only time the negotiation works is if you are applying for a management position with a really good track record. or the company made you the offer first.
I had to do this twice. I felt empowered to do it because they reached out to me.
Perfect! I’ve handled these types of discussions and this is the best way to do it
Protip if your unsure what the pay range is. See if the company has listing's for the same or similar position in New York, Colorado, or California. Those states have salary disclosure requirements so you can get a base line of what's reasonable sometimes.
I recently did almost exactly that for a new job promotion. My hubby was a bit concerned I was pricing myself out of a job I wanted, but I know my value and made sure to state what I was bringing to my new job in my counter offer and counter-counter offer. They met my ask! I was proud of me and my company.
I've used this exact approach with a promotion offered by my previous company and it works!
Erin this is truly good but can you make one video about people to set their expectations based on reality? As in how ti really know their market value based on experience, degree, knowledge etc. Comparable with other in the field. Im so tired of seeing recently graduates or people without any background or experience in a field just asking for crazy salaries because they google it or saw a video
number 1 thing you learn when working and discussing anything is “let me take the time so I can thoroughly review your offer” type of response.
You get any information when working very rarely do you need to respond in the moment. Especially if it’s on teams or something.
People need to negotiate, ALWAYS.
They're typically gonna try to get you for lower in your payscale than you're worth, so you should counter at the higher end of that band.
Actually I did the exact same thing with a company but all the communication was via emails.. I sent the response email for negotiating the offer and they didn't reply, then I sent a gentle remember after 10 days, and the didn't reply either.
That was awful, I really needed a job at that time
The best way to negotiate is from a position of leverage. I was always interviewing with multiple companies at the same time. Using another company's offer as leverage against the next was the best way I found to nudge the beginning salary offer up
These are amazing ❤ Thank you
My next petition, I expect to be negotiating for the first time and it’s a lot less terrifying with some examples that I can actually see myself saying g
Yes always negotiate and do it well. Also don't be scared to switch jobs every couple of years or so as that's how you get real payrises. Just started a new job yesterday doing basically the same thing as my old job but getting paid 30% more
Had to come back to this video cause it came in handy. Thanks!
Where I'm from, if you try to negotiate they will just take the offer back and give it to someone who will accept the low pay. It happened to me and it was extremely hard to find another job after this.
Would love a video on how if a company offers you a lot more than you asked for or is fair market value, it's likely a red flag and you should take some time to think about it and come back with more questions before committing. Speaking from experience.
I live in the Uk and this video is great but it really puts things in perspective regarding the economies; 52,000$ is too small in America whereas 45,000 a generous conversion in the UK is absurdly high pay for a uni graduate
Thanks for the tips!
I recommend doing this for specialized roles, especially when you have leverage or a compelling case. My first job out of college, for a software engineering position, I negotiated my offer and got paid $15k more per year. My second job, which already had a higher starting offer than my previous job, I negotiated again and got around 10k more per year. Know your worth and ask for what is fair. However, don't go into salary negotiations without research and planning first. You need to build a case for yourself using what leverage is available and advocating for yourself.
Companies seem to expect negotiations from my experience. Neither of my job offers was necessarily unreasonable based on my skills, experience, cost of living, and market research but I knew I had the skills, leverage, and time to ask for more and I got paid more as a result.
I’ve been negotiating a contract for 2 weeks now. Wish me luck 😅 Should be finalized in the next week or so.
Update plz lol
@@socalchick_3581 Definitely not what I hoped but slightly above the minimum I’d be willing to accept 🥲🥲🥲
Actually useful advice here. ❤
This is so hard in the uk now as they tell you the pay on the pre interview phone call and refuse to negotiate anything so i never get anywhere
Love your videos!!
The thing is, even if the match what you ask for, I don’t want to work for a company that does that to people and essentially discriminated against people who are too scared or shy to ask for what they need.
Can you do some videos of when these techniques don't work out/go south so we have a toolkit on how to react.
My response was leaving and not calling them back to let them know if I wanted the job or not (they did offer) but they weren’t budging at all on a 7$ per hour difference, and I make more money at the current job which is actually way less work.
I was about to take an offer that was advertised at a certain wage on the listing. Come to hiring me and their offer, it was lower than their listing bracket.
Even tho the difference was negligible, i didnt want to deal with a company that couldnt keep their word as a first impression. I was met with a lot of backlash, but i am so done with companies thinking they can pull a fast one with new hires or employees
I am a big believer in discussing salary upfront. I’m not about to waste theirs and my time after 8 interviews to get to this point.
Ngl their HR team did a brilliant move.
I hate bonuses they tax the crap out of them and normally there is in fine print that if you leave before 1 year you have to pay every penny back even though you didn't get ever penny.
At work at the beginning of 2023 I asked for more money than the minimum we get every year on my performance meeting. I explained my low rate mistakes, high performance, staying longer when needed or starting earlier, working 6 days/a week, not reporting sick, etc. They told me they will let me know (still waiting at November). Another colleague, working less time than me who was caught twice sleeping at work (with pictures of him the second time) who time ago was frequently leaving his working place to go to talk with girls gets more money than me because he asked and they said yes.
Sadly sometimes is just about the perception they have about their workers or frienship.