Ahmet Kuru: Why are Muslim-majority countries more authoritarian and less developed?
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- Опубликовано: 13 ноя 2020
- Our guest is Ahmet Kuru, professor of Political Science at San Diego State University.
We talk about his book, "Islam, Authoritarianism, and Underdevelopment: A Global and Historical Comparison".
Here's the Amazon description of the book:
Why do Muslim-majority countries exhibit high levels of authoritarianism and low levels of socio-economic development in comparison to world averages? Ahmet T. Kuru criticizes explanations which point to Islam as the cause of this disparity, because Muslims were philosophically and socio-economically more developed than Western Europeans between the ninth and twelfth centuries. Nor was Western colonialism the cause: Muslims had already suffered political and socio-economic problems when colonization began. Kuru argues that Muslims had influential thinkers and merchants in their early history, when religious orthodoxy and military rule were prevalent in Europe. However, in the eleventh century, an alliance between orthodox Islamic scholars (the ulema) and military states began to emerge. This alliance gradually hindered intellectual and economic creativity by marginalizing intellectual and bourgeois classes in the Muslim world. This important study links its historical explanation to contemporary politics by showing that, to this day, ulema-state alliance still prevents creativity and competition in Muslim countries.
Link to the book:www.amazon.com/Islam-Authorit...
Link to Ahmet Kuru's website: politicalscience.sdsu.edu/peo...
Behzodbek aka juda zoʻr podcast boʻlibdi.
That was an extremely thought-provoking conversation, and props to you for getting such scholars on the show! The issue of clergy-state interconnectedness in the Muslim world stems from the questions of legitimacy, in my opinion. If we look at how Erdogan retrofitted what used to be an utterly secular state into Islam-centered Turkey that we know now, we see that Muslims, by and large, prefer their Islamic roots' representation in government even at the expense of diminishing personal liberties.
Well, CHP is still present, and in 2019 they had won big.
I do not understand what you mean? Are you saying that authoritarianism is better for countries with Muslim majorities?
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The topic discussed in around 1:01:00 made me feel the dejavu. Admittedly, the muslim society, especially those who have some kind of power usually do not let others speak about religion. They perhaps think that one who wants to talk about Islam should have extraordinarily more knowledge.
Thank you for conducting an interview with Professor Ahmet, it was really insightful and engaging. I think his book "Islam, Authoritarianism and Underdeveloped" is worth reading, because from a single interview he was able to give a lot of perspectives on the critical questions that Islam world is facing.
Appreciate your work and can't wait to see another great scholar in your upcoming videos.
Great conversation. Thank you both
Tons of thanks Bekzod aka!
Jamiyatdagi muammolarga yechim topishda uning ildizlarini, kelib chiqish sabablarini bilish kerak, albatta. Fikrimcha o'sha sabablarni tushunish haqidagi eng, eng foydali muloqot bo'libdi.
Ishingizga Alloh baraka va rivoj bersin. Xalqni ma'rifatli bo'lishida xizmat qilyapsiz albatta. Biz siz uchun duodamiz, siz esa bardavom bo'ling!
Assalomu alaykum Behzod Hoshimov men har doim Hoshimov iqtisodiyotini kuzatib boraman, juda qiziqarli va mazmunli suhbatlar bo'ladi ishlaringizga rivoj tilayman. Sizdan iltimos oxirgi ikki suhbatingizning subtitrlarini qo'ysangiz. Suhbat haqida keyin fikrlarimizni bildirardik!!!
Bekhzod aka, thanks a lot for the interesting conversation. I have a question regarding the protection of citizens by state, which You and Prof. Kuru discussed. The point Prof. made is that historically in Europe people living in cities and urban areas had less self-protection instincts, leaving their security to authorities and army, while people in villages mostly had to protect themselves by their own, they have more courage and will to fight against "agressors" due to lack of attention from the authorities. I would like to use this discourse to the case of Afghanistan, as the authority of government in this country nowadays (and in the past) is anything but spread across country. The invasion of Soviet Union in late seventies was not tolerated by afghan people, primarily because of opposed soviet ideology, they fought against the interveners, grouped into mujahideen. Same situation was and is with the resistance of people of Afghanistan to the invasion of Western alliance in 2001, lead by the US. Now the question. It's obvious, that people are suffering from the terror of "Taliban", maybe much more than from the Soviets or Western forces. Taking into account the abovementioned theory of self-protection of people in lack of government authority, why people of Afghanistan can not unite against the "Taliban"? Is this due to the tribalism and lack of a single afghan identity? Or the islamic nature of the ideas of "Taliban" are influental and acceptable to the people, that make people ignore their terroristic approach?
What a well articulated question and made me curious about it too
I think, they were talking about Charles Tilly argument, that the divisions and chaos and the threat of invasion were one of the main dependents of the formation of Europe.
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Orqa fonda Uzbekistan va Anti-Monoply degan kitoblar bor ekan)))
Thank you very much Behzod bro, appreciate your effort. I gained a lot of knowledge. Please keep going and May Allah give baraka to your career and increase your knowledge!
Рахмат. Жуда мухим ва кутилган сухбат.
Wonderful discussion.
I truly appreciate for the talk. Very interesting. Samimiy minnatdorchilik bildiraman, Behzod aka. Koʻpchilikning hayolida boʻlgan savollar muhokama qilinibdi
Subtitrlar chiqmabdiku
Bekzod aka rahmat zo'r chiqibdi
Thank you for great conversation
Great discussion. Thank you for this video.
Bekzod aka, thank you very much for a absolutely great conversation! Really enjoyed it!
Behzod aka ishlaringizga omad!
zo'r suhbat bo'libdi, katta rahmat
Juda foydali suhbat bo'libdi, rahmat kattakon juda ko'p foydali ma'lumotlar oldik. Charchamang Behzod aka
Amazing conversation, I adore when there is topic related to comparisons,history, politics and religions.
I myself study politics in abroad, I watch almost every episodes of this channel. Bekzodbek, we look forward to observe more Eastern schoolers.
We hope soon our beloved motherland (Uzbekistan) gains economic development.))))))
Very sad that our own Uzbeki identity is very broken, islamists, moderates, russophiles, turkophiles, west-oriented, nationalistis, agnostics, ateists!
This is huge challenge of unity for all of us
Behzod, thanks so much for organizing such an insightful interview. It helped to get answer some of my questions, clear my doubts, and solidify my understandings related to our religion! Keep going!
P.S. The book is already on my reading list and the video in my Telegram channel.
That's great topic to know about it)
Assalomu Alaykum Video uchun Rahmat. O'zbek tilida to'liq tushunib bo'lmayabdi, google translateda qilinganmi? Ha, tilni tezroq o'rganishim kerak.
Behzod aka great job actually
I think you had to discuss renossance time especially al-Ma‘mun time several interesting things happened that time
I watched it two times!
Hey, Shaka aka, do you know English?
Subtitle yo‘qku hali?
Яхши сухбат булибди
Assalomu alaykum, Behzod. Hope you're doing well! I am texting from San Diego State Univ., Dr.Kuru said "Hi" to you. He recently reminded me a few things. How can I contact you to discuss them or get advice? Thanks in advance.
email me!
Men ham shu savollarga javob topishni hohlar edim
твиттердан салом
#respectbro
Zo‘r
Recpect
Zorr
Жалко что не я знаю английский, теперь буду учить
Union among bourgeoisie is important 👏 🤙
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subtitri ishlamayapdi begzokbek.
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Ajoyib!
Aynan men kutip yurgan suhbat
Inglizcha subtitr iloji bulsa quysangiz.
Musulmon davlatlarining rivojlanmay qolishi ularning aksaryatining tabiy resurslarga masalan neft gaz oltin va boshqa qazilmalarga boyligi emasmi?Yani ularning borligi sababli intilish yóq
Authoritarism is not only a political, but also a psychological phenomenon. I have got the impression that the theories about the "authoritarian personality" / "authoritarian character" by Adorno / Fromm are missing in this book: the origin of an "obedient society" is a punitive parenting style. If you look at the wikipedia website "child corporal punishment laws" you might agree (because you find very few muslim states that have banned it).
Children severely punished (abused) turn out leftists. The authoritarian personality is just a theory of some philosophers.
Afsuski subtitrlar orqali intervyuni deyarli cunib olmayapti... tarjimasi umuman cunarsiz, ma’noni ushlab olish qiyin bovotti, eng yaxwisi professionlarga berib tarjima qilgan yaxwiroq, ozinginzni tarjimangiz bolgani ucunmi intervyu mantigini ilgash qiyin bolmoqda
Nima uchun musulmon mamlakatlari bozorlari erkin emas
Manimcha musulmonlarni qoloq va johil holga kelishiga sabab manbada, mullalar, uydirilgan hadislar, rivoyatlar, payg‘ambarga sig‘inish(sunnat ko‘rinishida) aynan shular ixtiloflarga sabab bo‘lyapti. Qur'on ni yagona manba qilib olish kerak, shunda ixtiloflar yo‘qoladi, "ilm" deb hisoblangan keraksiz malumotlar massasi ham axlatga tashlanadi.
American ( flawed ) democracy
Ока, хотя бы субтитр ташаб кетсез буларди, кийналиб кетти-ку одам.
Шу ун тил органиш кереде
@@user-jd7oz4kh1x Булди👍
Subtirlar qo'yildi
Nihoyat
Узбекча акцент
Потому что Маркс сказал 150 лет тому назад: Фатализм стрежень Ислама.
значит не правильно сказал
@@shokhrukhabduahadov3985 кто ты что бы Великого Маркса критиковать???
@@shokhrukhabduahadov3985 твоих мозгов примата мало что бы понять Его.
@@IncognitoUnknown-fc2tu the country based on your "great"Marks opinions fell in 1991
@@shahbozbek491 чебурек, благодаря СССР количество узбеков увеличилось в 10 раз.
I think Ahmet Kuru is Wrong
Китобни туркча варианти борми?
Aka hind yoki o'sha taraflardan. Hindcha ingliz tiliga o'xshab ketyapti
Bu olim turk ekan. Shuning uchun aksenti sezilyapti
I think the main reason why Muslim-majority countries are more authoritarian and less developed is that they are stuck in old Dogmas and old traditions without implementing improvements.
Only by separating the church (or mosques) from government and with big support for science these countries can develop.
Ee qoyil inglizlayam xuyyet qip qoladi
Islam The Beautiful Religion
( Be Just )
Quran 5:8..
'' O you who believe! stand out firmly for God, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the > HATRED OF OTHERS TO YOU < make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear God. For God is well-acquainted with all that ye do. ''
Quran 4:58
'' Indeed, God commands you to render trusts to whom they are due and when you judge between people to judge with justice. Excellent is that which God instructs you. Indeed, God is ever Hearing and Seeing.''
( God's The Rules Of War )
Quran 2:190
'' Fight in the way of God > THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU < but do not transgress. Indeed. God does not like transgressors. ''
Quran 2 :193
'' And fight them on until there is no more oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression. ''
Quran 4:90
''.........So if they withdraw from you and cease their hostility and offer you peace, in that case Allah has not granted you permission to fight against them.''
Quran 8:61
''And if they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.''
( Stand Up For Justice )
Quran 4 :135
'' Ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to God, even as against > YOURSELVES, < or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for God can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily God is well-acquainted with all that ye do.''
( Who Are The Good Human Beings? )
Quran 2.177
'' Righteousness is "NOT" that you turn your faces ( In Worship ) toward the east or the west but [true] righteousness is [in] one who believes in God, the Last Day, the angels, the Book, and the prophets and gives wealth,> IN SPITE OF LOVE FOR IT,< to relatives, orphans, the needy, the traveler, those who ask [for help], and for > freeing slaves < [and who] establishes prayer and gives charity; [those who] fulfill their promise when they promise; and [those who] are patient in poverty and hardship and during battle. Those are the ones who have been true, and it is those who are the righteous. ''
( Freedom To Believe And To Reject )
Quran 2:256
'' Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth stands out clear from error ''
Quran 10:99
'' And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed > all of them entirely < Then would you compel the people in order that they become believers? ''
( Tolerance For Other Religions )
Quran 109: 1- 6
Say,"O disbelievers,
I do not worship what you worship.
Nor are you worshipers of what I worship.
Nor will I be a worshiper of what you worship.
Nor will you be worshipers of what I worship.
For you is your religion, and for me is my religion."
( Protection for Idol Worshiper )
Quran 9:6
"And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are people who do not know. "
Quran16:125
“Call people to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good teaching, and argue with them in the most courteous way”
Quran7:199 “Be tolerant....”
( Friendship With Non Muslims )
Quran 60:8
'' God does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, God loves those who act justly. ''
( Do Christians And Jews and "OTHER" non-Muslims go to Heaven? )
Quran 2:62
'' Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,-> ANY { On Judgement Day }
( According to the Quran Christians and Jews worship TRUE God )
(Quran 3:113-114)
'' Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book ( Christians and Jews ) are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.''
Note: According to the Quran that Jesus is not God nevertheless Christians still worship one '' TRUE '' God.
( > Allah < Is The Protector Of Monasteries, Churches, Synagogues And The Mosques )
Quran 22:40
[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might.
( Why Are There So Many Different Religions In The World ? )
Quran 5 48
''...... If God wanted He could have made all of you a > single nation < But He willed otherwise in order to test you in what He has given you;(scriptures) therefore try to excel one another in good deeds. Ultimately you all shall return to God; then He will show you the truth of those matters in which you > DISPUTE submission < to God), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (Salvation)''
My explanation of above verse
Islam mean > submission < to God
( The above verse saying is that God will not accept a religion from the > MUSLIM < and the Non-Muslims but total > submission < to God.)
Question: How Can Muslim And the Non-Muslim > submit < to the God?
Answer: Be kind to other human beings and Do not lie, Do not steal, Do not cheat, Do not hurt others, Do not be prideful and Do the charity work.
( God Allow Muslims To Marry And Eat Food From the Christian And Jew And Vice Versa )
Quran 5;5
''This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture ( Christian and Jew) before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.''
( Kindness Toward Atheists / > APOSTATE < )
Quran 60:8
'' As for such [ of the unbelievers ( atheist) ] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, > Allah < does not forbid you to show them > kindness < and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, Allah loves those who act equitably. ''
( All The Terrorists / Killers Will Enter Hell Fire )
Quran 5:32
"......Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely......"
( Turned Your Enemies Into Your Best Friends )
Quran 41:34
"The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend."
( The Husband and The Wife Are > Protecting Friends < One Of Another )
Quran 9:71
''And the believers, men and women, are > Protecting Friends < one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey God and His messenger. As for these, God will have mercy on them. Lo! God is Mighty, Wise.''
Quran16:97
“To whoever, male or female, does good deeds and has faith, We shall give a good life and reward them according to the best of their actions.
Quran 30:21
“And of His signs is that He created for you from yourselves mates that you may find tranquility in them; and He placed between you > affection and mercy { Love }
The Prophet Muhammad said, “Heaven lies under the feet of your mother.”
( Human Are One family )
Quran 49:13
" O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things)."
( All The Racist People Will Enter Hellfire )
Quran 30:22
"And of His signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are signs for those of knowledge."
My comment:
The > BASIC < message of God to the human is that '' YOU '' believe in God and be kind to other human beings / > animals < and in the > RETURNED < God will > REWARD < you with a new life in Paradise.
* The Quran ONLY guides you how to become a good human being "Nothing Else".
* You are a good human being or a bad human being that is YOUR choice.
* No one can force you to become a good human being.
* You MUST work HARD to become a good human being.
* Why should ''YOU'' do good deeds and avoid bad deeds?
* Do Good - it's for You. Do Bad - It's against you.
* '' YOUR'' life is a TEST from God that you will choose to do either Good or Bad.
* Find the excuse to help others and forgive others NOT the other way around.
* '' YOUR '' final destination is either Hell or Heaven.
* So work HARD toward choice of YOUR destination.
Quran 17:7
'' If you do good, you will do so for your own good. And if you do evil, it will be to your own loss.''
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Just look how many views there are! Muslims simply are not interested in any kind of criticism of islam, period. We all have issues and our problems but islamic world will not progress and will stagnate in education and science. Your main issue is your religion itself. The way you people treat your woman inside of mosques continues when your families go home. The way you will change is by approach of how to change your religion to affect your families not people but specifically families. I still think your ideology is very similar to new radical leftist ideology. Very close minded and not open for discussion or any criticism.
Автор, какой же вы недалекий. Столько пробелов в ваших знаниях. Смотрю ваши видео, что бы знать на каком уровне находится узбекская экономическая и социальная мысль.
Автор, какой же вы недалекий. Столько пробелов в ваших знаниях. Смотрю ваши видео, что бы знать на каком уровне находится узбекский интеллектуализм. Ладно, что вы мало знаете, так у каша в голове из ваших скудных знаний.
Oʻzbekcha taglavha qoʻymaganliginlaringiz uchun qoralayman va ....
Bu juda primitiv fikrlash, afsuski. Asosiy e'tiborni bu suhbatining qanchalik chuqurligiga qaratishimiz kerak.