Accident Review Redding A36 Bonanza Takeoff
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- FlyWire reviews the A36 Bonanza Takeoff Accident at Redding, CA in August 2020. We need to learn about our airplane's performance capabilities and execute accordingly.
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Hi Scott. I was a close friend of the pilot of this accident. I actually sold him my Cessna 150 to him about 12 years ago and his hangar was next to mine. He had been showing me the various planes that he was looking at and the A36 was one of them. He showed me all the equipment that came with it and he was very excited about this plane. I told him that it was a lot of plane. He told me after he bought it that he was going to attend a special 15 hour or so intensive training on the A36 which he did before the cross country flight home with an instructor. He really wanted a Diamondstar DA40 like mine for a very long time but when he started looking at planes this one caught his eye. It was his ultimate dream plane. As it turns out he would have been better off moving up to something like the Diamond. Your comments are really good and I hope that this accident teaches all pilots, new or old, that we have to really think about what we're doing in ANY plane.
Ron, I'm so sorry for your loss. I totally agree all of us, as pilots, need to stay sharp and on our game when we fly!
Ron, I’m sorry about your friend! Prayers to all his family and friends. God bless.
Hi Ron, I'm am also very sorry for your loss, and prayers go out to you, and your close friend's family, for their devastating and life-altering loss. Peace, one love, and God bless.
Ron . . . lessons learned here could be carried, to all walks of life. The 'quick & dirty' of this is ALWAYS plan. Doing anything ad hoc with have an inexorable high price to pay, for that moment as well . . . as long term !
I am a new owner of a36 , these videos really help me out . I feel very bad for the lost.
From an 8,000 hour, accident-free bush pilot: An astute presentation that imparts life saving advice.
Thanks John!
@@tomschwab5619 So very true. I would never boast about being an "accident-free" pilot.
@@arthurmontana8791 I think the subtle point from the guy who has flown so many bushes is that a long-lived career is best determined by honest judgment of when to taxi, vs when to stay at the tie-down.
Better to ditch the flight plan than the aircraft.
@@77thTrombone So true. However, there are times when "honest judgment" can be elusive. At times - sometimes just minutes when the decision is made - there are external and internal pressures and circumstances that can cloud one's judgment. One internal pressure can be something called "hubris". It's killed highly skilled, very experienced pilots and their crews. Those who boast about their flying time and accident-free record hint at that type of hubris.
@@arthurmontana8791 well said. I certainly see that point & concur.
I also recall a statement from a movie ("Anger Mgt?") _Emotions are like kids. You don't want them driving the car, but you can't put them in the trunk, either._ It can be tough keeping them rascals out of high-value/high-risk decisions.
Hi Scott! I learned to fly at O85 and received my license in June of 2019. I very much enjoy your videos and find them informative, intuitive, and thought evoking. On my second or third flight lesson I was eyewitness to a fatal C-150 crash while I was performing my preflight. The C-150 was accelerating on runway 33 for takeoff when his engine sound caught my attention. The aircrafts engine was definitely in distress, and as an A&P mechanic, you know the sound of an engine not performing correctly at takeoff power. What baffles me to this day is that the takeoff roll continued. You know how the apron is where the flight school operates out of at Benton. My line of sight to the accident aircraft let me see the aircraft at about the 700 foot mark on the runway, yet the aircraft continued with the sound of the engine getting progressively worse. The C-150 rotated and struggled to climb at about the 1300-1700 ft position on the runway, broke ground, the engine continued to deteriorate, and at the threshold of RWY 15 the C-150 began to mush and the climb ceased. The pilot further pitched the aircraft up, the left wing started to drop, and I could see full left wing up aileron being used. The airplane seemed to pirouette off of its left wingtip, the nose abruptly went almost straight down through the vertical, the airplane disappeared from sight as it disappeared over Placer Street, and two or three seconds later I heard the bone jarring crunch of the airplane hitting the ground. My first thought was “Why didn’t you abort, why didn’t you stop?” I think it was probably one of the saddest crashes I have ever witnessed. I will never, ever forget that lesson! Needless to say, I cancelled my lesson that day, had to think a bit about that one!
That is an amazing story! What a shame!
Wow..TO witnesses would change anyone's perspective hopefully your in a positive way..making you much better pilot are you still flying?
It's obvious sir. Your concern for safety while flying, comes from the heart. 👍♥️
To all pilots who want to enjoy their flying to a ripe old age, listen to pilots like this guy who know what they are talking about...A fan from the UK
Thanks Capt Ken! I loved my time in the UK!
I fly a normally aspirated A36, have for years, and would never consider 4 passengers on a 2400 ft runway, under any conditions.
Combined with high altitude.
Scott, I've been a very "blessed" pilot, in the fact that my decisions were not always grounded, yet here I am. You have opened my eyes. Can't ever thank you enough, sir.
Hi Scott, I bought a 35 Bonanza back in 1965. I had been in a Bonanza a few times and had no retract time, nor any flying time in a Bonanza. I flew it for 20 years, with no accidents. I found it to be a very easy aircraft to fly. Other friends had no reason not to let me fly their Bonanzas. Mu first tail dragger was a Boeing Stearman, which I also flew for 20 years. I learned all I could from friends that had Bonanzas. I'm sure they can get you in trouble, if you let the aircraft fly you!
My Dad always said fly the airplane, don't let the airplane fly you...
These videos are important ,they may not be nice to do ,but they are important they can save lives and stop mistakes being make ,keep them coming ,I'm all for saving someone's live.
Another brilliant insight. These videos are so important for all pilots and anyone interested in flying. Keep 'em coming.
For PP SEL like myself who has spent my 30 years of flying from an airport with 7200 and 6100ft runways, watching a video like this is even MORE informative because a pilot like me could take a situation like that for granted. Well done.
Really appreciate what you're doing here. Hoping to be a new private pilot in this next month. This is really well presented and has definitely helped see more clearly the importance of performance and bail out planning and sadly the high cost of failing to do so. Always have a bail out. Thank you Scott!
I remember my uncle's wife's brother flying over my uncle's house outside Prague Oklahoma circa 1975 in an A-36. Awe inspiring. My uncle had a Debonair and would take me up and teach me basics like how not to get lost or disoriented. Important stuff. We can never stop learning ever. Really appreciate these great learning videos Scott.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for bringing this up! I get tremendous value from these. We have to learn from these accidents
After watching a bunch of your videos, thank you! I’m sure what I’m(we) am learning from you will save my life or someone else’s one day. Im very thankful for it.
Perhaps something else to consider is the procedure for short field take off is pretty standard in small planes. Full aft, full power and wait for it to fly, whereas in the bonanza that’s not the case. It’s plausible that ignorance and inexperience on both the PIC and CFI is causel. Either is cause for all of us to seek more training and knowledge.
I think this video is one of the best “what can we learn from this accident?” videos I’ve watched.
Thanks Kieran!
You remind me of my drivers ed instructor in high school in the late 60's.
He was a retired california highway patrolman. I still hear and appreciate his calm, reasoned voice to this day. I was a normal, somewhat impatient, somewhat know it all kid; but every word out of his mouth was so logical in every dimension of the driving experience, from the reason for driving laws, car performance, road conditions, human nature of both driver...and other drivers...as well as employing a personal moral ethic/ responsibility to driving. His process was impeccable in ever facet. I didn't fully understand at the time how I had fit myself into his template. It is a template that has been adaptable to every aspect of my life.
Just wanted you to know how important your work is to those able to understand your offering.
Thanks Terry, I'll take that as a compliment;)
Scott, I LOVE Flywire.
RE: 1989 A36 runway over run
Great analysis. In the 1990's I was 1/2 owner of a 1978 A36 Bonanza. I never really liked this airplane. I have 750 hours in a C-172 RG I bought new in 1980, and I guess I'm partial to the old Cessna
Say, in this video, your elevator trim tab is still in landing configuration. Please just be sure to set it back to Take Off position. For what it's worth, I always trim for take off before I hanger my plane. Yup, I've taken of with my elevator trim set like this and got a real surprise!
Thanks for covering this Scott!
Thanks Juan! When are you coming to training?
blancolirio glad to see someone is concerned with aviation
Is he saying in other words: obtain greater airspeed by using the ground effect for a increased rate of climb.🎈
@@johnfitzpatrick2469 Not really... I. am saying keep it on the ground until you reach a speed past computed rotation. This pilot tried to get airborne too early and that attempt wasted a lot of energy he absolutely needed.
@@FlyWirescottperdue Exact concept used at the airlines ... called and improved takeoff but basically overspeed the aircraft to obtain better 2nd segment climb
Thank you for your excellent presentation. It will save some lives. I started flying in 1965 and devoured the Plane and Pilot and Flying magazine’s accident analysis. One article about below VFR and the Tower saved me from a sure accident on my long X country.
As a student pilot with the dream of one day owning a bonanza these videos are invaluable.
"On a good bad scale, I don't think that's good" that had me laughing
Scott, Love your video's. Two points for me that are great take-aways : 1) Always reference your POH and calculate all pertinent information specific to your flight. 2) It doesn't matter who you have in the right seat, you are the PIC and you should plan accordingly. If it's outside of your personal criteria, then get with an instructor and practice this prior to any pleasure flights with passengers. It really hits home for me because I fly with friends that are professional pilot's.
Keep the video's coming.......
Thanks Scott, there is so much to learn from aircraft accidents and you pointed that out with this particular terrible mishap.
Scott, really nice breakdown of the performance. When a new to the T/M/S aircraft and part-time pilot flies close to the airplane limits it’s a good idea to have someone familiar with that aircraft do a reality check. Learning never stops
I think videos like this is the new hangar flying
Scott, just purchased an S35 after transitioning from a Cherokee 180. I'm 17 hours in an it's a dream to fly. I appreciate your videos and knowledge and look forward to your new videos. Please keep up the good work! You're doing a great service to us newbies.
Thanks Ben. Enjoy the S35.
Very good reminder of the steps for planning for visiting an airport, especially calculating the abort distance. That is not covered enough in training.
I bought (poorly maintained) Cherokee 140 in 1989 in the final 1/2 of pre private instruction. He taught me don't force it off the runway. It will only fly when it's ready. I love my stubborn little 140. So recently a year ago, I tried to force it off. It settled back on the wheels. This extended the takeoff toll. Technique is hold a little back pressure and she will float into ground effect zone when good and ready. I usually don't use flaps on takeoff. An article called it the stubborn little Cherokee 140. Keep in mind the airplane knows how to fly and she lets you go along for the ride; no sexual imeundo intended.
Jeffrey- Good job... listen to the airplane!
"Mitigating risk" is going to be part of my daily life in all areas. Good advice.
Thanks!
The 7 Ps...prior proper planning prevents piss poor performance.
@@joestalin5438 I try to live by that everyday!
Very well done Scott! Unique presentation and detailed crash analysis. Thank you!
Thank you Darren!
Scott
Yes I enjoyed this video I know it’s a year old however I just watched it today and I’m sharing it with my pilot friends
Excellent report
Bravo
Five stars
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Best wishes from Las Vegas Craig
Excellent breakdown of this accident. Your very thorough and well spoken. Thank you for your contribution to existing and future pilots
Thanks, Dan!
I’m a GA VFR 650 hr pilot and I train with CFIs and CFIIs at a min of 1.5 - 2 hrs flying time with an hr or so ground / week. Working on my Instrument rating. Thanks for posting these reviews..very helpful with my GA ADM .
Glad to help! Keep flying!
I think the thing that popped into my head, and I'm sure it's quite possibly the hardest thing for most human beings to be honest about in these kind of situations because of the "complications" that arise from the resulting decision, is your statement, " is this flight going to change the world?" That kind of honesty is so hard for us mortals to actually ask ourselves and deal with. Hence many of these accidents are the result. Great video and insight into needed info.👍
You're absolutely right there's nothing better than getting first hand detailed information to try to put the accident perspective. No article is going to cover the spectrum like you do thank you again for serving our country, and for providing safety and wisdom to Future pilots to understand our history we're less likely to repeat it. God bless you keep up the good work
Thanks Sean!
We need to learn from these accidents so when the others are in the situation they know the possible outcomes. I learned from this and thank you.
I appreciate that!
13:17-agree, fly like there’s no one else to help you fly.
Information that should be weighed in gold... Thank you Scott for the excellent presentation.
Thank you for taking time to produce these videos. I am not a GA pilot but I do fly with a friend who is very conservative. Your videos add to my thoughts while driving a car to the tune of 50-60K miles a year as well as run fast boats. In the boats you have to take many of the same rules into account. Thanks again, you help me be safe.
Thanks for the video Scott, I do believe these are really important for all pilots to watch and discuss.
Great analysis of this accident with emphasis on what we can all learn from it. This electronic hangar flying is great instruction. Good work!
Thanks Jim!
Thanks, Scott! AQP is the standard! Excellent insights. And review! Great clips and content!
Thank you sir. Although I'm not a pilot I'm sure those who do fly will really appreciate the information and knowledge you provided.
Was recently planning a flight to Redding in my Comanche 250. Planned the flight to Redding muni due to the length of the Benton runway
Good choice Tom!
Reminds me of a podcast by Jason Miller (TheFinerPoints) interviewing Brian Schiff on his refusal to take off with Steve Jobs and a lot of additional equipment on a short runway into terrain and hot weather. They drove to a better airport nearby, met the plane there, and had a safe flight. If it isn't safe, don't go, no matter who's asking! 👍😎
Great video. Part of preflight and pretake off briefing is the abort point. Verbalizing when committed to flight or not. Haven't done much high density altitude, but verbalizing the go/no go on the runway BEFORE power up, makes the decision much easier. Here, once powered up and over x speed, committed to flying, and plan to use all runway to do so with no out. Great video, and informative!!!
Thank you Richard!
I'll have to watch again , as a A/P mech. single engine fixed wing and a commercial rotary wing ,, this guy , looking at his hands he likes to work on his aircraft almost as much as flying them !!
Once again an excellent presentation. Thanks Scott. I was a CFI back in the '70s and I wish I had the knowledge back then I have now, I would have been far better.
I agree with you Scott, reviewing this mishaps in a constructive way is very important, we as pilots must learn lessons where we can find them, in this cases accidents gives us the opportunity to draw those lessons to wide our minds in order to not repeat fatal mistakes or situations, thanks por posting this videos
Mario, thanks and great point. We have to learn from others mistakes. The path to becoming a better pilot doesn’t lie with committing all the mistakes yourself.
Really good and instructive review, Scott. Thanks for sharing and on the emphasis of planning/training.
I have over 1000 hours in a 91’ A36 and this was a very informative video.
Well done ...
Thanks Patrick, I appreciate it!
That’s a BIG airplane!
great video ty you definitely get a feel of security when a cfi
is sitting next to you my prayers to all involved
I have not watched you a lot, perhaps 3 times, but you are clear and concise in your reviews. Most of what you say applies to life in general. PS. I am not a pilot.
I've used minimal airports but only when a better option wasn't available. RDD is only a 10 minute drive from O85. Why didn't they meet there and use RDD runway 34, which is about 7,000 ft. long? That would have given almost a mile of extra margin.
Clearly this pilot was not yet "at one" with his new airplane. The triple-threat of 1) at gross w/3 pax 2) short field 3) Not fully "at one" with plane - should have almost demanded him re-positioning to RDD alone. And this accident has little to do with a Fancy Bonanza, and everything to do with Basic Risk Factor calculation/evaluation. Good video.
I bought a Piper ArrowIV last year and ferried it from FL. I ONLY flew in good,clear wx, flew mainly over interstates, landed at bigger airports (with higher than "perfect" airspeeds), and turned down the wife's want to go along. I tried to stack the deck in case of grief on this "new to me" plane. I also have a rule about being near to a interstate with pax (if possible), they are trusting me with their well-being.
Keep them coming Scott. I agree that these are important. I also watch the ASI videos which are somber as well. Complacency can be lethal and we need to be reminded of it.
Outstanding analysis. Very non-judgemental, but calls a spade a spade. Excellent job! Will watch more of your videos.
Thanks!
I work in agricultural and commercial lending and there are so many parallels. The reason is both fields involve risk, albeit in aviation the range of outcome includes severe injury or death to the pilot and passengers. However, in risk management in lending there are very heavy consequences when there is “get there-itis” but instead it’s “we’re doing the deal-itis”. You have to leave yourself an out, a plan B, you have to accurately assess the real risk you are taking on (takes experience and directed effort), and have ways to mitigate
I grew up less than a mile from Benton Field. My grandfather actually crashed into that same hill at the North end of the runway while attempting to land towards the South. I don't know what year it was, but it had to be in the 50's or early 60's. Back around 1967, the neighbor boys and I had been pushing our bikes up a hill near our homes so we could ride down. The planes would circle this hill on final, and one of us noticed something being tossed from a Cessna. We watched it fall, and hit near a large oak tree, so we ran up 1/4 mile or so and found a paper grocery bag with a bottle opener, and a bunch of broken beer bottles. Someone had a party while flying.
I earned my pilot's license in Redding at the Municipal airport. Later when building homes my partner bought a new 1978 T-210 that we operated out of Benton Field. Flown in and out of Benton Field very heavy frequently carrying 2- 5-gallon cans of Navajo White paint, an airless sprayer, extension cords, and other tools. We would look at the temp and the takeoff graph ballparking weight of some items in the performance manual but never exceeded what was needed to get out of there. Redding can get to over 100 degrees like Texas but it is a lot dryer. At the time I weighed in at about 160, much less than today.
The T-210 if you've ever flown one takes some muscle to haul it off the runway even with takeoff trim. It needs some love to fly itself off the tarmac and my eyes were glued to the airspeed. I felt comfortable at 75 knots and just above. The stick is just heavy after liftoff including 10 degrees flaps, the gear and flaps retracted when the climb was well established. Then we made a right turn headed easterly climbing just to the peak of Mount Lassen on the south side then descended into Susanville and work on homes. Very sad to hear these events at an airport I know and flew out of frequently.
Appreciate the analysis, it reminds us of the importance of reading and applying takeoff data before each departure. I know we all have a tendency to disregard that when we fly alone which a lot of including myself have done. It would be better to make it a habit alone or with passengers to run a weight and balance anyway. You just might need it if you get ramped if the FAA still does that. Thanks for the information and advice.
The 36 series did make some concessions in performance to get the load/CG range it has. And you've got to pay attention to it!
A really good friend of mine,his son was involved in the horrible accident and was one of the 2 that lived but sadly passed away in the hospital about a month later.
I’m planning on getting my ppl in June 2021 and I totally agree with your take on the accident in review. Thanks for taking the time to bring awareness to current and future pilots!! Keep doing these videos.
Keep working and learning! When I flew fighters in the USAF we had a saying... Fight to Fly, Fly to fight and Fight to Win.... Fly, Fight and Win... or something like that. I have slept a few times since then;)
FlyWire- scott perdue I love it!!! Do you give ground school class to attain ppl!
@@ronna1522 Ron, thanks. Hadn't even thought of doing that.
@@FlyWirescottperdue We have a saying in the Army, when the Air force is still fumbling with their remotes, we will be on target, but it might be late. Great video and don't stop at your PPL, get your instrument rating! Keep training and fly with experienced pilots as much as you can!
Scott, you're good - you're so so good. Please keep posting.
My brothers platoon sgt still did an AAR after they lost people on a mission. Uncomfortable for sure but needs to be reviewed or nobody will learn. Thanks for covering it.
These type of videos and your effort are very important because as you hope, I have no doubt they save lives and or limbs.
Thanks Thomas, I hope!
As an A36 owner, this was pertinent and eye opening. Mentally, I have the mindset that 2000 to 2500 feet of run way is 'plenty'... I better get rid of those ingrained first thoughts.... Excellent and timely.. Thanks Scott
Thanks David!
“I think I can make it” kills so many pilots/friends/family. I have 65-hp ‘46 Champ and there is no room for “I think I can make it” whether in takeoff performance or weather. On calm hot days, even at my sea level 3900-foot concrete strip, I pick up my passenger at a nearby 6000-foot strip. Climb is sometimes as poor as 150 feet/minute-and I’ve learned that it’s not just a matter of safe takeoffs. When you come home, if you bounce a 65-hp Champ on landing at the 1/3rd point and go-around, you suddenly have just half a runway and the trees coming fast as you slog upward at 150/minute. I don’t bounce many but I want a LOT of clear space to drag my winged friend upward when very occasionally I do bounce her...
Finishing my private training with an instructor other than than the one that brought me most of the way...there were strong xwinds rolling and tossing the 152 on approach ... because of the pine trees so close..anywho, just near the numbers on approach he lost it the left, the plane rolled left. and became almost completely inverted...I seized control of the aircraft, spun her level and landed safely...His response, "..nice catch!" Just another example how my basic instructor's lessons saved my life..
Good job and a great reaction!
@@FlyWirescottperdue ...working on my commercial, CFII in theright seat...climbing out of Addison, max rate of climb to 3k to transition across DFW airspace to Ft Worth, the AH began to fail and slowly rotate uo raising horizon, ..the CFII began to take over and said "...what are you doing!" I refused. No,no, no....I replied, "...AH has just failed." He looked bewildered..a few moments later at 2500 I, continuing climb turned westward to 270 and 3k...taking a piece of paper I covered offending AH, I explained, " .....all other instruments confirmed stable flight...ergo, AH defective and not suitable for reference...If I had relinquished control to the "superior" pilot and CFII would, without a clue and woukd of pulled vigorously up following that single instrument, and in max rate of climb most likely would of put us in a power on spiral dive at about 1000ft....I've recovered once from one as another pilot inadvertently entered one...don't think a thousand ft would be enough...way to close if I did for comfort.
Excellent presentation. My takeaway is train the way you fly, fly the way you train. It’s sobering, and humbling, because there’s no such thing as a flight without risk. Risk is manageable to a certain degree, but always has a cost. In this case, it was tragically all-in for half the occupants.
Spot on, thanks for the comment!
Go through all the maneuvers locally and explore the performance corners of the airplane... Amen Scott.
Wow!! If Juan Browne watches this channel, it must be darn good!!
High Praise, thanks.
Scott, Good reminder to plan as if the take-off will go wrong...its not often enough that we do just that. Thanks for the reminder.
Great analysis Gunny. Also enjoyed your recent ABS joint presentation located under training on the ABS website. Thank you.
Great to hear!
pretty sobering story and very sad for all involved. thank you Scott
Good video Scott, you are correct. We as pilots need to review the facts and distill good and valuable information that can keep us safe when we fly.
Good points made.
Besides takeoff performance and accelerate-stop in a twin, I always cover having to come back and land when choosing airports with short runways. Many are often surprised when I ask for a short field landing and the result is MUCH more actual runway used than what they planned on, especially high density altitude airports with higher TAS on approach.
Often times I’m told, “I never use full flaps for landing”. Things can be quite different when the “usual” is a reduced flap landing on a 6000’ runway with inattention to the correct approach speed for the actual weight. A canned, one speed, POH approach speed based on maximum GW results in much more runway required than using a lower speed based on actual, IAS stalling speed for the actual weight flown.
I like to have them observe their actual, full flap stall IAS at a weight they commonly fly, add 1.3 to that speed and use that for a full flap landing speed. What a difference a few knots make. In a Cessna 150 with minimal weight change, not so important. In my 185 with more than a 1700# useful load and a few STOL kits, very important. The POH says 78 MPH at GW. I drop that to 65 or 70 at GW, depending on the conditions, and down to 50 MPH at lighter weights. Having angle of attack would be better yet. Something yet to do...
Use the POH recommended approach speed for landing at gross weight with an aerodynamically stock airplane. Approach and landing speeds can be adjusted from there. It used to be referred to as being a pilot and knowing your airplane. I’m old, so maybe I didn’t get the memo if that has changed.
Great analysis, in this situation it goes against gut feel to lower the nose and add airspeed near the end of the runway. It’s your only chance to get in front of the power curve.
Manny, I probably missed the memo as well.
I actually went from a 172 to a V35. But I went to my flight instructor and we sat down and made a training plan. We made sure we covered everything before I was able to solo and how many hours I needed to solo before hauling passengers. Unfortunately, we did not have a local BPPP Instructor so we had to improvise by coming up with a compromise plan. With all that said, I totally agree with your comments Scott. A Bonanza, not just an A36 or even any high-performance aircraft. You must have comprehensive training. Don't get overconfident, get familiar with the aircraft and its capabilities.
Excellent!
Your so right about what you are sareing with us. You can never learn enough about accidents. Thanks 👍
Thanks Philip!
Thankyou so much Scott for your wise words
"Is this flight going to save the world?" Many years ago at the Kelly/Lackland Aero Club a very experienced pilot said something very similar to me and I never forgot it. It recognizes a state of mind or an umbrella that covers all aspects of flight planning. Ask it before you make your plan, then after all the details of the plan are laid out, ask it again.
My Dad used to teach there as a CFI. After the Randolph AFB Aeroclub folded.
@@FlyWirescottperdue Small world. I was there when the flyers from Randolph came over. I wonder if your Dad ever mentioned “ Mad Jack?” He was a retired Chief that served as the manager and he was an accomplished sky diver. I had a great time there. Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Great explanation, Scott. The "70-50" rule-of-thumb was taught to me decades ago. AFTER I have done the homework, and elect to take off, I still want to see 70% of takeoff airspeed (or V2 in the larger stuff) by 50% of the field length. When conditions dictate 75-80% @ 50% of field length, then I get some coffee and re-think the program.
Scott, thanks for your analysis. I know how it feels discussing mishaps, especially when the final report isn’t out yet. I think you did a good job separating conjecture from fact but still adding your experienced take. I especially like the “leave yourself an out” discussion. I use this when teaching young Eagle Drivers who have their fangs through the floor as the support fighter in ACM. You know what I mean. Cheers
CD. Thanks. I appreciate it. Student tried to kill me once in ACM... very close run thing. I still see it...
You have a very important and appreciated job , it’s appreciated!
While at Le Tourneau University, Longview, TX, I decided that the school's Archers/Arrows weren't enough for me. I got checked out in a Beechcraft B-33 Debonair at an FBO at GGG. Having only a few hours in an Arrow at that point, I was signed off in the Debonair after 3 hours. I flew the Debonair about 10 hours during my stay in Longview, but I was never totally comfortable with the plane's higher performance. It was a joy to fly...fast, clean, stable, big, beautiful. But FAST! My friends I took flying were impressed with the plane AND with me! But I wasn't proficient. I often felt behind because of it's speed. I never had any issues, but in hindsight I should have had more instruction in the B-33. If I would've taken it into challenging terrain, airspace, or airports, or had problems, I could've easily ended up like the incident in this great video! Always get enough training & a thorough checkout from an experienced CFI in type!
Great input!
@@FlyWirescottperdue Hi Scott, thanks so much! Hey, you might've seen this comment already in another of your videos, but I'm new to DFW, moved to work on F-35s at Lockheed. I've got a commercial certificate/instrument rating with 300 hours & haven't been up in over 20 years! I want to get a CFI/II, MEI but I'm overwhelmed with all the schools in DFW! It looks like you're in the area, would you be willing to suggest a couple of good flight schools? Do you have an opinion on Part 61 vs 141? My goal is to instruct as a career, either part time while at Lockheed, or full time. Thanks!
I like what you said about figuring things will go wrong . Smart
Excellent! Just wonderful commentary and analysis.
This is true lifesaving content! Keep up your good work...
My first chief flying instructor at my first job said, remember you don't have to go flying, it's not the Battle of Britain.
I was told, many, many years ago by an eperienced pilot who flew them that V tail Bonanzas were called Fork Tailed Doctor Killers because although they were great airplanes, amatuer pilots with money just had to have them. A dream airplane. As for density altitude, most pilots that routinely take off "high" understand it. There was a Fokker Triplane replica which initially was flying along in high elevation just literally fell out of the sky when it found itself in the wrong denisity altitude situation. There is an interesting on board video on youtube of a high altitude take off that crashed when it ran out of runway.
I agree the information presented is a wonderful discussion to try to glean something from a terrible situation. I learned to fly in the ADF and RNAV days prior to GPS and computers. One trend I have observed in talking to others about their flight planning (or so it seems) is the basic calculation skills for things such as runway length and even weight and balance as well as Cg calculation seem to be less well imbedded in pilot’s pre flight prep. It is easy to become overconfident in your plane and its ability. I very much appreciate analysis of these terrible events as it is important to be able to discuss the missteps and decisions made prior to the event.
I'm afraid that's true Jim.
Most of what you say is absolutely true. But now the rest of the story. the plane was TN with a Tornado alley setup with GAMI injectors. The gross weight was estimated at 4100 by NTSB and FAA with density altitude of 2800 ft. Due to smoke the vis was 2 3/4 miles so the pilot who was VFR only recruited a CFI that was at the field and indeed had no Bonanza experience so they could file IFR. Keep in mins, this A36 had NO toe brakes on the right side. There are two videos and a witness that saw the rollout. the videos did indeed showed flaps up. The aircraft was clocked by a CHP officer at 60 knots at about halfway down the runway and the pilot did not power up before releasing brakes instead just rolled out on the runway. The videos show the pilot trying to force the aircraft off of the ground. Though it did try, it never really left the ground as it did not achieve the required flaps up 78 knots required but the pilot frantically operated the elevator and finally towards the end of the runway you could see the aircraft nose up in about a 30 deg angle then slam back down then go off the runway where then you saw a plume of smoke. 4 Major mistakes were made. 1) He should of flown to Redding muni to get his passengers. 2) He did not power up at the end of the runway then release his brakes as called out for short field take off in the AFM. 3) Per AFM he should of had 12 degrees of flaps, he did not. 4) Pilot should of done everything possible to abort that take off about halfway down the runway. I will agree that inexperience and overconfidence in the aircraft caused this crash.
Well done Sir. Awesome motherhood for preflight mission planning factors and basic airmanship. I think you hit the nail on the head with basic take-off performance planning. i.e. Accel Stop/Go distances and SID climb gradients. Always leave yourself an out, and accurate performance planning will help you decide when and how to do that. Excellent job! and Thanks for making our industry that much safer. Semper Fi.
Well said! Thanks!
Please don't say "I don't mean to judge".
You are judging and are correct to do so: you are not implying that the people involved are evil.
Your observations are bang on.. we all make mistakes but can only learn when they are pointed out and presented with the correct course of action.
We've all made mistakes flying and some of us (me included) are only able to comment by the grace of GOD.
Thanks Jet.
Listening to you it show that pilot decisions is literally life or death . I agree with you that training must be done and should be fun and life saving. It’s not embarrassing to need more training but should be recognised by all pilots as part of the course.
Great review. Learned some new facts re this mishap from your video. So sad when so many of these are preventable.
Scott, your analyses are amazing. I'm an older flying wannabe--probably will never actually get the chance, to actually learn, but if I do I'm going to watch and re-watch every one of these, with a notepad in hand.
I'd like to see you including some basic titles in to highlight key points, and then include them in the video description. At 14:34 you summarize these 2 key points:
1. Insist on a thorough initial training program for any new airplane.
2. Always, always, always have an abort option for every takeoff.
But I"m seeing a couple of others.
3. Don't go anywhere without calculating everything. Study, check and recheck the math surrounding the performance limits of your airplane.
4. Don't let down your guard because you happen to be flying with a more experienced pilot in the right seat. This one is of course perhaps relatively minor, but I thought very insightful.
BTW, perhaps you won't mind my including a link to Jon Kotwicki's (Fly8Ma) recent video that also covers points 2-3 very well, including exploring some of the thought processes that could lead one to go against better judgment: ruclips.net/video/wYRN-sWK8qc/видео.html
Good suggestions Jim. We'll see;)
I haven’t watched all your videos. This is a good one, thanks. If I don’t learn something new from every flying video or report I read, I’m not happy. Been flying 20 years or more, we can’t stop learning. I have never heard The term start stop runway length.
Of course I pick abort points. But The term start stop length put it in perspective For me. Thanks.
Always learning! No one is perfect.
I have brought similar loads into Redding in a TC bonanza and I opted to use the bigger Redding airport. The TN airplane has worse takeoff performance, I can't imagine trying to get one of those out of Benton at gross. Unfortunately the TN Bonanza's are attractive to people upgrading because the engine is relatively easy to manage and it is a ton of power but the shortcoming of the TN system are often overlooked.
Excellent comments. After 20 years of FBO management I saw many cases of pilots with more money than experience. Quickly upgrading to complex aircraft and getting themselves into trouble. As an industry this should be addressed. Insurance companies should not be the barrier. Check out training requirements should be defined and assured.
Great info on flying Scott. Sad situation when a 7,000 ft runway was on the south east end of the town.
Thanks Jon, and you're spot on.
I thought same thing Reading has a 7,000 foot small commercial airport. 2500’ fully loaded in my Warrior used to make me nervous. Why?
Thank you! And thank you for referencing Dan Gryder's AQP training!! If it saves 1 life it is well worth it, the more, better!! I lost my certificate many years ago due to medical reasons that will not get better. I do still have many good friends that fly. It just breaks my heart every time an airplane goes down in a preventable accident. Thanks again and God Bless. --gary
Thank your GTR. I hope you get to fly with your friends at times!