Plus, he's blatantly using copyrighted characters. So many levels of stupid. Gonna be hilarious if Nintendo decided "Hey, this guy looks like easy money."
Honestly i expected crap like this to happen when people forget the point of art is in general, expressing a creative design in one`s style. AI art itself already flips off it by basically turning it into a kitbash `gacha` of a program randomly generating crap with no care to a specific style and then likely filling in the `specifics later` as if you were the one who did it. Literally the carriage before the horse, except they not only did not buy the horse, but they expect it to still go twenty times faster then a horse drawn carriage when no actual effort (the horse) is even present to generate the kinetic energy to move the carriage in the first place. Overall, it only exists by feasting on existing materials to cannibalize itself into a very terrible image work which definitely cannot work in any comics or animated material because of the constant random changing of imagery that gives no fks to keeping it consistent, because it cannot understand the function of things like fingers or belts, because its a kitbash of random stuff, that without the stuff being segmented into likely hundreds or thousands of of layers with specific key terms, it STILL will turn into a terrible kitbash of crap. And do you expect ACTUAL artists to take an extra 1~8 months on each of thar artwork comissions to segment various layers with key terms and what not to let AI artists make use of it? Heck no.
But somehow ordering your kitchen staff the proper way to make a delicious meal does... What a mystery. AI is a tool. If you put garbage in you get garbage out.
@@mathis8210 If you are master chef in a kitchen. You can cook. Most of these ai bros have never touched a paint brush or drawing tablet. And seriously. Being the head chef in a kitchen is more a kin t o owning a business. If their staff made a meal. The chef didn't. That's just a terrible leap in logic man
yeah. Does creating vector graphics make you an artist? Does depicting a colourfull variation of the fibonacci sequence make you an artist? Does creating a website make you an artist? Does using photoshop make you an artist? What if you're able to take 'inspiration' of another artist and slighlty alter the work? Does that make you am artist? What if you just recreate their image with the inspiration of their image, you would need skills as an artist to do that, but is it art? The line is blurry and pretty undefined imo. You can spend hours upon hours learning about the generational AI framework, prompt instructions for a single image that might be completely unique to your vision and use the AI essentially as a paintbrush, does that make you an artist? But you could also just input "pirate dog in space, ultra hd, high quality" and be done with it. What if you take an empty canvas, some colour a brush, listen to a youtube tutorial about modern art and put down some random lines and colours on the canvas and manage to sell it? Does that make you an artist? I believe this is just a new tool to be used and some people are spending time on it and learning how it works and how the models itself operate and others just lazily play gacha with it until they get something that they can post and brag about.@@Gray1_9
@cyannight7364 Yeah, art comes in many forms. But how ai is being used is merely replication of existing art styles, that other artists perfected, by someone typing promts into a key board to get a product that is replicated from other artists' styles. Styles that were created using actual mediums other than AI. They are then selling the pieces, claiming to be an artist that creates original works. If it wasn't being used this way, I wouldn't hold this opinion. But you can hop into any server and see the ai art. My gf was able to tell who's style some of these AIs are ripping off, just by seeing it at a glance. It is that blatant.
@@cyannight7364 The line isn't blurry at all, actually. If you didn't pick up a brush, pen, stylus or chisel and put in the work, you didn't create anything.
They are literally the same people that jumped in the NFT thing. They are trying to capitalize on every single tech trend. And yet, most people are dumb enough to believe and follow these morons.
I don't dislike AI art, I've seen artist use AI and then work on stuff they generate, they mostly come out amazing. But for AI "artists" that put a prompt and then post it as is then have the guts to claim it as their work, or even worse, paywall the stuff they generate, I have no respect for.
@@Halfdeadperson I second this and appreciate the sentiment as someone who ADORES using AI to generate images so I can make comics out of them. Yeah, "you don't own AI generated art" is something I strongly support.
Kinda shit comment tbh, his whole career is based on Oda's work, which is drawn. The Art community is toxic, so is this youtuber, and that oscar guy. Art is toxicity in it's purest form, it has always been. Van gogh changed the entire world with his art, but in his lifetime, he died poor, alone, and insane. I wish everyone would stop using their mouths so much honestly. But that's such a wishful thinking coming from twitter and anyone who gives 2 fucks about what anyone says there, like this youtube guy and everyone involved in that tweet, including this animator employee who's spitting in the hand who feeds him.
@@squirrelhallowino29 Pick up a pencil and make yourself something you think is cool. Or I mean, go look at a image you like I guess. Nothing wrong with that.
@@WolfRaven-uh7og are you mentally a moron or something? Of course the artist is the person who took the picture. Is Leonardo Da Vinci not an artist because he bought his paint supplies?! How could a camera be an artist…same way pencils are artists. The person who made the camera isn’t an artist of the picture. Same way people that make pencils aren’t artists. Seriously were you dropped on the head as a child.
Give it time, and they'll call AI artists greedy for wanting the cost of the newest laptop for running the program. Companies will never stop being cheap.
Ehem... What's the problem here? I mean, if i think someone is greedy and i paying him more then i should, it makes total sense to find a way to pay less? I am genuenly confused.
Shit got so bad a One Piece animator actually threw a punch, and immediately apologized for his actions. 😭 Bro if second hand embarrassment could kill.
I think I could've typed this out better cause I can see this being taken the wrong way. I want to clarify that I was getting second hand embarrassment from that egotistical AI Art loser. Not the animator.
If an AI doctor can save an artist's life that artist probably won't be complaining about how morally wrong it is to replace human doctors with AI ones. In fact it is a moral imperative to save the artist's life with the AI doctor if the human ones are incapable of doing so. AI art is not about morality but of artists' survival.
That's way too kind. Words are what an author uses to create something. It's unfair to compare someone like Ernest Hemingway or even Stephenie Meyer to someone who says "make me a picture that looks like this". This is guy isn't a creator, he's like someone who commissions an artist to draw something for him.
It reminds me of the whole drama when an artist used a pose very similar to another drawing and a whole drama started lol This is even more pathetic, especially when all the AI images look the same anyway.
I think there is some context and more that's needed. For example, what if you're someone who created a famous quote, or something that `is a big "meme" these days, and then someone else stole it, and was claiming it as their own? That being said most of this guy's "prompts" are probably awful..... Also, I will say that there was as time `about 10-12 years ago, I was in a specific hobby/niche-industry, and had been using a word that all of a sudden other people were randomly using. I was a bit annoyed at the guy who was pushing the word (it was apparently part of a commercial or something and they liked it), and i kindly asked them to please stop using it via pm, and oh boy were they mad and made a post talking trash on me and I got a bunch of Hate.` Now I see that it might be a bit silly to have even pm'd him, but his reaction, was crazy. I shouldn't claim a word as my own, but when you say something for 3 years, and then all of a sudden others are using it like they have been saying it all this time... it gets annoying.
I mean, that's just the only thing he can hang onto, so he does. Putting in prompts is literally his entire input in the creation of these images and him seeing and selling himself an an AI artist means that's the hill he has to die on, for his own ego's sake.
Ai artists: it's ok to feed my software on random people's art without their consent, I'm just copying their style Same people: NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN SAME PROMPTERINO AS MINE! MY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY! NOOOOOOOOO!
That is indeed hilariously ironic, but you dont seem to understand what AI does. An AI does not contain its training data. There is also no reliable way to reconstruct the training data with an AI. It only relates words to trends in images. Literally "learning a style". Each image it generates is its own unique thing.
That is indeed hilariously ironic, but you dont seem to understand what AI does. An AI does not contain its training data. There is also no reliable way to reconstruct the training data with an AI. It only relates words to trends in images. Literally "learning a style". Each image it generates is its own unique thing.
Mr. Generative AI expert doesn't even know how to hide a prompt from a generated image, so when he post them online, he's basically giving out his prompts for free. 😂
The microwave comment reminded me of Gordon Ramsay's "Chef Mike" comment from that one Kitchen Nightmares episode where the kitchen was using a microwave mostly.
it's not even a microwave, it's closer to describing to your mom what cake type of you want baked and then taking credit for "helping" or telling friends at school you made it. Except the cake is a lie stolen from 20 different recipes and it's done by an adult more pretentious than a kid could even imagine being.
Go look up Alton Brown's microwave salmon fillet en papillote, though. You can do INCREDIBLE things with a microwave, if you understand how it differs from other kinds of cooking. AI is more like saying that being able to mix cocktails according to a preexisting recipe is the same thing as being a brewer.
Imagine going to school and befriending a dude who can actually draw, you then ask them to draw something following your every command and multiple prompts. Then the next day you show everyone in class the amazing drawing *you created* because of your amazing and accurate prompts. Dude's delusional, childish, and no amount of talk could bring him back to reality.
Prompt engineering is a real skill. But it's not the same as artistic skill. There will be a real market for AI prompt engineers, but I'd hope most of those people would understand that their expertise is in the manipulation of the AI tool and that they can't take credit for the actual product made by the AI. Their skill is in asking the right question, not giving the right answer, so to speak. This guy may or may not be an amazing prompt engineer, his delusion is in thinking this also makes him a good artist. It doesn't. These are completely separate skill sets.
Teachers then mark your drawings as fails because they notice inconsistencies (Abnormal/Extra hands or eyes and other organs, wrong hand positions, inconsistent coloring and lighting, Warped faces and other objects, etc). Hell the dude who worked hard on making art by hand has already a perfect grade because he shows appreciation and respect.
@@neilisawesome2333 Come on dude, those artifacts are already being phased out of AI art.. Sure they still happen, but not so often, there are tools to reduce the odds of it happening, and you can always retry if it happens. In a couple of years those mistakes won't be a thing anymore. If you check the frontpage of an AI art website, I bet you won't be able to find those things in 99% of the images.
@@Homiloko2 It shouldn't be called AI (nothing intelligent about it but the humans making this program) instead it should be called IAT = Industrialized Art Theft at least then it would be an honest description.
@@flerrin1754 And hell even if the prompts reduce the odds of inconsistent AI generated arts, they're still be problems for the art community in general.
@@mathis8210 You're funny. All your comments are just poor excuses for AI losers. Spoken like someone who had never touched a painting software or even tried to learn drawing in their life. You're only deluding yourself with how stupid your replies are. Good luck going around the comment section with your braindead logic. Yes AI can be a tool, but claiming a purely AI generated pictures as your "art" is just pathetic. AI is used to support our creative ideas and journeys, not be the sole hand that creates something. And trying to claim a copy right over it? Most ret*arded thing I've seen all year.
@@mathis8210 You're funny. All your comments are just poor excuses for AI losers. Spoken like someone who had never touched a painting software or even tried to learn drawing in their life. You're only deluding yourself with how st*pid your replies are. Good luck going around the comment section with your braindead logic. Yes AI can be a tool, but claiming a purely AI generated pictures as your "art" is just pathetic. AI is used to support our creative ideas and journeys, not be the sole hand that creates something. And trying to claim a copy right over it? Most ret*arded thing I've seen all year.
I feel like that's just what happens when you outsource every single thing that requires critical thought or skill to an AI. The heavy reliance on something like that doesn't encourage them to actually do any of the mental legwork themselves. I hope they like having smooth jello brains
I can't recall which comedian said this, but it was along the lines of, we have to stop giving killers cool names, we should call them the POS murderer, or that MOFO serial rapist, instead of Jack the Ripper or the Golden State killer. I think text generated image (or TGI) is a way better name than AI Art, the AI tag alone boosts their ego, so as long as communities keep using that, those people won't stop feeling entitled.
I would be more proud of drawing a crappy, non accurate Anatomy art of a beginner than a drawing prompted by a narcissistic AI 'artist' who claims to be an artist
So digital drawings are not art then, right? Its made by codes, programmed by the software developers. The "artist" just gives the prompts to the software. What if you use a brush to paint? Its actually the brush thats laying down the color. Have you made that brush yourself? Mayne then, you could claim you created art?
@@David-yk9fy No, if you just lazy work with AI, you make mediocre shit that everyone is bored of at this point. It takes skill to make something unique and interesting.
Holy shit, I thought this caricature of AI art bros only existed in memes. But this dude is out here living the meme, the poster child of incompetence and entitlement!
That's like telling a farmer that he isn't a rEaL agriculture worker cause the combine harvester did all the work instead of cutting every bundle of wheat with a sickle by hand 😂😂 Technology moves on, there are those who adapt and learn to leverage it in a constructive fashion and those who fall behind the times.
The farmer still drives the harvester. He doesn't just type in harvest field x. Also there is a lot of work you have to do before you can run the harvester over a field to make sure it isn't damaged. You have to go around yourself and clear any stones out that are large enough to damage the machinery. @@baraka629
@@CMan-x7k and you have to properly engineer your prompts to make an appealing outlook. An unknowledgeable layman attempting to drive a harvester and an inexperienced prompter for AI will both create a poor product without either learning or finding instruction.
His responses are even more embarrassing than his OP. Literally claiming he's a true artist lmao. Especially saying no one could POSSIBLY remake his awful "art".
And then crying furiously when he realizes all people need to replicate his magnum opus is to just copy-paste some prompts. Imagine being proud of having unrivaled talent to do good browser searches.
@@first__last first off, there's a lot of career positions that have long since lost any respect. usually those related to writing. just a bunch of pretentious assholes. but atleast we can take them seriously. this "prompt engineer" is something nobody is going to take seriously to begin with.
@@gusty7153 well to be fair, if no one would take prompt engineering seriously then no one would care about AI Art or mediocre artists losing commissioned work. So yeah, some people are hiring these people and others are getting upset because these people are getting hired. Which is I'd say people taking it seriously
He is entitled to being a luddite boomer. The term "luddite" came into existence for the explicit purpose to mock people who put up futile and inconsequential resistance to new technologies. So it fits to a T.
@baraka629 You remind me of John Hammond, spending so much time contemplating what you _could_ do with a new discovery that you can’t stop to think if you _should._ If the history of mankind has taught us anything it’s that any new advancement has its dark side, and humans, being corrupt, will immediately find and exploit it. The potential applications of AI generated imagery go far beyond the art community, and we’re already seeing the dangerous side of it. Those “luddites” are _right_ to be apprehensive about what this technology will unleash.
@@mathis8210 So you’re mad at him for not using a tool that any untalented artist can use to create images that wouldn’t normally be able to? He just has pride in what people can make, what’s wrong with that?
@@sibsart2039 Every untalented "pleb" can use any art tool. Everyone can drag a pencil across a paper. If you are unskilled the results are mediocre trash. Same goes for AI. Its just a slightly different kind of mediocre trash. You can quickly tell apart AI artists that are putting thought into their work nad those that just do the same boring shit over and over again. According to you he didnt "have pride in what people can make" at all! Quite the opposite, he called an incredibly impressive new tool, that PEOPLE MADE an "insult to life itself", was it? Dont come to me with that fluffy feelgood bullshit. A skilled artist can use tools like all of digital arts software and now also AI to ease up parts of their process and shift their focus on other things, leading to even more high quality results. Many Mangaka have to slave away their entire life just drawing if they want to publish regularly. Imagine if they could cut their time in half, by using AI to fill drafts with the characters you want and then just improving a few things here and there. What about designing some characters by yourself and then making an animation with them, using just AI. Thats not all that far off. Got a cool idea for a comic, but cant draw for shit yourself? Now you can make simple panels and test the water. Maybe you can get a skilled artist involved, once you are a bit more established. A tool is what you make of it. And an old man screeching at the weaving looms is nothing more than a pathetic looser.
I use an AI art generator for personal things like D&D characters and would never consider selling them. I still hire actual artist when I want something to give to my table as a gift.
I agree, if it’s just for personal use, and as long as your not trying to use it to profit or win a contest, it should be fine It can also be used for a reference if need be I have used AI for some ocs of mine but I swapped over to using picrews/nekas, and even drawing myself! Ai CAN be alright in some cases, but using AI does not make you an artist, although I would recommend learning to draw if need be, there’s tons of tutorials and searching for references is also an option And if you have money, there’s always commissions
They want the praise that an artist would receive without having to put any effort into it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a history of claiming other peoples art as there own
@@joshuacouture479 Literally once I found someone like that, first they stole digital art, then photos and then AI images from the internet lol and all with poor quality
There are AI producers who can't indeed produce art without their generators, but there are a lot who can. Because of how AI works it is pretty difficult to tell the difference, but they don't get the same results as typing a prompt is one thing, but having a solid artistic background is quite useful to chose best prompts and best results. I'm not sure it is a big point for most people looking at these results trying to make the difference, but at least all AI producers are not uncompetent artists, like all self producing artists are not competent either. Reality isn't as polarized as people looking at it tend to be.
Complaining about someone using the same AI prompt, is like complaining about someone using the same art program. The AI art was made by Mid journey after all.
No. If the AI art was made by Midjourney, then so too was the digital drawing made by Photoshop! Both are software that turns prompts into images. They are just tools. If you give them shitty prompts you get shitty images, if you give them good prompts, you get good images. But indeed the prompt is not anyones property. Only the image that results from it could be your property, if we remain consistent. If you give AI or photoshop the same prompts, you dont even have to get the same results. Many tools in photoshop include randomization aswell.
@@mathis8210 Truly said like someone who never touched a painting tool or even tried learning to draw something and put an effort in his life. Your reasoning is trash, it's just more excuse for AI losers to claim AI generated images as "art". Try thinking to better yourself for once instead of relying wholly on AI for an instant result.
I spend time on high quality AI art, but not in my wildest dreams would I claim any of the output as "mine". I use it purely for visual representation of various things in my TTRPG groups. That's what anyone who uses it should do, recreational purposes. At no point is any of it "yours".
Then, how is any digital drawing yours? You use codes, written by developers to produce it. And its also just a sequence of inputs you are giving the program. If you give it bad inputs, it will give you bad results. AI is just another digital tool that artists can use to make good art. But the tool alone is not enough.
@@mathis8210 Still physical movements of the hand doing the strokes there. It's just like inputting text into a photoshop document doesn't make it "your" font. I completely agree that AI is just another tool and I'd like to see it used by more people, but currently it's basically random generation on a level we've never had before. Don't get me wrong, I still think it's scummy af to take someone else's prompt and output and post it as if you discovered it, but by no means is the result "yours" specifically. I see it more like that, AI users make "discoveries", rather than a "creations".
@@ForsakenSanityGaming Don't mind him, just another brainless AI loser. You should see his other comments lol, it's quite funny how stupid they sound.
@@ForsakenSanityGaming My hand movements are writing the inputs for the AI. What if i use a drawing tablet to write the prompt? Is it then art, because i used a brush? What if i write a python code that produces i really cool geometrical art work? Is it not art, because i wrote it instead of drawing it?
@@mathis8210 Keystrokes are not affected by the slight arbitrary variations in the hand movement when drawing with your hand and the physical practice over years and years to combat it, that's why.
@@regenbogen_sim Part of the problem seems to be that we just won't stop adding the damn "AI" title to all this. Just call them image generators. They generate images through text. It couldn't be more easy.
@@mathis8210Spoken like someone who definitely has not made any successful attempts at art Yes, digital art is easier than traditional, who has contested that? If a person wanted to pass off their digital painting as a traditional piece, they’d still be flamed. That’s why they are put under different categories. Even so, most good digital artists can hold their own if they have to create a real life painting. The digital artist decided the composition, did the shading, did the sketching, understands anatomy and posing, did the colouring, and all those things traditional artists would have to do. Most AI artists have no idea about the principles behind these. The advantage they have is more access to different brushes that they may not have access to in real life, editing and the undo button. Though it’s harder, it’s definitely possible to do a copy paste. Plus, most high level digital artists don’t need copy pasting and prefer to just draw it, or at least uses it to a minimum. In the case where you may use it a lot, like drawing a crowd, generally copypasting is considered lazier than a person who decides to draw every single person by hand.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 They just type things and the AI's database or the sampler does all the work. You can refine certain things because the AI isn't a person and can't be specific about every detail, especially minute ones like something in the background, hands or eyes.
@@SomeGuyWithABlueMask I've not tried weapons yet. I've played with it with my own art by training on my own work, but it's funny how obvious it gets when it limits how many pieces you can upload and not look that great, yet realize how much used in other models to output such a variety. I still don't trust it because the samplers put out things I didn't put in, like a full landscape, so it still has to be using databased art not just from the model. It can't do anything of itself, literally, without putting something into it or it looks like garbage.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 did u never seen how AI art works ? just write prompt, its almost the same as writing hashtag in instagram, and ure done. did u really think that takes more skill compared to real artist ? lmao.
@@npcimknot958 Adolf objectively changed the world by supercharging war technology and made the world safer as in created a MAD relation between nuclear superpowers. Bartolome just tells a robot to make boring and generic piece.
@@cymes82 "These goddamn digital drawing engineer kids and their CNTRL+Z! Its only REAL art, if you cant revert your mistakes! Otherwise its too easy!"
@@mathis8210 Dude you are everywhere. What's wrong with you? If you are that hateful, maybe you need to consider therapy. You are under every comment I click hating. Get some help please.
@@mathis8210You always reply under almost every comment, but never reply to those who respond to you from what I’ve seen. I’ve already went into more detail in my previous responses, but digital art and traditional art is like using a sewing machine vs. manually sewing it all. One is more effort and will probably be more well respected than the other, but it’s all sewing. AI art is hiring a manufracturer, not even fully designing the shirt yourself, but descriptors like ‘put a cute frog on it’. And I’m starting to seriously consider you’ve never even picked up a pencil, because you seem unaware of the existence of erasers.
LOL someone that makes AI gen. stuff mad about copyright, i can't believe this guy, he must be a troll and he even think it is the "AI haters" that are dunking on him, no dude, it is literally everyone
So if you use a sparcle tool or some preset anime eyes in your digital drawing, you can not claim copyright on your image, right? AI does not contain its training set and it is not capable of reliably reproducing it! Its not copying, it is learning to relate broad trends in images to words.
@@mathis8210 I do not believe in intelectual property regardless, you don't lose something just because someone else copied what you did, though i think you should own the achievement of what you did and if other claims to be the inventor of it they should be punished.
@@mathis8210…yes. If you know anything about the art community, you’ll know that presets such as bases are generally frowned upon unless specifically stated and crediting the maker of the base. This further proves you barely know anything about art. Sparkle tool is barely used by anyone except for those who have just discovered digital art, because most experienced ones know that it does not look good. Even if they do, they still draw everything else and there’s a lot of components going into it as detailed by my previous responses to you. Let’s use an example of the Gacha community. They use a dress up game and definitely aren’t comparable to full artists, but some of their pieces are respected. Why? 1. They never claim the art is theirs. (Probably the most important part) 2. They usually mix it with another skill, typically shading, tweening animation, character design, story writing, etc. Since you are already a clearly very avid user of AI, next time you should use it to generate better rebuttals.
The dude is so full of himself that his plight just looked like a massive troll. “Not that they'll be heard over “Real Art” appreciators* laughing at him; Like they did at AI art’s infancy.
So if two people draw the same image in photoshop, what happens? They both just gave the same prompt to a software. What if two people draw the same thing on a canvas? Its a grey area, whatever tool you use.
@@mathis8210how can you have so little knowledge about actually creating art and still insist commenting on everyone here. Have you ever seen fanart? That is literally the same "promt" which could very well be created with the same digital art app and the results still look entirely different.
@@acompleterandom7360 No, if you promt a drawing software exactly the same way (and dont use any of the randomization features like noise or rotating brushes etc.) You literally get the same image, not a variation of it. Fanart is when you draw your own version of a (popular) thing, which means you prompt the drawing software differently. If a promt is as simple as drawing a single horizontal line it would be insane to have any right to it, but if it becomes very complex you may have a case. Same could go for AI. A simple prompt and seed has no case. But if you use very complex prompts and also multiple stages of processing you may have a case.
@@mathis8210 so if you're a pro at typing in a google search which gives you a very specific result that makes you the same as the scientist who wrote the article? No dude!
@@mathis8210 I'm still not convinced you've ever drawn with a software, it's literally the same in principal as traditional art, even something "simple" as an eye can result in endless different drawings. Honing your art to look the way you want it to can't be compared to writing something in a specific way.
I have said this befote but I will say it again. A.I. is a tool. If you want to use A.I. art as a short cut to design something, thats fine. But you still need to redraw it or have someone else redesign the said art in order for it to an original work. Also the fact he doesnt see the irony of borrowing "Super Mario" as a prompt to draw his work. Yeah, this guy is pretty silly.
I think I'm starting to get the gist of it I want to draw something I haven't drawn before yet I can't really visualize what that is, So i use the ai to help me create an idea of what i couldn't visualize in my mind If you are unable to picture what you wanted to create traditionally then you can use the ai to give you a picture of what the art project will be so that you'll be able to draw it on a sheet of paper what the ai has made on the software it was built on Am I right on this? Cause if I'm not then I am sorry
So if a digital artist can draw amazing stuff in photoshop, but fails horribly when given a chisel, hammer and marble, he is not a true artist? Did i get that right?
@@mathis8210 No you did not. Sculpting is not a different medium, it's a completly different section of art. But you probably post stuff that doesn't make sense just to stirr drama.
@@mathis8210 A Photoshop artist might not produce as well an art piece in another medium, but they have an understanding of proportions, shading, anatomy, and other visual aspects.
“That arrangement of words I plugged into an AI art app are copyrighted! It took so much work for me to string them together!” Look, I’m willing to give that there is a practice and a learning curve to getting what you want in the style that you want, out of those apps. But that doesn’t make you an artist, at best it’s just a new form of Google-Fu
Look, i'm willing to give that there is a practice and a learning curve to getting what you want in the style that you want, out of this photoshop thing. But that doesnt make you an artist. Its just a program doing all these difficult things for you, that a REAL painter would have to learn. I mean CNTRL + Z? Seriously? AI is just the next better tool that artists can use to make cool things.
@@mathis8210 That's fair. Except you can't copyright words, same as you can't copyright the CTRL+Z something you created(or didn't). I'm curious what you're response to that may be.
@@RichardHardslab 1. Except you CAN copyright GROUPS of words, once they become unique enough.But thats not really relevant here. What you would copyright are the images you created, not the input prompt. These can be unique enough. 2. I dont know what to make of your CTRL+Z word salad... So no reponse to that.
@@mathis8210The only thing about digital art you ever bring up is CTRL Z, which is not used as often as you think in most professional levels of digital art. Though of course, how would you know this? You don’t do art. Digital art is clearly a different medium of art that never tries passing itself off as being equivalent to traditional art, and if a digital artist had to make a traditional painting they could. You seriously believe that these people using AI Art are those who were already artists? Do any of them know the principles of shading, colour palettes, contrast, anatomy, exaggeration, framing, line strokes, and other things artists make use of? If you give these AI artists a paper and the most high quality brushes and equipmemt, do you think most of them would be able to produce a comparable product to their AI generated art? On the other hand, give a skilled digital artist a pencil and paper, even with less equipment, they can use their knowledge and experience to create a way better piece. But hey! I applaud you, man. You actually responded to one of the responses. Hurray! Though this reply was one of the easier ones to respond to, as they made a mistake on the issue of copyright which you admitted yourself to not be relevant to the discussion.
4:04 “i dont even want to imagine how many prompts are being used without my consent” reminds me when the REACT channel wanted to own(?) the word REACT
Addendum to this: the guy has shifted his narrative to more established AIartist is better than small-following artist. Also he's still getting wooshed by sarcasm with his dumb "credits to original aiartist/artist"
I've been in enough AI communities to know, if this guy has a following, it's either a hate following or botted. He stands against pretty much all of the most popular positions in AI communities, such as open-source and collaborative growth. I'd bet money that the only thing he cares about is stirring drama.
Stuff like this makes me happy artists are starting to find ways of combating AI algorithms. Not just shielding their art from being copied, but poisoning algorithms by making the AI interpret the image incorrectly. If people want to make Generative AI to make art, then they should supply their own art to its model or pay an artist to make some works for them to train their AI with.
“Never in your wildest dreams would you be able to make an illustration like this” to an animator is like telling a professional chef they’ll never make PB&J as good as you do
Close, he saw 1 dirty magazine and declared himself the world’s foremost authority on art. Aitard is a far more accurate term. Barrier to entry is a good thing, it’s what keeps brain dead slug fecal matter from mass producing worthlessness thus destroying economic balance. And they wonder why they will NEVER be respected.
AI (needs Training program to run properly) Training Program (needs art form actual artists to run properly) Artists (if they do not license their art hide watermarks that mar the AI training program and can cause legal issues for AI) Known loop hole (Licensing art) Art License (not perinate) CONCLUSION AI ART NEEDS REAL ARTISTS TO EXIST
So, let me ask you, if you use a sparkle drawing tool in photoshop, can you still license your art? You used another artists work after all. And in a much more direct way at that. It literally just copies the sparkle into your image. AI however does not contain the work it was trained on. It only broadly relates shapes and colors to words. It can not reliably reproduce any work from the training set.
Doesn't it also give you different results even if you try the same prompt in the same order several times? Because AI does not pick and choose from a select few pieces to mix and match unlike what many think, it actually somewhat "understands" what each prompt means, and what it is supposed to do with them. It does add things of its own.
@@Dice-Z Yes, you got it right. Most of the people here don't seem to understand this. AI is incapable of reliably reproducing its training set. It just learns to relate broad trends in images to words. There is no practical difference between using the cloud generator in photoshop or an AI. The AI is just a superior tool that makes more specialized "clouds". What matters is how you apply that tool. If you just make a random cloud once and scream "jay im awesome!" everyone will just snicker at you, but if you use many prompts of the cloud generator and work around with the results until you get an awesome image of a sunset on the horizon, i would be amazed.
People using AI and then saying it makes them artists is like me 3D printing an object and walking up to a Sculptor and saying "im just like you, Im a sculptor too"
oh my gosh. this. THIS is why people hate AI "artists". Here's the thing: I absolutely ADORE AI image generation and think the argument over stolen art is a mess...but man, to whine about someone stealing your prompts is peak cringe. No, a good chunk of the AI art community is all ABOUT sharing prompts and building off eachother's work and what's more, yeah, can't be copyrighted. I feel like, if we're gonna NOT be cringe, we need to EMBRACE the public domain nature of AI image generation!
The only people who should ever be proud to be called "AI Artists" are the people who made the AI. They're not "artists" but they are still capable of making something themselves with their own skills, and that in itself is an "art".
Uses a software created for copying and compositing using words/tags... Gets annoyed when somebody else uses the same word/tag configuration and calls it copying. I have no words.
Its a same that he deleted the twit, couse it got them arguing a bit and the AI bro switched to spanish, but the artist also switched to spanish, it was hillarious, but yeah as a spanish or a spanish talker we do not claim the AIbro, he afraid of pencils, the truth, and the lack of clout, and glass skin of course! Best roast that i got to see live
What I'm afraid of is when the ai can't be distinguished from reality any more then nothing is going make sense it would fundementally break the main reason for the internet sharing information
If AI makes me an artist then telling someone “Art of Mario holding a robot, simplified” makes me an artist as well. Heck, by that logic, telling your mother what kind of cake you want her to bake for your birthday party makes you a baker.
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can you also please like my reply to the pinned comment?
The AI art bro is... complaining about people "copying" him?
Do people have ANY SELF AWARENESS?!
Plus, he's blatantly using copyrighted characters. So many levels of stupid. Gonna be hilarious if Nintendo decided "Hey, this guy looks like easy money."
Honestly i expected crap like this to happen when people forget the point of art is in general, expressing a creative design in one`s style. AI art itself already flips off it by basically turning it into a kitbash `gacha` of a program randomly generating crap with no care to a specific style and then likely filling in the `specifics later` as if you were the one who did it.
Literally the carriage before the horse, except they not only did not buy the horse, but they expect it to still go twenty times faster then a horse drawn carriage when no actual effort (the horse) is even present to generate the kinetic energy to move the carriage in the first place.
Overall, it only exists by feasting on existing materials to cannibalize itself into a very terrible image work which definitely cannot work in any comics or animated material because of the constant random changing of imagery that gives no fks to keeping it consistent, because it cannot understand the function of things like fingers or belts, because its a kitbash of random stuff, that without the stuff being segmented into likely hundreds or thousands of of layers with specific key terms, it STILL will turn into a terrible kitbash of crap.
And do you expect ACTUAL artists to take an extra 1~8 months on each of thar artwork comissions to segment various layers with key terms and what not to let AI artists make use of it? Heck no.
Sadly there isn't an AI script for that yet.
Wait until AI starts replacing them too.
He's Madarame IRL.
Ordering food doesn't make you a chef
But somehow ordering your kitchen staff the proper way to make a delicious meal does... What a mystery.
AI is a tool. If you put garbage in you get garbage out.
@@mathis8210 If you are master chef in a kitchen. You can cook. Most of these ai bros have never touched a paint brush or drawing tablet. And seriously. Being the head chef in a kitchen is more a kin t o owning a business. If their staff made a meal. The chef didn't. That's just a terrible leap in logic man
yeah. Does creating vector graphics make you an artist? Does depicting a colourfull variation of the fibonacci sequence make you an artist? Does creating a website make you an artist?
Does using photoshop make you an artist? What if you're able to take 'inspiration' of another artist and slighlty alter the work? Does that make you am artist? What if you just recreate their image with the inspiration of their image, you would need skills as an artist to do that, but is it art?
The line is blurry and pretty undefined imo. You can spend hours upon hours learning about the generational AI framework, prompt instructions for a single image that might be completely unique to your vision and use the AI essentially as a paintbrush, does that make you an artist? But you could also just input "pirate dog in space, ultra hd, high quality" and be done with it.
What if you take an empty canvas, some colour a brush, listen to a youtube tutorial about modern art and put down some random lines and colours on the canvas and manage to sell it? Does that make you an artist?
I believe this is just a new tool to be used and some people are spending time on it and learning how it works and how the models itself operate and others just lazily play gacha with it until they get something that they can post and brag about.@@Gray1_9
@cyannight7364 Yeah, art comes in many forms. But how ai is being used is merely replication of existing art styles, that other artists perfected, by someone typing promts into a key board to get a product that is replicated from other artists' styles. Styles that were created using actual mediums other than AI. They are then selling the pieces, claiming to be an artist that creates original works. If it wasn't being used this way, I wouldn't hold this opinion. But you can hop into any server and see the ai art. My gf was able to tell who's style some of these AIs are ripping off, just by seeing it at a glance. It is that blatant.
@@cyannight7364 The line isn't blurry at all, actually. If you didn't pick up a brush, pen, stylus or chisel and put in the work, you didn't create anything.
Same energy as an NFT bro getting triggered because someone right clicked his NFT
Haha!!!-
True
Ai is just NFTs with better marketing and you can’t change my mind
Reminds me of that one video on Twitter were a NFT-bro had a rant about people "stealing" NFTs
Cuz all of these ARE nft bros
They are literally the same people that jumped in the NFT thing. They are trying to capitalize on every single tech trend. And yet, most people are dumb enough to believe and follow these morons.
"I can do better, I can animate it" that is so fucking fire oh my lord
I don't dislike AI art, I've seen artist use AI and then work on stuff they generate, they mostly come out amazing. But for AI "artists" that put a prompt and then post it as is then have the guts to claim it as their work, or even worse, paywall the stuff they generate, I have no respect for.
@@Halfdeadperson I second this and appreciate the sentiment as someone who ADORES using AI to generate images so I can make comics out of them. Yeah, "you don't own AI generated art" is something I strongly support.
@@HalfdeadpersonNot only do I third this, but putting in no work and having no self awareness is just crap
Kinda shit comment tbh, his whole career is based on Oda's work, which is drawn. The Art community is toxic, so is this youtuber, and that oscar guy. Art is toxicity in it's purest form, it has always been. Van gogh changed the entire world with his art, but in his lifetime, he died poor, alone, and insane. I wish everyone would stop using their mouths so much honestly. But that's such a wishful thinking coming from twitter and anyone who gives 2 fucks about what anyone says there, like this youtube guy and everyone involved in that tweet, including this animator employee who's spitting in the hand who feeds him.
@@squirrelhallowino29 Pick up a pencil and make yourself something you think is cool.
Or I mean, go look at a image you like I guess. Nothing wrong with that.
Using AI art and saying you’re an artist is like paying someone else to draw something for you and claiming you drew it.
@@WolfRaven-uh7og that still doesn’t make you an artist. Telling the chef that you want a steak doesn’t mean you’re the chef.
@@WolfRaven-uh7og are you mentally a moron or something? Of course the artist is the person who took the picture. Is Leonardo Da Vinci not an artist because he bought his paint supplies?! How could a camera be an artist…same way pencils are artists. The person who made the camera isn’t an artist of the picture. Same way people that make pencils aren’t artists. Seriously were you dropped on the head as a child.
It's like walking into a boxing ring with a gun and shooting your opponent. Then declaring that you're the best boxer in the world haha.
Except the other person googled up what you asked and Photoshopped a bunch of art together and hopes you won't notice
@@bloodytoes5307except in this case the chef you talk to isn't even a chef, it's a copying robot
I find it crazy how some people call artists greedy, when they're the ones using AI to make cheaper art, so they can pay less and keep more.
Give it time, and they'll call AI artists greedy for wanting the cost of the newest laptop for running the program. Companies will never stop being cheap.
TRUE!
Ehem... What's the problem here? I mean, if i think someone is greedy and i paying him more then i should, it makes total sense to find a way to pay less? I am genuenly confused.
@@sinner5452because this may shock you, but making art takes TIME and WORK….and people want to be paid for their time and work. So greedy.
I’ve always viewed Art, as a whole, as a hobby first, possible career second.
Shit got so bad a One Piece animator actually threw a punch, and immediately apologized for his actions. 😭 Bro if second hand embarrassment could kill.
Animator apologised?
@@maciejas2471 apologized in that he felt embarrassed for acting the way he did unprofessionally. So he deleted his tweet to not attract attention. I
I think I could've typed this out better cause I can see this being taken the wrong way. I want to clarify that I was getting second hand embarrassment from that egotistical AI Art loser. Not the animator.
If an AI doctor can save an artist's life that artist probably won't be complaining about how morally wrong it is to replace human doctors with AI ones. In fact it is a moral imperative to save the artist's life with the AI doctor if the human ones are incapable of doing so. AI art is not about morality but of artists' survival.
@@tomw4688 : o
Prompts are words. Getting upset about another person using the same prompts is a level of entitlement to the max. It's narcissism revealed.
Yup he's angry that other people use the same prompts as he did, as if he has patent over words.
That's way too kind. Words are what an author uses to create something. It's unfair to compare someone like Ernest Hemingway or even Stephenie Meyer to someone who says "make me a picture that looks like this". This is guy isn't a creator, he's like someone who commissions an artist to draw something for him.
It reminds me of the whole drama when an artist used a pose very similar to another drawing and a whole drama started lol
This is even more pathetic, especially when all the AI images look the same anyway.
I think there is some context and more that's needed. For example, what if you're someone who created a famous quote, or something that `is a big "meme" these days, and then someone else stole it, and was claiming it as their own?
That being said most of this guy's "prompts" are probably awful.....
Also, I will say that there was as time `about 10-12 years ago, I was in a specific hobby/niche-industry, and had been using a word that all of a sudden other people were randomly using. I was a bit annoyed at the guy who was pushing the word (it was apparently part of a commercial or something and they liked it), and i kindly asked them to please stop using it via pm, and oh boy were they mad and made a post talking trash on me and I got a bunch of Hate.`
Now I see that it might be a bit silly to have even pm'd him, but his reaction, was crazy. I shouldn't claim a word as my own, but when you say something for 3 years, and then all of a sudden others are using it like they have been saying it all this time... it gets annoying.
I mean, that's just the only thing he can hang onto, so he does. Putting in prompts is literally his entire input in the creation of these images and him seeing and selling himself an an AI artist means that's the hill he has to die on, for his own ego's sake.
I love how he not only got Community Noted, but he got called out by professional animator.🤣
Ai artists: it's ok to feed my software on random people's art without their consent, I'm just copying their style
Same people: NOOOOO NOT THE HECKIN SAME PROMPTERINO AS MINE! MY INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY! NOOOOOOOOO!
That is indeed hilariously ironic, but you dont seem to understand what AI does.
An AI does not contain its training data. There is also no reliable way to reconstruct the training data with an AI. It only relates words to trends in images. Literally "learning a style". Each image it generates is its own unique thing.
That is indeed hilariously ironic, but you dont seem to understand what AI does.
An AI does not contain its training data. There is also no reliable way to reconstruct the training data with an AI. It only relates words to trends in images. Literally "learning a style". Each image it generates is its own unique thing.
Mr. Generative AI expert doesn't even know how to hide a prompt from a generated image, so when he post them online, he's basically giving out his prompts for free. 😂
you dont need consent for publicly available images lol.
technologies dictate markets not vice versa.
"If AI makes me an artist, then a microwave makes me a chef."
- A wise Internet Artist.
The microwave comment reminded me of Gordon Ramsay's "Chef Mike" comment from that one Kitchen Nightmares episode where the kitchen was using a microwave mostly.
it's not even a microwave, it's closer to describing to your mom what cake type of you want baked and then taking credit for "helping" or telling friends at school you made it. Except the cake is a lie stolen from 20 different recipes and it's done by an adult more pretentious than a kid could even imagine being.
Chef Mike! Omg glad someone else knew!
Go look up Alton Brown's microwave salmon fillet en papillote, though. You can do INCREDIBLE things with a microwave, if you understand how it differs from other kinds of cooking.
AI is more like saying that being able to mix cocktails according to a preexisting recipe is the same thing as being a brewer.
Huh.
Imagine going to school and befriending a dude who can actually draw, you then ask them to draw something following your every command and multiple prompts. Then the next day you show everyone in class the amazing drawing *you created* because of your amazing and accurate prompts.
Dude's delusional, childish, and no amount of talk could bring him back to reality.
Prompt engineering is a real skill. But it's not the same as artistic skill. There will be a real market for AI prompt engineers, but I'd hope most of those people would understand that their expertise is in the manipulation of the AI tool and that they can't take credit for the actual product made by the AI. Their skill is in asking the right question, not giving the right answer, so to speak. This guy may or may not be an amazing prompt engineer, his delusion is in thinking this also makes him a good artist. It doesn't. These are completely separate skill sets.
Teachers then mark your drawings as fails because they notice inconsistencies (Abnormal/Extra hands or eyes and other organs, wrong hand positions, inconsistent coloring and lighting, Warped faces and other objects, etc).
Hell the dude who worked hard on making art by hand has already a perfect grade because he shows appreciation and respect.
@@neilisawesome2333 Come on dude, those artifacts are already being phased out of AI art.. Sure they still happen, but not so often, there are tools to reduce the odds of it happening, and you can always retry if it happens. In a couple of years those mistakes won't be a thing anymore. If you check the frontpage of an AI art website, I bet you won't be able to find those things in 99% of the images.
@@Homiloko2 It shouldn't be called AI (nothing intelligent about it but the humans making this program) instead it should be called IAT = Industrialized Art Theft at least then it would be an honest description.
@@flerrin1754
And hell even if the prompts reduce the odds of inconsistent AI generated arts, they're still be problems for the art community in general.
Claiming that writing prompts makes you an artists is like claiming you created a commissioned work.
Then claiming that clicking on tools in photoshop makes you an artist is also wrong.
Drawing on a real canvas is much more difficult after all!
@@mathis8210 You do know digital painting is a thing?
@@ebc6970 You do know that that was the point of my sarcastic comment?
AI is just a new tool for an artist to use.
@@mathis8210 You're funny. All your comments are just poor excuses for AI losers. Spoken like someone who had never touched a painting software or even tried to learn drawing in their life. You're only deluding yourself with how stupid your replies are. Good luck going around the comment section with your braindead logic.
Yes AI can be a tool, but claiming a purely AI generated pictures as your "art" is just pathetic. AI is used to support our creative ideas and journeys, not be the sole hand that creates something. And trying to claim a copy right over it? Most ret*arded thing I've seen all year.
@@mathis8210 You're funny. All your comments are just poor excuses for AI losers. Spoken like someone who had never touched a painting software or even tried to learn drawing in their life. You're only deluding yourself with how st*pid your replies are. Good luck going around the comment section with your braindead logic.
Yes AI can be a tool, but claiming a purely AI generated pictures as your "art" is just pathetic. AI is used to support our creative ideas and journeys, not be the sole hand that creates something. And trying to claim a copy right over it? Most ret*arded thing I've seen all year.
AI "artists" are getting dumber I swear
I feel like that's just what happens when you outsource every single thing that requires critical thought or skill to an AI.
The heavy reliance on something like that doesn't encourage them to actually do any of the mental legwork themselves. I hope they like having smooth jello brains
I can't recall which comedian said this, but it was along the lines of, we have to stop giving killers cool names, we should call them the POS murderer, or that MOFO serial rapist, instead of Jack the Ripper or the Golden State killer.
I think text generated image (or TGI) is a way better name than AI Art, the AI tag alone boosts their ego, so as long as communities keep using that, those people won't stop feeling entitled.
I would be more proud of drawing a crappy, non accurate Anatomy art of a beginner than a drawing prompted by a narcissistic AI 'artist' who claims to be an artist
Agreed
Hell yeah!
I hate both.
Bro got obliterated by a community note😂
tbf, it was the best thing that ever came into that platform
@@eriknurwahab2861Yes, and everyone won't be misled by someone in the internet
Short and straight to the point comebacks are always the most painful one xD
Take away his computer and give him a pen. He won't make anything.
he would eat the pen
@@notjeih and make a stool
I can make a stick figure flip book at least, unlike that clown.
or nothing at all... lol
Heck give him any tool and resource in the world except access to an AI tool
He put "AI artist" in his bio 💀
I guess he expects to be paid in McDonald’s happy meal
We need to Bring back bullies
and using it unironically
@@WolfRaven-uh7og putting prompts in a box with master knowledge is prompting, that doesn't make you an artist.
@@WolfRaven-uh7og yours aren't even close to what art is.
an AI "artist" complaining about his "art" being stolen has got to be the most ironic thing i have ever seen
That's like a pick pocket getting offended when someone pick pocket them
Never thought I'd see the day someone unironically said: "they're using text prompts without my consent!". These people need serious mental help.
The One Piece isn't AI...it's creativity that was made by hands of an artist, an animator with passion and skill. That is truly the One Piece.
Maybe the real one piece is the fwends we made along the way
So digital drawings are not art then, right? Its made by codes, programmed by the software developers. The "artist" just gives the prompts to the software.
What if you use a brush to paint? Its actually the brush thats laying down the color. Have you made that brush yourself? Mayne then, you could claim you created art?
@@mathis8210 I mean both regular art and digital art. AI is just lazy work
@@David-yk9fy No, if you just lazy work with AI, you make mediocre shit that everyone is bored of at this point. It takes skill to make something unique and interesting.
@@Dice-Zoh shut up
Holy shit, I thought this caricature of AI art bros only existed in memes. But this dude is out here living the meme, the poster child of incompetence and entitlement!
They are more common than you think especially on Reddit
If they say they're an artist and using an ai that's not an artist, that's a describer.
AI artist accusing of plagiarism is the peak of irony
Seeing Ai “artists” fighting each other for stealing their prompts is hilarious
Hey hey the important thing to remember is who stole it first 😂 LOL.
Midjourney did all the work. But he claims it as his own and didn't credit them 😂
I think midjourney needs to strike 😂😂😂😂😂
That's like telling a farmer that he isn't a rEaL agriculture worker cause the combine harvester did all the work instead of cutting every bundle of wheat with a sickle by hand 😂😂
Technology moves on, there are those who adapt and learn to leverage it in a constructive fashion and those who fall behind the times.
@@baraka629You have to actively drive the harvestor to get it to move. Not the same, but nice try.
The farmer still drives the harvester. He doesn't just type in harvest field x.
Also there is a lot of work you have to do before you can run the harvester over a field to make sure it isn't damaged. You have to go around yourself and clear any stones out that are large enough to damage the machinery. @@baraka629
@@CMan-x7k and you have to properly engineer your prompts to make an appealing outlook. An unknowledgeable layman attempting to drive a harvester and an inexperienced prompter for AI will both create a poor product without either learning or finding instruction.
His responses are even more embarrassing than his OP. Literally claiming he's a true artist lmao. Especially saying no one could POSSIBLY remake his awful "art".
And then crying furiously when he realizes all people need to replicate his magnum opus is to just copy-paste some prompts. Imagine being proud of having unrivaled talent to do good browser searches.
@@AzzRushman indeed, he's practically pissing himself when some rando uses the same prompt
Dude's a prompt engineer. Show some respect.
@@first__last first off, there's a lot of career positions that have long since lost any respect. usually those related to writing. just a bunch of pretentious assholes. but atleast we can take them seriously. this "prompt engineer" is something nobody is going to take seriously to begin with.
@@gusty7153 well to be fair, if no one would take prompt engineering seriously then no one would care about AI Art or mediocre artists losing commissioned work. So yeah, some people are hiring these people and others are getting upset because these people are getting hired. Which is I'd say people taking it seriously
Miyazaki came out recently on his opinion on AI, calling it an “insult to life itself” and he’ll never incorporate it into his work.
He is entitled to being a luddite boomer. The term "luddite" came into existence for the explicit purpose to mock people who put up futile and inconsequential resistance to new technologies. So it fits to a T.
Thats his own stupidity. As a good artist he stands to profit the most from making use of a new tool for his art.
But whatever, he can do as he wants.
@baraka629 You remind me of John Hammond, spending so much time contemplating what you _could_ do with a new discovery that you can’t stop to think if you _should._ If the history of mankind has taught us anything it’s that any new advancement has its dark side, and humans, being corrupt, will immediately find and exploit it. The potential applications of AI generated imagery go far beyond the art community, and we’re already seeing the dangerous side of it. Those “luddites” are _right_ to be apprehensive about what this technology will unleash.
@@mathis8210 So you’re mad at him for not using a tool that any untalented artist can use to create images that wouldn’t normally be able to? He just has pride in what people can make, what’s wrong with that?
@@sibsart2039 Every untalented "pleb" can use any art tool. Everyone can drag a pencil across a paper. If you are unskilled the results are mediocre trash. Same goes for AI. Its just a slightly different kind of mediocre trash. You can quickly tell apart AI artists that are putting thought into their work nad those that just do the same boring shit over and over again.
According to you he didnt "have pride in what people can make" at all!
Quite the opposite, he called an incredibly impressive new tool, that PEOPLE MADE an "insult to life itself", was it? Dont come to me with that fluffy feelgood bullshit.
A skilled artist can use tools like all of digital arts software and now also AI to ease up parts of their process and shift their focus on other things, leading to even more high quality results.
Many Mangaka have to slave away their entire life just drawing if they want to publish regularly. Imagine if they could cut their time in half, by using AI to fill drafts with the characters you want and then just improving a few things here and there.
What about designing some characters by yourself and then making an animation with them, using just AI. Thats not all that far off.
Got a cool idea for a comic, but cant draw for shit yourself? Now you can make simple panels and test the water. Maybe you can get a skilled artist involved, once you are a bit more established.
A tool is what you make of it. And an old man screeching at the weaving looms is nothing more than a pathetic looser.
Dude, I swear to god these AI artist no longer having shame
They just ashamed insult now
I love making AI art, but it takes a special type of idiot to think putting prompts into a software makes you a genuine artist
same is embarrassing .
I use an AI art generator for personal things like D&D characters and would never consider selling them.
I still hire actual artist when I want something to give to my table as a gift.
See, that's the opinion I think we should have. If used for something private I have no problem with ai art, just not anything else
I agree, if it’s just for personal use, and as long as your not trying to use it to profit or win a contest, it should be fine
It can also be used for a reference if need be
I have used AI for some ocs of mine but I swapped over to using picrews/nekas, and even drawing myself!
Ai CAN be alright in some cases, but using AI does not make you an artist, although I would recommend learning to draw if need be, there’s tons of tutorials and searching for references is also an option
And if you have money, there’s always commissions
Why do they call themselves "artists" when they themselves don't even make art
They want the praise that an artist would receive without having to put any effort into it. I wouldn’t be surprised if they have a history of claiming other peoples art as there own
"They make art via prompts therefore they're an artist"
...Is something I'd say if I was as braindead as that guy.
Clout chasing on social media is addicting to them, thats why they were so desperate trying to fit in with such method.
@@joshuacouture479 Literally once I found someone like that, first they stole digital art, then photos and then AI images from the internet lol and all with poor quality
There are AI producers who can't indeed produce art without their generators, but there are a lot who can.
Because of how AI works it is pretty difficult to tell the difference, but they don't get the same results as typing a prompt is one thing, but having a solid artistic background is quite useful to chose best prompts and best results.
I'm not sure it is a big point for most people looking at these results trying to make the difference, but at least all AI producers are not uncompetent artists, like all self producing artists are not competent either. Reality isn't as polarized as people looking at it tend to be.
When using Ai art as a skill makes a person look like a dumbass.
If I can't draw was person 😮
The hypocrisy. I'm just glad that guy got GEAR 5'd into oblivion.
"ai artist", that's like ordering Chinese takeout and reselling it as authentic Chinese food.
Complaining about someone using the same AI prompt, is like complaining about someone using the same art program. The AI art was made by Mid journey after all.
No. If the AI art was made by Midjourney, then so too was the digital drawing made by Photoshop! Both are software that turns prompts into images. They are just tools. If you give them shitty prompts you get shitty images, if you give them good prompts, you get good images.
But indeed the prompt is not anyones property. Only the image that results from it could be your property, if we remain consistent.
If you give AI or photoshop the same prompts, you dont even have to get the same results. Many tools in photoshop include randomization aswell.
@@mathis8210 Truly said like someone who never touched a painting tool or even tried learning to draw something and put an effort in his life. Your reasoning is trash, it's just more excuse for AI losers to claim AI generated images as "art". Try thinking to better yourself for once instead of relying wholly on AI for an instant result.
I spend time on high quality AI art, but not in my wildest dreams would I claim any of the output as "mine".
I use it purely for visual representation of various things in my TTRPG groups.
That's what anyone who uses it should do, recreational purposes. At no point is any of it "yours".
Then, how is any digital drawing yours?
You use codes, written by developers to produce it. And its also just a sequence of inputs you are giving the program. If you give it bad inputs, it will give you bad results.
AI is just another digital tool that artists can use to make good art. But the tool alone is not enough.
@@mathis8210 Still physical movements of the hand doing the strokes there. It's just like inputting text into a photoshop document doesn't make it "your" font.
I completely agree that AI is just another tool and I'd like to see it used by more people, but currently it's basically random generation on a level we've never had before.
Don't get me wrong, I still think it's scummy af to take someone else's prompt and output and post it as if you discovered it, but by no means is the result "yours" specifically. I see it more like that, AI users make "discoveries", rather than a "creations".
@@ForsakenSanityGaming Don't mind him, just another brainless AI loser. You should see his other comments lol, it's quite funny how stupid they sound.
@@ForsakenSanityGaming My hand movements are writing the inputs for the AI. What if i use a drawing tablet to write the prompt? Is it then art, because i used a brush?
What if i write a python code that produces i really cool geometrical art work? Is it not art, because i wrote it instead of drawing it?
@@mathis8210 Keystrokes are not affected by the slight arbitrary variations in the hand movement when drawing with your hand and the physical practice over years and years to combat it, that's why.
These Ai "artist" are just the grown ups of those kids who would ask for a free drawing of their character for clout from people on deviant art😂😂
That is the most painfully accurate description of these "artists" I've ever heard 😭😂
@@regenbogen_sim Part of the problem seems to be that we just won't stop adding the damn "AI" title to all this. Just call them image generators. They generate images through text. It couldn't be more easy.
I fully encourage people to copy the prompts, it's hilarious to see the ai bros getting mad
AI art is not art, deal with it !
Sniff sniff yes it is l especially when people are too damn lazy to learn how to draw.
Agreed
i mess around with Ai for fun, but i never think i was a artist because i entered a prompt, the delusion is hilarious
I mess around with a synth, but I never think I'm a real musician because I press some keys.
"Sure, you give commands to photoshop, but you are not a REAL artist. REAL artists can't CNTRL+Z!"
coping AItards in the replies as usual lol
@@mathis8210Spoken like someone who definitely has not made any successful attempts at art
Yes, digital art is easier than traditional, who has contested that? If a person wanted to pass off their digital painting as a traditional piece, they’d still be flamed. That’s why they are put under different categories. Even so, most good digital artists can hold their own if they have to create a real life painting. The digital artist decided the composition, did the shading, did the sketching, understands anatomy and posing, did the colouring, and all those things traditional artists would have to do. Most AI artists have no idea about the principles behind these. The advantage they have is more access to different brushes that they may not have access to in real life, editing and the undo button. Though it’s harder, it’s definitely possible to do a copy paste. Plus, most high level digital artists don’t need copy pasting and prefer to just draw it, or at least uses it to a minimum. In the case where you may use it a lot, like drawing a crowd, generally copypasting is considered lazier than a person who decides to draw every single person by hand.
@@The_Rusalka Heck, most AI artists don't even know the basics like colors, size, proportions.
Guess ai artist can't draw a simple drawing. They can't even draw a tree or a dog.
If an AI artist can't draw the simplest things, then they must be a god at programming. . .
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 They just type things and the AI's database or the sampler does all the work. You can refine certain things because the AI isn't a person and can't be specific about every detail, especially minute ones like something in the background, hands or eyes.
@@blumiu2426or weapons. You have no idea on how much I was so disgusted by the gun design AI has to offer
@@SomeGuyWithABlueMask I've not tried weapons yet. I've played with it with my own art by training on my own work, but it's funny how obvious it gets when it limits how many pieces you can upload and not look that great, yet realize how much used in other models to output such a variety. I still don't trust it because the samplers put out things I didn't put in, like a full landscape, so it still has to be using databased art not just from the model.
It can't do anything of itself, literally, without putting something into it or it looks like garbage.
@@PlaystationTaxation69999 did u never seen how AI art works ? just write prompt, its almost the same as writing hashtag in instagram, and ure done. did u really think that takes more skill compared to real artist ? lmao.
I saw the animator's tweet when I got the chance. Apparently he's a fellow Chilean!
Grande compatritaaaa! 🇨🇱🇨🇱🇨🇱
There is no such thing as an 'AI artist'...
Like they say, "A thief hates its fellow thief."
Dude sounds like he's overdue for a hospitalization
He’s just mad even moustache man could paint better than him 😂
@@npcimknot958 Adolf objectively changed the world by supercharging war technology and made the world safer as in created a MAD relation between nuclear superpowers.
Bartolome just tells a robot to make boring and generic piece.
Pretty sure he's also underdue for some therapy
An AI artist is arguing with an actual animator in the anime industry...
Embarrassing. No legs to stand on at all. Cry about it, buddy.
Too many people are trying to pull rank with no skill.
People who can't draw getting butt hurt people calling them out for the AI shit priceless
"prompt engineer" get out of here with that nonsense.
You don't understand - typing words into a box on a website is really , really hard.
@@cymes82 "These goddamn digital drawing engineer kids and their CNTRL+Z! Its only REAL art, if you cant revert your mistakes! Otherwise its too easy!"
@@mathis8210 Dude you are everywhere. What's wrong with you? If you are that hateful, maybe you need to consider therapy. You are under every comment I click hating. Get some help please.
@@mathis8210You always reply under almost every comment, but never reply to those who respond to you from what I’ve seen. I’ve already went into more detail in my previous responses, but digital art and traditional art is like using a sewing machine vs. manually sewing it all. One is more effort and will probably be more well respected than the other, but it’s all sewing. AI art is hiring a manufracturer, not even fully designing the shirt yourself, but descriptors like ‘put a cute frog on it’. And I’m starting to seriously consider you’ve never even picked up a pencil, because you seem unaware of the existence of erasers.
there are ai promps marketplace and people buy them
"I am not saying anything, because she has apologised" Proceeds to whine about it.
Ai bro: complaining about his “art” being stolen
Me and other artists: SUFFER B, NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEELS YOU A$$
One piece animator: fetch me their souls!
LIFE OR DRAW
(Insert COD:MW zombie scream)
Bro has the main character syndrome.
@TheIncredibleAverageCorrection: AI "artists"
LOL someone that makes AI gen. stuff mad about copyright, i can't believe this guy, he must be a troll and he even think it is the "AI haters" that are dunking on him, no dude, it is literally everyone
It's actually unclear who owns the outputs of stable diffusion algorithms. That has yet to be weighed in on by the judiciary.
@@baraka629 If you input 2+2 into a machine do you own the results?
So if you use a sparcle tool or some preset anime eyes in your digital drawing, you can not claim copyright on your image, right?
AI does not contain its training set and it is not capable of reliably reproducing it! Its not copying, it is learning to relate broad trends in images to words.
@@mathis8210 I do not believe in intelectual property regardless, you don't lose something just because someone else copied what you did, though i think you should own the achievement of what you did and if other claims to be the inventor of it they should be punished.
@@mathis8210…yes. If you know anything about the art community, you’ll know that presets such as bases are generally frowned upon unless specifically stated and crediting the maker of the base. This further proves you barely know anything about art. Sparkle tool is barely used by anyone except for those who have just discovered digital art, because most experienced ones know that it does not look good. Even if they do, they still draw everything else and there’s a lot of components going into it as detailed by my previous responses to you. Let’s use an example of the Gacha community. They use a dress up game and definitely aren’t comparable to full artists, but some of their pieces are respected. Why?
1. They never claim the art is theirs. (Probably the most important part)
2. They usually mix it with another skill, typically shading, tweening animation, character design, story writing, etc.
Since you are already a clearly very avid user of AI, next time you should use it to generate better rebuttals.
His brain was just inches away from understanding the whole debate around AI art
There is no fucking way people have the audacity to call them selves "Ai Artists".
What absolute frauds, as an artist myself, this pisses me off.
The dude is so full of himself that his plight just looked like a massive troll.
“Not that they'll be heard over “Real Art” appreciators* laughing at him; Like they did at AI art’s infancy.
It’s like two people asking the same artist to make art of the same character, then the first person gets mad at the second
So if two people draw the same image in photoshop, what happens? They both just gave the same prompt to a software. What if two people draw the same thing on a canvas?
Its a grey area, whatever tool you use.
@@mathis8210how can you have so little knowledge about actually creating art and still insist commenting on everyone here. Have you ever seen fanart? That is literally the same "promt" which could very well be created with the same digital art app and the results still look entirely different.
@@acompleterandom7360 No, if you promt a drawing software exactly the same way (and dont use any of the randomization features like noise or rotating brushes etc.) You literally get the same image, not a variation of it.
Fanart is when you draw your own version of a (popular) thing, which means you prompt the drawing software differently.
If a promt is as simple as drawing a single horizontal line it would be insane to have any right to it, but if it becomes very complex you may have a case.
Same could go for AI. A simple prompt and seed has no case. But if you use very complex prompts and also multiple stages of processing you may have a case.
@@mathis8210 so if you're a pro at typing in a google search which gives you a very specific result that makes you the same as the scientist who wrote the article? No dude!
@@mathis8210 I'm still not convinced you've ever drawn with a software, it's literally the same in principal as traditional art, even something "simple" as an eye can result in endless different drawings. Honing your art to look the way you want it to can't be compared to writing something in a specific way.
She copied my google search>:(
What if i copy your vector graphic?
I mean its just a set of prompts for a software to generate a drawing right?
@@mathis8210cope and seethe dude. stop prancing around replying to all the comments like this
@@gjkdshgkjshjkgdfg Im gonna reply to whomever i want, whenever i want.
@@mathis8210 you are a detriment to society
I have said this befote but I will say it again. A.I. is a tool. If you want to use A.I. art as a short cut to design something, thats fine. But you still need to redraw it or have someone else redesign the said art in order for it to an original work.
Also the fact he doesnt see the irony of borrowing "Super Mario" as a prompt to draw his work. Yeah, this guy is pretty silly.
I think I'm starting to get the gist of it
I want to draw something I haven't drawn before yet I can't really visualize what that is, So i use the ai to help me create an idea of what i couldn't visualize in my mind
If you are unable to picture what you wanted to create traditionally then you can use the ai to give you a picture of what the art project will be so that you'll be able to draw it on a sheet of paper what the ai has made on the software it was built on
Am I right on this?
Cause if I'm not then I am sorry
@@pinglefaz yup thats exactly right!
7:18 someone call Nintendo
AI artists need to understand thay they will never have true talent.
The thing about art is talent really doesn't mean anything anyway.
Or even fake talent.
Yea.
A.I art should only be used for sh*testing and discovering what you would've looked like of you born black or chinese.
They will, just in a fundamentally different field the same way photography is
I will use Oscar's tears to salt my ramen tonight...
Oh god
😂
"Art I created with the help of an ai" with the same amount of effort it would take to work a microwave yeah sure bro👍
The term AI Artist sounds so fkng absurd and stupid
It's so strange that an AI artist crying about prompts being taken.
Ai artists are one day going to have to fight over words in the dictionary
His pencil comparison isn't even accurate. A true artist can change mediums and still produce art. If the AI bro changes to non-Ai, they have nothing.
So if a digital artist can draw amazing stuff in photoshop, but fails horribly when given a chisel, hammer and marble, he is not a true artist? Did i get that right?
@@mathis8210 No you did not. Sculpting is not a different medium, it's a completly different section of art. But you probably post stuff that doesn't make sense just to stirr drama.
@@mathis8210 A Photoshop artist might not produce as well an art piece in another medium, but they have an understanding of proportions, shading, anatomy, and other visual aspects.
@@nujevad28 And you think an AI artist does not? Do they not have eyes? Are they not capable of looking at things around them?
@@mathis8210 An AI artist just has to know how to spell. They can type in "man playing tennis" and the AI does everything.
“That arrangement of words I plugged into an AI art app are copyrighted! It took so much work for me to string them together!”
Look, I’m willing to give that there is a practice and a learning curve to getting what you want in the style that you want, out of those apps. But that doesn’t make you an artist, at best it’s just a new form of Google-Fu
Look, i'm willing to give that there is a practice and a learning curve to getting what you want in the style that you want, out of this photoshop thing. But that doesnt make you an artist. Its just a program doing all these difficult things for you, that a REAL painter would have to learn. I mean CNTRL + Z? Seriously?
AI is just the next better tool that artists can use to make cool things.
@@mathis8210 That's fair.
Except you can't copyright words, same as you can't copyright the CTRL+Z something you created(or didn't).
I'm curious what you're response to that may be.
@@RichardHardslab 1. Except you CAN copyright GROUPS of words, once they become unique enough.But thats not really relevant here. What you would copyright are the images you created, not the input prompt. These can be unique enough.
2. I dont know what to make of your CTRL+Z word salad... So no reponse to that.
@@mathis8210The only thing about digital art you ever bring up is CTRL Z, which is not used as often as you think in most professional levels of digital art. Though of course, how would you know this? You don’t do art. Digital art is clearly a different medium of art that never tries passing itself off as being equivalent to traditional art, and if a digital artist had to make a traditional painting they could. You seriously believe that these people using AI Art are those who were already artists? Do any of them know the principles of shading, colour palettes, contrast, anatomy, exaggeration, framing, line strokes, and other things artists make use of? If you give these AI artists a paper and the most high quality brushes and equipmemt, do you think most of them would be able to produce a comparable product to their AI generated art? On the other hand, give a skilled digital artist a pencil and paper, even with less equipment, they can use their knowledge and experience to create a way better piece.
But hey! I applaud you, man. You actually responded to one of the responses. Hurray! Though this reply was one of the easier ones to respond to, as they made a mistake on the issue of copyright which you admitted yourself to not be relevant to the discussion.
Dont let bro know about customs orders or he will think he's a chef for thinking that ingredients
he claims AI is freedom but the minute you try to use one of his prompt the mf wants to regulate it. What a clown.
Lol I'm happy people like this expose themselves .
Scam artists are not artists, Oscar.
the author... for jumbling together words. by that logic the dictionary is the copyright holder of all AI art XD
They say stuff like "im not lazy im unlocking my inner artists" lol
He's trying to work his way up to conceptualizing the brush before he picks it up . 😂. Give him some slack 😁
Lol
4:04 “i dont even want to imagine how many prompts are being used without my consent”
reminds me when the REACT channel wanted to own(?) the word REACT
He admitted to stealing while he gloated. What a fool.
Addendum to this: the guy has shifted his narrative to more established AIartist is better than small-following artist.
Also he's still getting wooshed by sarcasm with his dumb "credits to original aiartist/artist"
Ah, yes, claim superiority in using AI to generate art by making an image that Nintendo is likely gonna DMCA...
I've been in enough AI communities to know, if this guy has a following, it's either a hate following or botted. He stands against pretty much all of the most popular positions in AI communities, such as open-source and collaborative growth. I'd bet money that the only thing he cares about is stirring drama.
Stuff like this makes me happy artists are starting to find ways of combating AI algorithms. Not just shielding their art from being copied, but poisoning algorithms by making the AI interpret the image incorrectly. If people want to make Generative AI to make art, then they should supply their own art to its model or pay an artist to make some works for them to train their AI with.
7:38 imagine if nitendo sued him for this
Nintendo should
They better do
bet he gets told "shut up, nerd" often in his life
> Made a prompt
> Shares it with the world and gets likes
> Somebody uses it
> Malds beyond relief
Certified hood classic
Well it's not art (as in painting ) unless you DRAW it. Entering prompts is not an "art" since AI uses already available art.
“Never in your wildest dreams would you be able to make an illustration like this” to an animator is like telling a professional chef they’ll never make PB&J as good as you do
This guy seems like the kind of person who goes to a gallery for one time and becomes and expert on all Art
Close, he saw 1 dirty magazine and declared himself the world’s foremost authority on art. Aitard is a far more accurate term. Barrier to entry is a good thing, it’s what keeps brain dead slug fecal matter from mass producing worthlessness thus destroying economic balance. And they wonder why they will NEVER be respected.
Didn't you know he's the next ai Leonardo da Vinci lol. 😮
Lol
AI (needs Training program to run properly) Training Program (needs art form actual artists to run properly) Artists (if they do not license their art hide watermarks that mar the AI training program and can cause legal issues for AI) Known loop hole (Licensing art) Art License (not perinate) CONCLUSION AI ART NEEDS REAL ARTISTS TO EXIST
So, let me ask you, if you use a sparkle drawing tool in photoshop, can you still license your art? You used another artists work after all. And in a much more direct way at that. It literally just copies the sparkle into your image. AI however does not contain the work it was trained on. It only broadly relates shapes and colors to words. It can not reliably reproduce any work from the training set.
@@mathis8210nuh uh i make my own sparkle tool
Its kinda fun to see how bizarrely different images can be with the same prompt in a different order
kinda remind me about an anime where magic could change depending on how the user cast the spell
Doesn't it also give you different results even if you try the same prompt in the same order several times? Because AI does not pick and choose from a select few pieces to mix and match unlike what many think, it actually somewhat "understands" what each prompt means, and what it is supposed to do with them. It does add things of its own.
@@Dice-Z Yes, you got it right. Most of the people here don't seem to understand this. AI is incapable of reliably reproducing its training set. It just learns to relate broad trends in images to words.
There is no practical difference between using the cloud generator in photoshop or an AI. The AI is just a superior tool that makes more specialized "clouds". What matters is how you apply that tool. If you just make a random cloud once and scream "jay im awesome!" everyone will just snicker at you, but if you use many prompts of the cloud generator and work around with the results until you get an awesome image of a sunset on the horizon, i would be amazed.
1:46 …is he just realizing that?
People using AI and then saying it makes them artists is like me 3D printing an object and walking up to a Sculptor and saying "im just like you, Im a sculptor too"
oh my gosh. this. THIS is why people hate AI "artists". Here's the thing: I absolutely ADORE AI image generation and think the argument over stolen art is a mess...but man, to whine about someone stealing your prompts is peak cringe. No, a good chunk of the AI art community is all ABOUT sharing prompts and building off eachother's work and what's more, yeah, can't be copyrighted. I feel like, if we're gonna NOT be cringe, we need to EMBRACE the public domain nature of AI image generation!
Thats why I use a pencil.
The lack of self-awareness and the amount of cope this guy must ingest is absolutely insane.
If he is so well-known, then why didn't I know who he was until today.😂😂😂
Because he was so profound that only he could know himself 😮
Lol
The only people who should ever be proud to be called "AI Artists" are the people who made the AI. They're not "artists" but they are still capable of making something themselves with their own skills, and that in itself is an "art".
"If I wasn't so well known" Mate I ain't even heard of you until today
Uses a software created for copying and compositing using words/tags... Gets annoyed when somebody else uses the same word/tag configuration and calls it copying.
I have no words.
Its a same that he deleted the twit, couse it got them arguing a bit and the AI bro switched to spanish, but the artist also switched to spanish, it was hillarious, but yeah as a spanish or a spanish talker we do not claim the AIbro, he afraid of pencils, the truth, and the lack of clout, and glass skin of course!
Best roast that i got to see live
bro thought that switching language could save his arse, the animator really pulled Uno Reverse on him, LMAO
@@eriknurwahab2861I remember seeing that! 😂😂 I had to ask someone to translate the Spanish but once I understood I was like “BURRRRRRN!”
Now he knows how the real art community feels.
Fun Fact: Everything "AI generated" is fake. Everything.
Yeah they can't even draw a dog or a tree or a ladybug.
What I'm afraid of is when the ai can't be distinguished from reality any more then nothing is going make sense it would fundementally break the main reason for the internet sharing information
@@UnapologeticweebNothing the Carrington Event, EMPs, the Sun, etc can't solve.
Holy moly, and original comment that has nothing to do with futanari?
I love redemption arcs
@@BuetifullPersunit does make making eroge games and hentai much easier to make but that's the only "ai art" I Care about
If AI makes me an artist then telling someone “Art of Mario holding a robot, simplified” makes me an artist as well. Heck, by that logic, telling your mother what kind of cake you want her to bake for your birthday party makes you a baker.