The Paradise Pier Retheme that NEVER Happened
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Who knows, maybe there's some blue sky concept art out there somewhere of a re-opened PeopleMover.
I pray for that.
Yeah. Who knows?
@@DurongoWarlokusMe too…
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Yeah, I wonder…
California Adventure was kind of a mess. Only Michael Eisner could think, “Why would people go to actual California when they could go to a theme park about California IN California?”
They should rename it to Hollywood Studios since it's in California and already has a lot of movie themed lands. And put the Soarin Attraction in Disneyland and any other attractions not themed to movies, and replace them.
Disney should’ve a clone of Disney MGM Studios for the Disneyland Resort in California with bits of California Adventure added!
I wish we got WestCot instead.
@@discipleofmatanui1362 Or Riverfront Square
Really? Are we still doing the Eisner bashing?
Before Incredicoaster was announced, my armchair idea for a California Screamin' retheme was to set it in a Turn of the 20th Century World's Fair with an animatronic Ludwig Von Drake pulling the lever on his newfangled electromagnetic launch device.
disney hire this man
Chernabog is the best Disney villain. Remember when they had villains?
What’s a villain?
They still do, just some can’t figure out the story well enough to understand this.
@@PsychGirlRaven I meant purely unredeemable heartless villains
He was defeated by daylight. Lame.
@@jalapeno1119 Booooooooooooooooooooooooo
I think Pizza Om Mow Mow is a reference to the old song “Papa Om Mow Mow” which was either doo-op or beach rock depending on the version. I’m most interested in that name because putting Pizza in the title makes me think of the D&D scene at the beginning of ET where they order a pizza and then request that song for Dee Wallace from the radio station. (I always thought it was sly bribery since we later learn they were not supposed to be ordering pizza 😂)
You are correct! Purdy dang silly isn't it? Bravo, I say. Bravo!
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It didn't occur to me that anyone didn't get that song reference. 😅
I think they essentially did do this retheme, but it was scaled way back and also included Midway Mania. They rethemed the entire pier area, and the boardwalk games when Toy Story was added.
I really wonder how many of these documents are floating around out there, and how many were created but never saw the light of day outside the company.
The California theme was never the key problem. The problem was the large areas of under themed lower budget areas. There were a lot of good bones, but unfortunately about half the park needed to be rebuilt and some of that cheap quality still endures in aspects Pixar Pier and Hollywoodland. But overall I think they've really built the quality of the park up and have done a lot to make this park very impressive and unique. But again, it wasn't so,much the California theme that was a problem at all.
Unfortunately, California Adventure's biggest flaw cannot be fixed: the layout. The classic Disneyland map is so elegant and walkable that it's been replicated in every single park: there's simply no way to improve on it. It's so easy to understand that you don't even need a map. There's always a landmark (or "weenie") to guide you, and the wheel-and-spoke layout ensures you can always find a direct path to wherever you're heading. Compare all that to California Adventure, which appears to have been designed on the IKEA principle of forcing you to walk past all the merchandise. Pixar Pier is a long way from the entrance. Not to mention that there are multiple chokepoints where human traffic piles up. I love some of the rides but the overall experience is just too awful.
DCA was built on the footprint of the original parking lot of Disneyland and was surrounded by a fully built up City of Anaheim. They had to make it fit any way they could. Sorry they didn't start off acres and acres of nothing but orange groves for you. 🙄
@@happiestplace3754 As Imagineer John Hench said, "I liked it better as a parking lot." They could have filled that footprint any number of ways that don't involve intentionally getting people lost. The Imagineers were frustrated that Eisner went into DCA with the mentality of a real estate developer and let business decisions overrule creative ones. In Disneyland, the landmarks help you navigate. In DCA, you had elements like the Golden Gate bridge that were just there to look big and impressive. The park's come a long way but the layout remains a mess.
I agree that the classic Disneyland hub and spoke layout is the best layout for a theme park.
The EPCOT layout, which is roughly shaped like the numeral 8, is also a good theme park layout.
The northern part of the 8 is the loop for the old Future World. The southern part of the 8 is the loop for World Showcase.
@@host_theghost507 John Hench was a genius and he had a point. After I take Disney over, DCA will either revert to being either a California themed park with the California enforced, or bulldozed and turned back into a parking lot.
@thomaslakeman4919 who hurt you and when did the pain start?
That’s the retheme we should’ve gotten! Keep the Fun Wheel, the Sea Carousel, the Silly Symphony Swings, Toy Story Midway Mania, the Sky School coaster, and the other stuff with everything kept intact with the Victorian boardwalk theming! Retheme the many stores and restaurants, the boardwalk games, and the California Screamin’ coaster to a Disney Villains themed coaster, remove the Mali-boomer and replace it with a different drop tower ride, relocate the Jumpin’ Jellyfish ride in favor of the sandcastle play area and have it rethemed to Finding Nemo, etc.!
Hard pas to another drop tower ride we already have one. That’s enough.
@@PsychGirlRaven Right. It could be a different ride altogether and a relocated Jumpin’ Jellyfish ride themed to Finding Nemo!
Spent a lot of time in Pixar Pier first time this year. I would have _loved_ an old time-ification of all the Pixar theming. More carved wood and intricate metal work and stylized Pixar characters!!
It’s a really wack way of introducing Pixar IPs into the park
A derby downs flat ride?! Oh that would have been awesome! My home park (Cedar Point) has a very old and well maintained derby downs that was so much fun.
One of the difficulties I have with enjoying Pixar Pier is that we also fully have Cars Lands, and until it was demolished, It's Tough to Be a Bug/A Bug's Land (though Bug's Land had it's own issues). Now with San Fransokyo in between Cars Land and Pixar pier it's feels even lass as though the Pixar stuff is in a contiguous geographic area of the park. When the IP described by the land can't even be contained in the land, it just feels like lazy IP promotion, rather than a cohesive theming.
Big hero six isn’t Pixar though
@@rexrabbiteerWell, Big Hero 6 is based on a Marvel comic, so now almost half of the park has at least one thing themed to either Pixar or Marvel
Aw, that was good to hear Tony Jay's voice in the commercial again. Loved him as the Treasure Planet narrator.
I do love the aesthetic of turn-of-the-century Americana, so I feel like I'd obviously love to see it come to fruition, but aside from that (and this is absolutely my own opinion), I've always kind of felt a disconnect between Disney and Pixar. I know they were created independently etc, but I've never really been able to equate Pixar as a true part of Disney. Maybe because I was at the exact right age to appreciate the Disney Renaissance, but when I picture "proper" Disney, I picture princes/princesses, fantasy and historical themes. I can 100% understand and appreciate why (I believe) Disney has shifted focus closer to the real world, but for me it creates a gap between what I feel or picture when I think of Disney and what Disney is or is becoming. I think because of this I'm always going to prefer old concepts that better fit into my idea of Disney, and that's not to say that the new plans and rethemes haven't been incredible, but it seems as time goes on Disney is just becoming something else (or maybe I am?).
I think Pixar is more in line with Disney films like "101 Dalmatians" and "The Rescuers," seeing our world from a different perspective. Those Disney films rarely have theme park attractions based on them. It's usually the films that are set in a fantasy universe that do. I think that's why adapting Pixar films into a theme park setting is sometimes a little odd.
@@brentparker7359That's a very good point!
I totally get what you're saying! I grew up during the Disney Renaissance, and although I enjoyed films like The Great Mouse Detective and The Fox and the Hound, to me Disney was all about the fairy tales and fantasy.
@@kristenhanisch8508 I'm glad you were able to parse a meaning out of my ramblings haha! But you nailed it right on the head.
I so desperately need a vacation to disney. It's been 22 years, since I was a kid, and I dream of the day I can go back. I am saving to hopefully go next halloween when it's all decorated. I have no one to go with, but that is my goal. I love your obsession and vast knowledge and research you put in your videos. It keeps my hope up one day I will be able to afford it 😊
The Victorian re-theme is better purely because it woulda had artwork of Disney AND Pixar characters drawn to match the theme. Pixar Pier looks like they had a portfolio of standard issue Pixar images and just slapped em everywhere. Not to mention then the hotel could be a West Coast Boardwalk instead of a Pixar Holiday Inn.
I don't need to read the title. When OHD posts, I click, and my day gets a little better.
Thank you for making life a little bit more fun. 💜
Late reply: But tbh, I think we should've gotten this retheme instead of Pixar Pier.
We nearly got some of these rethemed elements of Paradise Pier and they were presented in a more refined stage in the Blue Sky Celler circa 2009. Like the rethemed exterior for King Triton's Carousel and the themed and covered awning for Mickey's Fun Wheel.
Elements from the Villain's coaster are something which could be recycled along with the shoot the shoots (which was the log-looking flume ride in the 2006 overhead concept art.)
A villains retheme to Screamin would’ve been so cool to see! We need more villain representation in the parks. Hopefully we get to see that Villains Land one day
I prefer to have the heroes and villains together in the stories they're from. Peter Pan and Captain Hook, Ursula and Ariel, Snow White and the Wicked Queen... they're all far more interesting when they have each other to play off of.
Well if that Disneyland Forward thing happens or when the 3rd gate happens we might have a chance.
I really love the idea of honing it in on the turn of the century boardwalk theme. But i’m also very happy with pixar pier. It’s too bad about the villains coaster however because I really would love an outdoor indoor coaster here on the west coast
Honestly this would’ve been really cool! I kinda wish they went through with this to be honest
Outstanding! Your vids are so much fun!! Keep up the good work!
I loved the water play pad with the fore boat. I thought it was so fun as a kid
I think it's a really cool concept! I love the idea of filtering all the carious IP though an Edwardian aesthetic to tie everything together visually.
I thoroughly enjoyed my visit to DCA 1.0, but I was there on a tour for agricultural educators, so I'm sure mine wasn't a typical, everyday guest experience. If I close my eyes, I can still smell the tortilla factory.
When I was at DCA in 2009 or so during it’s first major retheme, the Blue Sky Cellar had an exhibit on the ideas and work going into it. Much of this seems to have flavored what finally happened then - except the California Screaming changes which mostly saw the Mickey Ears replace the generic circle.
Personally, I would have loved a victorian retheme. That sounds fantastic. It feels like we could get better, more creative approaches to ride design than just slapping Pixar onto everything.
It appears as though there was a Cinderella theme, as evidenced by the Pumpkin Coach next to the drop tower. Either it was meant to lead to a Cinderella retheme of the MaliBoomer (as the Clock Tower striking midnight) or Mulholland Madness (as the escape from the ball). Either way, it looks like the queue of either attraction would be somewhat enclosed. I guess that would be order to tell the story of Cinderella getting to the ball (maybe some dress transformation tech from the cancelled Cinderella attraction in New Fantasyland?) or maybe the queues could be remodeled to be the "palace gardens" where Cinderella and Charming fall in love - it would make sense with the waterfront promenade theme. Then the ride itself would surround a structure themed to a clock tower (the MaliBoomer or the tower meant to be built in the middle of Mulholland Madness.) Can you imagine the wild mouse cars themed to pumpkin carriages as you play Cinderella escaping from the ball, with near misses with flats of the castle guards, the prince, and the stepsisters? Or if it was enclosed? It would have finally given Disneyland the Cinderella representation it sorely lacks while making it distinct from the Magic Kingdom. The theme seems as though it'd also be a clever play on the "tunnel of love" trope! But I bet a Cinderella thrill ride would likely not pass muster in the early 2000's. Wild that they decided to choose Snow White and Tiana of all characters to get the thrill treatment.
Amazing! I love these videos.
The log flume-style ride looks like it could be a modernized, larger rework of a nautic jet, which is basically a ride where a boat drops down a ramp and jumps into a pool of water. It’d be very interesting to see how it would work operations- and capacity-wise.
Yeah, I like that they were thinking of bringing in more old-timey rides.
Please, more videos like this! Loved it! Thank you 😊
My ears perked up when you said Studio City and started describing were Ventura Blvd meets Laurel Canyon with the Panera Bread, Bookstar, and First Republic Bank. I was like... that's my street, that's my town. I went inside to see the Millennium Falcon and star wars things they had a few months ago when I got back from the DCP.
Honestly that whole “villains mini land” sounded cool I wish we got that
At least they made the "Mickey's Wheel Of Death" part of it! Brilliant find Vice Admiral Schmidts! I shall have to dally upon this "proposal" for a tad bit! Very interesting!
That boat ride is definitely inspired off the old Chute The Chutes that operated at many parks including Luna Park in Cleveland Ohio.
Just fyi, the Van Eaton galleries are open to the public, not only invitees. And they do it in Burbank, they do it pretty often. You should catch the next one! It’s like a little LA secret.
The log flume was based off of Old Boat Chute rides where you go down a drop. Splash, then get tugged back up backwards
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The preview center for California Adventure before it opened showed a ride called “Bridal Falls” or “Bridal Veil Falls“ that was shown coming around the bend of California, Screamin’ and splashing into the lagoon. It was never mentioned or described. Just a graphic of a phantom attraction that never got green lit. I’m guessing a traditional Shoot the chutes type water ride.
You can see it in the concept art coming down between the orange and the fun wheel
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The villains rollercoaster sounds so cool. I like how my favorite parts of pixer pier is in their version mickey funwheel and silly symphonies i prefer thr final version we got of these two but i think the old project concept had more of a budget
great video as always. I'd like to see the hm queue lore breakdown video.
This was an interesting video with your special twist. Good job buddy.
I like how it’s Pixar Pier. It fits the California theme better than villains since Pixar is at least based in Emeryville, CA near the Bay Area. At the end of the day, I think that’s why it’s Pixar Pier now.
It took years for us to like DCA after it first opened. There were even a few trips when we never even went over there (Disneyland has my heart).
The fans want more Villains! We need an attraction, if not a whole Villains neighborhood!
0:24 Can we just talk about the way Dallin just screamed, "WOO!" 😂😂
I'm guessing the boat ride was going to be patterned after a Shoot the Chutes ride. There was one at Riverview Park in Chicago. I believe there's one at Kennywood called the Pittsburg Plunge.
Yes! The Pittsburgh Plunge is awesome. As much as I love the newer rides at Kennywood, they way they've kept some of the really old rides going is one of the most special things about the park. It's amazing how much of a thrill those older rides still give,
FUN theme park fact...
Knott's Berry Farm actually did have a parachute ride in their Roaring 20's themed section of their park. I wonder if Disney ultimately felt like the concept was too similar/had been done before, thus being one of the reasons they didn't want to theme it too heavily in the aesthetic. Knott's pays ohmage to the area by having a "Gore-ing 20's" scare section there in their boardwalk area (yup, it's called the Boardwalk). I'm glad they went in a different direction, it's not like Knott's could use the Pixar properties
With the exception of the villains land it sounds like old town in Knott’s berry farm…which is literally down the street. No wonder it was scraped
Pizza Oom Mow Mow is one of the best Disney restaurant names
I’ve seen Chris Runco’s concept art for a Mickey glove crank to be turning the fun wheel. I believe that is what the glove is referencing.
I think this was the plan, ‘til Lasiter pushed the Pixar Pier as his omage to himself and Pixar! Remember that The Pier had already been going through the Victorian Change (one I think would have made much more sense stylistically and harmoniously with the park) before Pixar Pier’s unveiling! At the time, I really thought the DCA park was on the right track for outstanding design and presentation. Now? I’m not so sure. 😏 Needless to say, I’ve been like warm to the Pixar “featuring Semi Victorian Mickey” retheme.
It is very cool to see that Disney had already had plans, this far in advance, for stuff like World Of Color, Pixar theming on the boardwalk, and even for small things like the Mater-style attraction, many years before it actually came to DCA. It would have been cool though to have had thatVillains coaster, and especially a fully-fleshed out Pizza Planet. Hopefully that Pizza Planet idea does get used in the future for Pixar Pier!
Also the amount of attractions that this would have added to DCA, would have been insane!
The music on this video is super good 💚
Hearing Tony Jay’s voice doing “friendly” is very very strange, hahaha.
I’d prefer the retheme concept we should’ve gotten over Pixar Pier with plenty of concepts and ideas that could excite us!
I wanna see a dedication to the old Mali boomer ride, no one ever talks about it…. It’s losted in history 😢
I heard Orange Stringer. I remember Orange Stinger as in a bee sting.
Blue Sky concept art is always fun!
Omg I remember that huge CA sign in front of the park i have a pic somewhere of 7yo me with it
That first commercial... how did a park opened in the early 2000s have a commercial that felt so mid 90s?
I was wondering the same thing!
I have a deep love for early 1900's amusement parks, so this overlay would have thrilled me. I'm not sure it would have played as well to the general public though.
Hey, I was at Van Eaton Galleries for the That’s from Disneyland Exhibit! That was one of the Coolest Experiences…
It looks like the tower and the shoot the shoots water ride is based off of Luna Park in Coney Island.
As for the goofys sky school retheme it looks like they wanted to put the tower in the front like queue area… “add new themed structure and tower at entry.” not sure how that would work unless they wanted the queue to be in there. maybe that could be where the stairs upward are? and maybe the ride would look like it weaves in and out of the building when looking at it from the front?
13:14 - I think we need to find out if they replaced that bench or if it's still there.
You know what would be cool? Adding show elements or walls to sky school and putting in some goofy animatronics. Nothing too fancy but that would be sick. The ride scares me but i ride it every time. The lack of goofy or any of the main characters on rides in the parks bothers me.
It sounds like the "trip back in time" concept was used for Buena Vista Street, so it could tie into (old) Hollywood. Not gonna lie though, if California Adventure was themed around different time periods in the golden state, I think people would have enjoyed it a lot more, especially if every Disney character you see was also "retrofitted" to that time period. Here are some ideas that just popped in my head:
Grizzly Peak could have been about the pre-colonization times and how we still need to live with the land today. If you wanted to get wildly progressive with the theme, have a modern take on Frontierland's "Indian village" where people can meet contemporary members of California tribal bands and learn about their unique culture and history. Meet-able characters could have been from "Brother Bear," "Bambi," or "Pocahontas" (though that last one is outdated and the Powhattan tribe was from the East Coast). The Wharf section could have been based around the industrial age, and how important the ocean is. It would have transitioned beautifully into Paradise Pier. Meet-able characters could have been the Newsies (of course) but also a more modern-looking take on "the Little Mermaid" or even "Finding Nemo" if you want to get puppets involved. Condor Flatts was originally intended to be about our state's aviation history, so why not tie that into the early modern period when commercial flights were not available? You could have even had it be the remains of a Spanish villa from the Mission days. Meet-able characters here could have been Mickey (grayscale with a "Plane Crazy" airplane), the Three Cabarallos, and in more recent times, the characters from "Coco." Lastly, if you have an amusement park about the Golden State, you have to mention the gold rush. It's the reason we became a state (apart from James Polk going to war with Mexico, but that's besides the point). Disney doesn't really have a "gold rush" movie, but I could see them tying the farm theme and that time period in with "Home on the Range" in this alternate timeline... on second thought, maybe it's all for the best this didn't happen! XD
Really though, I love my state. We have such diverse habitats, and due to its history as indigenous land, then Spanish territory, a major Pacific Ocean port, pioneer country, then finally one of the states, it really is a blend of different lands and history to begin with. The whole "California-based park in California" gets a bad wrap because of the execution, but if it had been a gorgeous park with plenty to do and actually taught the brats something about how diverse the Golden State is, I think it could have really been something. Nowadays, it feels like there's hardly any California left in the "California Adventure" park, and I still meet way too many adults who've grown up here and don't know any of our history. Disney might have been able to pass on some knowledge, even if it is condensed and sweetened.
I miss California Screamin 😔 The soundtrack made it top notch
I was in jr high and high school going to the parks about once a year thru this specific area. Graduated high school 2006. I'm from Santa Cruz, California. it was always mine and my ilk's opinion that California Screamin was a Homage to the Giant Dripper. Which is one of California's Oldest wooden roller coaster. residing at Santa Cruz Beach Boardwalk. the track layout is all to familiar as a local.
Emotional Whirlwind = Mood Swings
pixar pier is them wanting to retheme but not spend any money on it lol
Yeah, it wouldn't be the first time they half-assed a retheme to save money. (Looking at you, WDW Tomorrowland.)
I love Paradise Pier, and by extension Incredicoaster, but man I kinda wish we got this instead. The villains coaster in particular would've been so cool
I miss those commercials lol
Funny enough, I had the idea that they should’ve replaced Mulholland Madness with a scenic railway coaster themed to Mickey Mouse and now we have Mickey’s Runaway Railway(though putting in a copy of Seven Dwarves Mine Train would also work well, but made into a turn-of-the-century Scenic Railway.
Aloha Dalyn really good and funny as usual..I lived in Santa Cruz for 30 years and loved the Board Walk there and the Villans re-theme of the Roller coaster would be great...I could care less about the Incredibles but..I understand why they picked them..
Thanks again
I like the fantasyland background music.
never replace the bench
The water ride doesn’t look like a log ride, looks like a “shoot the chutes” ride 😊
I think it's no surprise when they look to Chicago for inspiration, given the history of the Disney family. Elias Disney even worked construction on the White City.
So, a themed IP area of the park with a solid Disney spin to help keep it "timeless"?
You should do a top ten best sounds at DisneyLand!
I think Pizza oom mow mow was named to reference The Trashmens - Surfin Bird song
The paradise pier hotel had all kinds of concept art that looked more like the Victorian reimagine
I'm happy with the retheme to Pixar Pier. Now they need to retheme Paradise Gardens and get rid of Golden Zephyr, Jumping Jellyfish and Goofy Sky School. Don't ask what to put in their place but they gotta go.
Claude Frollo just beckoned me
I'm down for all the Haunted Mansion content that you can supply. Consider the gauntlet thrown, sir.
Save the Bench!!!
I think I’m the lame one here. I want all the old stuff back. The orange, the Mickey wheel, the California screaming… I thought the boardwalk thing worked just fine and it had a unique whimsical thing going on. Once they took out the McDonald’s it just went dow hill.
I always say that i think galaxy edge should have replaced that whole corner of the park and become the 'main attraction' at DCA. The whole park is basically a movie IP park anyway
I wish we'd gotten this instead of Pixar Pier. It would've been so cool!
So what you're saying is that even in an alternate timeline with a villians coaster and exquisite theming that Maliburritos would've STILL been closed?? Absolute sacrilege.
The candle man is in the haunted mansion now ! I’m surprised u haven’t posted about it yet
We did get the Victorian re-theme? Wasn’t it Victorian themed since DCA 2.0 until Pixar Pier?
Kind of, but they didn't really commit to it.
Log flumes are pog. 💦
I don't understand why a nice IN PERIOD version of the pier is so darn difficult!!!
Any Victorian boardwalk needs more vampires.
That retheme seems very all over the place. I love it and dislike it at the same time lol. I am happy about the pixar retheme though but will always miss the CA Adventure I grew up with
Hey Offhand. When will you be back to Epcot?
I prefer Pixar Pier over the original retheme of Paradise Pier
That first clip literally sounds like something Dunkey would do