Have this stove and really like it. Sold my heavy but very flame controllable MSR Dragonfly for this stove. BTW, I see you are a reloader by the gear on the top shelf as well as the lead ingots on the bench. Use a nice RCBS turret press and load for .223, .308, .300 Win mag and 6.5 Creedmoor. Love that 6.5 CM!
I did not see anything on the website about running Deasil in the MSR Whisperlite Universal. Being it can operate on Kerosene I want to know if it will operate on Deasil. Jet A1, JP4 and JP5 Fuels. THANKS
When I backpacked, this was my fuel of choice with the international model because it would boil more water than white gas with the same volume of fuel. I had time on my hands so the extra minute wait was no biggie. This stove lived in a sooty bandana inside a crown Royal bag inside the stuff sack.
Agree on the vid and what is said about the stove. Have one myself and its awesome. But I have to say I would highly recommend to experiment with liquid fuel OUTside. With so much wood around you need only one spill and you're a nominee for a darwin award :-/
for the cost of the Universal whisperlite, you could buy the international whisperlite (still does white gas, unleaded, kero, but not isopro), and then buy a top mount canister stove for use with isopro with the money you saved. Much better value.
If you gauge the different jets I believe the largest is the canister jet then liquid gas and smallest kero. I've switched between G and K jets on older Whisperlites and XKG's and my Dragonfly. K jets simmer better in all of them at the expense of high output. MSR did offer a canister version of the Whisperlite called Rapidfire. Priming with alcohol eliminates most if not all sooting.
She's a good lad, Here in New Zealand, the gas we get is really weak. 98/2 Butane to propane (You can still buy MSR but it's 5x more expensive). On a cold camping day here you use 2 gas cans, You put one on the stove (yes gas can on the stove) to heat it up... I'm glad I moved to liquid, its cheaper, more dense, and works even when it drops outside to -25c
Prime with alcohol for a clean burn. Put it directly into the primer cup. Kerosene is better for your stove than pump gas. White gas is cleanest tho but very expensive.
been doing some experiments with the jets to see which will simmer the best with petrol/gasoline. and I'm really surprised that the kerosene jet gets an outstandingly low simmer with petrol, I'm going to try kerosene too to see if that does even better. this stove does everything now it is a genuine all rounder I'm so pleased with the simmer abilities with the UK jet
Love your videos man, but... I´ve used kerosene in stoves for several years and i was taught from the beginning to always bring a small amount of alcohol or alkylate gasoline for preheating since kerosene on a wick or in a bowl will soot.
@@Lorin-GabrielLeaua-fm1lw I haven't used a Whisperlite, but it works in Optimus 111T and Optimus 155. Just remember to preheat with alcohol or alkalyte gasoline.
@@Lorin-GabrielLeaua-fm1lw The 111T is a silent burner complete with tank in a metal box with a lid. The T is for Triple fuel. It burns alcohol, gasoline and kerosene equally well with each fuels own proprietary jet. There is also a multifuel jet that burns kerosene well but it has a choke tube each for gasoline and alcohol. The proprietary jets will give you equal power from each fuel but less cooking time with alcohol, medium time with gasoline and longer time with kerosene. With the choke tube you will have less power with alcohol, medium power with gasoline and higher power with kerosene. The 155 is a twin burner stove in a stainless steel chassie with a similar burner. The difference is the burner of the 155 is fed from the bottom while the 111T burner is fed from the side. None of the above are manufactured anymore so the best source is to buy them from Ebay or its Swedish subsidiary Tradera. Don't mind the age, they're manufactured in the 1970's to 90's. But they're top quality and spare parts are plentiful from the Swedish company Fogas. As for fuel I prefer lighter fluid for charcoal. In Sweden where I live it's a clean high quality kerosene/paraffin type fuel. Much safer than gasoline and more clean burning than diesel fuel. Diesel fuel works but burns with a more yellow flame that produces some soot and takes a bit longer preheating. The lighter fluid burns with a clean blue flame. As a stove for a truck, I'd use the 155 dual burner and keep a can of kerosene for it and burn diesel fuel in emergencies.
Hi! I'm searching on youtube to find videos of the msr universal to see how they perform compared to my own universal. It burns both gas and kerosene with yellow flames. Flames are blue out of all the small holes in the burner head but then yellow over that point. I've done all the cleaning and maintenance adviced by msr but still, yellow flames. And I've understood that is not how it should perfom, yellow flames is an indication on something not working well and producing more carbon monoxide.. Whats your experience with this, any advice you can give me on a solution?
@@megalep7025 It might be your location or altitude. My stoves perform well at many locations and sometimes have yellow or orange flames at other places, but the stove still performs well.
Preheating with ethanol would greatly reduce soot. So much so you could get it going inside the tent without choking yourself out. Also not having to go outside to light it up. 👌🏻
Kerosene is my favorite fuel despite the difficulties because it smells like a jet engine, is safe and pretty inflammable so a spill won’t explode, and it produces the most heat of any fuel
I'm assuming it's different for different materials but just because it's red hot doesn't mean any material is being burned away and since the metal isn't really tempered in any way it shouldn't really change the metal even with the expansion and contraction. A soft metal like brass can probably be heated like this for, essentially, indefinitely. Unless the fire got hot enough to reach the melting point which would destroy it pretty much instantly.
Could you do another video burning turpentine as the fuel with this stove? As we can no longer get kerosene since 2015 in Malaysia, and people here are using turpentine as the substitute.
You're welcome my friend. I just got home from work and picked up some turpentine. I'll be working this weekend so possibly next week sometime I'll get the video done... please stay patient and stay tuned!
i can't speak to this specific appliance but if you accidentally mixed gasoline with kerosene and tried to use that kerosene in a lantern or heater you'd probably start a house-fire. that's because gasoline vaporizes easier and has a much lower flashpoint.
I forgot and left out the most important difference that illustrates the volatility difference. You need Open Flame to light kerosene. You need only a spark to light gasoline. This version of The Whisper light is made to also run on unleaded gas maybe that would be fine. But if you did that with a kerosene lantern and mixed gas you'd probably burn your house down.
JIUJITSU2000 in the hardware store im think im not sure.. in Ace or Walmart. And you can make a video comparing burning this fuel into your msr and your polaris.. because both are very similar and People (like me haha) search a lot this comparison in youtube.. again thanks for yours videos i saw 3 or 4 times each video of yours stove haha
buenti thank you for the support. I'll look into this. The MSR Universal is more efficient on fuels than the Optimus Polaris because the universal has different jets and the Polaris only uses one jet for all fuels.
JIUJITSU2000 yes i saw that in one of the coments of your videos haha im thinking buying the msr because of that and the price.. sorry for my english im from South América
One day I will have that stove, that is the one I am saving up for one day. Just an awesome stove! Kerosene burns with soot like you said but at least you have the option to use it right? ~Dawn
it's an amazing stove... works great never had a single issue with it... there's another stove that I'll be sharing videos with in the near future that is neck-and-neck with this one so you might take a look at that one too... I will be releasing a comparison video between these two stoves... at that point you can probably make your decision on which one you like best. thank you for stopping by I really appreciate the support you give my channel
+jiujitsu2000 I use a stern stove (actually a folding any fuel stove ) .. I don't do high altitudes but think my choices would be different if I did go high . You are very informative .
Made the mistake of buying lantern oil thinking it would burn the same as kerosene. WRONG! It never achieved a blue flame and smoked everywhere turning my percolator into a black mess. Finally started to boil after about 10 minutes. What a hassle. I'll be buying white gas from now on.
For a rookie backpacker I gotta say this series has been nice. Seeing the fuel variations was very informative. Great video JJ2K!
thank you!!
Have this stove and really like it. Sold my heavy but very flame controllable MSR Dragonfly for this stove.
BTW, I see you are a reloader by the gear on the top shelf as well as the lead ingots on the bench. Use a nice RCBS turret press and load for .223, .308, .300 Win mag and 6.5 Creedmoor. Love that 6.5 CM!
I did not see anything on the website about running Deasil in the MSR Whisperlite Universal. Being it can operate on Kerosene I want to know if it will operate on Deasil. Jet A1, JP4 and JP5 Fuels. THANKS
When I backpacked, this was my fuel of choice with the international model because it would boil more water than white gas with the same volume of fuel. I had time on my hands so the extra minute wait was no biggie. This stove lived in a sooty bandana inside a crown Royal bag inside the stuff sack.
Agree on the vid and what is said about the stove. Have one myself and its awesome.
But I have to say I would highly recommend to experiment with liquid fuel OUTside. With so much wood around you need only one spill and you're a nominee for a darwin award :-/
for the cost of the Universal whisperlite, you could buy the international whisperlite (still does white gas, unleaded, kero, but not isopro), and then buy a top mount canister stove for use with isopro with the money you saved. Much better value.
If you gauge the different jets I believe the largest is the canister jet then liquid gas and smallest kero. I've switched between G and K jets on older Whisperlites and XKG's and my Dragonfly. K jets simmer better in all of them at the expense of high output. MSR did offer a canister version of the Whisperlite called Rapidfire. Priming with alcohol eliminates most if not all sooting.
She's a good lad, Here in New Zealand, the gas we get is really weak. 98/2 Butane to propane (You can still buy MSR but it's 5x more expensive). On a cold camping day here you use 2 gas cans, You put one on the stove (yes gas can on the stove) to heat it up... I'm glad I moved to liquid, its cheaper, more dense, and works even when it drops outside to -25c
Great simple vids. Is there significant noticeable smell to the different fuels?? 😳😎
That's a sweet stove. thanks again for sharing
thank you brother there will be another video coming in the near future about a stove comparison between two of my best favorite stoves
Prime with alcohol for a clean burn. Put it directly into the primer cup. Kerosene is better for your stove than pump gas. White gas is cleanest tho but very expensive.
Just found your videos on the whisper lite. Have you tried propane? There are adapter for the canister fitting for uses on 1 lbs propane bottle.
been doing some experiments with the jets to see which will simmer the best with petrol/gasoline. and I'm really surprised that the kerosene jet gets an outstandingly low simmer with petrol, I'm going to try kerosene too to see if that does even better. this stove does everything now it is a genuine all rounder I'm so pleased with the simmer abilities with the UK jet
Yeah, but remember to allways preheat with denaturized akohol.
You're burning gasoline with the kerosene jet is what you're saying? And it improves simmer?
Love your videos man, but... I´ve used kerosene in stoves for several years and i was taught from the beginning to always bring a small amount of alcohol or alkylate gasoline for preheating since kerosene on a wick or in a bowl will soot.
@@Lorin-GabrielLeaua-fm1lw I haven't used a Whisperlite, but it works in Optimus 111T and Optimus 155. Just remember to preheat with alcohol or alkalyte gasoline.
@@Lorin-GabrielLeaua-fm1lw The 111T is a silent burner complete with tank in a metal box with a lid. The T is for Triple fuel. It burns alcohol, gasoline and kerosene equally well with each fuels own proprietary jet. There is also a multifuel jet that burns kerosene well but it has a choke tube each for gasoline and alcohol. The proprietary jets will give you equal power from each fuel but less cooking time with alcohol, medium time with gasoline and longer time with kerosene.
With the choke tube you will have less power with alcohol, medium power with gasoline and higher power with kerosene.
The 155 is a twin burner stove in a stainless steel chassie with a similar burner. The difference is the burner of the 155 is fed from the bottom while the 111T burner is fed from the side.
None of the above are manufactured anymore so the best source is to buy them from Ebay or its Swedish subsidiary Tradera.
Don't mind the age, they're manufactured in the 1970's to 90's. But they're top quality and spare parts are plentiful from the Swedish company Fogas.
As for fuel I prefer lighter fluid for charcoal. In Sweden where I live it's a clean high quality kerosene/paraffin type fuel. Much safer than gasoline and more clean burning than diesel fuel. Diesel fuel works but burns with a more yellow flame that produces some soot and takes a bit longer preheating. The lighter fluid burns with a clean blue flame.
As a stove for a truck, I'd use the 155 dual burner and keep a can of kerosene for it and burn diesel fuel in emergencies.
Hi! I'm searching on youtube to find videos of the msr universal to see how they perform compared to my own universal. It burns both gas and kerosene with yellow flames. Flames are blue out of all the small holes in the burner head but then yellow over that point.
I've done all the cleaning and maintenance adviced by msr but still, yellow flames. And I've understood that is not how it should perfom, yellow flames is an indication on something not working well and producing more carbon monoxide.. Whats your experience with this, any advice you can give me on a solution?
@@megalep7025 It might be your location or altitude. My stoves perform well at many locations and sometimes have yellow or orange flames at other places, but the stove still performs well.
Preheating with ethanol would greatly reduce soot. So much so you could get it going inside the tent without choking yourself out. Also not having to go outside to light it up. 👌🏻
Kerosene is my favorite fuel despite the difficulties because it smells like a jet engine, is safe and pretty inflammable so a spill won’t explode, and it produces the most heat of any fuel
Great videos. I'm wondering can you burn these for hours without damaging them? Like when it's red hot. Will that damage the stove after a while
I'm assuming it's different for different materials but just because it's red hot doesn't mean any material is being burned away and since the metal isn't really tempered in any way it shouldn't really change the metal even with the expansion and contraction. A soft metal like brass can probably be heated like this for, essentially, indefinitely. Unless the fire got hot enough to reach the melting point which would destroy it pretty much instantly.
Could you do another video burning turpentine as the fuel with this stove? As we can no longer get kerosene since 2015 in Malaysia, and people here are using turpentine as the substitute.
Caesar Wong i can't do it I this stove, i gave it to a friend, but I can try it in a whisperlite international
JIUJITSU2000 thanks man, I'll look forward to see that video coming up. God bless 👍🏻
You're welcome my friend. I just got home from work and picked up some turpentine. I'll be working this weekend so possibly next week sometime I'll get the video done... please stay patient and stay tuned!
Are there any dangers/issues with cross contamination by putting different fuels in same bottle???😳😎 purchased my stove at goodwill for $3.99 😳😊😇😎
i can't speak to this specific appliance but if you accidentally mixed gasoline with kerosene and tried to use that kerosene in a lantern or heater you'd probably start a house-fire. that's because gasoline vaporizes easier and has a much lower flashpoint.
I forgot and left out the most important difference that illustrates the volatility difference. You need Open Flame to light kerosene. You need only a spark to light gasoline. This version of The Whisper light is made to also run on unleaded gas maybe that would be fine. But if you did that with a kerosene lantern and mixed gas you'd probably burn your house down.
great job with this
thank you!
Try priming with alcohol/heet/meths much cleaner and quicker
hi thanks for the review.. what type of kerosene do you use? can yo make a video using red dyed kerosene
buenti I just used standard kerosene. Yes, I can look into doing a video using red dyed kerosene. Where do you get that kind at? I'm not sure
JIUJITSU2000 in the hardware store im think im not sure.. in Ace or Walmart. And you can make a video comparing burning this fuel into your msr and your polaris.. because both are very similar and People (like me haha) search a lot this comparison in youtube.. again thanks for yours videos i saw 3 or 4 times each video of yours stove haha
buenti thank you for the support. I'll look into this. The MSR Universal is more efficient on fuels than the Optimus Polaris because the universal has different jets and the Polaris only uses one jet for all fuels.
JIUJITSU2000 yes i saw that in one of the coments of your videos haha im thinking buying the msr because of that and the price.. sorry for my english im from South América
buenti your English is great!
One day I will have that stove, that is the one I am saving up for one day. Just an awesome stove! Kerosene burns with soot like you said but at least you have the option to use it right? ~Dawn
it's an amazing stove... works great never had a single issue with it... there's another stove that I'll be sharing videos with in the near future that is neck-and-neck with this one so you might take a look at that one too...
I will be releasing a comparison video between these two stoves... at that point you can probably make your decision on which one you like best. thank you for stopping by I really appreciate the support you give my channel
+jiujitsu2000 no problem I don't always comment but I sure enjoy it!
+SouthPaw Bushcraft Thank you!
Great Video!
+lonestarrider Thank you brotha!
Which material is the part made of, the one that priming cup attaches to? Is it aluminium or stainless steel?
Deador I believe it's aluminum
Dang, it was the fastest reply in entire You Tube. Thanks.
Deador ha ha, thanks
Have you tried lamp oil yet? It's a lot better than kerosene.
is it not the same thing?
@@musicalintuition it is
Which is better?, msr dragonfly or msr whisperlite universal,?
both
Use alcohol to prime to avoid the mess...
not. a fan of liquid fuel stoves but if it is what you have , it is good to know how best to use them .
+Ben Franklin Thank you. I like them at high altitudes. :-)
+jiujitsu2000 I use a stern stove (actually a folding any fuel stove ) .. I don't do high altitudes but think my choices would be different if I did go high . You are very informative .
+Ben Franklin those work great! thank you!!
you should have primed with meths or bio eternal then you would not get the soot and your stove would stay cleaner
Made the mistake of buying lantern oil thinking it would burn the same as kerosene. WRONG! It never achieved a blue flame and smoked everywhere turning my percolator into a black mess. Finally started to boil after about 10 minutes. What a hassle. I'll be buying white gas from now on.
Love my Soto better than MSR univ . So much better
start op whet etanol hven pri heat the msr stove the msr stove dont derty man born kerosin
Prime it with alcohol
+philip ritson Yes! Thank you