@@JJPrizeDistributionComitteeJust curious, if Russia made a bunch of claims about buildings and children being bombed, would you believe them the way you believe hamas?
@@DavidBradford-cw2fl yes it will, I know you dont consider Palestinians human, so you cant really see how this is a genocide, but for the vast majority of this world that sees Palestinians as humans, this is right up there with the mass tragedies of the 20th century, and will be another shameful stain in humanities long journey, except this time you would support that stain.
Yes, as someone who loves Israel and Jews, I think the current government of Israel is failing its task, in fact, Israelis have been protesting intensely and many aren't happy with what Benyamin has been doing.
everyone talks about the people being killed in gaza, but Don't forget the people who are being killed in israel as we speak. just think about that bud.
Sorry, but do you really think Israel cares about the opinion of people who want the country to be destroyed? These people that screaming about Massacre where the same who didn't care or celebrated the rape, abduction and murder of israeli civilians. They are the people that deny what happened at october 7th.
All sides should agree to a cease-fire , attacks against Israel are unacceptable and must stop however as long as Israel and America and England are seeking regime change in Iran , it would be very hard to negotiate with Iran on areas of mutual concern with regards to Iran and frankly as long as Israel refuses a cease-fire and as long as America is seeking regime change in Iran , it would be very hard to envision peace in the region England , Israel , and America should solve the Iran crisis through peaceful means , not through military action like the one last night Will Iran respond , I don't know but any escalation by Iran or America is unacceptable , the only way to solve the crisis between Israel and Iran is through peace talks , as long as Israel and America are seeking regime change , I don't see how its possible to reach a peace deal Escalation and unilateral military action by America or Israel or Iran without the approval of the UN security council is unacceptable , Iran should work towards peace , this includes taking steps not to drag the region into war . America and Israel and Iran should implement reforms aimed at finding a peaceful solution Iran and England are slowly improving relations after years of bad relations , Iran is also improving relations with Europe , so the long term Israeli and American policy towards Iran should be peace not war , America and Israel and Iran should avoid a direct war , America and Israel should also remove the sanctions imposed on Iran if there is any chance of a peace agreement with regards to the crisis Again as long as Israel refuses to agree to a cease-fire and as long as America is seeking regime change in Iran and as long as Iran is refusing to recognize America and Israel as real countries , I don't see a peaceful end to the crisis The damage on nuclear sites and army bases a limited , this is either due to a failure on the part of America and Israel or this could be because Iran's military shot down most of the missiles but this latest escalation should end , and all sides should agree to a cease-fire
I disagree. According to recent polls, 70% of the US citizens support Israel 100%. That means only 30% are affected by the propaganda. This is consistent with the history I've read. The German National Socialists before WW2 (I won't say their real name since youtube will hate me for it) only captured 30% of the German vote. If you read the history of WW2 you'll get a good idea why this allowed the socialists to come to power.. but the original point stands.. only a third of any population normally responds to propaganda in a way that is consistent with what the propagandists want. Most people can see through it. And Americans, God bless them, exemplify this point at this moment in history.
@@Aleksus I think you will find that the IDF are more interested in Propaganda rather than truth. They have continiuosly liead in the other wars they had about some slaughters the y have done, so why would you believe them now. All the Hamas figures for the dead civilians were always veryfied as being as a ccurate as they could be and all this in hind sight again and again and again over decades. Soask yourelf a serious question and try and use critical thinking. who is telling the truth?
That's not entirely accurate. For some reason our state simply does not participate in it. Every time, every conflict is being carried by bloggers and some journalists - usually non-Israeli. I mean, Murray has helped Israel more in the last six months than everything the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and IDF spokesman have done ever.
Russia is illegally occupying ukraine and invades ukraine Douglass: omg these whte people look so much like us how could russia do this😮 Israel has been illegally occupying palestine for the past 75 years and has set up an apartheid regime to artificially attain an ethonationalist state at the expense of the generations of people living there and when they fight back they are the "aggressors". Douglass: Omg look at the mOzLeMz they are a bunch of terrorists they hate the jews so much and Islam is evil. Also I am an athiest but god promised the land to the jews they must take it no matter the cost😢😢
@@snehashispanda4808 yes using same idiotic arguments... it makes you think when you are willing to accept one but not the other right? I prefer tommy robinson at least he admits why he really supports israel which has nothing to do with the isreal and palestine. Douglas murray fails when he debates any right wing critic of israel because we can smell that pro IDF leftist woke sjw BS. What does dogulas murray have? Gay rights? Womens rights? Evil arab colonizers from 1000 years ago? Come on... i dont think homophobia constitutes death penalty let alone death penalty for the children of homophobes yet douglas murray makes that claim all the time and zio rightoids eat that.
Y’all know this is absolutely insane right?! The death of Palestinian civilians is astronomically high, in both raw numbers and as a percentage of deaths vs Hamas deaths. Women and children are being slaughtered. Even if Hamas is hiding in the buildings, you don’t blow up the whole building. You go in and get the ones u want. There will be civilian casualties either way but you exponentially reduce that number. If a serial killer is hiding in a school or hospital, you’re not going to blow up the whole building. Why do we think it’s ok when Israel does it with Hamas?! Above and beyond that, we understand that the Hamas terror attack in Oct 2023 didn’t happen in a vacuum, right? Gaza has been an open air prison with limited resources getting in for a VERY long time. Look, the Jewish people experienced one of the greatest tragedies this world has ever seen, and that says a lot! That doesn’t give them free reign to just do the exact same thing to a group of people EVER, much less when it’s less than 100 years since their own situation. Israel has more than proven its point. They don’t need to stop the war against Hamas, but they absolutely should stop the annihilation of the Palestinian people and their infrastructure. Go after the people that attacked you. Otherwise ur no better than they are. It’s terrorism both ways!
I'd rather take the opinion of someone who has published several best selling books, has been to Gaza and been to Ukraine during the respective wars rather than some idiot like you
@@daneyal7162Facts or different truths to suite a certain narrative can be monetized. Journalist and even politician need an audience and narrative to stay relevant. Sheeple are your target market (logic)
If Ukraine massacred 30k civilians we'd criticize them too. *sigh* It's not surprising to see Bill and this guy completely ignore the Palestinian people; they don't exist in Bill's mind.
35k are the deaths in total, it's not only civilians. Most of them happened to be men (which it can include combatants) and children. Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties by telling Gazans to leave the area by roof knocking, phone calls, leaf lets, radios, TVs, etc before they operate it. Next time, separate civilians from combatants.
@@thecowboy2541 May 14 (Reuters) - Palestinian health authorities say Israel's ground and air campaign in Gaza has killed more than 35,000 people, mostly civilians. Last week Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said 14,000 Hamas fighters and 16,000 Palestinian civilians had been killed in the war.
These people pretending that they cannot see the difference between the Ukraine situation and the Israel situation must be proud at being able to simulate such levels of obtuseness.
Finally, somebody who could see through him. That guy is really a despicable one considering his same 'shaking head' method he use when someone counter his argument.
Jesus was a Jew from Judea. You can't be Christian and pretend that Islamic terror directed through Iran to eliminate all Jews from Israel is what any historic Christian, much less Jesus, would have wanted. BTW, there is no genocide of Arabs.
Instead of arguing with Zionists in debates they should just ask questions. 1. What did netanyhu mean when he showed at the UN meeting of a map of greater Israel. 2. What did they mean when the said they are Amalak. 3. what genocidal rhetoric has been said by the Israeli government? 4. Why are DNA ancestoral test illegal in Israel if not that nobody is from there? 5. How is it that someone who has never been there and isn't genetically from there has a right of return and yet Palestinians who literally had their grandfather's home there can't visit. 6. What about mowing the lawn and the hanibal directive 7. Why are their so many Jewish critics of Israel 8. What's up with the red heifer 9. If most Israelis are atheists who do they believe God gave them the land?
Most Israelis don't believe that God gave them the land. They believe Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. That's where Jewish people originated from. The land was originally called Judea.
No it doesn't. Since we are discussing a specific war, which started on Oct 7th. There is no point in discussing the rockets Hamas was firing into Israel for over a decade before Oct 7th. Cause Israel wasn't responding to those attacks. What would you liked to have discussed instead? The 1929 Hebron massacre?
@@MustardSkaven I see so the fact kids were being killed before 7 Oct doesn't mean anything to you, and every vile thing they did before Oct 7 doesn't count for you , you don't care for the fact hamas is reacting and not starting something , good to know that you only count when certine people die.
@@MustardSkaven what about the 70 plus years of Occupation and the thousands of people killed because of countless massacres by the Israeli Government? Even before Hamas was a thing(created by israel) ,there were countless palestinians killed and lands stolen so is Hamas really the enemy of Israel or a way to get rid of the whole of the Palestinian Population slowly and steal their lands because of some verses in a book interpreted to have given rights to steal someone else's land?qould u guys have supported Muslims if they said the land of Spain is theirs because historically it once was theirs?
Starvation in Gaza, because all the humanitarian aid goes to the terrorists while their population is starving. But of course that's the Jews' fault too
He's downplayed nothing, if Gazans were starving as much as their propaganda said they were there would be literally no one left alive. 4 months of apparently no food, no water, no gas, no aid, and yet Palestinian journalists and influencers looks exactly the same making daily videos on their iPhones.
Nothing has been done to them. They've taken in billions of dollars, been given land to rule their own people then they created a terrorism base so evil that Egypt built a wall to keep them out. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc want none of them.
It's been fascinating watching Bill Maher dive deeper and deeper into his pro-Zionist propaganda echo chamber. Funny how all the comedians who scream about censorship and cancel culture are the best at stifling real political dissent on their own platforms. Would love to see what kind of knowledge Mehdi Hasan, Ilan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Naomi Klein, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky or any number of other critics of Israel would bring to this show.
Start by implementing international Law. Israel can start by implementing international law, withdraw from 67 borders and return of Palestinean refugees. After that, they can get the same support as Ukraine or even more.
Hamas has been in power since 2005 (and only in Gaza, not the West Bank). Israel has terrorized Palestinians without provocation since 1948. What excuse for Israeli war crimes are you going to use after Hamas is gone?
this is not about Hamas, this is about the Muslims in 7 oct every Muslim was happy for what's happened, i live in a Muslim country i see even my own family enjoy the terror that happened at that day, i really want for people to understand this.
@@iangrimley6515 where were you when millions of Chinese Muslims were massacred? The hate for Israel from the Islamic community is appalling. They need no excuse to respond to coward terrorists.
Except now that the UN stopped believing Hamas made up numbers, it updated its numbers to 7500, not 15000. It’s still awfully a lot, but in a population of 50+% of children, 7500 it of 35000 dead shows that the bombings don’t try to target children at all. And all that without even considering that many youth in Gaza fight with Hamas but are still registered as children
I'd call you all psychos, but it feels like even the people on the panel don't really believe what they're saying. That's the vibe I'm picking up at least.
While I am against Putin’s attack on Ukraine it is in fact a eastern Europeans country with historical ethnic & cultural ties to Russia & was formerly a part of Soviet Union
@@charlottegranger1449 They should be friends, like Denmark and Norway are friends despite Denmark having "owned" Norway for 400+ years. But that is only possible if the independence is respected...
You can't put out 80% of a fire? But you light a fire in every victim who loses a loved one. So you can't put out 80% of a fire really means you are advocating for wiping out everyone. Unless of course you can explain why a surviving orphan doesn't grow up to become the thing you are trying to destroy. Murray is smart enough to know the implication which is extremely sinister.
In your comment you saying in other words that Israel have killed 80% of the population and left to destroy the other 20% is that what you saying ? Maybe they will not grow to do the same if there will be no indoctrination to hate jews from the government ( hama*s) and from unrwa schools 80% of hamas military capabilities is destroyed and the 20% is still on the way
But why does everyone on the pro Palestine side never want to acknowledge what happened to the civilians on 10/7? I really don’t have a side I support but it is wild to me that everyone complains about how Israel is hurting civilians when Hamas did the same thing. They still are holding some of those people hostage. Why is that ignored?
@emma2370 Killing of any unarmed civilians is wrong including Israeli ones and most if not all Pro Palestinians acknowledge that. Perhaps you aren't listening to prominent pro Palestinian voices but to compare Hamas with Israel is intellectually inept, sorry to say. Furthermore, a year past Oct 7th, have you investigated the claims set forth in western media about Oct 7th? For example, how the operation started hitting military posts and then attempting to capture as many civilians in order to exchange for Palestinians held without any charge in Israeli prisons. Or how many Israeli civilians were killed by the the IDF according to the Hanibal directive which is an Israeli directive to kill their own civilians/citizens to prevent them from being taken captive, or civilians being killed in cross fire. How about the now debunked claims of mass rape and beheaded babies? If you haven't hears any if these facts, I'd suggest listening to independent journalists such as Max Blumenthal or Jon Elmer. I'm not suggesting Hamas did not commit wrong doings on Oct 7th but the whole Israeli narrative and western media frames it in such a way as if Israel is a victim and not the aggressor. Bottom line is if you occupy a group of people, resistance will always follow including violent ones.
The two are completely different case, but the common thing between the two is isreal is surrounded by hostile neighbours that seek its destruction, Ukraine has Russian neighbour that seek its destruction
Well Israel got The Netherlands disqualified by stalking the artist while there was a no filming agreement. Plus Israel is not Europe. If Russia that is Europe, isn't allowed why would Israel be
@@Marta-oc8ngLOL. If he really assaulted someone they would never have let him join the official after party. They knew that he didn't wanted to get filmed after the semis and they kept trying. He pushed the camera away. No one got assaulted. you people are crazy
People are blinded by Israel. Think about it, Many Americans are willing to take food from their own childrens mouths and send it to Israel. It's like hypnosis
But most people were for Israel after the attack. They didn't not instantly turn against Israel. But as most life of Palestinian are lost not humas people gradually turn against them. It changed from war with hamas to war with innocent people of Palestine. As much as America killed a lot of people while searching for Isis but it felt like American were investing on intelligent to pin them down. While Isreal practicing it more in a genocide manner to Palestinians.
Says who? Hamas? The narrative of "palistinian cause" funded by the same ilk who brought you "Iranian Revolution"? Which Ideology thinks blowing themselves and children up is morally justified and will give you some special blessing? Which Ideology tries to get sympathy for those actions since decades by claiming they are "supressed" and "invaded" and "occupied" by the Westerners when their own authorities are doing such things day in and out?
Hamas started with their horrible attack on civilians the current situation. Of course Israel doesn't tolerate this savage attack on it's people. No other country would tolerate it either. Israel is not the one who got this started. But strangely enough everyone is out to make Israel the villain. Disgusting! No, I'm not Jewish!
you can't condemn people to subjugation. chiefly because none of them will tolerate it forever. does the brit whose empire was forced back to its native shores not remember that inconvenient nugget of history?
It wasn't forced back to its native shores. It began scaling itself down after WW2 because it was not economically beneficial or sustainable and a massive movement promoting independence and self determination for the colonies, had started both in the UK and its overseas territories. The next step was to take the logical and best move, which was to then grant full independence to those peoples that wanted it and those that wanted to keep close ties with the UK regarding trade and political relations, were made to be members of the commonwealth.
@@davidtran9444 well civil unrest was certainly a factor in certain dominions, but the only colony that expelled the British purely by force was the United States and perhaps Ireland but then you get into the debate as to whether Ireland was a colony or not, personally id say on paper it wasn't but to the people living there it was. There were certainly uprisings and wars, and they did play a part, but ultimately it was because of what i mentioned above that was the cause of the dismantling of the British empire, if it wasn't there would be no commonwealth, it would not and could not exist. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations If any conflicts were the cause of the end of the British empire, it would be WW1 and WW2 and this was because fighting these wars bankrupted the UK. Funnily enough the biggest volunteer army in history was from the former British colony which is India in WW2. Nobody tipped their cap and said cheerio, and the only people to ever "force the British back to their native shores" were the Nazis in 1940 and that was anything to do with colonialism or empire. You could argue the French did following the 100 years war, but that was really just the English who were ruled by a King who was descended from French. Complicated old business is history.
@@davidtran9444 well civil unrest was a factor, but the only colony to rid itself of the British purely by force was the United States, it could be said that the Irish did also but that opens up a whole new debate as to whether Ireland was a colony or not, I'm of the opinion that it wasn't on paper but it was to people who lived there, but thats a whole different conversation. If any war or conflicts were the most instrumental in dismantling the British empire, it was WW2, but that was because it bankrupted the empire. That was also the only conflict in which the British got forced back to their native shores, and that wasn't by any indigenous peoples of a colony, but the Nazis. You could argue the French did following the 100 years war, however that was more just the English , who were ruled by a king of French descent funnily enough. But as empires go, the British empire scaled itself back in quite a methodical manner which was in the way that i described above. If that were not true, there could not and would not have been a commonwealth which still exists to this day and has 56 countries as members.
Well, if we're talking about fairness, then let's shine a light on the situation. Israel never gets a fair break? Really? I suppose decades of land appropriation, forced displacement, and military occupation don't count as a leg up, huh? Or maybe the unsettling truth that they can take lives while never facing accountability for their actions. Last time I checked, the scale was tipping quite generously in Israel's favor, with a whole state carved out through tactics that would make Machiavelli blush. And let's not forget the not-so-subtle backing from a certain superpower, which conveniently provides enough firepower to give Goliath a run for his money. So, forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears for poor old Israel and its supposed lack of fairness. It's like watching a heavyweight boxer complain about never winning a fight while standing on the neck of their opponent. So cut the dramatics! 🎻 We have been awakened to the realities that have unfolded for decades in PALESTINE, and what Bill Maher and his Zionist sympathizing guest spew, is nothing but Propaganda
@@holemogaming8677 Oh, how utterly narcissistic to assume I was trying to impress you! My apologies for shattering your illusions, but your feelings? They're just not on my radar 😂😂
@@Junito24 get of your high horse. israelis were displaced from gaza, not the other way round. we have tried to compromise over and over again. and hamas has rejected every time
"When it comes to Ukraine, everyone was egging them on.......But when it comes to the Israelis, never allowed to win." This is an example of false equivalency and isn't even true to begin with. Extremely frustrating and disingenuous.
Get what? Notice how they never described what winning actually is and what happens thereafter. The implications of “winning” was quite nebulous by design by these 2 propagandists.
@@velocirshtr3756 The winner is the side that makes the other side stop fighting for their goals and enforces their own goals. The loser is the side that stops fighting and accepts the winners conditions. (Think Imperial Japans surrender to America on the mighty Mo).
Hamas still is holding hostages so yes I would argue they are in imminent danger from Hamas. What nation of the planet would not respond in some way to its citizens being murdered and held hostage?
Well... In Ukraine.. Winning means getting your internationally recognized property back. For Israel, winning seems to mean either killing an idea or vengeance. How else do we accept a casualty count of 10-1 in their favour. One thing if your smashing tanks at a rate of 10 of theirs to one of yours. Quite another when you're smashing people at that rate and most of them are non-combatant. It's just not as simple as Israel's apologists make it out to be. He IS right about who started this particular war.
I mean if 35,000 Russian civilians were dying during Ukraines counteroffensive, I think we would be questioning that war too. But right now its only armed combatants that are being killed, plus or minus come civilian casualties who are caught in the crossfire.
Why don’t we give California or New York to the Palestinians? Let’s just say you’d be best to keep Muslims and Jews away from the Americas as best we can- for our own safety
@@SpecialAgentSamCooperthe Palestinians have not invented anything beyond weapons. (You can google that). Meanwhile Israel has invented so so much. Cherry tomatoes, the camera pill they use in surgeries, drip irrigation, the list goes on and on.
And they still would want the jews to die for the evilness of having a state in what belongs to "Allah" and should be under Allahs rules (the whole globe apperantly by the way....)
I've been thinking the same thing about the hypocritical attitudes towards Ukraine and Israel, it's the same people who wore Ukraine flags and BLM t-shirts years ago that are now condemning Israel, flavour of the month protests.
what would you label innocent palestinians as in this hamas - fire analogy? Yes you have to put out 100% of a fire to put it completely out but I don't think reality is as simple as that. Also, has Ukraine treated Russia similarly to Israels treatment of Palestine in the past? Truly asking here, please tell me. I don't see comparing and contrasting both conflicts in this way beneficial at all
What is wrong with you? He didn't call all 'Palestinians' a fire to be put out. He quite clearly was talking about Hamas, the ones causing the conflict.
@@Oxley016 Yes, but he said this in support of Israel's intentional targeting of civilian targets, use of aerial bombardment, and blocking of supplies into Gaza. So you are correct that he was talking about Hamas but the response is not limited to the leadership, despite his claims.
Strange that in the statement he made he correctly identified that people were celebrating when Ukraine was taking BACK IS TERRITORY, but not celebrating when Israel was TAKING PALESTINIAN TERRITORY. Yes, Douglas, quite strange the discrepancy 🧐 Douglas sole claim to be smart is that he has an English accent.
Wait, what do you consider Palestinian territory? The west bank, which was controlled by Jordan before 1967? The Gaza strip which was controlled by Egypt? Methinks you're a bit shaky on the history here...
The reason why Ukraine and Israel is treated differently is the fact that too many people only see power imbalance as the measure of right and wrong.
Or maybe because one is a Holy War based on religious zealots and the other is a land grab by Russia.
Just curious, how many apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools has Ukraine obliterated?
@@JJPrizeDistributionComitteenonsequitur
Even when the ideology doesn't match. That's the dangerous part.
@@JJPrizeDistributionComitteeJust curious, if Russia made a bunch of claims about buildings and children being bombed, would you believe them the way you believe hamas?
I just love how this is digital and will never be lost. There will come a time where saying these names would be a kin to saying Hitler.
Not even close lol
@@DavidBradford-cw2fl yes it will, I know you dont consider Palestinians human, so you cant really see how this is a genocide, but for the vast majority of this world that sees Palestinians as humans, this is right up there with the mass tragedies of the 20th century, and will be another shameful stain in humanities long journey, except this time you would support that stain.
Absolutely right
Its how many times they admitted to exactly what they are doing, they are really shameless. antis3mitism is nothing more than quoting them.
Nobody is complaining that Israel is "winning" the war against Hamas. People are complaining that thousands of women and children are being massacred.
Yes, as someone who loves Israel and Jews, I think the current government of Israel is failing its task, in fact, Israelis have been protesting intensely and many aren't happy with what Benyamin has been doing.
That's how war works buddy
everyone talks about the people being killed in gaza, but Don't forget the people who are being killed in israel as we speak. just think about that bud.
Sorry, but do you really think Israel cares about the opinion of people who want the country to be destroyed? These people that screaming about Massacre where the same who didn't care or celebrated the rape, abduction and murder of israeli civilians. They are the people that deny what happened at october 7th.
What about all of the hostages? Are they not innocent civilians too?
"The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous." - George Orwell
All sides should agree to a cease-fire , attacks against Israel are unacceptable and must stop however as long as Israel and America and England are seeking regime change in Iran , it would be very hard to negotiate with Iran on areas of mutual concern with regards to Iran and frankly as long as Israel refuses a cease-fire and as long as America is seeking regime change in Iran , it would be very hard to envision peace in the region
England , Israel , and America should solve the Iran crisis through peaceful means , not through military action like the one last night
Will Iran respond , I don't know but any escalation by Iran or America is unacceptable , the only way to solve the crisis between Israel and Iran is through peace talks , as long as Israel and America are seeking regime change , I don't see how its possible to reach a peace deal
Escalation and unilateral military action by America or Israel or Iran without the approval of the UN security council is unacceptable , Iran should work towards peace , this includes taking steps not to drag the region into war .
America and Israel and Iran should implement reforms aimed at finding a peaceful solution
Iran and England are slowly improving relations after years of bad relations , Iran is also improving relations with Europe , so the long term Israeli and American policy towards Iran should be peace not war , America and Israel and Iran should avoid a direct war , America and Israel should also remove the sanctions imposed on Iran if there is any chance of a peace agreement with regards to the crisis
Again as long as Israel refuses to agree to a cease-fire and as long as America is seeking regime change in Iran and as long as Iran is refusing to recognize America and Israel as real countries , I don't see a peaceful end to the crisis
The damage on nuclear sites and army bases a limited , this is either due to a failure on the part of America and Israel or this could be because Iran's military shot down most of the missiles but this latest escalation should end , and all sides should agree to a cease-fire
6 days war Israel owned 52 muslims countires to beg
Israel rules
Muslims weak
Simple.
I don't know if Israel will loose the belic war but they for sure lost the propaganda war.
This is because of people like you who puts too much into "propoganda" instead of a real truth
I disagree. According to recent polls, 70% of the US citizens support Israel 100%. That means only 30% are affected by the propaganda. This is consistent with the history I've read. The German National Socialists before WW2 (I won't say their real name since youtube will hate me for it) only captured 30% of the German vote. If you read the history of WW2 you'll get a good idea why this allowed the socialists to come to power.. but the original point stands.. only a third of any population normally responds to propaganda in a way that is consistent with what the propagandists want. Most people can see through it. And Americans, God bless them, exemplify this point at this moment in history.
@@Aleksus I think you will find that the IDF are more interested in Propaganda rather than truth. They have continiuosly liead in the other wars they had about some slaughters the y have done, so why would you believe them now. All the Hamas figures for the dead civilians were always veryfied as being as a ccurate as they could be and all this in hind sight again and again and again over decades. Soask yourelf a serious question and try and use critical thinking. who is telling the truth?
Now that people can see through all the pro-Palestinian lies, many have joined the fight with Israel 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
That's not entirely accurate. For some reason our state simply does not participate in it.
Every time, every conflict is being carried by bloggers and some journalists - usually non-Israeli. I mean, Murray has helped Israel more in the last six months than everything the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and IDF spokesman have done ever.
Comparing Israel to Ukraine is slimy asf
Russia is illegally occupying ukraine and invades ukraine
Douglass: omg these whte people look so much like us how could russia do this😮
Israel has been illegally occupying palestine for the past 75 years and has set up an apartheid regime to artificially attain an ethonationalist state at the expense of the generations of people living there and when they fight back they are the "aggressors".
Douglass: Omg look at the mOzLeMz they are a bunch of terrorists they hate the jews so much and Islam is evil. Also I am an athiest but god promised the land to the jews they must take it no matter the cost😢😢
Douglas Murray really needs to stop cosplaying as some kind of a serious journalist. It’s getting embarrassing.
When you cant win the argument play the anti-semitism card
When you know you’ve lost the argument play the “you’re pretending it’s antisemitism card”.
Brilliant
Also the other side play the Islamophobia card most of the time.
@@snehashispanda4808 yes using same idiotic arguments... it makes you think when you are willing to accept one but not the other right? I prefer tommy robinson at least he admits why he really supports israel which has nothing to do with the isreal and palestine. Douglas murray fails when he debates any right wing critic of israel because we can smell that pro IDF leftist woke sjw BS. What does dogulas murray have? Gay rights? Womens rights? Evil arab colonizers from 1000 years ago? Come on... i dont think homophobia constitutes death penalty let alone death penalty for the children of homophobes yet douglas murray makes that claim all the time and zio rightoids eat that.
@@orrinkom3829 You think this comment is brilliant? How so?
Does Bill Maher ever engage with competent people who disagree with his positions, or is he just that much of a coward?
A coward.
@@JohnnyFx83 for sure.
I take it you've never watched an episode before?
@@sgreenwald4 oh please.read a book instead.
Fully agree with; when he can't hv a counter argument he fabricated a lie.
I think problem is that they believe they're the Chosen Ones & can do & take what they want.
Really? 0.015billions in the world vs 2 billions muslims? Who take what they want?
It didn't start recently at all - this started over 70 years ago.
Yes, and it was started - and continued - by the Arabs for a good 40 years. Look up the ”three nos of Khartoum”
Actually, this started in the 7th century when Arabs colonized Israel.
@@robloxjada61at that time it wasn't israel and wasn't in the hands of the jews either
No, brother, it started in Africa around two million years ago,
The conflict started 100+ years ago. But the current war most definitely started on Oct 7th. Try to keep up.
Y’all know this is absolutely insane right?! The death of Palestinian civilians is astronomically high, in both raw numbers and as a percentage of deaths vs Hamas deaths. Women and children are being slaughtered. Even if Hamas is hiding in the buildings, you don’t blow up the whole building. You go in and get the ones u want. There will be civilian casualties either way but you exponentially reduce that number. If a serial killer is hiding in a school or hospital, you’re not going to blow up the whole building. Why do we think it’s ok when Israel does it with Hamas?! Above and beyond that, we understand that the Hamas terror attack in Oct 2023 didn’t happen in a vacuum, right? Gaza has been an open air prison with limited resources getting in for a VERY long time. Look, the Jewish people experienced one of the greatest tragedies this world has ever seen, and that says a lot! That doesn’t give them free reign to just do the exact same thing to a group of people EVER, much less when it’s less than 100 years since their own situation. Israel has more than proven its point. They don’t need to stop the war against Hamas, but they absolutely should stop the annihilation of the Palestinian people and their infrastructure. Go after the people that attacked you. Otherwise ur no better than they are. It’s terrorism both ways!
Douglas Murray seems like he is a good bloke. To lie this much, not even he believed in what he was saying. What a disapointment.
I used to be a fan of Douglas but he is so one sided and blinded by ideology it’s saddening.
He’s not blinded: he’s being paid 💲💲💲💲 to be one-sided
He's rotten to the core. You can tell he has so much hatred
This man's entire career is built on deceit and sycophancy.
That’s the damn truth. I wish the comment got more reactions.
Douglas Murray, the best habitual fearmongering career thus far by any human.
Very true and yet he is scared to stand for office 😂😂😂😂
I'd rather take the opinion of someone who has published several best selling books, has been to Gaza and been to Ukraine during the respective wars rather than some idiot like you
You fear him because he brings you facts and logic, something you seemingly lack.
@@daneyal7162 facts that are convenient to him
@@daneyal7162Facts or different truths to suite a certain narrative can be monetized. Journalist and even politician need an audience and narrative to stay relevant. Sheeple are your target market (logic)
If Ukraine massacred 30k civilians we'd criticize them too. *sigh* It's not surprising to see Bill and this guy completely ignore the Palestinian people; they don't exist in Bill's mind.
So are you criticizing Hamas?
@@symphonymelody9235this is a bullshit argument. Bibi propped them up so he could never have to have a two state solution.
The UN cut those numbers by half. What remains its mostly Hamas casualties
35k are the deaths in total, it's not only civilians. Most of them happened to be men (which it can include combatants) and children. Israel is trying to avoid civilian casualties by telling Gazans to leave the area by roof knocking, phone calls, leaf lets, radios, TVs, etc before they operate it. Next time, separate civilians from combatants.
@@thecowboy2541
May 14 (Reuters) - Palestinian health authorities say Israel's ground and air campaign in Gaza has killed more than 35,000 people, mostly civilians.
Last week Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said 14,000 Hamas fighters and 16,000 Palestinian civilians had been killed in the war.
What a tool
These people pretending that they cannot see the difference between the Ukraine situation and the Israel situation must be proud at being able to simulate such levels of obtuseness.
And the Oscar goes to Douglas Murray.
Finally, somebody who could see through him. That guy is really a despicable one considering his same 'shaking head' method he use when someone counter his argument.
@@TheRazitubehe is dispiceble
As a white Christian Free Palestine from Occupation and Genocide 🙏 ✝️ 🇵🇸
you've never been there have you ?
@@Desi365 There's nothing left after the Occupation forces of evil have killed all life and destroyed everything ?
Jesus was a Jew from Judea. You can't be Christian and pretend that Islamic terror directed through Iran to eliminate all Jews from Israel is what any historic Christian, much less Jesus, would have wanted. BTW, there is no genocide of Arabs.
As a nonbrainwashed atheist, free women from an oppressive culture which is the core of Hamas who uses civilians as human shields!!!!
Instead of arguing with Zionists in debates they should just ask questions. 1. What did netanyhu mean when he showed at the UN meeting of a map of greater Israel. 2. What did they mean when the said they are Amalak. 3. what genocidal rhetoric has been said by the Israeli government? 4. Why are DNA ancestoral test illegal in Israel if not that nobody is from there? 5. How is it that someone who has never been there and isn't genetically from there has a right of return and yet Palestinians who literally had their grandfather's home there can't visit. 6. What about mowing the lawn and the hanibal directive 7. Why are their so many Jewish critics of Israel 8. What's up with the red heifer 9. If most Israelis are atheists who do they believe God gave them the land?
Care to find the clip of “Netanyahu’s map of Greater Israel” for me?
DNA tests aren’t illegal in Israel.
I would like to read your answers to all your questions!
Recently they have erased Palestine from their maps their is no Gaza and no West Bank @shishkabab422
Most Israelis don't believe that God gave them the land. They believe Israel is the ancient homeland of the Jewish people. That's where Jewish people originated from. The land was originally called Judea.
'And the Saudis will be keen on the gays ' I burst out laughing.Thanks Douglas
Alan Turing?
B I G O T.
@@elkobit7415 😂😂😂 C’mon Man!
Saudis are Israeli American allies. 😂
because republicans love the gays too
Free Palestine
palestine doesnt exist
Free them mr superhero please
From your idiocy.
Free Israel
I agree. Free Palestine. From Hamas.
So two jews agree israel is totally defending itself and didnt start this by being unilaterally declared in someone else's land.
Israelis aren't in someone else's land.
Both aren't Jews lol
@@אפקאליאב which of them is not Jewish?
@@bethanndavis115 how were Israelis not in someone else's land when it wasnt called Israel until 1948, and they were there?
@@אפקאליאב which one isnt?
So anything before oct 7 doesn't count?
No it doesn't. Since we are discussing a specific war, which started on Oct 7th.
There is no point in discussing the rockets Hamas was firing into Israel for over a decade before Oct 7th. Cause Israel wasn't responding to those attacks.
What would you liked to have discussed instead? The 1929 Hebron massacre?
@@MustardSkaven I see so the fact kids were being killed before 7 Oct doesn't mean anything to you, and every vile thing they did before Oct 7 doesn't count for you , you don't care for the fact hamas is reacting and not starting something , good to know that you only count when certine people die.
@@MustardSkaven what about the 70 plus years of Occupation and the thousands of people killed because of countless massacres by the Israeli Government? Even before Hamas was a thing(created by israel) ,there were countless palestinians killed and lands stolen so is Hamas really the enemy of Israel or a way to get rid of the whole of the Palestinian Population slowly and steal their lands because of some verses in a book interpreted to have given rights to steal someone else's land?qould u guys have supported Muslims if they said the land of Spain is theirs because historically it once was theirs?
@@MustardSkavenlet’s go back to when this all started when the Arabs conquered and forced people to convert Islam by the sword.
@@MustardSkavenIt is very much not a war in any basic sense. The majority of casualties are women and children. This is a weak argument.
He downplayed starvation in Gaza. I lost him there.
You downplay the evil of Hamas.
Have you been there? He has multiple times in the past few months
@@monkeybusinessasusuall5467Israel uses the evil of Hamas to allow them to do almost anything.
Starvation in Gaza, because all the humanitarian aid goes to the terrorists while their population is starving. But of course that's the Jews' fault too
He's downplayed nothing, if Gazans were starving as much as their propaganda said they were there would be literally no one left alive. 4 months of apparently no food, no water, no gas, no aid, and yet Palestinian journalists and influencers looks exactly the same making daily videos on their iPhones.
You cannot be serious !!!!
This is outrageous and a complete denial of what has been happening over 75 years to Palestinians
History of opening wars against the Jews the losing them?
Nothing has been done to them. They've taken in billions of dollars, been given land to rule their own people then they created a terrorism base so evil that Egypt built a wall to keep them out. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, etc want none of them.
Jews have been persecuted and murdered for hundreds of years. Long live the resistance and freedom 🇮🇱❤
It's been fascinating watching Bill Maher dive deeper and deeper into his pro-Zionist propaganda echo chamber. Funny how all the comedians who scream about censorship and cancel culture are the best at stifling real political dissent on their own platforms. Would love to see what kind of knowledge Mehdi Hasan, Ilan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Naomi Klein, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky or any number of other critics of Israel would bring to this show.
Start by implementing international Law. Israel can start by implementing international law, withdraw from 67 borders and return of Palestinean refugees. After that, they can get the same support as Ukraine or even more.
No!!...they were attacked and won!!
God Bless Israel
🇵🇸
Free Palestine from hamas
Hamas has been in power since 2005 (and only in Gaza, not the West Bank). Israel has terrorized Palestinians without provocation since 1948. What excuse for Israeli war crimes are you going to use after Hamas is gone?
this is not about Hamas, this is about the Muslims in 7 oct every Muslim was happy for what's happened, i live in a Muslim country i see even my own family enjoy the terror that happened at that day, i really want for people to understand this.
Palestine was free from Hamas before 1987. The conflict is way older.
@@iangrimley6515 where were you when millions of Chinese Muslims were massacred? The hate for Israel from the Islamic community is appalling. They need no excuse to respond to coward terrorists.
Free Palestine from Zionism
Finally, a sensible guest.
ah yes, the eminently sensible, posturing as a field journalist, coldblooded racist Douglas Murray. Hoorah!
@@shakypam ssssh now, your lack of intelligence is showing.xx
A Lone voice of common sense amidst all these antisemitic epidemic in the west..
@@hanskellynogua7110 I'm Jewish and I think Israel's crimes are the problem.
@@shakypam You are nothing compared to Murray. Stop trusting your puny little 🤏 brain so much.
I am for Israel 🇮🇱❤️🇮🇱 God bless Israel and the Jewish people ❤️🇮🇱❤️
Sinwar is finally dead!!
I'm sure he has been there. With a crew, security, food. I don't have to have been there to know that among 30k thus far dead, 15k were children
No, 15000 were H soldiers. Dont believe the H talking point. So by your logic no a single adult pal has been unalived in this entire conflict.
That’s according to Hamas. Some MSM remember to prefix the ‘figures’ with that caveat; most don’t. So, no you don’t ‘know’ anything.
Except now that the UN stopped believing Hamas made up numbers, it updated its numbers to 7500, not 15000. It’s still awfully a lot, but in a population of 50+% of children, 7500 it of 35000 dead shows that the bombings don’t try to target children at all. And all that without even considering that many youth in Gaza fight with Hamas but are still registered as children
I'd call you all psychos, but it feels like even the people on the panel don't really believe what they're saying. That's the vibe I'm picking up at least.
Saying iam a chosen one , means iam racism , cuz ur not chosen , I'AM !!!!
These two are worse than nazis
No Israel is an occupier
HOW? it pulled out of gaza DECADES ago. LOOK IT UP
When will Netanyahu be arrested for his despicable crimes against humanity?
Ignorance!
Murray is right. He's just confusing the sides.
We are helping Ukraine because they are fighting against occupation...
While I am against Putin’s attack on Ukraine it is in fact a eastern Europeans country with historical ethnic & cultural ties to Russia & was formerly a part of Soviet Union
@@charlottegranger1449 They should be friends, like Denmark and Norway are friends despite Denmark having "owned" Norway for 400+ years. But that is only possible if the independence is respected...
WHAT A PAIR OF PARESITICAL DROP KICKS.
" jokes of human beings speaking " this should be the title of this video
Because great men like Sinwar and Nastallah you love right? lol
@@5Dimingwe have humanity for the people of palestine who have been oppressed for decades and the fact that they are being ethnically cleansed.
You are the joke here.
"Never allowed to win"..= a global issue
P.s. I used to be a fan. But I'm DIGUSTED ON HOW 'ONE WAY' YOU ARE ON THIS TOPIC.
There's no investigating the root of the issue.
You can't put out 80% of a fire? But you light a fire in every victim who loses a loved one. So you can't put out 80% of a fire really means you are advocating for wiping out everyone. Unless of course you can explain why a surviving orphan doesn't grow up to become the thing you are trying to destroy. Murray is smart enough to know the implication which is extremely sinister.
In your comment you saying in other words that Israel have killed 80% of the population and left to destroy the other 20% is that what you saying ?
Maybe they will not grow to do the same if there will be no indoctrination to hate jews from the government ( hama*s) and from unrwa schools
80% of hamas military capabilities is destroyed and the 20% is still on the way
Douglas Murray conveniently forgets what was happening to Gaza on Oct 6th, 5th, 4th,...
But why does everyone on the pro Palestine side never want to acknowledge what happened to the civilians on 10/7? I really don’t have a side I support but it is wild to me that everyone complains about how Israel is hurting civilians when Hamas did the same thing. They still are holding some of those people hostage. Why is that ignored?
@emma2370 Killing of any unarmed civilians is wrong including Israeli ones and most if not all Pro Palestinians acknowledge that. Perhaps you aren't listening to prominent pro Palestinian voices but to compare Hamas with Israel is intellectually inept, sorry to say.
Furthermore, a year past Oct 7th, have you investigated the claims set forth in western media about Oct 7th? For example, how the operation started hitting military posts and then attempting to capture as many civilians in order to exchange for Palestinians held without any charge in Israeli prisons. Or how many Israeli civilians were killed by the the IDF according to the Hanibal directive which is an Israeli directive to kill their own civilians/citizens to prevent them from being taken captive, or civilians being killed in cross fire. How about the now debunked claims of mass rape and beheaded babies? If you haven't hears any if these facts, I'd suggest listening to independent journalists such as Max Blumenthal or Jon Elmer. I'm not suggesting Hamas did not commit wrong doings on Oct 7th but the whole Israeli narrative and western media frames it in such a way as if Israel is a victim and not the aggressor. Bottom line is if you occupy a group of people, resistance will always follow including violent ones.
Watch as less and less reasonable people want to appear on Real Time
Reporting this video for promoting terrorism. Ignorance is not an excuse.
I like how he is saying it's wrong to boo Israel in the Eurovision yet Russia isn't allowed to participate. If anything, it's Israel that has it easy
Doug is such a smart man, he's exposing the lunacy well
The two are completely different case, but the common thing between the two is isreal is surrounded by hostile neighbours that seek its destruction, Ukraine has Russian neighbour that seek its destruction
@@Simon-talks Why do you Westerns always want to pick on China 🇨🇳?
why do you easterners always pick on America?
That’s because they are the one to worry about
Well one cannot win if they’re on the wrong side of history, just saying!
You're obsessed with this concept as if the "right side of history" isn't just the side of whoever won.
Well Israel got The Netherlands disqualified by stalking the artist while there was a no filming agreement. Plus Israel is not Europe. If Russia that is Europe, isn't allowed why would Israel be
O come on …it was the Dutch guy own doing. He tried to assault a swedish production worker!
@@Marta-oc8ngLOL. If he really assaulted someone they would never have let him join the official after party. They knew that he didn't wanted to get filmed after the semis and they kept trying. He pushed the camera away. No one got assaulted. you people are crazy
No peace for the wicked
Why is Simon Cowell saying the same thing Hitler said
Israel cant lose!
It's definitely anti semitism, the way people treat Israel. But I stand with Israel. I'm not Jewish. Oct 7 changed me.
This comes from guy that dont believe in Christianity but practice its culture. The world we live in
Come on, post the whole thing!
Bring on Glenn Greenwald.
Another loser.
Douglas Murray is a fire thrower and Maher continues to fail miserably on the understanding of the conflict with each passing day.
Murray is a paid Zionist agent
Maher was always a Zionist Jew
No surprise
Yeah. They both seem like they have no idea what they’re talking about. but you do
@@joeybaruch941 Yes, I do. Peace Corps volunteer in Yemen. Masters in Middle East Studies. And Bill Maher?
this Douglas Murray character is a narcissist psychopath.
Ah I've lost respect for Douglas Murray. Pure folly
I'd like to know if this guy has actually been to Gaza or has only seen what the Israelis wanted him to see.
He's been visiting Gaza many times also prior to this current conflict.
If you're talking about Douglas Murray, he seems to have spent just about all his time in Gaza and Israel these past 6 months, for what it's worth.
@@dr.g3860Yes, the only foreign journalist that Israel remarkably allowed in? Hmmmm…..
Long live Israel 🇮🇱
What happened to Douglas Murray, he was so based, now he is bending his knees to "the Tribe".
He got a huge cheque from Israel 🇮🇱
He was never based
People are blinded by Israel. Think about it, Many Americans are willing to take food from their own childrens mouths and send it to Israel. It's like hypnosis
@charlesmartel6108 It's your comment which is off-base.
Except the leaders are not in Rafah and the resurgence of Hamas in the North are an indication that the military strategy is not working.
The North is Hezbollah, not Hamas.
Wrong, shahid.
Islam - 1400 years of tradition unhampered by progress.
Without lies Islam dies.
Am Yisrael Chai
But most people were for Israel after the attack. They didn't not instantly turn against Israel. But as most life of Palestinian are lost not humas people gradually turn against them. It changed from war with hamas to war with innocent people of Palestine. As much as America killed a lot of people while searching for Isis but it felt like American were investing on intelligent to pin them down. While Isreal practicing it more in a genocide manner to Palestinians.
DSA fools were in the streets on Oct 8 praising Hamas and saying "resistance is justified".
Says who? Hamas? The narrative of "palistinian cause" funded by the same ilk who brought you "Iranian Revolution"? Which Ideology thinks blowing themselves and children up is morally justified and will give you some special blessing? Which Ideology tries to get sympathy for those actions since decades by claiming they are "supressed" and "invaded" and "occupied" by the Westerners when their own authorities are doing such things day in and out?
Ukraine was invaded. Israel is now an occupying force. There’s a huge difference.
Ukraine wasn’t invaded, they were taken over by the CIA in 2014 with a coup and then taken over by the US
The Palestinians are supporting the Nazis in Ukraine. Supporting Russia and Israel is the only sane position.
Hamas started with their horrible attack on civilians the current situation.
Of course Israel doesn't tolerate this savage attack on it's people. No other country would tolerate it either. Israel is not the one who got this started. But strangely enough everyone is out to make Israel the villain. Disgusting!
No, I'm not Jewish!
Maher hires seals for his audience
Not to mention how Israel treats the Palestinians every day in the occupied territories
ISRAEL DOESNT OCCUPY GAZA LOOK IT UP BUD
@@holemogaming8677
Go play mom and dad with Netanyahus son. Tickle him well
By giving Arabs/Palestinians jobs in Israel?
you can't condemn people to subjugation. chiefly because none of them will tolerate it forever. does the brit whose empire was forced back to its native shores not remember that inconvenient nugget of history?
It wasn't forced back to its native shores. It began scaling itself down after WW2 because it was not economically beneficial or sustainable and a massive movement promoting independence and self determination for the colonies, had started both in the UK and its overseas territories. The next step was to take the logical and best move, which was to then grant full independence to those peoples that wanted it and those that wanted to keep close ties with the UK regarding trade and political relations, were made to be members of the commonwealth.
@@baldrickization ok civil unrest had nothing to do with it. No bloodshed or acrimony, just a friendly tip of the hat and a cheerio for good luck.
@@davidtran9444 well civil unrest was certainly a factor in certain dominions, but the only colony that expelled the British purely by force was the United States and perhaps Ireland but then you get into the debate as to whether Ireland was a colony or not, personally id say on paper it wasn't but to the people living there it was. There were certainly uprisings and wars, and they did play a part, but ultimately it was because of what i mentioned above that was the cause of the dismantling of the British empire, if it wasn't there would be no commonwealth, it would not and could not exist.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations
If any conflicts were the cause of the end of the British empire, it would be WW1 and WW2 and this was because fighting these wars bankrupted the UK. Funnily enough the biggest volunteer army in history was from the former British colony which is India in WW2.
Nobody tipped their cap and said cheerio, and the only people to ever "force the British back to their native shores" were the Nazis in 1940 and that was anything to do with colonialism or empire. You could argue the French did following the 100 years war, but that was really just the English who were ruled by a King who was descended from French. Complicated old business is history.
@@davidtran9444 well civil unrest was a factor, but the only colony to rid itself of the British purely by force was the United States, it could be said that the Irish did also but that opens up a whole new debate as to whether Ireland was a colony or not, I'm of the opinion that it wasn't on paper but it was to people who lived there, but thats a whole different conversation. If any war or conflicts were the most instrumental in dismantling the British empire, it was WW2, but that was because it bankrupted the empire. That was also the only conflict in which the British got forced back to their native shores, and that wasn't by any indigenous peoples of a colony, but the Nazis. You could argue the French did following the 100 years war, however that was more just the English , who were ruled by a king of French descent funnily enough. But as empires go, the British empire scaled itself back in quite a methodical manner which was in the way that i described above. If that were not true, there could not and would not have been a commonwealth which still exists to this day and has 56 countries as members.
@baldrickization Im certain the American Revolution chased the Bongs out. So did the Irish, and the Arabs and Jews of Palestine
Palestine people are beautiful and chosen as well...
The Palestinian means Jew so I guess you're right.
@@karenclark266 You should ask England. They're responsible for the apartheid.
@@karenclark266 Jews are not chosen. They are lame as everyone one else.
😂
@@Zinkronicedemo Yea lol. The country which contributed so much. But you won't speak of the muslim world, would you? Typical deluded leftie.
Taking the side of the oppressor... that's all this is...
He isn’t taking the side of Hamas
"oppressor" and "oppressed"
Tell us again how you gender studies class went.
@@MustardSkaven : Yeah, learn some fucking history, goofball...you also sound like you need a kick in the groin.
To paraphrase Julian Assange, the goal is not for the war to be won. The goal is for the war to be ongoing.
I am Muslim and I stand with Israel
Thank you!
That is so appreciated!!!
Thank you! That is so appreciated!
Well, if we're talking about fairness, then let's shine a light on the situation. Israel never gets a fair break? Really? I suppose decades of land appropriation, forced displacement, and military occupation don't count as a leg up, huh? Or maybe the unsettling truth that they can take lives while never facing accountability for their actions. Last time I checked, the scale was tipping quite generously in Israel's favor, with a whole state carved out through tactics that would make Machiavelli blush. And let's not forget the not-so-subtle backing from a certain superpower, which conveniently provides enough firepower to give Goliath a run for his money. So, forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears for poor old Israel and its supposed lack of fairness. It's like watching a heavyweight boxer complain about never winning a fight while standing on the neck of their opponent. So cut the dramatics! 🎻 We have been awakened to the realities that have unfolded for decades in PALESTINE, and what Bill Maher and his Zionist sympathizing guest spew, is nothing but Propaganda
funny how your referencing the torah while attacking it's creators. not impressed buddy.
@@holemogaming8677 Oh, how utterly narcissistic to assume I was trying to impress you! My apologies for shattering your illusions, but your feelings? They're just not on my radar 😂😂
@@Junito24 bro thinks he's shakespeare
@@holemogaming8677 Why thank you, though I wish I could share the sentiment.
@@Junito24 get of your high horse. israelis were displaced from gaza, not the other way round. we have tried to compromise over and over again. and hamas has rejected every time
"When it comes to Ukraine, everyone was egging them on.......But when it comes to the Israelis, never allowed to win." This is an example of false equivalency and isn't even true to begin with. Extremely frustrating and disingenuous.
Israel. The eternal victim.
Douglas Murray cosplaying as a war journalist in Israel was one of the most grotesque media spectacles I’ve seen
This dude gets it 👍
Well stated sir! 🇬🇧
Get what?
Notice how they never described what winning actually is and what happens thereafter. The implications of “winning” was quite nebulous by design by these 2 propagandists.
@@velocirshtr3756
The winner is the side that makes the other side stop fighting for their goals and enforces their own goals. The loser is the side that stops fighting and accepts the winners conditions. (Think Imperial Japans surrender to America on the mighty Mo).
@@billyrock8305 that’s not explicit enough. That’s the discussion they need to have instead of crying about “they won’t let us win 😭”
Is Israel in any imminent danger from Hamas? Let’s be real. October 7th should never had happen unless it was allowed to.
Hamas still is holding hostages so yes I would argue they are in imminent danger from Hamas. What nation of the planet would not respond in some way to its citizens being murdered and held hostage?
What a bunch of bad faith conjecture. Bill and his guests arguments make zero logical sense if you break them down.
Mr Murray is brilliant....and right
Well... In Ukraine.. Winning means getting your internationally recognized property back. For Israel, winning seems to mean either killing an idea or vengeance. How else do we accept a casualty count of 10-1 in their favour. One thing if your smashing tanks at a rate of 10 of theirs to one of yours. Quite another when you're smashing people at that rate and most of them are non-combatant. It's just not as simple as Israel's apologists make it out to be. He IS right about who started this particular war.
I mean if 35,000 Russian civilians were dying during Ukraines counteroffensive, I think we would be questioning that war too. But right now its only armed combatants that are being killed, plus or minus come civilian casualties who are caught in the crossfire.
Why doesn't anyone on this panel care about facts?
Zionist Bill
“Okaaay”😂
Bill, you are losing your audience with this crap.
Why don't we just give Alabama to the Palestinians. It's about 10 times bigger than the State of Palestine with about the same population.
Give florida to the Israeli's if the US is so keen on defending them.
Israel can have Florida and Palestinians can have Michigan.
Why don’t we give California or New York to the Palestinians?
Let’s just say you’d be best to keep Muslims and Jews away from the Americas as best we can- for our own safety
@@SpecialAgentSamCooperthe Palestinians have not invented anything beyond weapons. (You can google that). Meanwhile Israel has invented so so much. Cherry tomatoes, the camera pill they use in surgeries, drip irrigation, the list goes on and on.
And they still would want the jews to die for the evilness of having a state in what belongs to "Allah" and should be under Allahs rules (the whole globe apperantly by the way....)
I've been thinking the same thing about the hypocritical attitudes towards Ukraine and Israel, it's the same people who wore Ukraine flags and BLM t-shirts years ago that are now condemning Israel, flavour of the month protests.
Douglas Murray’s whataboutism is painful to listen to 😂 You can’t compare apples to oranges.
"Bill maher = joy behar"
Norman Finkelstein
what would you label innocent palestinians as in this hamas - fire analogy? Yes you have to put out 100% of a fire to put it completely out but I don't think reality is as simple as that. Also, has Ukraine treated Russia similarly to Israels treatment of Palestine in the past? Truly asking here, please tell me. I don't see comparing and contrasting both conflicts in this way beneficial at all
exactly
Spot on
What is wrong with you? He didn't call all 'Palestinians' a fire to be put out. He quite clearly was talking about Hamas, the ones causing the conflict.
@@Oxley016 Yes, but he said this in support of Israel's intentional targeting of civilian targets, use of aerial bombardment, and blocking of supplies into Gaza. So you are correct that he was talking about Hamas but the response is not limited to the leadership, despite his claims.
@@davidbutler116 because Hamas uses their people as human shields!
This show has gotten worse never watching again
Disgusting. I lost all the respect I've ever had for these two.
This aged well lol
Strange that in the statement he made he correctly identified that people were celebrating when Ukraine was taking BACK IS TERRITORY, but not celebrating when Israel was TAKING PALESTINIAN TERRITORY.
Yes, Douglas, quite strange the discrepancy 🧐
Douglas sole claim to be smart is that he has an English accent.
Jordan took the territory not Israel . Israel would only later get it in a counter attack against Jordan
Wait, what do you consider Palestinian territory? The west bank, which was controlled by Jordan before 1967? The Gaza strip which was controlled by Egypt? Methinks you're a bit shaky on the history here...
THAT, was spot on.
😂😂
Spot on Douglas!