@@nataliazakula3400 lol Well...he got the name decades ago, when he was still in the good graces of his father, but I think it still suits him! He's a very stubborn Taurus, He makes no compromises, and is very set in his opinions, but you can't argue with right! 💚
I disagree. According to recent polls, 70% of the US citizens support Israel 100%. That means only 30% are affected by the propaganda. This is consistent with the history I've read. The German National Socialists before WW2 (I won't say their real name since youtube will hate me for it) only captured 30% of the German vote. If you read the history of WW2 you'll get a good idea why this allowed the socialists to come to power.. but the original point stands.. only a third of any population normally responds to propaganda in a way that is consistent with what the propagandists want. Most people can see through it. And Americans, God bless them, exemplify this point at this moment in history.
@@Aleksus I think you will find that the IDF are more interested in Propaganda rather than truth. They have continiuosly liead in the other wars they had about some slaughters the y have done, so why would you believe them now. All the Hamas figures for the dead civilians were always veryfied as being as a ccurate as they could be and all this in hind sight again and again and again over decades. Soask yourelf a serious question and try and use critical thinking. who is telling the truth?
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Ukraine was very much told from the beginning "Don't win too much". Weapons given to them had their ranges shortened. Thank you UK for crossing the line with Challenger tanks and Storm Shadow. They've been prevented from attacking into Russia with US supplied weapons. How can you not attack troops massing on your border when you are already at war? They've been told to not hit Russian oil infrastructure after sanctions were ineffective and largely bypassed. They've been supplied just enough to prolong the war without letting them succeed in evicting Russian invaders. Would the summer offensive have been successful if Ukraine had ATACMs? We'll never know, but they've been hitting Russian airfields, boats, and training and supply depots hard since they got the few they were supplied.
West didn't say they could not reconquest their 2014 borders, they just say don't attack Russia proper. However, Israel is not even allowed to target missile sites that are being fired at Israel.
Well actually that’s exactly what Ukraine was told. Don’t strike here. Don’t do that. Don’t do this. Can’t use these weapons for this or that. Ukraine is not allowed to win.
don't do this? don't do that? What the fuck are you trying to say? Why does everyone talk like PBD now? He's speaks like a functionally illiterate person.
Uh what....? What have they been told not to do? Seems like since day 1 everything has been on the table...and considering they've been given over 150 billion from the US alone, and equipment/munitions from the whole world...
Hamas got elected into power by the Palestinian people in 2007, and removed all elections form palestine to insure they stay in power. They have held their country as hostages ever since Hamas needs to be removed. But Israeli government funded them to promote Netanyahus agenda of centre right wing fear mongering, so Israel created this issue in a around about way to continue conflict😅 This is just chaos. No winners all losers
@@otchigal6527, and you lack understanding of the history of why Hamas is still there. And it wouldn't even matter if Hamas was removed from this metric, because another civilian militia would have to take their place, UNLESS Israel started doing the right thing, which they obviously won't, just so long as Netanyahu and his Likud Party of neocon thugs are in charge. Have a nice day. 😁
the ones winning are Arms Contractors. $100 Billion in additional spending to the already $850 Billion annual spending. Where are the people worried about the national Debt? Eisenhower explained the Military Industrial Complex in his 1961 speech. Orwell explained it in 1984 - the war is not meant to be won, its meant to be endless. It's profitable, that's what matters.
You're point? This aspect of human nature will never change. Countries have nucs. Unless you want to live under a dictator in a foreign land, or be incenerated, learn to live with some uncomfortable truths.
@@sarge5000 War is profitable, therefore war is a good result. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The US just spent Trillions fighting in Afghanistan. We lost. But profits were high. They asked Joe Biden about US Citizens getting health care his answer is 'How you gonna pay for it'. But it's a great idea to add $100 Billion in debt to help other countries spend for their wars? Nobody even pauses to think about adding $100 Billion to the debt - see Eisenhower's 1961 speech. Israel has universal healthcare, how about they take away their citizens healthcare to pay for some weapons? We are sending billions to Ukraine to keep their pension and health care payments (its not just weapons). Adding to the debt is great for a country we have no treaty obligation to and yet we call American citizens who paid for the social security system 'entitled leeches' Its beyond insane.
"Uncomfortable truths" lol it's literally as corrupt an idea as possible. Let's profit billions while other people die. This idea that we shouldn't ever even attempt to do better because, this is the way it's done is insane.
It’s true and always has been. However with the 15 mil ter ole joe has let in here you’ll be saying money well spent on n our military when the next 9/11 is here which should be any day now since every fto knows how weak obiden is and sees how he’s pandering to the H supporters for votes by not sending Israel the aid that was agreed upon. They all now know to take hostages as well.
The uncomfortable truth is that 50+ countries are being out produced by one that is spending less than 1/5th of what we spend on ours. A country that has a better economic forecast than most EU nations ,winning both on the economic and military fronts despite it being one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on earth. I guess the point being that you can't just throw money at the problem, you need to spend it wisely. Every war nato is backing could've easily been solved over the phone using basic diplomacy.
I think what it means is like when your spouse is going to be mad if you do thing A but also if you do thing B and you throw up your hands and you say, "I can't win". It's a figure of speech. Not sure they meant to imply that Israel is incapable of military victory.
I’m sorry but you may have autism is you find the title misleading. Read Between The Lines He also said the exact words “they’re not allowed to win”. What more do you need? 😂
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It's been fascinating watching Bill Maher dive deeper and deeper into his pro-Zionist propaganda echo chamber. Funny how all the comedians who scream about censorship and cancel culture are the best at stifling real political dissent on their own platforms. Would love to see what kind of knowledge Mehdi Hasan, Ilan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Naomi Klein, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky or any number of other critics of Israel would bring to this show.
Let’s pretend that maimed kids who’ve lost family don’t become terrorists. Let’s pretend Bibi can kill as many Hamas as he’s creating. Bibi loved and supported Hamas. He WANTS extremist enemies, not peaceful opponents, to use as more excuse to take more Palestinian land and abuse more of them. Because Zionism tells him God is only on his side. Ridiculous.
@@devgupta8815yes, they’ve allowed the Irish to exist this whole time. Who knows how many IRA have been allowed to flourish or how many have been born since.
Wars for thousands of years were fought in moderation between armies. It is only modern warfare that took off the guardrails. Now total war means total destruction.
On the other hand I cannot see how the war in Gaza leads to a better situation for Israel. If they occupy Gaza, they will have a mess on their hand. Together with the harm done to the civilian population, they are breeding the next generation of Hamas (or whatever next terrorist organization). They have and are continuing to loose he support of the West - and Netanjahu buries his criminal affairs and the incompetence, which allowed the attack in the first place, under it.
There won't be next hamas Generation. Hamas is Iran's proxies who threaten all the muslim countries, not just Israel. There is a reason that none of the muslim countries aside from Turkey and Qatar support Hamas. And These two countries don't accept refugees from Palestine either.
Their problem is their religions beliefs, unwilling to compromise, forgive, evolve. etc. This region has been fighting forever. If it weren't for the oil in the region the US would not care one bit!
But it is far from the oil, they want to rebuild King Saloman's Temple. It is all about their religious beliefs. Your already on RUclips. Look for documentaries about it on here. But not the religious ones. The ones that tell you the truth like historians. This is about bringing about the apocalypse. The 3rd time the temple falls, I think the Muslims may be having an issue with that to. But yeah, there is a lot more that they don't go into as to why the keep rebuilding that temple. Personally, I think everyone should know what they are NOT saying about it all!! Have a good one!😊
Israel has the second least oil of any country in the middle east and it's not like being allied with Israel helps america with the countries that do have oil, so no, this has nothing to do with oil
Except now that the UN stopped believing Hamas made up numbers, it updated its numbers to 7500, not 15000. It’s still awfully a lot, but in a population of 50+% of children, 7500 it of 35000 dead shows that the bombings don’t try to target children at all. And all that without even considering that many youth in Gaza fight with Hamas but are still registered as children
@@Arcananine77At least they did not shoot children in the knee caps for target practice and steal their homes. Maybe you should stop running your mouth off and watch the real news. Maybe you tik tok or Al Jazeera? Oh no. They have banned them too fpr speaking and showing true facts. EDUCATE YOURSELF
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and most Palestinians celebrated the 7th October attack, if that's not a war between two states i don't know what war is... Mmuslim as far as Pakistan and Bangladesh openly celebrated 7th October on streets, drunk on their power over killing Jews just like they have killed every other non-muslim in their country and yet they pretend to be victims of Islamophobia when they gave retaliation...
My opinions have grown to change on this subject. I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself and there is propaganda coming from both sides. Let’s be real about something though. Unlike Ukraine, people living in Gaza can’t leave Gaza, no surrounding countries will help any of them, the civilians can’t do anything but be used by Hamas as human shields or Israel as target practice. It’s a now win situation where neither side is right about what they are doing, to take a side and say the other is vehemently wrong is to deny any logic and to the situation. Pray for civilians!
Why can't the Gazaens go to Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia. In the city of Mina are air conditioned tents for 3 Million people. Bahrain, Quatar and UAV are pretty rich. They need people for their economies. And if I not mistaken they all speak Arabian. Also many worked in Israel. Maybe a false victim mentality fueling their nationalism and revisionism won't help the Palestinians.
I appreciate your attempt to try and be fair. good faith is always appreciated. I will just note that there is a very good reason why Egypt isnt taking in Gazans. they are no Ukranians, Ill tell you that. I will also note that Israel isnt using civillians as "Target practice". thats actually a terrible smear. Israel is killing less civillians in comparison to terrorists than any other modern army in history, when fighting an Urban war. just facts.
@captainchaoscow it's a good question and I'm amazed that Egypt and yhe other Arab nations have not been criticized. But fact is Egypt will not let them in
Such a disengenous point. If Ukraine were bombing and killing thousands of civilians and the war was being driven on by a leader that was motivated to avoid facing the music on his election and trial would we really be egging them on?
In the early 1940’s when they started negotiating with the British about who would get the British land that the British acquired from the Ottomans, the two groups at the bargaining table were the Arabs and the Jews. The “Palestinians “ didn’t exist yet. They didn’t exist until 1960’s… and yet we MUST believe that they are the only indigenous people, and that ALL the land is theirs, that the Jews…the only ones who have ever negotiated for peaceful division, are the invaders stealing land and are the aggressors. How stupid the world has become.
So because alot of arab families who lived and worked on the land but may not have had deeds for centuries they had no rights?none at all?u do realise the zionist leaders admitted to create a jewish state transfer of the local arab population would have to happen?but your ok with that?u see nothing wrong with that?.
Help me understand ... I thought Palestine was created in 1920 by the victorious allies after WW1 in the Treaty of Sèvres, along with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Why would we not consider the people of that new state Palestinians from 1920 onwards? And how are the Israelies the only ones who ever negotiated for a two-state solution? What about Camp David and Oslo? The last Israeli leader who was serious about that was Yitzhak Rabin, murdered by Zionist extremists in 1995. Since then Israel has been ruled by leaders with zero interest in a lasting peace and who benefit politically from a never-ending conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah.
@@davidbutler116 Ok, I’ll help you understand. Palestine was named by the Romans (Hadrian) after they conquered Judea and dispersed the Jews. (Look up Jewish Diaspora) He changed the name to cut the Jews from land. There was never a nation called “Palestine “ and there were no people who called themselves Palestinian until the 1960’s for political expediency. Palestine was the name of a territory on a map. There is no Palestinian language, no ancient Palestinian coins and so on. What you’re referring to in 1920 is the British winning the land from the Ottoman Turks who sided with the Axis in WWI, and who had controlled the territory for the previous 400 years. At no point has there ever existed a Nation, State or Country of Palestine. The now British territory was called “The British mandate for Palestine”. It was inhabited by Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druiz etc… None of those groups had ever had a nation called Palestine. In fact, when the Arabs were rebelling against the British in the mid 1930’s, they called it the Arab revolt. It never occurred to them to call themselves Palestinian. There is no separate group of Arabs who can remotely be considered to be the only indigenous people of the territory of Palestine. That is a lie, plain and simple. So the British had promised to turn the mandate over to the Arabs AND to the Jews. From the very start they were going to have to negotiate and share. The Jews wanted to negotiate, the Arabs never have. That is the source of the conflict. The British turned over the area now known as Jordan to the Arabs. They tried to do the same in Israel with the Jews but the Arabs would have none of it. They demanded it all and have not wavered from that demand with a continuing promise to destroy the Jews as seen by the election of Hamas and their promise to wipe out Israel and they’re chants of “from the river to the sea” Camp David: it was an agreement between Egypt and Israel. It has nothing to do with the “Palestinians “. You have to remember that the nations surrounding Israel all hated Israel and attacked Israel without provocation unless you count wanting to exist as a provocation. The Failure of the Oslo accords : jewishunpacked.com/the-oslo-accords-peace-between-israelis-and-palestinians/ Doomed from the start and undermined by continuing Arab violence and distrust on every side. As to your last comment about Israel not wanting peace 🤦♂️ What’s wrong with you? Why would Jews want thousands of rocket attacks over decades, having their Olympic athletes murdered, having extremists sneak across the border to kidnap, rape and murder them? The assertion makes no sense. The Jews want peace and to be left alone. They control Gaza because Gaza is used as a staging area by the Arabs from which to launch attacks and plot war. What’s important here is that you can’t understand the present if you don’t have any awareness of the past.
What do u mean palestinian doesnt exist untill 1960? They suddenly poof into existance? I advise not to complicate things with "labels". There are human being living "there" & most of them arabs muslim/christians. After that came more new comers & they are jews from other "places" (not to complicate) & now their having war with each other. For now, going further backward & labelling them wont help. People can read. moving fwd everyone must spread the need to stop the war & next & next
Like 9/11, Netanyahu knew they were coming. Why the media won't show the protest against Netanyahu? Many Israelis disapprove of the conservative government of who has been very anti-Arab and anti-black towards minorities in Israel and many Israelis disapprove of continued Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the over Apartheid style system in how Palestinians are treated which angers people and make them vulnerable to extremist recruitment.
But it's true. No one has demanded that Iran stop backing terrorists or called on Hamas to give up every hostage. Why is Israel always the first country to blame?
@@jlev1028 We obviously apply different standards and pressures for countries we align with. If our allies ghosted us like our enemies then that's a problem. Whataboutism is what the show and you are spouting, and its an unbalanced idea. Like if you blame people who march for cancer, why don't they ever speak up about birth defects of children. It's a deflection at best.
@@jlev1028 Do we give Iran endless weapons? Do we call Iran our ally? No, we sanction them ruthlessly, including life saving medicine (in violation of international law) take out their top general (Solomoni), and fight nearly all their proxies on the battlefield. And the west doesn't make a peep because they agree with this We make a peep about Israel because we support them no matter what they do, no matter how egregious their crimes. We as citizens directly aid Israel with our labor. Humus has agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and Israel said no! Stop giving me that BS. You are as bad faith as the ppl I was referring to in my OP.
@@atlehman69 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire but said that it would keep attacking Israel untill there is no more Israel. this is not a real ceasefire but an attempt to regroup so they can launch more attacks like the have done. there is realy no point of having a ceasefire when one side clearly says that it will keep on attacking the other side.
The reason the Israelis aren't allowed to win is because of the way the region was annexed. There was no "war", the superpowers of the day just annexed the region while mostly ignoring the local population that was there. I'm not saying there's an easy answer to the problem but it helps to actually look at what created the problem in the first place.
He forgot - oh wait they might increase the price of oil….. to his list of Middle East considerations. He inherently would likely change his sarcastic tone, experience less audience laughter, and forcibly have to look inward.
Why can’t I want the return of the hostages, AND not want 10s of thousands of innocent humans to die trying to free the hostages? How can they not be more tactical? And how is this view antisemitism? I would feel this way regardless of the people involved. No one deserves to be held hostage. No innocent people deserve to die, suffer, or starve.
A few things here, Hamas has a history of using citizens as meat shields so there's that point. Secondly more tactical, what exactly are you expecting on that front? A few things to note, whether you agree with the statement or not, Israel views oct 7 as their 9/11. Which as we can see from america's reaction to 9/11 is a huge major emotionally motivating factor. Secondly Hamas started this war and it is essentially seen by Israel as ''if we don't get rid of hamas now they will do it again'' Lastly Over the years, many countries who initially criticized the actions of Israel , later agreed with them. Notably, operation opera in destroying Hussein's nuclear plant that was going to be used to destroy Israel.
If you read up on urban warfare you will understand more. Just sitting and saying that Israel should be more tactical when they are conducting the most tactical war in human history is silly.
Murray is such a biased and out of touch journalist. A self important know-it-all who plays the victim and arbiter of whatever subject he speaks on... Nothing upstanding about that kind of "journalism"... and the irony in the show also being about victimization LOL
My opinion has completely changed on Israel after all this. October 7 was horrific . The blind nationalistic fever that has gripped the media, politicians willingness for the public to overlook the killings in the west bank and apathy to ethnic cleaning and dying of People in Gaza is really shocking to me. They have a right to live in peace and dignity just like Israelis. Even the comments here about them is reflective of that. The right wing government of Israel cares nothing for the people of Gaza or the hostages just some dream of ethnic cleansing. We need to walk away from supporting Israel with weapons and military until they get rid of this current government and come to their senses about the consequences of all this and pull settlers out the west bank. The scenes on the evening news are horrific.
@@Arcananine77 see, that’s exactly what your doing. Deflecting doesn’t change this inhumane war. We as Americans are funding this war directly and it needs to stop. Its. Barbarism.
My opinion completely changed after Oct 7, when I realized the pro-Palestine movement was a sham. You have no interest in democracy or civil rights, and certainly no interest in the lives of Israeli Jews who would be exterminated if Hamas won the war. You want yet another Arab-Muslim dictatorship in the Middle East, with no rights for women, LGBTQ people, or religious minorities. Shame on you.
Start by implementing international Law. Israel can start by implementing international law, withdraw from 67 borders and return of Palestinean refugees. After that, they can get the same support as Ukraine or even more.
@@einundsiebenziger5488That term is often misunderstood. The word "semitism" is (or was until recently) an exclusively linguistic term for a family of languages that includes both Arabic and Hebrew. The fact is that "anti-semitism" is an unfortunate and ill-conceived euphemism for the original term _Judenhass_ (Jew hatred) popularized by Wilhelm Marr in the 1870s for the name of his organization, "Antisemiten-Liga" (league of antisemites). It means opposition to Jews as a people and had a racial connotation that was appealing to Germans after Darwin's Origin of Species became popularized and vulgarized. Now there's a new euphemism, but the referent always remains the same.
Which truth is that? The truth that you can’t stop a war until the enemy is 100% defeated or if your enemy attacks first you get to commit genocide against their people?
It's interesting how Murray is so vigilant calling out anti-Semitism with regards to the Middle East and this war. Yet I'm pretty sure he'll be obtuse about anti-Semitism when anti-Semitism on the Right fringes of Trump's base is brought to his attention. He'll then more than likely try to call out 'the other side' and somehow make some lame attempt at false equivalency. He kind of did something like this generally when Trump was being discussed towards the end of the panel discussion. He somehow thinks that there is always symmetry or that is has to exist rather than looking at what is going on and accepting obvious asymmetry.
That's the issue, doss rules apply to hamas? It is like the gun debate you can take away the guns from citizens but it doesn't stop criminal from having them. Criminals don't obey, when civilian retaliate they are war criminals
The rules apply to all. We sanction and punish countries that don’t obey the rules. Usually only black and brown countries but nonetheless there are “laws” governing these conflicts.
Saying there are rules in war is like saying to a bully don’t hit me and the bully says back or what because war doesn’t have rules just like how bullies don’t care about the people they bully unless there is a true deterrent against them which doesn’t because it’s never been used and that would be nuclear weapons 🙂
They cant win cuz only if the gaza people and in the west bank agree to a two state solution and want to make peace than this sh*** will be solved. The next conflict i fear will be worse than this but its not my fault...
is chosen people an identity? the supposed idea of identity politics is to not be denied rights. Be it religious practice or people expressing their grievances. the ultimate guarantor is the unanimous emancipation of the individual. What, other than interference or influence, would you call having foreign & domestic collaboration to deny those rights?
Starvation in Gaza, because all the humanitarian aid goes to the terrorists while their population is starving. But of course that's the Jews' fault too
He's downplayed nothing, if Gazans were starving as much as their propaganda said they were there would be literally no one left alive. 4 months of apparently no food, no water, no gas, no aid, and yet Palestinian journalists and influencers looks exactly the same making daily videos on their iPhones.
Ask yourselves, if Israel is saying “you must release all hostages” and at the same time saying “releasing the hostages won’t stop us from hunting you down”…WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE THE HOSTAGES??? 🙄
NYTimes reporting that US Intelligence says that the mastermind of Oct. 7 is not in Rafah but in the tunnels in Khan Younis,, That being said Israel must go into Rafh
Well, if we're talking about fairness, then let's shine a light on the situation. Israel never gets a fair break? Really? I suppose decades of land appropriation, forced displacement, and military occupation don't count as a leg up, huh? Or maybe the unsettling truth that they can take lives while never facing accountability for their actions. Last time I checked, the scale was tipping quite generously in Israel's favor, with a whole state carved out through tactics that would make Machiavelli blush. And let's not forget the not-so-subtle backing from a certain superpower, which conveniently provides enough firepower to give Goliath a run for his money. So, forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears for poor old Israel and its supposed lack of fairness. It's like watching a heavyweight boxer complain about never winning a fight while standing on the neck of their opponent. So cut the dramatics! 🎻 We have been awakened to the realities that have unfolded for decades in PALESTINE, and what Bill Maher and his Zionist sympathizing guest spew, is nothing but Propaganda
@@holemogaming8677 Oh, how utterly narcissistic to assume I was trying to impress you! My apologies for shattering your illusions, but your feelings? They're just not on my radar 😂😂
@@Junito24 get of your high horse. israelis were displaced from gaza, not the other way round. we have tried to compromise over and over again. and hamas has rejected every time
Well... In Ukraine.. Winning means getting your internationally recognized property back. For Israel, winning seems to mean either killing an idea or vengeance. How else do we accept a casualty count of 10-1 in their favour. One thing if your smashing tanks at a rate of 10 of theirs to one of yours. Quite another when you're smashing people at that rate and most of them are non-combatant. It's just not as simple as Israel's apologists make it out to be. He IS right about who started this particular war.
Completely and willfully missing the point, Israel is not allowed to commit a genocide which they are actively trying to d o, they could evacuate the civilians but they choose not to
They do tho. This has been proven that Israel tells civilians in multiple ways to leave. Also, if they wanted to actually commit genocide , they could. They are trying to get Hamas who happens to hide amongst its people . Go look this stuff up, Israel isn't genociding and if they were, they would be terrible at it if judged by their present behavior
They are not actively trying to do that. If they were then they could accomplish this is far greater numbers. 2 million Israeli citizens are Arabs. If Israel is trying to genocide Arabs then they are doing a terrible job of it.
@@harrypalmer7054 why is it the responsibility of neighbouring countries to accept the burden of refugees created by Israel? What country would ever think that's fair?
I think there are multiple facets to this one-sided view of Israel, at least among a significant portion of the world: First, there is the vast power differential. When one side of a conflict has an enormous military advantage -- regardless of who's right and wrong -- it's human nature to root for the 'underdog.' Second, there is most definitely anti-Semitism involved, not only for racial reasons but for cultural and religious reasons as well (especially among Israel's predominantly Muslim neighbors). Third, there are those among Progressives whose entire geopolitical outlooks are shaped by the likes of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. They reflexively oppose ANYONE who the United States government supports, ESPECIALLY if it's militarily. Fourth, Hamas' "human shield" strategy has proven VERY effective. But intermingling and integrating themselves deeply among the Palestinian populace, they make civilian casualties inevitable, making any Israeli military response a public relations disaster.
I find it hilarious that Israel supposedly has one of the most impressive militaries in the world but yet they still rely on the U.S. for financial and weapons support. If they don't need the U.S. to help defend themselves against Hamas (which they failed to do on October 7th), then why publicly denounce Biden's policy this week?
Good points - and I'd like to add a few more. Part of the problem is that for the past forty years, more and more institutions of higher education have been inseminating people who lean left into seeing the world through one lens only - the oppressed and the oppressor. They strip down the complexity of issues, they bleach out history and the bad things one side does so that a single-sided narrative can be presented. Second, both sides of the political spectrum in many "Western" countries, though there's now backlash in certain countries of Europe, many of which have seen an influx of migrants from Islamic countries, have strayed away from holding Western muslims accountable for the fact that many, not all, of the countries their parents or grandparents came from are oppressor states with no freedom, no rights, no tolerance. Which of course, only plays into the narrative that many left-leaning people are taught in college. I mean, even most Republican politicians in America won't talk openly about the oppressive nature of many, again not all, Islamic countries for fear of losing votes from moderates and center-left Democrats who might have absorbed some of that oppressor/oppressed narrative. Another part of the problem, and it add itself to the intertwined issues I just noted - is that the countries of the Middle East stopped ganging up and attacking Israel jointly. I think if Syria or Egypt or Lebanon had joined in after October 7th and it was a wider, regional conflict, you wouldn't see as much backlash against Israel. Oh, there would still be some, but if you look at press coverage and polling data from the wars from 47 to 73, there was way more support for Israel than today because they were the underdog. But each of its neighbors learned that Israel would and could defend itself so it's been over 40 years now since a major war between Israel and one of its neighbors. And...if you look....countries doing better today than 40 years ago in that region - Jordan, Egypt, and even the UAE (which I can't recall if they participated in any of the post WW2 conflicts) all focused on developing their economies as best as they could and trying to establish more moderate religious beliefs across the country where as places that played the victim card - Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, etc. had their economies and then their governments collapse to the point where they are now failed states filled with religious zealots who's anger and resentment at being left behind by the world is pointed towards Israel and America by their religious leaders who use faith as a weapon and as a tool to stay in power.
I stopped reading your essay after your first point. It's not human nature to root for the underdog. Many don't because they root for winners. #2 - If the underdog is a terrorist using terrorist tactics most people don't root for cheats such as those deployed by Hamas. #3 Rooting interests are usually more biased than those with greater and more in-depth political understanding.
The main problem is that Israel is violently conquering other people’s land while violently displacing millions and millions of people. This is extremely bad, evil, dangerous behaviour. Its too late in history for this shit.
Strange that in the statement he made he correctly identified that people were celebrating when Ukraine was taking BACK IS TERRITORY, but not celebrating when Israel was TAKING PALESTINIAN TERRITORY. Yes, Douglas, quite strange the discrepancy 🧐 Douglas sole claim to be smart is that he has an English accent.
This conflict will not end as long as the world supports one side or the other. Any movement for peace of reconciliation in the ME has been stifled. I do remember groups for peace in Israel but they were neven given much attention by the media and now we don’t know if they still exist.
they regularly snitch on the settlers (their fellow Jews) to FJB admin so the americans have someone to sanction one red pilled peace activist is Einat Wilf, look up her
It would be legitimate to call it war if Israel admitted Palestine as an independent state. Because war is a state of relationships between countries. So far, Gaza is an unregulated enclave that they've been slowboiling and missed the pressure hike.
Why is it that people suddenly become 4 years old when discussing complicated global issues like this? Maybe there was a time when one group truly held the moral high ground. But both sides have killed children. And they’ve been doing it for decades. Let’s leave “morality” out of this. Both sides will have you believe that are the victim while the other is the aggressor. But they are all of those things at all times. You have to ask yourself whether you want to deal with a state that commits war crimes and shows up to their trial or a state that just commits war crimes. That’s the options we’ve got if you stop infantilizing your favorite side and see things for what they are.
Israel showed up yes But completely ignored the interim measures advocated by the ICJ.. Then proceeded to falsely accuse and vilify UN (of which ICJ is a part) and UNRWA No- Israel is far far far worse than the “other” side
Is Douglas Murray really saying what I think he is saying ? For context what Israel has always wanted was a State of its own , and to achieve this aim in years gone by they have forced Palestinians off their ancestral Homelands. The Palestinians have lived and worked on their lands for thousands of years , you can see it in the buildings of the old cities of Israel , Why should they be forced to leave ? The ever so nice phrase "Let Israel Win" really means getting rid of the Palestinians.
The Palestinians most certainly did not arrive to that land "thousands" of years ago. That is false. The Arabs ethnically cleansed Egypt of Egyptians, Syria of Syrians, Algeria of Algerians and are trying to ethnically cleanse the indigenous Jewish people off the land of Judea.
for thousands of years....dude you're wrong, that was the jews long before there were any "Arabs" or "Palestinians" which by the way was never meant to describe a "people". The oldest archeological sites are jewish, not Palestinian. So if this land is ancestral to anyone, than it is to the jews. The palestinans mostly weren't forced off "their" land by Israelis, nope Sir, that was by the arab states. They ordered and forced the people off these land so not to get into the crossfire. Ben Gurion and Golda Maier tried to convince them to stay and be a part of Israel, they wouldn't. Well, they lost and that was the price to pay, as every aggressor has to pay. The rest of the lands were bought from Jordanian landowners. So before you continue to spread the typical Hamas-lies, better get your information right
The Kingdom of Israel exited over 2000 years ago. Palestine is a Roman name, given by the emperor who conquered the kingdom of Israel. The Jews are the original inhabitants of that area. Arabs spread across the land from the Arab peninsula to the south and they didn't do it peacefully.
Putin ordered his forces to invade Ukraine. The I/P conflict predated the Oct 7th attacks. As for the 'Israel cannot win' narrative and the 'you cannot put out 80% of a fire', it's because you cannot use the military to defeat an ideology. See the British experience in Northern Island. Or Kenya. Or Malaya. But as a starting pointing there's Gaza which has been described as the world's largest open-air prison, and Israel have repeatedly allowed their settlers to 'abuse' and confiscate property from Palestinians on the West Bank. So perhaps comparing a hot war against the Red Army, on Ukrainian soil, on the edge Europe with the I/P conflict is particularly jaw-dropping.
the only "open air prison" where people crossed the border to Israel every day to work and recieve medical care in Israeli hospital. why Egypt is barely being mentioned each time that this thing comes up I will never understand
@ofrikalif4938 'Why is Egypt barely being mentioned...' Why? What has Egypt got to do with this? Or are you expecting Palestinians to be driven into Egypt? And as for 'medical attention' that's laughable, with men, women and children undergoing traumatic amputations without anaesthesia.
@@johnathanh2660 before the war started, Israel gave Gazan people jobs in Israel and allowed them in for medical treatment, alongside with providing the Gaza strip with water and electricity because their gov was busy on spending money on other things (rockets, tunnels etc). then the war started and the rest is known. Israel is allways being blamed for making Gaza "an open air prison". however no one is willing to talk about Egypt, which has a border with Gaza as well and as it looks like, the Egyptians are more terrified about Gaza and Hamas than Israel does because they know their mentality however nobody is accusing Egypt of making Gaza an air open prison despite having a border with Gaza, just like Israel has.
It's 8 a.m. Saturday, 11th of May. The skies are dark with smoke from the fires that Hizballah ignited along the northern border of Israel with Lebanon. The Hizballah rockets have been incinerating the homes, villages and fields of the Upper Galilee. The smell of smoke is heavy, so I've closed all the windows; hope that helps. Tomorrow there may be rain, if we're lucky. My home is a couple of hours away by car...I pray for the IDF soldiers who are giving their all to defend us. Keep them safe.
"Suffering" in a war zone, but watching RUclips videos? Lady, your war experience is not the same as those being murdered in Gaza today. It's funny that Bill's guests talk about the protestors pretending to be victims---um, victimhood is what drives israeli policy.
There is a Chinese saying about the relationship between Israel and the US. 同床异梦。Sleeping together but each has different dream.Or the US has got the wrong sleeping partner.
There can be no honest discussion of this without considering Netanyahu's own political and legal position- he is only in power so long as he satisfies the far-right coalition that put him in power, and if the war ends, Netanyahu will be directly in court for the criminal prosecution that was already set to begin before the war started, for corruption. Stop talking about "Israel" and start talking about the specific people and policies driving the war- they want us to think Netanyahu speaks for Israel. He doesn't. Most Israelis want him gone....
You can win it’s just the way you do it that matters. Russia Ukraine comparison is a false equivalency. How many Russian children dead in that conflict
You just proved Douglas's point. You're talking about the number of deaths, which is an indication of who is winning or losing. In WWII, hundreds of thousands of German civilians were killed versus tens of thousands of English. Does that mean England was the bad guy? No, so well done for proving Murray's point.
Not quite right, my point being is that like it or not people care about the number of children that die in pursuit of your cause be it just or not so the Ukraine and Gaza is a poor comparison to base your argument on. if as many children had died in the Ukraine Russia as Gaza the (I hope) people would be condemming each conflict equally
Putin Russia is the same as Netanyahu Israel… no doubts in there, the facts, the history speaks for itself. The question is : Why they are treated differently… that’s the only question
It's definitely not the same. In Israel, you won't get a 12 years prison sentence for disagreeing with the war. Russia has become a totalitarian state in the trueist sense of the word. Israel is leading a brutal war and committing war crimes but its citizens are quite free people. Many of them protest Netanjahu's warfare and corruption.
@@gaulishrealist This comparizon is poor too. Ukraine ONLY defends its territory. They don't bomb Russian cities, they don't force millions of Russians to move otherwise they would be bombed, they don't block food and medicaments etc.
This was painful to watch Three Israeli behind kissers. Hamas is not an army with soldiers You're not in a war with another side You are just killing women and children Benjamin netanyahu said that's what he wanted to do he supported Hamas for the last 10 years just for this reason
If Hamas isn’t an army, how did they manage to slaughter 1600 innocent Jews last year? If the Palestinians don’t want to get murdered, they shouldn’t vote for terrorist leaders.
Ham-ass had majoritian support and civilians who even worked, were friends with Israeli took part in the massacre... So here is the condition that would stop Ham-ass, just ask to fight like men and not hide behind women and children,
Can't handle actual truth apparently. Doesn't fit your fabricated narrative so maybe throw a tantrum and try to stop traffic, see if that works. Won't change the facts but maybe your need to be heard will help you cope.
No lies were told. But you know what the truly amazing thing about this clip was? That the >audience< applauded when Murray defended Israel. So it's not just Maher who has suddenly had the (blue) veil lifted from his eyes but also his audience.
The two guests have somewhat different political views but are in total agreement about the naive, easily led college students and their non student handlers. “ If I yell loud enough, my pathetic, participation trophy life will have meaning.”
I understand there are a lot of atheists in this world.But there are also people who know the truth.And this stuff goes all the way back before we even heard of this stuff is historical and biblical.There's a supernatural reason why this is happening, And for anybody who doesn't like what I just said.I really don't care and I support israel all the way❤
The reason why Ukraine and Israel is treated differently is the fact that too many people only see power imbalance as the measure of right and wrong.
Ukraine hasn't been occupying and stealing land from the Russians for the last 75 years.
Or maybe because one is a Holy War based on religious zealots and the other is a land grab by Russia.
Just curious, how many apartment blocks, hospitals, and schools has Ukraine obliterated?
@@JJPrizeDistributionComitteenonsequitur
Even when the ideology doesn't match. That's the dangerous part.
'And the Saudis will be keen on the gays ' I burst out laughing.Thanks Douglas
Alan Turing?
B I G O T.
@@elkobit7415 😂😂😂 C’mon Man!
Saudis are Israeli American allies. 😂
Thank goodness for the Green Prince.
That man has been VERY BUSY this year, and I'm so thankful for him.
I'm stunned he's still alive. (I'm happy but definitely surprised.)
The Green Prince?? Booster Juice Smoothie ass name
His name is Mossab Hassan Yusuf. Learn the fucking Arabic.
First I’m hearing Green Prince. I think I like it
@@nataliazakula3400 lol
Well...he got the name decades ago, when he was still in the good graces of his father, but I think it still suits him!
He's a very stubborn Taurus,
He makes no compromises, and is very set in his opinions, but you can't argue with right!
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I don't know if Israel will loose the belic war but they for sure lost the propaganda war.
This is because of people like you who puts too much into "propoganda" instead of a real truth
I disagree. According to recent polls, 70% of the US citizens support Israel 100%. That means only 30% are affected by the propaganda. This is consistent with the history I've read. The German National Socialists before WW2 (I won't say their real name since youtube will hate me for it) only captured 30% of the German vote. If you read the history of WW2 you'll get a good idea why this allowed the socialists to come to power.. but the original point stands.. only a third of any population normally responds to propaganda in a way that is consistent with what the propagandists want. Most people can see through it. And Americans, God bless them, exemplify this point at this moment in history.
@@Aleksus I think you will find that the IDF are more interested in Propaganda rather than truth. They have continiuosly liead in the other wars they had about some slaughters the y have done, so why would you believe them now. All the Hamas figures for the dead civilians were always veryfied as being as a ccurate as they could be and all this in hind sight again and again and again over decades. Soask yourelf a serious question and try and use critical thinking. who is telling the truth?
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Ukraine was very much told from the beginning "Don't win too much". Weapons given to them had their ranges shortened. Thank you UK for crossing the line with Challenger tanks and Storm Shadow. They've been prevented from attacking into Russia with US supplied weapons. How can you not attack troops massing on your border when you are already at war? They've been told to not hit Russian oil infrastructure after sanctions were ineffective and largely bypassed. They've been supplied just enough to prolong the war without letting them succeed in evicting Russian invaders. Would the summer offensive have been successful if Ukraine had ATACMs? We'll never know, but they've been hitting Russian airfields, boats, and training and supply depots hard since they got the few they were supplied.
Yes I remember all the "don't humiliate Putin" bs.
West didn't say they could not reconquest their 2014 borders, they just say don't attack Russia proper. However, Israel is not even allowed to target missile sites that are being fired at Israel.
You hit the nail on the head. Remember Macron saying we need to give Putin an off ramp?
You are so mislead.
Ukraine is too privilege
Well actually that’s exactly what Ukraine was told. Don’t strike here. Don’t do that. Don’t do this. Can’t use these weapons for this or that. Ukraine is not allowed to win.
Ukraine is fighting the most powerful non western military superpower. Israel is fighting mostly women and children.
But they did strike anyway
don't do this? don't do that? What the fuck are you trying to say? Why does everyone talk like PBD now? He's speaks like a functionally illiterate person.
@@monkeybusinessasusuall5467 Only occasionally, often inciting ire from the West.
Uh what....? What have they been told not to do? Seems like since day 1 everything has been on the table...and considering they've been given over 150 billion from the US alone, and equipment/munitions from the whole world...
Why don't we just give Alabama to the Palestinians. It's about 10 times bigger than the State of Palestine with about the same population.
Give florida to the Israeli's if the US is so keen on defending them.
Free the Palestine People from Hamas.
They are Hamas. Have you not seen the have been training kids for decades. Funded by the UN.
You lack the understanding of this conflict, obviously.
Hamas got elected into power by the Palestinian people in 2007, and removed all elections form palestine to insure they stay in power.
They have held their country as hostages ever since
Hamas needs to be removed.
But Israeli government funded them to promote Netanyahus agenda of centre right wing fear mongering, so Israel created this issue in a around about way to continue conflict😅
This is just chaos.
No winners all losers
@@Silence_Duder_Gooder You lack the understanding of Hamas
@@otchigal6527, and you lack understanding of the history of why Hamas is still there. And it wouldn't even matter if Hamas was removed from this metric, because another civilian militia would have to take their place, UNLESS Israel started doing the right thing, which they obviously won't, just so long as Netanyahu and his Likud Party of neocon thugs are in charge.
Have a nice day. 😁
It didn't start recently at all - this started over 70 years ago.
the ones winning are Arms Contractors. $100 Billion in additional spending to the already $850 Billion annual spending. Where are the people worried about the national Debt? Eisenhower explained the Military Industrial Complex in his 1961 speech. Orwell explained it in 1984 - the war is not meant to be won, its meant to be endless. It's profitable, that's what matters.
You're point? This aspect of human nature will never change. Countries have nucs. Unless you want to live under a dictator in a foreign land, or be incenerated, learn to live with some uncomfortable truths.
@@sarge5000 War is profitable, therefore war is a good result. It doesn't matter who wins or loses. The US just spent Trillions fighting in Afghanistan. We lost. But profits were high.
They asked Joe Biden about US Citizens getting health care his answer is 'How you gonna pay for it'. But it's a great idea to add $100 Billion in debt to help other countries spend for their wars? Nobody even pauses to think about adding $100 Billion to the debt - see Eisenhower's 1961 speech.
Israel has universal healthcare, how about they take away their citizens healthcare to pay for some weapons? We are sending billions to Ukraine to keep their pension and health care payments (its not just weapons). Adding to the debt is great for a country we have no treaty obligation to and yet we call American citizens who paid for the social security system 'entitled leeches' Its beyond insane.
"Uncomfortable truths" lol it's literally as corrupt an idea as possible. Let's profit billions while other people die. This idea that we shouldn't ever even attempt to do better because, this is the way it's done is insane.
It’s true and always has been. However with the 15 mil ter ole joe has let in here you’ll be saying money well spent on n our military when the next 9/11 is here which should be any day now since every fto knows how weak obiden is and sees how he’s pandering to the H supporters for votes by not sending Israel the aid that was agreed upon. They all now know to take hostages as well.
The uncomfortable truth is that 50+ countries are being out produced by one that is spending less than 1/5th of what we spend on ours. A country that has a better economic forecast than most EU nations ,winning both on the economic and military fronts despite it being one of the most heavily sanctioned countries on earth.
I guess the point being that you can't just throw money at the problem, you need to spend it wisely. Every war nato is backing could've easily been solved over the phone using basic diplomacy.
Title of this clip is misleading. “They’re not allowed to win” is different than “can’t” which was never said in the clip.
To be clear if Israel wanted to they could win the war in minutes.
I think what it means is like when your spouse is going to be mad if you do thing A but also if you do thing B and you throw up your hands and you say, "I can't win". It's a figure of speech. Not sure they meant to imply that Israel is incapable of military victory.
Mislead again
I’m sorry but you may have autism is you find the title misleading.
Read
Between
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Lines
He also said the exact words “they’re not allowed to win”.
What more do you need? 😂
@@deadgolfer6345was just about to explain this but you've done a better job of it.
What happened to Douglas Murray, he was so based, now he is bending his knees to "the Tribe".
We'll still be discussing unrest in the Middle East a hundred years from now.
Yawn.
🚩Bill & legacy media need to stop the lie & the manipulation 🤦♀️
Since Camp David, the Palestinian official Authority has recognized Israel as an independent state. Yet, the Israeli government has NEVER recognized Palestine as an independent state. 🤷♀️
Yes, non-official Palestinian extremists & terrorists refuse to recognize Israel, but at the same token, Israeli extremeists & terrorists refused to recognize Palestine! Perhaps the main difference here is that some Israeli extremists actually officially work within the current Israeli extremist government, e.g. Itamar Ben Gvir, Bezalel Smotrich, & Yariv Levin!🤷♀️
As long as Islam exists.
@@longstraightlines6747 you spelt israel wrong champ
I'll always support Israel and the Abraham Accords.
Over a millennium and still fighting. I think they will keep fighting for a long time.
It's been fascinating watching Bill Maher dive deeper and deeper into his pro-Zionist propaganda echo chamber. Funny how all the comedians who scream about censorship and cancel culture are the best at stifling real political dissent on their own platforms. Would love to see what kind of knowledge Mehdi Hasan, Ilan Pappe, Chris Hedges, Naomi Klein, Norman Finkelstein, Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky or any number of other critics of Israel would bring to this show.
"Never allowed to win"..= a global issue
Moderation in warfare is suicidal.
Do your “wise word” apply to past British actions in Ireland too ?
Let’s pretend that maimed kids who’ve lost family don’t become terrorists. Let’s pretend Bibi can kill as many Hamas as he’s creating.
Bibi loved and supported Hamas. He WANTS extremist enemies, not peaceful opponents, to use as more excuse to take more Palestinian land and abuse more of them.
Because Zionism tells him God is only on his side. Ridiculous.
@@devgupta8815yes, they’ve allowed the Irish to exist this whole time. Who knows how many IRA have been allowed to flourish or how many have been born since.
May you never be on the weaker side of a power assymetry, whether in a just war or unjust war.
Wars for thousands of years were fought in moderation between armies. It is only modern warfare that took off the guardrails. Now total war means total destruction.
Come on, post the whole thing!
On the other hand I cannot see how the war in Gaza leads to a better situation for Israel. If they occupy Gaza, they will have a mess on their hand. Together with the harm done to the civilian population, they are breeding the next generation of Hamas (or whatever next terrorist organization). They have and are continuing to loose he support of the West - and Netanjahu buries his criminal affairs and the incompetence, which allowed the attack in the first place, under it.
*lose.
There won't be next hamas Generation. Hamas is Iran's proxies who threaten all the muslim countries, not just Israel. There is a reason that none of the muslim countries aside from Turkey and Qatar support Hamas. And These two countries don't accept refugees from Palestine either.
Their problem is their religions beliefs, unwilling to compromise, forgive, evolve. etc. This region has been fighting forever. If it weren't for the oil in the region the US would not care one bit!
But it is far from the oil, they want to rebuild King Saloman's Temple. It is all about their religious beliefs. Your already on RUclips. Look for documentaries about it on here. But not the religious ones. The ones that tell you the truth like historians. This is about bringing about the apocalypse. The 3rd time the temple falls, I think the Muslims may be having an issue with that to. But yeah, there is a lot more that they don't go into as to why the keep rebuilding that temple. Personally, I think everyone should know what they are NOT saying about it all!! Have a good one!😊
which is the main reason to promote electric vehicles.
Its not about the oil. If any American admin actually wanted more oil they would just drill in Alaska and gas would be 40 cents.
You are mistaken. It's the #AIPAC that rules the USA.
Read Mearsheimer's 'The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy'
Israel has the second least oil of any country in the middle east and it's not like being allied with Israel helps america with the countries that do have oil, so no, this has nothing to do with oil
What garbage
Misleading title. That’s not exactly what he said there is it?
clickbait
He said it. Word for Word
He stated that Israel is not allowed to win. So, yes, the title can be understood to mean that Israel is not able to win.
@@zacharywhite211 , There were more words after that that put it in context. You know, the words you omitted as well.
Dishonest much?
It made you click, didn't it. You and me both.😅
Except the leaders are not in Rafah and the resurgence of Hamas in the North are an indication that the military strategy is not working.
I totally agree with Freeing the 16% of Palestinians in Gaza, -who had the obvious good sense not to vote for Hamas just prior to the attack on Oct 7
I'm sure he has been there. With a crew, security, food. I don't have to have been there to know that among 30k thus far dead, 15k were children
No, 15000 were H soldiers. Dont believe the H talking point. So by your logic no a single adult pal has been unalived in this entire conflict.
That’s according to Hamas. Some MSM remember to prefix the ‘figures’ with that caveat; most don’t. So, no you don’t ‘know’ anything.
Except now that the UN stopped believing Hamas made up numbers, it updated its numbers to 7500, not 15000. It’s still awfully a lot, but in a population of 50+% of children, 7500 it of 35000 dead shows that the bombings don’t try to target children at all. And all that without even considering that many youth in Gaza fight with Hamas but are still registered as children
Maybe the Israeli government shouldn’t have had a plan to prop up the more extreme Hamas over the more moderate PLO.
Read up on the events of Black September before you start running your mouth about how "moderate" the PLO is.
@@Arcananine77 oh and GFY
@@Arcananine77At least they did not shoot children in the knee caps for target practice and steal their homes. Maybe you should stop running your mouth off and watch the real news. Maybe you tik tok or Al Jazeera? Oh no. They have banned them too fpr speaking and showing true facts. EDUCATE YOURSELF
@@Arcananine77 You can find Israel commanders about how they feed Hamas at first place lol
Hamas is the elected government of Gaza and most Palestinians celebrated the 7th October attack, if that's not a war between two states i don't know what war is...
Mmuslim as far as Pakistan and Bangladesh openly celebrated 7th October on streets, drunk on their power over killing Jews just like they have killed every other non-muslim in their country and yet they pretend to be victims of Islamophobia when they gave retaliation...
Get someone with opposing views on the panel and open up the conversation. Get out of the echo chamber maybe you'll have a different understanding
Bill Maher is a whimp who never has people who push back
My opinions have grown to change on this subject. I agree that Israel has a right to defend itself and there is propaganda coming from both sides. Let’s be real about something though. Unlike Ukraine, people living in Gaza can’t leave Gaza, no surrounding countries will help any of them, the civilians can’t do anything but be used by Hamas as human shields or Israel as target practice. It’s a now win situation where neither side is right about what they are doing, to take a side and say the other is vehemently wrong is to deny any logic and to the situation.
Pray for civilians!
No one is capturing the Khazar occupiers in Palestine, the border is open, let them go home in poland.
Because of the extreme leadership if Netanyahu, Israel will be known as the bully of the Middle East.
Why can't the Gazaens go to Egypt, Jordan or Saudi Arabia. In the city of Mina are air conditioned tents for 3 Million people. Bahrain, Quatar and UAV are pretty rich. They need people for their economies. And if I not mistaken they all speak Arabian.
Also many worked in Israel.
Maybe a false victim mentality fueling their nationalism and revisionism won't help the Palestinians.
I appreciate your attempt to try and be fair. good faith is always appreciated. I will just note that there is a very good reason why Egypt isnt taking in Gazans. they are no Ukranians, Ill tell you that. I will also note that Israel isnt using civillians as "Target practice". thats actually a terrible smear. Israel is killing less civillians in comparison to terrorists than any other modern army in history, when fighting an Urban war. just facts.
@captainchaoscow it's a good question and I'm amazed that Egypt and yhe other Arab nations have not been criticized. But fact is Egypt will not let them in
Such a disengenous point. If Ukraine were bombing and killing thousands of civilians and the war was being driven on by a leader that was motivated to avoid facing the music on his election and trial would we really be egging them on?
Dudes be behaving like youtubers who get sponsered by raid shadow legends.
In the early 1940’s when they started negotiating with the British about who would get the British land that the British acquired from the Ottomans, the two groups at the bargaining table were the Arabs and the Jews. The “Palestinians “ didn’t exist yet. They didn’t exist until 1960’s… and yet we MUST believe that they are the only indigenous people, and that ALL the land is theirs, that the Jews…the only ones who have ever negotiated for peaceful division, are the invaders stealing land and are the aggressors.
How stupid the world has become.
So because alot of arab families who lived and worked on the land but may not have had deeds for centuries they had no rights?none at all?u do realise the zionist leaders admitted to create a jewish state transfer of the local arab population would have to happen?but your ok with that?u see nothing wrong with that?.
Help me understand ... I thought Palestine was created in 1920 by the victorious allies after WW1 in the Treaty of Sèvres, along with Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Why would we not consider the people of that new state Palestinians from 1920 onwards? And how are the Israelies the only ones who ever negotiated for a two-state solution? What about Camp David and Oslo? The last Israeli leader who was serious about that was Yitzhak Rabin, murdered by Zionist extremists in 1995. Since then Israel has been ruled by leaders with zero interest in a lasting peace and who benefit politically from a never-ending conflict with Hamas and Hezbollah.
@@davidbutler116 Ok, I’ll help you understand.
Palestine was named by the Romans (Hadrian) after they conquered Judea and dispersed the Jews. (Look up Jewish Diaspora) He changed the name to cut the Jews from land.
There was never a nation called “Palestine “ and there were no people who called themselves Palestinian until the 1960’s for political expediency. Palestine was the name of a territory on a map. There is no Palestinian language, no ancient Palestinian coins and so on.
What you’re referring to in 1920 is the British winning the land from the Ottoman Turks who sided with the Axis in WWI, and who had controlled the territory for the previous 400 years. At no point has there ever existed a Nation, State or Country of Palestine. The now British territory was called “The British mandate for Palestine”. It was inhabited by Jews, Arabs, Christians, Druiz etc… None of those groups had ever had a nation called Palestine. In fact, when the Arabs were rebelling against the British in the mid 1930’s, they called it the Arab revolt. It never occurred to them to call themselves Palestinian. There is no separate group of Arabs who can remotely be considered to be the only indigenous people of the territory of Palestine. That is a lie, plain and simple.
So the British had promised to turn the mandate over to the Arabs AND to the Jews. From the very start they were going to have to negotiate and share. The Jews wanted to negotiate, the Arabs never have. That is the source of the conflict. The British turned over the area now known as Jordan to the Arabs. They tried to do the same in Israel with the Jews but the Arabs would have none of it. They demanded it all and have not wavered from that demand with a continuing promise to destroy the Jews as seen by the election of Hamas and their promise to wipe out Israel and they’re chants of “from the river to the sea”
Camp David: it was an agreement between Egypt and Israel. It has nothing to do with the “Palestinians “. You have to remember that the nations surrounding Israel all hated Israel and attacked Israel without provocation unless you count wanting to exist as a provocation.
The Failure of the Oslo accords : jewishunpacked.com/the-oslo-accords-peace-between-israelis-and-palestinians/
Doomed from the start and undermined by continuing Arab violence and distrust on every side.
As to your last comment about Israel not wanting peace 🤦♂️
What’s wrong with you? Why would Jews want thousands of rocket attacks over decades, having their Olympic athletes murdered, having extremists sneak across the border to kidnap, rape and murder them? The assertion makes no sense. The Jews want peace and to be left alone. They control Gaza because Gaza is used as a staging area by the Arabs from which to launch attacks and plot war.
What’s important here is that you can’t understand the present if you don’t have any awareness of the past.
I guess it depends on which version of history u trust . The white man's version ....or REAILTY
What do u mean palestinian doesnt exist untill 1960? They suddenly poof into existance? I advise not to complicate things with "labels". There are human being living "there" & most of them arabs muslim/christians. After that came more new comers & they are jews from other "places" (not to complicate) & now their having war with each other. For now, going further backward & labelling them wont help. People can read. moving fwd everyone must spread the need to stop the war & next & next
Watching Gen Z become a mouthpiece for Hamas wasn't on my bingo card.
It was on mine, “gays for palestine” comes to mind
So two jews agree israel is totally defending itself and didnt start this by being unilaterally declared in someone else's land.
Israelis aren't in someone else's land.
I think you guys is title is wrong. It should be titled Hamas can't win.
I would call the IDF response to Oct. 7 - the Uvalde Response.
Like 9/11, Netanyahu knew they were coming. Why the media won't show the protest against Netanyahu? Many Israelis disapprove of the conservative government of who has been very anti-Arab and anti-black towards minorities in Israel and many Israelis disapprove of continued Israeli settlements in the West Bank and the over Apartheid style system in how Palestinians are treated which angers people and make them vulnerable to extremist recruitment.
Thank you Douglas Murray!!
The civilian death rate is also way, *way* higher from the Israeli military compared to the Russians in the Ukraine.
Ideology does not explain Reality. Facts people. Facts. Engineers vs. Politicians. Who do you trust?
I disagree with Douglas on a lot, but he’s spot on here.
Their conjecture over the reasons behind the worlds criticism of Israel was some of the most bad faith BS I've ever witnessed.
But it's true. No one has demanded that Iran stop backing terrorists or called on Hamas to give up every hostage. Why is Israel always the first country to blame?
@@jlev1028 We obviously apply different standards and pressures for countries we align with. If our allies ghosted us like our enemies then that's a problem. Whataboutism is what the show and you are spouting, and its an unbalanced idea. Like if you blame people who march for cancer, why don't they ever speak up about birth defects of children. It's a deflection at best.
@@jlev1028 Do we give Iran endless weapons? Do we call Iran our ally? No, we sanction them ruthlessly, including life saving medicine (in violation of international law) take out their top general (Solomoni), and fight nearly all their proxies on the battlefield. And the west doesn't make a peep because they agree with this
We make a peep about Israel because we support them no matter what they do, no matter how egregious their crimes. We as citizens directly aid Israel with our labor.
Humus has agreed to release all the hostages in exchange for a ceasefire and Israel said no! Stop giving me that BS.
You are as bad faith as the ppl I was referring to in my OP.
@@atlehman69 Hamas agreed to a ceasefire but said that it would keep attacking Israel untill there is no more Israel.
this is not a real ceasefire but an attempt to regroup so they can launch more attacks like the have done.
there is realy no point of having a ceasefire when one side clearly says that it will keep on attacking the other side.
@@ofrikalif4938 And one side holds the other in an open air prison
30k Ukrainian civilian casualties in 2 years. 34k civilian casualties in Gaza in just under 7 months.
The reason the Israelis aren't allowed to win is because of the way the region was annexed. There was no "war", the superpowers of the day just annexed the region while mostly ignoring the local population that was there.
I'm not saying there's an easy answer to the problem but it helps to actually look at what created the problem in the first place.
He forgot
- oh wait they might increase the price of oil….. to his list of Middle East considerations.
He inherently would likely change his sarcastic tone, experience less audience laughter, and forcibly have to look inward.
Why can’t I want the return of the hostages, AND not want 10s of thousands of innocent humans to die trying to free the hostages? How can they not be more tactical? And how is this view antisemitism? I would feel this way regardless of the people involved. No one deserves to be held hostage. No innocent people deserve to die, suffer, or starve.
You are absolutely right.
Hey, thanks. That’s nice to hear.
A few things here, Hamas has a history of using citizens as meat shields so there's that point.
Secondly more tactical, what exactly are you expecting on that front?
A few things to note, whether you agree with the statement or not, Israel views oct 7 as their 9/11. Which as we can see from america's reaction to 9/11 is a huge major emotionally motivating factor.
Secondly Hamas started this war and it is essentially seen by Israel as ''if we don't get rid of hamas now they will do it again''
Lastly Over the years, many countries who initially criticized the actions of Israel , later agreed with them.
Notably, operation opera in destroying Hussein's nuclear plant that was going to be used to destroy Israel.
@@discussioncorner ok chatGPT
If you read up on urban warfare you will understand more. Just sitting and saying that Israel should be more tactical when they are conducting the most tactical war in human history is silly.
Murray is such a biased and out of touch journalist. A self important know-it-all who plays the victim and arbiter of whatever subject he speaks on... Nothing upstanding about that kind of "journalism"... and the irony in the show also being about victimization LOL
TPTB don't want wars to end, they want them to go on forever. They make more money that way.
My opinion has completely changed on Israel after all this. October 7 was horrific . The blind nationalistic fever that has gripped the media, politicians willingness for the public to overlook the killings in the west bank and apathy to ethnic cleaning and dying of People in Gaza is really shocking to me. They have a right to live in peace and dignity just like Israelis. Even the comments here about them is reflective of that. The right wing government of Israel cares nothing for the people of Gaza or the hostages just some dream of ethnic cleansing. We need to walk away from supporting Israel with weapons and military until they get rid of this current government and come to their senses about the consequences of all this and pull settlers out the west bank. The scenes on the evening news are horrific.
Tell me, are you equally outraged about the war in Yemen waged by Saudi Arabia that the US (has) assisted for almost a decade?
@@Arcananine77 see, that’s exactly what your doing. Deflecting doesn’t change this inhumane war. We as Americans are funding this war directly and it needs to stop. Its. Barbarism.
My opinion completely changed after Oct 7, when I realized the pro-Palestine movement was a sham. You have no interest in democracy or civil rights, and certainly no interest in the lives of Israeli Jews who would be exterminated if Hamas won the war. You want yet another Arab-Muslim dictatorship in the Middle East, with no rights for women, LGBTQ people, or religious minorities. Shame on you.
Start by implementing international Law. Israel can start by implementing international law, withdraw from 67 borders and return of Palestinean refugees. After that, they can get the same support as Ukraine or even more.
Only saw part of Real Time: 1/2 hour was missing on HBO. What happened?
Pro palestine mobs put him on their blacklist.
*This is the first time I agree with Douglas*
Antisemitism isnt just hate, is obsession "
And in terms of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict "anti-semitism" does not apply, because ethnically (most) Israelis and Palestinians are both Semites.
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The Nazis and the arabs of Israel collaborated in the 1940s
@@einundsiebenziger5488That term is often misunderstood. The word "semitism" is (or was until recently) an exclusively linguistic term for a family of languages that includes both Arabic and Hebrew. The fact is that "anti-semitism" is an unfortunate and ill-conceived euphemism for the original term _Judenhass_ (Jew hatred) popularized by Wilhelm Marr in the 1870s for the name of his organization, "Antisemiten-Liga" (league of antisemites). It means opposition to Jews as a people and had a racial connotation that was appealing to Germans after Darwin's Origin of Species became popularized and vulgarized. Now there's a new euphemism, but the referent always remains the same.
This man says jounalists should be non partisan? This is the most one sided partisan pit sweater I've ever seen on any show.
Probably because he's on the side of speaking the truth
If being pro-democracy is being "partisan", I'll happily chose a side.
Which truth is that? The truth that you can’t stop a war until the enemy is 100% defeated or if your enemy attacks first you get to commit genocide against their people?
@@e.j.406The former.
@@jlev1028 Attention all 90-year-old Vietnam Vets. Please report for duty. A youtube commenter thinks we made a mistake.
Why the F arent America in the Eurovision song contest??
Next year then.. I wanna see a contribution from Gaza aswell
America? In EUROvision? Bro, what?
@@songofthefierce9647 yeah! Why not? I think country music would do fine in ESC
@@anderandersson5229 ... It's for European countries. That's the Euro in Eurovision.
@@songofthefierce9647then how come Israel is allowed to participate in it?
@@codysparks1454 The fact that a country further away from Europe than Lebanon is IN Eurovision is very revealing.
It's interesting how Murray is so vigilant calling out anti-Semitism with regards to the Middle East and this war. Yet I'm pretty sure he'll be obtuse about anti-Semitism when anti-Semitism on the Right fringes of Trump's base is brought to his attention. He'll then more than likely try to call out 'the other side' and somehow make some lame attempt at false equivalency. He kind of did something like this generally when Trump was being discussed towards the end of the panel discussion. He somehow thinks that there is always symmetry or that is has to exist rather than looking at what is going on and accepting obvious asymmetry.
He is a bigot who would have guarded the Jews in German concentration camps if being a German during WW II.
There are literally rules for war and if you break them you are considered a war criminal.
That's the issue, doss rules apply to hamas?
It is like the gun debate you can take away the guns from citizens but it doesn't stop criminal from having them.
Criminals don't obey, when civilian retaliate they are war criminals
only if you lose
Uh huh and then what happens? Nothing.
The rules apply to all. We sanction and punish countries that don’t obey the rules. Usually only black and brown countries but nonetheless there are “laws” governing these conflicts.
Saying there are rules in war is like saying to a bully don’t hit me and the bully says back or what because war doesn’t have rules just like how bullies don’t care about the people they bully unless there is a true deterrent against them which doesn’t because it’s never been used and that would be nuclear weapons 🙂
So who exactly is winning if Israel is allowed to win?
They cant win cuz only if the gaza people and in the west bank agree to a two state solution and want to make peace than this sh*** will be solved. The next conflict i fear will be worse than this but its not my fault...
is chosen people an identity? the supposed idea of identity politics is to not be denied rights. Be it religious practice or people expressing their grievances. the ultimate guarantor is the unanimous emancipation of the individual. What, other than interference or influence, would you call having foreign & domestic collaboration to deny those rights?
I think the Saudis are already very keen on the gays. That's why they have very very private gardens with high walls.
He downplayed starvation in Gaza. I lost him there.
You downplay the evil of Hamas.
Have you been there? He has multiple times in the past few months
@@monkeybusinessasusuall5467Israel uses the evil of Hamas to allow them to do almost anything.
Starvation in Gaza, because all the humanitarian aid goes to the terrorists while their population is starving. But of course that's the Jews' fault too
He's downplayed nothing, if Gazans were starving as much as their propaganda said they were there would be literally no one left alive. 4 months of apparently no food, no water, no gas, no aid, and yet Palestinian journalists and influencers looks exactly the same making daily videos on their iPhones.
Bill got one thing right- “Israel is Gods Chosen People.”
Perfectly put
Ask yourselves, if Israel is saying “you must release all hostages” and at the same time saying “releasing the hostages won’t stop us from hunting you down”…WHY WOULD THEY RELEASE THE HOSTAGES??? 🙄
Douglas is always right. He just is.
In his own mind and yours.
NYTimes reporting that US Intelligence says that the mastermind of Oct. 7 is not in Rafah but in the tunnels in Khan Younis,, That being said Israel must go into Rafh
Why is Simon Cowell saying the same thing Hitler said
Well, if we're talking about fairness, then let's shine a light on the situation. Israel never gets a fair break? Really? I suppose decades of land appropriation, forced displacement, and military occupation don't count as a leg up, huh? Or maybe the unsettling truth that they can take lives while never facing accountability for their actions. Last time I checked, the scale was tipping quite generously in Israel's favor, with a whole state carved out through tactics that would make Machiavelli blush. And let's not forget the not-so-subtle backing from a certain superpower, which conveniently provides enough firepower to give Goliath a run for his money. So, forgive me if I'm not shedding any tears for poor old Israel and its supposed lack of fairness. It's like watching a heavyweight boxer complain about never winning a fight while standing on the neck of their opponent. So cut the dramatics! 🎻 We have been awakened to the realities that have unfolded for decades in PALESTINE, and what Bill Maher and his Zionist sympathizing guest spew, is nothing but Propaganda
funny how your referencing the torah while attacking it's creators. not impressed buddy.
@@holemogaming8677 Oh, how utterly narcissistic to assume I was trying to impress you! My apologies for shattering your illusions, but your feelings? They're just not on my radar 😂😂
@@Junito24 bro thinks he's shakespeare
@@holemogaming8677 Why thank you, though I wish I could share the sentiment.
@@Junito24 get of your high horse. israelis were displaced from gaza, not the other way round. we have tried to compromise over and over again. and hamas has rejected every time
Douglass's self righteous indignation is hilarious
How do you forgive the murderer of your family?
Douglas Murray was a great addition to the show last night. Great perspective
Well... In Ukraine.. Winning means getting your internationally recognized property back. For Israel, winning seems to mean either killing an idea or vengeance. How else do we accept a casualty count of 10-1 in their favour. One thing if your smashing tanks at a rate of 10 of theirs to one of yours. Quite another when you're smashing people at that rate and most of them are non-combatant. It's just not as simple as Israel's apologists make it out to be. He IS right about who started this particular war.
Taking the side of the oppressor... that's all this is...
Douglas Murray is a fire thrower and Maher continues to fail miserably on the understanding of the conflict with each passing day.
Murray is a paid Zionist agent
Maher was always a Zionist Jew
No surprise
Yeah. They both seem like they have no idea what they’re talking about. but you do
@@joeybaruch941 Yes, I do. Peace Corps volunteer in Yemen. Masters in Middle East Studies. And Bill Maher?
Completely and willfully missing the point, Israel is not allowed to commit a genocide which they are actively trying to d o, they could evacuate the civilians but they choose not to
They do tho. This has been proven that Israel tells civilians in multiple ways to leave. Also, if they wanted to actually commit genocide , they could. They are trying to get Hamas who happens to hide amongst its people . Go look this stuff up, Israel isn't genociding and if they were, they would be terrible at it if judged by their present behavior
Evacuate to where? Until three seconds ago, Egypt controlled the border and let out hundreds every day. Why not thousands?
Why don't other Arab country's let them in good question no answer
They are not actively trying to do that. If they were then they could accomplish this is far greater numbers.
2 million Israeli citizens are Arabs. If Israel is trying to genocide Arabs then they are doing a terrible job of it.
@@harrypalmer7054 why is it the responsibility of neighbouring countries to accept the burden of refugees created by Israel? What country would ever think that's fair?
Does Bill Maher ever engage with competent people who disagree with his positions, or is he just that much of a coward?
Douglas is amazing, brave, intelligent and honest journalist and writer, i felt in love with him after his book strange death to Europe
Same. After that book there was no going back for me
I think there are multiple facets to this one-sided view of Israel, at least among a significant portion of the world:
First, there is the vast power differential. When one side of a conflict has an enormous military advantage -- regardless of who's right and wrong -- it's human nature to root for the 'underdog.'
Second, there is most definitely anti-Semitism involved, not only for racial reasons but for cultural and religious reasons as well (especially among Israel's predominantly Muslim neighbors).
Third, there are those among Progressives whose entire geopolitical outlooks are shaped by the likes of Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn. They reflexively oppose ANYONE who the United States government supports, ESPECIALLY if it's militarily.
Fourth, Hamas' "human shield" strategy has proven VERY effective. But intermingling and integrating themselves deeply among the Palestinian populace, they make civilian casualties inevitable, making any Israeli military response a public relations disaster.
spot on.
I find it hilarious that Israel supposedly has one of the most impressive militaries in the world but yet they still rely on the U.S. for financial and weapons support. If they don't need the U.S. to help defend themselves against Hamas (which they failed to do on October 7th), then why publicly denounce Biden's policy this week?
Good points - and I'd like to add a few more. Part of the problem is that for the past forty years, more and more institutions of higher education have been inseminating people who lean left into seeing the world through one lens only - the oppressed and the oppressor. They strip down the complexity of issues, they bleach out history and the bad things one side does so that a single-sided narrative can be presented. Second, both sides of the political spectrum in many "Western" countries, though there's now backlash in certain countries of Europe, many of which have seen an influx of migrants from Islamic countries, have strayed away from holding Western muslims accountable for the fact that many, not all, of the countries their parents or grandparents came from are oppressor states with no freedom, no rights, no tolerance. Which of course, only plays into the narrative that many left-leaning people are taught in college. I mean, even most Republican politicians in America won't talk openly about the oppressive nature of many, again not all, Islamic countries for fear of losing votes from moderates and center-left Democrats who might have absorbed some of that oppressor/oppressed narrative. Another part of the problem, and it add itself to the intertwined issues I just noted - is that the countries of the Middle East stopped ganging up and attacking Israel jointly. I think if Syria or Egypt or Lebanon had joined in after October 7th and it was a wider, regional conflict, you wouldn't see as much backlash against Israel. Oh, there would still be some, but if you look at press coverage and polling data from the wars from 47 to 73, there was way more support for Israel than today because they were the underdog. But each of its neighbors learned that Israel would and could defend itself so it's been over 40 years now since a major war between Israel and one of its neighbors. And...if you look....countries doing better today than 40 years ago in that region - Jordan, Egypt, and even the UAE (which I can't recall if they participated in any of the post WW2 conflicts) all focused on developing their economies as best as they could and trying to establish more moderate religious beliefs across the country where as places that played the victim card - Lebanon, Palestine, Yemen, etc. had their economies and then their governments collapse to the point where they are now failed states filled with religious zealots who's anger and resentment at being left behind by the world is pointed towards Israel and America by their religious leaders who use faith as a weapon and as a tool to stay in power.
I stopped reading your essay after your first point. It's not human nature to root for the underdog. Many don't because they root for winners. #2 - If the underdog is a terrorist using terrorist tactics most people don't root for cheats such as those deployed by Hamas. #3 Rooting interests are usually more biased than those with greater and more in-depth political understanding.
The main problem is that Israel is violently conquering other people’s land while violently displacing millions and millions of people. This is extremely bad, evil, dangerous behaviour. Its too late in history for this shit.
Strange that in the statement he made he correctly identified that people were celebrating when Ukraine was taking BACK IS TERRITORY, but not celebrating when Israel was TAKING PALESTINIAN TERRITORY.
Yes, Douglas, quite strange the discrepancy 🧐
Douglas sole claim to be smart is that he has an English accent.
This conflict will not end as long as the world supports one side or the other. Any movement for peace of reconciliation in the ME has been stifled. I do remember groups for peace in Israel but they were neven given much attention by the media and now we don’t know if they still exist.
they regularly snitch on the settlers (their fellow Jews) to FJB admin so the americans have someone to sanction
one red pilled peace activist is Einat Wilf, look up her
So anything before oct 7 doesn't count?
what a crock. he had to look down at the ground to his god after he delivered that garbage
It would be legitimate to call it war if Israel admitted Palestine as an independent state. Because war is a state of relationships between countries.
So far, Gaza is an unregulated enclave that they've been slowboiling and missed the pressure hike.
The war has been going on since at least the 1940s. It did not start on Oct 7.
Not a war, but an occupation.
Why is it that people suddenly become 4 years old when discussing complicated global issues like this? Maybe there was a time when one group truly held the moral high ground. But both sides have killed children. And they’ve been doing it for decades. Let’s leave “morality” out of this. Both sides will have you believe that are the victim while the other is the aggressor. But they are all of those things at all times. You have to ask yourself whether you want to deal with a state that commits war crimes and shows up to their trial or a state that just commits war crimes. That’s the options we’ve got if you stop infantilizing your favorite side and see things for what they are.
Israel showed up yes
But completely ignored the interim measures advocated by the ICJ..
Then proceeded to falsely accuse and vilify UN (of which ICJ is a part) and UNRWA
No- Israel is far far far worse than the “other” side
yes. european clonisers coming to ME and saying they are entitled to some land and then ethnically cleansing people.
Is Douglas Murray really saying what I think he is saying ? For context what Israel has always wanted was a State of its own , and to achieve this aim in years gone by they have forced Palestinians off their ancestral Homelands.
The Palestinians have lived and worked on their lands for thousands of years , you can see it in the buildings of the old cities of Israel , Why should they be forced to leave ?
The ever so nice phrase "Let Israel Win" really means getting rid of the Palestinians.
The Palestinians most certainly did not arrive to that land "thousands" of years ago. That is false. The Arabs ethnically cleansed Egypt of Egyptians, Syria of Syrians, Algeria of Algerians and are trying to ethnically cleanse the indigenous Jewish people off the land of Judea.
for thousands of years....dude you're wrong, that was the jews long before there were any "Arabs" or "Palestinians" which by the way was never meant to describe a "people". The oldest archeological sites are jewish, not Palestinian. So if this land is ancestral to anyone, than it is to the jews. The palestinans mostly weren't forced off "their" land by Israelis, nope Sir, that was by the arab states. They ordered and forced the people off these land so not to get into the crossfire. Ben Gurion and Golda Maier tried to convince them to stay and be a part of Israel, they wouldn't. Well, they lost and that was the price to pay, as every aggressor has to pay. The rest of the lands were bought from Jordanian landowners. So before you continue to spread the typical Hamas-lies, better get your information right
The Kingdom of Israel exited over 2000 years ago. Palestine is a Roman name, given by the emperor who conquered the kingdom of Israel.
The Jews are the original inhabitants of that area. Arabs spread across the land from the Arab peninsula to the south and they didn't do it peacefully.
@@TheFrododentronholy shit Batman, the delusion is strong with this one. JFC!
Putin ordered his forces to invade Ukraine.
The I/P conflict predated the Oct 7th attacks.
As for the 'Israel cannot win' narrative and the 'you cannot put out 80% of a fire', it's because you cannot use the military to defeat an ideology.
See the British experience in Northern Island. Or Kenya. Or Malaya.
But as a starting pointing there's Gaza which has been described as the world's largest open-air prison, and Israel have repeatedly allowed their settlers to 'abuse' and confiscate property from Palestinians on the West Bank.
So perhaps comparing a hot war against the Red Army, on Ukrainian soil, on the edge Europe with the I/P conflict is particularly jaw-dropping.
The largest open air prison with a Mercedes dealership and beachfront mansions.
the only "open air prison" where people crossed the border to Israel every day to work and recieve medical care in Israeli hospital.
why Egypt is barely being mentioned each time that this thing comes up I will never understand
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OK. And how is access gained to this 'territory'?
@ofrikalif4938
'Why is Egypt barely being mentioned...'
Why? What has Egypt got to do with this?
Or are you expecting Palestinians to be driven into Egypt?
And as for 'medical attention' that's laughable, with men, women and children undergoing traumatic amputations without anaesthesia.
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before the war started, Israel gave Gazan people jobs in Israel and allowed them in for medical treatment, alongside with providing the Gaza strip with water and electricity because their gov was busy on spending money on other things (rockets, tunnels etc).
then the war started and the rest is known.
Israel is allways being blamed for making Gaza "an open air prison". however no one is willing to talk about Egypt, which has a border with Gaza as well and as it looks like, the Egyptians are more terrified about Gaza and Hamas than Israel does because they know their mentality however nobody is accusing Egypt of making Gaza an air open prison despite having a border with Gaza, just like Israel has.
If you were in denial, everything will be confusing
It's 8 a.m. Saturday, 11th of May. The skies are dark with smoke from the fires that Hizballah ignited along the northern border of Israel with Lebanon. The Hizballah rockets have been incinerating the homes, villages and fields of the Upper Galilee. The smell of smoke is heavy, so I've closed all the windows; hope that helps. Tomorrow there may be rain, if we're lucky.
My home is a couple of hours away by car...I pray for the IDF soldiers who are giving their all to defend us. Keep them safe.
“There’s no honorable way to kill, no gentle way to destroy. There is nothing good in war. Except its ending.” Praying for Palestinians and Israelis.
Gaslight much
"Suffering" in a war zone, but watching RUclips videos? Lady, your war experience is not the same as those being murdered in Gaza today. It's funny that Bill's guests talk about the protestors pretending to be victims---um, victimhood is what drives israeli policy.
So sorry for what you are going through 😢
@@carlam1355I'm being fired at by IDF. They've already killed my whole family.
Do you feel sorry for me as well or just those similar to you?
There is a Chinese saying about the relationship between Israel and the US. 同床异梦。Sleeping together but each has different dream.Or the US has got the wrong sleeping partner.
That's a really good way of summarising my thoughts on the matter. Seems like Israel likes to pull on its leash from time to time.
There can be no honest discussion of this without considering Netanyahu's own political and legal position- he is only in power so long as he satisfies the far-right coalition that put him in power, and if the war ends, Netanyahu will be directly in court for the criminal prosecution that was already set to begin before the war started, for corruption. Stop talking about "Israel" and start talking about the specific people and policies driving the war- they want us to think Netanyahu speaks for Israel. He doesn't. Most Israelis want him gone....
That child is not hamas , that women is not hamas , yaya we know , you know that too , shameless , you all shameless🎉😂😂😂
You can win it’s just the way you do it that matters. Russia Ukraine comparison is a false equivalency. How many Russian children dead in that conflict
You just proved Douglas's point. You're talking about the number of deaths, which is an indication of who is winning or losing. In WWII, hundreds of thousands of German civilians were killed versus tens of thousands of English. Does that mean England was the bad guy? No, so well done for proving Murray's point.
@@levi5073 yeah, but 27 million soviet people died. Germany killed WAAAY more than germans were killed. This is different
@@user-og6fg2fp9v You're missing the overarching point: The number of casualties doesn't tell you who is RIGHT or WRONG.
Not quite right, my point being is that like it or not people care about the number of children that die in pursuit of your cause be it just or not so the Ukraine and Gaza is a poor comparison to base your argument on. if as many children had died in the Ukraine Russia as Gaza the (I hope) people would be condemming each conflict equally
Putin Russia is the same as Netanyahu Israel… no doubts in there, the facts, the history speaks for itself.
The question is : Why they are treated differently… that’s the only question
It's because most of the powerful elites who ruled usa are Jewish.
Repeating that lie doesn't make it true. Israel is defending its homeland, same as Ukraine. Seethe, liar.
Idiotic
It's definitely not the same. In Israel, you won't get a 12 years prison sentence for disagreeing with the war. Russia has become a totalitarian state in the trueist sense of the word. Israel is leading a brutal war and committing war crimes but its citizens are quite free people. Many of them protest Netanjahu's warfare and corruption.
@@gaulishrealist This comparizon is poor too. Ukraine ONLY defends its territory. They don't bomb Russian cities, they don't force millions of Russians to move otherwise they would be bombed, they don't block food and medicaments etc.
whole episode is hbo only?
It'll rebroadcast on CNN Saturday evening.
We are helping Ukraine because they are fighting against occupation...
This was painful to watch Three Israeli behind kissers. Hamas is not an army with soldiers You're not in a war with another side You are just killing women and children Benjamin netanyahu said that's what he wanted to do he supported Hamas for the last 10 years just for this reason
If Hamas isn’t an army, how did they manage to slaughter 1600 innocent Jews last year? If the Palestinians don’t want to get murdered, they shouldn’t vote for terrorist leaders.
Facts.
Ham-ass had majoritian support and civilians who even worked, were friends with Israeli took part in the massacre...
So here is the condition that would stop Ham-ass, just ask to fight like men and not hide behind women and children,
Can't handle actual truth apparently. Doesn't fit your fabricated narrative so maybe throw a tantrum and try to stop traffic, see if that works. Won't change the facts but maybe your need to be heard will help you cope.
Read the Guardian! Avoid US (Israeli) media at all costs!
No lies were told.
But you know what the truly amazing thing about this clip was? That the >audience< applauded when Murray defended Israel. So it's not just Maher who has suddenly had the (blue) veil lifted from his eyes but also his audience.
What are you talking about? Maher has been an Islamophobe for years!
The two guests have somewhat different political views but are in total agreement about the naive, easily led college students and their non student handlers. “ If I yell loud enough, my pathetic, participation trophy life will have meaning.”
Big mistake making Shorts of major issues. I get it: perputal media warfare, money, clicks etc. We’re trapped..but at least make an effort!!
I understand there are a lot of atheists in this world.But there are also people who know the truth.And this stuff goes all the way back before we even heard of this stuff is historical and biblical.There's a supernatural reason why this is happening, And for anybody who doesn't like what I just said.I really don't care and I support israel all the way❤