All this talk about Axel F By Crazy Frog, and no mention of the uncensored version with Crazy Frog hanging his Crazy Sclong.... 2009 RUclips was a different time.
@@SkyLake86too bad that Samsung, Google and Microsoft has more antitrust laws violations esp Samsung opening the device remotely and opening your messages...damn
Ellis: "I would argue if you're the CEO of a trillion dollar company you lose your joking privileges" is one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard on youtube. Great episode! So much thoughtful back and forth. Love it.
@@dystasiawhen you have that much power/influence whatever you say has lots of potential (both good and bad). You could say something and destroy the stock market completely, or you could incentivize about global climate change (good). Think of it as the president of a superpower country making jokes about invading. You can’t. You shouldn’t. (That’s why we need no clowns in our politics cough cough) Is not about joking like nock nock jokes, is about being careful of what you say. Very careful
@@bigdata_ibm Thank you for your point of view, but I sincerely disagree. What you are describing in my view is a critical thinking deficiency of the listeners. Context matters whether it is a joke or not. Reading and interpreting anything without context is an education problem. Obviously yes conscientiousness of leaders matters, but blocking or preventing leaders for saying what they really mean in a sort of nobles oblige as commented by Ellis is only asking for two things: 1. Censorship and 2. Dishonesty and Deceit. Which is exactly what's happening today with most politicians. People smell the BS from a big distance. So no. I prefer integrity over those two. I prefer understanding that these people in power are humans and make mistakes and shouldn't be taken for granted all the time than not knowing if anything that these people say is truthful. If a person cannot exercise critical thinking in understanding the context and situations in which something was said, that is a problem of the listener.
@@dystasia but until they fix the education system, like you said, they should be careful. I understand you’re “ critical enough “ trust me the dumbest person out there is twice as dumb as you think they are and some of them may become bunch of them and then we have a problem.
52:45 The lawsuit complains about Apple blocking new (US America based) Superapps from the Appstore, which some companies developing such apps showed. Wechat being on the Appstore is not contradictory to this. In my opinion its more of a symptom of how hard Apple is trying to secure the Chinese market.
I know it makes for longer episodes and sometimes there’s time constraints and such but usually my favorite podcast episodes are the ones where they’re just unhinged and we get to hear peoples rabbit holes
Where I live (Victoria, Australia) , you can only tap to pay for public transport with Android phones, not iPhone, because the government on principle refuses to give a cut of the fees to Apple
I think the segment of confusion about FSD and Autopilot is EXACTLY the reason they are now starting to promote it more ... people are just not aware / confused about what it can do and how good it currently can be!
Didn’t @MKBHD own a Model S Plaid for a few years? How is he so confused about what autopilot is and how it’s included for free with every Tesla??? This conversation was sort of a disservice…
About the NFC chip thing, I have no idea how that works in US, but here in India, we have multiple fintech Start ups competing against each other, which leads to a good rewards system. I did not know that I cannot use a NFC card thing on an iPhone, without using Apple Pay, because you actually want a specific app to use your card from so you get rewards that cater to your requirements.
For the complaint regarding apple not letting other smart watches do some basic things - Marques - how would you feel if windows only had edge browser and if you wanted chrome, you could only use it for 10 minutes at a time? Or could not login to google?
From what I understand, the complaint regarding "super apps" is that Apple's practices hurt the potential development of new super apps in the US, not that App Store rules are preventing users from paying their phone bills in China via the WeChat app. In fact, I think all of the DoJ's points relate to Apple's practices stifling growth and innovation, not just that they want to protect their walled garden. In that sense, the emails may sound juicy, but the question is whether Apple's desire and efforts to keep its users, a common sense move by any company, is actually hindering potential advancements.
I now want a David Imel vs. Crazy Frog - Axel F. mashup as my ringtone 😂 Also the cursor move over "Translate into English" on the lyrics clip made me laugh, thanks for that one!
It would be really awesome if David did a deep dive on transformers architecture, AI, what AI actually is buzzwords aside, machine learning, neural networking, why all the AGI and AI fearmongering is 99.99% clickbait nonsense, and why society has been reliant on "AI" for very large parts of their lives for a couple decades now. C'mon David, this is right up your alley!
Man, I can't wait for my year-end RUclips watch time stats. I literally finished the entire episode while enjoying my break, and every section is very interesting to watch. I didn't even notice that it is a 2-hour episode. Best tech podcast ever!
I did a competition dance to crazy frog a while ago. my dance friends and I called ourselves the frog squad, and we would NOT stop talking about how much we loved it. my favorite lyrics are for sure " Baa aramba baa bom baa barooumba"
Just want to add that I think it's actually on garmin for lacking individual notifications. I have a coros watch and can customize (not all apps but all communication apps) which notifications I receive on my iphone.
Thanks Ellis for the Autopilot hierarchy breakdown, seems Marques has had it confused for a little while. By the way, as someone with FSD Beta 12.0, it’s very impressive but definitely not all the way there yet, I think the guys should do a revisit to the state of FSD in a future video
I believe the notification issues is a garmin issue. I use an amazfit fitness band and within the app, I can control individual notifications (per app) sent to to watch. I currently use a iPhone 13
There is a difference between the apple watch not working with Android and the android watch not working with apple because Apple is the main culprit in each. In both scenarios, it is Apple limiting what can happen. They limit what a third party watch can do on their own platform, which means there's no incentive to making a non apple watch compatible on iPhone. And they decide not to have apple watch work on android. An apple watch could still be a legitimate smart watch on android (while obviously still be better on apple devices), but it is not possible for Android watch to be a legitimate smartwatch on iOS.
@@hugoedelarosa what makes makes android watches like, for example, the galaxy watch, pixel watch 2, or OnePlus watch 2 so much worse than Apple watch in your opinion? My experience isn't the same
I love this podcast. But I would love it that everyone avoid interrupting each other. I wanna hear what the first speaker said and I go 🥹 when someone talks over them.
I do also love the podcast. But I don’t think if the over talking to each other is a big problem but it is kinda of annoying. But even in real life people talk over each other all the time and it’s alright so
I’m always fascinated by the argument that teens by and large want iPhones for the green vs blue bubble argument. I worked in high schools for 6.5 years- in the Bay Area, and now in middle school for the past 2.5 years in SoCal and I’d say students were evenly split on Android or Apple phones, with maybe a few more android users if anything. And they didn’t care about bubbles because none of them text that way. They all use apps whether it be snap, IG, fb messenger, or now mostly discord to message. So I have to wonder when the data was collected bc if anything, I think teens now are walled into one or the other moreso because that’s what their parents use and then buy them and their parents use the default messaging options more than anything…
The main reason the Pixel Watch doesn't work with iPhone stems from Apple limiting other smartwatches in what they can and can't access when connected to an iPhone. The Galaxy Watches used to have an app in the Galaxy Watch 3 days but they stopped with WearOS.
For smartwatches, why does my Garmin work better on Android? What does Apple restrict what I can do with my Garmin on an iPhone? Why can’t I use my AWU with my iPad? Etc…. And all valid.
You’d be surprised how many people just don’t know about it. I’m in my early 30s and had no idea until my younger brother showed me it was a thing. Now my whole family uses it. If there was some kind of mass public service announcement, I think the odds are very good it would take off here too.
@@tronortron dude lemme tell ya sum. if someone judges you based off YOUR PHONE then they arent a good person and their opinion should be immediately invalidated. dont listen to ppl that arent worth listening to. as one who owns ios and android i keep my s24u as my main happily.
To Adam's point : You used to be able to just set a build.prop setting in LineageOS supported phones that made them "Pixels" and got all the blocked features, including AI ones (Magic eraser on my PH-1 for example). I miss unlimited photo backups lol.
I had FSD on my first tesla. When I got my second, after owning it for a couple weeks, I missed the auto lane change so much I added Enhanced auto pilot for 6K. It's a lot of money but like a phone feature you're hooked on, It's hard to loose it. I have no regrets. Also FSD goes down to $99 a month if I ever want it.
How often are you changing lanes such that you were willing to pay 6 grand on a computer to do it for you? Say you do it once or twice each way on your commute to work. That's three times a day to twist your head and turn the steering wheel. You have weird priorities, man.
I live in Los Angeles and there are not just two lane roads everywhere. I also enjoy long road trips where it automatically gets you into the correct lane when approaching complex interchanges like in Portland or Seattle. I don't have a commute and the money is not an issue. @@cmmartti
This whole federating thing is all very exciting. Was never really interested in mastodon or threads but if this works out in the future I will totally take it over twitter any day.
31:18 Just a quick observation. I have been heavily using Gemini App on my Note 20 Ultra since launch and over time I have seen all the features I use from Assistant slowly come to Gemini. It sets reminders, add stuff to my keep, controls all my home devices.... In fact from this week I can also control home devices via Gemini from lock screen as well. I have completely replaced assistent with gemini. In my experience assistant is completely integrated with Gemini. I am using regular Gemini. Great podcast guys. I love em👌
Sorry but I need to make a correction and point out a mistake. In Canada when I used Fitbit a year ago you could change notifications. I went and checked with my mom’s since she still uses Fitbit and you can customize notifications.
Love how they paint the “real “ reasons as just whatever negative opinion they have of apple, not saying they’re wrong but clarifying that it’s just the reason you think not the real reason,
Every week on Friday i would wait for 2PM IST for these but i switched to RUclips Premium and I'm listening on RUclips Music now and I'm now listening to these 5 hours late 🥰
I think the Garmin discussion around 1:05:00 is Garmin's decision and not Apple's policy. I have used a Mi Band for years with different band versions and phone OSs. Both on Android and iOS I can select individual apps that I want to receive notifications from.
They’re spot on that it’s not so much apple having extra features with the Apple Watch and iOS, but more so that they actively sabotage their devices to work with android. Apple shouldn’t have to port over special features to be compatible with android but they should definitely not be sabotaging their devices from being used in coordination with other devices. Like imagine they did that with iTunes and connecting your iPhone to your PC and it was so glitchy your music only transferred over half of the time
@@Artofcarissa Yes, Apple prevents other smart watches from having the same features as the Apple watch and that should absolutely change. I however asked how Apple sabotages the Apple Watch when it comes to Android. Apple is preventing competition on their platform but not adding android support for the Apple Watch is not the same thing at all. The Apple Watch isn't an essential device nor is it the only smart watch, they are not required to provide Android support for it. How does not adding support for Android = sabotage?
The same reason Apple bans "super apps" like WeChat is the same reason you can't get ad-block on iOS Firefox. U-block origin is run by being downloaded and executed by Firefox, Apple considers that as downloading and running non reviewed apps/code, which is what DOJ is suing about. I hope they win.
being able to have an iPad for drawing, a Garmin watch for my smart watch and the newest pixel for my phone with probably air pods as the headphones without any ecosystem issues/limits out of the box would be so nice
I agree with Adam. Don't use features that you will miss if you change the device or it'll cost you monthly. For the same reason, I use Nova launcher so on all devices I just import settings and it's the same in any phone.
What the past couple of weeks has shown is the vast majority of people dont understand what anti-competitive behavior means. Just switch the word Apple with Microsoft and see how quickly people's views change on the subject.
Microsoft had 93% of the market in computers in 1998. Apple has 20% of the phone market in 2023. In US monopoly law that difference is crucial. Microsoft was a true monopoly that used their power to put other companies out of business like Netscape. Apple is not a monopoly and publish rules for their App Store that applies to millions of developers.
People also don’t understand the meaning of the word monopoly. Monopoly doesn’t mean majority of market share. It means having exclusive control over a market or commodity. Apple has no control over either of those, so the basis of the lawsuit is off. Even market share doesn’t mean anything, since that doesn’t count the amount of people who actually own devices, only the devices shipped or available in stores. There are more android devices being used in the US than iOS. If the US wants to sue Apple for anti-competitive behavior, do that. But antitrust suit is just overreach.
@@ChanningChea please cite where the number of android devices are higher than iOS in the US. iOS has been 60% in the US for a while now and that number goes up when you start accounting for younger age groups
(Android user) Funny experience, went to the Apple store to try the vision pro. Made me do a face assessment to see what's the best fit. At the end of the demo, to save my customization details for the fit, needed an IPhone!!! That's how much they force you to be a part of their eco system.
1:21:00 The people in the garden already aren't the only ones that matter. Every year, new people get their first piece of technology. Changing what options are available to them will over time change the percentage of people trapped in the garden. some will leave, others will use apps and products from a diverse set of companies that together suit their needs best. The allowance to let people enter and exit as They choose Will make a difference in time.
I think there’s a difference between Microsoft writing code to sabotage QuickTime and making products that work within your ecosystem better than others. You have the choice to use third party products, you are choosing to not use those extra features. This whole thing could be said if you want to go from a PC to a Mac, you have to buy new software. And not all software is made for the Mac. It’s called choose your camp and go with it. You can’t use Xbox controllers with a PS5. You can’t use PSVR on Xbox. I’m tired of the Google/Apple ecosystem argument. If I buy a Dyson, I can’t buy Shark products and make them work with a Dyson.
Re: Apple Suit. I found it funny that as the conversation went on, talking how Apple’s dominance is holding back competition, the examples used for the suffering side are GIANT companies themselves that have industry dominance of their own. Poor WeChat. Poor Epic. Poor Google. Poor Garmin. Poor Banks.
Cynical answer: yo, that's the only reason our corrupt capitalist government is stepping in. The "Justice" dept. is 100% working as intended. '00s answer: The fact that these HUGE companies can't compete illustrates the problem. How could a relatively smaller market player possibly emerge with a new market space on this platform [because iPhone has so much dominance, it is not a product, or a device, it should be regulated like a platform to build on, see EU regulation] if even these huge companies can't make a deal to get in on the action? Apple isn't even letting corruption open their strangle hold or else they would have let Google get Wear OS watches working decently on iOS while quietly paying apple like a $1billion, like they do with Safari search. But nope! Apple is committed to crushing any other player in the American cell phone/personal electronics market. If Apple were less anti-competitive we might see innovation that benefits the consumer/voter. Especially since we have emails from Apple execs talking about how they don't need to innovate anymore. It's really obvious that there's a good chance Apple's monopoly is slowing innovation and therefore might be hurting consumers by charging the same amount [or more] for new phones that are deliberately not advancing as quickly year over year as they could be.
@@MusicFillsTheQuiet For the record, I am 100% agnostic in this argument. My customer experience as an Apple user has been extraordinary and they have earned my loyalty. I am also a business owner who gets squeamish when I think that somehow the more successful I am, the more at risk I am of having to work with my competition or the upstarts who are nipping at my heals. But I also know damned-well that I am trapped with Apple; I can’t even imagine how much work it would be to switch away from them now. Having said that, I guess the challenging part of the argument about 'stifling innovation' is that none of the examples anyone is using are actually ‘innovation’. Garmen would be innovating if they made a watch of that caliber that didn’t need to sync with a phone. They made a watch like all the others (that has a few novel features) but requires the heavy-lifting of a secondary device to actually do the computing and communicating. A device they’ve never even bothered to make. That’s not innovative. A bank wants to make a ‘version’ of the AppleWallet to do exactly what the AppleWallet does. The future of that is what we now face with parking apps or streaming apps; no innovation, just too many companies doing the exact same thing to the consumer’s detriment. Samsung isn’t innovating by making phones that are iPhone clones. Google isn’t innovating any more than Apple is with minor feature upgrades to their operating systems. WeChat did something innovative. Absolutely. I don’t know enough about WeChat, nor what its iOS limitations are, to comment, but security aside, I can understand why Apple might be concerned about its devices becoming nothing more than a pile of glass and silicone that powers someone else’s market monopolization. I understand wholly that there might be a ton of ‘innovation’ that isn’t happening because of these limitations (and we can’t name them because they don't yet exist). So I’d love to hear from developers who have wild ideas that just aren’t possible under this paradigm. I’d love to see what I’m missing. But as it stands right now, I just see headaches and higher costs in a future where other big companies have whittled away at the nice safe simple walled garden I get to lie in. I'm happy here! Show me what I'm missing. Show me real compelling innovation. If I have to wait unit DOJ wins the suite to see what happens, cool. But I'd love for there to be THAT kind of discussion, not what sound like Epic talking points.
I enjoyed listening to this podcast on my iPhone, through my non-apple earbuds, and using my Garmin watch for media controls. I'm not the typical iphone owner 🙃
ngl that garmin example hit the nail on the coffin. The apple watch offers the ability to silence notifications from certain distracting apps. This is available within the watch app and not on global iOS settings. Since Garmin doesn't have access to settings of the watch app, it cannot perform the same operations. Apple however lets other apps access and write to health. So incase you use garmin connect or strava for activity tracking, it can read/write data to Health and hence if you decided to move away from apple tmrw, you can easily do that. Downloading music to apple watch was another example. Apple used to not allow Spotify to do that and now they do. So intentionally obscuring the experience of other third party competing apps definitely needs to be a cause of concern if and only if you qualify as a "platform" which Apple is.
Adam and Andrew: As a Garmin watch & iPhone user agreed that it drives me INSANE that Focus Modes/Individual App notifications cannot be updated to match the phone’s settings. Pls let us at least get that fixed
That Nfc thing is particularly annoying if you’re living in a country where apple pay isn’t supported like where I live. I used to have an android phone and I used to have an option of using google pay or 3 - 4 other wallet apps which supported that feature. I was actually surprised when I found it all those other wallet apps don’t offer the feature on ios just because apple is too stubborn to allow other apps to use nfc.
The thing about apples garden is that it's a wall garden. If it were an open ecosystem like Samsung or even OnePlus granted they're not great ecosystems but if it were just a little bit more open then they wouldn't have this lawsuit
I have experienced many systems that are a lot better than FSD at a lower price… Mercedes version in Europe and NIO’s alternative. The American version of autopilot may be better but the European version is just sad and way too expensive…
@@Kurre.I’m referring to V12 FSD, not autopilot. To my knowledge, Tesla does not offer FSD in Europe due to regulations. I’ve had FSD beta since 2021 and it’s always changing.
I just read an NFT bro post a similar write-up demanding an apology from the company making the NFT Apes that were popular and he also said something like the ape touched me deeply and I was the ape etc :D
In my opinion, the most overlooked aspect of the Apple lawsuit is how their anti-competitive measures likely stifle innovation. Consider this: if other wallet app developers or banks could create their own NFC-enabled wallets, wouldn't the cost of goods and services purchased on iPhones be affected? Currently debit and credit card fees are high, and these costs are passed on to consumers. Imagine if Mastercard, American Express, or Visa had their own wallets. These companies would likely compete on cost and features, eliminating double charging. Interestingly, the South African government is testing a free, no-transaction-fee payment protocol. However, this wouldn't work if Apple insists on taking a cut from every transaction. As a seller, this cost would inevitably be passed on to the consumer. This logic could apply to many other issues raised in the lawsuit.
Apple's malicious compliance in the EU is particularly annoying. They smugly act as if our laws are some sort of starting point of negotiations. They are not, they should respect our autonomy to create rules for competijtion in our own territory.
I think the real juiciest part of the DOJ suit will be when Apple’s lawyers ask the DOJ legal team what phones they use personally. And watching them all admit that they used iPhones and Mac’s in preparation for the trial.
I'm a little surprised how hard Marques is still riding for Twitter. Most of the other tech journalists I care about following have dipped. Also it just sucks to use now.
The Apple Watch shouldn’t work with an Android phone because it’s an iPhone accessory. That’s like complaining that the Nintendo Switch Joycons don’t work with the PS5.
WRONG. Tesla was forced to share charging networks bcuz it doesnt make sense to build new charging networks for other car companies... Apple was forced by EU to switch to USBC charger. you cant just lock all your devices to only work in your network, it crosses the line of anti-consumer laws. Government has to step in.
Joycons do work with PS5... Bluetooth has connection standards that can be accomplished with hardware. I hate my iPhone, but I love my Apple Watch, iPad, Macbook... I do not have the freedom to switch with heavily truncating the devices I own. They artificially make it difficult to accomplish regular Bluetooth standards, which they could with the flip of a switch. They are just worried of everyone like me who recognize how far the iPhone is behind in global standards, and will switch in a second. Also opening this up will force apple to be competitive, making the iPhone better for all consumers, and make them inovate vs the entire market and not just vs last year's model. The only thing this does is removes the suppriority factor of having an expensive phone.
@@LaraMauk You can also connect an Apple Watch to an android phone and just like an Apple Watch connected to an android phone, Joycons connected to a windows computer it has limited features. You can’t update the Joycon firmware on anything but a Switch, and you can’t connect them as a single controller without third party software. Nintendo didn’t provide driver support for the Joycons, Microsoft did that.
Using a monopolistic power in the smart phone market, to make other smart watch experiences worse in iPhone when compare to Apple Watch… that is abusing market position… Apple fan boy will say that apple device works better together because it is all part of the apple ecosystem system… and gov can’t stop company from how they want their eco system to work because they build that eco system… but what people need to realize is that just because apple add / build something to their “eco” system doesn’t mean they own all the market segment that their eco system covers. Just because apple build a smartphone and iOS, doesn’t mean they can use their power with the phone and iOS and limits other company entrance in other market (like web browser engine, smartwatch, messaging / sms, payment, etc), if they do that then they are abusing their power in one market to give themselves advantage in another market… and this is exactly what apple is doing.
my favourite crazy frog lyric is 'dum dum dumda dum dum dum' - i think theres a lotta depth to this one
Don’t do it. I don’t like change
real
All this talk about Axel F By Crazy Frog, and no mention of the uncensored version with Crazy Frog hanging his Crazy Sclong....
2009 RUclips was a different time.
100% agree. the lyricism is truly impeccable, unreplicable even!
YES YES YES YES YES PLEASE!!
I've been saying that for *months!!!*
The best waveform podcasts are when it goes off the rails.
apple during WWDC:
saying "AI" ❌❌,
saying "Absolutely Incredible" ✅✅.
apple during the court hearing:
obeying antitrust laws ❌❌,
breaking the law ✅✅.
I could picture Tim saying something like that 😅
Very apple
@@SkyLake86too bad that Samsung, Google and Microsoft has more antitrust laws violations esp Samsung opening the device remotely and opening your messages...damn
@@PSy84 I don't remember saying they don't. They've all had cases presented against them, and now it's time for apple…
Ellis: "I would argue if you're the CEO of a trillion dollar company you lose your joking privileges" is one of the greatest quotes I've ever heard on youtube. Great episode! So much thoughtful back and forth. Love it.
Why?
Why?
@@dystasiawhen you have that much power/influence whatever you say has lots of potential (both good and bad). You could say something and destroy the stock market completely, or you could incentivize about global climate change (good).
Think of it as the president of a superpower country making jokes about invading. You can’t. You shouldn’t. (That’s why we need no clowns in our politics cough cough)
Is not about joking like nock nock jokes, is about being careful of what you say. Very careful
@@bigdata_ibm Thank you for your point of view, but I sincerely disagree. What you are describing in my view is a critical thinking deficiency of the listeners. Context matters whether it is a joke or not. Reading and interpreting anything without context is an education problem. Obviously yes conscientiousness of leaders matters, but blocking or preventing leaders for saying what they really mean in a sort of nobles oblige as commented by Ellis is only asking for two things: 1. Censorship and 2. Dishonesty and Deceit. Which is exactly what's happening today with most politicians. People smell the BS from a big distance. So no. I prefer integrity over those two. I prefer understanding that these people in power are humans and make mistakes and shouldn't be taken for granted all the time than not knowing if anything that these people say is truthful. If a person cannot exercise critical thinking in understanding the context and situations in which something was said, that is a problem of the listener.
@@dystasia but until they fix the education system, like you said, they should be careful. I understand you’re “ critical enough “ trust me the dumbest person out there is twice as dumb as you think they are and some of them may become bunch of them and then we have a problem.
Honestly, "ring ding ding ding baa baa" hits way different
Guys I really like you, but you have to watch both Dune movies. It's the best thing that happened to the genre in years.
Agree
For God's sake can we two separate mics for Adam and Ellis! Please and Thank you.
The problem is that the RØDECaster Pro they use only has 4 mic inputs.
NO! :(
All for this an if the Rodecaster is the issue, well time for an upgrade then.
I like that they have to share
I think the current dynamic is nice, doesnt seem like a huge problem even tho they’re both super important
It's Waveform then.. it's Saturday, Sunday, what 🙌🏾
3 day weekend.
My daughter's off school today so I'm also off..... So it actually is a 3 day weekend
Norrissss!
52:45 The lawsuit complains about Apple blocking new (US America based) Superapps from the Appstore, which some companies developing such apps showed. Wechat being on the Appstore is not contradictory to this. In my opinion its more of a symptom of how hard Apple is trying to secure the Chinese market.
It actually proves the contrary. When they have to compete they allow it. When they are in the lead they block.
David got that Valley Girl voice when his pitch goes up at the end of his sentences 😂
Makes me want him more, so cute.
@@HeyThatWeirdGuywhoa calm down
@@peterlumwanga428 I can't David just gets me going
Name checks out
A podcast for betas by betas
I really appreciate Marques' ability to say "this sounds stupid" without actually saying it lol
the crazy frog bit near the end of this is an all time waveform highlight
I know it makes for longer episodes and sometimes there’s time constraints and such but usually my favorite podcast episodes are the ones where they’re just unhinged and we get to hear peoples rabbit holes
Where I live (Victoria, Australia) , you can only tap to pay for public transport with Android phones, not iPhone, because the government on principle refuses to give a cut of the fees to Apple
Russia?
Where?
WTF? That isn’t how Apple Pay works. Bulls**t.
Where?
@@iseptimusapple charges businesses a small fee
Yes! A video explaining the wall garden would be killer! I would share that like crazy.
“I got up to an A plus” had me rolling 🤣🤣
Time?
@@peterlumwanga428just watch the whole thing. They said it during the EV section.
I think the segment of confusion about FSD and Autopilot is EXACTLY the reason they are now starting to promote it more ... people are just not aware / confused about what it can do and how good it currently can be!
Exactly!
Didn’t @MKBHD own a Model S Plaid for a few years? How is he so confused about what autopilot is and how it’s included for free with every Tesla???
This conversation was sort of a disservice…
I love how Marqez favoured with apple's pov about taking some features away from other watches but when he heard from Andrew, he understood
About the NFC chip thing, I have no idea how that works in US, but here in India, we have multiple fintech Start ups competing against each other, which leads to a good rewards system. I did not know that I cannot use a NFC card thing on an iPhone, without using Apple Pay, because you actually want a specific app to use your card from so you get rewards that cater to your requirements.
The Apple watch notification restriction is a Garmin choice. I just got an Amazfit (with an iPhone) that lets you choose which apps to allow them.
I was about to post a similar comment about my fitbit lol
I guess I'd have to go with the 15th "dum dum dum" as my favorite lyric, I hope you're happy Marques.
For the complaint regarding apple not letting other smart watches do some basic things -
Marques - how would you feel if windows only had edge browser and if you wanted chrome, you could only use it for 10 minutes at a time? Or could not login to google?
From what I understand, the complaint regarding "super apps" is that Apple's practices hurt the potential development of new super apps in the US, not that App Store rules are preventing users from paying their phone bills in China via the WeChat app. In fact, I think all of the DoJ's points relate to Apple's practices stifling growth and innovation, not just that they want to protect their walled garden. In that sense, the emails may sound juicy, but the question is whether Apple's desire and efforts to keep its users, a common sense move by any company, is actually hindering potential advancements.
I now want a David Imel vs. Crazy Frog - Axel F. mashup as my ringtone 😂
Also the cursor move over "Translate into English" on the lyrics clip made me laugh, thanks for that one!
The great thing about Standards is there are so many to choose from.
*Cue the relevant xkcd comic*
It would be really awesome if David did a deep dive on transformers architecture, AI, what AI actually is buzzwords aside, machine learning, neural networking, why all the AGI and AI fearmongering is 99.99% clickbait nonsense, and why society has been reliant on "AI" for very large parts of their lives for a couple decades now. C'mon David, this is right up your alley!
Man, I can't wait for my year-end RUclips watch time stats. I literally finished the entire episode while enjoying my break, and every section is very interesting to watch. I didn't even notice that it is a 2-hour episode.
Best tech podcast ever!
1:07:31 I'm surprised that Marques didn't catch some of the points but Adam and David did see through some of the stuff Apple does.
I swear the funniest little nuggets of the show are always the off hand/screen comments from Ellis, time and time again
I did a competition dance to crazy frog a while ago. my dance friends and I called ourselves the frog squad, and we would NOT stop talking about how much we loved it.
my favorite lyrics are for sure " Baa aramba baa bom baa barooumba"
Just want to add that I think it's actually on garmin for lacking individual notifications. I have a coros watch and can customize (not all apps but all communication apps) which notifications I receive on my iphone.
Thanks Ellis for the Autopilot hierarchy breakdown, seems Marques has had it confused for a little while. By the way, as someone with FSD Beta 12.0, it’s very impressive but definitely not all the way there yet, I think the guys should do a revisit to the state of FSD in a future video
Nothing says “walled garden” like a jail cell 😳
I believe the notification issues is a garmin issue. I use an amazfit fitness band and within the app, I can control individual notifications (per app) sent to to watch. I currently use a iPhone 13
There is a difference between the apple watch not working with Android and the android watch not working with apple because Apple is the main culprit in each.
In both scenarios, it is Apple limiting what can happen. They limit what a third party watch can do on their own platform, which means there's no incentive to making a non apple watch compatible on iPhone. And they decide not to have apple watch work on android. An apple watch could still be a legitimate smart watch on android (while obviously still be better on apple devices), but it is not possible for Android watch to be a legitimate smartwatch on iOS.
Buy the Android platform and call it good?
@@Guwapo77yeah and buy world next and ruin it.i might have to switch to a dumb phone if I am ever forced into using apple
Android watches work with iPhones. Not that anyone would want to use an Android watch. They suck.
@@hugoedelarosa what makes makes android watches like, for example, the galaxy watch, pixel watch 2, or OnePlus watch 2 so much worse than Apple watch in your opinion? My experience isn't the same
@@hugoedelarosa yeah and just casually they will ask you to pay apple tax all your life and willing to be fooled by them and parented by them
My favorite Crazy Frog lyric probably has to be
"Ding, ding
Da, da
Ring ding"
My favorite crazy frog lyric is the “br-break it “ part 😂
"Bem Bem" was always the best part
1:05:54 that's Garmin problem! I have a Fossil watch and the Fossil app allows me to turn off notifications of each app
I love this podcast.
But I would love it that everyone avoid interrupting each other. I wanna hear what the first speaker said and I go 🥹 when someone talks over them.
I do also love the podcast. But I don’t think if the over talking to each other is a big problem but it is kinda of annoying. But even in real life people talk over each other all the time and it’s alright so
You just kinda gotta start ignoring it
I’m always fascinated by the argument that teens by and large want iPhones for the green vs blue bubble argument. I worked in high schools for 6.5 years- in the Bay Area, and now in middle school for the past 2.5 years in SoCal and I’d say students were evenly split on Android or Apple phones, with maybe a few more android users if anything. And they didn’t care about bubbles because none of them text that way. They all use apps whether it be snap, IG, fb messenger, or now mostly discord to message. So I have to wonder when the data was collected bc if anything, I think teens now are walled into one or the other moreso because that’s what their parents use and then buy them and their parents use the default messaging options more than anything…
The main reason the Pixel Watch doesn't work with iPhone stems from Apple limiting other smartwatches in what they can and can't access when connected to an iPhone. The Galaxy Watches used to have an app in the Galaxy Watch 3 days but they stopped with WearOS.
For smartwatches, why does my Garmin work better on Android? What does Apple restrict what I can do with my Garmin on an iPhone? Why can’t I use my AWU with my iPad? Etc…. And all valid.
Even more egregious is I can’t update the firmware on my airpods because I don’t own any other Apple products 😂
I'm a South American and I cant wrap my head around why North Americans just dont use WhatsApp
Well USA is in a universe on their own.. so😅
You’d be surprised how many people just don’t know about it. I’m in my early 30s and had no idea until my younger brother showed me it was a thing. Now my whole family uses it. If there was some kind of mass public service announcement, I think the odds are very good it would take off here too.
Because we don’t need it lol. We can just use regular iMessage we don’t get charged for it 😂 why use a third party app if not necessary
Cuz it literally solves the green blue bubble bullshit??@@arcstar000
@@tronortron dude lemme tell ya sum. if someone judges you based off YOUR PHONE then they arent a good person and their opinion should be immediately invalidated. dont listen to ppl that arent worth listening to. as one who owns ios and android i keep my s24u as my main happily.
To Adam's point : You used to be able to just set a build.prop setting in LineageOS supported phones that made them "Pixels" and got all the blocked features, including AI ones (Magic eraser on my PH-1 for example). I miss unlimited photo backups lol.
I had FSD on my first tesla. When I got my second, after owning it for a couple weeks, I missed the auto lane change so much I added Enhanced auto pilot for 6K. It's a lot of money but like a phone feature you're hooked on, It's hard to loose it. I have no regrets. Also FSD goes down to $99 a month if I ever want it.
How often are you changing lanes such that you were willing to pay 6 grand on a computer to do it for you? Say you do it once or twice each way on your commute to work. That's three times a day to twist your head and turn the steering wheel. You have weird priorities, man.
I live in Los Angeles and there are not just two lane roads everywhere. I also enjoy long road trips where it automatically gets you into the correct lane when approaching complex interchanges like in Portland or Seattle. I don't have a commute and the money is not an issue. @@cmmartti
1:05:22 Actually it might be Garmin. Because in Fossil iOS app, there is an option to enable or disable notifications per app.
This whole federating thing is all very exciting. Was never really interested in mastodon or threads but if this works out in the future I will totally take it over twitter any day.
31:18 Just a quick observation. I have been heavily using Gemini App on my Note 20 Ultra since launch and over time I have seen all the features I use from Assistant slowly come to Gemini. It sets reminders, add stuff to my keep, controls all my home devices.... In fact from this week I can also control home devices via Gemini from lock screen as well. I have completely replaced assistent with gemini. In my experience assistant is completely integrated with Gemini. I am using regular Gemini. Great podcast guys. I love em👌
Sorry but I need to make a correction and point out a mistake. In Canada when I used Fitbit a year ago you could change notifications. I went and checked with my mom’s since she still uses Fitbit and you can customize notifications.
Love how they paint the “real “ reasons as just whatever negative opinion they have of apple, not saying they’re wrong but clarifying that it’s just the reason you think not the real reason,
Uploaded just in time for my lunch. This is gonna be a nice meal.
Every week on Friday i would wait for 2PM IST for these but i switched to RUclips Premium and I'm listening on RUclips Music now and I'm now listening to these 5 hours late 🥰
I think the Garmin discussion around 1:05:00 is Garmin's decision and not Apple's policy. I have used a Mi Band for years with different band versions and phone OSs. Both on Android and iOS I can select individual apps that I want to receive notifications from.
My favorite lyric: “Ding, ding”
I love crazy frog. I remember listening to it as a young kid. Nostalgia! 😂
The Apple Watch doesn't even work with an iPad or iPod.. what's their argument of it not working with anything else than an iPhone...
Here it is, you don’t need an iPhone either… the Apple Watch can work by itself without a device connected to it anyway. Try again
@@Rudgged It's not possible to even set up an Apple Watch without an Apple iPhone. You _need_ an Apple iPhone to use an Apple Watch.
It’s an iPhone accessory.
That's actually their point...
self driving
FSD is getting crazy, too bad the Cybertruck doesn't even have autopilot.
I have a withings smartwatch, i can choose which app get a notification pushed to the watch or not... seems like a garmin issue to me
They’re spot on that it’s not so much apple having extra features with the Apple Watch and iOS, but more so that they actively sabotage their devices to work with android.
Apple shouldn’t have to port over special features to be compatible with android but they should definitely not be sabotaging their devices from being used in coordination with other devices. Like imagine they did that with iTunes and connecting your iPhone to your PC and it was so glitchy your music only transferred over half of the time
Remember when Apple Music forced us to use it because everything you bought was locked with DRM?
How does Apple "sabotage" the Apple Watch when it comes to Android?
@@dominic.jdid you watch the episode? They literally have emails from apple trying to sabotage people from using other brand devices with their own
@@Artofcarissa Yes, Apple prevents other smart watches from having the same features as the Apple watch and that should absolutely change. I however asked how Apple sabotages the Apple Watch when it comes to Android.
Apple is preventing competition on their platform but not adding android support for the Apple Watch is not the same thing at all.
The Apple Watch isn't an essential device nor is it the only smart watch, they are not required to provide Android support for it.
How does not adding support for Android = sabotage?
Everything I fall asleep, I wake up in the middle of you talking about crazy frog.. are you paying to get in my playlist?
Xiaomi’s mi fit app on iOS allows custom notifications on their smart devices
I really love the „Am da rem ram am da baabeeeaaaaaaa!“ Part honestly xD
The same reason Apple bans "super apps" like WeChat is the same reason you can't get ad-block on iOS Firefox. U-block origin is run by being downloaded and executed by Firefox, Apple considers that as downloading and running non reviewed apps/code, which is what DOJ is suing about. I hope they win.
44:37 "There goes my answer..." 😂😂😂
being able to have an iPad for drawing, a Garmin watch for my smart watch and the newest pixel for my phone with probably air pods as the headphones without any ecosystem issues/limits out of the box would be so nice
I agree with Adam. Don't use features that you will miss if you change the device or it'll cost you monthly. For the same reason, I use Nova launcher so on all devices I just import settings and it's the same in any phone.
What the past couple of weeks has shown is the vast majority of people dont understand what anti-competitive behavior means. Just switch the word Apple with Microsoft and see how quickly people's views change on the subject.
Microsoft had 93% of the market in computers in 1998. Apple has 20% of the phone market in 2023. In US monopoly law that difference is crucial. Microsoft was a true monopoly that used their power to put other companies out of business like Netscape. Apple is not a monopoly and publish rules for their App Store that applies to millions of developers.
People also don’t understand the meaning of the word monopoly.
Monopoly doesn’t mean majority of market share. It means having exclusive control over a market or commodity.
Apple has no control over either of those, so the basis of the lawsuit is off. Even market share doesn’t mean anything, since that doesn’t count the amount of people who actually own devices, only the devices shipped or available in stores. There are more android devices being used in the US than iOS.
If the US wants to sue Apple for anti-competitive behavior, do that. But antitrust suit is just overreach.
@@bruxi78230 that my friend is what you call gatekeeping. Name one source outside the app store you can get apps for your iPhone.
@@ChanningChea please cite where the number of android devices are higher than iOS in the US. iOS has been 60% in the US for a while now and that number goes up when you start accounting for younger age groups
@@bruxi78230I mean DOJ doesn't really care about global market share, just US' and Apple market share in the IS is more then 60%
Have to be "ring ding ding ding" 😂
(Android user) Funny experience, went to the Apple store to try the vision pro. Made me do a face assessment to see what's the best fit. At the end of the demo, to save my customization details for the fit, needed an IPhone!!!
That's how much they force you to be a part of their eco system.
I've just gotta say, the video editing of the WVFRM podcast is awesome!
1:21:00 The people in the garden already aren't the only ones that matter. Every year, new people get their first piece of technology. Changing what options are available to them will over time change the percentage of people trapped in the garden. some will leave, others will use apps and products from a diverse set of companies that together suit their needs best. The allowance to let people enter and exit as They choose Will make a difference in time.
I think there’s a difference between Microsoft writing code to sabotage QuickTime and making products that work within your ecosystem better than others. You have the choice to use third party products, you are choosing to not use those extra features. This whole thing could be said if you want to go from a PC to a Mac, you have to buy new software. And not all software is made for the Mac. It’s called choose your camp and go with it. You can’t use Xbox controllers with a PS5. You can’t use PSVR on Xbox. I’m tired of the Google/Apple ecosystem argument. If I buy a Dyson, I can’t buy Shark products and make them work with a Dyson.
Re: Apple Suit. I found it funny that as the conversation went on, talking how Apple’s dominance is holding back competition, the examples used for the suffering side are GIANT companies themselves that have industry dominance of their own. Poor WeChat. Poor Epic. Poor Google. Poor Garmin. Poor Banks.
Cynical answer: yo, that's the only reason our corrupt capitalist government is stepping in. The "Justice" dept. is 100% working as intended.
'00s answer: The fact that these HUGE companies can't compete illustrates the problem. How could a relatively smaller market player possibly emerge with a new market space on this platform [because iPhone has so much dominance, it is not a product, or a device, it should be regulated like a platform to build on, see EU regulation] if even these huge companies can't make a deal to get in on the action? Apple isn't even letting corruption open their strangle hold or else they would have let Google get Wear OS watches working decently on iOS while quietly paying apple like a $1billion, like they do with Safari search. But nope! Apple is committed to crushing any other player in the American cell phone/personal electronics market.
If Apple were less anti-competitive we might see innovation that benefits the consumer/voter. Especially since we have emails from Apple execs talking about how they don't need to innovate anymore. It's really obvious that there's a good chance Apple's monopoly is slowing innovation and therefore might be hurting consumers by charging the same amount [or more] for new phones that are deliberately not advancing as quickly year over year as they could be.
@@MusicFillsTheQuiet
For the record, I am 100% agnostic in this argument.
My customer experience as an Apple user has been extraordinary and they have earned my loyalty. I am also a business owner who gets squeamish when I think that somehow the more successful I am, the more at risk I am of having to work with my competition or the upstarts who are nipping at my heals.
But I also know damned-well that I am trapped with Apple; I can’t even imagine how much work it would be to switch away from them now.
Having said that, I guess the challenging part of the argument about 'stifling innovation' is that none of the examples anyone is using are actually ‘innovation’.
Garmen would be innovating if they made a watch of that caliber that didn’t need to sync with a phone. They made a watch like all the others (that has a few novel features) but requires the heavy-lifting of a secondary device to actually do the computing and communicating. A device they’ve never even bothered to make. That’s not innovative.
A bank wants to make a ‘version’ of the AppleWallet to do exactly what the AppleWallet does. The future of that is what we now face with parking apps or streaming apps; no innovation, just too many companies doing the exact same thing to the consumer’s detriment.
Samsung isn’t innovating by making phones that are iPhone clones. Google isn’t innovating any more than Apple is with minor feature upgrades to their operating systems.
WeChat did something innovative. Absolutely. I don’t know enough about WeChat, nor what its iOS limitations are, to comment, but security aside, I can understand why Apple might be concerned about its devices becoming nothing more than a pile of glass and silicone that powers someone else’s market monopolization.
I understand wholly that there might be a ton of ‘innovation’ that isn’t happening because of these limitations (and we can’t name them because they don't yet exist). So I’d love to hear from developers who have wild ideas that just aren’t possible under this paradigm. I’d love to see what I’m missing. But as it stands right now, I just see headaches and higher costs in a future where other big companies have whittled away at the nice safe simple walled garden I get to lie in. I'm happy here! Show me what I'm missing. Show me real compelling innovation. If I have to wait unit DOJ wins the suite to see what happens, cool. But I'd love for there to be THAT kind of discussion, not what sound like Epic talking points.
I enjoyed listening to this podcast on my iPhone, through my non-apple earbuds, and using my Garmin watch for media controls. I'm not the typical iphone owner 🙃
I started using Todoist after the episode with Fake David.
I started tick tick after that episode
My favorite crazy frog lyric is "FREESCHTA PLEEESCTHSA"
ngl that garmin example hit the nail on the coffin. The apple watch offers the ability to silence notifications from certain distracting apps. This is available within the watch app and not on global iOS settings.
Since Garmin doesn't have access to settings of the watch app, it cannot perform the same operations.
Apple however lets other apps access and write to health. So incase you use garmin connect or strava for activity tracking, it can read/write data to Health and hence if you decided to move away from apple tmrw, you can easily do that.
Downloading music to apple watch was another example. Apple used to not allow Spotify to do that and now they do. So intentionally obscuring the experience of other third party competing apps definitely needs to be a cause of concern if and only if you qualify as a "platform" which Apple is.
Adam and Andrew: As a Garmin watch & iPhone user agreed that it drives me INSANE that Focus Modes/Individual App notifications cannot be updated to match the phone’s settings. Pls let us at least get that fixed
That Nfc thing is particularly annoying if you’re living in a country where apple pay isn’t supported like where I live. I used to have an android phone and I used to have an option of using google pay or 3 - 4 other wallet apps which supported that feature. I was actually surprised when I found it all those other wallet apps don’t offer the feature on ios just because apple is too stubborn to allow other apps to use nfc.
Let's go a 2 hour podcast 🎉🎉🎉
The thing about apples garden is that it's a wall garden. If it were an open ecosystem like Samsung or even OnePlus granted they're not great ecosystems but if it were just a little bit more open then they wouldn't have this lawsuit
Samsung's is the best ecosystem by far and you have all the options that other Android users have
LMAO the crazy frog bit at the end got me dying
Everyone on this podcast really needs to experience the latest FSD before recording an entire segment talking about the system.
Exactly
I have experienced many systems that are a lot better than FSD at a lower price… Mercedes version in Europe and NIO’s alternative. The American version of autopilot may be better but the European version is just sad and way too expensive…
@@Kurre.I’m referring to V12 FSD, not autopilot. To my knowledge, Tesla does not offer FSD in Europe due to regulations. I’ve had FSD beta since 2021 and it’s always changing.
@@jebber411 fsd is avaliable in Europe, it costs 8k usd in my country
@@Kurre. I believe we are talking about two different systems. I cannot find a single source of anyone using FSD Version 12 in Europe.
Quite honestly, when Crazy Frog said, "This is the Crazy Frog," it really spoke to me and I've applied that to my life since I was a kid.
I just read an NFT bro post a similar write-up demanding an apology from the company making the NFT Apes that were popular and he also said something like the ape touched me deeply and I was the ape etc :D
In my opinion, the most overlooked aspect of the Apple lawsuit is how their anti-competitive measures likely stifle innovation. Consider this: if other wallet app developers or banks could create their own NFC-enabled wallets, wouldn't the cost of goods and services purchased on iPhones be affected? Currently debit and credit card fees are high, and these costs are passed on to consumers. Imagine if Mastercard, American Express, or Visa had their own wallets. These companies would likely compete on cost and features, eliminating double charging. Interestingly, the South African government is testing a free, no-transaction-fee payment protocol. However, this wouldn't work if Apple insists on taking a cut from every transaction. As a seller, this cost would inevitably be passed on to the consumer. This logic could apply to many other issues raised in the lawsuit.
That crazy frog song has been my phone ring tone for sooo long!
Apple's malicious compliance in the EU is particularly annoying. They smugly act as if our laws are some sort of starting point of negotiations. They are not, they should respect our autonomy to create rules for competijtion in our own territory.
Should Tesla(Apple) be forced to make their extended range battery (Apple watch) work with the Ford(Samsung) Lightning (Galaxy S24)?
I think the real juiciest part of the DOJ suit will be when Apple’s lawyers ask the DOJ legal team what phones they use personally. And watching them all admit that they used iPhones and Mac’s in preparation for the trial.
Isn't that suppose to strengthen the case even more? That it's difficult to move to something else?
I love watching you all have so much fun at what you do! I feel like I’m right there with you.
I'm a little surprised how hard Marques is still riding for Twitter. Most of the other tech journalists I care about following have dipped. Also it just sucks to use now.
I just love David. He's so adorable. Please keep him.
The Apple Watch shouldn’t work with an Android phone because it’s an iPhone accessory. That’s like complaining that the Nintendo Switch Joycons don’t work with the PS5.
WRONG. Tesla was forced to share charging networks bcuz it doesnt make sense to build new charging networks for other car companies...
Apple was forced by EU to switch to USBC charger. you cant just lock all your devices to only work in your network, it crosses the line of anti-consumer laws. Government has to step in.
Joycons work with my pc tho
Joycons do work with PS5...
Bluetooth has connection standards that can be accomplished with hardware.
I hate my iPhone, but I love my Apple Watch, iPad, Macbook... I do not have the freedom to switch with heavily truncating the devices I own.
They artificially make it difficult to accomplish regular Bluetooth standards, which they could with the flip of a switch. They are just worried of everyone like me who recognize how far the iPhone is behind in global standards, and will switch in a second.
Also opening this up will force apple to be competitive, making the iPhone better for all consumers, and make them inovate vs the entire market and not just vs last year's model.
The only thing this does is removes the suppriority factor of having an expensive phone.
@@LaraMauk You can also connect an Apple Watch to an android phone and just like an Apple Watch connected to an android phone, Joycons connected to a windows computer it has limited features. You can’t update the Joycon firmware on anything but a Switch, and you can’t connect them as a single controller without third party software. Nintendo didn’t provide driver support for the Joycons, Microsoft did that.
Using a monopolistic power in the smart phone market, to make other smart watch experiences worse in iPhone when compare to Apple Watch… that is abusing market position…
Apple fan boy will say that apple device works better together because it is all part of the apple ecosystem system… and gov can’t stop company from how they want their eco system to work because they build that eco system… but what people need to realize is that just because apple add / build something to their “eco” system doesn’t mean they own all the market segment that their eco system covers. Just because apple build a smartphone and iOS, doesn’t mean they can use their power with the phone and iOS and limits other company entrance in other market (like web browser engine, smartwatch, messaging / sms, payment, etc), if they do that then they are abusing their power in one market to give themselves advantage in another market… and this is exactly what apple is doing.
love the new mic mkbhd
Apple just said "you ain't invited anymore" 😂
New soundboard sounds coming in next episode?? I need Davids BAA BAA 🙏🙏
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!! 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
idk why Andrew and David look like 70's show hosts more and more each week
Btw, June 16, 2009, is the date the VEVO was established, so a lot of music videos have that upload date
🎶Bom Bom Bom Bom Bom Bom bum bum bum 🎶
And thank you guys for another great podcast! Great laughs 😂