Your whole nation is just one big scam being perpetrated against yourselves. Don't worry. It'll get worse. Once you can't physically assault and pillage other nations any more, you'll turn to government sponsored domestic abuse. Bon appetit,
@@thehellyousay "Your whole nation is just one big scam being perpetrated against yourselves." Except it isn't. Nice effort to extrapolate a few niche flaws into the entire system. "Once you can't physically assault and pillage other nations any more" "Pillage"? Really?
@@r2r-r2r "Justice is dead for the most part in the USA." Identifying and resolving flaws in a system isn't "dead". There never has been a flawless system in the history of humans.
So the wife and son have medical bills, and they jail the husband with two jobs? I guess they are worried about if they jail the wife then they would then be responsible for her medical care that she can’t afford in the first place!
@ Silly comment by a silly person....Please enlighten us as to exactly how you can do that and how much money you get .....But as usual you got nothin and don't really need any...
Steve Bell this story deals with owing money. Well the US government has borrowed so many times from our SS fund that they wasn’t technically supposed to touch. Trillions if I’m not mistaken. They have no plan on paying it back. Instead they talk about it being an entitlement but yet we paid into to it over the years with the conception that when we retire we have a little nest egg. So why don’t we hold the government under these same standards?
Every health care facility should have people there to help you. Just ask when you check in. My wife is an Outreach coordinator, what ever your needs might be, she finds programs that will help you out. She finds people places to live, free or cheap eye care, dental, medical, prescriptions, and insurance. Don't go with out needed medical help.
I will tell you my experience concerning my late mother. Yea, there should be people and options to help you when your medical bills get over what you are capable of dealing with but the truth is no one cares. My mom was dropped by her insurance after a major stroke and it was a nightmare of treatment being refused her and fighting with trying to get her medical treatment paid for. In the end she lost everything she had worked her whole life to achieve. The long period that went by that they refused to give her any therapy or treat outside of basic life support until money could be paid ended up killing her in the end. Not to mention the strain I endured and losses trying to do what I could. And most of it was the fault of the Government and regulations.
This happened to my wife about 10 years ago, in Indiana, The collection agency apparently put an ad out in the local paper “notifying” us of a court date, we never got a notice of any court date. But the sheriff came knocking and told me she needed to come in and straighten the matter out. I thought we’d do the right thing and comply thinking we could just explain the mix up. She was jailed on the spot and I was in shock. We had to pay the sum before they would release her. Neither of us has any record and we had decent credit.
Back in the early 80's I was unemployed living in Wi. I owed child support and they took me to court, I told the judge I was unemployed, he gave me a sheet of paper with 10 lines on it that I had to have potential employers sign proving I was applying for work and had to show up in court 30 days later. When I came back to court with the filled out paper and no job he got pissed and threw me in jail over the weekend. On Monday the cops brought me back into the courtroom, the judge gave me 2 sheets, needing 20 employers to sign it and let me go another 30 days. This time I came to court I even had 5 or 6 more on the back of 1 page. I told the judge I could have had even more but some places refused to sign it and other places had signs on their doors saying "NOT ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS". He called me a liar and threw me in jail for 30 days for contempt. After about 3 weeks I was back in court. Rinse and Repeat! They wouldn't give me an attorney or any thing, next time they threw me in jail, some of the same guys were in there and one of them mentioned that his attorney was coming to visit him so I asked if he would mention my case to him and he did. I was released within an hour and never had to go back to court. I got me a decent paying job about 4 mo. later, took about 3 years of making current payments and no tax refunds to get it caught up. Looking back all I have to say is...…...MONROE COUNTY JUDGE RICE FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!! Probably dead now anyway.
But . . . But . . . Back in the early 80s there were people standing in lines to apply for jobs for positions that were rumored to be available. It was much like 2008/2009. You did your best that’s what counts.
I agree as far as medical bills? But if you move into a house or take a loan and refuse to make payments even if its only 30$ a week. Imprisonment should be a penalty at some point. Its basically theft by deception.. that said there should be many oppurtunitys for a payment plan. Some people refuse to pay their bills. Like getting a loan for a car and not making payments, then going and hiding the car in fear of repo
@@FastSloW-qt8xf which is why I'm not getting an abdominal aortic aneurysm fixed. Being in PA, I could get it fixed, not be able to pay the lordly medical bills and end up in prison. So, when it ruptures, I'll literally drop dead.
It happened to me. Nine years ago I was sitting in my living room reading the newspaper around 9am. Suddenly a cop knocked on my door when I opened it I seen 4 yes 4 cop cars from 2 different counties. I was 56 at the time and had never been arrested for anything in my life. I was cuffed and took out of my house while my wife daughter and granddaughter watched. My granddaughter was hysterical crying that someone was hurting her grandpa. I was taken to county jail first for a hour there was no room there so I was taken to the main prison 30 miles away. It was January in Indiana and very cold they took my shoes and coat and put me in a holding cell. They said they will call me in a few minutes to explain everything. The holding cell was suppose to hold 20 people max. There was 8 people in there when was stuck in there. I was called up the the desk to make my call at 1am !!!! 14 hours later !!!! The holding cell I was in held 20 max by this time there was 32 people in there sitting on ice cold concrete slabs. Was treated like a animal for 72 hours till I had court. The 500 dollars I owed for a MRI ending up costing me 1753.00 in costs to get out. After the first night I was put in the general population and in this prison was mainly killers and rapist. The worst part was I now have a record for the first time in my life. Should have never happened because my insurance told me they will take care of the bill, so I had no idea why I was being arrested until 1am , 16 hours after being taken from my house. Trust me everyone it can happen to you.
I would think so they are harassing you and caused you a loss of income, if they are so determined to get paid why not just garnish? or have them pay a little something every month? my brother did not make much but he was always able to pay something on his medical bills.
It scares the next guy so they are happy. I watched a video where this guy owed child support. He just got a job. The judge put him in jail because the job was not guaranteed 40 hours a week. Then he loses the job. The ex wife was laughing in court.
When I worked for Accouttemps, they sent me to Loudon Healthcare to do medical billing. It did not take me long to figure out that there was a practice of hounding individuals and letting insurance companies slide. I had an account with a grandmother on the hook for 70k due to her grandson being killed in a motorcycle accident. I reluctantly contacted her and learned her financial situation. Having worked in banking for about 11 years; I asked if they had a way to write off balances in extreme hardships; the managing vp had a cow and said to do it her way. Since it was a temp job, I went above her head and talked with one of the board members. I told them that between Blue Cross and Aetna they had about 5M, yes $5 million in outstanding debt due. We agreed if could get the balance from the insurance companies, the grandmother would be off the hook. So, I worked my phone magic; when you call a corporation and they try to blow you off, don't ask for the money, ask for the name of their counsel and legal address and say, "Oh, we don't want the money, we just need a physical address". Suffice it to say, I started getting phone calls which I immediately put on hold and went and had a smoke and came back to that beautiful blinking light on my desk phone. They paid in 22 days and the grandmother got her debt written off. I did not bother to go back to that place because I knew I was going to fired by the managing vp. I would never work medical billing again.
i had this same thing happen to me in shawnee county, kansas. i owed hospital bills for my spouse and also for my son. i went to court to pay a traffic ticket and was arrested for those hospital bills. i hadnt even been notified that i was being sued for them, and it wasnt my bills because i had medicaid as did my son but not my husband. since i was employed and we were legally married they considered me responsible for his debts. and so after i was arrested and paid a fine my name was added to an attatchment of "my body" and i was required to go to the civic center once per month along with appx 500 other people and prove i was still in possession of "my body". so once per month i was required to take time off of a job that had no replacement for me to do this until that job replaced me. the only way to stop this was to move out of state. 20 years later they still have a bench warrant for me in the state of kansas on this matter.
The place should be a ghost town after all the toxins have been released there over the last 70 years ad now a "flood spill" too ! www.kansas.com/news/article1070968.html
Put me in jail. I don't have money. I stay in jail. 3 hots and a cot. Let me out and play the game over and over again. I lost my job because of getting tossed into debtors prison. So there I stay. 3 hots and a cot. Better than living out in the open prairie in winter!
You owe for medical bills because you don't have enough money to pay for insurance. So you go to jail. You don't have the $500 to get out so you sit there fir a few months until you get rescheduled. During that time, your kids get put in foster care because you aren't there to care for them. That costs taxpayers a lot of money. You lose your job because they don't let you out of jail to go to work. And then lose your home because you aren't able to pay the rent while you are in jail not working. When you finally get out, you're homeless so the state won't give you back your kids, costing even more money. A few months later, you still can't get a job because no one will hire someone who doesn't have a place to shower or do laundry and shows up to interviews dirty. You eventually get a crappy minimum wage job, rent a room, and work on getting your kids back. You get sent another notice to appear but it is sent to your old address so you never get it. You get tossed in jail for not showing up... and repeat. This costs the state a lot more than if they had just provided medical coverage in the first place. Plus it is traumatic to the children. They suffer abandonment issues and behavioral problems for the rest of their lives, making it hard for them to get any education. They end up in crappy jobs without medical coverage... And this is supposed to be a 'great country'?
They charged me 20 thousand for two days and only gave me a pain killers. Umm. There’s the problem. If the cost of medicine treatment we’re reasonable they would have less issues. Medical system is a scam. I paid my 10% $2000. And I just don’t go for anything anymore. I would rather die than go back to a filthy practice we call medicine.
Your class action is misplaced. It's collection companies that do this. This attorney is working for JDB (Junk Debt Buyer) collection companies. The hospital or medical facility has long written off the debt and sold it. That debt is bought for pennies on the dollar.
@@Newokie59 Are you 100% certain of the facts? features.propublica.org/medical-debt/when-medical-debt-collectors-decide-who-gets-arrested-coffeyville-kansas/
@thunderbird002 Well, slavery itself was never a law, it's just the act of owning people for forced labor. There were however several laws pertaining to and permitting slavery.
@thunderbird002 While completely wrong, not only was it legal it was constitutionally written into the Constitution and took amendments to remove the legality and constitutionally of it.
What if the postal worker puts your notice in a neighbor's mailbox by mistake and you are jailed because you didn't show up then can't post bail and get fired from your job? Yes at least several times a year I get neighbors mail in my mailbox or my mail gets delivered into my neighbor's mailbox. The apartment across the hall is vaccent, yet mail still gets out into that mailbox, but no one there to see it if it isn't theirs but mine.
I also have the right to know what something is going to cost before I buy it. Hospitals work the other way around. You use their services, then they throw a bill at you.
I'm glad you accurately spoke on this. The local news was ignoring skipping the court date twice. It's a bad rule here in Kansas... I have empathy for them as my health isn't the greatest and we spend thousands a year to keep me alive and functional... Don't ever get run over by a semi and then 20years later have a double fusion to fix the broken vertebra from the accident...
If this were me, I'd show up to court in dirty rags with a battery powered stereo playing Company Store loud enough to clip. Or flee to a state where this BS isn't tolerated.
This is an end-run around the law against jailing people for debt. It also directly harms the poorest and sickest among us. Disgusting really. Jailing somebody for contempt due non-appearance - which may well be due to having to work two jobs to pay their family’s medical bills - isn’t a good way to have people, you know, make money to pay bills. It’s criminal that this is even allowed.
The USA is the only "first world country" where these types of atrocities could happen. We need both Medicare-for-all AND to debt reform to stop these atrocities!
M4A doesn't mean what though think it does. Every D20 plan covers every illegal alien, that means anyone who can get here. It means a low paid bureaucrat or computer decides what your doctor is allowed to do based on your age, disability, taxpayer status, and BMI. It means reduced access to cancer care and increased cancer mortality. Every country with nationalized health insurance has substantially higher cancer death rates than the US. Cancer is expensive to treat. Restricting access to cancer care is how these countries lower spending.
@@fishgutz4272 [Part 3] As briefly as I can, I will respond to some commonly heard criticisms regarding the government getting involved with health care. Some bring up the issue of 'medical tourism’ into the US because our healthcare is thought to be so "envied" around the world. Even "if" the health care in the US does “exceed all others" (which is a highly questionable assumption), that is little comfort to Americans who cannot ACCESS it. I will also note that many US citizens go abroad for affordable medical care each year. Some are even SENT abroad by their insurance companies! www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/17/14-Million-Americans-Will-Go-Abroad-Medical-Care-Year-Should-You When it comes to prescriptions, many Americans and even state medical systems are turning towards our Canadian neighbors. "Some US states are proposing to import medicines in bulk from Canada, where many drugs are cheaper thanks to government price controls (emphasis mine)". www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/prescription-drugs-costs-us-import-canada) Another argument concerning the ACA is that some people were forced to change their healthcare plans owing to the fact that Obamacare mandated that all health insurance plans had to meet certain standards (discussed above), just as many other life-and-death industries do. I do not relish having to defend the ACA for the reasons that I already stated, but I cannot ignore such mind-numbing distortions of reality. The insurance policies that were "lost" under the new ACA standards were usually 'junk' plans to begin with that did not include such necessities as pregnancy care, eye care, prescriptions, etc.. REAL, compliant, health insurance plans were then made available to those individuals. www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jun/21/donald-trump/white-house-tweet-wrongly-says-obamacare-led-fewer/) I will touch upon the subject of health care costs. Regardless of the anti-guaranteed healthcare propaganda that has been drummed into people via conservative media, most countries with universal healthcare pay LESS per-capita for health care than the US does, AND they have better outcomes. "Despite spending more on health care, Americans had poor health outcomes, including shorter life expectancy and greater prevalence of chronic conditions". "Even though the U.S. is the only country without a publicly financed universal health system, it still spends more public dollars on health care than all but two of the other countries". "Finally, despite its heavy investment in health care, the U.S. sees poorer results on several key health outcome measures such as life expectancy and the prevalence of chronic conditions". www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective) Finally, this tragic death. Deamonte Driver was a 12-year-old, homeless child, who died an AVOIDABLE death in 2007, from an abscessed tooth. That is correct, something as treatable as an abscessed tooth! His family's Medicaid coverage had lapsed, and his mother had difficulty finding a dentist that would treat him. www.mediamatters.org/research/2013/09/27/because-fox-asked-here-are-examples-of-people-w/196139) If the US had universal healthcare, Deamonte--like everyone else--would automatically be covered.
@@fishgutz4272 (Part 2) There is the uniquely "American" problem of ill individuals aging out of their parent's insurance plans. Before the enactment of the ACA, the cutoff age for young adults being taken off their parent's plan was 18-22. Under the ACA, it is 26, which is STILL not good enough to prevent the deaths and suffering of patients such as Alec Raeshawn. Alec had a very TREATABLE condition, Type 1 Diabetes. He required regular injections of insulin to live. He died of Diabetic ketoacidosis, which is when your body doesn't have get enough insulin. "Your blood sugar gets so high that your blood becomes highly acidic, your cells dehydrate, and your body stops functioning". Alec made around 35,000 a year, which was enough to disqualify him from both Medicaid or insurance subsidies in Minnesota. "Alec's pharmacist told him his diabetes supplies would cost $1,300 a month without insurance - most of that for insulin". The "best" plan that he could find had a $450 monthly premium, and an annual deductible of $7,600. "Alec decided going uninsured would be more manageable.'' Alec was found dead less than a month after going off of his mother's insurance. "His family thinks he was rationing his insulin - using less than he needed - to try to make it last until he could afford to buy more. He died alone in his apartment three days before payday. The insulin pen he used to give himself shots was empty". www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/01/641615877/insulins-high-cost-leads-to-lethal-rationing Not only would people dealing with mental health conditions or drug dependency have had to pay much higher premiums, many may not have been covered at all! States would have been able to get waivers that could have allowed insurance providers to deny coverage of some health services, including mental health and substance abuse treatments. As the article referenced above has pointed out, if those with serious mental health conditions are left untreated, suicides are at serious risk of increasing. "Adding to the number of suicides (assisted or not) will be some of the millions of mentally ill people who will be taken off their medication". www.huffpost.com/entry/trumpcare-mental-health_n_590b5576e4b0104c734c94c1 Since mental illness as a driver of mass shootings, legislation should be proposed to make it easier--rather than HARDER--to access mental health treatment. www.mic.com/articles/188004/republicans-say-mental-health-care-prevents-mass-shootings-theyve-tried-to-gut-mental-health-care The implications for the mentally-ill would be grim if key provisions of the ACA were repealed, which Trump attempted to do in his first year in office. Owing to the SCOTUS ACA ruling, Medicaid expansion--which was designed to be nationwide, is left to the option of each state. The only reason possible for many Republican governors--who have the best tax-supported medical care available for themselves and their families--to refuse to implement this life-saving portion of the ACA is their political hatred of former President Obama, period. A new University of Michigan study estimates that 15,600 people nationwide have died because their states refused the Medicaid expansion. The annual rate of such avoidable deaths in Texas alone is 730, according to the studies. amp.caller.com/amp/1932174001 Here is the story of how one of Florida's residents--and her now three orphaned children--paid the ultimate price for living on "this" side of the Atlantic, and in a "red" state. Charlene Dill is one of thousands--if not millions--of US citizens that should have been eligible for Medicaid-expansion. She was a 32-year-old mother of three. She made too much income to qualify for Florida's regular Medicaid plan, but too little to qualify for federal subsidies to buy a plan on the ACA's private exchanges. She had a documented heart condition, but went years without the care she needed because she couldn’t afford it. She collapsed and died on a stranger’s floor on one of her THREE jobs when she was attempting to sell a vacuum cleaner. thinkprogress.org/this-32-year-old-florida-woman-is-dead-because-her-state-refused-to-expand-medicaid-431e2e37d9d1/ Florida is another state refusing the Medicaid expansion.
@@fishgutz4272 [Part 1] I will start out by clearly stating that Obamacare would NOT be my first choice for a national healthcare system. It continues to make health insurance too expensive for many by allowing “private insurance middlemen" to gobble-up huge amounts of premium-payer money. Most of the deductibles and co-pays associated with ACA plans are outrageous, and discourage people from getting medical care when they need it. IF Obama had included a public option to his plan--as he had originally pledged to do--the costs mentioned above would likely be much less than they currently are. While some paste a very "rosy" picture for healthy people prior to the ACA, they simply refuse to even consider how unregulated private insurance companies treated some of those who needed health care the most. The best parts of the ACA are the patient protections and the Medicaid expansion. Patient protections--including barring insurers from excluding those with pre-existing health conditions, or from imposing life-time insurance caps. It also requires that mental illnesses be covered, and it requires that pregnancy and childbirth be covered. It also expands the age from 18-22 to 26 that adults can remain on their parent's health insurance. These reforms have helped millions get and retain coverage. The Medicaid-expansion associated with the ACA has ALSO greatly expanded health care access in the states that have adopted it. On balance, Obamacare has saved lives over the 'healthcare system" that was in place before its enactment. Studies show that if Obamacare were straight up repealed and we returned to the pre-ACA era, 22 million people lose insurance, and more than 24,000 preventable deaths would occur each year. www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14921962/ahca-mortality-gun-homicides "Prior to the ACA, about 12.6 million non-elderly adults were denied coverage due to having a pre-existing condition in the previous three years. This represents 36 percent of all consumers who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market". "Another method for denial was through a process called rescission. This involves applicants with expensive conditions, such as cancer, being denied coverage based on their initial health status questionnaire. Insurers retroactively cancelled applicants’ entire policies if any condition was missed. Policies could be cancelled if medical conditions were unrelated, or applicants weren’t aware of the condition at the time. Entire families’ coverage could have been revoked, as well". "Before the ACA’s start, 35 states offered those consumers denied coverage in the individual insurance market or otherwise unable to obtain insurance a high-risk pool option. This insurance imposed pre-existing condition exclusions for six months to one year. During this time, the actual condition that made someone uninsurable isn’t covered. These insurance options are also typically much more expensive than traditional plans". healthnetwork.com/blog/before-the-aca-1-in-7-people-were-denied-coverage-because-of-pre-existing-conditions-today-none/ Below is an example of how rescission worked to prevent even "insured" patients from receiving the life-saving treatment that they needed. "Robin Beaton found out last June she had an aggressive form of breast cancer and needed surgery -- immediately. Her insurance carrier pre-certified her for a double mastectomy and hospital stay. But three days before the operation, the insurance company called and told her they had red-flagged her chart and she would not be able to have her surgery. The reason? In May 2008, Beaton had visited a dermatologist for acne. A word written on her chart was interpreted to mean precancerous, so the insurance company decided to launch an investigation into her medical history. Beaton's dermatologist begged her insurance provider to go ahead with the surgery. Still, the insurance carrier decided to rescind her coverage. The company said it had reviewed her medical records and found out that she had misinformed them about some of her medical history. Beaton had listed her weight incorrectly. She also didn't disclose medication she had taken for a pre-existing heart condition -- medicine she wasn't taking when she originally applied for coverage. [CNN, 6/16/09]" www.mediamatters.org/research/2013/09/27/because-fox-asked-here-are-examples-of-people-w/196139 Remember the talk about "death panels"? Guess what, they are REAL, they are the US private health insurance companies! Now, an example of how lifetime insurance capswere used to deny patients care, sometimes causing DEATHS. Most average-health people likely paid little attention to the $1 million life-time cap that private insurers placed on individuals pre-ACA, unless they or a family member became seriously ill and needed continuing healthcare. Kelly and Tom Treinen were no exception. In fact, they chose their plan because the premiums were lower than another plan offered to them which offered a $5 million lifetime insurance cap. "Then doctors diagnosed their teenage son, Michael, with an aggressive form of leukemia in May 2007. His treatment called for 10 doses of a chemotherapy drug that cost $10,000 per dose. A 56-day stay in an intensive care unit cost about $400,000. Michael reached his $1 million lifetime maximum in less than a year. The Noblesville, Ind., family had to issue a public plea for help after a hospital told them it needed either $600,000 in certified insurance or a $500,000 deposit to continue preparing for a critical bone marrow transplant. The Treinens raised $865,000 in six days. Money came from all over the United States and as far away as Germany. But Michael’s cancer had stopped responding to chemotherapy, and he died May 25 before he could receive the transplant". www.nbcnews.com/id/25644309/ns/health-health_care/t/health-insurance-caps-leave-patients-stranded/ This 6-year-old boy was luckier, because he was born (prematurely) just SIX DAYS after Obamacare had abolished life-time caps on medical care. "He was born seven weeks premature and spent the first six months of his life in the hospital. He still has significant health issues due to a rare genetic disease. He has been under anesthesia more than 45 times". His family had spent more than $2 million during his FIRST hospital stay. His family is lobbying to keep that patient protection in place, while Republicans have given mixed messages about this provision as well as other ACA patient protections. They often speak of leaving them in place, but the House-passed Trump alternative to the ACA--the 'American Health Care Act' would allow big employers to reinstitute lifetime payment limits". www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/21/15842780/senate-health-care-lifetime-limits
Having friends in the England, Sweden, Canada... I have learned how their healthcare and education systems operate. Anybody against those systems are against moving in the correct direction. Stress is a major health issue, and the last thing a person or family dealing with a major health issue needs is the stress of added financial hardship due to medical bills. The only people that can truly afford the amazing healthcare available in the US for any length of time are the politicians that keep undermining change while taking the cash from those lobbyists.
That 's a great statement till you also have to add in that other countries who have this enlightened system let people die because the system gets to decide who is worthy.
@@Grumpyagain Compared to say the 45,000 people who die because they lack insurance. Compared with countries that have lower rates of infant mortality, higher life expectancy and lower cost. I'm living with stage 4 melanoma currently. The last time I had a treatment change, it took a month to get prior approval from my insurance, for the hosptial to negotiate a copayment arrangement, and to get the drug delivered. Anecdotal, sure. No more so than the claims that people are allowed to die.
Years ago I saw someone jailed in Dallas for unpaid utility bill in KY. It wasn't contempt. The theory was that the utility was owned by a government agency, therefore theft from the local government. I think the bill was around $200. KY paid to extradite her back,too.
Straight up horse crap. sad public officials think it okay reminds me of the judge that treated that 70 year old man poorly for not mowing when he had cancer. Only someone privileged in life thinks that way
It reminds me of the judge in Sapulpa, Oklahome who decides bail amounts who also owns the bail bond business closest to the Court House. Convenient is an understatement.
Not only do they all eat at the same table at lunch time . . . . They're all "officers of the court" . . . . Including the attorney "representing" YOU!
Face it, being broke in America now makes you less than a citizen and more of a serf beholden to the corporations and the legal system is now their tool to make you a serf. What makes it worse is when the debt is not even yours: my brother in law has a very common name and is regularly contacted by debt collectors from all over the country saying that he owes them money. He has been sued multiple times and been forced to go to court to prove he is not the person who owes the debt. Imagine if he missed a court date and ended up being locked up for a debt that is not even his?? But that's entirely possible under today's legal practices.
I can understand both parties but at some point you've just gotta have a heart. If the debtor literally has $100 to his name, the expense of commuting to court may be financially burdensome.
I am retired. I have decided to sit in jail to pay off any, and all "court costs", fines, and fees. In Houston you are credited $50 per day, but it costs the county $120 per day to jail you! BREAK THE SYSTEM! 😜
Oh right one more thing to add step sisters husband didn't seek medical help he had a blemish on his inner thigh...He could not really afford to see a doctor at that time. Turned out to be melanoma he's dead now ..... USA medical SUCKS It is disgraceful to think that medical service in the U.S.A is for the lucky ones ... its the most expensive and the worst in the western world...... can you imagine putting someone in jail for medical costs WTF is wrong with you people
Not American so I'd prefer this not become political. Just wanted to share my experience: My father had a life threatening medical condition and the Canadian hospital he was admitted to did not have an available specialist (at the time of his admission) to do the surgery he needed. It was decided to transfer him to an American hospital (we are border adjacent) as it would be faster than sending him to the nearest Canadian hospital with the staff on hand. As his proxy I was surprised at the constant snide comments about the quality of Canadian healthcare (why couldn't they do it there huh?) until complications meant he started needing further procedures unrelated to the initial condition. You could literally see the surprise and shock when I was asked to give consent for these other needed procedures and gave it without hesitation or concern for cost (he is covered by provincial insurance in this situation). I cannot fathom what it would be like to make these decisions while having to consider the possibility that someone I love could be saved but cannot be because of money, or saved but have their lives ruined from then on. It did not matter to me that the lights in his room were brass, or that the monitors were state of the art LED screens. All that mattered was that he returned home alive and well, and could resume his life without any further stressors.
Three times I was offered devices at three different medical clinics, and for each place I asked if my insurance paid for them. All three of them said yes. Then all three of them sent me a bill as they said my insurance did not pay for them. I did not pay for any of them, but was threatened with collections each time. They did not get a nickle.
If you find yourself in this situation you need to seek the protections of bankruptcy that's what I'm doing now I have nothing on my credit history except medical bills they was all behind I was near homeless no job use the law back to your advantage consult the bankruptcy lawyer
I was going to suggest this as well.. tho not sure if bankruptcy can be used to set aside a monetary judgement by a court. I know it did not work for my father when he was told it would set aside his old student loan from the 1970's. It may only work for specific kinds of debt.
In IL a creditor can force appearance of a debtor only once every six months. See IL S Ct Rule 277 (f) When Proceeding Terminated. My first job as an attorney was doing medical collections. I lasted only 8 months. I saw hundreds of people who had no hope of ever paying the hospital bills, but almost all of them wanted to try to make some payment. I quit the day after an old woman thanked me for not putting her in jail because she couldn't pay. After I spoke with that old woman I just couldn't live with myself doing that job. Of course, the law does not allow jail for that but she had been told that if she didn't pay should could go to jail. And the folks who can't pay are the very same folks who won't seek medical help until they are gravely ill. Why? because they can't afford a simple visit to a doctor.
No mention of when this happens in other states while you are traveling. Go to the EMERGENCY ROOM and get a automatic bill for anything. No insurance and they send the bill to you. Wrong address. - how about a warrant for your arrest due to not finding you with a bill you never got, in a state you never travel through much? For $10000 in medical for 20 years?
If the dr weren't required to give service this would be bad but since they are required to help people the people should be required to pay. This is a good thing. If you have to go to court to say you can't pay then you have to go to court if you don't pay, sounds like free healthcare.
What frightens me most about medical debt is that, should I find myself in some sort of accident where I end up unconscious, there is an assumption made that I want an ambulance/air ambulance, and full medical care. There is no method that I'm aware of to make a record of my decision against this in advance. This decision, made on my behalf, results in bills which I'm responsible for. The rationale for this is that obviously, saving your life is the most valuable thing in your life, and as such any rational patient would consent to the ambulance, air ambulance, emergency surgeries, etc. Whether the patient has said services covered by their insurance or not. It makes sense on one level, but for myself, I would not wish to incur expensive medical procedures, especially in the later part of my life. I've worked and saved for many years not for myself, but to leave something for my daughter. If I were to, for example, learn than I had cancer, and were conscious to make the decision, I wouldn't wish to extend my life a "few more years" at the expense of her future. I suspect there are a number of parents who would feel the same way. So... It's not just the debt we agree to that scares me, it's the debt that is assigned on our behalf, the pre-authorized procedures where the insurance company reverses their decision after the fact, the in-network hospitals contracting out-of-network doctors which aren't covered, the procedures which come with costs that aren't communicated in advance to the patients/families (and in most cases, aren't even known or understood by the doctors beforehand).
have a medical proxy form and someone to enforce foryou, I have one and my hubby has one, and always and I meanalways when dealing with a emergency always challenge/reneogotiate bills you get if you have no insurance. never pay what they are offering/charging, once you start paying you have contracted with them to pay what htey ask for no insurance company ever pays what doctors and hospitals ask for and you shouldnt either. challenge never accept, the contract is not valid until you agree to pay the bills sent.
Lol. Yes I agree that the law claims you have to pay it. However. A bad trip to the hospital with no insurance can cost you many times what a poor person earns in a lifetime. Throwing someone in jail for this doesn't seem to help.
I owe just over 9.2 million after me and my wife got hit by a girl in a Durango . Ill never get out of jail.my wife of 27 years died and ill go to jail.sounds about right.i say make the girl that hit us pay the bill.
Another bail related gotcha to watch out for has to do with public defenders. I went to court on a DWI in Houston back in the 80's. One of the other defendants in court that morning had a public defender. When his case was called this public defender told the judge her client had posted a cash bond to get out of jail. The judge then released the public defender, who then walked out leaving her client standing there to defend himself. You can't have a public defender if you have money.
Another aspect of this repeated ordering to appear in court is, if you do have a job, your employer can become tired of constantly giving time off of work to go to court. I've seen happen as well, where people are faced with the prospect of either risking jail for not showing up, or losing your job if you take off repeatedly.
And what about those people that never get the notice to appear? Where I live, "gutter service" is a common practice. (that's where the person serving papers leaves them somewhere near your home and reports you as served, yet the person served is completely unaware of it)
If this process is used, when does the patient get to defend against improper or unagreed billing? I understand that collection agents are known to evaluate things and correct billing mistakes such as when a sales person pads an order with unwanted items. Has it ever been tested whether a medical office can add unwanted things perhaps that a patient didn't want but that a staff person did only for their own benefit?
No one has any idea what medical service is going to cost. and it is very rare that anyone is in the position to negotiate. You are sick/injured and at the mercy of a system that no one can understand. Resolving this is the most important domestic issue in the USA
No self respecting judge would allow his court to be used as a strong arm collection shakedown like this Kansas character. The citizens of that municipality should be embarrassed.
The judge , lawyer, bailiff are all getting a kickbacks. Coffeeville is a dump, they're just finding clever ways to fleece the citizens. They need to vote out the crooked judge and get one in that is actually for the people and fighting real crime, not money grabbing for their rich buddies...
@@glasslinger from what I've read you guys pay about ten times more for insurance than what we pay in tax contributions,not to mention you're being ripped off on drugs,and then the insurance companies apply the small print and say "sorry you're not covered for that". Whether I've got a small cut or need major surgery,no quibbles it just gets done. Also no fat cats profiteering off people's health problems,whatever way I look at it you guys are getting screwed big style.
technically yes, but so is abusing the emergency to price gouge people without enough insurance or no insurance. but just work with the hospital there has to be a way to avoid a big bill that is agreeable to both parties. dont let the courts get involved unless they are adamant in getting you to pay full price.
What does that court do to folks who can't get the bail money? I'm wondering how long do they keep them locked up and if that creates a strain on the jail and the county's resources. Especially if that inmate is sick.
Steve, You’re a good dude. You’ve been spreading truth and helping people educate themselves for years here on RUclips. I appreciate you and what you do. You’re a good dude. Some people talk shit about lawyers but you are one of the good ones. I fuck with you bro. I don’t live in Michigan but if I did I would definitely call you first if I needed legal advice or service. Thank you, Take care & God Bless.
This is the worst. Medical charges are voodoo economics. Charges vary from region to region in excess of 1000% _ this is no an exaggeration. Large non profits are often the most vigilant in pursuing medical debt. It is morally obscene David Goldhill is the best advocate for consumers. Health care is a consumer issue.
My medical care is covered by the VA. So I don’t have to worry about being imprisoned for not being able to pay my medical bills. Nor do I have to worry about having adequate medical care; I don’t, so there’s not point in worrying about it.
Mine was unpaid medical debt, no job or assets, judge ordered me to pay anyway, then told me if i didn't pay he would jail me for contempt of court, for not obeying him.
Lawmakers & lawyers figure out a way to fleece the poor in their state. Maybe, they should have just went to jail in the 1st place to get medical care! Because, we live in the land of the free.
I moved to south east Kansas to help my elderly parents and living around here is a whole different world. I think that there's something weird in the water.
Calling someone into court excessively definitely sounds vindictive in nature. I think there should be a limit to how often someone can call someone else in.
Here in deep south Texas its almost impossible to get medical care without insurance. If a person is critical they'll do the legal minimum to keep them alive. Otherwise no medical services.
do they have to do this in your town? if they press this in a town a distance from you, what if you don't have the means to get to the court? what if it is in another state? can you clarify how far they can go with this? and if you don't have the money to pay, what if you don't have the $500 to give them???
Let them show up at my place looking to arrest me for owing some debt. I guarantee when they arrest me, there will be a real reason for it. And when you come, bring bags, lots of bags.
If you were ordered by a court to pay the debt and then don't pay. You are arrested for failure to comply with the court order. Same thing has happened to me before for not paying a traffic ticket in Arizona
@@sbrazenor2 oh trust me, I know he is a con artist, but if I was getting thrown in jail every month for unpaid medical bills, I'd probably start believing his lies.
the problem with the youth thinking it makes him look favorable is exactly why they should run from him. This is the result of government taking control of this industry and leaving a thin veil of private markets appearance to it, and then provided them an avenue to collect debt. This gives government the ability to say its not us its evil corporations. Who was it that made medical bills exempt from bankruptcy claims?
@@bobr9605 Every single government that has taken even more control of the industry than the US has MUCH lower costs as a percentage of GDP. At some point you people are going to have to acknowledge that facts trump ideology every time.
The Kansas State Association of Collection Attorneys got special collections courts set up in the bigger counties. In our county in Kansas, they had this setup going where the collection attorneys were the judges, and could issue their own contempt orders. They were bringing people in once a month. Eventually, the State Supreme Court got wind of this and changed that. At one time, prior to this change, they were using an arena as the court and bringing in 4-500 people every Tuesday.
My father passed away in 2014 and it has saddened me greatly to say that I'm glad that he did because he would absolutely be disgusted at what this nation has become. This is yet another example of absolute atrocity. Sad how it's become the norm.
@@glasslinger This is a singular example of many that's why I said "yet another example" this is greed plain and simple. Somebody literally had to sit there and find a loophole around the system that protects people from such things as medical bills not in order to pay the medical bill but rather in order to pay themselves as a result of a notification that somebody may or may not have gotten. That kind of thing, the kind of thing where people think of themselves before others has become the norm. That's where it is. That is of course unless you think that f_cking other people over is clever somehow in which case I would say to you respectfully, "there is simply nothing left to be said on your behalf"
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And then the jailer gets to charge you daily rent furthering your debt hole!
Your whole nation is just one big scam being perpetrated against yourselves. Don't worry. It'll get worse. Once you can't physically assault and pillage other nations any more, you'll turn to government sponsored domestic abuse.
Bon appetit,
@@thehellyousay "Your whole nation is just one big scam being perpetrated against yourselves."
Except it isn't. Nice effort to extrapolate a few niche flaws into the entire system.
"Once you can't physically assault and pillage other nations any more"
"Pillage"? Really?
Justice is dead for the most part in the USA.
We live in a post constitutional era.
@@r2r-r2r "Justice is dead for the most part in the USA."
Identifying and resolving flaws in a system isn't "dead". There never has been a flawless system in the history of humans.
@James Kresnik There's probably a good reason for not believing you when you say we're sliding back into slavery.
So the wife and son have medical bills, and they jail the husband with two jobs?
I guess they are worried about if they jail the wife then they would then be responsible for her medical care that she can’t afford in the first place!
Isn’t that fun how they are able to destroy families so easily? I’d chip in on a GoFund me for this dude.
@ if it's available in any helpful fashion and it is likely not in their state.
@ Silly comment by a silly person....Please enlighten us as to exactly how you can do that and how much money you get .....But as usual you got nothin and don't really need any...
@@hendricksonrunner5015 What in the world has any of this story got to do with the federal government or the debt?....
Steve Bell this story deals with owing money. Well the US government has borrowed so many times from our SS fund that they wasn’t technically supposed to touch. Trillions if I’m not mistaken. They have no plan on paying it back. Instead they talk about it being an entitlement but yet we paid into to it over the years with the conception that when we retire we have a little nest egg. So why don’t we hold the government under these same standards?
This makes me even more scared to seek medical help when I barely make enough to cover normal bills.
Every health care facility should have people there to help you. Just ask when you check in. My wife is an Outreach coordinator, what ever your needs might be, she finds programs that will help you out. She finds people places to live, free or cheap eye care, dental, medical, prescriptions, and insurance. Don't go with out needed medical help.
Likewise here.
I have to be real careful to make sure I don't get injured!
I will tell you my experience concerning my late mother. Yea, there should be people and options to help you when your medical bills get over what you are capable of dealing with but the truth is no one cares. My mom was dropped by her insurance after a major stroke and it was a nightmare of treatment being refused her and fighting with trying to get her medical treatment paid for. In the end she lost everything she had worked her whole life to achieve. The long period that went by that they refused to give her any therapy or treat outside of basic life support until money could be paid ended up killing her in the end. Not to mention the strain I endured and losses trying to do what I could. And most of it was the fault of the Government and regulations.
@@Karl-Hungus How would no Government and a lack of regulations have helped? This sounds like a case of insufficient Government regulation.
@@macgyveratlarge2133 Just MacGyver up a pair of crutches
This happened to my wife about 10 years ago, in Indiana, The collection agency apparently put an ad out in the local paper “notifying” us of a court date, we never got a notice of any court date. But the sheriff came knocking and told me she needed to come in and straighten the matter out. I thought we’d do the right thing and comply thinking we could just explain the mix up. She was jailed on the spot and I was in shock. We had to pay the sum before they would release her. Neither of us has any record and we had decent credit.
This is just a cover for harassment and coersion.
The over and over part is where this judge needs to go to prison.
The lawyers as the judge is required by law to hear valid cases
You hit the nail on the head! This is a business system set up to exploit people. Everyone has the right to get paid but not as a con!
@@Solarlube Who writes the laws? How did they get that job? Find the people that gave them the power to write the law and you have found the problem.
@@timan2039 The laws are written by the people YOU Elected and by default when you couldn't be bothered to vote!
They have arrested lawyers and judges and the plaintiffs as a conspiracy in some areas of law. It would be nice to see it happen in cases like these
Back in the early 80's I was unemployed living in Wi. I owed child support and they took me to court, I told the judge I was unemployed, he gave me a sheet of paper with 10 lines on it that I had to have potential employers sign proving I was applying for work and had to show up in court 30 days later. When I came back to court with the filled out paper and no job he got pissed and threw me in jail over the weekend. On Monday the cops brought me back into the courtroom, the judge gave me 2 sheets, needing 20 employers to sign it and let me go another 30 days. This time I came to court I even had 5 or 6 more on the back of 1 page. I told the judge I could have had even more but some places refused to sign it and other places had signs on their doors saying "NOT ACCEPTING APPLICATIONS". He called me a liar and threw me in jail for 30 days for contempt. After about 3 weeks I was back in court. Rinse and Repeat! They wouldn't give me an attorney or any thing, next time they threw me in jail, some of the same guys were in there and one of them mentioned that his attorney was coming to visit him so I asked if he would mention my case to him and he did. I was released within an hour and never had to go back to court. I got me a decent paying job about 4 mo. later, took about 3 years of making current payments and no tax refunds to get it caught up. Looking back all I have to say is...…...MONROE COUNTY JUDGE RICE FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!! Probably dead now anyway.
your children thank you.
@@paulschofield3108 I don't understand. Isn't child support a civil matter? How is it a person could legally be put in jail?
@@Genesh12 parents have a responsibility to provide for their family no matter what, no excuses.
I'm not sure about "no matter the excuses" but generally yes.
But . . . But . . . Back in the early 80s there were people standing in lines to apply for jobs for positions that were rumored to be available. It was much like 2008/2009. You did your best that’s what counts.
Debtors prison should be illegal no matter how the the collectors justify it.
I agree as far as medical bills? But if you move into a house or take a loan and refuse to make payments even if its only 30$ a week. Imprisonment should be a penalty at some point. Its basically theft by deception.. that said there should be many oppurtunitys for a payment plan. Some people refuse to pay their bills. Like getting a loan for a car and not making payments, then going and hiding the car in fear of repo
In the 1900 the feds gov passed law making debtors prison not legal
Problem with "payment plans" is they can reject partial payments and the 'plans' they come up with are too high for the person to pay.
@@FastSloW-qt8xf which is why I'm not getting an abdominal aortic aneurysm fixed. Being in PA, I could get it fixed, not be able to pay the lordly medical bills and end up in prison.
So, when it ruptures, I'll literally drop dead.
It happened to me. Nine years ago I was sitting in my living room reading the newspaper around 9am. Suddenly a cop knocked on my door when I opened it I seen 4 yes 4 cop cars from 2 different counties. I was 56 at the time and had never been arrested for anything in my life. I was cuffed and took out of my house while my wife daughter and granddaughter watched. My granddaughter was hysterical crying that someone was hurting her grandpa. I was taken to county jail first for a hour there was no room there so I was taken to the main prison 30 miles away. It was January in Indiana and very cold they took my shoes and coat and put me in a holding cell. They said they will call me in a few minutes to explain everything. The holding cell was suppose to hold 20 people max. There was 8 people in there when was stuck in there. I was called up the the desk to make my call at 1am !!!! 14 hours later !!!! The holding cell I was in held 20 max by this time there was 32 people in there sitting on ice cold concrete slabs. Was treated like a animal for 72 hours till I had court. The 500 dollars I owed for a MRI ending up costing me 1753.00 in costs to get out. After the first night I was put in the general population and in this prison was mainly killers and rapist. The worst part was I now have a record for the first time in my life. Should have never happened because my insurance told me they will take care of the bill, so I had no idea why I was being arrested until 1am , 16 hours after being taken from my house. Trust me everyone it can happen to you.
Thar's Socialism for ya.
@@davidlafleche1142 Idiot.
if you get fired from your job for having to go every time to cort can you file a lawsuit?
I would think so they are harassing you and caused you a loss of income, if they are so determined to get paid why not just garnish? or have them pay a little something every month? my brother did not make much but he was always able to pay something on his medical bills.
It's so good to not have any medical bills in Canada!
This seems questionable, at some point they are making it hard for them to earn money with constant court appearances.
It scares the next guy so they are happy.
I watched a video where this guy owed child support. He just got a job. The judge put him in jail because the job was not guaranteed 40 hours a week. Then he loses the job. The ex wife was laughing in court.
So you telling me I can drag someone or company to court over and over till they miss one? this is great i am going to start suing everyone TY
Perhaps this indicates that USA should have a universal health care system?
When I worked for Accouttemps, they sent me to Loudon Healthcare to do medical billing. It did not take me long to figure out that there was a practice of hounding individuals and letting insurance companies slide. I had an account with a grandmother on the hook for 70k due to her grandson being killed in a motorcycle accident. I reluctantly contacted her and learned her financial situation. Having worked in banking for about 11 years; I asked if they had a way to write off balances in extreme hardships; the managing vp had a cow and said to do it her way. Since it was a temp job, I went above her head and talked with one of the board members. I told them that between Blue Cross and Aetna they had about 5M, yes $5 million in outstanding debt due. We agreed if could get the balance from the insurance companies, the grandmother would be off the hook. So, I worked my phone magic; when you call a corporation and they try to blow you off, don't ask for the money, ask for the name of their counsel and legal address and say, "Oh, we don't want the money, we just need a physical address". Suffice it to say, I started getting phone calls which I immediately put on hold and went and had a smoke and came back to that beautiful blinking light on my desk phone. They paid in 22 days and the grandmother got her debt written off. I did not bother to go back to that place because I knew I was going to fired by the managing vp. I would never work medical billing again.
i had this same thing happen to me in shawnee county, kansas. i owed hospital bills for my spouse and also for my son. i went to court to pay a traffic ticket and was arrested for those hospital bills. i hadnt even been notified that i was being sued for them, and it wasnt my bills because i had medicaid as did my son but not my husband. since i was employed and we were legally married they considered me responsible for his debts. and so after i was arrested and paid a fine my name was added to an attatchment of "my body" and i was required to go to the civic center once per month along with appx 500 other people and prove i was still in possession of "my body". so once per month i was required to take time off of a job that had no replacement for me to do this until that job replaced me. the only way to stop this was to move out of state. 20 years later they still have a bench warrant for me in the state of kansas on this matter.
Coffeyville is my hometown. I'm so ashamed of what's going on down there.
Brian Eubanks Ever see Reign of Fire?
Yes, and that's the sole reason I watched it. :)
The place should be a ghost town after all the toxins have been released there over the last 70 years ad now a "flood spill" too !
www.kansas.com/news/article1070968.html
I was in Reign of Fire, @@winger468. Pretty fun. This isn't just Coffeyville, it's all of Kansas.
Reign of Fire is awesome, my favorite of Matthew McConaughey's roles. Van Zan was such a badass.
If you are caught on the hamster wheel, please pay a bankruptcy attorney instead of waiting until you miss one of these appointments.
Put me in jail. I don't have money. I stay in jail. 3 hots and a cot. Let me out and play the game over and over again. I lost my job because of getting tossed into debtors prison. So there I stay. 3 hots and a cot. Better than living out in the open prairie in winter!
You owe for medical bills because you don't have enough money to pay for insurance. So you go to jail. You don't have the $500 to get out so you sit there fir a few months until you get rescheduled. During that time, your kids get put in foster care because you aren't there to care for them. That costs taxpayers a lot of money. You lose your job because they don't let you out of jail to go to work. And then lose your home because you aren't able to pay the rent while you are in jail not working. When you finally get out, you're homeless so the state won't give you back your kids, costing even more money. A few months later, you still can't get a job because no one will hire someone who doesn't have a place to shower or do laundry and shows up to interviews dirty. You eventually get a crappy minimum wage job, rent a room, and work on getting your kids back. You get sent another notice to appear but it is sent to your old address so you never get it. You get tossed in jail for not showing up... and repeat.
This costs the state a lot more than if they had just provided medical coverage in the first place. Plus it is traumatic to the children. They suffer abandonment issues and behavioral problems for the rest of their lives, making it hard for them to get any education. They end up in crappy jobs without medical coverage...
And this is supposed to be a 'great country'?
"If they would rather die," said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population." - 1843 Charles Dickens
Michael Katt - and leave the debt to their heirs? Inheriting debt ?
"The world needs ditch diggers, too!" ~Caddyshack
They charged me 20 thousand for two days and only gave me a pain killers. Umm. There’s the problem. If the cost of medicine treatment we’re reasonable they would have less issues. Medical system is a scam. I paid my 10% $2000. And I just don’t go for anything anymore. I would rather die than go back to a filthy practice we call medicine.
I'm surprised that someone hasn't filed a class action against these medical companies for their predatory practices.
Your class action is misplaced. It's collection companies that do this. This attorney is working for JDB (Junk Debt Buyer) collection companies. The hospital or medical facility has long written off the debt and sold it. That debt is bought for pennies on the dollar.
@@Newokie59 Are you 100% certain of the facts? features.propublica.org/medical-debt/when-medical-debt-collectors-decide-who-gets-arrested-coffeyville-kansas/
Young people are voting with their feet- moving away from areas like this.
This was an informative post. Thank you. It would be a nightmare to move to a state with laws like this, unaware.
Patricia Blue - we need a list of he states to avoid that have these practices? You don’t want any emergency room visit there in any context
@@kevinj8258 No one "wants" an Emergency Room visit; it's usually a last-resort measure, to alleviate pain or remedy an immediate medical situation.
Who the fuck in their right mind ? Would move to Kansas, in the 1st. Place.
Remember slavery was a law
@thunderbird002 Well, slavery itself was never a law, it's just the act of owning people for forced labor. There were however several laws pertaining to and permitting slavery.
Of it wasn't illegal
Then it was legal
Aka a law....
@@j.rob.5943 No
@thunderbird002 While completely wrong, not only was it legal it was constitutionally written into the Constitution and took amendments to remove the legality and constitutionally of it.
@thunderbird002 for many people, including thankfully Quakers, it was immoral.
What if the postal worker puts your notice in a neighbor's mailbox by mistake and you are jailed because you didn't show up then can't post bail and get fired from your job? Yes at least several times a year I get neighbors mail in my mailbox or my mail gets delivered into my neighbor's mailbox. The apartment across the hall is vaccent, yet mail still gets out into that mailbox, but no one there to see it if it isn't theirs but mine.
Dragging people in repeatedly seems ethically questionable.
The American health care system and debt collection system is a public embarrassment.
I also have the right to know what something is going to cost before I buy it.
Hospitals work the other way around. You use their services, then they throw a bill at you.
Only in America! You've got one sick country there.
I think your videos provide a great service. Thank you.
I'm glad you accurately spoke on this. The local news was ignoring skipping the court date twice. It's a bad rule here in Kansas... I have empathy for them as my health isn't the greatest and we spend thousands a year to keep me alive and functional... Don't ever get run over by a semi and then 20years later have a double fusion to fix the broken vertebra from the accident...
Americans are completely insane to allow this system to survive.
Best case I've ever heard in favor of medicare for all. Nobody should go to jail for medical bills.
If this were me, I'd show up to court in dirty rags with a battery powered stereo playing Company Store loud enough to clip. Or flee to a state where this BS isn't tolerated.
This is an end-run around the law against jailing people for debt. It also directly harms the poorest and sickest among us. Disgusting really.
Jailing somebody for contempt due non-appearance - which may well be due to having to work two jobs to pay their family’s medical bills - isn’t a good way to have people, you know, make money to pay bills.
It’s criminal that this is even allowed.
The USA is the only "first
world country" where these types of atrocities could happen.
We need both Medicare-for-all AND to debt reform to stop these atrocities!
As long as we have Republicans, that will never happen.
M4A doesn't mean what though think it does. Every D20 plan covers every illegal alien, that means anyone who can get here.
It means a low paid bureaucrat or computer decides what your doctor is allowed to do based on your age, disability, taxpayer status, and BMI.
It means reduced access to cancer care and increased cancer mortality. Every country with nationalized health insurance has substantially higher cancer death rates than the US. Cancer is expensive to treat. Restricting access to cancer care is how these countries lower spending.
@@fishgutz4272
[Part 3]
As briefly as I can, I will respond to some commonly heard criticisms regarding the government getting involved with health care.
Some bring up the issue of 'medical tourism’ into the US because our healthcare is thought to be so "envied" around the world.
Even "if" the health care in the US does “exceed all others" (which is a highly questionable assumption), that is little comfort to Americans who cannot ACCESS it.
I will also note that many US citizens go abroad for affordable medical care each year. Some are even SENT abroad by their insurance companies!
www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/17/14-Million-Americans-Will-Go-Abroad-Medical-Care-Year-Should-You
When it comes to prescriptions, many Americans and even state medical systems are turning towards our Canadian neighbors.
"Some US states are proposing to import medicines in bulk from Canada, where many drugs are cheaper thanks to government price controls (emphasis mine)".
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/01/prescription-drugs-costs-us-import-canada)
Another argument concerning the ACA is that some people were forced to change their healthcare plans owing to the fact that Obamacare mandated that all health insurance plans had to meet certain standards (discussed above), just as many other life-and-death industries do.
I do not relish having to defend the ACA for the reasons that I already stated, but I cannot ignore such mind-numbing distortions of reality.
The insurance policies that were "lost" under the new ACA standards were usually 'junk' plans to begin with that did not include such necessities as pregnancy care, eye care, prescriptions, etc..
REAL, compliant, health insurance plans were then made available to those individuals.
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jun/21/donald-trump/white-house-tweet-wrongly-says-obamacare-led-fewer/)
I will touch upon the subject of health care costs.
Regardless of the anti-guaranteed healthcare propaganda that has been drummed into people via conservative media, most countries with universal healthcare pay LESS per-capita for health care than the US does, AND they have better outcomes.
"Despite spending more on health care, Americans had poor health outcomes, including shorter life expectancy and greater prevalence of chronic conditions".
"Even though the U.S. is the only country without a publicly financed universal health system, it still spends more public dollars on health care than all but two of the other countries".
"Finally, despite its heavy investment in health care, the U.S. sees poorer results on several key health outcome measures such as life expectancy and the prevalence of chronic conditions".
www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/issue-briefs/2015/oct/us-health-care-global-perspective)
Finally, this tragic death.
Deamonte Driver was a 12-year-old, homeless child, who died an AVOIDABLE death in 2007, from an abscessed tooth. That is correct, something as treatable as an abscessed tooth!
His family's Medicaid coverage had lapsed, and his mother had difficulty finding a dentist that would treat him.
www.mediamatters.org/research/2013/09/27/because-fox-asked-here-are-examples-of-people-w/196139)
If the US had universal healthcare, Deamonte--like everyone else--would automatically be covered.
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(Part 2) There is the uniquely "American" problem of ill individuals aging out of their parent's insurance plans.
Before the enactment of the ACA, the cutoff age for young adults being taken off their parent's plan was 18-22. Under the ACA, it is 26, which is STILL not good enough to prevent the deaths and suffering of patients such as Alec Raeshawn.
Alec had a very TREATABLE condition, Type 1 Diabetes. He required regular injections of insulin to live.
He died of Diabetic ketoacidosis, which is when your body doesn't have get enough insulin.
"Your blood sugar gets so high that your blood becomes highly acidic, your cells dehydrate, and your body stops functioning".
Alec made around 35,000 a year, which was enough to disqualify him from both Medicaid or insurance subsidies in Minnesota.
"Alec's pharmacist told him his diabetes supplies would cost $1,300 a month without insurance - most of that for insulin".
The "best" plan that he could find had a $450 monthly premium, and an annual deductible of $7,600.
"Alec decided going uninsured would be more manageable.''
Alec was found dead less than a month after going off of his mother's insurance.
"His family thinks he was rationing his insulin - using less than he needed - to try to make it last until he could afford to buy more. He died alone in his apartment three days before payday. The insulin pen he used to give himself shots was empty".
www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/09/01/641615877/insulins-high-cost-leads-to-lethal-rationing
Not only would people dealing with mental health conditions or drug dependency have had to pay much higher premiums, many may not have been covered at all!
States would have been able to get waivers that could have allowed insurance providers to deny coverage of some health services, including mental health and substance abuse treatments.
As the article referenced above has pointed out, if those with serious mental health conditions are left untreated, suicides are at serious risk of increasing.
"Adding to the number of suicides (assisted or not) will be some of the millions of mentally ill people who will be taken off their medication".
www.huffpost.com/entry/trumpcare-mental-health_n_590b5576e4b0104c734c94c1
Since mental illness as a driver of mass shootings, legislation should be proposed to make it easier--rather than HARDER--to access mental health treatment.
www.mic.com/articles/188004/republicans-say-mental-health-care-prevents-mass-shootings-theyve-tried-to-gut-mental-health-care
The implications for the mentally-ill would be grim if key provisions of the ACA were repealed, which Trump attempted to do in his first year in office.
Owing to the SCOTUS ACA ruling, Medicaid expansion--which was designed to be nationwide, is left to the option of each state.
The only reason possible for many Republican governors--who have the best tax-supported medical care available for themselves and their families--to refuse to implement this life-saving portion of the ACA is their political hatred of former President Obama, period.
A new University of Michigan study estimates that 15,600 people nationwide have died because their states refused the Medicaid expansion. The annual rate of such avoidable deaths in Texas alone is 730, according to the studies.
amp.caller.com/amp/1932174001
Here is the story of how one of Florida's residents--and her now three orphaned children--paid the ultimate price for living on "this" side of the Atlantic, and in a "red" state.
Charlene Dill is one of thousands--if not millions--of US citizens that should have been eligible for Medicaid-expansion.
She was a 32-year-old mother of three. She made too much income to qualify for Florida's regular Medicaid plan, but too little to qualify for federal subsidies to buy a plan on the ACA's private exchanges.
She had a documented heart condition, but went years without the care she needed because she couldn’t afford it.
She collapsed and died on a stranger’s floor on one of her THREE jobs when she was attempting to sell a vacuum cleaner.
thinkprogress.org/this-32-year-old-florida-woman-is-dead-because-her-state-refused-to-expand-medicaid-431e2e37d9d1/
Florida is another state refusing the Medicaid expansion.
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[Part 1]
I will start out by clearly stating that Obamacare would NOT be my first choice for a national healthcare system.
It continues to make health insurance too expensive for many by allowing “private insurance middlemen" to gobble-up huge amounts of premium-payer money. Most of the deductibles and co-pays associated with ACA plans are outrageous, and discourage people from getting medical care when they need it.
IF Obama had included a public option to his plan--as he had originally pledged to do--the costs mentioned above would likely be much less than they currently are.
While some paste a very "rosy" picture for healthy people prior to the ACA, they simply refuse to even consider how unregulated private insurance companies treated some of those who needed health care the most.
The best parts of the ACA are the patient protections and the Medicaid expansion. Patient protections--including barring insurers from excluding those with pre-existing health conditions, or from imposing life-time insurance caps. It also requires that mental illnesses be covered, and it requires that pregnancy and childbirth be covered.
It also expands the age from 18-22 to 26 that adults can remain on their parent's health insurance.
These reforms have helped millions get and retain coverage.
The Medicaid-expansion associated with the ACA has ALSO greatly expanded health care access in the states that have adopted it.
On balance, Obamacare has saved lives over the 'healthcare system" that was in place before its enactment.
Studies show that if Obamacare were straight up repealed and we returned to the pre-ACA era, 22 million people lose insurance, and more than 24,000 preventable deaths would occur each year.
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/14/14921962/ahca-mortality-gun-homicides
"Prior to the ACA, about 12.6 million non-elderly adults were denied coverage due to having a pre-existing condition in the previous three years. This represents 36 percent of all consumers who tried to purchase health insurance directly from an insurance company in the individual insurance market".
"Another method for denial was through a process called rescission. This involves applicants with expensive conditions, such as cancer, being denied coverage based on their initial health status questionnaire. Insurers retroactively cancelled applicants’ entire policies if any condition was missed. Policies could be cancelled if medical conditions were unrelated, or applicants weren’t aware of the condition at the time. Entire families’ coverage could have been revoked, as well".
"Before the ACA’s start, 35 states offered those consumers denied coverage in the individual insurance market or otherwise unable to obtain insurance a high-risk pool option. This insurance imposed pre-existing condition exclusions for six months to one year. During this time, the actual condition that made someone uninsurable isn’t covered. These insurance options are also typically much more expensive than traditional plans".
healthnetwork.com/blog/before-the-aca-1-in-7-people-were-denied-coverage-because-of-pre-existing-conditions-today-none/
Below is an example of how rescission worked to prevent even "insured" patients from receiving the life-saving treatment that they needed.
"Robin Beaton found out last June she had an aggressive form of breast cancer and needed surgery -- immediately.
Her insurance carrier pre-certified her for a double mastectomy and hospital stay. But three days before the operation, the insurance company called and told her they had red-flagged her chart and she would not be able to have her surgery.
The reason? In May 2008, Beaton had visited a dermatologist for acne. A word written on her chart was interpreted to mean precancerous, so the insurance company decided to launch an investigation into her medical history.
Beaton's dermatologist begged her insurance provider to go ahead with the surgery.
Still, the insurance carrier decided to rescind her coverage. The company said it had reviewed her medical records and found out that she had misinformed them about some of her medical history.
Beaton had listed her weight incorrectly. She also didn't disclose medication she had taken for a pre-existing heart condition -- medicine she wasn't taking when she originally applied for coverage. [CNN, 6/16/09]"
www.mediamatters.org/research/2013/09/27/because-fox-asked-here-are-examples-of-people-w/196139
Remember the talk about "death panels"? Guess what, they are REAL, they are the US private health insurance companies!
Now, an example of how lifetime insurance capswere used to deny patients care, sometimes causing DEATHS.
Most average-health people likely paid little attention to the $1 million life-time cap that private insurers placed on individuals pre-ACA, unless they or a family member became seriously ill and needed continuing healthcare.
Kelly and Tom Treinen were no exception. In fact, they chose their plan because the premiums were lower than another plan offered to them which offered a $5 million lifetime insurance cap.
"Then doctors diagnosed their teenage son, Michael, with an aggressive form of leukemia in May 2007. His treatment called for 10 doses of a chemotherapy drug that cost $10,000 per dose. A 56-day stay in an intensive care unit cost about $400,000.
Michael reached his $1 million lifetime maximum in less than a year. The Noblesville, Ind., family had to issue a public plea for help after a hospital told them it needed either $600,000 in certified insurance or a $500,000 deposit to continue preparing for a critical bone marrow transplant.
The Treinens raised $865,000 in six days. Money came from all over the United States and as far away as Germany. But Michael’s cancer had stopped responding to chemotherapy, and he died May 25 before he could receive the transplant".
www.nbcnews.com/id/25644309/ns/health-health_care/t/health-insurance-caps-leave-patients-stranded/
This 6-year-old boy was luckier, because he was born (prematurely) just SIX DAYS after Obamacare had abolished life-time caps on medical care.
"He was born seven weeks premature and spent the first six months of his life in the hospital. He still has significant health issues due to a rare genetic disease. He has been under anesthesia more than 45 times". His family had spent more than $2 million during his FIRST hospital stay.
His family is lobbying to keep that patient protection in place, while Republicans have given mixed messages about this provision as well as other ACA patient protections.
They often speak of leaving them in place, but the House-passed Trump alternative to the ACA--the 'American Health Care Act' would allow big employers to reinstitute lifetime payment limits".
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/6/21/15842780/senate-health-care-lifetime-limits
Public shaming of the sick and poor!
Having friends in the England, Sweden, Canada... I have learned how their healthcare and education systems operate. Anybody against those systems are against moving in the correct direction. Stress is a major health issue, and the last thing a person or family dealing with a major health issue needs is the stress of added financial hardship due to medical bills. The only people that can truly afford the amazing healthcare available in the US for any length of time are the politicians that keep undermining change while taking the cash from those lobbyists.
Bryan Jones well, you're not wrong.
This is total bull. Sue the hell out of the judge and everyone involved in this scam!
The rest of the developed world somehow manages to avoid bankrupting people who need medical care.
That 's a great statement till you also have to add in that other countries who have this enlightened system let people die because the system gets to decide who is worthy.
@@Grumpyagain Compared to say the 45,000 people who die because they lack insurance. Compared with countries that have lower rates of infant mortality, higher life expectancy and lower cost. I'm living with stage 4 melanoma currently. The last time I had a treatment change, it took a month to get prior approval from my insurance, for the hosptial to negotiate a copayment arrangement, and to get the drug delivered. Anecdotal, sure. No more so than the claims that people are allowed to die.
Years ago I saw someone jailed in Dallas for unpaid utility bill in KY. It wasn't contempt. The theory was that the utility was owned by a government agency, therefore theft from the local government. I think the bill was around $200. KY paid to extradite her back,too.
Straight up horse crap. sad public officials think it okay reminds me of the judge that treated that 70 year old man poorly for not mowing when he had cancer. Only someone privileged in life thinks that way
The " Attorney" That's just doing his job helped draft the law with the local Judge .. Sweet deal for them !
They all eat at the same table at lunch time.
It reminds me of the judge in Sapulpa, Oklahome who decides bail amounts who also owns the bail bond business closest to the Court House. Convenient is an understatement.
Not only do they all eat at the same table at lunch time . . . . They're all "officers of the court" . . . . Including the attorney "representing" YOU!
Face it, being broke in America now makes you less than a citizen and more of a serf beholden to the corporations and the legal system is now their tool to make you a serf. What makes it worse is when the debt is not even yours: my brother in law has a very common name and is regularly contacted by debt collectors from all over the country saying that he owes them money. He has been sued multiple times and been forced to go to court to prove he is not the person who owes the debt. Imagine if he missed a court date and ended up being locked up for a debt that is not even his?? But that's entirely possible under today's legal practices.
Living in the United Kingdom is the best possible thing! We're all in it together.
I can understand both parties but at some point you've just gotta have a heart. If the debtor literally has $100 to his name, the expense of commuting to court may be financially burdensome.
The system needs to change, but that takes actual work and too firm of a stance.
and ruinous to the victim
There's definitely a line for compassion, and I'd say chemo treatment for a child is within the line.
Exactly. These aren't human
I am retired. I have decided to sit in jail to pay off any, and all "court costs", fines, and fees. In Houston you are credited $50 per day, but it costs the county $120 per day to jail you! BREAK THE SYSTEM! 😜
Oh right one more thing to add step sisters husband didn't seek medical help he had a blemish on his inner thigh...He could not really afford to see a doctor at that time.
Turned out to be melanoma he's dead now ..... USA medical SUCKS
It is disgraceful to think that medical service in the U.S.A is for the lucky ones ... its the most expensive and the worst in the western world...... can you imagine putting someone in jail for medical costs WTF is wrong with you people
Not American so I'd prefer this not become political. Just wanted to share my experience:
My father had a life threatening medical condition and the Canadian hospital he was admitted to did not have an available specialist (at the time of his admission) to do the surgery he needed. It was decided to transfer him to an American hospital (we are border adjacent) as it would be faster than sending him to the nearest Canadian hospital with the staff on hand.
As his proxy I was surprised at the constant snide comments about the quality of Canadian healthcare (why couldn't they do it there huh?) until complications meant he started needing further procedures unrelated to the initial condition. You could literally see the surprise and shock when I was asked to give consent for these other needed procedures and gave it without hesitation or concern for cost (he is covered by provincial insurance in this situation).
I cannot fathom what it would be like to make these decisions while having to consider the possibility that someone I love could be saved but cannot be because of money, or saved but have their lives ruined from then on.
It did not matter to me that the lights in his room were brass, or that the monitors were state of the art LED screens. All that mattered was that he returned home alive and well, and could resume his life without any further stressors.
Three times I was offered devices at three different medical clinics, and for each place I asked if my insurance paid for them. All three of them said yes. Then all three of them sent me a bill as they said my insurance did not pay for them. I did not pay for any of them, but was threatened with collections each time. They did not get a nickle.
If you find yourself in this situation you need to seek the protections of bankruptcy that's what I'm doing now I have nothing on my credit history except medical bills they was all behind I was near homeless no job use the law back to your advantage consult the bankruptcy lawyer
I was going to suggest this as well.. tho not sure if bankruptcy can be used to set aside a monetary judgement by a court. I know it did not work for my father when he was told it would set aside his old student loan from the 1970's. It may only work for specific kinds of debt.
. yes student loans are forever. But everything else i think it covers
In IL a creditor can force appearance of a debtor only once every six months. See IL S Ct Rule 277 (f) When Proceeding Terminated.
My first job as an attorney was doing medical collections. I lasted only 8 months. I saw hundreds of people who had no hope of ever paying the hospital bills, but almost all of them wanted to try to make some payment. I quit the day after an old woman thanked me for not putting her in jail because she couldn't pay. After I spoke with that old woman I just couldn't live with myself doing that job. Of course, the law does not allow jail for that but she had been told that if she didn't pay should could go to jail. And the folks who can't pay are the very same folks who won't seek medical help until they are gravely ill. Why? because they can't afford a simple visit to a doctor.
No mention of when this happens in other states while you are traveling. Go to the EMERGENCY ROOM and get a automatic bill for anything. No insurance and they send the bill to you. Wrong address. - how about a warrant for your arrest due to not finding you with a bill you never got, in a state you never travel through much? For $10000 in medical for 20 years?
If the dr weren't required to give service this would be bad but since they are required to help people the people should be required to pay. This is a good thing. If you have to go to court to say you can't pay then you have to go to court if you don't pay, sounds like free healthcare.
What frightens me most about medical debt is that, should I find myself in some sort of accident where I end up unconscious, there is an assumption made that I want an ambulance/air ambulance, and full medical care. There is no method that I'm aware of to make a record of my decision against this in advance. This decision, made on my behalf, results in bills which I'm responsible for.
The rationale for this is that obviously, saving your life is the most valuable thing in your life, and as such any rational patient would consent to the ambulance, air ambulance, emergency surgeries, etc. Whether the patient has said services covered by their insurance or not.
It makes sense on one level, but for myself, I would not wish to incur expensive medical procedures, especially in the later part of my life. I've worked and saved for many years not for myself, but to leave something for my daughter. If I were to, for example, learn than I had cancer, and were conscious to make the decision, I wouldn't wish to extend my life a "few more years" at the expense of her future. I suspect there are a number of parents who would feel the same way.
So... It's not just the debt we agree to that scares me, it's the debt that is assigned on our behalf, the pre-authorized procedures where the insurance company reverses their decision after the fact, the in-network hospitals contracting out-of-network doctors which aren't covered, the procedures which come with costs that aren't communicated in advance to the patients/families (and in most cases, aren't even known or understood by the doctors beforehand).
have a medical proxy form and someone to enforce foryou, I have one and my hubby has one, and always and I meanalways when dealing with a emergency always challenge/reneogotiate bills you get if you have no insurance. never pay what they are offering/charging, once you start paying you have contracted with them to pay what htey ask for no insurance company ever pays what doctors and hospitals ask for and you shouldnt either. challenge never accept, the contract is not valid until you agree to pay the bills sent.
Honestly, it sounds like every facet of the US is turning into a business.
Another example of the ongoing effort to criminalize poverty.
I wonder how much money the judges get kicked back from the lawyers? This is just lawless behavior and needs to stop.
Lol. Yes I agree that the law claims you have to pay it. However. A bad trip to the hospital with no insurance can cost you many times what a poor person earns in a lifetime. Throwing someone in jail for this doesn't seem to help.
And how!
I owe just over 9.2 million after me and my wife got hit by a girl in a Durango . Ill never get out of jail.my wife of 27 years died and ill go to jail.sounds about right.i say make the girl that hit us pay the bill.
So basically he got jailed for failing to show up for court, not really directly for simply not paying.
They can keep dragging you in until for some reason you can't show up. And confiscating bail money is not right.
The government cult's rules are so confusing and purposely so.
Another bail related gotcha to watch out for has to do with public defenders. I went to court on a DWI in Houston back in the 80's. One of the other defendants in court that morning had a public defender. When his case was called this public defender told the judge her client had posted a cash bond to get out of jail. The judge then released the public defender, who then walked out leaving her client standing there to defend himself. You can't have a public defender if you have money.
Love your channel Steve! Thanks for the quality info😎
Another aspect of this repeated ordering to appear in court is, if you do have a job, your employer can become tired of constantly giving time off of work to go to court. I've seen happen as well, where people are faced with the prospect of either risking jail for not showing up, or losing your job if you take off repeatedly.
And what about those people that never get the notice to appear?
Where I live, "gutter service" is a common practice. (that's where the person serving papers leaves them somewhere near your home and reports you as served, yet the person served is completely unaware of it)
If this process is used, when does the patient get to defend against improper or unagreed billing? I understand that collection agents are known to evaluate things and correct billing mistakes such as when a sales person pads an order with unwanted items. Has it ever been tested whether a medical office can add unwanted things perhaps that a patient didn't want but that a staff person did only for their own benefit?
No one has any idea what medical service is going to cost.
and it is very rare that anyone is in the position to negotiate.
You are sick/injured and at the mercy of a system that no one can understand.
Resolving this is the most important domestic issue in the USA
Not supposed to be a debtor's prison here in America.
Unfortunately all these issues are unlikely to be resolved by anything less than the business end of a shotgun.
No self respecting judge would allow his court to be used as a strong arm collection shakedown like this Kansas character. The citizens of that municipality should be embarrassed.
The judge , lawyer, bailiff are all getting a kickbacks. Coffeeville is a dump, they're just finding clever ways to fleece the citizens. They need to vote out the crooked judge and get one in that is actually for the people and fighting real crime, not money grabbing for their rich buddies...
Medical bills? What the hell are they? Fortunately I've only lived in civilised countries with free health care.
@@glasslinger from what I've read you guys pay about ten times more for insurance than what we pay in tax contributions,not to mention you're being ripped off on drugs,and then the insurance companies apply the small print and say "sorry you're not covered for that". Whether I've got a small cut or need major surgery,no quibbles it just gets done. Also no fat cats profiteering off people's health problems,whatever way I look at it you guys are getting screwed big style.
Evil. Truly evil. Yes sir, The Land of the Free...
Land of the fleeced.
Coffeyville, KS, getting awful close to home for me.
I know for a fact they were doing this in il. in the 90's
Don't pay for a service that was provided? Isn't that theft?
What happens when you or your children or spouse are dying? Just let them die to avoid "theft"?
@@michaelthearchangel8508 Hey, I'm just playing devils advocate. I think it's abhorrent behavior of courts to arrest people with medical debt.
technically yes, but so is abusing the emergency to price gouge people without enough insurance or no insurance. but just work with the hospital there has to be a way to avoid a big bill that is agreeable to both parties. dont let the courts get involved unless they are adamant in getting you to pay full price.
What does that court do to folks who can't get the bail money? I'm wondering how long do they keep them locked up and if that creates a strain on the jail and the county's resources. Especially if that inmate is sick.
Steve, You’re a good dude. You’ve been spreading truth and helping people educate themselves for years here on RUclips. I appreciate you and what you do. You’re a good dude. Some people talk shit about lawyers but you are one of the good ones. I fuck with you bro. I don’t live in Michigan but if I did I would definitely call you first if I needed legal advice or service. Thank you, Take care & God Bless.
This is the worst. Medical charges are voodoo economics. Charges vary from region to region in excess of 1000% _ this is no an exaggeration.
Large non profits are often the most vigilant in pursuing medical debt. It is morally obscene
David Goldhill is the best advocate for consumers. Health care is a consumer issue.
So happy to live is Australia where we have a much better public health system.
So glad I live in a much more civilized country where medical debt is never an issue.
My medical care is covered by the VA. So I don’t have to worry about being imprisoned for not being able to pay my medical bills. Nor do I have to worry about having adequate medical care; I don’t, so there’s not point in worrying about it.
Know who else claimed “I was just doing my job”
One guess, It rhymes with Yazis and ends in superior race.
How much work does the Debtor miss to show up for the hearings and therefore have less money to pay the debt.
no, they won't jail you for debt only for disobeying a court order. it's the same thing.
The irony is we still pay thousands in insurance payments...but if we can’t afford the remainder etc...jail?
Sounds like people need to elect new judges.
Mine was unpaid medical debt, no job or assets, judge ordered me to pay anyway, then told me if i didn't pay he would jail me for contempt of court, for not obeying him.
Lawmakers & lawyers figure out a way to fleece the poor in their state.
Maybe, they should have just went to jail in the 1st place to get medical care! Because, we live in the land of the free.
This, not the land of free, it the land of up paid bill. Compete of court. Equal jail time.
We need to get rid of this cruel system.
If Bernie had his way, it would get even worse.
@@davidlafleche1142 Idiot.
I moved to south east Kansas to help my elderly parents and living around here is a whole different world. I think that there's something weird in the water.
Calling someone into court excessively definitely sounds vindictive in nature. I think there should be a limit to how often someone can call someone else in.
Here in deep south Texas its almost impossible to get medical care without insurance. If a person is critical they'll do the legal minimum to keep them alive. Otherwise no medical services.
what if you can pay out of pocket?
@@rosesmith6208 you can, they want pretty much of the whole bill paid. Very hard to get payments without insurance
Here in wisconsin I have never heard of bail money being returned. The county that collects the bail keeps it and it’s never refunded.
do they have to do this in your town? if they press this in a town a distance from you, what if you don't have the means to get to the court? what if it is in another state? can you clarify how far they can go with this? and if you don't have the money to pay, what if you don't have the $500 to give them???
Let them show up at my place looking to arrest me for owing some debt. I guarantee when they arrest me, there will be a real reason for it. And when you come, bring bags, lots of bags.
Just 1 bag needed for you. "They" have tanks and helicopter gunships that are impervious to your AR15's
J. Rob. No they just shoot People in the back because they fear for their lives 😮
@ Richard, You and me both pal. It'll be the last time those sorry sons of bitch's ever come for anyone with an arrest warrant.
If you were ordered by a court to pay the debt and then don't pay. You are arrested for failure to comply with the court order. Same thing has happened to me before for not paying a traffic ticket in Arizona
This is the kind of stuff that makes people look a Bernie Sanders favorably.
It's all fun and games until the forced labor camps and medical / food rationing kills you before age or a disease.
@@sbrazenor2 oh trust me, I know he is a con artist, but if I was getting thrown in jail every month for unpaid medical bills, I'd probably start believing his lies.
@@sbrazenor2 Exaggerate much? Most countries that have government run care don't have labor camps. Come on.
the problem with the youth thinking it makes him look favorable is exactly why they should run from him. This is the result of government taking control of this industry and leaving a thin veil of private markets appearance to it, and then provided them an avenue to collect debt. This gives government the ability to say its not us its evil corporations. Who was it that made medical bills exempt from bankruptcy claims?
@@bobr9605 Every single government that has taken even more control of the industry than the US has MUCH lower costs as a percentage of GDP. At some point you people are going to have to acknowledge that facts trump ideology every time.
Im from Kansas and I'm ashamed this is happening. Its disgusting and wrong on so many levels.
The Kansas State Association of Collection Attorneys got special collections courts set up in the bigger counties. In our county in Kansas, they had this setup going where the collection attorneys were the judges, and could issue their own contempt orders. They were bringing people in once a month. Eventually, the State Supreme Court got wind of this and changed that. At one time, prior to this change, they were using an arena as the court and bringing in 4-500 people every Tuesday.
wow!
My father passed away in 2014 and it has saddened me greatly to say that I'm glad that he did because he would absolutely be disgusted at what this nation has become. This is yet another example of absolute atrocity. Sad how it's become the norm.
@@glasslinger This is a singular example of many that's why I said "yet another example" this is greed plain and simple. Somebody literally had to sit there and find a loophole around the system that protects people from such things as medical bills not in order to pay the medical bill but rather in order to pay themselves as a result of a notification that somebody may or may not have gotten. That kind of thing, the kind of thing where people think of themselves before others has become the norm. That's where it is. That is of course unless you think that f_cking other people over is clever somehow in which case I would say to you respectfully, "there is simply nothing left to be said on your behalf"
How are they supposed to work & pay off this debt from prison? I don't understand this at all.