It was the right choice. People already call the movie long-winded and heavy on the worldbuilding - can you imagine the outrage if the movie would've been 40% of the Baron holding self-adulating monologs?! Way back when Herbert wrote the books, villains explaining their plans en detail in grand exposition-style monologs to the patiently listening henchman may have been acceptable still. But today, it has become so much of an overused trope, parodied to death and back to life, especially in animated superhero comedies, that people would just laugh the screenwriters and actors out of the theatre for thinking a babbling, ranting baron would be a good idea.
One of my biggest criticism of the book (and I don't have many) is that the Baron was an over-the-top caricature, which I always found a bit odd because the other characters are so well worked out. In this sense I think it was the right thing to change him a bit for the movie adaption.
Guys, the way you write a character in a book is NOT the way you write a character in a movie. Haven’t you heard of show don’t tell? In a book you HAVE to make them talk. In a movie you have to SHOW or the character is boring. Two different mediums.
My guess is that he probably wasn't particularly interested in doing a lot of lines in the fat suit. But it also suited Villeneuve's clinical, workmanlike approach toward the material.
I think this is actually a perfect explanation of why Dune isn't a book that can really properly be done in film/TV, it's probably 75% internal monologue with the rest being conversations involving political maneuvering that you have to figure out the context for over the course of reading it. It's fantastic to read, but it would be intensely annoying to watch.
People are missing the point. They’re different mediums and different artistic and technical decisions need to be made to evoke the same feeling. Books and movies have different strengths and you can never do a 1:1 adaptation either way
He explained it perfectly, this wasn’t the direction he and Denis went, it wasn’t a disrespect of the novel. The Baron is a bit overly verbose in the book IMO. He just lays out plot lines in flamboyant way. Stellan is FAR more sinister with less dialogue.
If it’s to add context to the world that would’ve otherwise been missed on the page, then Stellan being less talkative makes sense on the big screen. You can show a lot more in a film than you can in a book, plus the book has the advantage of being able to take up more of your time.
They did? There will never be a perfect film version of a book. The closest we’ll ever get is the lord of the rings trilogy, but that also makes changes to make the story to fit the screen better. Glorfindel who?
Dune miniseries is the most accurate and every version of the baron is different, I like Stellens most, he’s the scariest compared to the other mostly comical adaptations
He’s talking about his character. In the book, the Baron goes on long rambling monologues that would never work in a movie when trying to construct a menacing character. It can work in book, but not in a visual medium, so the book didn’t provide the inspiration he needed for his portrayal.
@@joshhiles7390 the speeches in the book don’t work, but the book as a whole does, and a few adjustments make it work phenomenally. Are you able to separate parts from a whole and acknowledge that not every aspect of a book must be included in movie adaptation?
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All you have to do is watch Dune 1984 to realise a chatty Baron wasn't exactly menacing.
even more so in the mini series.
Books aren't movies.
You tell the same story differently in one versus the other.
Untrue, good writers can describe any atmosphere with haunting detail
It was the right choice. People already call the movie long-winded and heavy on the worldbuilding - can you imagine the outrage if the movie would've been 40% of the Baron holding self-adulating monologs?!
Way back when Herbert wrote the books, villains explaining their plans en detail in grand exposition-style monologs to the patiently listening henchman may have been acceptable still. But today, it has become so much of an overused trope, parodied to death and back to life, especially in animated superhero comedies, that people would just laugh the screenwriters and actors out of the theatre for thinking a babbling, ranting baron would be a good idea.
One of my biggest criticism of the book (and I don't have many) is that the Baron was an over-the-top caricature, which I always found a bit odd because the other characters are so well worked out. In this sense I think it was the right thing to change him a bit for the movie adaption.
Guys, the way you write a character in a book is NOT the way you write a character in a movie. Haven’t you heard of show don’t tell? In a book you HAVE to make them talk. In a movie you have to SHOW or the character is boring. Two different mediums.
He’s badass 👍👍 and i wonder what the emperor will be 🤣
One of the all time greats, what a legacy he will leave us
My guess is that he probably wasn't particularly interested in doing a lot of lines in the fat suit. But it also suited Villeneuve's clinical, workmanlike approach toward the material.
yeah i think i’m gonna take Stellan’s idea of what an actor should and shouldn’t do over these goofy commenters lol
People who have power don't need to talk a lot.
I think this is actually a perfect explanation of why Dune isn't a book that can really properly be done in film/TV, it's probably 75% internal monologue with the rest being conversations involving political maneuvering that you have to figure out the context for over the course of reading it. It's fantastic to read, but it would be intensely annoying to watch.
People are missing the point. They’re different mediums and different artistic and technical decisions need to be made to evoke the same feeling. Books and movies have different strengths and you can never do a 1:1 adaptation either way
Previous potrayals of baron were lame maybe character is lame in the books i dont know…but this version felt more disturbing
Missed the entire point of why he talks so much in the book.
He explained it perfectly, this wasn’t the direction he and Denis went, it wasn’t a disrespect of the novel. The Baron is a bit overly verbose in the book IMO. He just lays out plot lines in flamboyant way. Stellan is FAR more sinister with less dialogue.
If it’s to add context to the world that would’ve otherwise been missed on the page, then Stellan being less talkative makes sense on the big screen. You can show a lot more in a film than you can in a book, plus the book has the advantage of being able to take up more of your time.
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He did not, he meant it was no use to him as a film character, because they are two different mediums.
Lot of nerds here who can't wrap their head around the differences between books and movies.
just respect the fking material
but he doesn't fucking write the screenplay.
They did? There will never be a perfect film version of a book. The closest we’ll ever get is the lord of the rings trilogy, but that also makes changes to make the story to fit the screen better. Glorfindel who?
you're brain dead
Dune miniseries is the most accurate and every version of the baron is different, I like Stellens most, he’s the scariest compared to the other mostly comical adaptations
He is not disrespecting the source material he’s saying the Baron in the book wouldn’t have translate to the screen as well, so he made some tweaks.
If the book was useless why did they adapt it?
He’s talking about his character. In the book, the Baron goes on long rambling monologues that would never work in a movie when trying to construct a menacing character. It can work in book, but not in a visual medium, so the book didn’t provide the inspiration he needed for his portrayal.
@@Ematchedsounds like they shouldn’t have adapted it since it would never work in a movie
@@joshhiles7390 no, it works phenomenally with just a few adjustments to capture the essence.
Do you know that novels are not screenplays?
@@Ematchedso would it “never work in a movie” or does it “work phenomenally” because you’ve said both things now and only one of them can be true.
@@joshhiles7390 the speeches in the book don’t work, but the book as a whole does, and a few adjustments make it work phenomenally.
Are you able to separate parts from a whole and acknowledge that not every aspect of a book must be included in movie adaptation?
He talks a lot 😂😂😂😂😂. Yeah u don't want the character to seem too intelligent 😂😂
Wrong
Movie characters need to show not tell so well done