@@Rachel_M_ I think the whole of the West is now having that same problem ? Even being mildly assertive is seen as "aggressive", with many little kids in schools now, especially boys, being treated like they are "Aggressive sociopaths" for being assertive or remotely physical. Shame is, the kids then don't get the chance to LEARN self control or restraint, so it is internalised to become actual mental health problems, OR externalised with NO restraint in a sadly binary, "nothing" or instant "FULL ON" friend or foe behaviour. Our lads being very definite with a bit of a slap to boot, did the JOB. Bish bosh, job done !
I mean if his allegations were true, which we will never know for sure either way, I'd say he has every right to complain. We live a country that believes in the Rule of Law, and the fact he was involved in a Prison Mutiny does not change that. If he was beaten to secure the building, that's lawful prevention of crime and disorder (namely prison mutiny), if it were revenge, that's a serious assault. Also being involved in a prison mutiny does not necessarily mean you intended every act that the mutiny did, and it is generally accepted that conditions there were beyond poor. 11 injuries to the head is always going to result in a lawsuit. The punishment is decided by the Court after the fact the SAS are there to bring things to an end and assist in presenting the individuals to the Court.
@@PCDelorian He has zero right to complain. Offenders shouldn't have any rights and its part of why society is awful. Murderers and what not take part in a riot, hold people hostage, throw objects off a roof which could easily kill or disfigure. They have lost all protection from the system and should be treated as vermin. It's also a mockery that people like that can waste tons of time and money in court.
@@PCDelorian Be real. Reminded me of The Simpsons, when Nelson attacks Bart, and in the aftermath Nelson is bleeding. He says "You made me bleed my own blood!" 😅 Typical bully behaviour, its okay when they do it.
What you are saying there is its brilliant he committed perjury and perverted the course of justice. It will of course never be proven, but he deserved court martial and discharge. The Court system cannot function if witnesses (especially those whose involvement comes from their profession on the side of the Crown) lie and falsify evidence. As great a quote as it may have been.
@@Davefacestation in the words of the Commanding Officer back in the 1986.. " if you wanted a gentle touch , you shouldn't have invited us to the Party"
We did a training exercise with the SAS. We were held hostage for 3 days in a disused hospital in Wales. On the last night these guys come flying in from absolutely nowhere wiped out the bad guys and rescued us all in the matter of minutes. Absolutely incredible force.
When we trained in FIBUA some DS took one of our corporals as a hostage. They put him in the roof room which had a window and only one guard. Our CSM ordered two of us to climb up and rescue him whilst our Rupert negotiated with the DS on the ground floor. We pulled the guard out by the barrel of his SLR and then our Corporal. The Rupert was not impressed when she was told what the CSM had done without her knowledge. The DS were surprised when we attacked as they didn't know the prisoner and their guard were now out of the building. Fun times.
"The self-styled 'hard men' of Scotland's toughest maximum security prison turned out to be as tough as new-born kittens, when faced with really hard men from the S.A.S" - Squadron Sergeant Major Peter Ratcliffe
Its amazing what you can do with surprise, speed and aggression on your side! I doubt Peter Ratcliffe would last 30 seconds in a stand up fight with some of those blokes!!
@@outdoorsocialist8774 When civvy 'killers' rely on fear and intimidation are met with trained killers there's only going to be one outcome and it's not going to be pretty. Keep your delusional thinking if you must but remember you're actually advocating for the very people who wouldn't think twice about ending your life if you got in their way, they're in prison for a reason. Think about it.
@@GoneFishin247 yes its a predictable response.... happens when its true. take the hint. unless you actually work there, you do not know.... and when you work there, you wouldn't be posting this. move on please...
The whole point of the flashbangs, the noise, the confusion etc is to give the SAS a short time window to deploy enough force to eliminate the combatants from the fight. The prisoners are lucky that the SAS had orders to avoid lethal force, otherwise it wouldn't have just been a beating they received.
I was thinking the same also, charging an SAS solder who has a browning 9m with a knife, it’s a miracle he was able to accidentally fall down the hole and not have many holes in him.
Charging an SAS solder who's got a Browning 9mm usually ends with an enquiry question of "Why did the suspect have 13 bullet holes in them?" "Because that's the capacity of a Browning 9mm magazine"
sas are always armed with a sense of humour. • • • the British were recruiting 3 people for the SAS...They gave them each a gun and said go and shoot your wife. The first man said “no I can’t do it”. The second man went in and came straight back out. And the third man shouted “FOR KING AND COUNTRY” Ten minutes later he came back out covered in blood everyone was shocked... He said “the gun you gave me was full of blanks so I had to kill her with a chair”
@@LUK77ACH em, my point was about something else. It didn't take the inmates 5 days to hold the prison under control. They took control of the prison on day one and kept control for 5 days.
"And he said the prisoner was not thrown 12ft from the attic to the gallery below... deliberately" That quote got me good 😂 They truly got the experience of the more you fuck around, the more you're going to find out
@@stewartmackay Don't blame them either, but at the time it was all politically motivated, something these days we tend to scrutinize more. Until the Iranian embassy siege the unit was probably happy to have a mythological status, I believe even though they were the right guys for the job I still think if you look back on it there was an underlying message being sent to other 'rogue' nations, since it was a period of hostage takings being rife with too many nations giving in to their demands.
Who did you speak to who was there? Well documented, put it up the data. I've been in the company of one of them. He never mentioned it. Feel free to dm me
I wonder if it was then, that the Corrections service decided to create a squad to deal with situations like this, instead of relying on the military for help.
An interesting story of Peterhead prison, is that Johnny Rominski was recruited out Peterhead prison during WW2. Johnny was a bank rober and explosive expert, who also had a knack for escaping from prisons. He was offered his freedom if he would train as a commando and be dropped behind enemy lines. Which he did.
I'm from the town. I've spoken to people who were there. One guy said that when the SAS came in it was almost instant. Smoke and then he felt the barrel at his back, no footsteps. Also as far as heavy handed goes, the convicts got off pretty lightly. The SAS arnt known for taking prisoners. They were sometimes used as kind of a threat, last chance or it was over
I owned a garage next to the prison Which stored band and disco equipment ,the police let me enter the area as it was out of view of the prison roof ,there was a blacked out land rover parked in front of it , I tapped on the window ,when the window lowered I was confronted by 4 fully armed sas soldiers , I honestly didnt know that adrenaline was brown ,but they actually moved to let me have access , probably the first time someone has asked the sas to move ,and they did
I love the story of the SAS showing good ol Maggie what they did by conducting a live fire exercise with her in one of the rooms. They threw in flash bangs went in shot some targets and when they turned the lights on magpies body guard was hiding on the floor next to her as she sat calmly in a chair in the middle of the room😂
Now that was a strange situation. Thatcher had tremendous respect for the SAS, especially after the Embassy where they performed admirably, and she seemed to have 'her boys' in mind from then on because they solved difficult problems. There's a strong argument that military should not be pushed into a policing role, or a non-lethal role that runs counter to their training, because essentially they're trained to fight with lethal means. Either they could kill in a situation that doesn't require it, or they could hesitate and get hurt by fighting against their training instincts. But, this was a fairly extreme situation, and arguing that anyone could have done better is a pretty hard task. Now, were they heavy handed? By police standards sure. By SAS standards? Nope. They were gentle, because SAS standards would have been to go in and eliminate all hostiles. Regardless, by this point the British public viewed the SAS as heroes, so there wasn't much public support for going after the SAS in favour of violent inmates. Especially after the damage caused to the prison by the inmates was costing the public about £55 million to repair. This would be a different situation in present day, but back then we had proper priorities.
She's why the country went to the dogs, no housing, sold it, no trains sold them, no clean water, electric too expensive for ordinary people, no gas sold, sold the family jewels now where broke living on credit, thanks Maggie, the witch is dead, oh and she closed most industries coal, steel so now we buy from China and India oh and they are on the rise, we're owned by everyone in the world
Theres a detailed first hand account of this in a book written by Peter Ratcliffe called Eye of the Storm. He was in the SAS from the 70s to mid 90s and was the Squadron sergeant major of the squadron who took part in this and was later RSM SAS during the 90-91 Gulf war
Another little known fact was that after the Pan AM 103 bombing and subsequent crash at Lockerbie the SAS where the first on scene. They just happened to be driving by on there way to or from a training exercise in Scotland. They stopped and searched for survivors and administered first aid to casualties that where on the ground when the plane came down. As first responders turned up and took over they melted away into the night.
The British government dont send the SAS in for a picnic. I trained with a few of them when I was at Weymouth, they do not fuck about, I nearly took a blank backfire to my face when training with them, thankfully I was the only sentry still awake on night duty. I still remember the dudes nickname "Chucky" was a short slim ginger fella, probably half my size (Hence the nickname) but the power in him, frack me..... Ive got all the respect for those boys in green for the training they do and the missions they go on. Mad respect 👌✊
Man only 6 minutes it took for them. Props! I am sure they hated this mission as it has nothing to with them since they are special forces. Probably like “let’s finish this quick gents”
I met the late warder Jackie Stuart and have done the prison museum tour a couple of times, including a private tour for our club before the official museum opening.
If you are a criminal that commits bad enough crimes to go here, only to take part in a riot with hostages, one of whom you are planning to set fire to, I don't think you can cry when the SAS knock your around a bit. Soldier T showed restraint by even bothering with the baton, and not going straight to the Browning.
The British public didn't know the SAS were involved in clearing the prison. The media weren't allowed to report much about the riot because there was a hostage. In the UK, the government can issue what's called a "D Notice" to all media -- banning them from reporting anything about a certain event. But I remember my dad saying the SAS had cleared the prison -- I'm guessing he put two and two together.
I believe that those items (like the hickory stick baton) are all at the Peterhead prison museum. Was up that way a few days back, so was a surprise to see you cover it 😂
The museum is the prison itself, the Peterhead prison was decommissioned and a new one was built in its place next door, u can see it in the footage! It’s now used fully for tours and a museum of prison life!
My guess was Royal Armouries in Leeds based on the other items on display and it looking somewhat familiar, they had a collection of riot gear on display at one point but not sure if its stil there
I remember that the SAS going in wasn't really that big on the news. I think back then the media were constrained when covering the SAS missions for security reasons. But this was a very clear example of taking control of an apparently out of control situation using professionals that can get the job done.
The SAS probably needed some light exercise that day. The cowards got a taste of their own medicine and then moaned like schoolgirls afterwards. At least they lived to tell the tale, unlike some of the victims they murdered and maimed.
A friend of mine was involved in this raid. They hammered the so called hard conns that didn’t know what hit them. There’s pretend hard men and real hard men. Don’t fk with the regiment, they’ll destroy you.😬
I don't think anyone tasked with enforcing the law in such a situation should have to handicap themselves by not being heavy-handed. The violent inmates they are against have clearly shown they are fine with heavy-handed tactics. The only problem with police brutality, in my opinion, is the asymmetry of it. There is no asymmetry in situations like this. This is heavy-handed tactics employed to deal with heavy-handed tactics. No foul.
This is correct. Most civil rights are thrown out in the case of emergencies when someone's life could potentially be in danger, especially a hostage situation. The US hasn't always followed those standards, but you better bet that most European countries absolutely do, especially the UK. If someone's life is in danger, getting them to safety as soon as possible is always the priority. If the people committing the crime get a few broken bones in the process, it doesn't really matter. Bones will heal, but dying can't be fixed.
Exactly. This wasn't a bunch of coppers weighing in on a guy in handcuffs in the back of the van. Once you're torturing hostages and threatening to throw people off rooftops all bets are off.
The cons never knew what hit them even though prisoners from other halls were shouting warnings to them and some were knocked out and thrown over the landings. First and last time the SAS will ever be involved in this type of op, all due to Thatcher who thought they were her boys.
You do not stab a warder several times and not expect a fight too free him. Well done the SAS. When they act they act and if you do not want them too hit you do not start what ever they are used for. ❤😂
At first the Police took credit for this until it come out that 22 reg. got it done in minutes. Job's like this have to be signed over for the Army (SAS) before they can draw up a DPA and at the end of the mission it gets sign back to the Police Force or Plod as all Squadies call them. Very similar to the Embassy siege in London, but that was all court on TV I don't think you'll ever see what the 22 reg actually do as they are highly trained and the official Secrets act that all British SAS/SBS have to sign. I am obviously British and ex-milatary, but I will always say they are the best in the World. Great Video and thanks for showing how great the UK's SF's are, Respect to you 👌
@4:12 its likely a museum now, like a lot of really old prisons, where you can probably do guided tours and 'ghost tours' at night. That face would scare the absolute shite out of you if a guide suddenly shone a torch on it in the pitch black, echoey and claustrophobic atmosphere, during a midnight ghost tour.
When I did senior Brecon one of the guys on the course who was a trooper during this incident told me that they viewed it as a training exercise, something you might or might not know is that the SAS or “the regiment “ as they refer it to is that they have to do junior and senior Brecon for promotion, just like the rest of the infantry and they hate it but they have good stories 😊
how dare they try and accuse the SAS of heavy handed tactics, they are doing a job to save lives from these prisoners who let's face it are lucky to be alive after what they have done to others
you know its real when they wearing hi tec silver shadows,to non uk peps,they are the trainers the army give you in basic training,great vid and nice shirt
I remember a quote from a former SAS officer who was talking about an alleged "shoot to kill" policy they had for the IRA. He said if they had such a policy there would be a lot more dead terrorists 😂
Everyone slags off Maggie Thatcher, but looking back over the past 50 years, she must be without doubt (with a landslide) the best PM we have had since. Apart from the miners up north, and taking milk away from me as a school kid, she done more for Gt Britain than anyone since. She made many nobodies wealthy people, as in, people who had the balls to go self employed. The 80's where booming! And some working class people are still living off the opportunities they was given back then. She let the uneducated become wealthy.
She also banned any teaching of safe sex practices to gay teenagers at the height of the aids epidemic, caused many those miners to literally die of starvation, and sold off most of the country's assets so the 80s were booming and the long term health of the UKs economy was left doomed. Your winter jacket will warm you up if you set it on fire, but not for long.
She had the steel bollocks to take tough decisions and stand by them. Did she make mistakes? Yes, but she took decisions that needed (in her view) to be made. The only person recently that comes close is Boris Johnson. He had the balls to make decisions. Unlike the current PM
I've definitely seen footage some time ago and it's after the raid of one of the SAS slowly abseiling down in full black kit, and a small interview with Major Peter Ratcliffe quickly going over what unfolded.
I wouldnt say "the prisoners themselves were impressed but afterwards they were all writing off letters too their families bragging they'd had a bassball batting off the Special Air Service!" 😂😂😅
My ex was Scottish and her gran lives in Peterhead. Her gran was a friend of Jackie and i had the pleasure of meeting him and getting a signed copy of his book. A lovely, humble and kind man with a wicked sense of humor. Rip
I love it. No matter how bad someone thinks they are 🤣 there's always someone badder around the corner.. But then , how would we deal with the badder person if they went rogue.... They send in the SAS 😂
This is news to me. I`d have thought it rather ridiculous for the British Government to call upon the SAS to level a prison riot. The SAS are employed to kill terrorists, not talk to pissed - off prisoners. But, if such are events, then fair play to this.
Criticising the SAS for being heavy handed is like complaining that your vindaloo is spicy.
If they were still alive afterwards, it was NOT "heavy handed", it was all back to being kushti
Americans often mistake "not messing about" with "heavy handed" 🤷🏼♀️
@@Rachel_M_ I think the whole of the West is now having that same problem ? Even being mildly assertive is seen as "aggressive", with many little kids in schools now, especially boys, being treated like they are "Aggressive sociopaths" for being assertive or remotely physical. Shame is, the kids then don't get the chance to LEARN self control or restraint, so it is internalised to become actual mental health problems, OR externalised with NO restraint in a sadly binary, "nothing" or instant "FULL ON" friend or foe behaviour.
Our lads being very definite with a bit of a slap to boot, did the JOB. Bish bosh, job done !
Carandiru in Brasil was heavy handed, not this lol
Hahahaha
Imagine taking part in a prison riot which took prison officers hostage, and you cry about the SAS being too heavy handed 🤣🤣
You know the saying if you carnt do the time don't do the crime.
in the 1980s no less, the decade that defined "FAFO" before it became a "thing"
I mean if his allegations were true, which we will never know for sure either way, I'd say he has every right to complain. We live a country that believes in the Rule of Law, and the fact he was involved in a Prison Mutiny does not change that. If he was beaten to secure the building, that's lawful prevention of crime and disorder (namely prison mutiny), if it were revenge, that's a serious assault. Also being involved in a prison mutiny does not necessarily mean you intended every act that the mutiny did, and it is generally accepted that conditions there were beyond poor. 11 injuries to the head is always going to result in a lawsuit. The punishment is decided by the Court after the fact the SAS are there to bring things to an end and assist in presenting the individuals to the Court.
@@PCDelorian He has zero right to complain. Offenders shouldn't have any rights and its part of why society is awful. Murderers and what not take part in a riot, hold people hostage, throw objects off a roof which could easily kill or disfigure. They have lost all protection from the system and should be treated as vermin. It's also a mockery that people like that can waste tons of time and money in court.
@@PCDelorian
Be real.
Reminded me of The Simpsons, when Nelson attacks Bart, and in the aftermath Nelson is bleeding. He says "You made me bleed my own blood!" 😅
Typical bully behaviour, its okay when they do it.
You can absolutely guarantee he said “you’re going for a spin now pal” fucking brilliant 😂
Without a doubt
."I thought it was a wall, but it was a hole".With a 12ft drop 😂
He was just inviting him for an afternoon drive. The drop was a coincidence. 😂
What you are saying there is its brilliant he committed perjury and perverted the course of justice. It will of course never be proven, but he deserved court martial and discharge. The Court system cannot function if witnesses (especially those whose involvement comes from their profession on the side of the Crown) lie and falsify evidence. As great a quote as it may have been.
Great line lololololol
They need to put that line in a campaign level for a new CoD 😂
_"The SAS, they're going to be heavy handed, that's why you call the SAS."_ This quote wins the internet.
The SAS are not intended to be heavy handed, they are a measured proportional force.
@@Davefacestationshut up
@TalorcMacAllan-ig4rm I just wasn’t in the mood lol🤣🤣
@@Davefacestationwhile true, if shit is so bad you are sending them in normally heavy handed is proportional
@@Davefacestation in the words of the Commanding Officer back in the 1986.. " if you wanted a gentle touch , you shouldn't have invited us to the Party"
We did a training exercise with the SAS. We were held hostage for 3 days in a disused hospital in Wales. On the last night these guys come flying in from absolutely nowhere wiped out the bad guys and rescued us all in the matter of minutes. Absolutely incredible force.
When we trained in FIBUA some DS took one of our corporals as a hostage. They put him in the roof room which had a window and only one guard. Our CSM ordered two of us to climb up and rescue him whilst our Rupert negotiated with the DS on the ground floor. We pulled the guard out by the barrel of his SLR and then our Corporal. The Rupert was not impressed when she was told what the CSM had done without her knowledge. The DS were surprised when we attacked as they didn't know the prisoner and their guard were now out of the building. Fun times.
"I thought it was a wall not a hole" and " you're going for a spin now pal" . Even their humor is next level LOLZ!!
an easy mistake to make
Secured it in 6 mins with just batons, flash bangs tear gas. That is mad.
That’s the SAS 🫡
B(one smasher)atons
Shock and awe. Normies wouldn't know what hit em.
"The self-styled 'hard men' of Scotland's toughest maximum security prison turned out to be as tough as new-born kittens, when faced with really hard men from the S.A.S" - Squadron Sergeant Major Peter Ratcliffe
Its amazing what you can do with surprise, speed and aggression on your side! I doubt Peter Ratcliffe would last 30 seconds in a stand up fight with some of those blokes!!
@@outdoorsocialist8774 ur just yapping, if you think a SAS bloke cant fight.... ur wildly deluded
@@outdoorsocialist8774
When civvy 'killers' rely on fear and intimidation are met with trained killers there's only going to be one outcome and it's not going to be pretty.
Keep your delusional thinking if you must but remember you're actually advocating for the very people who wouldn't think twice about ending your life if you got in their way, they're in prison for a reason.
Think about it.
@outdoorsocialist8774 hahahahah you lost all credibility having that flag in your avatar
@outdoorsocialist8774 those thugs wouldn't last 10 seconds against any special forces soldiers from any country
There was no public outcry. Believe it or not, not many ordinary people give a shít about convicts.
You're right.
It was well covered in the news there wasn’t much to outcry over. For most it was a spectacle.
Absolutely, the only people who were complaining were opposition politicians.
As it should be in this situation
you really know you're screwed when the SAS is on the scene...
💯
not if they there to help you
@@filipefernandes870 that's true :-)
@@GoneFishin247 lol? just No......
comments like that ahow you have no idea.. and those who do, certainly won't share that in a public forum...
@@GoneFishin247 yes its a predictable response.... happens when its true. take the hint. unless you actually work there, you do not know.... and when you work there, you wouldn't be posting this.
move on please...
The whole point of the flashbangs, the noise, the confusion etc is to give the SAS a short time window to deploy enough force to eliminate the combatants from the fight. The prisoners are lucky that the SAS had orders to avoid lethal force, otherwise it wouldn't have just been a beating they received.
I was thinking the same also, charging an SAS solder who has a browning 9m with a knife, it’s a miracle he was able to accidentally fall down the hole and not have many holes in him.
Charging an SAS solder who's got a Browning 9mm usually ends with an enquiry question of "Why did the suspect have 13 bullet holes in them?"
"Because that's the capacity of a Browning 9mm magazine"
You know nothing Jon snow 😂
Jackie Stuart - The prison Warden who was taken hostage, Died September of last year, age 93
R.I.P Jackie
Wait so a prisoner attack a soldier,
An S.A.S.
And then he said " they hurt me"
Seriously?
He should be lucky to still speak.
Sounds like a case of "FAFO" to me.
As far as everyone new they where Police, it didn't come out that it was the SAS until much later.
Yea they sound like progressives at a BLM march..
OOOOPPPPSSSS😂😂😂😂😂
Took SAS 6 minutes to take control. them so called 'hard men gangster' prisoners soon found out what a real hard man is😂😂😂😂🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
"The SAS went in heavily armed with feathers, yellow dusters and reassuring words of kindness"
😂😂😂 forces humour?
sas are always armed with a sense of humour.
• • •
the British were recruiting 3 people for the SAS...They gave them each a gun and said go and shoot your wife.
The first man said “no I can’t do it”.
The second man went in and came straight back out.
And the third man shouted “FOR KING AND COUNTRY”
Ten minutes later he came back out covered in blood everyone was shocked...
He said “the gun you gave me was full of blanks so I had to kill her with a chair”
🤣🤣🤣
Version I heard, it was the wife being recruited for British Intelligence/Secret Service!
It's an old "Scotsman, Englishman, Irishman" joke
I’m so glad you’ve your finally getting the British “sarcasm” 😂🫡
My partner, a nurse, had to manager a prison officer who was held hostage. He was completely broken by PTSD. Awful to see.
"too heavy handed". Well you don't call in the SAS to pet kittens do ya.
I mean, you probably could but they'd be confused as all hell as to why they've been given that assignment.
@@nocteensis1297 but they wouldn't complain either, because who doesn't like kittens
It took inmates 5 days to hold the prisoner under their control and it took SAS 6 minutes to regain control. Wow!!!
I thought it's "the inmates held the prison under their control for 5 days", not "it took inmates 5 days to hold the prison under their control"
@@ym10up You are right, it was autocorrect that changed the word “prison” into “prisoner” for some reason.))))
@@LUK77ACH em, my point was about something else. It didn't take the inmates 5 days to hold the prison under control. They took control of the prison on day one and kept control for 5 days.
@@ym10up That’s exactly what I meant,
@@LUK77ACH not exactly what you wrote but ok
Inmates “ Let’s do this, what could possibly go wrong?”
yes I remember this Riot. am totally disgusted about the court case! and the Prisoners are lucky to get off that lightly when dealing with the SAS.
"And he said the prisoner was not thrown 12ft from the attic to the gallery below... deliberately" That quote got me good 😂
They truly got the experience of the more you fuck around, the more you're going to find out
The SAS were fuming about this ridiculous mission, its well documented. Their job is not to solve civilian domestic problems.
I can resonate with that, too, but these inmates were insane in their own right.
@@stewartmackay
Don't blame them either, but at the time it was all politically motivated, something these days we tend to scrutinize more.
Until the Iranian embassy siege the unit was probably happy to have a mythological status, I believe even though they were the right guys for the job I still think if you look back on it there was an underlying message being sent to other 'rogue' nations, since it was a period of hostage takings being rife with too many nations giving in to their demands.
Who did you speak to who was there? Well documented, put it up the data. I've been in the company of one of them. He never mentioned it. Feel free to dm me
I wonder if it was then, that the Corrections service decided to create a squad to deal with situations like this, instead of relying on the military for help.
Maybe ….but it was the quickest way to save the warden who was doubly vulnerable because of his lack of a kidney.
An interesting story of Peterhead prison, is that Johnny Rominski was recruited out Peterhead prison during WW2. Johnny was a bank rober and explosive expert, who also had a knack for escaping from prisons. He was offered his freedom if he would train as a commando and be dropped behind enemy lines. Which he did.
Johnny Ramensky was sent back to prison after - he didn't get his freedom .
@@brianmurray8247 he got caught doing a bank when he got home
The SAS didn't even come close to doing what prisoners do to each other every day.
B.S WHAT THE FU@K ARE YOU NO ABOUT
Yeah they probably aren't into buggery.
You’re right, they didn’t want to shag them.
They wore trainers because it wasn't too serious for them more of a training exercise. Huge respect to our tier 1 assets
I do not believe for one second that the SAS would've given the inmates a few extra slaps to teach them a lesson 🤣🤣🤣
Clearly you don't know what they're like. These guys a ruthless men with mental issues 😂
It will have been punches 🫢
@@PinkiPunki-z2w Knees, heads and full blown drop kicks 🤣🤣🤣
That's not how the SAS do business. Controlled aggression, the emphasis on controlled.
@@Davefacestation The Sas was a lot different in the 80's lol
I'm from the town. I've spoken to people who were there. One guy said that when the SAS came in it was almost instant. Smoke and then he felt the barrel at his back, no footsteps.
Also as far as heavy handed goes, the convicts got off pretty lightly. The SAS arnt known for taking prisoners.
They were sometimes used as kind of a threat, last chance or it was over
Are you West Ham Geo?
I owned a garage next to the prison Which stored band and disco equipment ,the police let me enter the area as it was out of view of the prison roof ,there was a blacked out land rover parked in front of it , I tapped on the window ,when the window lowered I was confronted by 4 fully armed sas soldiers , I honestly didnt know that adrenaline was brown ,but they actually moved to let me have access , probably the first time someone has asked the sas to move ,and they did
I love the story of the SAS showing good ol Maggie what they did by conducting a live fire exercise with her in one of the rooms. They threw in flash bangs went in shot some targets and when they turned the lights on magpies body guard was hiding on the floor next to her as she sat calmly in a chair in the middle of the room😂
Story is certainly the best way to describe it. PR spin is another.
@@Davefacestation something can be true and also used for PR lmao not to mention this came out after she was in office
@@adamatch9624 it came out because her party let it out when they were trying to win an election.
@@Davefacestationit's in Andy McNabs book. 👍
Now that was a strange situation. Thatcher had tremendous respect for the SAS, especially after the Embassy where they performed admirably, and she seemed to have 'her boys' in mind from then on because they solved difficult problems.
There's a strong argument that military should not be pushed into a policing role, or a non-lethal role that runs counter to their training, because essentially they're trained to fight with lethal means. Either they could kill in a situation that doesn't require it, or they could hesitate and get hurt by fighting against their training instincts.
But, this was a fairly extreme situation, and arguing that anyone could have done better is a pretty hard task. Now, were they heavy handed? By police standards sure. By SAS standards? Nope. They were gentle, because SAS standards would have been to go in and eliminate all hostiles.
Regardless, by this point the British public viewed the SAS as heroes, so there wasn't much public support for going after the SAS in favour of violent inmates. Especially after the damage caused to the prison by the inmates was costing the public about £55 million to repair.
This would be a different situation in present day, but back then we had proper priorities.
SAS aren't normal bobbies though, it's actually laughable that they claim they were heavy handed, those prisoners are lucky they're alive
6 minutes, LMFAO. On the scale of fuck around and find out those prisoners REALLY found out 🤣🤣
Peterhead prison is now a museum you can walk about and see how it was in the day
I remember this back then. They used to put a lot of paedophiles in there in the later times I think.
Crumlin Road in Belfast is the same.
You call in the SAS when you want the incident ended - permanently.
SAS are awesome, Obviously, but big respect to the PM Margret Thatcher who had the balls to unleash them. If only we had leaders like her now days !
And they loved her. The respect on both sides was evident.
She's why the country went to the dogs, no housing, sold it, no trains sold them, no clean water, electric too expensive for ordinary people, no gas sold, sold the family jewels now where broke living on credit, thanks Maggie, the witch is dead, oh and she closed most industries coal, steel so now we buy from China and India oh and they are on the rise, we're owned by everyone in the world
Same thing with the Iranian Embassy siege, apparently she went to thank them personally after it was all over.
she did do sum cool stuff but still wasnt that great for england
Say what you like or dislike about Maggie T she had bigger balls than any PM since
Theres a detailed first hand account of this in a book written by Peter Ratcliffe called Eye of the Storm. He was in the SAS from the 70s to mid 90s and was the Squadron sergeant major of the squadron who took part in this and was later RSM SAS during the 90-91 Gulf war
The prisoners thought they were hard until the real hard men showed up
You do NOT mess with the S.A.S. !!😂😂
Another little known fact was that after the Pan AM 103 bombing and subsequent crash at Lockerbie the SAS where the first on scene. They just happened to be driving by on there way to or from a training exercise in Scotland. They stopped and searched for survivors and administered first aid to casualties that where on the ground when the plane came down. As first responders turned up and took over they melted away into the night.
The British government dont send the SAS in for a picnic. I trained with a few of them when I was at Weymouth, they do not fuck about, I nearly took a blank backfire to my face when training with them, thankfully I was the only sentry still awake on night duty. I still remember the dudes nickname "Chucky" was a short slim ginger fella, probably half my size (Hence the nickname) but the power in him, frack me..... Ive got all the respect for those boys in green for the training they do and the missions they go on.
Mad respect 👌✊
Man only 6 minutes it took for them. Props! I am sure they hated this mission as it has nothing to with them since they are special forces. Probably like “let’s finish this quick gents”
"You're going for a spin now pal".
Cue loss of control of bodily functions. 🤣😂
Heavy handed the cons got off lightly
Very lightly
They were being gentle, no double taps.
Wouldn't of been any court appearances if there was 😉🤣🤣
I met the late warder Jackie Stuart and have done the prison museum tour a couple of times, including a private tour for our club before the official museum opening.
If you are a criminal that commits bad enough crimes to go here, only to take part in a riot with hostages, one of whom you are planning to set fire to, I don't think you can cry when the SAS knock your around a bit.
Soldier T showed restraint by even bothering with the baton, and not going straight to the Browning.
The British public didn't know the SAS were involved in clearing the prison. The media weren't allowed to report much about the riot because there was a hostage. In the UK, the government can issue what's called a "D Notice" to all media -- banning them from reporting anything about a certain event. But I remember my dad saying the SAS had cleared the prison -- I'm guessing he put two and two together.
Good on the SAS. As always. 👊🏻
When you send the SAS in they will not be visiting with a cake and soft words. Prisoners - "Hell is coming". They do what they must so live with it.
Even the gangsters ain't gangsta when the SAS arrive.
4:13 "what's going on here" - It's set up as a museum now, so they have models of police and inmates dotted around the prison like you see here.
The incredible things is that a single SAS man climbed onto the roof every evening, when he entered the roof conducting covert surveillance.
I remember this riot happening, so glad the prison officer was OK. I had to laugh at the fact the SAS wore trainers! It made sense.....
Let's say we have never had another riot at any prison, and there was a full media black out because the prisoners were watching tv
Prison riots happened all the time. They were just less public because they were handled by civilian forces.
You don’t call in the SAS to hand out flowers.
I believe that those items (like the hickory stick baton) are all at the Peterhead prison museum. Was up that way a few days back, so was a surprise to see you cover it 😂
I recall a judge asking an SAS officer “why did you shoot the suspect 15 times?” Reply “I ran out of bullets”.
The museum is the prison itself, the Peterhead prison was decommissioned and a new one was built in its place next door, u can see it in the footage! It’s now used fully for tours and a museum of prison life!
My guess was Royal Armouries in Leeds based on the other items on display and it looking somewhat familiar, they had a collection of riot gear on display at one point but not sure if its stil there
I remember that the SAS going in wasn't really that big on the news. I think back then the media were constrained when covering the SAS missions for security reasons. But this was a very clear example of taking control of an apparently out of control situation using professionals that can get the job done.
Imagine the next Nike ad rather than being some athlete showcasing the shoes it's some guy in a MOPP suit with body armour and holding a HK416
The SAS probably needed some light exercise that day. The cowards got a taste of their own medicine and then moaned like schoolgirls afterwards. At least they lived to tell the tale, unlike some of the victims they murdered and maimed.
My dad was there as a warden at the time he said it was amazing ❤❤❤
When the sas move in, all negotiation has failed. Fast, violent and effective...
Just to let you know. The silly mask is just a prop, that is at the prison museum. The footage is of the the modern peterhead prison museum.
Well they're not going to get the "Comfy Chaaair" or the feather dusters out 😂😂😂
That little wax work head at the door window lol, guess its from the museum part of it.
That's pretty cool. Thank you to all who brought these stories to our attention. Quite right too, You do not want to mess with these guys.
Taking hostages and threatening to light them on fire? I don't think the term "heavy-handed" applies here.
A friend of mine was involved in this raid. They hammered the so called hard conns that didn’t know what hit them. There’s pretend hard men and real hard men. Don’t fk with the regiment, they’ll destroy you.😬
I don't think anyone tasked with enforcing the law in such a situation should have to handicap themselves by not being heavy-handed. The violent inmates they are against have clearly shown they are fine with heavy-handed tactics. The only problem with police brutality, in my opinion, is the asymmetry of it. There is no asymmetry in situations like this. This is heavy-handed tactics employed to deal with heavy-handed tactics. No foul.
This is correct. Most civil rights are thrown out in the case of emergencies when someone's life could potentially be in danger, especially a hostage situation. The US hasn't always followed those standards, but you better bet that most European countries absolutely do, especially the UK.
If someone's life is in danger, getting them to safety as soon as possible is always the priority. If the people committing the crime get a few broken bones in the process, it doesn't really matter. Bones will heal, but dying can't be fixed.
Keyword of the UK then, today and tomorrow: "Proportionate"
Exactly. This wasn't a bunch of coppers weighing in on a guy in handcuffs in the back of the van. Once you're torturing hostages and threatening to throw people off rooftops all bets are off.
The cons never knew what hit them even though prisoners from other halls were shouting warnings to them and some were knocked out and thrown over the landings. First and last time the SAS will ever be involved in this type of op, all due to Thatcher who thought they were her boys.
You do not stab a warder several times and not expect a fight too free him. Well done the SAS. When they act they act and if you do not want them too hit you do not start what ever they are used for. ❤😂
At first the Police took credit for this until it come out that 22 reg. got it done in minutes. Job's like this have to be signed over for the Army (SAS) before they can draw up a DPA and at the end of the mission it gets sign back to the Police Force or Plod as all Squadies call them. Very similar to the Embassy siege in London, but that was all court on TV I don't think you'll ever see what the 22 reg actually do as they are highly trained and the official Secrets act that all British SAS/SBS have to sign. I am obviously British and ex-milatary, but I will always say they are the best in the World. Great Video and thanks for showing how great the UK's SF's are, Respect to you 👌
I'm sure someone who is ex - military would know how to spell or at least do a spellcheck before posting .
@@brianmurray8247 Spelling doesn't make you a better Soldier, unless you're a Rupert
Love your videos and your reactions, always so respectful 🙏 keep up all the good work! And thank you for your service
@4:12 its likely a museum now, like a lot of really old prisons, where you can probably do guided tours and 'ghost tours' at night. That face would scare the absolute shite out of you if a guide suddenly shone a torch on it in the pitch black, echoey and claustrophobic atmosphere, during a midnight ghost tour.
Speed Aggression & Surprise, they wouldn't have known what had hit them!
When I did senior Brecon one of the guys on the course who was a trooper during this incident told me that they viewed it as a training exercise, something you might or might not know is that the SAS or “the regiment “ as they refer it to is that they have to do junior and senior Brecon for promotion, just like the rest of the infantry and they hate it but they have good stories 😊
how dare they try and accuse the SAS of heavy handed tactics, they are doing a job to save lives from these prisoners who let's face it are lucky to be alive after what they have done to others
Don't mess with the SAS.
They were not heavy handed, if they had been, those evil prisoners would not be walking under their own steam.
Play with fire you're going to get burned, can't knowingly walk into the darkness then complain you can't see 😅
Those prison thugs were treated lightly considering….
you know its real when they wearing hi tec silver shadows,to non uk peps,they are the trainers the army give you in basic training,great vid and nice shirt
Hi Tec's is what you had if you couldn't afford Adidas back in the 80's. Not even sure I had Hi Tec's, think mine were unbranded. 🤣
Still available at some sports shops
i was issued green ones - may have even been gola in 88
@@charliegeorge9393 flapperdaps,:) same :) we old school
I remember a quote from a former SAS officer who was talking about an alleged "shoot to kill" policy they had for the IRA. He said if they had such a policy there would be a lot more dead terrorists 😂
You break the seal, you unleash the world supply of solution, until the job is done.
Maggies boys they were known as Maggie thatcher prime minister at the time. The iron lady
Moral of the story, you f*ck about then you find out!
Everyone slags off Maggie Thatcher, but looking back over the past 50 years, she must be without doubt (with a landslide) the best PM we have had since. Apart from the miners up north, and taking milk away from me as a school kid, she done more for Gt Britain than anyone since. She made many nobodies wealthy people, as in, people who had the balls to go self employed. The 80's where booming! And some working class people are still living off the opportunities they was given back then. She let the uneducated become wealthy.
She also banned any teaching of safe sex practices to gay teenagers at the height of the aids epidemic, caused many those miners to literally die of starvation, and sold off most of the country's assets so the 80s were booming and the long term health of the UKs economy was left doomed. Your winter jacket will warm you up if you set it on fire, but not for long.
She had the steel bollocks to take tough decisions and stand by them. Did she make mistakes? Yes, but she took decisions that needed (in her view) to be made. The only person recently that comes close is Boris Johnson. He had the balls to make decisions. Unlike the current PM
Love the SAS, mainly because they’ve always got a funny one liner… hilarious in the midst of hell. 😂💪🏼
I've definitely seen footage some time ago and it's after the raid of one of the SAS slowly abseiling down in full black kit, and a small interview with Major Peter Ratcliffe quickly going over what unfolded.
Sure it's not Iranian Embassy footage?? I've seen that.
I wouldnt say "the prisoners themselves were impressed but afterwards they were all writing off letters too their families bragging they'd had a bassball batting off the Special Air Service!" 😂😂😅
My ex was Scottish and her gran lives in Peterhead. Her gran was a friend of Jackie and i had the pleasure of meeting him and getting a signed copy of his book. A lovely, humble and kind man with a wicked sense of humor. Rip
"You're going for a spin now, pal" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Good work. Awesome.
I love it. No matter how bad someone thinks they are 🤣 there's always someone badder around the corner..
But then , how would we deal with the badder person if they went rogue....
They send in the SAS 😂
This is news to me. I`d have thought it rather ridiculous for the British Government to call upon the SAS to level a prison riot.
The SAS are employed to kill terrorists, not talk to pissed - off prisoners.
But, if such are events, then fair play to this.
They were lucky they were left alive to complain in court.
Knowing that the SAS exists & really understanding anything about them are entirely different things!