UG. Like fire. I met him once in Bangalore in 2005.UG is like The Tsunami whereas jiddu is like a serene flowing water stream.GEM of the modern India.love him very much.
I loved the fact , that Interviewer has been more of an observer throughout the entire interview. He didn't intrude into between. & Even did whenever was needed there with quick & logical questions !! That's on the top among the interviews which I've seen so far !!
For sure. Dr. Mishlove, who is still with us today, was excited and fascinated to be with U.G. He can let go of his own persona to at least try and understand someone else's. That's a gift and skillset many no longer have.
This is the best convo with U.G. K. Who knows if he's right but I agree with his view that we have a skip in the record, and no guru or buddha is going to save us. All one.
@@Gaurav.P0 But why do you want to analyse? Out of analysis you may not want anything, but the fact is you "want" to analyse. The wanting has come again.
When I was on mushrooms I got a very convincing revelation or vision that left me with impression that all is One actor playing infinite roles and that we are like masks. I got some quotes on that trip that struck me 1. I am the actor and the stage 2. I am the mirror and the reflection 3. Eternity lies on the edge of focus.
@@oxherder9061 That is Orthodox Vedanta, not Orthodox Hinduism. Hinduism is too broad and self-contradictory. "Hinduism" actually is a term popularized by the British to lump a number of independent Indian religions together. You could also say that what is expressed here about the mushroom trip is consistent with Sanatana Dharma.
I drifted away from UG and nearly had a nervous breakdown from thinking there was some spiritual secret to life and happiness. Quality of life is purely about the thoughts you choose. And don't forget we are brainwashed from birth!
UG is saying exactly what some of ancient Indian scriptures like Upanishads, Avdhoot Gita, Ashtavkr Gita say but he is saying with a denial methodology, with opposite words. Thats the beauty of life - it engulfs every positive, negative, opposing, matching things.....
It was published yesterday. It can seem tricky sometimes, but UG has come to the essencial question: there's no essence. And with this I mean essence cannot be experienced by anyone. Thought has created the illusion that we are the only living specie that has a soul and that way we divinize ourselves, but not enought to say we're God. This game cannot be won, we play it from a very small jail, somewhere in between corrupted thought and nature, lost in delusion due to a weak understanding of the world which is the same that us. Reading is breathing.
This guy is amazing n he's 100% in what he's saying n if ur religious n u don't understand what he's saying then you do not understand your religious teachings, Wish there was more men like him
Thinking is a name that is given to the mental stream that goes on and on and can't be stopped. But it can be become aware of, so that we could take the useful information from our Mental drama and let it go the thoughts that is not required.
Where fear ends there ends the thoughts too. Becsuse at the end , we perform the act of thinking, just to solve problems or to better ourselves or to make life better which are all the strategies came out becauseof fear that something isnt enough in us... That was really transformative and also it matches with the perspective of lots of religious, spiritual, scientific and nothingness theory's core conclusions. Amazing point of view... Fearless point of view to be exact
This Man is genius... But i think there is thought, emotions feelings but there is no separate I... There is no self to control our feelings, thoughts and emotions
In my opinion, U.G. is a very assertiveand fast thinking person who doesnt really care about other people's opinion. So whatever he said, he is right necause he believed bimself to be so.
Donald D. Hoffman with the The Interface Theory of Perception is telling the same thing about time, space and thoughts... The brain doesn't create anything but receives stimuli... could be the truth.
What is UG experienced itself is called enlightenment which he calls it as stumbled . He did not stumble just like that but years of meditation and seeking . Since he had pressure , stress and expectations while meditating he could not achieve enlightenment . Once he gave up the wanting of enlightenment and started experiencing calmness and relaxation. The mind started its journey by itself and achieved enlightenment. He could not figure out this connection with earlier process . Nothing happens without a process . Even car accident is a process just like that lightening is also process . Sometimes we won’t be able to find our keys despite searching everywhere but when we give up searching all of sudden at the midst of something the mind remember it. So mind is always working at the background for what we are seeking but when we are relaxed it provides the answer. Anything seeking with stress will weaken the wanting energy because energy is distributed between stress of doubt and wanting
Yes indeed he was 49 years old when he became enlightened. He was mentally stuck in a negative relationship with his wife and wanted out but couldn't do it until almost 50 years. That's probably why he was a little bitter in his videos, mad at his younger stupider self for wasting so much time.
The thinking is what separated us from natures totality …. Or not thinking but our reactions to the thoughts , which implies our thoughts are not ours but a thought bubble that’s automatically filled with questions
Body is intelligent enough to take care of itself. Brain store the memory. World mind create every thought using our memories. Which we call "my thought". We have no options to free from thought , because thoughts can move only what we know already. Thought is always limited.
what I understood was that we are basically other peoples view of life,, there own information passed down to us, on how suppose the world is, or how it should be lived, that means we become them plus other people we have collected too our memory, that makes us think we are this so called "I".. when reality we are them, in other words who ever you look up to, listen to, and so on, and as far as thinking a new idea. "this is what I understood, in my own mind watching this video, and again im not judging or saying im correct". he saying it doesn't exist because for example music is made already, no matter what instrument you play or put together, or what you add to it its there already, and I can go further with other things and so on, at first I was like wtf but hey the more I see different perspective views the more beautiful the picture. fuck this is some wild shit
I needed about a year of listening and slowly digesting UG to begin to get a grasp of what he was really saying. And a lot of weed. For me it's like insta-enlightenment. I think much of the problem is his mode of thinking expression was Eastern. If he'd been born in the West he'd have been a somewhat obscure atheist with s small cult following.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 🧠 Introduction to Mind as Illusion - The mind is discussed as an illusion, not a separate entity from the body. - U.G. Krishnamurti challenges the notion of a distinct mind and explores its relationship with the body. 01:36 🤔 The Fundamental Questions of Thinking - Questions about what thinking is and why humans think are raised. - The assumption that thoughts are self-generated and spontaneous is challenged. - U.G. Krishnamurti emphasizes the difficulty in accepting that thoughts are not self-created. 02:38 🤖 Brain as a Computer and Materialistic View - Discussion on the materialistic and mechanistic view of the brain as a computer. - U.G. Krishnamurti challenges the ingrained belief in the existence of an entity, soul, or mind. - The idea that even so-called spiritual values are materialistic is highlighted. 09:13 🔄 Endless Cycle of Solutions and Problems - U.G. argues that solutions offered to solve problems often become new problems. - The reliance on solutions provided by authorities is criticized. - The essence of the problem being the search for solutions is emphasized. 11:15 🌐 The Illusion of Self and Separation - The creation of the self and the illusion of separation from nature are discussed. - U.G. emphasizes that the self is a product of accumulated knowledge. - The consequences of this separation, such as ecological problems, are outlined. 17:27 ⚖️ Harmony and Unity with Nature - The need to recognize the integral unity with nature is stressed. - U.G. critiques the self-consciousness that led to humans considering themselves superior. - The tragedy of maintaining a false sense of superiority is highlighted. 20:11 💭 The Nature of Thought and Fear of End - U.G. discusses how thought perpetuates itself and creates the illusion of the mind's immortality. - The fear associated with the end of thought is explored. - The analogy of a tape recorder and its implications for individuality is presented. 23:05 🔄 Creation of Time and Space by Thought - The concept that thought creates time, space, and the notion of a beginning and end is addressed. - U.G. challenges the limited actions of thought based on its desire for permanence. - The paradox of thought creating limitations while attempting to escape them is discussed. 24:39 🚪 Trapped in the Illusion of Separation - U.G. summarizes that humans are trapped in the illusion created by their own thoughts. - The paradox of the prison of thought being an illusion itself is highlighted. - The human predicament is presented as the constant attempt to escape the trap of thought. Made with HARPA AI
Very interesting character. But if we are limited in the ways he says how is he able to perceive that? Jeffery does a wonderful job in these interviews with his summaries and comments.
For anyone who visits and considers himself or herself a student of philosophy. This is at it's essence a regurgitation (with mild deviation) of previously known information. Schopenhauer comes to mind as does a Chinese whisper.
Maybe what he tries to convey is beyond words or... can not be put into words in a logical way, as if the logic always ends up being caught in a form or another of subtle paradox.
YES, the more i listen to him, the more i perceive that he merely resorts to 'jumble of words' parody' & parenthetical epithets. his thought processes are devoid of any substance, because his is an 'a priori denial of everything' including the human brain.....which cannot be...if human brain or mind for that matter is a ''myth'' as he says....he must be a myth himself.....
He in my weighed opinion a NIHILIST who is totally incoherent on any 'pronounced ideology'....he blabbers,tries to complete sentences only, without as much portraying anything of value. his condemnations,vituperation castigation,...denunciation,... galore...but never ever comes up with an understandable comprehensible value-system that we can rely on as representing his beliefs in PHILOSOPHY. TO MY MIND he does not sound like a thinker but a ''vilifier'...a hunter...mudslinger...debaser.....etc....I don't find his formulations on philosophy cogent,precise & hitting at the grass-roots of other belief systems in vogue.! mere condemnation does not constitute a paradigm or a new template of cerebration.? one needs to rely on some foundations to build an edifice or it will crumble. i have never been able to fathom his TABULARASA on which his thinking processes depend......it is at best confusing,confounding & perplexing....to say the least..JEFFREY MISHLOVE PLEASE COMMENT....this man gets on your nerves in a very unpleasant way...pardon me.!!
No Ug is only one that has got it all complete and true. I have read osho, jiddu and rest others. They are all intellectual players not complete in some areas of life . Ug is speaking complete natural state that is why he is the last stop. he makes everyone false.
@@mindspark9835 Osho and U.G. were at the last stop of all of this crap lol the difference between those two is Osho just used silent gaps to bring people's attention to this "natural state" and U.G. is more direct without a presentation through his conveyance. But U.G. is more practical and forward. He is like a random guy on the street, which is what he prefers because he doesn't care for all of this "spiritual presentation" like the way Osho did. He just wants everyone to shut up. So yeah, that would make him the last stop. Osho knows this and has said plenty of things similar to U.G.'s concepts. But Osho just had fun with it lol.
Ug wasn't always right. He sometimes contradicted himself, but what attracts people to him is his brutal honesty about the shittier elements of life. Some people feel the need to acknowledge those things. But he danger is to start developing a subtle pleasure of showing people their hypocrites and fantasies. I saw it in UG's face in at least one video.
It's interesting when Jeffrey talked about people that had been blind from birth and then given an operation then they can see. Afterwards they have to be taught and told what things are. I would argue that the global mind is akin to the knowledge that a blind person would have of knife fork spoon bowl automobile as being things that they already know but now have to redefine it using a new sense. Those of us who suddenly see past our own ego and constructs oftentimes view the world in the same way, with the need to redefine what we thought we knew that has now become unfamiliar which can lead to an existential crisis. Many things that we never truly attended to, now can be seen. People who are still of self-limited vision cannot help.
Why does he not go into his conclusions, ... Self Knowledge via Self Inquiry is the key to Freedom.... All he says Jiddu Krishnamurti takes one deeply into the whole structure and operation of " thinking". One has the capacity to go beyond thought, and its conclusions... Just effortlessly listening Attentively, Observing, Seeing arises spontaneously. No Clarity in his statements... Namaste 🙏
It’s difficult to make others to grasp” what is” we always focus one step ahead from “what is” UG and Jk are speaking from same place with different vocabulary 😌😌yes Jk goes more deeper for us
+michael stephanos once you understand understanding you understand that you misunderstood understanding. Words cannot describe reality, that's what I was saying. You misunderstood my statement... Ha.
I’ve been so surprised at how triggering it is to ask people what is thinking and why do we think. I can see now, the thought process like a ticking time bomb. To get to chill like UG is, that process needs to pop back into natural rhythm. But it takes a calamity. Something like AI and quantum computing will prompt these question for many.
I would like to ask UG, if he were still with us, this question: if the mind is just a system of stimulus and response, what exactly is being stimulated? What is it that responds? In other words, what is the nature of the thing that knows?
Zenography it hasn't anything to do with the so called mind, there is only a brain there, and when some thought arises, 'YOU' attatch meaning to it, that action causes you to think there is something there being stimulated.
Maybe it's something like this: There's no mind, just a brain that it's needed for a biological system to perseverate. A body is a composition of biological stuff (which in turn is a composition of other stuff: chemical and atomic etc) that possess compartmentalization ( which means that a body needs to know where it ends. To know the difference between itself and what it's not itself: to do this it's not needed any consciousness at all. I think Cells are compartmentalized or something like that: I'm not a biologist); Anyway the biological system's "goal" is to survive, to survive the best possible way: senses are born, they are mechanisms that read the different forms that energy takes place. A brain is needed to interpret all that. That's all about it. But then there's this thing...the mind, thoughts. What is it? It is a product of all those stimuli of energy that hit our senses- We need to realise that it's a constant process, it's billions of energetic movements occurring continuously at the same time. It' not that the stimuli is obvious things, the stimuli is omnipresent as we are constantly in a sea of energy. Everything is energy. That complexity gave birth to the illusion of thought. Does a mind exist? That is probably an "illogical" question because we don't know nothing about what is existence and what is non existence. I realise that answering to this is too hard! This is one personal attempt, from a 21st century human at a certain time of his life, tomorrow I might have different opinions. The interesting thing is: does my life changes with these opinions?
@@benderthefourth3445 I'm not sure about this. Beneath all the mechanical operations that enable survival, there is a field of pure awareness. This is self evident to anyone who cares to look. Awareness exists and can't be explained away as simple mechanical stimulus and response. For example, one could programme a computer to recognise the colour yellow, and it will do that very well, but it never becomes aware of the quality of yellowness, and never experiences it as such, in the way that you and I would. Awareness is the deepest mystery in the universe, and then some. UG's work is interesting, but he is far too reductive, and seems simply to ignore any considerations other than the mechanical. This was a common way of thinking back in the 70s, among academics and public alike, but I don't think it gives us the entire picture by a long, long way.
Most religions of the world, suggest to meditate.... After hearing Jiddu Krishnamurthy and J Krishnamurthy , i have come to a stage to understand meditation is a state which will happen to any person on getting into that state where it happens itself. .... Like one falls asleep on tiresome work.... Maditative state is a wonderful time of daily routine....
The translation is often very misleading. Even U.G. mistook the title of the series "Thinking allowed" turns into thinking aloud. Ironically his claims is often thoughtprovoking.He has som very interesting points. Think of a newborn baby - it has no knowledge or concepts whatsoever - therefore the infant has no thinking nor experience . But soon its brain will suck in everything.
Mette søndergaard there's no any brain or mind....mind or brain is just A habit.. Brain or mind doesn't suck anything rather created by information which was in existence through creation..
What you do necessarily to live and survive at that doing there automatic action guided by nature so baby sucks milk to survive, if you see cobra near you, you dont start thinking your whole body will jump away you dont think.
After all life is dance of energy converting to Matter (ie Earth,air,fire& water) & matter into energy. Space is inherent every atom & sub atom. Space is non reactive & highly pliable Realising Space in our being is utmost necessary to understand life. Space is infinite & holding in & around Earth, Sun ,Stars everything.
What is time? Does anything really have any limitations if they're not humanly defined? If human just learn language, can't he define world in his words without getting knowledge of this world? If nature and thoughts are connected then why aren't thoughts considered to be existed? Is there really no essence ?
You talk about totality of nature and totality of thought then who told us that there is something like nature and thought exist what is the force behind this
Unfortunately UG was not a very clear explainer of his concepts. He stumbles upon certain words and repeats the words but these repeated are supposed to have various meanings, it is very unclear. Sorry. I do like his materialistic outlook on life. I find it sobering.
What an awful Trade that of professor is----paid to talk, talk,talk----.It would be an awful universe if everything could be converted into words, words, words.William James.
Unable to understand his sayings as I am a common man and only the 'Enlightened'anybody can vouch or negate what is he saying.but UG was a disciple of jiddu once.
So UG was talking about the most fascinating thing and interviewers ends it "Sorry, we are out of time". UG is right when he says we are afraid to the truth.
U G Krishna Murthy was confused guy , till his last breath of life, he did not get inner bliss. This guy met Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi after that this U G Krishna Murthy said that Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi did not give me Enlightenment .
@sima nimbark: AS long AS You try to follow bis tinkink 💭 You're lost on the merry go round of capturing his and make it part of yours. "If you want to know the about the reality of anything - i have to go first !" (ooG) 👋.•°
We are the only living thing on earth know that we are existing we are not like animals that living but dont know they are existing, our thought must come from a thinking being , like a human that invent the a.i , its called a god that created us and made us think becuase this creator gave us freewill , or in computer programming term, its called a.i , first thing we must notice that this creator gave us voluntary muscle functioning like the heart , heart means its true that the freewill is true
we are 100% biological machine. No free will. Whatever message you posted here, there is a way to measure it quantitatively by measuring the chemicals in your body, at least few millisecond before you become aware of your own emotions. Imagine, bio sensors hooked up with your body, placing automatic orders via Alexa on Amazon and you are receiving order conformation before you know what you want.
Epistemological activity is a prison where words & numbers keep the prisoners, the appearance of bodies interacting with an apparent environment, incarcerated perennially. The Prison of Oblivion or Limbo! Language has seriously being misunderstood from its unknowable apparent beginnings. Language, is literally data turned into information that is apparently only suitable for the apparent bodies/environment, in order to preserve itself as a unify field not an individual unit with self autonomy. It uses pronouns at personal levels to help survive what appears to b an artificial intelligence creating, ARTIFICIAL LIFE! Both originating from quantum computational systems operating enigmatically. Randomly not deterministically! Ouch!
U.G speaking is like '' u just got knocked the f out'' 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂To make people understand better what U.G is saying, try two imagine 2 computers, programmed to communicate with each other. We are the same. We will communicate based on what parents and society taught us. Likewise computers communicating with each other, they exist and they don't in the same time. You can make a computer claim he has an identity. But there is still no ''I'' there. It's a cosmical charade you can't escape. He thinks alike Gurdjieff, who believed that humans are machines.
UG. Like fire. I met him once in Bangalore in 2005.UG is like The Tsunami whereas jiddu is like a serene flowing water stream.GEM of the modern India.love him very much.
I loved the fact , that Interviewer has been more of an observer throughout the entire interview. He didn't intrude into between. & Even did whenever was needed there with quick & logical questions !!
That's on the top among the interviews which I've seen so far !!
Yeah, i heard from a book or maybe a video that U.G. really liked this guy.
For sure. Dr. Mishlove, who is still with us today, was excited and fascinated to be with U.G. He can let go of his own persona to at least try and understand someone else's. That's a gift and skillset many no longer have.
@@waedjradi Grtly Managed by him 💫
You are also good observor
@@ganeshnikrad7934 Thnks brother , Have a nice day :)
I've been coming back to this video for the last 4 or 5 years. Every other day, I just play it.
This is the best convo with U.G. K. Who knows if he's right but I agree with his view that we have a skip in the record, and no guru or buddha is going to save us. All one.
@@goodnatureart Indeed. He's an honest person.
Mind blown. Must listen to this again.
Mind is a myth xdd
@@mateogazza9214 that is what you think!
@@mrmetaphysics9457 what is mind? inst just thought?
@@mateogazza9214 mind is consciousness!
@@mrmetaphysics9457 so it is born out of memory? 😰
Great interviewer with a great guest.
Not greater than me.
"Wanting and thinking go together." Profound!
ihopeutubedies why?
@@marcpelletier1366 Because if you do not want anything, like literally anything, you will not think. That's what he meant.
@@hemant111 yeassssss!
It is not entirely true.
You can use thinking for analysing something where you don't want anything.
@@Gaurav.P0 But why do you want to analyse? Out of analysis you may not want anything, but the fact is you "want" to analyse. The wanting has come again.
When I was on mushrooms I got a very convincing revelation or vision that left me with impression that all is One actor playing infinite roles and that we are like masks. I got some quotes on that trip that struck me 1. I am the actor and the stage 2. I am the mirror and the reflection 3. Eternity lies on the edge of focus.
ever look into headless way?
@@customjuices no. What is that?
Beautiful thinking ❤️ Daniel
That’s very orthodox Hinduism, don’t know if you realised. Very interesting to read your experience!
@@oxherder9061 That is Orthodox Vedanta, not Orthodox Hinduism. Hinduism is too broad and self-contradictory. "Hinduism" actually is a term popularized by the British to lump a number of independent Indian religions together. You could also say that what is expressed here about the mushroom trip is consistent with Sanatana Dharma.
I drifted away from UG and nearly had a nervous breakdown from thinking there was some spiritual secret to life and happiness.
Quality of life is purely about the thoughts you choose.
And don't forget we are brainwashed from birth!
UG is saying exactly what some of ancient Indian scriptures like Upanishads, Avdhoot Gita, Ashtavkr Gita say but he is saying with a denial methodology, with opposite words. Thats the beauty of life - it engulfs every positive, negative, opposing, matching things.....
You know what's the ugliness of life - m0r0ns like you. Busy to make poem irrespective of facts.
Always learning from U.G videos.
Thanks so much, for sharing 🙏🏿🙌🏿
Essence of universe, body, mind, soul, I understood through ug.Thanks everyone who provided such a gem
Finally! I can listen to UG in a clear recording.
This lecture of UG is GOLD !
A humbling and transformative dose of listening !
It was published yesterday. It can seem tricky sometimes, but UG has come to the essencial question: there's no essence. And with this I mean essence cannot be experienced by anyone. Thought has created the illusion that we are the only living specie that has a soul and that way we divinize ourselves, but not enought to say we're God. This game cannot be won, we play it from a very small jail, somewhere in between corrupted thought and nature, lost in delusion due to a weak understanding of the world which is the same that us. Reading is breathing.
This guy is amazing n he's 100% in what he's saying n if ur religious n u don't understand what he's saying then you do not understand your religious teachings,
Wish there was more men like him
There are more like him and people like Christ Jesus too, except they've been silenced 🔕
Thinking is a name that is given to the mental stream that goes on and on and can't be stopped. But it can be become aware of, so that we could take the useful information from our Mental drama and let it go the thoughts that is not required.
Where fear ends there ends the thoughts too. Becsuse at the end , we perform the act of thinking, just to solve problems or to better ourselves or to make life better which are all the strategies came out becauseof fear that something isnt enough in us... That was really transformative and also it matches with the perspective of lots of religious, spiritual, scientific and nothingness theory's core conclusions. Amazing point of view... Fearless point of view to be exact
This Man is genius... But i think there is thought, emotions feelings but there is no separate I... There is no self to control our feelings, thoughts and emotions
In my opinion, U.G. is a very assertiveand fast thinking person who doesnt really care about other people's opinion. So whatever he said, he is right necause he believed bimself to be so.
Donald D. Hoffman with the The Interface Theory of Perception is telling the same thing about time, space and thoughts... The brain doesn't create anything but receives stimuli... could be the truth.
Solutions make money and keep the game going
This man was brilliant.
Thought is the heart of our psychological body. Only it's beating can tell us that we are alive.
What is UG experienced itself is called enlightenment which he calls it as stumbled . He did not stumble just like that but years of meditation and seeking . Since he had pressure , stress and expectations while meditating he could not achieve enlightenment . Once he gave up the wanting of enlightenment and started experiencing calmness and relaxation. The mind started its journey by itself and achieved enlightenment. He could not figure out this connection with earlier process . Nothing happens without a process . Even car accident is a process just like that lightening is also process . Sometimes we won’t be able to find our keys despite searching everywhere but when we give up searching all of sudden at the midst of something the mind remember it. So mind is always working at the background for what we are seeking but when we are relaxed it provides the answer. Anything seeking with stress will weaken the wanting energy because energy is distributed between stress of doubt and wanting
Yes indeed he was 49 years old when he became enlightened. He was mentally stuck in a negative relationship with his wife and wanted out but couldn't do it until almost 50 years. That's probably why he was a little bitter in his videos, mad at his younger stupider self for wasting so much time.
All these narrations also your thoughts only.
jiddu, U.G., Body, soul, microphone, star, cosmos etc
Everything is arising from....
The thinking is what separated us from natures totality …. Or not thinking but our reactions to the thoughts , which implies our thoughts are not ours but a thought bubble that’s automatically filled with questions
I love him so much soooooooo much
Thank you ug ❤️
Guest: Time doesn't exist.
Host: We are running out of time.
Such an abrupt ending.
Body is intelligent enough to take care of itself. Brain store the memory. World mind create every thought using our memories. Which we call "my thought". We have no options to free from thought , because thoughts can move only what we know already. Thought is always limited.
impossible to understand the natural functioning of the body vs how we function where thought has taken over. But love this interview.👍
Simply Love💕
Agreed...
Love seems to be the answer
If I understood him correctly on the issue of "I" and self, he was channeling Ramana Maharshi. Bravo!
what I understood was that we are basically other peoples view of life,, there own information passed down to us, on how suppose the world is, or how it should be lived, that means we become them plus other people we have collected too our memory, that makes us think we are this so called "I".. when reality we are them, in other words who ever you look up to, listen to, and so on, and as far as thinking a new idea. "this is what I understood, in my own mind watching this video, and again im not judging or saying im correct". he saying it doesn't exist because for example music is made already, no matter what instrument you play or put together, or what you add to it its there already, and I can go further with other things and so on, at first I was like wtf but hey the more I see different perspective views the more beautiful the picture. fuck this is some wild shit
I needed about a year of listening and slowly digesting UG to begin to get a grasp of what he was really saying. And a lot of weed. For me it's like insta-enlightenment. I think much of the problem is his mode of thinking expression was Eastern. If he'd been born in the West he'd have been a somewhat obscure atheist with s small cult following.
@@daithiocinnsealach1982 I agree, here is a man useing thought to deny thought!
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 🧠 Introduction to Mind as Illusion
- The mind is discussed as an illusion, not a separate entity from the body.
- U.G. Krishnamurti challenges the notion of a distinct mind and explores its relationship with the body.
01:36 🤔 The Fundamental Questions of Thinking
- Questions about what thinking is and why humans think are raised.
- The assumption that thoughts are self-generated and spontaneous is challenged.
- U.G. Krishnamurti emphasizes the difficulty in accepting that thoughts are not self-created.
02:38 🤖 Brain as a Computer and Materialistic View
- Discussion on the materialistic and mechanistic view of the brain as a computer.
- U.G. Krishnamurti challenges the ingrained belief in the existence of an entity, soul, or mind.
- The idea that even so-called spiritual values are materialistic is highlighted.
09:13 🔄 Endless Cycle of Solutions and Problems
- U.G. argues that solutions offered to solve problems often become new problems.
- The reliance on solutions provided by authorities is criticized.
- The essence of the problem being the search for solutions is emphasized.
11:15 🌐 The Illusion of Self and Separation
- The creation of the self and the illusion of separation from nature are discussed.
- U.G. emphasizes that the self is a product of accumulated knowledge.
- The consequences of this separation, such as ecological problems, are outlined.
17:27 ⚖️ Harmony and Unity with Nature
- The need to recognize the integral unity with nature is stressed.
- U.G. critiques the self-consciousness that led to humans considering themselves superior.
- The tragedy of maintaining a false sense of superiority is highlighted.
20:11 💭 The Nature of Thought and Fear of End
- U.G. discusses how thought perpetuates itself and creates the illusion of the mind's immortality.
- The fear associated with the end of thought is explored.
- The analogy of a tape recorder and its implications for individuality is presented.
23:05 🔄 Creation of Time and Space by Thought
- The concept that thought creates time, space, and the notion of a beginning and end is addressed.
- U.G. challenges the limited actions of thought based on its desire for permanence.
- The paradox of thought creating limitations while attempting to escape them is discussed.
24:39 🚪 Trapped in the Illusion of Separation
- U.G. summarizes that humans are trapped in the illusion created by their own thoughts.
- The paradox of the prison of thought being an illusion itself is highlighted.
- The human predicament is presented as the constant attempt to escape the trap of thought.
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Very interesting character. But if we are limited in the ways he says how is he able to perceive that? Jeffery does a wonderful job in these interviews with his summaries and comments.
Because he has been there and done that.
For anyone who visits and considers himself or herself a student of philosophy. This is at it's essence a regurgitation (with mild deviation) of previously known information. Schopenhauer comes to mind as does a Chinese whisper.
The more I listen to UG the more I find him to mold words as a brilliant caftsman which is wonderous for play, yet his message only serves to confuse.
Zen Atman hence it serves it purpose.
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Maybe what he tries to convey is beyond words or... can not be put into words in a logical way, as if the logic always ends up being caught in a form or another of subtle paradox.
YES, the more i listen to him, the more i perceive that he merely resorts to 'jumble of words' parody' & parenthetical epithets. his thought processes are devoid of any substance, because his is an 'a priori denial of everything' including the human brain.....which cannot be...if human brain or mind for that matter is a ''myth'' as he says....he must be a myth himself.....
He in my weighed opinion a NIHILIST who is totally incoherent on any 'pronounced ideology'....he blabbers,tries to complete sentences only, without as much portraying anything of value. his condemnations,vituperation castigation,...denunciation,... galore...but never ever comes up with an understandable comprehensible value-system that we can rely on as representing his beliefs in PHILOSOPHY. TO MY MIND he does not sound like a thinker but a ''vilifier'...a hunter...mudslinger...debaser.....etc....I don't find his formulations on philosophy cogent,precise & hitting at the grass-roots of other belief systems in vogue.! mere condemnation does not constitute a paradigm or a new template of cerebration.? one needs to rely on some foundations to build an edifice or it will crumble. i have never been able to fathom his TABULARASA on which his thinking processes depend......it is at best confusing,confounding & perplexing....to say the least..JEFFREY MISHLOVE PLEASE COMMENT....this man gets on your nerves in a very unpleasant way...pardon me.!!
When you look at hand 11:49 and fathom that you actually have no clue what it is 😅
No
Ug is only one that has got it all complete and true.
I have read osho, jiddu and rest others.
They are all intellectual players not complete in some areas of life .
Ug is speaking complete natural state that is why he is the last stop. he makes everyone false.
@@mindspark9835 even the others who lived in natural state could say directly but j.k tried communicated on the level of audience
@@mindspark9835 Osho and U.G. were at the last stop of all of this crap lol the difference between those two is Osho just used silent gaps to bring people's attention to this "natural state" and U.G. is more direct without a presentation through his conveyance.
But U.G. is more practical and forward. He is like a random guy on the street, which is what he prefers because he doesn't care for all of this "spiritual presentation" like the way Osho did. He just wants everyone to shut up. So yeah, that would make him the last stop. Osho knows this and has said plenty of things similar to U.G.'s concepts. But Osho just had fun with it lol.
One of the many things I liked was when he said , nature is not interested in your problems only interested in your body for recycling.
cool interview
Ug wasn't always right. He sometimes contradicted himself, but what attracts people to him is his brutal honesty about the shittier elements of life. Some people feel the need to acknowledge those things. But he danger is to start developing a subtle pleasure of showing people their hypocrites and fantasies. I saw it in UG's face in at least one video.
@Space Monkey good one
UG teachings are just negation of every material and spiritual things. Apart from it, he is nothing.
Well said.
Who are you to say he wasn't right?
It's interesting when Jeffrey talked about people that had been blind from birth and then given an operation then they can see. Afterwards they have to be taught and told what things are. I would argue that the global mind is akin to the knowledge that a blind person would have of knife fork spoon bowl automobile as being things that they already know but now have to redefine it using a new sense. Those of us who suddenly see past our own ego and constructs oftentimes view the world in the same way, with the need to redefine what we thought we knew that has now become unfamiliar which can lead to an existential crisis.
Many things that we never truly attended to, now can be seen. People who are still of self-limited vision cannot help.
09:09 So true. Also very sad.
Greatest understanding
Why does he not go into his conclusions, ...
Self Knowledge via Self Inquiry is the key to Freedom....
All he says Jiddu Krishnamurti takes one deeply into the whole structure and operation of " thinking".
One has the capacity to go beyond thought, and its conclusions...
Just effortlessly listening Attentively, Observing, Seeing arises spontaneously.
No Clarity in his statements...
Namaste 🙏
It’s difficult to make others to grasp” what is” we always focus one step ahead from “what is” UG and Jk are speaking from same place with different vocabulary 😌😌yes Jk goes more deeper for us
Love this. But the bubbling sound in background is a shame. Anyone know how to remedy this and re-post?
Common sense, an understanding of understanding. Life sure is a knee jerker, isn't it?
if you under-stand you are upside down
+michael stephanos once you understand understanding you understand that you misunderstood understanding. Words cannot describe reality, that's what I was saying. You misunderstood my statement... Ha.
I’ve been so surprised at how triggering it is to ask people what is thinking and why do we think. I can see now, the thought process like a ticking time bomb. To get to chill like UG is, that process needs to pop back into natural rhythm. But it takes a calamity. Something like AI and quantum computing will prompt these question for many.
Divergence allowed
I would like to ask UG, if he were still with us, this question: if the mind is just a system of stimulus and response, what exactly is being stimulated? What is it that responds? In other words, what is the nature of the thing that knows?
Zenography it hasn't anything to do with the so called mind, there is only a brain there, and when some thought arises, 'YOU' attatch meaning to it, that action causes you to think there is something there being stimulated.
No mind, no problem!
Maybe it's something like this: There's no mind, just a brain that it's needed for a biological system to perseverate. A body is a composition of biological stuff (which in turn is a composition of other stuff: chemical and atomic etc) that possess compartmentalization ( which means that a body needs to know where it ends. To know the difference between itself and what it's not itself: to do this it's not needed any consciousness at all. I think Cells are compartmentalized or something like that: I'm not a biologist); Anyway the biological system's "goal" is to survive, to survive the best possible way: senses are born, they are mechanisms that read the different forms that energy takes place. A brain is needed to interpret all that.
That's all about it. But then there's this thing...the mind, thoughts. What is it? It is a product of all those stimuli of energy that hit our senses- We need to realise that it's a constant process, it's billions of energetic movements occurring continuously at the same time.
It' not that the stimuli is obvious things, the stimuli is omnipresent as we are constantly in a sea of energy. Everything is energy.
That complexity gave birth to the illusion of thought.
Does a mind exist?
That is probably an "illogical" question because we don't know nothing about what is existence and what is non existence.
I realise that answering to this is too hard! This is one personal attempt, from a 21st century human at a certain time of his life, tomorrow I might have different opinions. The interesting thing is: does my life changes with these opinions?
@@benderthefourth3445 I'm not sure about this. Beneath all the mechanical operations that enable survival, there is a field of pure awareness. This is self evident to anyone who cares to look. Awareness exists and can't be explained away as simple mechanical stimulus and response. For example, one could programme a computer to recognise the colour yellow, and it will do that very well, but it never becomes aware of the quality of yellowness, and never experiences it as such, in the way that you and I would. Awareness is the deepest mystery in the universe, and then some. UG's work is interesting, but he is far too reductive, and seems simply to ignore any considerations other than the mechanical. This was a common way of thinking back in the 70s, among academics and public alike, but I don't think it gives us the entire picture by a long, long way.
@@benderthefourth3445 According to this interview, Thinking is temporary; that which makes up the body, permanent. The permanent is eternal.
This may likely be why we’ll never be able to create a truly artificial intelligence based on human thought processes
Most religions of the world, suggest to meditate....
After hearing Jiddu Krishnamurthy and J Krishnamurthy , i have come to a stage to understand meditation is a state which will happen to any person on getting into that state where it happens itself. .... Like one falls asleep on tiresome work.... Maditative state is a wonderful time of daily routine....
The translation is often very misleading. Even U.G. mistook the title of the series "Thinking allowed" turns into thinking aloud. Ironically his claims is often thoughtprovoking.He has som very interesting points. Think of a newborn baby - it has no knowledge or concepts whatsoever - therefore the infant has no thinking nor experience . But soon its brain will suck in everything.
Mette søndergaard there's no any brain or mind....mind or brain is just A habit..
Brain or mind doesn't suck anything rather created by information which was in existence through creation..
What you do necessarily to live and survive at that doing there automatic action guided by nature so baby sucks milk to survive, if you see cobra near you, you dont start thinking your whole body will jump away you dont think.
THE reaction IS plainly named AS 'minds'
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Great stuff
After all life is dance of energy converting to Matter (ie Earth,air,fire& water) & matter into energy. Space is inherent every atom & sub atom. Space is non reactive & highly pliable
Realising Space in our being is utmost necessary to understand life. Space is infinite & holding in & around Earth, Sun ,Stars everything.
Nothingness no thoughts breathing is temple rich breath is living last breath is death learning lessons on journey
What is time? Does anything really have any limitations if they're not humanly defined?
If human just learn language, can't he define world in his words without getting knowledge of this world?
If nature and thoughts are connected then why aren't thoughts considered to be existed?
Is there really no essence ?
We obviously don’t think we have solutions for the worlds problems , we’re clearly still on question mark
Super
The ug bomb
The essence of UG is that if we are aware then there there is no American or Indian hence the existence is one.No problem in this world.
Many of his insights are already told by J. Krishnamurthy.
True and much more in depth
they both are from same era
You talk about totality of nature and totality of thought then who told us that there is something like nature and thought exist what is the force behind this
Question arise what is knowledge?
Proverbs.
He... God... Forms all of our thoughts.
why is interviewer has better lighting than UG ?
Unfortunately UG was not a very clear explainer of his concepts. He stumbles upon certain words and repeats the words but these repeated are supposed to have various meanings, it is very unclear. Sorry. I do like his materialistic outlook on life. I find it sobering.
Language is limiting
How you get fear without mind????
Yes. That's my question too.
Maybe the fear is also an illusion. An error
What an awful Trade that of professor is----paid to talk, talk,talk----.It would be an awful universe if everything could be converted into words, words, words.William James.
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Unable to understand his sayings as I am a common man and only the 'Enlightened'anybody can vouch or negate what is he saying.but UG was a disciple of jiddu once.
Nature
Well tried to imitate J.Krishnamurthy, but Xerox copy can never be the original.
Do u think ug is copy of jk no way
see your in haeven !!!!!!!!!!
Stop Thinking !
Take letter f out of word, LIFE & boom 💥, there it is, the word, LIE!
So UG was talking about the most fascinating thing and interviewers ends it "Sorry, we are out of time". UG is right when he says we are afraid to the truth.
U G Krishna Murthy was confused guy , till his last breath of life, he did not get inner bliss. This guy met Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi after that this U G Krishna Murthy said that Bhagavan Ramana Maharishi did not give me Enlightenment .
Moreover he thought Ramana was egotistical when he said “I can give [moksha], but will you take it?”
Interviewer look alot like Joe Rogan 😂
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There is no thoght
And thoght created body.!
so the answer is clear and gone😊
Wow...it's really too Difficult to understand his thinking..
watch ishanewsmedia youtube channel. I think that "teacher" is easier to understand.
Seek and ye shall find.
@sima nimbark: AS long AS You try to follow bis tinkink 💭 You're lost on the merry go round of capturing his and make it part of yours.
"If you want to know the about the reality of anything - i have to go first !" (ooG)
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Try starting with Osho , Albert Camus,
He's saying there's no such thing as thinking because we cannot choose our thoughts all thoughts are response of memory and conditioning
Ug is actually vedantist.
We are the only living thing on earth know that we are existing we are not like animals that living but dont know they are existing, our thought must come from a thinking being , like a human that invent the a.i , its called a god that created us and made us think becuase this creator gave us freewill , or in computer programming term, its called a.i , first thing we must notice that this creator gave us voluntary muscle functioning like the heart , heart means its true that the freewill is true
free-will is an illusion.
@@CyPsyGuy youre funny
we are 100% biological machine. No free will. Whatever message you posted here, there is a way to measure it quantitatively by measuring the chemicals in your body, at least few millisecond before you become aware of your own emotions. Imagine, bio sensors hooked up with your body, placing automatic orders via Alexa on Amazon and you are receiving order conformation before you know what you want.
Epistemological activity is a prison where words & numbers keep the prisoners, the appearance of bodies interacting with an apparent environment, incarcerated perennially. The Prison of Oblivion or Limbo! Language has seriously being misunderstood from its unknowable apparent beginnings. Language, is literally data turned into information that is apparently only suitable for the apparent bodies/environment, in order to preserve itself as a unify field not an individual unit with self autonomy. It uses pronouns at personal levels to help survive what appears to b an artificial intelligence creating, ARTIFICIAL LIFE! Both originating from quantum computational systems operating enigmatically. Randomly not deterministically! Ouch!
U.G speaking is like '' u just got knocked the f out'' 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂To make people understand better what U.G is saying, try two imagine 2 computers, programmed to communicate with each other. We are the same. We will communicate based on what parents and society taught us. Likewise computers communicating with each other, they exist and they don't in the same time. You can make a computer claim he has an identity. But there is still no ''I'' there. It's a cosmical charade you can't escape. He thinks alike Gurdjieff, who believed that humans are machines.
Jiddu Krishnamurthi clone...
JK was a phoney
Trillion cells are recorded in body cells bain billions recorded in brain cells gut hundreds recorded in
8:47 Bastards,yes thats what you want say
Teacher
He is so wrong
fiction
He is a 2nd trump. .hahahah I got his point in last.
I guess U.G stands for Under Graduate 😂😂😂
He was fool, frustrated,so fool and frustrated people can believe on his saying.
Ug krishamoody 🤣🤣