The Deadly Race to Supersonic Flight
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- Опубликовано: 30 мар 2024
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The race to supersonic flight was one of the most enthralling stories of the 20th century. In this episode, we take a look at how it all started, how the American's betrayed the British and the current state of supersonic flight.
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22:25 Boeing (mistake) 😂
That was so unexpected man
I had to pause in doing the dishes and run that back to make sure I heard that right 😂😂😂
Nah that shit killed me
I cracked up so hard! 😂
I smiled,100% correct.
If it's BOEING, I am NOT GOING! If it's AIRBUS, that's a must!
“Boeing - mistake” 😂😂😂
yes - I also picked that up. was wondering about what he meant!
@@MrLorcanduffy Haven't you seen the recent scandals of Boeing?
They BEEN had uhh..."supersonic flight"...ijs..🙄😏🤨😐
😂 at least I didn’t hear that alone😂
I almost choked 🤣
As a tech guy, I really love all of the ColdFusion videos, and as a pilot, this one is particularly close to my heart!
Mentour Pilot
When I was a kid my grandma lived in the desert in Barstow and we would hear those Sonic booms almost daily. They would rattle the walls in her little trailer house. When I was 10 years old it was incredible!
Wouldn't those wake you up when you are asleep?
@@LuisSierra42 I don't recall ever hearing them late at night or early in the morning. If it had happened it would have woke my mom for sure, she was a light sleeper.
When asked about Concorde NASA said it was easier to get to space than develop Supersonic Flight for the public to use
True, we have more companies working on rockets than on supersonic planes today
Largely because Conventional Airlines are so Efficient and as such Profitable that it made no sense to compete with them.
Supersonic flight was fast but you have fewer Passenger per flight than a Regular Airliner.
Yup.
The US killed the Concorde.
@@arnowisp6244And also, it made sense when telecomunications where so expensive that for most people, the only way to attend something short order was a jump in the fastest means of transport possible, but today, I'm typing out this message from my home, that's also my office, while I work with a company in a different country. It's a very different world, and for most people, flying cheap will trounce flying very fast.
Coldfusion, Polymatter , Wendover productions, real engineering, OBF, Caspian report and reallifelore are literally the best channels to ever exist on RUclips.
Edit : yeah, i forgot to mention lemmino and Kento Bento
Agreed, except I think OBF plagiarizes.
Smater Every Day? :)
Half as interesting and search party are also decent.
Agreed except for Caspian for me. Biased as anyone could be if geo P. Affects ones location
@@nowMUSHhe has changed I guess
Sorry to nitpick but at 4:30 you somewhat imply that XF-84H "Thunderscreech" was an early attempt at supersonic flight before jets. But Thunderscreech first flew in 1955 almost a decade after F-86 and Bell X-1 both jet and rocket powered aircrafts achived supersonic speeds. Around 1955-56 early YF-104 were already reaching mach 2.2 speeds.
He confused me, especially when you can see how more modernized its shape is compared to ww2 planes
This video is just all over the place. Very low effort was made
@@matviyk3066 Not sure why a few channels are having this issue, either retiring, pulling back, or having more production issues in factual or actual product. I have a gut feeling we are seeing more results of relying on various AI systems like Chat GPT to pull data and create scripts for videos, the hallucinations it has and humans not in the mix, or humans under pressure only fact checking off the same types of "do my work for me" AI systems.
Vario? @@plasmaburndeath
It's made by a company pumping out videos to get clicks and sell ad space. Accuracy doesn't matter. Just look at all the ignorant comments saying how awesome it is.
I really love these longer, more in-depth videos. I really hope you have the time/ability to keep making them in the future :)
Amazing work as always, thank you Dagogo!
Getting "Theranos" vibes from all those companies towards the end of the video.
At least the companies like Boom have access to technology that has been proven to work in other form factors (utilizing off the shelf Jet engines) and previous hypersonic jets as reference. Theranos’s tech was just simply a lie that could never work. Plus, I believe they are working with NASA which developed the X-59 which has been able to significantly reduce sonic booms DB level, specifically at ground level to about the DB level of a car door being shut.
Theranos was just a magical black box. Supersonic isn't that.
There's a blood testing company called Babson Diagnostics making the same exact claims Elizabeth Holmes did and investors are falling for it....again. History repeats itself.
I agree... Plus what would be the point of supersonic flight.
@@johnking9942 the point is to get to the green conventions faster... and talk about how bad is for the general public to use supersonic flight..oh wait 🤦♂
I'm so glad you're finaly covering an aerospace topic!
Keep posting. Learning so much from your channel. Thanks.
The Republic XF-84H Thunderscreech, while an interesting and unusual airplane, was developed and built well after the Bell X-1 had crossed the sound barrier. It was also designed as a carrier based aircraft with no requirement for a catapult.
The way it is placed in the video makes it sound like its design goal was breaking the sound barrier, which it wasn't.
Yeah, that jarred me too. The first half of this video is all over the place with the time line, not great.
Living in LA and hearing the sonic boom as the shuttle would come in to land at Edwards was quite the experience - we all thought it would be common yet now it is gone never to be heard again.
Similarly I can recall passing though Heathrow back in the day where Concorde had flights pretty much daily - the sound of that thing taking off was insane 😎😎😎
Great content Dagogo! Always interesting and in-depth your videos....
Thanks Dagogo! Great job as always! I’ve been keeping a close eye on this stuff. Been an aviation nerd since I was 4. A large number of the Boom team seems to be former colleagues of mine, and they set the groundwork for the X-59 design. They are the team to watch in my mind.
Great episode and a welcome change.. thank you.
What a superb video,I witnessed a sonic boom in 2013 and it’s something I’ll never forget, cheers DAGOGO really enjoyed it 👍
Epic video man! Love this content.
Thanks for covering this fascinating topic!
My Grandfather flew with Sir Charles Kingsford Smith when he was about 12 years old in the Southern Cross. He later went on to become a mechanic working for Qantas and Ansett. As a child in the late 1970s I remember going to someone’s house in Sydney who was a family friend who had also worked in the airlines. He had two huge concord models in a collection of models - each about 1.5 - 2 metres long. They were old and dusty but still in relatively good shape. They were on stands and looked like the sort of thing you’d see in a museum. They had the branding of Qantas on them, flying kangaroo on the tails and all. Turned out the back story was Qantas had committed to purchasing Concords in Australia due to our vast country and long distance between cities. However Boeing rushed in and scuttled the contract by underselling Concord at the 11th hour. The 747 was much loader and slower, but could carry many more passengers. The was a lot of public and political pushback about the sonic boom so in the end it was an easy decision. Both the concord and 747 were released in 1969 so the race was on to get fleet sales. The first 747 flew in Australia in 1971… the concord then flew to Sydney in 1972 as part of their global sales tour, coming in from Darwin in just 2 hours (the same flight still takes over 4 hours today)… almost in a ‘Look at what you missed out on’ type of moment. But the horse had bolted and rest is history... So the concord models had been destined for the bin, had been rescued and ended up at this suburban house in Sydney. I wonder where they are today? Australian aviation history!
(Detailed comment) This video skipped three vital FACTS. 1) Tupolev DID steal most of Concorde's plans. 2) There is no mention of the Ogival Delta Wing that made Concorde fast and more importantly smooth through the sound barrier. 3) AIRBUS was the response to the behaviour of both America and the Soviet Union in this era by European nations, who grew sick of the depravity of companies like Boeing, and just how far they would go for a monopoly on success. Sound eerily familiar still today? Now modern purveyors of sonic flight have a lie to get around with the public and experts that still live. After destroying Concorde's innovation with lies (time would have made engines quieter, more fuel efficient, whilst safety would have only improved anyway), the myth of 'dangerous' sonic booms will plague any company trying to go back in time to undo the sheer injustice that Britain faced throughout the twentieth century. Theft and espionage built Boeing, Tupolev and others into national giants. The only channel that has been truly 'diplomatic' on this subject so far was Mentour Pilot. Airbus is granted to us through Karma, as is the downfall of Boeing. They deserve all they get. I want to see any real evidence of the 'harm' of sonic booms, when people were told anything from seizures and vomiting, to building damage. I have seen hundreds of videos on this topic, and yet I am yet to see a single one that documents evidence of this. Come on Coldfusion, your channel is better than this. Everything I have stated is also public knowledge, except the conspiracy to make sure the Boeing 747 was not touched in her lifetime by supersonic flight. (The U.S redacts uncomfortable truth). As I began, it's more than coincidence that now that aircraft's life has ended, people can't move fast enough to revisit supersonic travel again. OR is it because Boeing no longer holds such power over the American government to stop it?? The truth is always out there.
Now now, you don't want Boeing to pay a 3 letter agency to unalive you like they did with john barnett, now do you?
Stop it, no one will uncover the sheer incompetence and ill will of that company, because they are a military contractor and any attack on them is an attack on military industry
Informative video, thank you!
Great content and one of the best narration voices on RUclips. Is the accent local to a particular location in Australia?
I have had the Greatest honor to meet several of these fearless pilots.
General Yeager.
Scott Crossfield.
Al White.
Great video! Keep producing videos which peak your interest, keeps them authentic and thought provoking.
Your videos are always top notch 🙌🏾
Great content as usual!! Thank You! :)
Could honestly listen to you commentate the grass growing.
Such a great video, thanks guys!!!
That would've made an amazing April's first video. I bet he would've made it accidentally entertaining and educative though.
There is a massive omission in the 'documentary'. What is missing is exactly what the Americans learned from Miles Aviation. The answer is simple.
As an aircraft approaches supersonic speed, the air flowing over the control surfaces, the ailerons and elevators, begins to establish pressure fronts that move back along the wings surface. These fronts do not advance at the same speed, so when they pass where the ailerons or elevator hinges are positioned, the surface pressure can be very different above and below the control surface. This change in pressure result in the control surfaces moving with such force a pilot cannot withstand the pressure and the aircraft can go out of control and possibly break up due to the violent oscillation set up by the uncontrollable surface pressure.
The British had learned this and had built 'fully flying' control surfaces to replace the traditional elevators, which are much more susceptible to the problem. The Americans quickly changed the design of the Bell X-1 to have fully flying elevators mounted on the vertical stabilizer fin. You can see this in the videos. The earlier glide and low speed flight aircraft clearly have traditional elevators, the hinges being clearly visible. The later ones do not. If you look closely, you can see the plate against the vertical fin, to which the 'fully flying' control surface is mounted. The plate rotates and this causes the 'fully flying' wing to rotate with it.
It is ironic that the X-1 in the museum may be the one that Yeager broke the sound barrier in, but it has either been modified back to the original configuration, with elevators hinging on the fixed horizontal stabilizer, or it is not the correct airframe but a substitute, hiding the crime of stealing British technology.
What is also lame about the Yeager record was the use of a rocket motor. First small ones and then ever larger and more powerful ones. The delays that hurt Miles Aviation was the development of the British jet engines. The first flights were made with a less powerful substitute when the planned engine was not ready in time. Once the larger engine became available, Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown quickly proved the Miles M52 was easily able to exceed the speed of sound, but using a British jet engine. This was something the "X" series of aircraft were not able to accomplish for years, despite the British still, stupidly in my opinion, sharing jet engine technology with the US companies that began building jet engines under a "free" license from Churchill!
thank you for clarifying! ❤
The all moving stabilizer was not a British invention, nor was it a British invention to use it for supersonic flight and it was already being seen on the XP-86, in development at the same time. There is little evidence for this British conspiracy theory, past the claims of sore losers. The Bell visit to Britain is not even confirmed to have ever happened. I really wish channels like this wouldn't spread information like this without proper qualification or context.
@phi...
Let me guess, you are British (some of my heritage, also).
I totally disagree. 😂
Obviously I'm joking. You seem to know what you're talking about
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Great story as with all your topics, always interesting and informative at least to me. 👍
I love your videos, the quality and information is stunning. Also, love your calming voice! :D
Afrer bruising my ribs and recovering from coughing... i could not imagine the pain that dude went through to clench for g forces and shunt blood around the body.
What a G.
Another very interesting video. Keep up the excellent work!
"You aren't big enough and there aren't enough of you to get me in that thing again." -- XF-84H test pilot to XF-84H project engineer
Interesting
Thank you for your insight and videos
Man do you ever make a video that isn't entertaining and educating?? Best content on RUclips!
Also thanks to his British Australian accent
Way, way more than 1 person makes these.
@@timhall5382who else can you recommend?
@@timhall5382 If you're going to spam, back it up. Not trying to put you down. Your comments have made me actually curious about this but I can't find ANYTHING online. Maybe I'm using the wrong search terms?
@@mokahless what do you think you will find? He isn't a public company, he doesn't have to tell people how many employees he has.
The narrator has mentioned many times for many years that he doesn't do it alone and has a "team". I can't tell you if they were his employees or independent contractors. Unless a public company bought his stuff I don't know how you would know or to whom it's been sold. It's garbage now though.
Hard to believe that engineers didn't look closer at falcons in a stoop.
They sweep their wings back to come down like a thunderbolt.
Storytelling master! Great video, love the history of technology
I hated History subject 😂 but seeing it is related to engineering and technology i am hooked up
Cold Fusion is one of my favorite channels 😍 I will never skip the ads!!
Same....
Great video man
Fun fact about the SR-71: Mach 3.2 is only the unclassified top speed of the plane. There is much unofficial talk that it can go much faster. An SR-71 pilot I met on a museum tour was very cagey about the fastest he'd ever flown. Additionally, despite the fact that the planes are retired, not all aspects of its design have been declassified.
Bonus fact: due to thermal expansion when it was at speed, the SR-71 is built with gaps in its body and wings. The plane had to be fueled directely on the runway because it would leak jet fuel until it reached an appreciable portion of the speed of sound and the gaps closed up.
What was the fastest he flew?
it did not get refueled on the runway, Col. Richard H. Graham's book busts that myth, they refueled like normal on the ground and then would taxi to the runway and take off. They leaked, but they didn't leak nearly that much.
This was so interesting. So cool how coldfusion covers unique tech documentaries in his own style and the music 🔥🔥🔥so unique!
Great video! I love your videos❤
You are a legend. Keep killin it!
Love this content. Thanks for something a little different.
You make the most incredible, thoughtful, educational, and well executed content. Thank you for all you do! Keep it up!
Superbly well presented and informative video as always, professional quality. Respect from the North of England. More please 👍👍
Great video,as always. I liked that Boeing quip. Nice one.
This channel is underrated. From the presentation, to the presenters soothing voice to the clear in-depth explanation of the topics should be the bar other channels should reach.
The channel has 4.75M subscribers. That's not underrated at all.
The reason why we gave up to commercial supersonic flight is because internet became better and there was no need for as much "IN PERSON" meeting. And thus flight time isn't a lost time anymore.
Plus it's super inefficient.
I dont know dude, imagjne being in Sydney ftom london in two hours.
@@DrumToTheBassWoop that's not the time it takes. It's 2-3h for London to new York. And that was with a ticket price of 10k.
Nobody cares about SS flight nowadays except maybe Influencer who can make video out of it
Always well done I learn something every time I watch your videos
Thanks dagogo, great video.
Yes, I really enjoyed this video, well done.
2:02 The speed of sound in air is primarily dependent on temperature, rather than pressure. The reference to sea level is misleading, as it suggests a constant temperature, which is not accurate. Specifically, a speed of 1225 kph corresponds to an air temperature of 15 degrees Celsius.
It's a shame you didn't mention Avro Arrow made in Canada. It was the first unofficial level supersonic flight and also Lead to the use of Delta wing technology.
The Americans did Canada so dorty with that program... And it's often overlooked sadly.
@@Nezulwe do everyone dirty somehow
I was sad there was no mention of the Arrow either :(
The Arrow's first flight was in March 1958, years after supersonic flight was a reality for military aircraft and delta wings were not unusual by then. For example, the F-102 Delta Dagger was actually in service by 1956, having first flown in 1953.
Love this video. This feels like classic Cold Fusion. Just need more eerie music 😅
Good clip….. keep up the good work
Cold Fusion Class on a Easter 🐣 Sunday & I now get a great 30 minute break👍😊
Well, that was a great video!!
Outstanding episode. Thank you!
The best videos that do motives me every day.
You left out about Albert Scott Crossfield. He was an American naval officer and test pilot. In 1953, he became the first pilot to fly at twice the speed of sound. Crossfield was the first of twelve pilots who flew the North American X-15, an experimental spaceplane jointly operated by the United States Air Force and NASA.
that dig at Boeing was gold
Cheap shot at a company that was great back then
@@Axicab no - it wasn't a 'cheap shot' at all. Boeing was in it's 6th year since the MD merger... aka; the beginning of the end for Boeing quality. That 'cheap shot' is quite justifiable -- Boeing 'EARNED' it. Lockheed needs to take over and let the engineers run the company and get rid of the pencil necks.
Enjoyed this. Nice video
This is great video, very intersting. I would love for you to do something around the Hyperloop, especillay it beating the speed of sound.
Very nice documentary about aircraft ,I like your voice too
I get so hyped when I see a coldfusion notifications. He makes these videos so digestible.
Overture xb 1 by sonic boom recently had a 1st flight! Great video!!🙌
Interesting! Thanks for sharing it. ✌️
Chuck Yeager was an absolute pioneer & most daring of daredevils
Absolutely!
Hey @ColdFusion
Little error at 16.13 "mach 2.44", I think you meant "1.44"
Also on the screen at the time: Manurer instead of maneuver
guys is that a Big company or television program or news aggency ? Because i am following ColdFusion very very long time ago they didnt even had 2m subs yet. But this channel improved my knowladge of many different things. you guys really deserve award or something like that.
Thanks!
I prefer the idea of a 10 day blimp trip rather than a 30 min hypersonic passenger flight.
"A certain crazy man" ... well done demonetization avoidance
ColdFusion delivers one of the most stunning swift overviews of the flight industry.
It left me speechless a couple of times. The historical video kept me speechless, the great info seated. I'm not really fond of flights, but the history and it's touch on today's approach is unmistakable.
As of the final question - I don't think it will be available any time soon, the energy(fuel) consumption is just too great. But I look forward to see further development in this field. I don't care if they are British, French, or US. It would be amazing to see the limitations of the technology moved forward.
We've always watched sonic booms on RUclips but never thought of the history..
thank you .. sami&isaac
Sad that you missed the oportunity to talk about the MiG 31, the fastest fighter jet ever build, still in use after more than 40 years.
Great episode, keep doing what you're doing!
I wouldn’t say Concorde retired because of the crash? 9/11 had a bigger impact on its retirement, and airbus not wanting to keep making spares for it
IMO what killed Concorde and supersonic commercial flight are several things:
Because of telecommunication there is really no need to get to New York (or the other way round) in three hours.
And in reality to get through the airports you need four hours plus three hours to get to/from the city center.
Secondly flying is no longer glamorous or fun if you do not fly First or Business and if you fly those then that can be (an certain airlines at least) so much fun that you don't want that to end in three hours, you'd rather enjoy the luxury and pampering for the whole day as the day is wasted anyway.
There are many more who can afford many times higher ticket prices than what Concord charged and had capacity for but those people are not in a hurry and they want to pay for luxury, not speed.
Love the new direction, but still with the same super high class of production. We expect no less - fortunately for us you always deliver...
Great video - Thank You !
You only need to travel so fast. With the internet and home offices there really is zero need for ultra fast travel. Its a niche market now.
What? Who is wanting to substitute supersonic travel for internet or work? I recently spent 10.5 hours on a plane one way. I would have paid much more to cut that in half.
What ever!
FireMunki you basically just called passenger flights a niche market though. Anybody that flies even slightly often would want it to be quicker. Nobody wants to be middle seat beside some big dude crunching doritos any longer than they need to
This video is all over the place, 3:48 , sorry but the thunderscreech was a program by the navy in the 1950's intended to create an aircraft that can perform short takeoff in its aircraft carriers with the ability to reach supersonic speeds. This video gives a false information that the thunderscreech was created to achieve mach 1 speeds, a better story would by p38 or mustang pilots performing steep dives to reach higher speed and crashing as conventional planes become uncontrollable. Then the creation of X plane, eXperimental, which led to the crearion of Bell X1. I hope you get your stories straight
Brilliant video as usual.
05:28 is that Zero7 I can hear playing in the background?
It was a nice video, and I'm glad that you decided to look into supersonic flight. I expect to live long enough to see the Boom Ovation fly.
However, a bit of care in researching the US SST program would have helped. The Secret Projects forum has a 38 page thread on the 1960s program. Just to throw a little bit out there, the program had three phases, and initially had three engine manufacturers and three airframe manufacturers competing North American, Lockheed and Boeing were vying for the airframe contract, while GE, Pratt and Whitney and Curtiss-Wright were competing for the engine contract. North American, with its NAC-60, and Curtiss Wright's TJ-70 engine were dismissed at the end of Phase I. Ultimately, that left Boeing and Lockheed in a match that Boeing won. The time lost as Boeing found out that they could not get their swing wing design to fly across the Atlantic with passengers and revert to a delta wing design was time given to the enemies of the program to bring it to a halt. People were worried about the sonic boom, and about the ozone layer, as well as other forms of pollution.
Despite the decision, made after the US SST program was defunded, to ban supersonic flight over land, it was planned for the US SST to be flown on domestic coast to coast flights, as well as many shorter flights. In a North American proposal to United, for example, there was data on the costs of flights from Cleveland to Portland, among others. And the seat/mile costs weren't that far out of line with those of first generation jetliners (707, DC-8). As the SST program came and went before the first fuel crisis, fuel costs weren't a major concern. Concorde, asking for sales at the time of the fuel crisis, got the same resistance that Chrysler's newly redesigned full size cars did. Everyone dropped their options then.
If I had to state a reason that we don't have American SSTs in museums (a la Fallout 3, which mentions a donated SST) or in our various aircraft boneyards, one might place it squarely on the complexity of the original Boeing 2707 design. Among other thoughts, a mechanic might wonder if this would be the day that he accidentally kills 300 people by making a mistake on working on those swing wings, and a pilot would absolutely have his hands full and then some landing it with the wings still in the fully swept position. This is despite Boeing not being the object of derision it is at the moment.
Either the Lockheed or the North American designs might have proven less complex, and thus more likely to be flying by 1971. In that situation, the program would have been more likely than not to continue. Both were beautiful designs, though I admit that for some reason, I like North American's NAC-60 more. Perhaps that's a tip of the hat to Murphy's Law...
Thanks for a fun and well done video.
..from a former airline pilot who flew much slower, at 0.78 Mach :)
So Boeing planes are literally falling out of the sky and they want me to try their super super sonic new airplane? No man I’m good!😂
This was really interesting 👍🏻
Super interesting subject matter! I dig it!!
The big mistake with the Boeing 2707 was the decision that it should fly at mach 3. That's unrealistic, even supersonic jet fighters like the F-15 can only get up to about mach 2.5.
I usually expect extremely high-quality videos from this channel but this one feels off. It’s almost like it was written by chatGPT and rushed out. It was still good, but doesn’t seem quite right.
I've been getting that feeling more and more often recently. Not sure what's going on.
Thanks, great video
First human flight was not 1903 - that was the first *powered* flight. People had been flying gliders for a couple decades prior to that (e.g. Otto Lillienthal).
True, history of aviation is just awesome with people like fokker lillienthal langley!😊
The first flight was done by the Montgolfier brothers all the way back on 21 Nov 1783 with a hot air balloon.
@@sirBrouwer This was all Classified to the USA - after all only last year did we finally crack the research tree topic of how to detect 225+ year old technology of Aerial balloons and how to shoot them down. I am so proud of my country.
"The Americans took British data but did not reciprocate."
No surprise there; US culture is still too young to have developed integrity and common decency. Those things take centuries. 🤷♂
If your urban centers are filled with basketball players, your societies don't get very far.
Didn’t take very long for the Americans to save your ass twice while propping up your economy for quite awhile.
Thank you Dagago for educating us with yet another brilliantly researched documentary - much appreciated.
Having flown on more than 1,000 international flights, I quite enjoy flights of 8-10 hours duration.
The 17 hour direct flights I took from Singapore to NYC were far too long.
I foresee supersonic passenger flights however at what cost, per ticket?
Concorde flights were very expensive, partly because of the cost of fuel per passenger.
The tickets were affordable for senior corporate and wealthy passengers alike, but not for the average person.
I predict that supersonic flight will always remain as exclusive & expensive.
You enjoy 8-10 hours of flights? Yikes, kill me now! I get to antsy over about 4 hours.
that was fabulous.
The US govt intentionally caused the shutdown of the Avro Arrow in Canada and most likely this project in the UK. The reason was that nobody was allowed to build a better plane than the USA or they would lose air superiority. And the Arrow was light years ahead of the US planes. Any plane that met that criteria was cancelled at the demand of the USA.