Mr. Keeble Explains - Sharpening A Knife on a Grind Stone
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today we are re-sharing our most popular RUclips video ever, where Mr Keeble explains the ins and outs, and rights and wrongs of how to sharpen a knife on a grind stone.
In the video he shows how he's rigged up an "ingenious mechanical device" so he can turn the stone by himself, and we'll hazard a guess the more than a few copies of this rig have been made over the years. This video was filmed in the Norm Hutt Boat Shop at Memory Lane Heritage Village back in 2011 and now has over 160,000 views!
Head to our channel to check out more videos featuring Mr. Keeble, and meet some of his friends who also share their 1940s DIY know-how!
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Erick idk if I should be happy or sad that I know that reference
Daniel James where's the reference from?
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kelvin klauck ah ok
I could forge you a war hammer that could crush a giants skull like a walnut.
That pedal is genius. I was wondering how they converted linear motion to rotary one with a simple pedal...now I see. Thank you!
Me 2, I was very curious, is actually very simple.
Smithing skills level 100
I noticed that Skyrim did it wrong.
Venaloid Not only that, but skyrim needs to grease the pivot points on the foot pedal to make it stop squeaking so much. It drives me nuts when playing it.
Ah skyrim
Lol Skyrim
Gods be praised
Can't argue with traditional technology. Acurate and effective without a need for electricity. A reliable method to sharpen a blade.
S O I love old tech
I've wanted one of these things for years..
Got a little manuel stone wheel I screw on the table and turn the handle. Sharpens my sewing scissors, knives, really well. Anyway I got small tools, apart from garden shears. So it suits me.
Thank you , I'm currently modelising a forge in Blender
and I didn't know how Grindstone were made to spin like that
and everytime I search online it just showed me minecraft tutorial on how to use it in the game
this really helped me
Thank you sir I'm buying my first grindstone and this is very helpful
This was my job or one of them when I would visit my grandpa, He had an old one and id spend hours sharpening knives, chisels, blades of all types. im building one now thanks for the refresher....
My neighbor has a huge wheel & I want to sharpen my knives on it as well as her grandmother knives she has. Neighbor is in her late 80s. I've seen 1 of her deceased relatives using it but he left before I could get close to watch him using it.
Were grindstones used for initial sharpening of forged tools? I love this video. I remember as a child looking with curiosity at my Mormon grandfather's grind stone abandoned at the back of a shed. It was quite large, about 16" x 4". The wood frame was broken and rotting away. I often wish I had saved some of these items. I also remember looking up at his spurs hanging in the mud room. How I wish I had those now!
My grandfather was born in 1921 in deep south east Ga in the okefenokee swamp. I grew up hearing how everything was done back in those days my grandfather plowed with 2 mules
Thanks Uncle ! :)
Having something with water under the wheel so it's partly submerged would work too
Damn you're smart
I have a couple of them, one bigger and one smaller. I may put a foot pedal on the big one. I may even figure out how I can easily switch from foot to electric power easily. Great video
I actually use this instead of a belt sander because from what ive seen it yeilds the same results and it gives exercise
It also doesn't cost electricity, so the process is free.
I use a Tormek T8, and often think about the people that sharpened with grindstones throughout history. It's humbling to know I'm using a barely modernized process that was created 1000's of years ago. I sharpen edge leading as Mr. Keeble does, hone on a leather wheel, and finish deburring on a hanging Kangaroo Tail leather strop.
What's your experience with stones needing to maintain fragility with the fast types of sharpening-edge thinning machinery
@@ryanbeard1119 Sorry Ryan, I don't understand your question - in what way do you mean 'maintain fragility'?
Also if you can give me examples of which fast types of machinery you're talking about that would help.
@mitch3384 do you need a minimum surface speed on the wheel to prevent the wheel from becoming glazed smooth over, or clogging w steel. Without having to use harder things to dress the wheel. just obsessed. I got an sharpener I probably have to get a better motor for it. I want like 8.5 revolution s per second not 1
@@mitch3384 I meant, friability, keeping the stone open so it cutts
Okay I don't know where you got the idea that you should have the wheel turning toward you when sharpening a blade, but no. Just no. You do not _EVER_ do that with a rotary grinding wheel of any kind. You _always_ have that wheel turning _away_ from you, because if your grip is wrong or your hand slips whatever it is you're sharpening is going to come flying right at you. I cannot stress this enough, as an experienced welder and metalworker, NEVER HAVE THE GRINDING WHEEL SPINNING TOWARD YOU!
Yep i gotta agree with you in that one
@@jreimer_30 I've seen people have bad accidents doing just what that man is doing. All it takes is for that blade to catch the wheel or your hand to slip... it gets ugly fast.
I'm sorry, but for whatever reason, Cobbler grinding machines also rotate downward towards you. That's just how they're designed. I believe it allows you to see what you're doing better. All I'm saying is that there's probably a reason he says this.
@@JoshPalmer-kg6ow Only cobbler grinding machine I could find is a shoe cobbler's grinding machine, which is not even kind of relevant to what I'm saying and I'm not sure why you thought it is. I am sure that you're right that he has a reason for saying it, I just don't care what his reason is because it isn't a valid reason: *_It is not safe for ANY reason_* to have a grinding wheel turning toward the user when you're sharpening a blade, a tool edge, or putting a point on something.
thank you for the video! I've just started making one
Tanks very much. Very useful video for me. Looking it I could resolve problems of construction to use an old grind stone.
awesome, thank you
I disagree. Have the rock go the other way is better. You aren't digging your edge straight into any imperfections. Also you are less likely to rip out chunks of the stone. Also it does not push the knife down like it did for you.
Yeah. It's easier to keep the knife steady by pulling it than pushing.
I was thinking the same too. As long as the stone or belt is running perpendicular to the blade edge, it's good. I still hate seeing those garbage pull through "sharpeners" all over
Nice 😄👍🏻
1:12 i also use it for my axe....
your Two-Handed and Smithing skill levels must be too high!
Love it!
such a great video, thanks
great video I'd like to see a video on how you made your foot pedal :)
The direction of the wheel is not critical. I have used wheels that move towards and away, both work just fine. I prefer the wheel going away on faster moving wheels as it is safer and less likely to damage the tool & wheel.
After seeing a first year cooking student seriously cut themselves using a honing steel I would definitely tell anyone who's just starting to work with blades to always point it away from themselves.
Tony Y
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out. You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Thank you for mentioning this, I always wondered why the grindstone must be rotating towards you.
Deadric Sword(Legendary)
Turning wheel opposite from the shown is a major no no, why? Because it is safer?
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@@alfredofettuccine9425 Thanks for information. Have a nice day.
Could you do more vd about that grind tone. I love your vd too much
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I've always wanted to make a handheld version
Wouldn't it be easier to water the stone from the bottom? Slide a bread pan or a window box under the stone, so that the edge of the stone is just inside the container, and then fill it with water?
You always sharpen with the sharp edge, not against it , you risk damaging the blade otherwise
+Andy Dunn What about hanging burrs?
strop on a piece of leather
Sharping
Ahhhhhhhh no
Thank you for being the only other one that noticed he had his blade the wrong direction. Sharpening on a stone is supposed to simulate the same direction as a strop.
How do you store the grind stone? One of my old ones(from the fifties) has cracked. I don't understand why. I still have another one that's been outside for maybe 40 years but without any cracks. I've never let the stone stand with the water container filled. It just cracked. All the way through. :(
Keep in a shed and away from frost?
Can u put edge facing down while doing this that way the water won’t run over blade
Last time i seen this was on old cartoons. It would be handy were the grid to go down.
Wish I had one
I have seen others use it in reverse and it actually works well that way
Memory Lane Heritage Village I recently acquired a purpose built treadle grinding wheel but it is a bit out of round. Do you have any tips on how to true it up? Thanks for the fun video!
InformationIsTheEdge Mr. Keeble replies:
1:Turn it slower and the out-of-roundness should not affect your edge or2: Take a heavy file and hold it against the high spot (lay it flat on the material holding the bearings) and have a strong person rotate the wheel fast while you slowly wear away the high spot. Change around every fifteen minutes or until you decide it is time to have a beer. Happy grinding!
Memory Lane Heritage Village Wow! Please thank Mr. Keeble for the excellent suggestions! I think I am going to try the latter for the dual advantage of having a true spinning wheel AND a beer when I'm finished! Thank you again for the excellent video and the great tips!
Having a slight hop in the wheel is annoying but usable. I prefer to have grinding wheels clean straight and round. My first treadle grindstone was very out of round and had several chips in the surface. I needed to take off about a half inch off the diameter to get it concentric.
With a diamond wheel on my DeWalt angle grinder I was able to true it up quickly. ruvid.net/video/treadle-grinder-part-xvi-power-dressing-the-wheel-6BtOtYTU6WA.html#
That’s the first time I’ve seen someone use one of those. What’s the stone’s grit range?
This is old school. No one measures this shit.
Where to buy this wheel stone
Which stone you are using ?
Grit size ?
Material ?
Why must the wheel spin towards you with the cutting edge up, what not the opposite
anybody know where i could purchase one of these?
I know I'm PROBABLY gonna regret this since I've been wanting one but...I know your comment is old and I don't know if you found one yet but if you haven't I found a hand crank one on Etsy for a little over 120 bucks..you'd have to do like he did in the vid and rig up your own peddle but so far outside of making your own that's the only place I found one for sell other than a antique one on Ebay that already has a peddle but it's over 300 bucks there. I hope that helps.
Make one...need a frame, some pillow blocks, etc. A welder, a band saw, and some time and you could knock one out in a couple of hours
@@ShinKyuubi omg youtube never notified me of your responce lol thanks man, i'll check etsy, a year late, but we'll see lol
@@pro-seriesfabrication3810 thanks dude, i'll look into the stuff to make it
@@pro-seriesfabrication3810 The rock is the difficult part. You need a special sandstone I believe.
Where can I buy that grinding wheel set up?
I have a grindstone myself but it doesn't take well to water and is a lighter color. I haven't been able to figure out what kind of stone it is. anybody have any ideas?
I know this is late but it's probably an oil stone if it doesn't like water
I have one of these but a stand up one is it worth anything?
True Legacy !
Would this work for a carbon steel Roman Gladius? I’m trying to sharpen mine.
They say “keep your nose to the grindstone” comes from this contraption. Interesting
I like to know about the pedal powered system. What the peda lcalled
Kairabi Mumun treadle
It's called a treadle the same as an old fashioned sewing machine
Under the grindstone it is necessary to substitute a bath with water - so do in Russia
Do you know there's not a single video of how those things were made? Every idiot has a video making a stand for one they found or bought, but no one anywhere seems to remember how grindstones are made. Lost to time, like concrete to the later Republic Roman's. :(
what? ruclips.net/video/_z7TchLLXww/видео.html found in 2 seconds of googling. To put simply, it is basically just stone carving and polishing. Once you get to the point of a workable disc shape, you can rotate and polish as necessary. Google says grindstones were typically made with sandstone but any abrasive material(i.e cement silica mixture) would do.
thats funny becasue the video linked by Mikey Johnson you commented 8 months ago... troll
Uh Tormek?
what kind of stone is that? and where do i find one?
It's sandstone but don't leave it emerssed in water as the water will erode it
Knife edge down. You’ll damage blade if you do it this way. Been a knife maker for 60 years.....know the difference.
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time. Sorry to tell you, but you’ve been doing it wrong for 60 years...
How the hell does one make such a stone by hand?
ii heard a chest sound at 0:19 or 0:20
The stone should be in a well of water as opposed to pouring water on it. You should always grind the edge by sharpening with the cutting-edge facing downward. This old feller risks catching the edge and either damaging the blade or a nasty cut.......or both.
That's what I thought too - this way, the grindstone can splinter pieces off the blade and hit the sharp edge frontally rather than rubbing by from the opposite direction.
Hi. Can I use this video for my private matters I need to take pictures from it and edit it via photoshop. If you give me your e mail I will explain you. I am sharpening knives in Israel.
Keep trying for them kids
skyrim!!!
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Him and the mrs haven't had any children yet!! Heck he,s leaving it a bit late lol.
Red Dead
Unfortunately, his claim that the blade should face into the wheel is incorrect. There is no worse way to sharpen or grind a blade than that.
Always sharpen away from you, and the blade should also face away from you.
You get better control, and a far better edge.
He is also, not using anywhere near enough water.
you couldn't be more wrong.
Sharpening with the wheel turning away leaves the leading edge of the blade with microscopic shards of metal sticking out (hanging burrs). You can only see them when looking under a microscope. Then when you use the knife, the microscopic shards fold back around the edge, thereby dulling the blade. The direction of the wheel is the most critical aspect of the process if you want the blade to remain sharp for a long time...
@@alfredofettuccine9425 And THAT, is why you use a strop.
@@Jam-jt3gy LOL.
Sorry, but no. On a dry, slow moving wheel, you can have it turn towards you.
Never on a wet wheel.
The idea is that you want to "polish" the edge. With it turning towards you, you bring the worn away pieces back along the cutting edge of the blade. Effectively doing more damage.
Turning away clears the debris, allowing the stone to do more work, in a shorter period of time.
And the added benefit is avoiding a lap full of water.