Train Hits Police Cruiser Containing Suspect | Analysis of Colorado Train Collision

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Комментарии • 2,2 тыс.

  • @MrPapageorgio
    @MrPapageorgio Год назад +779

    If someone is stupid enough to park on train tracks, I don't even want them as dog catcher let alone law enforcement.

    • @peterliebezeit5636
      @peterliebezeit5636 Год назад

      They should be demoted to being high school lunch ladies

    • @murphychurch8251
      @murphychurch8251 Год назад +58

      And someone being stupid enough to park on railroad tracks should not have a driving licence.

    • @houseofsolomon2440
      @houseofsolomon2440 Год назад +18

      They should probably be in a supervised group home. Have a day job doing something innocuous.

    • @houseofsolomon2440
      @houseofsolomon2440 Год назад +6

      @Sky L you're right - will edit -

    • @giaparmer
      @giaparmer Год назад +16

      totally agree, I won’t even stop on the tracks in Florida traffic with a thousand cars honking for me to move up. Too many cars get swiped by trains down here due to peoples negligence.

  • @Kimberly63
    @Kimberly63 Год назад +1092

    The cops took negligence to whole other level.

  • @PandaCoasters
    @PandaCoasters Год назад +140

    "The freight train was not going to respect the authority of the officers, mostly because of the laws of physics."
    Brilliant line.

    • @ianbattles7290
      @ianbattles7290 Год назад +2

      Cops are so used to being immune to the laws of man that they forget they are *not* immune to the laws of physics.

    • @2009richmeister
      @2009richmeister Год назад +2

      Right

    • @mariakleine5935
      @mariakleine5935 2 месяца назад

      Amen!

  • @KS-PNW
    @KS-PNW Год назад +70

    As for attempted murder I think it's worth noting that if the positions were reversed (suspect had somehow caused deputy to get hit in the same way) she would almost certainly face A.M. charges..

    • @KornyeEast
      @KornyeEast Год назад +2

      Why would she have a cop handcuffed in her backseat?

    • @1981lashlarue
      @1981lashlarue 10 месяцев назад +1

      No way to show intent to cause the death. The officers didn't intend on or tried to cause her death. Their recklessness and negligence almost did.

    • @humansvd3269
      @humansvd3269 9 месяцев назад

      @@1981lashlarue The female cop was found guilty of that. Negligence and recklessness.

    • @1981lashlarue
      @1981lashlarue 9 месяцев назад

      @@humansvd3269 Yeah. I'm well aware of what she was found guilty of. And?

  • @jasper3042
    @jasper3042 Год назад +829

    There are mistakes and then there is this. Absolutely horrifying.

    • @moxiemaxie3543
      @moxiemaxie3543 Год назад +15

      The cop got paid time off while they "investigate" and the town officials have no comment. That means they're trying to shape this in a way that doesn't make the police department look as bad. When you murder someone, the lawyer's goal is to avoid the harshest punishment not avoid prison in general

    • @hughneutron5303
      @hughneutron5303 Год назад

      ACAB!

    • @dcnative1618
      @dcnative1618 Год назад +14

      They had plenty of time to move the vehicle on the tracks. It wasn't like the woman was wanted for murder or robbing a bank.
      Police officers are supposed to be examples of safe driving.
      Now the woman and the train conductor have grounds for lawsuits.
      The county or town will have to put up lights and barriers at that railroad crossing to keep law enforcement officers from being their own worst enemy.

    • @hughneutron5303
      @hughneutron5303 Год назад +5

      @@dcnative1618 police have NEVER been an example for good driving

    • @hughneutron5303
      @hughneutron5303 Год назад

      @Jeff C keep licking them boots dude, i'm ABSOLUTELY sure they taste ABSOLUTELY great!

  • @billie6814
    @billie6814 Год назад +431

    These police officers likely caused a lifetime of trauma to whoever was driving the train, too. I hope they're held responsible for everything that happened here.

    • @jesserdo9963
      @jesserdo9963 Год назад +21

      theyll be in another police department lol youre clueless

    • @mollierainbow3486
      @mollierainbow3486 Год назад +23

      @@jesserdo9963 unfortunately that could be the case....one would be amazed at what some cops do wrong and just reapply at another department/county/state. :/

    • @susanisrael9779
      @susanisrael9779 Год назад +17

      The train always has the right of way. Departments of transportation even take a back seat to railways.

    • @Safra62
      @Safra62 Год назад +26

      This! Traindrivers are known to suffer of gruesome trauma after this kind of incidents! Sometimes they are unable to work their profession entirely.

    • @dcnative1618
      @dcnative1618 Год назад +20

      You got that right. The CEO of Marta (the bus and light rail system for Atlanta which sucks) committed suicide by jumping in front of a train. The conductor will be traumatized for life. It was a very selfish thing to do.

  • @autumnfatale
    @autumnfatale Год назад +107

    She's lucky to have survived. Unbelievable that they could just abandon her like that, they are beyond negligent. Zero situational awareness. The video was so shocking I gasped out loud.

    • @ianbattles7290
      @ianbattles7290 Год назад +12

      These "brave heroes" literally ran away and left her to die.

    • @booksteer7057
      @booksteer7057 Год назад +3

      I wouldn't say she was lucky to survive with those injuries. She's probably in for a lifetime of pain. 😨

    • @techguydilan
      @techguydilan Год назад +3

      @@booksteer7057 And her own felony charge to deal with.

    • @wxx3
      @wxx3 Год назад

      Dumber than dirt

  • @JJbIrd0608
    @JJbIrd0608 Год назад +27

    This is terrible. The fear that poor girl must have felt. She's probably been traumatized more than money can erase. I hope she recovers well and receives justice.

    • @josephdockemeyer6782
      @josephdockemeyer6782 Год назад +1

      I imagine the person she brandished a firearm at felt fear, too.

    • @Cuinn837
      @Cuinn837 Год назад +8

      @@josephdockemeyer6782 For all we know, it may never even have happened. They didn't find a gun.

  • @melgonz.6962
    @melgonz.6962 Год назад +506

    Imagine the fear she probably had knowing she was about to be hit by a train. Literally no words.

    • @gabrielamartiniuc6322
      @gabrielamartiniuc6322 Год назад +45

      Yep. Like believing she’s going to die . I can’t even imagine !!

    • @Beretta99
      @Beretta99 Год назад +36

      That part….that alone will be what she wakes up to every day. That impending train she could do nothing about. You know she was screaming too. They probably gonna pretend they didn’t hear that either. To the victim-I hope you get everything you can to help you move on from this and I hope that you have a healthy recovery. They sure as hell better drop those charges on you too.

    • @YTStoleMyUsername
      @YTStoleMyUsername Год назад +12

      Yeah really, "road rage investigation still pending" OK what evidence do they have on it? How often does road rage incidents actually get prosecuted unless actually witnessed by a cop? They seriously need to drop it and I hope her lawyer wins her a major lawsuit. I also hope she gets plenty of counseling for that trauma because she will probably have nightmares and anxiety for a long time due to that near death experience she had no control over. The cops are the ones who are supposed to protect. I do understand they are human too and can make mistakes, but this was a fatal error of judgement. They need to be held accountable as such.

    • @JDAbelRN
      @JDAbelRN Год назад +2

      What is quite perplexing is, unless the suspect was intoxicated or under the influence of some other drug, is why she herself didn't realize the danger of being placed in the police car that was parked on a railroad track. One may wonder why she didn't shout or scream at the officers as the train was barrelling down the tracks with it's warning horn blaring. I believe by law, train engineers are supposed to use their horns when approaching an intersecting roadway with the track at least a mile away. I am no way blaming the victim, as all involved, police, victim, train engineer, will be traumatized for life. I believe there are also audio recording devices on patrolmen, the police car itself, and the train should have video recordings of this tragic wreck. This a dumpster fire never to be extinguished.

    • @JDAbelRN
      @JDAbelRN Год назад

      What is quite perplexing is, unless the suspect was intoxicated or under the influence of some other drug, is why she herself didn't realize the danger of being placed in the police car that was parked on a railroad track. One may wonder why she didn't shout or scream at the officers as the train was barrelling down the tracks with it's warning horn blaring. I believe by law, train engineers are supposed to use their horns when approaching an intersecting roadway with the track at least a mile away. I am no way blaming the victim, as all involved, police, victim, train engineer, will be traumatized for life. I believe there are also audio recording devices on patrolmen, the police car itself, and the train should have video recordings of this tragic wreck. This a dumpster fire never to be extinguished.

  • @1stcal11-b2
    @1stcal11-b2 Год назад +358

    Police literally prioritize making sure every single circumstance that they engage in gets escalated to the max. So pathetic.

    • @shaan702
      @shaan702 Год назад

      Fucking cowards. You have 11B in your name so I’m assuming you’re army infantry. Police training always places officer safety as the first priority. In the army they tell you not to take unnecessary risks but you are trained to put the lives of others before your own. They drill in the idea of selfless service. If you are breaching a room, you are supposed to charge in with your stack even if you’re taking fire. Police on the other hand will allow an elementary school to get shot up rather than put a single officers life at risk. That why the guy standing next to the SUV hesitates and considers trying to save the woman locked inside but decides to save his own ass first.

    • @gabrielamartiniuc6322
      @gabrielamartiniuc6322 Год назад +19

      High narcissism for sure !

    • @KarlMarxFanClub
      @KarlMarxFanClub Год назад +27

      Absolutely agree! They make everyone nervous and then they become hostile. Their supposed to be the calm ones.

    • @gabrielamartiniuc6322
      @gabrielamartiniuc6322 Год назад +14

      Yep! They’re supposed to solve problems not escalate them!!

    • @marquisdelafayette1929
      @marquisdelafayette1929 Год назад

      They are arrogant.,why? Because they get away with their bad behavior because it has no consequences. In fact, it’s literally encouraged. They only care about wins to feed their ambitions , not justice.
      I remember reading an article about how the majority of cops in positions of power are there because arrests. Since the “war on drugs” they have gotten tons of federal funding and it’s based on results. So a vice cop making busts for even the most minor charges, they are a win.
      Homicide investigators who do real work loses out because they don’t generate enough arrests to keep the fed money coming in. So the dirty cop and/ or incompetent one ends up in power precisely because of that. Somehow 30 weed possessions are better than 1 killer.

  • @RR-kz4hq
    @RR-kz4hq Год назад +16

    That deputy stopped and thought about trying to help her and clearly decided not to.

  • @nonprogrediestregredi1711
    @nonprogrediestregredi1711 Год назад +115

    You "engineered" a very good analysis, Dr Grande. I believe that these officers may have "derailed" their careers with this incident. Perhaps they should "train" them better. It's nearly unbelievable that they were unable to keep "track" of that poor woman.

    • @HeatherHolt
      @HeatherHolt Год назад +10

      😅 I see what u did there

    • @Auditgod
      @Auditgod Год назад +6

      Someone should conduct a thorough investigation.

    • @Auditgod
      @Auditgod Год назад +5

      If found guilty, they should be run out of town on a rail.

    • @Auditgod
      @Auditgod Год назад

      If not, someone should blow the whistle on the whole thing.

    • @MeowMeow-yw1zp
      @MeowMeow-yw1zp Год назад

      I’m sure the investigation will conclude that one officer will have to resign and go a county or state over for new employment, the other officers will be considered innocent bystanders, and the taxpayers will be hit with a twenty five million dollar bill, and the victim will be handicapped for the rest of her life. Real heroes there🤔🖕

  • @9Ballr
    @9Ballr Год назад +35

    "How many police officers does it take to realize that one of them is parked on the railroad tracks?" All we know is it's more than three.

  • @rullmourn1142
    @rullmourn1142 Год назад +630

    Thank you for doing my request, Dr Grande. There is no excuse for this, illegally parked on RR tracks. The whole thing was a lazy, inept circus. That small town is facing major class action lawsuits, now.

    • @coolbreeze6198
      @coolbreeze6198 Год назад

      I hope she gets all she can from those idiots 👍

    • @Almighty_GOD
      @Almighty_GOD Год назад +20

      clearly several avoidable lessons that Fortunately did not take the life of the Civilian and will be Valuable for educating future generations on a myriad of critical thinking skills

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад +49

      Local insight: Anyone living or working near US-85 KNOWS that track is active with frequent train traffic. In other words, the Platteville AND Fort Lupton police force would have been more than aware of the risk. I mean, really, it is ridiculously unbelievable this happened! I'm absolutely floored... Just..........wow.

    • @LenaL146
      @LenaL146 Год назад +23

      OMG this is absolutely terrible- thank god she survived. These are such stupid and thoughtless actions by police, I can’t believe this!!!!

    • @tod3msn
      @tod3msn Год назад +34

      This is not a class action case. This is a civil litigation case involving negligence. Class action means multiple litigants with multiple cases being put together in once case. There was only ONE litigant. The woman stopped. This is a negligence case.

  • @jaycuthbert245
    @jaycuthbert245 Год назад +12

    It's a miracle she's alive.
    Also, imagine how scared out of her mind she must have been seeing an oncoming train coming in her direction at the same time she's handcuffed and locked in a police car whilst oblivious officers are stood there and chatting. Absolutely ludicrous

    • @WhyteLis21
      @WhyteLis21 Год назад

      Well, she alive, because, whatever god she had pray to won't let her die, just yet. So, she can take vengeance upon her captive, now. I believe.

  • @hannahd.3313
    @hannahd.3313 Год назад +5

    In my hometown, there have been LED signs by railroad tracks that say "SEE TRACKS, THINK TRAIN." I always thought this was stating the obvious, but I guess I stand corrected.

  • @lciav
    @lciav Год назад +453

    They definitely should be punished for their negligence. It’s ridiculous that they parked on the tracks to begin with!

    • @jesserdo9963
      @jesserdo9963 Год назад +8

      they wont tho !! back the blue.

    • @flamerssoul
      @flamerssoul Год назад +11

      They should be fired.

    • @HypocritesExposd
      @HypocritesExposd Год назад +16

      They will be forced to take a paid vacation on “administrative leave.” Those poor cops!!!

    • @steve10
      @steve10 Год назад +11

      Why is no one mentioning prison , the only punishment should be jail

    • @HypocritesExposd
      @HypocritesExposd Год назад +6

      @@steve10 she is going to jail. The woman who was hit by the train is. The cops are above the law.

  • @SavageMinnow
    @SavageMinnow Год назад +618

    I thought for sure this was going to result in her death. The fact that she lived thru that is amazing. All of the police officers on the scene should face repercussions, particularly the ones who parked on the tracks, and left the woman in the vehicle.

    • @lapislazarus8899
      @lapislazarus8899 Год назад +47

      She's f***ed for the rest of her life. She'll probably end up disabled from her injuries... Only 20 years old, SMH. I'm glad (some) police departments have changed policy on high-speed pursuit after so many innocent casualties. But this stop wasn't necessary. If they had the plate #, then they had the registered owner's address. Could have found her that way. The cops did not make visual of the crime, it was an accusation. It could've been phony, because they did not witness the road rage themselves! If there's no dashcam footage of her alleged road rage taken by the accusing party, they are at fault as well. Charge em with filing a false report.

    • @HurricaneJD
      @HurricaneJD Год назад +32

      I agree with you... it looks like they could have pulled up a little bit more too .... I truly do not see how she survived that... when I saw it I thought for sure she's dead. I cannot see any reason why to switch the blame to anybody but the cops... they really dropped the ball on that one

    • @beatle1956
      @beatle1956 Год назад

      You're right. The cops should be fired and charged criminally. This incident is beyond belief. I hope the victim wins a HUGE settlement from the state of Colorado. She will suffer mental and physical problems for the rest of her life. It's more than a miracle that she survived.

    • @rockyfalldownstairs
      @rockyfalldownstairs Год назад +31

      I think the only reason she lived is because the engineer and conductor on the train could probably see those lights on the patrol car from far away, giving them more time to hit the emergency brakes and slow down some.

    • @gaebren9021
      @gaebren9021 Год назад +23

      @@rockyfalldownstairs All hale the Engineer and Conductor on the train for at least using their brains. Heroes of the year!

  • @blueunicornhere
    @blueunicornhere Год назад +13

    The female officer from ft. Lupton is I believe the one from my video that won't help me push a stranded motorist out of the snowbank. She's super helpful.

  • @johngalt97
    @johngalt97 Год назад +18

    The act of suggesting to a LEO that they are failing to 'maintain control' is in itself a challenge to said 'control'. LEO's are trained to never acknowledge any failure to 'control' in order to not let any remaining 'control' deteriorate. Eventually, they lose the distinction between actual control and 'acting like you're in control', and then get smacked down by reality. Also, LEOs seem to have problems acknowledging when they are, and aren't, allowed to lie.

  • @whosaidthat9265
    @whosaidthat9265 Год назад +469

    The lack of awareness of their surroundings is absolutely shocking. This was…just wow. I can’t fathom being this idiotic. Nothing but open space around them yet that is where they stop AND even after placing handcuffs on her, failed to move the police vehicle. I just can’t 🤦🏽‍♀️

    • @reneegardner2286
      @reneegardner2286 Год назад +35

      he knew, he just didn't care 💯

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад +34

      Local insight: Anyone living or working near US-85 KNOWS that track is active with frequent train traffic. In other words, the Platteville AND Fort Lupton police force would have been more than aware of the risk. I mean, really, it is ridiculously unbelievable this happened! I'm absolutely floored... Just..........wow.

    • @whosaidthat9265
      @whosaidthat9265 Год назад +22

      @@blessADD_DK that makes it even worse BUT, I will say, even if I had never been there before in my life train tracks = absolutely no stopping zone. Just a good common sense rule of thumb. Absolutely insane!

    • @Leanne-mw8nm
      @Leanne-mw8nm Год назад +1

      I know, why didn't they have the officer physically move the car?!! Stupid idiots!!!!! Most police officers are all corrupt anyways!!! They are totally responsible for her "murder,"!! I HATE 😒 the law, politicians, and even most people, cuz most people don't have no common sense!!

    • @whosaidthat9265
      @whosaidthat9265 Год назад +17

      @Jeff C more pitiful obsession with online trolling. Get a life

  • @KINGSOP2000
    @KINGSOP2000 Год назад +98

    This is so infuriating and the police wonder why people don’t trust them🤬

  • @Angela-hm3xt
    @Angela-hm3xt Год назад +14

    My heart jumped. I'm so glad she survived.

  • @Technoirz
    @Technoirz Год назад +2

    Talk about PTSD for life, nightmares that will wake you in the middle of the night.

  • @brown.frown.
    @brown.frown. Год назад +64

    Can you imagine being her in that car? Watching that train coming right toward you, cuffed & everything?

    • @TheFixIsIn-fe1jy
      @TheFixIsIn-fe1jy Год назад +7

      That's a nightmare.

    • @brown.frown.
      @brown.frown. Год назад +4

      @@TheFixIsIn-fe1jy right...train tracks without arms always scare me anyway & my friends used to tease me in high school by crossing soon before a train would come, or would would just lie & say one was coming just to scare me. So this is ultimate nightmare scenario. Cops & a train...hell no.

  • @GinaHarmeyer
    @GinaHarmeyer Год назад +146

    If ever there was a valid reason to sue, it is this case! I really believe this is just lack of critical thinking, or thinking in general, on the behalf of every officer present. It's amazing that this woman lived through it.

    • @sheilagravely5621
      @sheilagravely5621 Год назад +13

      3 cops and not one noticed a train, that was blowing the horn, no less.

    • @ddollx
      @ddollx Год назад +3

      This was intentional.

    • @didgya
      @didgya Год назад +2

      @@ddollx Probably not. They knew everything was being recorded but I've been wrong before lol

    • @sponish0
      @sponish0 Год назад +1

      @@ddollx I mean that’s unlikely that didn’t know she would stop near a train track so it couldn’t of been planned before and doesn’t make much sense they’d purposely get there own squad car hit by a train. Does seem more stupidity than anything

  • @thealexanderbond
    @thealexanderbond Год назад +4

    Lol, "The officers would have arrested the engineer if they could have for not respecting their authority."
    That's an actual good one.
    I'm surprised they didn't radio in a hit and run.

  • @bcpr9812
    @bcpr9812 Год назад +3

    I can remember as far back as age six how I was taught to be careful around train tracks. SIX.

  • @paulcarney2842
    @paulcarney2842 Год назад +111

    I can’t fathom the young lady in the back of the cruiser having to watch that train coming right at her and hearing that horrific whistle. Not sure how much that small town police department can afford, but she’s getting all of it, rightfully so!

    • @paulcarney2842
      @paulcarney2842 Год назад +6

      @@KatherineLaura6564 bless your small thinking heart! This has nothing to do with the suspect, but all to do with the competency of police officers! To portray “some” kind of intelligence if they have the right to put you in handcuffs, detain you! Regardless of a murder suspect, or an innocent person!

    • @paulcarney2842
      @paulcarney2842 Год назад +4

      @@nataki8776 yes, true, but can very much have an affect on the local police budget per year! I’m for most ridiculous lawsuits being thrown out, but I’d award her 50m, 40 of it being punitive! She suffered 9 broken ribs, broken arm, broken leg, facial fractures, and I heard a torn spleen, might be wrong on the last injury! Her injuries will be chronic, she’ll never physically be the same! Of course I’m not even bringing up her mentality from it she’ll have for life

    • @paulcarney2842
      @paulcarney2842 Год назад

      @@KatherineLaura6564 nice, you convicted her without a trial! You didn’t excel in higher learning, did you? My words are a waste with your lack of intellect!

    • @ianbattles7290
      @ianbattles7290 Год назад +3

      That town is going to be auctioning off their library books to pay her inevitable judgment.

    • @mp1201
      @mp1201 Год назад +4

      @@paulcarney2842 I would think she had a traumatic brain injury as well and the effects of that can be pronoun. She was only 20 years old and now her life is irrevocably changed. Clearly, not for the better.

  • @josiej8971
    @josiej8971 Год назад +59

    They should lose their jobs for this. Children even know better than to stop on railroad tracks. This woman is going to suffer to recover but will end up a millionaire.

    • @josephvanname3377
      @josephvanname3377 Год назад +3

      You are wrong. They should be given capital punishment with _XTR_ T**T*R*. Having them lose their jobs is a complete and total insult because most people lose their jobs for the most trivial thing or for absolutely no reason at all!

    • @Cuinn837
      @Cuinn837 Год назад

      I was warned about trains running too fast to stop quickly when I was in elementary school.

  • @Swanky95472
    @Swanky95472 Год назад +11

    Literally made me cry. This is so upsetting. Cannot believe the woman in car lived. I hope she sues and gets the highest monetary judgement ever in the US. Those puke police officers should ALL be fired and sent to jail for manslaughter.

  • @Retsy257
    @Retsy257 Год назад +2

    The incompetence is astounding in all manners.

  • @gazels11
    @gazels11 Год назад +66

    Eveyone who has a driver's license is taught to never ever park your car on railroad tracks. Not to mention it is absolute common sense. I always love your metaphors! 🤣

    • @TheMattTrakker
      @TheMattTrakker Год назад +1

      Seriously...that is like day 1 of drivers ed.

  • @maureeningleston1501
    @maureeningleston1501 Год назад +26

    Thank GOD that girl survived.🙏

    • @rustyshimstock8653
      @rustyshimstock8653 Год назад +1

      With any luck, she will have lifetime financial security.

    • @maureeningleston1501
      @maureeningleston1501 Год назад

      @@rustyshimstock8653 🤞🤞🤞 She certainly deserves that!!

    • @loralieisa
      @loralieisa 2 месяца назад

      She was very seriously injured though

  • @lisalynch629
    @lisalynch629 Год назад +8

    That they continued to search her car after she was hit was monstrous

    • @MarkoTiano
      @MarkoTiano 5 месяцев назад +1

      Because they needed something, anything, to get them out of what they did. Monstrous is absolutely right. No sight of remorse or empathy I seen in that incident...none.

  • @1ROB82
    @1ROB82 Год назад +8

    This situation is unimaginable… how the hell does this happen?

  • @maryfragain4812
    @maryfragain4812 Год назад +35

    Yes, that cop just walks away and leaves his victim to be hit by that train.
    Attempted Murder

    • @jaybee9269
      @jaybee9269 Год назад +8

      It’s negligence, not attempted murder.

    • @jessepitt
      @jessepitt Год назад +5

      No, it’s cowardice and indecision.

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад +1

      @Jon Adams - I see where you're going with this, but the key to "attempted murder" charges in about intent. I think that would be VERY hard to prove that any of the officers intended to kill her with the evidence provided. Here's my rationale:
      1. The Platteville cop (1st officer on site) seems to have had a vendetta about finding a presumed firearm, he did not place her in his vehicle and was not sure she was in the vehicle when the train hit. He had to ask the female officer.
      2. The female Fort Lupton officer would be charged with the same, I think. It was in Platteville jurisdiction, therefore she placed the suspect in the Platteville officer's SUV. She does not seem to have had intent either, rather following jurisdictional guidelines, though negligent as well.
      3. The male Fort Lupton officer with the rifle MIGHT have a reasonable defence that the SUV would be a possible shield of protection vs getting her out of the vehicle - depending on how close the train was when he RAN AWAY.
      I think there are a bunch of charged/felonies outside of attempted murder, both criminal AND civil that these officers are facing, just not attempted murder...

    • @maryfragain4812
      @maryfragain4812 Год назад +3

      @@blessADD_DK
      Jon and I saw both cop's standing and talking with the woman in the cop's vehicle and they clearly saw and heard the train fastly approaching and there was plenty of time to MOVE the vehicle but they waited until the last second before walking away while the train hit the vehicle with her still inside and badly injured

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад

      @@maryfragain4812 - I can't use the words I want to in response. Cursey words.

  • @LostOnLandAgain
    @LostOnLandAgain Год назад +16

    Very glad the woman wasn't killed. What a horrible story!

  • @hearliestheglobe8423
    @hearliestheglobe8423 Год назад +1

    "As for the defence, I think that train has already left the station"....That was a true laugh out loud moment for me.

  • @Jay-hr3rh
    @Jay-hr3rh Год назад +1

    To cops a suspect is no longer a human being who deserves any kind of human conversation.

  • @mistrjt9213
    @mistrjt9213 Год назад +28

    Whether or not it’s an active track, doesn’t it just _feel_ uncomfortable parking right there?? 🤦🏻‍♂️
    🧠🤯🚂

    • @UncleBuZ
      @UncleBuZ Год назад +4

      Sociopaths...

    • @trillfate4479
      @trillfate4479 2 месяца назад

      ​@@UncleBuZnarcissism

    • @blackhat5434
      @blackhat5434 2 месяца назад

      @@trillfate4479 Traits? or NPD doctor? Are you saying multiple people with NPD working on the same platoon??

  • @Dallas-Nyberg
    @Dallas-Nyberg Год назад +120

    The police motto, "To serve and protect" was obviously forgotten here. It was a disgraceful act of neglect.

    • @Bitmodo
      @Bitmodo Год назад +15

      To “protect and serve” their corporate interests, look up the history of the “police”, started in Boston and was always for business interests and NEVER for the people.

    • @shaan702
      @shaan702 Год назад +1

      To serve and protect your own ass first. Just like Uvalde and countless other instances. They consistently put their own lives before the lives of others because that’s how they are trained. They think they are a persecuted minority so they have to look out for themselves first. Pathetic. No wonder they have trouble recruiting. What intelligent person would want to be associated with such an honorless cohort?
      They are #25 on the list of dangerous jobs in the US but they act like they are in danger 24/7. Police kill multiple times as many people as they themselves are killed.

    • @brandonhinrichs4393
      @brandonhinrichs4393 Год назад +3

      Don't forget it's to protect and serve and to commit perjury whenever it supports the state's case

    • @pandorasflame7742
      @pandorasflame7742 Год назад +13

      Sir, the SCOTUS has ruled that they have no duty to "serve and protect", just to uphold the law. There have been 4-6 cases where the SCOTUS has made the same conclusions. Policing in the United States is no longer based off of protecting the communities they serve and has made yhe dramatic shift towards state sponsored terrorism and extortion. Some communities are still treated to the luxury of the old style of policing, but by in large brute force and rigid hostility have taken over.

    • @gabrielamartiniuc6322
      @gabrielamartiniuc6322 Год назад +2

      Forgotten HERE? Or almost everywhere.

  • @Violexie-wb7op
    @Violexie-wb7op Год назад +5

    Oh my GOD. She is so lucky to be alive. I cannot believe the gross negligence and incompetence. 🤯
    Also, I appreciate the use of the maps and visual aides.

  • @elenaoakes8494
    @elenaoakes8494 Год назад +2

    The trauma she must have experienced seeing the train approaching and being unable to escape. Truly terrifying

  • @crippledalien5937
    @crippledalien5937 Год назад +14

    The crime of stupidity 100%

  • @ogarzabello
    @ogarzabello Год назад +26

    When I was a teenager and my father was teaching me to drive, the first day he told me: NEVER, NEVER, NEVER stop on railroad tracks.

  • @lorilyons3416
    @lorilyons3416 Год назад +3

    I live in Colorado. I’m so upset over this. Stupid pure stupid. That officer should be left on the train tracks. No excuse. Scary to think they are stupid enough to park on the tracks. They are in charge???

    • @loralieisa
      @loralieisa 2 месяца назад

      The officer who parked on the tracks had many complaints against him in his previous job at Federal Heights from his fellow officers. They stated he made them unsafe. Then he took a job in Platteville where he left his car on railroad tracks. He never should have been hired as a police officer anywhere ever after Federal Heights.The female officer should not be permitted to work as an officer anywhere ever. She had to have felt the tracks under her feet, and noticed the sign. They handcuffed that young girl rendering her harmless. Despite that her excuse for putting her in a cruiser on the tracks was she thought the night was going to end in a gunfight.

  • @DG-si2vp
    @DG-si2vp Год назад +14

    "Not surprisingly, the horn was attached to a moving train" 🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂 Dr. Grande at it again!!!

  • @NewWorldBuddha
    @NewWorldBuddha Год назад +100

    Not mentioned is that the arrested woman saw the train coming and tried desperately to get out of the vehicle while yelling at the officers. She was unable to do so due to being handcuffed and possibly being locked in the car.

    • @anastasia612
      @anastasia612 Год назад +7

      She wasn't even arrested. She was detained while the police were investigating.

    • @chocolateearrings
      @chocolateearrings Год назад +2

      If hands handcuffed behind back then, arrested. If handcuffed in front then, detained

    • @NewWorldBuddha
      @NewWorldBuddha Год назад +2

      I know some PDs require anyone involuntarily detained in a police vehicle be in handcuffs. Doors being locked may also be a requirement but could also vary by jurisdiction.

    • @bradchervel5202
      @bradchervel5202 Год назад +4

      @@chocolateearringsnot even remotely true

    • @seraphcreed840
      @seraphcreed840 Год назад +5

      In custody would mean they are responsible for her right?

  • @DomD82
    @DomD82 Год назад +3

    "... I'm sure they will complain they are getting railroaded. But as far as that defense, I think that train has left the station." Solid burn Doc.

  • @lisahughes8779
    @lisahughes8779 Год назад +2

    Can you imagine the fear that woman must have felt as she watched that train barreling towards her?

  • @lonerebeI
    @lonerebeI Год назад +31

    The level of intelligence and common sense amongst so many cops and police departments is truly disturbing.

  • @darylexmachina7079
    @darylexmachina7079 Год назад +4

    Gross incompetence, negligence, and total failure of situational awareness. I'm a commercial driver, and it is drilled into my head to NEVER stop on railroad tracks.

  • @uomodonore245
    @uomodonore245 Год назад +2

    I've meet cops with egos so big they acted like they were more powerful than a locomotive so this incident doesn't surprise me. LOL!

  • @Yzrch
    @Yzrch Год назад +3

    How do you manage to make all these puns with such a straight face???!

  • @beverlytrice6246
    @beverlytrice6246 Год назад +42

    Oh Doc, the train had already left the station before these cops hit the streets that night! They had no concern for the woman in the vehicle! The only thing they saw was their careers being destroyed by that train. But they were misplacing the blame…their own actions didn’t need a train to point out their inadequacies. Thank God the woman didn’t die!

    • @mkuti-childress3625
      @mkuti-childress3625 Год назад +3

      She’s probably going to be messed up both physically and emotionally for the rest of her life, though. I really feel for her.

  • @mistagunther8569
    @mistagunther8569 Год назад +8

    1000 lawyers have lined up for this one!!! 💰💵💰💵💰💵💰💵💰💵💰💵

  • @ap70621
    @ap70621 Год назад +2

    Imagine sitting there watching a train approach you and not being able to do anything about it.

  • @rhenvao2844
    @rhenvao2844 Год назад +1

    This was lethal stupidity in its purest form.

  • @rejaneoliveira5019
    @rejaneoliveira5019 Год назад +177

    Thanks!
    I think this case speaks to the invincibility that police officers believe to possess.
    It’s tragic that she almost lost her life because of their utterly negligent behavior.
    Excellent analysis! Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤️

  • @lauralamantia5514
    @lauralamantia5514 Год назад +21

    The level of negligence in this case is criminal. I don't say this often but those cops belongs in jail. I'm so glad that young lady survived , she probably woke up in the hospital with a lawyer holding her hand and another fluffing her pillow. She better own that police department when this is over.

  • @andromeda1903
    @andromeda1903 Год назад +2

    can you imagine that girl's terror? OMG i can't believe she survived!

  • @tgg1765
    @tgg1765 Год назад +2

    The puns are out of this world. I love it.

    • @johnkeith2450
      @johnkeith2450 Год назад +2

      They were great, but let's get back on track with the story 😀

  • @andreamatheson5760
    @andreamatheson5760 Год назад +129

    The video of the whole event is just spine chilling. For two people to ignore the fact the car was on the tracks is just unfathomable. The female officer saw it at least twice. Once when she first approached the scene and then again when she put the female into the car. I just don't understand how this could have happened. It's just mortifying . I hope the woman makes a full recovery and then they are held accountable to the fullest extent of the law.

    • @karenkitchen6780
      @karenkitchen6780 Год назад +7

      I hope she sues the whole damn county!!

    • @Surannhealz
      @Surannhealz Год назад

      Even when they walked up to the damaged car, they weren’t calling out or showing any sign of concern for the “suspect”.

    • @MeowMeow-yw1zp
      @MeowMeow-yw1zp Год назад +1

      It’s extremely flat and visibility is clear for several miles in each direction as well. The officer on administrative leave will get paid for the next year as he sits at home, goes on vacation, and claims he’s the victim. Ultimately, he’ll resign and move a county or state over and get hired. The other officers will face zero responsibility for their inadequate, pathetic actions, and the local tax payers will pay millions to a young lady that will be permanently disabled. Obviously the officers would do things differently but that’s the problem with law enforcement these days. I’m not a “defund the police” moron but as a pretty successful, law abiding citizen that got his last ticket twenty six years ago for speeding on campus because I was late for a college final, I can legitimately say that I haven’t had a positive experience with any law enforcement officer in my life. There’s not a few bad apples, there’s a few good ones. Even people that join law enforcement for the right reasons become tyrants real fast or they’ll be ostracized and shunned by the higher ups and their peers. They’ll lie on reports, lie on the stand, or turn a blind eye (which is the most common act in my opinion) as they watch their “brothers in blue” violate their oath to the constitution and citizenry which inherently makes them bad cops too!!! Most cops are uneducated, arrogant, aggressive, liars🤬. I’m well aware they have a tough and dangerous job but I have to say that the fact that cops, sheriffs, highway patrol, etc make over six figures very quickly with six months in “cop” school while simultaneously, teachers with college degrees and masters degrees literally make a third of what the officers make really exhibits how disgusting our priorities have become and it’s truly disheartening🤬🤔😢

    • @crs02221960
      @crs02221960 Год назад

      I don't believe she will make a full recovery. I believe she will suffer from PTSD, anxiety, depression and chronic pain. She will require physical therapy and psychiatric therapy. She may very well become addicted to prescription pain medication. I hope I am wrong.

  • @kge420
    @kge420 Год назад +11

    “The horn was attached to a moving train.” That’s gold!

  • @humansvd3269
    @humansvd3269 9 месяцев назад +2

    The female cop that got charged was found guilty by a judge for two counts of wreck less endangerment.

  • @mamacitadelosperros533
    @mamacitadelosperros533 Год назад +5

    I had watched this video when it first was posted. Thank you for letting us know the girl survived, as they failed to mention her status after the event.

    • @allergyahead8128
      @allergyahead8128 Год назад +2

      Her new status is the owner of that town.

    • @dubongros3108
      @dubongros3108 Год назад

      I'm just glad she got out of the hospital.

  • @maddieb2512
    @maddieb2512 Год назад +133

    I just saw this story yesterday. I can't wait to your take on it. The neglect is just absolutely astounding. I don't think they put any thought to a train possibly coming at all. They were too engrossed with the thrill of situation. I really hope they're charged with a crime.

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад +9

      They should be charged, hands down. That is an active track with heavy train traffic - and the highway alongside is busy as well. There's no way local law enforcement can claim they thought it was an inactive track or weren't thinking about it. Horrifying

    • @maddieb2512
      @maddieb2512 Год назад +1

      @Jeff C How was it dumb to use the word absolutely?

    • @verindictus3639
      @verindictus3639 Год назад +5

      @@maddieb2512, he's just a troll, just ignore him.

  • @cottontails9003
    @cottontails9003 Год назад +83

    Watching that video my heart was in my throat, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. It would appear that all common sense from the police went flying out the window. I'm truly amazed that woman survived. Thank you Dr Grande. Brilliant analysis and informative topic.

  • @thomaspham4170
    @thomaspham4170 Год назад +2

    I only came here for the puns and I was not disappointed! 🙂 Dr Grande exceeded expectation with this delivery and I love the way he did it while keeping a straight face like it's just another day in the office ... MasterClass, I tell you!!!

  • @abelis644
    @abelis644 Год назад +3

    I love your sense of humour... hehehe...
    That poor victim though, thank goodness she survived.
    She'll be compensated but, as I live with chronic pain, I know that money helps, but people would rather not have life changing incidents.

  • @shawnnewell4541
    @shawnnewell4541 Год назад +16

    I couldn't believe how stupid the cop was to park on the tracks in the first place. You learn this in driver's education as a teenager.

  • @douchecraft3113
    @douchecraft3113 Год назад +41

    This is really going to derail the confidence locals put in the police force.

  • @Real_McPhee
    @Real_McPhee Год назад +2

    This is already going to be a very expensive mistake for multiple agencies and cities. Now imagine if there was a camera inside that car that captured the audio right before impact, goodness gracious. That would not play well in front of a jury. How unequivocally terrifying it must have been to be handcuffed (and usually in a seatbelt) only to see those trains lights coming right at you.

  • @browniehendricks3726
    @browniehendricks3726 Год назад +3

    Again you change up the kind of content you cover. That keeps us on our toes. You don't have a one track mind. Thanks for all you do. Keep up the good work and take care.

  • @moxiemaxie3543
    @moxiemaxie3543 Год назад +15

    "People in the area are required to use COMMON SENSE...about crossing the tracks"
    --That requires thinking 😕

  • @shroomyk
    @shroomyk Год назад +66

    I love your takes on these subjects. The humor and puns are great too. When I first heard the story, I half-jokingly thought to myself, "I'm surprised the cops didn't shoot at the train and arrest the train driver for 'assaulting' them." Even as kids, we knew better than these cops apparently.

    • @portia6498
      @portia6498 Год назад +2

      These puns were awful and mistimed. I lost my whole train of thought .

    • @seraphcreed840
      @seraphcreed840 Год назад

      @@portia6498 I laughed too hard at that haha. Super nice

  • @angiemorgan8173
    @angiemorgan8173 Год назад +1

    This might be a record of the most puns made by Dr. Grande during one episode. For that alone, this might be my favorite one yet.

  • @susannadler9791
    @susannadler9791 Год назад +2

    Growing up in a location with railroad tracks running throughout the town, I learned never to stop on the tracks and also to look both ways even if the crossing alarm isn’t active. This case is incredibly disturbing. I’m surprised this woman survived. Those officers deserve various levels of blame and severe consequences.

  • @GSP-76
    @GSP-76 Год назад +45

    Wow, I got an early notification for once.
    Those officers were woefully negligent... unbelievable. They all need to do time in prison for this fiasco.

    • @billflipper1130
      @billflipper1130 Год назад +6

      They don't even get fired for shooting an unarmed suspect. They aren't going to prison for this.

    • @oceandove
      @oceandove Год назад

      @@billflipper1130 however trapping a handcuffed suspect in the back of a police vehicle , then with more than one officer present that all ignore an oncoming train about to hit the woman is beyond negligence. It was cruel and they didn’t give a f**k. Could all have been avoided entirely. Don’t be too sure there won’t be consequences for these so called police officers.

  • @Hollylivengood
    @Hollylivengood Год назад +91

    I'm so glad that you said it looked like the officer wasn't cowardly, he just wasn't thinking of the prisoner at all. When I first saw the body cam, I thought that. It wasn't even a thought. He started walking toward the car, not the woman, then he turned around like "Oh well, there goes the car," like not a thing, and tells them to move their cars. Not even a thought about the woman.

    • @dahawk8574
      @dahawk8574 Год назад +4

      If Grande had done simple research, he would have highlighted the fact that vid cam timetags showed that there were TWO MINUTES from the time the Custody was places into the cruiser before the train hit.
      ALL 3 were criminally negligent.
      One other key aspect Grande ignored:
      WHY these cops aren't IN JAIL. That action should have happened that very same night.

    • @loralieisa
      @loralieisa 2 месяца назад

      @@dahawk8574 The cop that parked on the tracks had many complaints against him at the previous police dept. by fellow officers that said they felt unsafe because of him. The he got himself a job at the neighboring town and seriously injured a young girl by leaving his car on the tracks, I do wonder if she really had a gun. If it wasup to me those police would have been charged with felonies.

  • @SmokeyGoodness
    @SmokeyGoodness Год назад +2

    Always, ALWAYS assume there WILL be rail traffic, even if the particular line is exempt.

  • @bthomson
    @bthomson Год назад +1

    It's amazing how we all wait for the Grande video to stimulate us to think and comment on the most important human shortcomings! We need this!

  • @GGiblet
    @GGiblet Год назад +70

    Everything you said Doc. This was just horrible! That poor young woman💔 she must've been absolutely terrified as the train approached, the police just abandoned her to be smashed😞

    • @michellevickersdixon1141
      @michellevickersdixon1141 Год назад +6

      I've been seeing to much negligence. Any lay person would have known not to park on railroad tracks. I can't imagine the terror that lady felt with the train coming. This was so avoidable. It gets me that not one officer saw this was an accident waiting to happen. Don't get me wrong I back the blue but in this case I say complete negligence on their part.

  • @seanshong2048
    @seanshong2048 Год назад +45

    They got paid administrative leave as a consequence for their actions.. they got rewarded after doing something so egregiously stupid.
    “You go on vacation to hawaii and think about what you did..” smh

    • @Tortilla.Reform
      @Tortilla.Reform Год назад +1

      And they will also have the protections of qualified immunity down the line. And working relationships with the prosecutors who bring charges for the state. And the assumption of goodwill from a jury and judges. And the strongest union in the country that reinstates and rewards bad officers historically

    • @reneegardner2286
      @reneegardner2286 Год назад

      exactly 🥴

    • @blessADD_DK
      @blessADD_DK Год назад +2

      They will have a HARD time finding a sympathetic jury in Adams or Weld counties, believe me! (For context, I left several replies to comments above). I'm a local and find their actions abhorrent.

    • @slac25
      @slac25 Год назад

      @@Tortilla.Reform qualified immunity does not exist here in Colorado

    • @Tortilla.Reform
      @Tortilla.Reform Год назад

      @@slac25 that’s helpful in civil court on the state level, but they do still have working relationships with prosecutors and judges, the assumption of goodwill from the public that makes up juries, and a good old boy culture of protecting and covering up for each other using the power, authority, and social sway they have as officers. And the most powerful unions in the country on a local level, known for protecting problem officers like Brady List cops (and I’m absolutely pro-union)

  • @MyelinProductions
    @MyelinProductions Год назад +2

    WOW! UNBELIEVABLE!!!! How Very Sad and VERY Negligent! Very POOR Form and Very Sub-standard "duty". They acted WAY Out-of-bounds and ignored reality. Sadly too many Officers act in this reckless and careless shortsighted "in-the-moment" process. Be Safe & Well out there. Peace & Health

  • @ritschardt
    @ritschardt 8 месяцев назад

    My father was a senior engineer with the South Australian Railways. He was fequently called to oversee the clean up of all railway accidents. In the case of level crossing crashes he complained to me about the police tying to take over running the process even though the level crossing was railway property and they had no experience in such matters except directing traffic.

  • @dannystumpf321
    @dannystumpf321 Год назад +12

    who the hell parks on tracks? i get nervous coming up to tracks in heavy traffic

    • @chop2093
      @chop2093 Год назад +1

      No kidding. Especially in the area that was remote and has no other traffic.

  • @sharondowling8896
    @sharondowling8896 Год назад +85

    Reckless, needing to dominate, lack of critical thinking skills- are these traits that can be trained away? Or are these individuals hopelessly untrainable? I wish Dr Grande could use these case studies to educate police officers. Once again, Dr Grande brings humor and insight to a baffling case. Thank you!❤

    • @procrastinator9
      @procrastinator9 Год назад +4

      I believe it could be both a personality type that is attracted to law enforcement and the training that U.S. cops receive. On top of that you get a culture that viciously clamps down on any criticism or even asking of questions topped with a heavy dose of victimhood mentality. Surround all that with a union that acts like an organized crime syndicate and you get a toxic mix that is impossible to fix in this climate. In many ways we'd all be just as well off with a bunch of amateur posse members to enforce the law. You would get reckless and emotional vigilantism, but the tax payer wouldn't be stuck with the law suit bills time and time again.
      Law enforcement needs to recognize that they are their own worst enemy. It isn't the criminals or the liberals who cause their profession the most damage. It's their own criminal behavior and cover ups. Much like the priesthood -- a thoroughly dishonored profession due to criminal behavior and cover ups.

  • @allergyahead8128
    @allergyahead8128 Год назад +2

    No one deserves that kind of physical and mental torture. Those cops knew what they were doing and something went horribly wrong. Their careers should be over and convicted of a serious crime.

  • @lyndao7356
    @lyndao7356 Год назад

    Beautifully explained. Thanks, Dr G.

  • @rrheipel
    @rrheipel Год назад +21

    I am sure they will charge Rios Gonzalez with trying to flee from police and resisting arrest. They graduated from the "Three Stooges Police Academy."

  • @sarah69420
    @sarah69420 Год назад +26

    I couldn't even call this negligent. It's downright malicious. There is no reason for any of this to have happened.

    • @ImaMes888
      @ImaMes888 Год назад +3

      Malicious means with intent to harm. Negligent means without taking proper care. They obviously did not take proper care, however they did not do this on purpose to harm the woman.

  • @jeffreyepsteinsclientlist6714
    @jeffreyepsteinsclientlist6714 Год назад +17

    With this level of negligence, one can’t help but wonder if there is more to this story.🤔
    No doubt this was little more than a horrific accident, caused by an abysmal lack of awareness, stupidity, and a sheer disregard for the wellbeing of a person in their custody, at very least, all involved should lose their jobs and never hold a position of power again.
    The puns were off the rails in this one, love ya work Doc!
    ❤from🇦🇺

  • @markbarret6836
    @markbarret6836 Год назад

    Thoughtful insightful thanks Dr. Grande

  • @carcher3279
    @carcher3279 Год назад +20

    "She responded to the scene because it was considered a high risk traffic stop...As it turns out, it was very high risk ...and not because of the suspect." I love Dr. Grande's sense of humour! ❤😂

  • @rickradix7464
    @rickradix7464 Год назад +41

    Glad your doing this one. This story hasn't gotten the coverage it deserves.

  • @jeanettenorman7052
    @jeanettenorman7052 Год назад +1

    I am the Granddaughter of a Railway Man. I learned very early to respect trains, they are stuck on tracks with very limited to no options in a crisis. Total negligence.

  • @Notyourgirl253
    @Notyourgirl253 Год назад

    Your contact is always spot on

  • @lilaworley8935
    @lilaworley8935 Год назад +56

    Thank you for discussing this. I was blown away by this level of negligence by multiple officers that should know protocol.

    • @frankevans6584
      @frankevans6584 Год назад +1

      Even Barney Fife would have known to not park on the tracks !

    • @falcon127
      @falcon127 Год назад +1

      I'M NOT SURPRISED BY THE LEVEL OF NEGLIGENCE AND INCOMPETENCE PLUS UTTER DISREGARD FOR THE SAFETY OF THE SUSPECT, (THEY) TOOK INTO CUSTODY, THE LAW REQUIRES THE COPS TO EXERCISE. SOME COPS ARE JUST COMPLETE IDIOTS,... WITH GUNS!