Native American Disagrees With Aztlan

[@josecontreras6702]

Don’t allow your enemy to teach you your history.
-Malcolm X

[@jesscast5122]

Indeed.

[@lactusgalacto1174]

@@Dante-pb4dy you are a clown boy, you think he should speak a foreign language to you, uh?

[@elmochomo8218]

@@Dante-pb4dy Xikintekipano iuikpa techaching

[@CrowdPleeza]

The key is to expose yourself to a variety of historical views.

[@liltexazboi361]

💯💯💯💯💯

[@tbl4r126]

Nahuatl is similar to many native American languages, because they are also Native Americans.

[@liliacreativity1751]

They are indiginious not native Americans. Anyone born in the Americas are native to the land. Indigenous were here before there was an America.

[@shaokhan2845]

@@liliacreativity1751 Indigenous can be interchangeable with Native American. The people of the Lakota tribe are just as indigenous/Native American as the people of Mixtec ancestry in southern Mexico for example.

[@jesscast5122]

Not just similar. They are the SAME PEOPLE.....

[@CROSSTATT]

One of its closest relatives is Navajo.

[@Bryan-bd5kc]

Wrong nahuatl is in the meso American language family nahuatl and zapotec mixtec Mayan are similar to each other like Italians Spanish French the meso American language family ends in northern Mexico

[@menme4546]

I'd like to remind everyone that before Europeans placed borders on our continent, we were all one people. Don't allow borders to separate us. We are one ✊🏽

[@CrowdPleeza]

Could you elaborate on what you mean by being "one people"? Weren't there tribal distinctions? Peoples who were allies and enemies of each other etc?
I remember seeing a TV program where it was pointed out that Europeans were helped in their conquering by manipulating rivalries that had already existed between different groups.

[@jinh817]

+CrowdPleeza Native People's history has been terribly twisted. The Government and the elite like to paint a picture of cannibal savages who they saved and helped. I'm not saying all tribes, nations, civilizations were perfect and everyone got along (even today in the present U.S. we are divided by our president and views), just don't believe everything you read and see on TV.

[@rickyb2673]

CrowdPleeza There is always a cover up story, Remember the treaties.

[@dukekenny9340]

me n me but it's to late

[@Dishodiwaba]

That's bullshit! We were NOT one! We killed each other just like the Europeans did. Sometimes we warred with other tribes that spoke the same language. The Nahua colonized all the people around them and were as brutal or more so than the Spanish that followed. So don't start with the "we were all one" shit. It's a LIE.

[@elizabethlopez4404]

We are not Chicano's that is another term of colonialism. We are natives of America: America as a continent. we had tribes up and down we all have or differences on the way we lived but we are brothers and sisters. that's it. Lest not let colonialism divide us.

[@zantimisfit4027]

Speak for yourself please, I am a proud Chicano.

[@txcaddo]

the elder was speaking to the chicanoism pan indian movement and did not say that chicanos are non-native, just the opposite he said we need dialogue

[@jesscast5122]

No. the word Chicano was actually a condescending word made by US Mexicans "Pochos" to relate to "Mexicanos"(chicanos)
but later the "Pochos" adopted that word to speak of themselves.......

[@yousuck2139]

Zanti Misfit then you are an uneducated idiot

[@josecorrea-bacajr.3157]

Yea

[@reymundoarmendariz]

He is Native but not the only Native or of the only Native peoples. The Uto Aztecan are also Natives and from the Southwest where Aztlan once was located.

[@joes4287]

the answer to his question "what does that make us" it makes us brothers we all one people the borders came in later

[@JaySantanaofficial]

Joe S everyone don't believe this fool. if u have proof colonists stole your land, take that shit back period. don't get bullied by the pale race

[@jumpingjupiter]

Joe S speak the truth! +

[@JoseRamirez-nz8gq]

It's the Jews they wanna make money one way or another

[@wanderingwade8877]

You're ignoring separate tribes and nations that existed before the Europeans came. It was a political move to come up with the term 'Hispanics' to unite a block of people who formerly saw distinctions between themselves. The same is happening with the uniting of a block of people called 'Native Americans' who also formerly saw distinctions among themselves.

[@NegaRenGenX2gay2lift]

​@@JoseRamirez-nz8gq hey you forgot your hood ruclips.net/video/7MlctoenxBk/видео.html

[@stewiegriffin1777]

Navajo people originally lived in eastern United States but of course were pushed south and west by American presidents over time.

[@jesscast5122]

Yes, Indigenous people of the WESTERN side have ASIAN DNA,
Even Forensic Criminal Science, can tell that the victim of a crime can be identified also by their HAIR as "Native American or Asian" bc of the Unique structure of their hair. and their features are also (evolved) Asian

[@jesscast5122]

Kalona: I don't deny your statement Bc the Navajo do have more ASIAN features that other Natives But it is still an extraordinary claim you make.
Please provide the evidence that the Diné came from Alaska.
Not to Challenge you but Rather, So we can all learn more.
Our History has been, (attempted) erased.
So we need to make ALL knowledge available.

[@jesscast5122]

Kalona Oh, I just saw this. One month late. but it is not working.

[@jesscast5122]

Kalona your link was not working because the ending was wrong.
It is HTM not COM
www.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/navajo.htm
I read the article and although it provides some indication of possibility and the bibliography offers 4 other sources; I would still have to see more scientific/ anthropological evidence. so far the only connection is only thru linguistics.
But hey! I speak Russian but I'm not Russian.......
On the other hand, there's plenty of Anthropological/Archeological evidence to show that the Navajo replaced or displaced the Anasazi

[@DrMACPOW]

Holy shit no wonder my Native American DNA comes from "East USA" o_O

[@jojo15166]

I spoken to many Native Americans and in my time I have gotten to know that other than the Aztecs and the Alamo that's the only thing they know of our culture in another words they have been taught or told history by the same people that colonized them and colonized. How do u expect them to know who we are and what are struggle and our cause is all about if they have been taught by the same oppressor that oppress us how do you aspect to gain freedom of mental slavery if your master is your teacher and your teacher wants to keep you in bondage. DNA has proven that are indigenous people in the Americas of North Central and South we're all DNA and genetically linked as one people

[@constantineaze245]

Alfredo Rivera thank you I'm half Apache and wayuu full blooded native

[@riv6580]

Exactly.

[@jorgedacosta8957]

Alfredo Rivera There is no such thing as Aztec

[@jesscast5122]

Alfredo: Yes, that's exactly the point I was making in my other posts here. Please check them out.

[@organizeordieunionstrong5444]

Alfredo Rivera right on good point

[@Mexica-qw3ok]

Mexicans , central americans , native americans and first nations people of canada using colonial terms. We are one people indigenous to this continent Cemanahuac ✊

[@-romanbellerose1546]

al red dog you can’t even spell

[@rexxcolt7689]

Depends on if mexicans claim there aztec and myan pagan roots. If they are only native when it benefits them than it's bullshit. I feel like north americans are in alliance meaning canadian and american ndns. But we still don't got anything special with south and central americans.

[@edgaralvarez1401]

Fr bro im mexican and look native. Tf explains that?

[@madero-jb5ri]

@@rexxcolt7689 Most of Latin America has a mixture of Indigenous and Spanish roots. Most of the food they eat is indigenous as well.

[@IkceWicasa_7]

Lee Francis Hey look its the Russian troll again! You’re getting as bad as these Afrocentric’s, I see your comments on almost every video that has to deal with “native Americans”.

[@georgewashingtonsanchez4836]

Aztlan does not say that the Southwest belongs to the Aztecs/Mexica or other Mexicans tribes but simply that the Aztecs originated in the Southwest, which genetics and the fact that Nahuatl along with other Mexican languages are all related to the languages of the Southwest (All grouped as the UltoAztecan languages) gives proof to that myth

[@jeanbethencourt1506]

George Washington Sanchez you are correct sir

[@scarletred1497]

Like the Hopi language is in the Uto-Aztecan language group and they've been in the same area(four corners area) according to their oral history.

[@orlandomolina7192]

Falcon The Prepper "spainer?"

[@purhepecha8686]

@George Washington Sanchez, I believe you are correct. Brother there seems to be wanting an applause from the white man.

[@gangstamack8397]

We did migrate from Southwestern USA

[@tourniqut]

2:46 " we can have a discussion wether Mexico should exist" with no Mexican in the room, isn't that imperialism too?

[@joseluiszambrano]

if you look into linguistics find the utha Aztecs languages. they state that from utha to Mexico spoke the same root language. Apache and some Aztec share the same linage.

[@Adam-tx1tr]

That’s false. The people who speak Nahuatl today are genetically related to Mayans and other central/southern Mexican ethnic groups. The language was carried down to southern Mexico. So the people who speak Nahuatl today do not descend from the Uto Aztecan ethnicities up north. Also the Apaches originally descend from Inuit like tribes from the north (Canada). Navajos and Apaches are more siberian influenced.

[@Threezi04]

Did you mean Uto-Aztecan?

[@gnomesayin1440]

@@Adam-tx1tr That's a lie. Nawas ARE Uto-Aztecans. The Maya languages have no relation to Nawatł'.

[@Adam-tx1tr]

GNOME SAYIN' It’s not a lie. I’m AWARE that Nahuatl is a uto aztecan language, what I’m saying, is that the people who speak Nahuatl today are NOT related to the people who speak uto aztecan languages up north. The people who speak nahuatl today are genetically and ancestrally related to the people of southern mexico.

[@gnomesayin1440]

@@Adam-tx1tr you're trippin bro

[@nenitoloco6]

We have never claim ownership over aztlan we come frome aztlan the serpent tribe, that is well documented,Mexico and american indigenous peoole are always been related and there is no modern conflicts betwen the two keep it that way.

[@kaylasilverfox473]

That's not true were at war everyday

[@elevenbravo584]

Then you’re at war with yourself.

[@kaylasilverfox473]

@James Garcia the Mexican Mestizo army turned on Ernesto Zapatista as soon as they evicted the Spanish ,even today indigenous mexicans are killed and raped by the Mexican national Army and sold into slavery by the cartels so shut the fuck up you ignorant halfbreeds

[@kaylasilverfox473]

@James Garcia LMFAO 😂🤣🤣🤣 no I said exactly what I mean .the mestizo turned on the indigenous mexicans during the war of independence

[@nenitoloco6]

@@kaylasilverfox473 What are you talking about? You don’t even know what you’re saying, the country with the largest indigenous population is Mexico where indigenous people from all backgrounds share the same country, our country’s name is Mexico, what is the name of your country? Are you country less? Mexicans are taking over the SW and you haven’t even notice.🥲

[@ChicanoOne760]

aztlan is not about colonialism. its means mexicans put down the mexican flag and or chicano flag and embrace the native blood that is obviously in our dna. it doesnt mean mexicans claiming land for the mexican government or ties to europe. thats the way it was taught to me

[@jinh817]

+shiranui This makes a'lot of sense. Many natives in Mexico that are no longer affiliated with a tribe have no knowledge, or access to information. It's sad to me that my own parents don't know their history and only know the European/Spanish history they were taught. They only speak a foreign language and practice a religion that was forced on their people. Some places are starting to change though. I hope for a future where Native people from all of the Americas, can connect and learn about each other and our history. Come together and stand along side one another for common struggles. Despite everything done to our ancestors, we're still here throughout all of the Americas (more divided than ever), but still standing. I can only imagine the great things are people can accomplish in unity.

[@jumpingjupiter]

MACDADDY760 the mexican flag is a European concept of colonization, how are we different from colonizers if we also plant a flag?

[@ChicanoOne760]

Francisco Velasco I said put down the flag.

[@ernestopicazo189]

Francisco Velasco a lot, you need to go to right after the independence, when México decided to let the americans live in texas to understand why the tribes there dont really know they history, in México we embrace and respect our indigenous blood(with some exceptions) however in the US they have lost the meaning of that

[@fragolegirl2002]

Colonialism does not have to come from europe. Natives did not even have flags to begin with. So you are getting your ideas from colonialism anyhow. I know that some whites say go back home when you are home (some chicanos been here for centuries) but dont tell all whites to go away, that makes you no different than your enemies by bringing up azlan as proof of land ownership, some white people are awesome and I consider them my people. I am a quichua of ecuador descendent from near lake titicaca but I dont try to claim ownership of bolivia/peru just because my migrant ancestors came from there. Science proves we all came from africa, should we claim ownership of that too?

[@chaostheory2219]

The whole Western hemisphere is native. It sure as hell doesn't belong to European-Americans or anybody else

[@chaostheory2219]

@Idk Idk you are going to tell me white people are native to the western hemisphere? do you know how dumb you sound. 🤦‍♂️

[@saulcoria8679]

I've always wondered that. How is Aztlan "ours" if they are still Natives on that land and have been for millennium?
After some digging, I've come to the realization that Aztlan wasn't the entire US Southwest. There are still debates on where Aztlan existed. Anyways, it makes sense that Aztlan was somewhere in the southwest, if not Northern Mexico, because the Uto-Aztecan language family branches from the Shoshone in Southern Idaho, thru the Southwest and Mexico and finally ends with the Pipil in El Salvador. The Nahuatl/Mexica People where most likely semi-nomadic peoples and their home Aztlan was probably somewhere in the SouthWest or Northern Mexico. But to claim the entire Southwest as "ours" is just arrogant and it even does have a "colonial" feel to it as mentioned in the video. Chicanos need to stop claiming the entire Southwest as their own. Why not get to know the people of the Southwest and have cultural exchanges instead? Who knows, your ancestors might have been cousins.

[@fragolegirl2002]

Exactly :D well said. Just give some brown love and learn about each other

[@johnhernandez5783]

Wonder how long will it take them to find the aztlan tablets in California hmm maybe another 1,000 years xd

[@PunkHipHopper]

The reason behind Mexicans claiming Aztlan isn't for a power play. Its to show we belong here. We're just as Native as the Natives in the US and do not get treated that way. If a Mohawk native came from New York to California they'd still considered native but a Mexican comes from Chihuahua to New Mexico and all the sudden they are foreign or illegal.

[@PunkHipHopper]

Daniel Valencia it doesn’t matter what people identify as in Mexico. Take away Latin/Hispanic culture from most Mexican people and they’re native. If I and other non cultural natives want to identify with our roots and not Hispanic culture I can and will whether we have a specific tribe we can point at or not.

[@allgrodriguezrod7064]

Regardless if Aztlan was here or there or anywhere, that is beside the point. The important thing is to realize that our bloodlines are intertwine with each other, we are all related-- We Are All One People. And if we fail to realize this we will never unite as one and the white men will always stare at us with indifference, and say to each other, "Why should we worry, they are the same Savages. They haven't changed." Let's no make this our Legacy.

[@nelsonrivera981]

Walls and fences were first put in by Europeans in our continent, about year 1600. Many Native Americans like me, thought, that was crazy idea, to put a fences on our vast land. We did not know that walls and fences meaning was "Property Ownership". Native Americans never sold an inch of this vast land and in our mind, this our land and cannot be divided. Now, America is completely fenced as our land has been stolen or improperly taken. It is crazy. Native Americans always welcomed everyone to share our bounty but now is ridiculous as it was back on the 1600. Fences and walls are not a good idea for us.

[@dukekenny9340]

Nelson Rivera that what happened when people believe in open borders

[@jesscast5122]

Yeah, these are Your believes bc whites stole the land. But whites are now losing the status quo of dominance. and eventually will be reduced to an insignificant "minority" and this is the Biggest Fear for your white pale ass.... LOL
in Fact, white are already the minority, when you consider the rest of the world as *non-whites vs whites*. and that's an acceptable consideration bc whites have made enemies of the whole world population that was not white.

[@nelsonrivera981]

No Bob, having a Hispanic last name or name, does not make me be from Spain. Chief Geronimo, had a Hispanic name and spoke spanish too and he was not from Spain either. The reason why 80% of the American continent (Yes, all the countries in America) speak spanish, and have spanish names, is because, they, (Spaniards) came 1st to America and were ahead of England and the rest of Europe for almost 100 years. Many historical books have been changed or omitted. I believe England and other countries had tried to change many historical events, but we do not forget.

[@nelsonrivera981]

Bob, you are confused. You want to defend something that has not merit. You want to change history like many others. Geronimo was baptise by hispanic priest and he used to carry a cross with him. But you believe whatever you want to believe. The truth is, what you and many call "the Hispanic or Spanish people" in America. We are 80% of the population of the American continent, and there is no wall that would stop such a massive population. Amen. If you don't like it, you can go back to Europe.

[@nelsonrivera981]

Well, I am not from Europe and my blood is Native American. Again, if you don't like it you can go back to Europe.

[@AXLOTL_QUESTIONS]

Mexica, Inca and Mayan in our family and we are proud of our temples which our ancestors built in Mexica and Guatemala. Machu Picchu in Peru is magical unlike any other place you ever seen before. Corn was born in Mexica and fed your families. There are studies today linking the Mexicas to Lake Michigan area. We are not claiming that area as ours we simply want to know where our ancestors of the north journey began before settling in present day Mexico City The eagle purched on catcus devouring the serpent.

[@jesscast5122]

@Venado
" The eagle purched on catcus devouring the serpent."
That Prophecy was born in the LAND of UTAH When our ancestors were still part of the Paiutes. (Pah UTE people from UTA aka "UTAH") from there they migrated looking for the new Homeland, as told in the prophecy which they FINALLY found in Lake TEXCOCO.

[@nahuatldrumsandmusic8174]

@@jesscast5122 happy to see more people recognizing utah and lake bonneville being part of the beginnings of the Mexica when they were called "acolhua" later on they changed name once in the today known as Mexico City, but thank you for sharing, keep spreading the word

[@jesscast5122]

@@nahuatldrumsandmusic8174 Indeed! Thank you.

[@jobsearch5871]

@@jesscast5122 yes thank you. I did not know this myself and will research more on it

[@jobsearch5871]

@@jesscast5122 do you know where I could find information on the link of the flag to Utah?

[@richardazhocar676]

The entire USA is not Aztlan, which is an area in the desert east of the Los Angeles Metropolitan area, and interprets as whiteland because of the color of the dirt or sand in the Shoshonian language of the Nahuatal speaking members of the Mexica tribe which became the major ruling tribe of what became known as the Aztec empire in the Valley of Mexico.

[@littles3715]

Dude you even look Mexican..Native americans and Mexicans are the same.They look exactly the same.Its the same blood line.

[@Yosef_X_]

Yes we are the same all one race just separated by white mens borders because of colonialism

[@daigomori7374]

You even look "Mexican". Mexican is not a race. This dude is Native American. Some Mexicans are natives, Meztizos, white, black etc.

[@tesselaynes5428]

so the English man after the native man said that the Englishman discounts his intelligence by the color of his skin goes on to further insult the native man by saying that his assertion is an accusation and childish at that. so he just proved the native mans point. I dont know why indigenous people are called Americans as they were here before Amerigo.

[@megaluke007]

You can't view Native Americans, no matter what percentage they are, as US citizens?

[@sassoscrib]

for those of you that don't know, there is a linguistic connection between the Utes of Utah and the Aztecs of Mexico..this indicates a common ancestry between both groups..If Aztlan was a place, it was most like at or near Utah.

[@jesscast5122]

Dude, I written about this, HERE, for several Years before YOU!! Read my other comments.
"Aztlan" is the equivalent of "Heaven" for Christians.........but READ the rest of my comments

[@24cantshoot48]

All Native Americans share an ancestry, but then again, so does almost the entire human race.
P.S. the Uto in Uto-Aztecan is really more Shoshonean... despite the linguistic family’s name.

[@rodrigochacon5479]

@@jesscast5122 They won't understand, 'cause that's the colonizers' way. It's useless to educate them.

[@eliorocha10]

Yes, that is true. They even found paintings and drawings in a Utah cave that have Aztec resemblance. The legend says the Aztecs came from a land far north and migrated south to found their capital in the valley of Mexico. I don't close my eyes to the posibility their native land "Aztlan" was Utah.

[@shaokhan2845]

@@eliorocha10 Would it not be possible for an upward migration from a small portion of Natives in central mexico

[@frankpichardo5299]

Certainly the languages spoken in the American South West are from the same family as Nahuatl, but no one knows if those languages developed north, then traveled south, or if they developed south, then traveled north. Thousands of years of people migrating from Mongolia into the Americas, throughout the large land masses, population growth, conflicts, wars etc., we don't know what happened, or who the heck was first, the chicken or the egg. You can say both of you share origins, but that's all you can say!!! Saludos!!!

[@mistermagoo8685]

It’s so odd seeing a British man even in the room of this conversation?

[@homerc9101]

Aztlan is diaspora nonsense

[@tonyt8765]

Indian tribes that being on the Mexican side or the American side they are natives and have treaties that should be respected. yet we call them illegals , shame on us for doing that. all those trump supporters need to educate themselves on true real history of this lands that has given them the opportunity to be here. respect the Indians to this lands regardless of tribes, show some class white people.

[@Gorilder]

ummm Native Tribes on the US side have treaties and aren't illegals..
Mexicans are Mexicans and don't deserve special treatment...

[@ioannispolemarkhos7364]

We don't have to do what you say, you're not our president.

[@PiroKUSS]

Americans call us illegals because that’s what someone that crosses the border without any papers must be called.

[@zinakan]

Aztlan is a mythical place. It is said the Aztecs came from a place north west of the valley of Mexico. That does NOT mean it was that far north in the Southwest USA. Anyone who think the south west is Aztlan is mistaken and actually very inconsiderate towards Native Americans of that area.

[@melahuak]

Native Americans from both Mexico and the USA live amongst both sides of the border, look up the Yaqui and Apache nations that reside on both sides. Aztlan (or more correctly Aztatlan in Nahuatl) is a reference point of the Uto-Aztecan language branch (look up Uto-Aztecan language group, which includes many California, Arizona etc, & many Mexican languages as well like Nahuatl and Yaqui) point of origin. It's fact the Aztec (Nahuatl) language originates in this region, the United States Southwest. Ppl can say it's a myth and lie all day, forever, but fact is the language originates from this region, pointing to northern origins of the Aztecs/Mexica. This cannot be disputed, the Uto-Aztecan language family is in this noted region and is something that cannot be disproven. Just as Spanish, Italian peoples descend from Romans, and those languages are centered in Southern Europe, Nahuatl and other Uto-Azt. languages come this area. Religion, cuisine, and cultural traditions (I have friends who are California Indians, Cahuilla, and the food they eat e.g. Chia seed in lemonade etc is same things my parents and their parents do, and my folks are from central America, southernmost reaches of Nahuatl).

[@obzidianbladez2873]

zinakan Well that's wrong!

[@fragolegirl2002]

Aztecs came from cahokia according to one source. There is too much evidence that the pawnee tribe sacrificed just like the aztecs. Here is a link --> ruclips.net/video/GCTAbUDV4to/видео.html

[@leepfart1323]

You forget that the sowth west u.s. was part of mexico.

[@dtownblastinsalvi62]

Dustin Heath there are more Natives in the Southwest than you think who have connections to the Mexicans I’m a Native from El Salvador that’s in Central America and I’ve been to those lands in the Southwest and many Natives have deep connections to the Nahuatl cultures just like us the Pipils in El Salvador have connections to the Mexica(Aztecs) so of course the Native Americans in the SouthWest have some connections to the Aztecs. There are more Tribes in Mexico and the Border that share similarities with us. Also some of words in the Tribal Language are Nahuatl words as well.

[@friedrichkass1644]

The ancestors of the original Aztecs were the Chichimeks which migrated from the area what is now Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico etc.. In this areas you can still find tribes which are part of the same ethnic-linguistic groups of natives! When the Chichimek-Aztecs invaded the Mexico walley, they find a people there known as the Toltek with their capital Teotihuacan. Both people mixed with each others and creating the powerfull Aztec empire which then subjugated a number of native tribes inhabite the surrounding areas around them!

[@rotemplatino91]

After the totonac/aztec merge, they started to call themselves Mexicas. Aztec was their slave name

[@chosen1four434]

Dont forget the mexica and the catziquel

[@chosen1four434]

You need to read the annals of catziquel, the mexica were with them after the exodus, yes the scripture exodus

[@sarban1653]

This conversation is being held in Tucson, Arizona. Tucson was historically Tohono O'odham land, not Aztec/Nahua land.

[@solemlunam8155]

Many tribes claim the southwest us and all should be acknowledged and respected. Aztlan is just saying they existed there too at one time or another.

[@ricodelavega4511]

I'll say one thing about the good sir, he looks like couldve been in "Apocalypto". He's got that classic native american look. You dont confuse him for being european, or any other part of the globe

[@freddypedraza2066]

The Aztecs would have never cared about Aztlan, Aztlan is a Chicano idea, no offense.
The Aztecs would not persue this mythical land, they would have seen the arid lands of northern Mexico and would not persue it any further.
Also no more with the colonizer nonsense, its in the past we should be united regardless of origin, our world is dying lets go after those in power

[@chosen2030]

Is it really far-fetched to believe that if Uto-AZTECAN is spoken by the Tohono O'odham that they were once part of Aztlan?

[@armandoromero3339]

the O'odham and the Aztec are related tribes at least linguistically. The O'odham language and the Aztec language as well as the Yaqui language, Hopi, Ute, Tarahumara, and many other tribes of the US and Mexico all belong to the same language family called Uto-Aztecan. The Aztec people once lived in the land that is the Southwest US before moving to southern Mexico. This doesn't mean we claim to be the only tribe with rights to this land. there are many other tribes throughout the SW US that have the same claim. We can learn to live together and in unity as the First Nations instead of tear each other apart

[@citlalie9791]

Armando Romero yes we are genetically related to those tribes but also we are related because we have similarities in language uto aztecan in addition Mexicans South Americans are related all the tribes like Cherokee Zuni Navajo the only difference with this tribes is that our culture and our language is very different but genetically we share DNA I myself am I from B2 Heplagroup and my husband is D1 haplogroup those have are maternal lineage DNA that has been passed down about twenty thousand years

[@kevintroy4329]

Armando, you are a Meztizo, and just saying your Aztec, is like white Americans in the US saying they are Cherokee, its the only friggen tribe they know!

[@SniperSam]

I did that DNA test, not sure how valid it is but I did two of them. Both tests say I have blood lines traced to the Anasazi ancestors

[@PunkHipHopper]

@@kevintroy4329 Thats a very imperialistic way to approach racial identity. Meztizo is made up for Mexican and other Latin American caste systems. Just because someone is mixed blood and had their culture changed, forcibly or not, doesn't mean they aren't what they identify as.

[@feztoys]

@@PunkHipHopper Well Aztec is also a made up word. There has never been a tribe called the aztecs in history. No tribe ever called themselves Aztecs. The "Aztec empire" was a made up word about 200 years ago or so by a dutch. It consisted of a group of tribes. The main Tribe was the Mexica. Those were the actual rulers of tenochtitlan. Or as you might know them by the made up word the Aztecs.

[@rickystrikys2893]

"Aztlan means natives who join to another natives looking for the promissed land. "

[@JoseGonzalez-wf9xz]

Aztlan is a place where the Aztecs came from somewhere in Arizona. Hence uto aztec language

[@danielolivares5]

Jose Gonzalez actually they believe it’s might be from the Utah area

[@frankrenteria4370]

ruclips.net/video/3MrAF3fadh4/видео.html watch this video of Aztlan

[@hou1381]

@@danielolivares5 also Michigan

[@chosen1four434]

Aztlan , go to kurimeo youtube, channel , you are about to be taken on an awakening ride, aztlan was the place if the wilderness in the bible , the mexica were led out of the house of bondage by moshe, the crossed a sea that was parted to thier promiseland, it sounds crazy but it is truth

[@desireesandovalwilliams8371]

this white guy 👆

[@jorgedacosta8957]

Desiree Sandoval This Julioetta

[@desireesandovalwilliams8371]

Lol...

[@MegzeeR]

Great job putting the intellectual but hole in his place :)

[@jaihol]

Aztlan was the mythical land( the new frontier) of the Aztecs in Mexico but also within Mexico you have Apache Yaqui Tarahumara Coahuiltecan Zepotec Otomi and of course Mayan. In what we now call the Americas belongs to the indigenous people of the land not the government's that occupy them, period . ..

[@ericklizarraga3443]

I understand you’re disagreement with Aztlan , it’s a Mexica legend but at the same time you shouldn’t call us people descended from the land that is now called México Chicanos . It’s a very racist term created by a Nazi propagandist . No different then the word Hispanic or Latino . The truth is that we’re indigenous people to Turtle island , just like all the Amerindian Tribes in modern day Arizona .

[@bo0tybandit]

You can't blame this man for not believing the Aztecs were decendants of north Native Americans. 10 years ago people were still studying Uto-Aztecan dialects, now we have thousands of dna samples to analyze.

[@missourimongoose7643]

What a dumb argument, they have DNA and linguistic connections in the southwest going into mexico, doesn't mean they called it the same thing ffs

[@txcaddo]

so happy to hear this elder speak up on this issue. As a Caddo tribal member this also makes me ill to see Aztlan maps claiming our land as Aztlan when our cultures only traded together we were never ever Aztlan and tribes are sick of pan Azteca maps. I don't mean Lalo's cartoon I mean the maps that circulate. This annoying white guy on the panel is exactly part of the problem speaking down to this elder and correcting him on his own land is so rude.
On the OTHER hand, it is not correct to claim it Nahuatl origins are a myth, it is absolutely TRUE that Nahuatl people emerged from the great lakes area with the 8 other Ute-Azteca bands and THEY are tribes absolutely related to each other, azteca migrated south the others stayed in the area..just realize there are many other tribes in the pan aztlan maps that have zero relation.. All these pan indian aztlan maps on social media are incorrect...like a map genocide for tribes..wiped out!

[@jesscast5122]

Dude, AZTLAN is simply the Nahuatl word for "Heaven" and just like Christians think heaven is SOMEWHERE in the SKY, So too, the Natives believe the Heaven is SOMEWHERE to the NORTH. But nobody knows exactly where or how far. This is also known as "The sacred Hunting Grounds" by other Tribes......

[@lewisc9959]

Look, our Aztec/Mexica tribe now has at least 50 million members, we are now the biggest tribe in all North America, since at least half of modern day Mexicans and Mexican Americans have full or partial Aztec ancestry! The southwest is our ancestral land and nobody will change that. I am also okay with all other Native American tribes, but if war ever happened our tribe would decimate any of the other tiny tribes! But overall, I hope we can live together and form a United confederation and kick the white men back to Europe someday and coexist without the white men telling any of our tribes what to do!!

[@Venom-ri4yq]

Atzlan is the land there the Mexica came from it Dosent mean is there land only the Mexica is the snake clan u are white wash my brother there so many history u need to learn talk to your elders

[@txcaddo]

@@Venom-ri4yq excuse me but don't lecture me with your colonized misinformation. I am a tribal member and sit with our elders all the time. Aztlan is the land where all the UTE-AZTECA TRIBES EMERGED (not just the mexica) near the great salt lake before mexica headed far south. It is no where near Caddo territory yet ALL aztlans maps include texas and other areas not even related. Mexica is the snake clan? whatever. what are you some follower of that new age eagle-condor cult lie?

[@txcaddo]

@@jesscast5122 dude. that is some ridiculous BS." sacred hunting grounds"? gawd you watch too much bonanza. Many tribes know the ute azteca place of emergence. regardless of what AZTLAN means, modern day chicanos are posting these ridiculous maps of "aztlan territory" that
1. include tribal lands not even related
2. erases other tribes in those same areas.

[@Largepro21]

Southwest natives are related to the Aztecs.
Aztlan does exist.

[@UmQasaann]

Aztlan is mythological lol

[@silentcallado7423]

look deeper into them history books

[@aver28357]

What is deeper then aztlan?

[@MrStaybrown]

History books are biased, they only teach one side. Let's learn every nations History

[@aviancypress5181]

They don't have any going back 12,800 years ago

[@aviancypress5181]

@@jgelias4289 its cuz we had a mass extinction 12,800-11,000 years ago from a meteor hitting the north American ice caps. I wonder what our ancestors were doing at that time

[@niccolosanchez1649]

We are all indigenous to this Land ....from Alaska to the United states down to Mexico and south America...different tribes one nation....PERIOD!

[@Yosef_X_]

From Canada to Chile is all one people brother

[@JM-vr6ii]

Exactly... preach

[@a.chavez5808]

From Greenland to Chile

[@imgodzilla6818]

🤞🏽💯

[@Angel-ry3zo]

How disrespectful, when the man with European accent interrupts this Native man.

[@tommydingo1h547]

I don't blame him they lived in America for thousands of years and it's has been their land since colonizing

[@kingtunip6386]

so Aztlan was never part of the US. Aztlan was a part of northern Mexico. the Aztlan migration thing reemerged during the civil rights movement to justify Mexican migration into California and most of the south west of the US. But to argue with this old man not wanting migration into his native land, all honesty why is he not stopping the white man from entering those lands who have even less of a legitimate claim than that of the Mexicans? and to continue most of the Mexicans who are migrating into the US are Amerindians so really why would he continue to trust the whites longer? while hes right about Aztlan I don't think he is looking for a better alternative for his people... because he didn't tell everyone to leave

[@7919AEM]

My Native brother complaining about Chicanos identifying Aztlan in the US is dire need of some Native Americans history research! Literally the British guy is more educated on the subject than him! The Hopi Natives literally speak a derivative of Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs! He needs to stop thinking of “us and them” and stop acting as the gatekeeper of who’s Native American and who isn’t! Aztlan is not a myth sir! It is well documented that the Aztecs migrated into Mexico’s central valley from what we know today as the US! Yes, you’re right, the land you live in is Tohono Odham, but hundreds and hundreds of years ago it was Aztlan! Also, we Mexicans are Brown because we are also Native Indigenous Americans, it’s in our DNA!

[@john454ful]

😅

[@7919AEM]

@@john454ful 🤡

[@john454ful]

@@7919AEM native man speaks the truth, you are not us we are not you.

[@7919AEM]

@@john454ful , there was no United States or Mexico when the White men arrived on our continent, so stop acting like the “Native American” is exclusively to the Natives of the US. The term Native American pertains to ALL the Brown people of the entire Americas. So shutyer fy-düllerin-dían mouth up.

[@el5880]

@@john454ful yea cause y’all are traitors and serve the yt man

[@chibixzero]

Aztlan is not Arizona or new Mexico, Aztlan is the land the Aztecs were looking kinda like what the Jews were looking for Israel. I don't disagree with this native but as a Aztec descendants and history major I will say Aztlan is where ever we want to be. yes in this modern world we can't take it forcibly because we will not be better than European crowns. Aztlan is all and all is Aztlan.

[@riv6580]

Nahhh

[@zbeh4495]

shiranui Are you saying the truth?Is there any evidence you can provide me with regarding your statement.

[@kefrenferrer6777]

any way aztlan is a better name for all this region even coming from a mite not the nosense name of america called after a fraudulent cartographer who never was this side of the world

[@jesscast5122]

Chibix: you are right to a point: Aztlan is NOT a physical place. Technically, Aztlan is the equivalent of what Christians call HEAVEN.
in Christianity we believe that Heaven is Somewhere up the Sky or "heavens"
The indigenous people Aztecs and non-aztecs have another name for heaven, that is "the Holy Hunting grounds" or "Aztlan" for the Aztecs and it was not supposed to be "Somewhere in the sky" But "Somewhere(in a land far) to the North"

[@jesscast5122]

Liz, I guess shiranui is referring to the story of the "Lost 12 tribes of Israel and that several Indigenous groups are descendants of several Biblical characters.
The other part about telling the people to mark WHITE on the Census, it is probably true. as Latinos, Hispanics, are considered WHITE as are not Black, Aborigines, Asian, etc. In fact, Hispanics are classified as White and the Anglos are called "Non-Hispanic Whites" LOL
The White people, are now, not only not calling themselves White but rather "non-hispanic white" to make sure they can mark Hispanics as white and thus reduce the numbers or Latinos to Less while Augmenting the numbers of whites. Apparently in an effort to indicate in the Census that Whites are still the Majority and therefore should continue to rule over the rest.
However, none of their tactics are working and they continue to lose Ground and the Status Quo.........

[@reymundoarmendariz]

He can disagree all he wants, doesnt stop Aztlan from being a historical truth.

[@jonathandeleon5588]

It was never belonged to us tho lmao me and my family and their ancestors been in California ever since it was so called Mexico but the Spaniards took it away from actual natives. I don’t get why so many chicanos and Mexicans claim to be indigenous
When they’re claiming land owned by conquistadors.

[@reymundoarmendariz]

@@jonathandeleon5588 Wrong, I guess you think we are all Spaniards then? Identifying with our slave masters is pathetic. Our Uto Aztecan family have lands from Eastern Califas to Utah to El Salvador. Even tje Anastasi have a story of our people m8grating south from what is now the American Southwest. And even in colonial California Purepechas were brought to speak with the Calofornia natives and build the missions, since the conquistadors were so lazy and ignorant they couldnt build shit. Look it up.

[@el5880]

💯

[@teresaguerrrasalazar4964]

US Amerindians have lost their culture to the Europeans

[@teresaguerrrasalazar4964]

Mexicans do not claim to be Natives. We are Natives, we were here before Columbus arrived in the Continent. And before later wave of migrations came from Siberia.

[@rebelsoldier2391]

While I see this native brother's point, I have to disagree with him. Anyone who actually lives in the southwestern states knows this is Aztlan because Chicanos are the majority population and we have also shed blood for these lands. Native tribes did not magically spawn on the American continent. Much evidence reveals that they crossed the Alaskan bridge during the ice age from Asia.

[@jobsearch5871]

were the ones that crossed the Alaskan bridge also the ones we call the Aztecs in Mexico city?

[@YavapaiApache323]

Im Apache and Yaqui native ✊🏽

[@alexarviso6836]

Salute to you from mexico my brother.

[@juanaguilera7486]

Yaqui Nation! Respect and Love from California

[@ebkabk2561]

remember all indigeous live on mexico with peace until Anglo and Spain come and made us fight with each other
aztlan is the homelands of the ancient one with the seven tribe we all belong to

[@camachovidalesfelipedejesu3891]

ebk abk peace really? im sorry but i think that if that peace was real the spanaish would not had many allies as they did when they destroyed the aztecs

[@camachovidalesfelipedejesu3891]

Jess Cast well there was also the smallpox obviously, the only thing that i said was that spanish had native allies

[@jesscast5122]

NO. you said "Destroyed the Aztecs"

[@camachovidalesfelipedejesu3891]

Jess Cast come on dont be that exaggerated,i am just triying to say that the ones who fought with them were more native persons than spanish soldiers. And at the end the aztec empire was conquered and destroyed by militar defeat. And yes deseases were one if not the most important factor that made them weak.

[@jsamc8420]

Yeah right, you lived in peace while tearing out hearts of your prisoners.

[@Random_Blip]

2:56 The stuttering guy with the British accent might not be an "imperialist" by his own words, but he sure comes across as the type who'll conveniently keep quiet about all the privileges afforded to him by the imperialist actions of his ancestors.

[@TheNuclearBolton]

What privileges? He is good at resolving and debating and there are just misunderstandings between the mood, context, and language barriers. The European guy may perceive the native guy as such as also vice versa. But I’m glad both sides are tolerant and forthcoming.

[@serenaluna6943]

for sure!

[@theurbanthirdhomestead]

Well, don't worry, the anti-white narrative cut him off before he got to make his point, so...

[@StalkedByLosers]

Aztlan is not even in Mexico. The Mexican (Meshican, Meheegan) as the Aztecs called themselves (they did not call themselves Aztecs, that is a white man's designation) said it themselves, they came FROM Aztlan, they are lost. They came into what we call now as Mexico.

[@khakhy]

We had Mexicans invade us here in Califas too. They now claim California is part of their fabled "Aztlan". It is not.

[@ricodelavega4511]

"Live Science" article from November 22, 2023. Title: "Indigenous Mexicans migrated to California 5,200 years ago, likely bringing their languages with them, ancient DNA reveals"

[@martinmurillo1806]

This is the form of imperialism, sees the color of my skin, I'm talking about, i agreed and I'm down! 😀😀😀

[@nomadicconquistador7-5-39]

In part you are correct but mostly unaware. Look up Mexcaltitan de Uribe Nayarit and you will find the birth place of the Mejicas and tribute to why Mexico has it's name. The Mejicas were nomadic people whom traveled through many parts of the northern states in America and back down to present day Mexico city. They traveled in search for the eagle eating a serpent Just look at the state seal of Nayarit Mexico and again tributes recognition of the Mejicas origin. The Mejicas lived nomadic for well over 200 years, don't you think that in that amount of time one can cover vast amount of land and learn languages including evolving ones dilect. These modern day Indians and scholars have minimal clue of Mexican history where they having these useless debates. The Mejicas influenced the Americas by simply dominating the Toltecs and the Olmecas. The Aztec name was an adopted name because other tribes that united with the Mejicas would not permit it. The Aztec name was used as a common description of the unification of all the tribes of that region. The Spanish burned all most of Indians records but the Indians left bread crumbs that still can be traced. In fact to further prove that the panel of debtors in this video know little including the Indian man speaking to the panel. Corn was genetically made over 7,000 years ago by the southern Mexican Indians from a little grass called Teosinte. This was process was introduced to the Northern Native American tribes. So it baffles me to hear all the ignorance being spread and taught to people especially my people. I am Chiricahua and Tauhumara on my father's side whom had grandparents whom adopted a Spaniard last name Gomez for record purposes. I don't belong to any registered reservations because I don't feel I need anyone's validation including governments. I am Mejica and Cora Indian origin of Nayarit not to mention Spanish on my mother's side. That is all I willing to reveal. Thank you and get educated people.

[@chancellorpalpatineakathes6130]

My peoples language predates both the Mayan and Aztec language. In general these clowns try to group all of us non uto aztecan indigenous peoples of Mexico into a single group. When most of us have moved on and instead trying to set up connections with the global economy while never forgetting our roots. I can still speak my Otomi language.

[@alexarviso6836]

Where r your degrees in languages?

[@chancellorpalpatineakathes6130]

@@alexarviso6836 I’m actually fluent in French, Deutsch aside from English and Spanish. My high school offered those classes as we didn’t have “Latinos” mostly white and the local natives who didn’t live on the reservation so there was no need to downgrade the curriculum. For all intents and purposes I was a Native American no different than the few Navajo kids since my only language was Otomi not Spanish. Unfortunately since I came illegally to the US as a 6 year old I could not attend college to study. I don’t have parents either. But do have my stockbrokers license.

[@lewisc9959]

We don’t need them to agree or disagree, that’s just reality! The southwest is Mexican/ Aztec land, it’s our land! The other tribes can join us or be against us, their choice!!

[@niamtxiv]

Lol join y'all? 😂 Fantasy. Southwest is home to the Diné, Apache and many Pueblo tribes. None are Mexicans.

[@el5880]

💯

[@el5880]

@@niamtxiv way to miss the fkn point. Saying they are indigenous, we are indigenous, so we are the same. Like the Germans and English are actually the same people. JFC y’all are dense.

[@JoeRye-yr7rp]

You’re Mexican. You don’t claim this land

[@wanderingwade8877]

What a great video. People are ignoring separate tribes and nations that existed before the Europeans came. It was the political move to come up with the term 'Hispanics' to unite a block of people who formerly saw distinctions between themselves. Now Cubans, Mexicans, Honduran, Chileans etc are part of the same voting block and census category called Hispanics. The same is happening with the uniting of a block and census category of people called 'Native Americans' who also formerly saw distinctions among themselves. The speaker is right.

[@lauralove1119]

The guy in the back all smiling like he’s really going there. You go brother!

[@alfredoguerrero]

I’m Mexican American and agree with the native man talking about Aztlan. But I also think he’s wrong for accusing the white guy that’s he’s a imperialist for the simple fact that he’s native..if there gonna be dialogue everyone needs to respect each other’s opinions

[@voltarsystems]

you have a bunch of euro and mexican scholars telling native americans their place. that has been the discussion of aztlan

[@chrisdiaz9011]

Would you say western Europeans aren't descended from Steppe/Caucasian people simply because people live there today? Despite the Indo-European connections? And I'm making a stretch considering I chose two continents vs land that connects here in this case

[@anahuacnicantlaca5777]

Aztlan is a place where the ute-aztecan families came from. Most people believe in Aztlan came from the southwest, but it actually came from the sotheast ti the midwest going north to Wisconsin area. Aztlan is technically a word in which all first nations were born together in building a civilization. The mound buildiers, Georgian sites. and others. These groups and nations are all part of Aztlan people.

[@txcaddo]

no we are NOT. your comment is not the truth, the tribal languages in the areas you mentioned are their OWN and unrelated, Caddo people speak Caddoan not ute Azteca. stop diluting our true history. Even the Caddo are not from Wisconsin and we are moundbuilders. the ute azteca original tribes are paiutes, shoshone, comanche, utes, hopis and Nahuatl..NONE from back east none from midwest. Tribal histories and language maps prove you wrong..The original tribes from the salt lake area and then branched out as they moved west and south. NONE went east or came from there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uto-Aztecan_languageswidwest

[@theurbanthirdhomestead]

@@txcaddo What does it matter? These are DISTRACTIONS to cause you to stumble. This is all a narrative to sort us by skin color. Civilizations come and go and stay and die out because of cataclysmic events. To blame a race, or to say one race is native and everybody else is a thief, is ridiculous and cold and hateful.

[@severelychanged3679]

Yeah but your land is also my land buddy. I am Native also, and Arizona es tambien
Mi tierra. De Argentina a alaska y que no se te olvide compita. As a matter of fact we belong to this land and it will eat us.

[@TemujinMSM]

I get what he's saying but I feel like he's kind of missing the point of Aztlan Of course some self styledAztlan nationalists give that a bad name. No disrespect to the O'Odham people.

[@kristofkristoff3369]

So I want to ask this question. If my grandpa was born in Texas but has the last name Contreras and we were raised our whole lives thinking we were Mexican but one day he says "Oh we aren't Mexican we're Comanche" how does that make sense? We have a Spanish name and he speaks English and Spanish but swears we aren't Mexican and we're Comanche. Is he just confused?

[@josejlongoria4813]

Nothing to be confused about. If your Comanche ancestors lived in what is now California, Arizona, Nevada, Utah, New Mexico, Colorado or South Texas, they lived in Mexico and were therefore Mexican. That would make you "Mexican" and Comanche.
Incidentally, the word Mexica (Meh-shee-kah) is the root for both Mexicano and Chicano. Chicano is a shortened version the word Mexica with the Spanish ending "no". It should really be pronounced "Shee - Kah - no".

[@josejlongoria4813]

That is correct, Mexican is a nationality. And, that was the point I was trying to make.
A Comanche living in what was then Mexico would have been a Mexican national, while at the same time being a member of a Native American tribe, the Comanche.
As an example, my ancestors were granted land (by the Spanish Crown) on both sides of the Rio Grande river in Texas before the US existed (1776). And, although they looked white, they were also of the Tlaxcalteca tribe (the tribe that conquered the Aztecs/Mexicas for the Spaniards).
So my ancestors that ended up on the Mexican side of the river were first Spanish/Tlaxcalteca and eventually Mexican/Tlaxcalteca.
The ones that ended up on the US side of the river, were first Spanish/Tlaxcalteca then Mexican/Tlaxcalteca then Texan/Tlaxcalteca and eventually US/Tlaxcalteca.
The Navajo (Dine) went through a similar process, eventually ending up as US citizens, while also being members of a Native American nation.
So Kristof Kristoff's ancestors were at one time both Mexican (a nationality) and Comanche (a tribal afiliation).

[@josejlongoria4813]

That is correct, a Chicano, as I am, is a US born "American" of "Mexican Ancestry".
The word "Chicano" is self explanatory. That is, it is a shortened form of the word "Mexicano" but it does not just refer to a nationality.
It has a tribal and racial connection to the "Mexica" Indios who inhabited what is now Mexico City. In fact, a number of words once used by Chicanos and/or pachucos, have their origins in the language of the Mexicas, that is, Nahuatl.
Here are some examples:
Tacuche = Soot suit
Calcos = Shoes
Cholo (one who jumps or runs) = A young pachuco
Jocoque (sour) = Soured milk or the original yogurt
Zoquete = Mud
Zacate = Lawn grass
Pipote (popote) = Drinking Straw
Chante = Home
Esquite = Pop corn
Tocayos = Two persons with same name
Chicanismo was not created out of thin air. It is a US sub-culture with racial, language and tribal ties to the Indios of all of Mexico. On the other hand, pachuquismo, is a defensive reaction to government sanctioned attacks on Chicanos by the US military in California (see suit soot riots).

[@ajax1331]

Take a dna test. And look at family records for enrollment. Plenty of mexicans in the south west claim american indian but are not. Due to the fact that families lying and making up stories.

[@lewisc9959]

Mexicans are made up of mostly dozens of different Native American tribes! The Comanche are closely related to the Aztec tribe! You are both Comanche and Mexican! You are a Native American, like most mexicansb

[@elemanuel6079]

Aztlan is not a myth. Aztlan is our spirit 🦅☀️

[@deonhyde5828]

America isn't Siberian land. The Siberian Indians are not native to America.

[@bornbranded29]

Problem is that this man is not familiar with the scholarship. First off, linguistically "Chicano" comes from Indigenous words like Me-Chika (Mexica or Mexico) and Chichimec (Nahual word for nomads), all which derivate from the Uto-Aztec language group, of which he and other Southwest, Northwest, and Midwest Native people are members - as are the ancestors of the current Mexican population: the Mexica/Aztec people.

[@vidascupcakes]

My dad was the second wave of Chicanos that was led into UC Davis. I grew up protesting as a little Chicanita. Today I tell him I am not Chicana, mestiza, Mexican-American and especially will never identify as Latin x. I am half Native to this land and half Spanish from Genocide through the Eugenics programs that have been put in place since 1492. My great-grandmother was brought over as an orphan on a ship from Spain. This was to help dilute the blood-quantum of the native people. She married my native grandfather and the cycle continues. The majority of my cousins have all married white people so genocide still persist today. They don't even know what the blood-quantum is.

[@noskpain2792]

You're white as are majority of people of Mexican origin.

[@dezix3040]

That’s so beautiful. Why was there waves of Chicanos coming to UC Davis ?

[@gibememoni]

You're white

[@el5880]

If you recognize that you’re mixed, why do you reject Chicanx as an identity, when that is literally why it was created.

[@el5880]

@@noskpain2792you’re white and butthurt the majority of Mexicans are not white 😂😂

[@cgpelayo]

The Chicano Movement is resistance to U.S. neo settler colonialism. The reference to Aztlan, the so called mythical homeland of the Aztecs, was given to the geographic region that the neo colonial government of Mexico occupied for only 27 years. Irregardless of what its called, it is the sphere of influence of the Chicano Movement. Most scholars are only professionally knowledgeable of the Chicano Movement. Very few of them and many of their informants, have been inactive for several decades and disconnected from the continued evolution of Chicano Liberation Ideology, this accounts for the confusing rhetoric they spout in academia and unfortunately is regurgitated by their naive students. The result is the confusion and movement to change the Chicano student organization, MEChA, Movimiento Estuduantil Chicano de Aztlan. No where was their ever proposed an imposition of another neo settler colonial government, the Chicano Nation. Chicanos are descendants of the Original Peoples of this hemisphere, Abya Yala. It has always been understood that their are preexisting Peoples long before the Spaniards, Russians(California), Mexicans and the Americans(US). Chicanos claim their descendancy from the Original Peoples long before 1492. Yes there exists "Occupied Mexico" mentality and ideology, that is neo settler colonialism. Chicano is not an ethnicity, it is a political ideology, resistance to US neo settler colonialism. It is inclusive not exclusive. Anyone spouting the contrary, has been operating outdated 1960/70's cultural nationalism and has not been invilved in the struggles of Chicano ideological development. Chicanos are not assimilationists.

[@andrewlove3686]

Lol. Mexican mestizos aren't Native Americans.

[@allgrodriguezrod7064]

If mestizos are not Native Americans, then....who are they? Or, better yet: remove the Spanish away from the mestizo, now....tell me....who are they! We have to start learning our own true identity from our own people and stop letting whitey tell us who we are or who we are not as Americans (Native Americans).

[@andrewlove3686]

@@allgrodriguezrod7064 "Native American" is a social/political/legal word white people just made up and only applies to tribes within the boundaries of the U.S.
Latin american mestizos(you know the grand sons of hernan Cortez/Columbus and acolytes arent native Americans theyre Latin american mestizos. Go to a native american reservation and ask them if you can join their tribe. Make sure to bring a video camera and upload their response to youtube for everyone's enjoyment.
Atzlan/la raza/la mecha
racists/Marxists and fantasy historical revisionist created and funded not by mestizos but to use them as useful idiots.

[@selenagomezacapella]

AllgRodriguez Rod - Mestizos are just that.... mestizos. Indigenous people in Latin America don't claim mestizos as indigenous nor are mestizos recognized as indigenous in any Latin American country. It's only mestizos in the USA who want to claim to be Native. I'm Pascua Yaqui, part of my tribe is in Mexico and my tribe calls both white people and mestizos the same name. Mestizos have no culture, identity, anything to claim so how can they be indigenous?

He will always be a subject of the Mexica empire.

[@mithrasbroussard8890]

Even between native people there were borders. Each tribe tried to conquer the other. Let me remind you 👍🏼

[@mithrasbroussard8890]

4272mana yeah well now we do and we will

[@hjjjhuythjjjiybhlfbujubhg2724]

Mithras Broussard lies from anglo textbooks....

[@DOWNRANGE06]

NATIVE LANDS BEFORE THE CULTURE OF MEXICAN. AND MANY DIFFERENT TRIBES.

[@mrzredbadger7848]

self identifying does not make you indigenous or native American

[@07sadida]

The Mexica were part of the lands comprising North America... laughable you think indigineous were only part of US when the greatest of civilizations were found in Mexico thru South America.

[@anthonyzlay8889]

Aztlan is simply a migration story. Not a state, country, land, or Territory.

[@michaelsullivan5917]

Aztlan means birth place.....It only indicates that the origin of the Mexica came from the southwest. but who are these white people on a panel talking about indigenous issues and misrepresenting us?

[@alfredomiranda6315]

Well you need not address the "Chicano" they did not write this story. It was the Mexica tribe that spoke of a vision. Azlan as if now is fiction their is no proof if its existence.

[@martinrangel5163]

Its a shame that we bicker like dummies while we refuse to look at the real hand of power that sees no color, just control.

[@theurbanthirdhomestead]

Exactly. People falling for these divisive tactics. Thinking they finding truth when really they're following the controllers narrative perfectly. The Truth is that we've all been displaced. We've all fallen victim to our controllers and the regular cataclysmic events that caused us to forget our pasts in the first place.

[@Wwasgud]

The basic spaniard ignorance

[@brianromero733]

He’s talking about imperialism like a hypocrite because he says we are native people in the or native to this whole damn American continent all the way to four Rivers Utah Aztec in territory the Yoeme people yaqui all the way up to Texas down to Sinaloa😂

[@dude4632]

7 Tribes from 7 caves that eventually became the Aztecs moved south to Mexico , looking at the language there’s connections to the native Americans of Ohio and the ancient language of Nahuatl not only that land marks such as the 4 rivers can be found in the area . Aztecs rose from native Americans of North America and have been moving predating what’s written we are all brothers and it’s sad that we can’t look back because of what others destroyed

[@WHATISTRUTHTV]

Exactly. Look at the hopi myths talking about the rattle snake clan heading down down south. The Mexica referred to themselves as the snake clan lol. This dude is just a hater.

[@nahuatldrumsandmusic8174]

@@WHATISTRUTHTV SERIOUSLY SPEAK THE TRUTH, they just dont want us to be connected "because it would rewrite history and all the money spent on books trying to keep Northern tribes and Mexicans separated. cant have them coming together again, gotta keep them fighting each other so they never reach the amazing potential they had when they fought the spanish for 50 years in the chichimeca wars, where lipan apaches and other tribes were on the front lines with them, always a fresh new tribe ready to rush the spaniards or the other long battle with the Comanche nation" so we gotta keep spreading the good word and bring unity for ALL OUR TRIBES ON THE CEMANAHUAC

[@lyriclanguages3780]

I agree with this man. I never agreed with the whole Aztlan claim. this is false. my ancestors were not Aztecs but yaqui, an indigenous tribe of the Arizona-Sonora desert. they can't just claim that this area was Aztlan with no regards to the other tribes in Arizona

[@jinh817]

I'm not too familiar with the Aztlan claim. From my readings it's more of a name used to describe an area. I would hope it's not associated with ownership or anything like that. I'm Native, but not Aztec, but Natives that associate with being Aztec haven't mentioned claiming that was their land to me. Is this like Chicanos claiming this? I mean no disrespect, just curious. I like to learn from one another. :)

[@jaihol]

SanTiago Herrera I think it's more like an ideology then actually physically claiming the land. one doesn't cancel out the other meaning in native tribes. Chicanos are told to go back to Mexico, because White America tell them(us) that we aren't natives to this land. Aztlan is from the south tip of the so called N.Americas into the Southwest. it's not a physical occupation to remove anyone but as a United Raza. (indigenous blood)

[@solemlunam8155]

SanTiago Herrera Aztlan is saying they existed here at one point, which they did.

[@riggzrodriguez]

Pellegrino Aqua www.codiceboturini.inah.gob.mx/codex.php 8 main tribes followed Aztecs. yaqui along with cherokee ohlone etc...around the same time Aztecs traveled south where their god named them Mexica . they reached Tenochtitlan and it is now Mexico City. If you speak Spanish the link i gave you might give you more insight. youll here the nahuatl dialect names of those tribes. tribes who then split after that would be yaqui and all those other tribes in northern America. hope this helps.

[@jorgedacosta8957]

Pellegrino Aqua Its False. Out of all the Indian tribes who went in front of a Federal judge to be recognized as being born here as a tribe, they gave them the Indian Reservation, not once do you hear of this Mexican Aztec fake Indian race, so they could gain Citizenship.

[@camau79]

The brittish guy tells the native elder to his face that aztlan is a fantasy story, aztlan is a native legend and he dismisses it to his face

[@zinknot]

Mexico still has thriving indigenous communities that were never moved to reservations and still speak their native languages.

[@UmQasaann]

White "Mexicans" aren't Mexicans but settlers.

[@niamtxiv]

And discriminated against by Mestizos and Spanish speaking people.

[@el5880]

@@niamtxivmestizo is still indigenous whether you like it or not. It’s also a racist caste slur but go off I guess

[@UmQasaann]

​@@el5880That's very true. I'm Native American these mestizos look like me rather than the white settler

[@latinontheroad]

I believe indigenous people began in the south mexico /south America and as time passed from there they started the immigration north towards north amerca , that they call native Americans ., because there's older ruins and signs of humans living there than in the north amerca , but some how the native amercans will never see this as being the truth .

[@TheLBlack45]

NO. WE KNOW CUZ THE HOPI TRIBE ARE DESCENDANTS OF EL SALVADOR.

[@jesscast5122]

Where is your evidence Lisa???
People from El Salvador, Guatemala, Campeche, Yucatan are all MAYAs
The HOPI do not look MAYA at all

[@FULIAN]

Lisa Blackman fake news 🤣🤣🤣

[@papermaniac]

You are talking nonsense, rhaving ruins doesnt mean people originated in that place it only means that place is were they settled you idiot

[@tukolo5408]

Were not theAztecs themselves conquerers of other tribes?

[@UmQasaann]

What's your point? Aztlan is mythological.

[@tukolo5408]

@@UmQasaann ok, I thought it was based on the Aztec empire which use to rip the beating hearts out of their enemies. The other Natives who were tired of their oppression helped Cortez destroy them.

[@UmQasaann]

​@@tukolo5408Lmao those traitors later got genocided by Cortez and his murderous bands of Spanish mercenaries.

[@JuanDiegoGonzalezrojas-l7b]

@@UmQasaann tu educación es de escuela gringa... Y quieres educar a la gente sobre su historia y cultura??
Eres un chiste con patas 🤡

[@alexandriacorral1081]

I think his fear of imperialism from AZTLAN is legit. But it’s just history where we came from, we were told by OMETEOTL to leave and migrate in search of the promise land. It’s just to say we are connected. It was part of AZTLAN, but we left it and now it’s your land to keep. The poor communication here is from the current matrix consciousness

[@ollimekatl]

What everyone does not understand is that “Aztlan” aka Chicomoztoc or 7 Caves refers to the human skull and not a literal place.
The Vatican via Spain devised this story. It is not found anywhere prior to their invasion and illegal occupation of Anahuac, Tahuantinsuyu and Turtle Island.
If you do not know this, especially my brothers and sisters, learn your sources and look to see if they’re myth peddlers already, in other words, religious nuts. You can’t use religious nuts as primary sources. You can’t use known liars, or the Spaniards of that time as primary sources. These both are known liars. If you accept them as a Native, that’s your issue. And not a healthy one.
Chicomoztoc aka 7 Caves, where one becomes a centered and balanced person, is your skull. 2eyes, 2ears, 2nostriles, and 1 mouth. 7 Caves.
You’re the blind being lead by the blind if you’re unaware of this.

[@tekenta-neter7944]

There was nothing called Mexico until the 1800s. Nobody was named mexican. It means your mixed not the name of the land.

[@larrykillebrew2675]

Red, Yellow, Black and White, we are precious in HIS sight. Seems to me like we all share this world during our time here... maybe we oughta find ways to bind together rather than focusing on our differences. Eventually even the Hatfields and McCoys ended their fued.

[@doct0rnic]

I find it interesting that foreigners to the USA always claim this land, but tribes in the US never claim lands in other countries. Asians claim native Americans, Chicanos claim this as theirs, the Moors claim this land as theirs, yes the boarders are made up but my wife and I have different cultures than Aztecs, she is Taos Pueblo and im Modoc Arikara.

[@smokedog3587]

Aztlan is the land were the aztec came from. Is not a mith. Because historically every one migrate so mayans olmeca Aztec and many yaquis apachis migrated from north. To the south. To disagree is a discussion for all of all of us to talk about. Chicanos say it to tell the white people we know our history. And to say it is mexico it can be worse to some. But what is worse is to call our salves indian. And we are not from india. We are all indigenous people lets have a collective discution. We are not colonizers we are family and we should work like one.

[@CrowdPleeza]

As far as the term Indian.
The thing is many Native Americans use the word Indian and seem ok with it.
I remember seeing an interview with an actress from the Dances With Wolves movie. She noticed how on the set it was mainly non Natives who used the term Native American. Most of the actual Natives often used the word Indian to refer to themselves. I think they know to make the distinction between themselves as "American Indians" vs people from India.

[@ethenstone4734]

Yes. He's. Right. My mother comes from.Mexico city. That's the capital of the aztec empire Tecnohtitlan. I know my aztec roots. Its not in USA . its in mexico

[@themechanic7732]

U stupid bro

[@itsame1477]

Nope. Y’all came from Northern Mexico and stole it from the Mazahua Natives and the Otomi who were the ORIGINAL inhabitants of “Tenochtitlan” (I’m quoting because Mazahua called it something else in THEIR language. Seriously, look it up

[@frankfranko9023]

Aztlan is going to eat u all 🤗😱🤤

[@veronicamendoza5793]

Natives fighting with others Natives!!! That is our downfall. And that's how they got us in the first place!!! As my elders would say. Keep it up and see what happens!!! If you lack the capacity to understand that they created a division to oppress us b/c they know that together we are strong and powerful, than I suggest you educate yourself.

[@edmundooliver7584]

cause they can't discern myth from mythical which the aztecs believed in just like the north american natives have their stories.

[@fragolegirl2002]

I agree with the native american. Dont make false historical claims until its proven.

[@pzonda9972]

ALL Naitives of the American continent were one group,same people and late began to separate to different areas but were not divided until Europeans showed up and labeled each group.YOU have been colonized from brain to heart my Naitive brother