Just an update: Ford pulled the ecoboost motor and broke ties with Factory Five. Yet another insanely inept move on Ford's part. That info is directly from Factory Five.
Confused abit at the engine layout and trans choice, a eco boost engine isnt new they could have mounted the engine transverses with a dodge neon trans, though i suppose if the kit is set to accept an engine in a particular way they wouldnt want to get too crazy with cutting and welding which would deviate from the point of the kit car.
hahahah good one. this whole concept evaporated, they've pretty much stopped development on the 818, you can still get them, but they still have the flaws that the initial kits had. embarrassing after 6 years.
@@alleggett9354 I have one and I agree... you can still get them, but a lot of what FFR promised they couldn't deliver on. hopefully when the f9 is complete they will give the 818 some love. btw part 3 is here: ruclips.net/video/5J-RXKP6ppU/видео.html
Im questioning myself with this build. I'm sure I could get the body, brakes and wheels on and make it a rolling body but putting in the power plant and wiring is scaring me
No way you do this in your garage over a few weekends and it works right. This is all custom fabricated just to get the kit parts to work and fit right. You could tell even these guys, who are experts at this, got a little exasperated.
You would absolutely surprised what a nice clean shop and endless amount of organized tools can get you. I've seen stuff like this built in a very short time frame...heck, a good friend of mine was doing crazy engine swaps and chopping and sectioning cars by the time he was 13 years old, racing and his own entire own pit crew at the same time by the age of 15, and now works at a race shop building tube frame chassis. Would bet my bottom dollar that dude could have this entire thing assembled in a couple days in his current shop, by himself. There is also a world where engine swaps take days...and then a world where they take a couple hours...it all depends on experience.
@@AaronHendu I know a guy who swaps subaru engines in a few hours, but he's been swapping engines for years and has a well set up shop for doing the work in. I be he could build one of these in a couple weekends if he was using the regular Subaru powerplant. This build with them needing to fabricate new parts along the way for the ecoboost was probably slower than it could be. Especially with a full Snap-on too setup, you can knock out stuff like this fairly quick. Most of the first video was stuff that should only take a couple days for someone with some experience behind a wrench.
Look, factory 5 has been designing and manufacturing replica and their own creations for decades. Their reputation for well thought out and manufactured parts that fit the first time is second to NONE. It is easy to sit back and bad mouth something you have never attempted. That is doing a great dis-service to what has been their passion. And while you can easily pay someone to do all this hard work for you, these are truly do it yourself in your garage kits. This particular car is a one off prototype for sure, and as such requires some modifications, however don't be surprised if this engine combination becomes an optional powerplant AND all the hard work and modifications necessary to make it all work are made optional. Again, don't badmouth these guys unless you have actually turned a wrench on one of their creations.
Why did you use the 6 speed transmission instead of the 5 speed? I know the 6 speed is stronger and better but on Factory Five's website they say not to use the STI drivetrain, any real reason for this other then ease of installation?
I know that (STI owner here) But on Factory Five's website they say, "STI’s drivetrain parts differ too much from a standard Imprezza or WRX for use as a single donor for the 818 platform." (which they don't really differ that much) So I just was wondering why they used the 6 speed versus the 5 speed that Factory Five recommends. (which you probably don't know the answer to because you weren't there, and Snap-On and Factory Five don't read these comments anyways so our comments won't get us any answers on here)
I thought the exact same thing, had to rewind the video to double check he said 6-speed. And that's in fact a 6-speed bolted to that engine but the thing is, 6-speeds have DCCD so I'm very interested to know how F5 converted that to 2WD.
It's the same thing they do to the 5 speed. You get rid of the DCCD center diff and put in a collar or spool that locks the output shaft to the front pinion shaft.
Unfortunately, I think the compromise with this build, is the transmission was moved back, causing the drive shaft angle to be increased. I love the car, but would like a bigger engine
I would have gone with a 6 Speed double clutch sequential gear box like the F1 cars used to have (now the F1 cars use a 8 speed), with Paddle shift. That probably would not fit in the car! lol
The simple solution to this fantastic chassis is electric swapping it. Low center of gravity, roughly the same weight, less hassle when building, and EVWest sells a drop in electric kit as well.
No probably a 200 pound weight limit. My 3500 pound car has a 350 pound limit. This is a 1,800 pound car with WRX engine. So you're too fat. Go buy a 4000 pound Mustang or Camaro.
If the engine was made in america, it is by default an american engine. V8 doesn't equate to being american. It also makes little since to put a V8 in a car that weighs under 2 thousand pounds. You'd have virtually no real control.
@@MuShinnen Nobody thinks a 4 banger American engine is the shit. LS swapped Mazda Miata is a good example of a very light V8 that has no problem handling the power.
@@unite4peaceonearth Speak for yourself. If the only thing you can think of is slamming a V8 into everything, then you're not much smarter than the average 15 year old. Power to weight ratios are a thing for a reason. The car can already hit 10 second drag times with a tuned subie boxer engine. All a V8 would do is kill the driver, and possible someone else with it.
@@unite4peaceonearth Tuning it down does not change the additional weight you just threw in the car though. Now you have to adjust the rest of the build to compensate for the additional weight, power, and balance shift of the vehicle. Why put a V8 in the car in the first place if you're just going to tune it down vs just buying a 4 or 6 cylinder and adding turbos? If sound is all you're going for then you risk compromising the entire rest of the build for it.
AKJangly they made that Car however they wanted to, lol you make it seem as if it's a a factory production car. A real car enthusiasts uses whatever drivetrain they want and could fit.
I agree. I used to race desert cars years ago. When I started we used VW based engines. Later the Honda engines got popular because, lets face it, the VW engine is old & limited in the HP you can get out of them. The Honda had much more potential as far as HP. Problem is, that straight 4 raised the center of gravity & you could feel it big time in a buggy. Granted, that's a bigger issue in a desert car. Our CG is high to begin with and, when racing, you push the car to the very edge regularly but this is also a very light car & moving even a little weight up high will make a difference in the way it feels & handles. It may not be the difference between rolling it over or not but I would expect, even an average enthusiast driver to be able to feel the difference in the CG between the two engines. Huge deal? No, but it would be a noticeable difference. I would stick with the boxer engine unless someone has a real good reason to want a Ford.
Well it probably was because Ford gave them the engine. You forget Ford plays a big part in many of their models. And if Ford wanted it and foots the bill, they build it. Also don't forget that they mentioned up front that this car was SOLD. Hey, if some guy pays you to make it his way, then that is what he gets. Why do people put Chevy Small blocks in classic Fords? BECAUSE THEY CAN. That is the beauty of building YOUR car the way YOU want it. Don't be surprised to see this car end up at Barrett Jackson as a charity car...offered by FORD.
Just an update: Ford pulled the ecoboost motor and broke ties with Factory Five. Yet another insanely inept move on Ford's part. That info is directly from Factory Five.
what??? thats unfortunate to say the least.
most unhappiest group of gentlemen ive seen. i would kill to have this job
he assembled 20 of them i would hate it too
Definitely need to adjust those rear brake lines, those wheels will cut through them in no time.
was just thinking that
4:25 waste gate sounds cool
This video did exactly what it supposed to do! Market tools! I had no idea so many of these tools we're able! 💸💸💸💸💸💸 Good bye check
man, I wish I was capable of doing this, this car looks so cool.
Thank you for this video.. ten stars all day.
No links at the end. FYI.
Great videos, and unfortunately they were just 3. Would love to see your team building the Finnluxury Tritium kit in the summer.
I would like to see this with a Honda K series!
I want that welder! Wow!
Confused abit at the engine layout and trans choice, a eco boost engine isnt new they could have mounted the engine transverses with a dodge neon trans, though i suppose if the kit is set to accept an engine in a particular way they wouldnt want to get too crazy with cutting and welding which would deviate from the point of the kit car.
Where is Part 3?
hahahah good one. this whole concept evaporated, they've pretty much stopped development on the 818, you can still get them, but they still have the flaws that the initial kits had. embarrassing after 6 years.
@@fiercenet I really like the way it looked...
@@alleggett9354 I have one and I agree... you can still get them, but a lot of what FFR promised they couldn't deliver on. hopefully when the f9 is complete they will give the 818 some love. btw part 3 is here:
ruclips.net/video/5J-RXKP6ppU/видео.html
@@fiercenet Thanks, Jeff!
Im questioning myself with this build. I'm sure I could get the body, brakes and wheels on and make it a rolling body but putting in the power plant and wiring is scaring me
Did they bolt those tires on the wrong side?
No way you do this in your garage over a few weekends and it works right. This is all custom fabricated just to get the kit parts to work and fit right. You could tell even these guys, who are experts at this, got a little exasperated.
You would absolutely surprised what a nice clean shop and endless amount of organized tools can get you. I've seen stuff like this built in a very short time frame...heck, a good friend of mine was doing crazy engine swaps and chopping and sectioning cars by the time he was 13 years old, racing and his own entire own pit crew at the same time by the age of 15, and now works at a race shop building tube frame chassis. Would bet my bottom dollar that dude could have this entire thing assembled in a couple days in his current shop, by himself. There is also a world where engine swaps take days...and then a world where they take a couple hours...it all depends on experience.
they are having to build around an engine that kit wasnt designed for.
@@AaronHendu I know a guy who swaps subaru engines in a few hours, but he's been swapping engines for years and has a well set up shop for doing the work in. I be he could build one of these in a couple weekends if he was using the regular Subaru powerplant. This build with them needing to fabricate new parts along the way for the ecoboost was probably slower than it could be. Especially with a full Snap-on too setup, you can knock out stuff like this fairly quick. Most of the first video was stuff that should only take a couple days for someone with some experience behind a wrench.
Look, factory 5 has been designing and manufacturing replica and their own creations for decades. Their reputation for well thought out and manufactured parts that fit the first time is second to NONE. It is easy to sit back and bad mouth something you have never attempted. That is doing a great dis-service to what has been their passion. And while you can easily pay someone to do all this hard work for you, these are truly do it yourself in your garage kits. This particular car is a one off prototype for sure, and as such requires some modifications, however don't be surprised if this engine combination becomes an optional powerplant AND all the hard work and modifications necessary to make it all work are made optional. Again, don't badmouth these guys unless you have actually turned a wrench on one of their creations.
That's because they're using the EcoBoost. The kit was designed to be used with an Impreza drivetrain
Please, pleeeeease for the love of all that is holy. Tell me someone is making that adapter for the ecoboost to sti transmission.
Why did you use the 6 speed transmission instead of the 5 speed? I know the 6 speed is stronger and better but on Factory Five's website they say not to use the STI drivetrain, any real reason for this other then ease of installation?
Vegaspsycho the STI 6 speed has closer gear ratios than the five speed. It all depends on what you want the cad to drive like.
I know that (STI owner here)
But on Factory Five's website they say, "STI’s drivetrain parts differ too much from a standard Imprezza or WRX for use as a single donor for the 818 platform." (which they don't really differ that much)
So I just was wondering why they used the 6 speed versus the 5 speed that Factory Five recommends. (which you probably don't know the answer to because you weren't there, and Snap-On and Factory Five don't read these comments anyways so our comments won't get us any answers on here)
I thought the exact same thing, had to rewind the video to double check he said 6-speed. And that's in fact a 6-speed bolted to that engine but the thing is, 6-speeds have DCCD so I'm very interested to know how F5 converted that to 2WD.
It's the same thing they do to the 5 speed. You get rid of the DCCD center diff and put in a collar or spool that locks the output shaft to the front pinion shaft.
A car like that needs a 2JZ engine in it. or maybe a RB26.
Unfortunately, I think the compromise with this build, is the transmission was moved back, causing the drive shaft angle to be increased. I love the car, but would like a bigger engine
I would have gone with a 6 Speed double clutch sequential gear box like the F1 cars used to have (now the F1 cars use a 8 speed), with Paddle shift. That probably would not fit in the car! lol
The simple solution to this fantastic chassis is electric swapping it. Low center of gravity, roughly the same weight, less hassle when building, and EVWest sells a drop in electric kit as well.
You can't buy the Ford 2.3L as a crate, so how does this help? the 2.0 is the only option currently for this car besides the Suby motor
the 2.3 liter is now available just google it
Syckwolf what? youve been able to buy it for a while now
Syckwolf or just get creative and drop in whatever you can fit.
Buy a salvaged car as a donor you idiot. Subaru don't make no crate motor either. Dumbass.
What year wrx I need to build this kit car
02-07 Subaru impreza
So you still need a supra donor not a focus😂
Ha pretty sure those tires are directional and that isn’t the right direction
The real question is can it fit a tall chubby man 6'1 250 pound man to be specific
No probably a 200 pound weight limit. My 3500 pound car has a 350 pound limit. This is a 1,800 pound car with WRX engine. So you're too fat. Go buy a 4000 pound Mustang or Camaro.
I think when people say they want an American engine they mean V8, not some eco engine.
If the engine was made in america, it is by default an american engine. V8 doesn't equate to being american. It also makes little since to put a V8 in a car that weighs under 2 thousand pounds. You'd have virtually no real control.
@@MuShinnen Nobody thinks a 4 banger American engine is the shit. LS swapped Mazda Miata is a good example of a very light V8 that has no problem handling the power.
@@unite4peaceonearth Speak for yourself. If the only thing you can think of is slamming a V8 into everything, then you're not much smarter than the average 15 year old. Power to weight ratios are a thing for a reason. The car can already hit 10 second drag times with a tuned subie boxer engine. All a V8 would do is kill the driver, and possible someone else with it.
@@MuShinnen You can always tune it down for less power to make it safer but still have that V8 'Murica sound. 🇺🇸
@@unite4peaceonearth Tuning it down does not change the additional weight you just threw in the car though. Now you have to adjust the rest of the build to compensate for the additional weight, power, and balance shift of the vehicle. Why put a V8 in the car in the first place if you're just going to tune it down vs just buying a 4 or 6 cylinder and adding turbos? If sound is all you're going for then you risk compromising the entire rest of the build for it.
This car will aquaplan - cause the tires were put on the wrong way.
No they weren't.
-aquaplan- aquaplane 😎
why would you ruin an awesome car with an ecoboost? ugh...
The thing was made for a Boxer engine for a reason: low center of gravity.
AKJangly they made that Car however they wanted to, lol you make it seem as if it's a a factory production car. A real car enthusiasts uses whatever drivetrain they want and could fit.
I agree. I used to race desert cars years ago. When I started we used VW based engines. Later the Honda engines got popular because, lets face it, the VW engine is old & limited in the HP you can get out of them. The Honda had much more potential as far as HP. Problem is, that straight 4 raised the center of gravity & you could feel it big time in a buggy. Granted, that's a bigger issue in a desert car. Our CG is high to begin with and, when racing, you push the car to the very edge regularly but this is also a very light car & moving even a little weight up high will make a difference in the way it feels & handles. It may not be the difference between rolling it over or not but I would expect, even an average enthusiast driver to be able to feel the difference in the CG between the two engines. Huge deal? No, but it would be a noticeable difference.
I would stick with the boxer engine unless someone has a real good reason to want a Ford.
Well it probably was because Ford gave them the engine. You forget Ford plays a big part in many of their models. And if Ford wanted it and foots the bill, they build it. Also don't forget that they mentioned up front that this car was SOLD. Hey, if some guy pays you to make it his way, then that is what he gets. Why do people put Chevy Small blocks in classic Fords? BECAUSE THEY CAN. That is the beauty of building YOUR car the way YOU want it. Don't be surprised to see this car end up at Barrett Jackson as a charity car...offered by FORD.
Why would any company want to have a spokesman that is imitating the look of a thug?
Mr. "Sleeves" is a salesman? Beards and tattoos. Fuck, I hate hipsters.