I play in A standard on a 24.5" and usually go for D'addario EXL which are 14-68 but my songs don't require the same amount of super fast picking and leads.
I could probably get away with using 12's for the top strings, but I don't think I could use 60 for such a low tuning. Well, I use 13-60 in C# standart in a 24.75 scale (Erik uses 11-56 for this tuning) and I still find the bottom strings kind of floppy, but I don't play with the same speed and intensity as Erik does
to me, Erik's iron bird is the most beautiful and brutal looking Iron Bird out there. never was a fan of the shape until i saw his, especially in that color and binding. absolutely brutiful...
Gettin' ready for the tour. For 3 steps down, man that bridge would have to move way the hell back to get intonation going haha. I watched a making of video with CC and Pat was drillin and grindin his bridge to get strings to intonate lol, while drinking coffee.
There are no absolutes when it comes to intonation in any situation. As it happens taking this guitar from where it was to where it is left the saddles in prime position for perfect intonation. No saddles were harmed in the setup of this guitar.
Some years back I was using Ab -tuning (like a 7 string tuned half step down) on a BC Rich V and I had to go thicker than a .60, I think I settled on .70 - but the issue I kept hitting was the high strings were too loose or too taut. I was using the Cannibal/Nile tuning sometimes dropped the low string (like a drop D). I doubt I'd go back & would prefer a multi-scale/fanned fret guitar. Nice video, got to see him with CC back in Nov '19 - best guitar sound I've heard live; thick, dense & articulate.
Badass. Still have my '86 Ironbird (white, all black hardware) I bought myself for my 17th birthday in 1991 for $180. Had to replace the Kahler because one of the string saddles broke trying to hold a 70 gauge string. Original Dimarzio Super Distortions in the neck and bridge. Strap locks is the only thing I've added over the years. Also have a black '95 in the process of rebuilding.
Eric Rutan is a dm demigod!.. Would love to see him just shredding that beast at home or the studio! Great video btw, love your passion man, your setups are great to watch👍🏻
Where do you get your plugs for the pot holes when u remove tone pots etc? Ive looked at lowes and found something similar but nothing solid. Thanks and great vids🤘👍🤘👍🤘
Great video and very nice guitar! You mentioned that you shim the nut, for a higher action. I guess this will effect the tuning, if you tune to pitch and then you fret the note on, let’s say 3rd fret, the. It will go sharp?…Orr do you have a nice trick to this?. Cheers!😊
Eric actually bought it from a friend of a friend of mine. My boy and another guitarist recorded two albums in Eric's studio with this guitar (and other guitars too) with their band "The Dying Light".I'm pretty sure It originally had a Kahler tremolo and Dimarzio pickups.
This is an awesome video, thanks for uploading this. What would be a good set of strings for the Hate Eternal material which is in C# standard? 11-56???
If Erik's going to A# standard, he might as well get a baritone guitar in B standard and just tune down a half step from there. Seems like it would make for better intonation.
I use those same strings (gauge as well) and I find it funny they say optimized for C-tuning on the packaging. The tension at C is insane, even B standard is quite a tight feel with these so I could see A# sharp working out.. maybe I'll try that next to see if I find it more comfortable.
Awesome man. I use d addario 56to 12 or a 60 to 12 my tuning is A E A D F# B its good it's fine for me can be a bit small loose but not bad on my jackson dinky
After watching this, I think I might want to think about getting guitars with reverse in line headstocks more often if I’m going to tune down low enough.
Holly fuck that's a high action....and you can hang your clothes to dry out from the strings as well...Given Eric's brutal attack on the instrument, I can understand though..Still, amazed how he is not getting left hand fatigue .
Hi Scooter. I was wondering how you handle that low tuning on the guitar, intonation wise. Because the Ironbird and the Explorer are both 24.75” right? Especially this Ironbird that is now tuned to A# instead of C#. Thanks!
Tom Sibren - I sincerely have no idea. It's my job to set them up. It's Erik's job to handle it. There has been an adjustment period, but I think he has a handle on it.
Any rule of thumb on how many springs should you keep for a low tuning on a floyd rose? :P Goin B Standard with 12-60 (the DR ones tho) on a 25.5" scale.
@4:11 the 3rd saddle of the floyd rose seems to be further away from the others as if there is a third hole for the intonation screw to screw on. My floyd only has two screws (like you got on 1st and 2nd string). Are my observations correct?
@@GranvilleGuitars Not to nitpick, but the "short" BC Rich scale is actually even shorter than that; 24 5/8 aka 24.625. Nevertheless, great videos. I thoroughly enjoy watching them.
@@specialedyay yh i heard about that also happening with chuck schuldiners tribute guitar as that was 'short scale' but not standard 24.75 as it was 24.625. You never know though maybe this bc rich or erik rutan is 24.75.
Before you comment -
EDITOR'S NOTE : CORRECTION - A# IS THREE WHOLE STEPS BELOW E STANDARD NOT TWO AND A HALF. Sorry about that. It was a long day.
Erik is the only person for the job...I really hope pat gets well and makes a return sooner rather than later..!!!
I saw Erik ripping on that on their recent tour in VA Beach, he’s one of the most mind blowing shredders I’ve ever witnessed live.
Really surprised this doesn't have more views. This is death metal gold!
Ki War - Thanks very much for the kind remarks. Feel free to share it!
@@GranvilleGuitars No problem at all, keep up the good work! \m/
Killer guitar. Get well soon Pat.
This is the first I've heard about Pat being out for the moment. Glad Erik gets the chance to do it
Erik's da dude, so glad it's him stepping in!
BC Rich needs to release the Ironbird as a production model!
They listened. I have two of the first batch coming when they’re released.
@@jonathanficco8384 They need to do an Erik Rutan signature model!
That would be awesome.
Your prayers have been answered.
Good luck getting one in stock though haha
@@robertsparling917 they did its like 7k
You guys always have the coolest guitars..Cool Video. Thanks for sharing ao much..
Surprising to see Erik using such a light gauge for this tuning. I probably would use at least 13-64 If I was to tune in A# standard.
It is not too bad still easy for riffs and shred i use same gauges 56 or 60 to 12
I play in A standard on a 24.5" and usually go for D'addario EXL which are 14-68 but my songs don't require the same amount of super fast picking and leads.
I could probably get away with using 12's for the top strings, but I don't think I could use 60 for such a low tuning. Well, I use 13-60 in C# standart in a 24.75 scale (Erik uses 11-56 for this tuning) and I still find the bottom strings kind of floppy, but I don't play with the same speed and intensity as Erik does
Thank you RUclips algorithm for put this great channel to my recommendations.
to me, Erik's iron bird is the most beautiful and brutal looking Iron Bird out there. never was a fan of the shape until i saw his, especially in that color and binding. absolutely brutiful...
Gettin' ready for the tour. For 3 steps down, man that bridge would have to move way the hell back to get intonation going haha. I watched a making of video with CC and Pat was drillin and grindin his bridge to get strings to intonate lol, while drinking coffee.
There are no absolutes when it comes to intonation in any situation. As it happens taking this guitar from where it was to where it is left the saddles in prime position for perfect intonation. No saddles were harmed in the setup of this guitar.
@@GranvilleGuitars Haha nice, ya In Hate eternal he's not that far off the tuning so probably not alot of movement.
Some years back I was using Ab -tuning (like a 7 string tuned half step down) on a BC Rich V and I had to go thicker than a .60, I think I settled on .70 - but the issue I kept hitting was the high strings were too loose or too taut. I was using the Cannibal/Nile tuning sometimes dropped the low string (like a drop D). I doubt I'd go back & would prefer a multi-scale/fanned fret guitar.
Nice video, got to see him with CC back in Nov '19 - best guitar sound I've heard live; thick, dense & articulate.
Badass. Still have my '86 Ironbird (white, all black hardware) I bought myself for my 17th birthday in 1991 for $180. Had to replace the Kahler because one of the string saddles broke trying to hold a 70 gauge string. Original Dimarzio Super Distortions in the neck and bridge. Strap locks is the only thing I've added over the years. Also have a black '95 in the process of rebuilding.
Eric Rutan is a dm demigod!.. Would love to see him just shredding that beast at home or the studio! Great video btw, love your passion man, your setups are great to watch👍🏻
Where do you get your plugs for the pot holes when u remove tone pots etc? Ive looked at lowes and found something similar but nothing solid. Thanks and great vids🤘👍🤘👍🤘
I can attest, those strings take a day or two to break in but once they do, they stay in tune and sound amazing!
Can you imagine if Erik played on a studio album with CC?
Hell yes
Desolate and Kiiiiiillllllllllll!!!! Lol
It’s happening!! April 16th I believe
@@zacherynoland8395 my birthday ;)
@@PeteHawthorne Coincidences keep on happening, lol.
Dirty fingersr rock. I had a Gibson from the early 80s that had one and I loved it.
Saw that guitar up close and personal a few years ago. No active pickup with Cannibal? Interesting. I hope Pat’s doing well.
Kevin Kelly - Erik prefers passive pickups. He likes EMGs for basses, however.
Granville Guitars: Very cool! Thanks for the reply!
Kevin Kelly o
No need for actives seymour has great passives that sound so heavy. Of course guys eq amp and stuff will affect
Wasn’t this the same Ironbird that Erik put an EMG in the bridge before back in the conquering/king of all kings-era?
Thanks Scooter
Nice, I use those for drop b tuning and I love them
Great video and very nice guitar!
You mentioned that you shim the nut, for a higher action. I guess this will effect the tuning, if you tune to pitch and then you fret the note on, let’s say 3rd fret, the. It will go sharp?…Orr do you have a nice trick to this?.
Cheers!😊
Eric actually bought it from a friend of a friend of mine. My boy and another guitarist recorded two albums in Eric's studio with this guitar (and other guitars too) with their band "The Dying Light".I'm pretty sure It originally had a Kahler tremolo and Dimarzio pickups.
Love your videos Scooter! Keep em coming :)
Tom Sibren - Thanks very much!
Hey there Scooter! Jake Koch here from Warfather. Enjoy your videos! Hope you're doing well. Hope to get down to Mana to work with you guys again \m/
This is an awesome video, thanks for uploading this. What would be a good set of strings for the Hate Eternal material which is in C# standard? 11-56???
Great video and awesome axe! Thank you
If Erik's going to A# standard, he might as well get a baritone guitar in B standard and just tune down a half step from there. Seems like it would make for better intonation.
RJC 72 - Trust me it works just fine. This isn't my first rodeo.
He's been rehearsing with every day all day with it.
Not low enough to switch from your preferred guitar. If one's going below A, though...
I use those same strings (gauge as well) and I find it funny they say optimized for C-tuning on the packaging. The tension at C is insane, even B standard is quite a tight feel with these so I could see A# sharp working out.. maybe I'll try that next to see if I find it more comfortable.
The tension is fine. No noodle strings
Wish a shop like this was close to me. People around here don't know shit. Good video! Rutan is a badass
Damn that's a nice one!
Coolest videos! I wish i lived in Florida i need you to work on my guitars
I love this info. Grear channel dude. I hate the high production bullshit channels prefer regular joes like myself and yourself. Good job
Great video man 👍
Big E - Thank you, sir!!
I use .60 for A# works nice. 7 strings sets are kinda slim pickings. .64 seems a little too heavy.
Awesome man. I use d addario 56to 12 or a 60 to 12 my tuning is A E A D F# B its good it's fine for me can be a bit small loose but not bad on my jackson dinky
After watching this, I think I might want to think about getting guitars with reverse in line headstocks more often if I’m going to tune down low enough.
How's it sustain. I do remember the bought from Joey Capecci
Holly fuck that's a high action....and you can hang your clothes to dry out from the strings as well...Given Eric's brutal attack on the instrument, I can understand though..Still, amazed how he is not getting left hand fatigue .
I love it
Fuck yeah 😈😈😈😈12 60 some beasts I'm on 10s I need to get my weight up
Hi Scooter. I was wondering how you handle that low tuning on the guitar, intonation wise. Because the Ironbird and the Explorer are both 24.75” right? Especially this Ironbird that is now tuned to A# instead of C#. Thanks!
Tom Sibren - I sincerely have no idea. It's my job to set them up. It's Erik's job to handle it. There has been an adjustment period, but I think he has a handle on it.
The ironbird seems to be 25.5 scale tho
Any rule of thumb on how many springs should you keep for a low tuning on a floyd rose? :P
Goin B Standard with 12-60 (the DR ones tho) on a 25.5" scale.
There is no rule of thumb. I use five on Erik's guitars.
@4:11 the 3rd saddle of the floyd rose seems to be further away from the others as if there is a third hole for the intonation screw to screw on.
My floyd only has two screws (like you got on 1st and 2nd string). Are my observations correct?
Genuine Floyd Rose plates have always had three holes per saddle. My guess is that your is either licensed or not a genuine Floyd Rose.
@@GranvilleGuitars Hey man, you are exactly right. It's a Jackson's licensed version. Thanks for the info. You rock!
Interesting they’re gonna use a drop pedal
Wooow!
Great shit.. Always..
Does Erik use the tortex jazz iii or jazz iii XL . I can’t imagine him using the tiny ones
Black Dunlop Tortex Jazz III XL
@@GranvilleGuitars hello sir, do you recall what pick Pat used?
@@mostresticator5 - No idea.
@@mostresticator5 I think he used to use the white tortex sharp 1.5mm but could be wrong
F$%k man, Eric picks like a mad man attacking his springs with intent to kill, so if them things could last a tour well goddamn them good
What did you use to fill in the holes where the knobs use to be and how did you do it? Looking to do the same myself and having trouble doing so.
BazookaJoe117 - Steel chassis plugs. I get them at Home Depot.
Scooter where do you get your Chassis plugs at?
Dan Vezina - Home Depot
Amazes me that he doesn't just use a 7 and drop it a half step.
Well, as a matter of fact he does. For Cannibal Corpse.
He bought from good friend Joey Capaci
what did you use to cover the pot holes where the 2 knobs used to be
I know CC has used A#, but dont they use G# now though?
Metal Madness - Depends on the song.
Where do you get those plugs for the removed controls?
Shining Trapezoid - Home Depot.
Shining Trapezoid - You're welcome.
Is it a 25.5 scale?
Iago Pedroni - 24.75
@@GranvilleGuitars Not to nitpick, but the "short" BC Rich scale is actually even shorter than that; 24 5/8 aka 24.625. Nevertheless, great videos. I thoroughly enjoy watching them.
@@specialedyay yh i heard about that also happening with chuck schuldiners tribute guitar as that was 'short scale' but not standard 24.75 as it was 24.625. You never know though maybe this bc rich or erik rutan is 24.75.
thegame 444 - Erik's Red Ironbird has a 24.75" scale.