This is why I respect the Best Motoring crew. They are legit drivers who push these cars to their limits no doubt. But are also so humble to give credit to a car that is surperior to their own domestic offering. Big fan for the past 25 years!
As a non japanese person i am very surprised that the Japanese persons who comment this video are so much against their own car industry. As a matter of fact i find it's a pity to put down the car industry of your country so much. We Europeans defend always our industries and never try to pout them down. As un European i find generally Lexus cars among best cars in the Auto industry. Having owned some german, french and also Japanese cars in can attest as an owner that Lexus's are definitely among the bests Autos and for sure comparable to Mercedes and are sometimes even better. Be proud of your car industry.
It simply proves these are real race drivers not affected by bias. Love them for that. If you can't point out flaws by being passionate about the market they are from then how can they grow and provide meaningful opinions. Nobody wants to watch shills so to speak.
the RCF Track has gotta be easily one of the most aesthetically underrated cars released within the last couple of years. all the edges and curves of the car are so amusing to look at
people say and think that because the amg gt63 has "gt" in it's name that it shares similarity with the amg gt coupe/roadsters. As someone who works on these vehicles I can tell you all straight up that it is not at all like the amg gt. Notable differences, the engine placement in the gt63 is a true front engine placement, not a mid front placement like the gt. The underchassis is more in line with the current lineup of mercedes benz sedans than with the gt, the gt63 uses multilink front and rear suspension similar to what you'll find on the full range of mercedes benz sedans and coupes for the current generation, the gt utilizes dual wishbones front and rear similar to the sls. The gt comes with a rear transaxle, the gt63 uses a conventional transmission design. When you drive the car you don't feel like you're driving a bigger gt, you feel like you're driving a heavier cls. The gt has much lighter steering thanks to the engine placement and is easy to throw around on the track due to it being very well balanced. The similarities between the two come in the form of the engine (while the gt63 uses a different version of the engine that is also found in the e63, the engine code is still the same for all amg 63 models, there are 3 main versions of the m177 engine family), the interior and the rear toe links. The interior is designed to be similar between the gt63 and the gt, you do feel less cramped in the gt63 sedan however. The rear toe links are an interesting feature as both vehicles come with available rear wheel steering that debuted on the gt-r. This makes a difference in handling capabilities for both vehicles but the difference is more noticeable on the gt vs the gt63, though it does help counter some of the understeer. Overall, the two vehicles may share a name, and an interior, but beyond that there are few similarities between the two vehicles, and it's confusing why mercedes benz decided to call this vehicle a "gt" when it feels more like what the cls63 would have been had it been produced for this current generation.
I think they called it "gt" because it takes alot of its styling from the actual gt. Consumers most likely think its like the gt simply because the styling seems to confirm it. Most people who buy cars nowadays don't really look at the details underneath the skin just the performance stats and how it looks.
I discovered best motoring around 2003 on dvds etc i totally love the show and the drivers! Best ever show and now on youtube with subtitles too amazing. Does anyone know if Gan San (m kurasawa) still features in the videos? Anyway keep up great work guys!
Thank you for the English subs! Not really a class comparison and they acknowledge that, but still nice to see their impressions on both. These are cars 90% of people who aren't car enthusiasts would see as more than "really nice cars", so it's nice to see them tracked and reviewed properly.
I don't get it. What is RCF's purpose? Sure it's not a car that is meant to be driven flat out, but why, then, bother adding all the carbon parts and claim to be tested on nurburgring? If you claim any car to be tested at nurburgring you're advertising for speed. However, RCF doesn't seem to have great sportiness. Oxymoronic. Even at this price the track edition is still condemned for being overpriced in the US. Can Toyota be serious about this car again? They definitely have the ability just look at GR Yaris, but they still, to this day, don't have a flagship. Maybe LFA's financial loss scared them too much.
It's not only the loss form the LFA but the economic slowdown as well which keeps them from making a flagship sports car. Not only the RC-F but the LC-500 is also a purpose less car which doesn't make much sense.
This Mercedes is a real AMG. Build to be raced! But it is flawed by design because of its heavy weight. A car with a curb weight of over two tons simply will never be as quick and responsive as a lighter chassis. The strong engine and transmission combined with the four wheel steering make up for the weight but Mercedes needs to develop a lighter chassis for them to truly develop their maximum potential.
This is Lexus at its worst. Great engine but everything else just falls short. Outside of the LFA, none of the F model cars are particularly fast on any race course or in this case touge. They are either too soft, or overly stiff. Stiff does not make fast and based on the pros, lexus did not spend a lot of effort in the brake and handling calibration.
most of Lexus cars nowadays aren't designed for sport handling, rather they are mostly tourer. LC500 is one example for that as well. Nothing can beat LFA for that but to make another LFA-like car, maybe they need another 10 years of development
You're talking as if Lexus ever actually made a great handling car. They never did. And the worst part is, when they tried, they failed to make them comfortable as well. German cars are very comfortable and smooth, and also handle very well. Lexus does neither of them.
This is why I respect the Best Motoring crew. They are legit drivers who push these cars to their limits no doubt. But are also so humble to give credit to a car that is surperior to their own domestic offering. Big fan for the past 25 years!
As a non japanese person i am very surprised that the Japanese persons who comment this video are so much against their own car industry.
As a matter of fact i find it's a pity to put down the car industry of your country so much.
We Europeans defend always our industries and never try to pout them down.
As un European i find generally Lexus cars among best cars in the Auto industry.
Having owned some german, french and also Japanese cars in can attest as an owner that Lexus's are definitely among the bests Autos and for sure comparable to Mercedes and are sometimes even better.
Be proud of your car industry.
It simply proves these are real race drivers not affected by bias. Love them for that. If you can't point out flaws by being passionate about the market they are from then how can they grow and provide meaningful opinions. Nobody wants to watch shills so to speak.
@@RandenMontalvoi totally agree with you. It’s about the car, and your just being bias
the RCF Track has gotta be easily one of the most aesthetically underrated cars released within the last couple of years. all the edges and curves of the car are so amusing to look at
God bless the man who makes english subtitles for this channel...
Glorium aeternal for him 🛐
Indo please :(
Finally, this channel will be perfect with english subs in all their videos
Or woman.
織戸さんがAMG乗ったときの反応すき
ほんと近年のAMGはヤバいと思う…
｢人間の感性に、邪魔しないで入ってくる電子制御」
土屋さん、カッコイイ！
I really love that this series have cc nowadays.. I really like their way of testing cars.. continue this amazing series DK san.. ☺️☺️
ruclips.net/video/cG1WdEXhGtQ/видео.html
谷口さんのクルマに負担かけないスムーズな走りに驚嘆！
Thanks for english subs. This is the best car show ever. Hot version is the best!!!!
どこで鍛えたかより
誰が鍛えたかが大事な感じ
ほぼ全開で走ってるのに、大衆車ベースのスポーツカーと比べると明らかに静かなのはさすが高級車って感じです
今の AMGエンジンは2Lで421馬力、500Nの AMG45もあるし、完全にメルセデスの1人勝になってしまった
Man the was the best in action review ever! 🙌 thank you for your product
やっぱamgはすごいわ、、歴史と積み重ねがすごい、、、
このコースでAMGにこんな走りされたら、もうパワーがとか値段がとか言い訳も出来ないくらい車の完成度が違いますよね…。エンジンサウンドもNAに負けないくらい良い音してるし、、
ただねぇ...AMG GTの4ドアも43 53 63ってあるけど全部他のメルセデスのセダンと比べてかなり高いんだよねぇ...
まぁでも逆に言えばそのメルセデスの他のセダンのAMGとの値段の差は見た目だけじゃないのかもしれないとはなったの...かな？
RCFのライバルって、BMのM4とかベンツのCクラス、アウディのRS5ってイメージ
これはノーチャンス
この手のコースならM4辺りの方がGT63より速そうだが。
レクサスも海外市場で勝てる様に、2000万超えクラスのコストを掛けてでも見掛け倒しでは無い妥協しない本物の車作りをして欲しい。
lfaがあったけど赤字だったらしい。
コストが見合わない。
AMGだって部品から完全受注生産だから利益でてるか微妙・・・
@@liond3104 だからこそのノーマルクラスを大衆に買わせて稼いでるんでしょうね...
前のAMG GTRの時もほぼ同じ事言ってたよな 凄い良い車なんだろうな
パワーに注目されがちだけど、
この巨体にこの重さ、溢れるようなパワーをこれほどの次元にまとめ上げる足回り、電子制御の開発技術者、それを実行させた重役達が凄い。
日本メーカーもそれぐらい技術にストイックに作って欲しい。
でも、それを実現する為には、
もっと日本は車社会を大事にするようにして欲しいよな、、、
おっしゃる通り。ここのコメ欄でもレクサスがしょぼいみたいなことが多数書かれてるけど、そんな風にしてしまってるのは消費者側と他の国産車。確かにAMGはすごいけど、それはドイツにおいてポルシェやBMなどライバルがいるから。そして買う人がいるから。実際、日本で何台売れてるか…。誰も買わない車を作るのは国産では無理。レクサスなんてまだ頑張ってる方で、日産もホンダもしょぼい車ばかり。これじゃトヨタも発展しない。
@@mm-hy6cu
走りの良さ、性能の良さに注目して買う人が増えないとやっぱりそこは進化していかないですよね
見た目でSUVとかミニバンとか買う人がほとんどの日本じゃ走行性能を限界まで高めたクルマを開発するのってまだまだ難しいでしょうけど
トルクが異次元すぎる
Many thanks for the English subtitles !
ルイスがテディを届けるのに使う後席
バケモンだなぁ。バケモンって言葉が似合うなぁ
わざわざ言わなくてもわかってることだけど運転うまいな
"AMG always breaks common sense"
What a quote
ここまで御三方が褒めちぎると
開発陣の人間でもないのに微笑んでしまう笑
people say and think that because the amg gt63 has "gt" in it's name that it shares similarity with the amg gt coupe/roadsters. As someone who works on these vehicles I can tell you all straight up that it is not at all like the amg gt. Notable differences, the engine placement in the gt63 is a true front engine placement, not a mid front placement like the gt. The underchassis is more in line with the current lineup of mercedes benz sedans than with the gt, the gt63 uses multilink front and rear suspension similar to what you'll find on the full range of mercedes benz sedans and coupes for the current generation, the gt utilizes dual wishbones front and rear similar to the sls. The gt comes with a rear transaxle, the gt63 uses a conventional transmission design. When you drive the car you don't feel like you're driving a bigger gt, you feel like you're driving a heavier cls. The gt has much lighter steering thanks to the engine placement and is easy to throw around on the track due to it being very well balanced. The similarities between the two come in the form of the engine (while the gt63 uses a different version of the engine that is also found in the e63, the engine code is still the same for all amg 63 models, there are 3 main versions of the m177 engine family), the interior and the rear toe links. The interior is designed to be similar between the gt63 and the gt, you do feel less cramped in the gt63 sedan however. The rear toe links are an interesting feature as both vehicles come with available rear wheel steering that debuted on the gt-r. This makes a difference in handling capabilities for both vehicles but the difference is more noticeable on the gt vs the gt63, though it does help counter some of the understeer.
Overall, the two vehicles may share a name, and an interior, but beyond that there are few similarities between the two vehicles, and it's confusing why mercedes benz decided to call this vehicle a "gt" when it feels more like what the cls63 would have been had it been produced for this current generation.
I think they called it "gt" because it takes alot of its styling from the actual gt. Consumers most likely think its like the gt simply because the styling seems to confirm it. Most people who buy cars nowadays don't really look at the details underneath the skin just the performance stats and how it looks.
Watching the AMG speeding through the corners gave me goosebumps... It was absolutely beautiful.
メンバー限定版解禁はうれしいですね〜
AMG always breaks common sense
-Keiichi Tsuchiya
He is very right! From their beginning to this day they always made special machines!
比べるんだったらc63クーペあたりとのバトル見てみたいな
バトルじゃなくインプレッションが良かったかな〜
どっちも個性あっていい車でした！
メルセデスオーナーなので
メルセデス推しであるけど
レクサスは日本の車！って感じで
好きです！！
レクサスもメルセデスも
時代に逆行する車どんどん作ってください！
We appreciate English translation!
BMWM5 CSとAMG 63でのタイマンが楽しみです！
GT63のオーナーです。
東京に住んでいるので中々パフォーマンスを発揮できる場がないのですが、この動画観て思っていた以上にバケモノだということが分かりました笑
普通に走っていても、とても軽快でコーナリングは本当にキビキビしていて、4ドアなのにTheスポーツカーって感じです
こんなにプロドライバーが褒める車だったとは、、、
オーナーとしてまだまだですね
もっと走らせてあげなきゃ
めっちゃわかります。
私は大阪神戸なので、東京ならなおさらなんですね。
信号だらけでウラカンも泣いてます笑
まぁ大抵の皆さんそんな感じでしょう
3:44 coolest intro to a motoring show of all time
AMG凄すぎるな、、、
いつかGTとか、C63は無理でもA45sとか乗ってみたいな
昔からAMGメルセデスってモアトルクモアパワーを生かすスタビリティコントロールが別次元って言うイメージが強いですね。そこにきて4WSって鬼に金棒。
that AMG GT63 is butter smooth in corner.
And endless money pit. HAHA
I discovered best motoring around 2003 on dvds etc i totally love the show and the drivers! Best ever show and now on youtube with subtitles too amazing. Does anyone know if Gan San (m kurasawa) still features in the videos? Anyway keep up great work guys!
AMG vs GTR NISMO
ぜひお願いします。
And here I thought Japan only liked small cars in their home country and is happy to sell big cars in foreign countries.
この重いメルセデスでこの差があるならコンパクトなAMG持ってきたらもっとやられそう
その値段に納得できる車に仕上げるって出来そうでできない
単純にベンツって凄いなー
チューニングカーと違って市販車はしがらみが多いからそうもいかないです
GT4doorは以前ヤナセで試乗させて貰ったがほんと凄かった
いくらドイツ車が車の歴史が長いからと言っても今の時代ここまで差が出るのは何故でしょう。。。
さすがメルセデス。
日本人がそんな車を必要としないから。
値段も差がありますしね、、
@@ommc9935う、うん…。だから日本人はそんな車を必要としないんでしょう。
@@mm-hy6cu そんな車必要としてないんならそもそもパフォーマンスパッケージなんていう物は出ない
端的な印象ですが、ＢＭＷよりメルセデスが性能・魅力で完全に上回っている感じ。
Thank you for the English subs! Not really a class comparison and they acknowledge that, but still nice to see their impressions on both. These are cars 90% of people who aren't car enthusiasts would see as more than "really nice cars", so it's nice to see them tracked and reviewed properly.
谷口さんやっぱめっちゃ運転うまいな
63S、V8ツインターボでトルク91.8kgに634馬力、4WSて！
この上のGT63S 4matic＋はどんなバケモノなんだ！？
@@markov8254 800馬力だったけ？やばいよね。
AMG GT63 一般的なレビューだとイマイチだけど、プロの走りみるとすげぇな
素人に運転させちゃ、いけない車。
そりゃ素人じゃ良さが引き出せないからねw
Sクラスと思って乗ると全く違いますからね。かなりSっぽく見てる人が多いのも原因だと思います。
It's great to see these cars at carwow drag racing, but to see them in a touge in the hands of experts is absolutely amazing
It's nice to be able to see the performance of a car other than just straight line speed, which literally anyone can do...
@@eedoamitay3341 Exactly, the spirit of these cars shines in hands of experts on touges or circuits tracks
I don't get it. What is RCF's purpose? Sure it's not a car that is meant to be driven flat out, but why, then, bother adding all the carbon parts and claim to be tested on nurburgring? If you claim any car to be tested at nurburgring you're advertising for speed. However, RCF doesn't seem to have great sportiness. Oxymoronic. Even at this price the track edition is still condemned for being overpriced in the US. Can Toyota be serious about this car again? They definitely have the ability just look at GR Yaris, but they still, to this day, don't have a flagship. Maybe LFA's financial loss scared them too much.
It's not only the loss form the LFA but the economic slowdown as well which keeps them from making a flagship sports car.
Not only the RC-F but the LC-500 is also a purpose less car which doesn't make much sense.
The only remaining Lexus that's pretty good deal is the IS 500 F Sport (RC F's engine in a sedan).
Mercedes is simply on another planet altogether.
高級車のスポーツモデルとスポーツカー比べたらそりゃあスポーツカーが勝つよねと言った感じの結果
AMGはレース発祥のメーカーだしLEXUSと比べるのはちょいと可哀想と思った
とは言え、LEXUSは乗り心地まで犠牲にしておいて大して速くないというのは少し悲しいね
The torque output from the AMG is insane, but, it needs it at 2150kg !
Heaviest touge car ever ?
RCFvsM4vsAMG C63Sだとどんな勝負になるんだろう…
RCFは3人とも運転しずらそうでしたね
お値段のわりにといった感じでしょうか
谷口さんブレーキング、アクセルの踏み込みライン取り全てが1番うまい気がする。
織戸さんは、、荒くない？
Nos thats a quick boat for the touge (gt63s)
This Mercedes is a real AMG. Build to be raced!
But it is flawed by design because of its heavy weight. A car with a curb weight of over two tons simply will never be as quick and responsive as a lighter chassis. The strong engine and transmission combined with the four wheel steering make up for the weight but Mercedes needs to develop a lighter chassis for them to truly develop their maximum potential.
見せて貰おうか、AMGの車の性能とやらを！
ええぃ！？AMGの車はバケモノか！
やっぱりトヨタの平均点目指しての車造りはレクサスブランドでも変わらないのか
ベンツファンがスッキリ喜べないのは、やっぱり価格だよね。客観的に見てしまうとこの価格差を正当化できる性能差が見当たらないというのが辛い所だよね。
かっこいい土屋さん。峠素敵ですね♥️、また夜景観たいです。
やっぱAMGってすげーんだな
こういうの見ちゃうと、やっぱAMGに魅力感じちゃうなぁ～
きっと開発者やテストドライバーのレベル。。。ではなく、開発するコンセプトのゴール設定の違いだと思う。
この重さでこのタイムって事はカーブ全域を安心感持って踏めてるって事だよね入り口で止まって加速もトルクありきの走りなのかな 四駆も効いてるね
昔のゾウみたいな600SELでも走らせ方を間違わなければよく曲がってたよ。やっぱりメルセデスは凄い。
Please have Mr Tsuchiya and Hot version super drivers trying BMW M8 competition or M5 cs !
Thank you for the English Subs!!
the editing is amazing
RCFめっちゃ見た目好きだな
The Lexus has no chance. That AMG is a monster
And cost twice as much.
This was like reading old school car magazine back in the day. I love how Japanese really know how to give such good content
Right amazing itis
AMGめっちゃ格好いいですね。(*^^*)
でかい割には旋回性が高い
この動画を見て凄いなと思いました。😃
GT63Sとは圧倒的な差がついてしまうのであれば、GT53と戦ったらどうなるのか見てみたいですね。
アウディのRS7とかで対抗した方がおもしろそうですね
@@pipipinopi-n6w GT63とほぼ同じサイズなんですが、、
峠だと相手にならないと思いますよ、、
やってみたら面白そう！
やっぱメルセデスはすげーなー
群サイのアスファルトがどんどん傷んでいるように思えるんだけど、タイムに響かないの？w
RCFいつの間にマイチェンしてたんだ
Thanks for the eng subs
13:51
バトルと直接関係ないけど、この道幅でこのサイズの車が切り返しなしでUターンできるってマジ…？
後輪が曲がるからちゃうか
@@macaion897 回転径は確かこの技術のおかげで中型セダンくらいになるよね？
Thanks for the subtitles
AMGがすごい！
自分恐らく残り２０年弱の車人生、一度は中古でイイからAMGに乗りたい。
めちゃくちゃわかります
中古でも高いですもんねAMG
現在E63AMGに乗ってますが、加速よりもブレーキの制動能力には驚きました。嫌なところは燃費でしょう。どんなに安全運転しても3~4lL/Kmです。満タンでも200Kmも走らないです。
This is Lexus at its worst. Great engine but everything else just falls short. Outside of the LFA, none of the F model cars are particularly fast on any race course or in this case touge. They are either too soft, or overly stiff. Stiff does not make fast and based on the pros, lexus did not spend a lot of effort in the brake and handling calibration.
most of Lexus cars nowadays aren't designed for sport handling, rather they are mostly tourer. LC500 is one example for that as well. Nothing can beat LFA for that but to make another LFA-like car, maybe they need another 10 years of development
Just tune the suspension softer and reduce the weight by 500 lbs that's all. HAHA
You're talking as if Lexus ever actually made a great handling car. They never did. And the worst part is, when they tried, they failed to make them comfortable as well. German cars are very comfortable and smooth, and also handle very well. Lexus does neither of them.
@@derbigpr500 you know what’s funny? People swear up and down that they want the Supra to ride on a RCF or LC500 platform
@@derbigpr500 actually, the GS F is both handles great and is very comfortable in its segment. It doesn't have a lot of power, though.
Can you please race RC F and Mustang GT premium (M/T) in Touge.
amgモンスタースペックで草
AMG乗ってみたいなー😆
「日本もこういう技術取り入れてもいいんじゃない？重くても曲がる」
重くても曲がる、むしろ重いことのメリットを07年に日産GT-Rが出たときに車を開発した水野氏が語っていたと思います。
keep it up guys! Good work
車載動画見ててドイツ車には敵わないなあということを痛感させられるね
AMG GT63 vs HONDA NSXが見てみたいです！
ノーマルで26秒代 重さもあって群ｻｲでこのタイムはビックリだよね
The Mercedes is a cooler car, but when something breaks the bill will be so high you could buy another RCF track edition.
M5 CS or M2 CS need to be tested too!
13:52 え、Uターン出来るん。ってなったですね
このサイズの車がグンサイで1発で決まるの意味不明ですよね…
any reason why japanese motor sports isn't as popular as F1?
they look far more exciting
F1 is far,far more international than Japanese motor sports,which really only caters to Japanese audiences
17:35 Max Impression is best !
AMG 63とGTR NISMO 22のバトルお願いします。
1年前のコメントがあるって事はメンバー限定先行公開してたって事？
ほとんどの動画そうだと思いますよ
@@user-lp8qe3oi9v そうなんですね
ありがとうございます