8 years later tip: When compressing dialogue, try setting attack to the smallest setting possible and set the release to 500ms. It will usually sound better and less compressed that way, while still accomplishing the end goal - making your audio louder.
Noise reduction is typically done prior to the steps shown here. The reason for that is you do not want to increase and compress the noise. The point is to to get rid of as much of it as possible before those stages.Having said that once you do normalize or simply increase the gain you may now detect noises that you previously did not notice. In that case apply the proper filters that selectively target the specific noise types. Once you have done that and have the cleanest signal you can then it it is time to apply special effects and/or processing such as compression, loudness maximizing. limiters etc.. The biggest cause of problems starts at the recording stage. Make sure your levels are correct at that time AND what ever you do make sure you do not use the camera's built in mic.. Spend a few dollars and use an external mic and better yet connected to a separate recorder whose .track(s) you can sync up in post. Properly done that is your best insurance to capture quality sound with the least noise.
I agree... But for simple productions.. But. To those that may be interested in a large production.. 1st step : Dialogue editing Dialogue Volume match, Possibly de-noising, ect. Then its to Mixing..... Sometimes Room ambient matching, and real time processing is key here... , EQ-ing, Dynamics, ect...., .....Dynamic processing is the bookend. Especially in Film. Things cant be committed to a file...... Real time is a necessity..... . And when you have the tools, its just as quick.
Thanks Curtis ! spent few hours watching videos on this topic and your tutorial is the only one that explains the process clearly step by step in few minutes. the other related topic you covered and I found to be extremely helpful for improving dialogue voice is removing echo/reverb which can be present to varying degrees in room recordings. I highly recommend everyone to watch it too. keep it up and thanks again.
I just started to dip my toe into the audio recording world with my recent purchase of a zoom h1. Your videos are fantastic. They get me to consider things I never even thought of before. I've been so focused on getting the right gear to get the image looking good and there is a whole slew of things I need to know to get the audio sounding equally well. I like to joke that youtube is my film school and if that's so, then you're one of my professors! Keep up the great work, Curtis.
I'm a videographer (depositions) and I've been using compression in the field for many years. Your video is a very good intro for other videographers to understand why we want to use it, and the settings you used are close to what I recommend for field compression. That was a good example that demonstrated the audible difference too. I'm glad I ran across your video. Post processing is one way to add compression, but you can actually compress in the field too, and then you don't have to use post! I use small portable units like the FMR RNC (around $150). Some of your viewers might not have audio processing software, and field compression is another way to get it done. The biggest benefit to field compression is the the additional freedom that it gives the videographer. With the lows boosted by makeup gain, and the high volume parts attenuated, the audio naturally takes much more care of itself and leaves you to focus your attention on other aspects of the job. It's practically automatic audio. Great video, thanks for posting it!
Your voice is very easy to understand! I have been wondering what exactly normalizing is. I have to normalize to -3 db for ACX work and wondered what goes on. This helps a LOT! Thanks for this!
Just wanted to send you a note telling you how grateful I am for your videos and sharing your knowledge. Your audio tutorial here has really helped my productions immensely. I am a professional video editor by trade (Dirty Jobs, American Chopper, Biggest Loser,, etc.), but I was never trained in audio. I would always go to the final mix, but had no idea what they were doing. So when I would try to make personal videos, they always looked good but had audio issues. Your tutorials have given me great insights as to how to better mix my own audio, and what a difference. Thanks!
Thanks for the awesome video! I just recently graduated from a local audio engineering school and just wrapped sound mixing for my first local film. I'm used to editing all my audio in Protools but unfortunately won't have that entirely available for our post production process, so this guide is a very helpful look into Audition. Thanks again!
David Bialik I usually set my input levels so that peaks fall around -15 to -10 at the hottest. Digital is much less forgiving and I find that some digital recorders do capture distortion, even at -6db. Thanks!
@@abeeeshen3852 Hi Abeeeshan, I mean the gain or input setting when recording. While recording, I set the gain until the meters top out at around -15 to -10 or so.
Great tutorial! Thank you! One thing that should be mentioned is that normalization doesn't always return the desired outcome. At times, the levels may actually unexpectedly drop significantly, for no apparent reason. The reason for this is that there are often mic pops, or electronic spikes in the audio that shoot above 0dB, causing the normalization to lower the overall volume. This can be really difficult to address, because even a single sample containing a pop will result in a lowering of the levels, and will be very difficult to isolate.
Thanks for this Curtis. simply and succinctly put. Compression is one of those things I've toyed with but never fully understood. Your explanation definitely filled in some gaps in my knowledge. Cheers, Ben
Thank you very much for making this video. Working through some voiceover audio right now and as great as Audition is, it's a lot to take in if you're not already well informed about audio production. Your advice has really helped me understand what to manage with levels and now the voice tracks sounds fantastic. Thanks again!
Thank YOU SOOO MUCH FOR THIS. I use adobe. The way you put it was GREAT. Ive seen many videos and read a lot on compression but the way you explained it and showed it. AMAZING
Thanks. :) In Creative Cloud, all of these plugins from Audacity are available in Premiere as well so if you don't need the visual feedback to you get in Audacity, you can speed up your workflow by just staying in Premiere.
This is a great channel! I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos for those of us getting started with audio. This has been a huge help to my channel.
Thank you. I'm just trying to get better audio thru study and working with my systems. Excited to try these several affects to add some clarity to my voice overs.
Hey!!! Great video!! (As always) you should try adding a small room reverb (and also brimg down the wet sounds) to give it a little more life. I record music, so its a little diffrent but they are really close. But in the dialogue i have edited small room reverb helps... Great video! Again just something to try.
Absolutely agree with Manish. You did a great job explaining it and this video is the perfect starting point for someone who wants to learn this skill. Thanks buddy!
Great tutorial! I've always been able to play with compressor knobs to achieve a flatter dynamic range, but now I understand the how and why. Thanks Curtis
I know this is an old video and you've probably learnt a lot by then but thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in an easy to understand way. There's a wealth of information in the comments section also. Just my two cents on how the compressed signal sounds. It sounds kind of unnatural but then again I know this is just a demonstration of the basic compression settings (perhaps even softer settings would make it sound more natural). Also what's good with a compressor is that it leaves more headroom for sound engineers to work with their mixes. It's a tradeoff as always. And also it can be a lifesaver if there is a huge dynamic difference in the signal recorded and also for live streams because in this way you voice won't make someone's ears bleed if you start shouting and they are using headphones. So lot's of uses for that. It's true also what you said that it brings the voice more in the "foreground" than in the "middle" of the recording. I am almost a complete newbie myself, but I have an appreciation for good sounding audio and am trying to learn more. Cheers and thank you again! :)
Yes, learned a LOT since I made this video. Biggest thing is to use a longer release time for spoken word content. I find that starting at around 500ms on the release helps a LOT to produce a more transparent sounding compression.
I use similar techniques, been doing so for years and this video is great! We need more videos on dialogue editing and preparation for various media. Very cool!
Thanks bacontrees! A few weeks ago I posted an updated episode that covers loudness normalization in detail since my workflow for editing dialogue has evolved some since: ruclips.net/video/VcMOBrdbHgk/видео.html
Thank you sooooooo much for this video. Audio is difficult to understand, not like video editing, and so you made my value increase. For this I thank you.
This was extremely useful b/c i did not know how to apply compression and had the same problems with normalization after applying compression, this video definitively made my sound sounds much better. So far with all your tutorials i was able to improve my audio quality, there was many many things i was ignorant about, and now i feel a little bit more credible in my audio setup ^_^ Thank you.
Thanks very much Sir Curtis about this video tutorial. I really learned a lot and got a depth understanding on how to use the compression and processing. As well as i got an additional idea about normalizing the audio. Right now is 2021. It still helped me even this video was 7 years ago. hopefully you will have more video to come. Thanks. New subscriber here.
I listen to this for the 2nd time. Curtis: very good, that you ALSO explains some theory, helps me a lot. Most other videos are useless compared to yours. Regards from Denmark !
Curtis, in 11min's you have helped me raise the production value bar several notches on all my productions. I shoot a lot of interviews and have been looking for ways to make improvements. Would you say it's too conservative to set interview audio record levels so they don't peak above -6db? I've been told by some that "digital" recording is more likely to distort above -6 and not like the days of analog where a signal above 0db might distort.
My flow for working on dialogue is to take a noise print and remove the noise first. Then I look at the waveform and if there are a lot of large peaks I will add a hard limiter at an appropriate level to set the peaks at nearly but not exactly the same level, to retain character. Then I add some compression so that there's a visual uniform difference between the loudest and quietest levels. Then if needed, I will add an EQ and address the quality of the sound to make it smooth and rich. Finally, I normalize, usually to -0.1 db. Cheers!
Thanks Rich. The only thing I’d be careful about is that if you’re going to export/encode the audio to a lossy format, you should leave more headroom than -0.1dB. It is best to leave -1.5dB true peak because most encoding algorithms will remove some of that headroom and your audio can still clip if normalized to -0.1dB.
My fastest take on voice with DJI mics, depending on talents : Low cut filter from 60 to 120 Hz, standard curve (default in DaVinci) No other thing than a DC of -7 Db (Dynamic Compression), other than the usual -2 or -2.5 Db... Hope this doesn't sound to craze to pros out there ! Now I have to try this new attack setting + release. Thx.
Sir im Advocate Mehmood Azeem from Pakistan. I just started my RUclips channel my viewers were having a problem regarding the volume of my videos when they played them from their mobile phone.. Sir your this video has helped me alot fix that problem. Thanks for making such a wonderful video..
Hi Advocate Mehmood Azeem, thank you. Yes, several: ruclips.net/video/1lIjFBG6w58/видео.html ruclips.net/video/vlJSTavIY3k/видео.html ruclips.net/video/Zs-5vshUgJ4/видео.html Remember that it almost always works better to prevent noise in recordings with things like sound blankets, microphone placement, choice of recording space, etc.
@@curtisjudd Sir thank you for sharing the links on Noise Reduction. Yes its a great suggestion that noises should be prevent from getting being recorded. But the noise which im trying to avoid is of "atomsphere" or maybe of my Air-conditioner. But cant switch it off becoz of this hot weather.
@@curtisjudd Sir i have mentioned the link of my RUclips Channel. There is no music or anything else in my videos except my voice. In my last video i applied all that in Adobe Audition which i learnt by watching your videos and i was almost successful in raising the loudness of my voice in my last video. But all my videos before the last one are not in a smooth and loud voice.. Can you suggest me how to make my voice more smooth. Ive mentioned the link of my Channel below. ruclips.net/video/ZySe1SOd2Lw/видео.html
Sure. Which version are you using? Reason I ask is that the newest version (Creative Cloud) has all the exact same plugins as Audacity, including all of those I use in this video. Older versions are a little more limited.
I was taught that the broadcast standard was to aim no higher than -12db. You are way above that, do you find that your videos are playing much louder than the average? Otherwise, I like how you simplified the process. Very useful, and a bit simpler than the steps I take. Thanks
Hi Alain, I've learned a lot since this episode was shot nearly 4 years ago. For TV broadcast, there are now required loudness standards which are generally specified in LUFS or LKFS (LUFS = Loudness Units Full Scale). What I've learned is that transient peaks don't generally define how loud a given clip of audio sounds. Instead, amplitude over a sustained period is the major driver of perceived loudness. So the LUFS scale takes this into account and also handles "silent" portions of audio. So instead of using a peak target, such as -12dBFS, I now aim for LUFS loudness targets. In the US, the TV broadcast standard is -24 LUFS and in Europe, -23 LUFS. If you're interested, we covered this in more detail here: ruclips.net/video/-J1v0bdji6c/видео.html Thanks for the question and best wishes!
Thanks for this video! Quick question...am I missing something or couldn't you normalize one more time at the end instead of adding make-up gain (and having to worry about peaking over 0)?
Yes, you could. By the way, this is a really old video and I don't use this process anymore. I'd recommend these two updated videos instead: ruclips.net/video/nOzZKEWJ5wk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/lHNhxGojFRU/видео.html
Hi Curtis, I bought the Rode smartlav, and I am trying to follow some of the instructions you give in this video, but through the Rode app settings as it has compression build in. But alas I feel it is not working quite as well due to my inexperience. Could you try a similar walkthrough using only the Rode app settings. (dont worry I realize I can hardly expect the same result, but would be a great way to say how much you could do without the desktop software)
I notice at about the 10:09 mark, you seemed to use a keystroke to Normalize. Do you have a hotkey setup, and if so, what is it? And btw, great video. Best I've seen on compression; simple explanation. I followed along on a sample track!
Hi Gary! That was actually just a cut in the video to keep things moving along. Unfortunately I'm not aware of a shortcut to normalize. Thanks for the feedback!
Wow. Thanks, man! However, on Vegas Pro 14 Edit (Humble Bundle version), normalization is weird. What I did for my VoiceMeeter Discord call recording is this: 1. Track compressor with a threshold at what would be the most annoying dB, and with infinite ratio, fastest attack (1ms), 200ms release. (My recording needed -6dB) 2. Track compressor with input gain with 1dB of headroom (My recording needed +8dB), and then the rest is according to your principles; output gain came out 3dB, threshold was -9dB amount came out 3:1, my attack was 2ms and my release was 250 (might change that at some point) 3. Track compression that saves the day: -2dB threshold, infinite ratio, attack 1ms, release 500ms (lol XD) Normalization, auto gain and other stuff was off. The EQ was however something I needed and I placed it later on directly at the beginning of the chain.
You could make an episode on lav placement, eg you wear your pretty far down instead up up close, is that to reduce unwanted sounds like eg breathing and swallowing etc?
Great video! Learned a lot. I have a quick question: in what situation would you go beyond this and additionally EQ a dialogue track? Would you say these steps would cover most situations?
I copied your settings from (a bit expensive) Audition, to Sony Movie Studio build-in compressor and I got the same result! Thanks God, I thought Audition is necessary! :D
Thanks Joon kinloch. Please consider watching this much newer video about how I approach loudness in audio for video as of 2021: ruclips.net/video/lHNhxGojFRU/видео.html
Hi Chris, thank you for your excellent series of audio tutorials which I have found very useful. I was wondering if I could ask a couple of questions. When you have a lot of audio clips to deal with in an external audio editor, do you still need to work on each one separately, i.e. clean them up, equalise and normalise them before you put them back in the video or is there a more efficient and quicker way of working? Also, after finishing with a clip, would you save it in the original WAV format or render it to MP3? Many thanks.
Hi Lazar, There are things you can do to automate cleanup in both Audition and RX (which is my main cleanup tool these days). In Audition, you can set up effects rack presets. In RX, you can do something very similar. As for rendering after cleanup, I always leave the audio in Wav format until the final video is rendered, and for most renders, the audio ends up in AAC, not MP3. Best to keep to the wav lossless format until the final render since audio files are relatively small and easy to manage relative to video files.
Thank you for making this video. I was wondering if you could do a tutorial on dealing with the same kinds of issues but in a podcast format. As you know podcasts are exploding the majority of my work is editing them. With so many beginners entering the field you wouldn’t believe the crap I get sent specifically streaming audio. For instance someone using earbuds with a little microphone on them from Apple so as they move their head the sound is constantly changing and on top of that the recording is from ZOOM video conferencing call. I have been an engineer for over 20 years I know pro tools inside and out and I have tried every trick in the book. I was just wondering if you had any suggestions... I like the idea of adding a plug-in that adds harmonics to fill in the missing information, but in a musical context you have more choices to be creative. With a podcast the dialogue is naked and completely exposed. Any tips?
Hi Tim, Thanks for the suggestion! I'm still learning but will definitely share what I learn as I progress. Working with poorly recorded audio is incredibly challenging and frustrating. I've learned a few small tricks to help and will definitely share in future videos. Thanks!
Hi Curtis, thanks for all this information, it's really helpful, now let me ask you something, when you start record how do you do the previous settings before start recording? Do you use any compression or gate? I'm new in this so any advise will be helpful, thanks.
I just aim to have my peaks hit about -12 db so I have my talent talk for a little bit before recording. Then in post production, I use the method in the video here to get everything finished and mastered.
I'm pretty sure I've talked about that before in a Sound for Video Session but here's a very brief explanation: A limiter is basically a compressor but usually has a fixed, very high compression ratio, usually 20:1 or higher, and an attack time that is usually very small and cannot be changed. That's the general idea.
8 years later tip: When compressing dialogue, try setting attack to the smallest setting possible and set the release to 500ms. It will usually sound better and less compressed that way, while still accomplishing the end goal - making your audio louder.
Thanks 8 years later Curtis.
😂 Thanks 8years. I've just been saved.
@@isikoabubaker2743 👍
@@curtisjudd remake the vid?
@@MysteryFinery done: ruclips.net/video/lHNhxGojFRU/видео.html
9 years later still better than most videos made today thanks man
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Noise reduction is typically done prior to the steps shown here. The reason for that is you do not want to increase and compress the noise. The point is to to get rid of as much of it as possible before those stages.Having said that once you do normalize or simply increase the gain you may now detect noises that you previously did not notice. In that case apply the proper filters that selectively target the specific noise types. Once you have done that and have the cleanest signal you can then it it is time to apply special effects and/or processing such as compression, loudness maximizing. limiters etc.. The biggest cause of problems starts at the recording stage. Make sure your levels are correct at that time AND what ever you do make sure you do not use the camera's built in mic.. Spend a few dollars and use an external mic and better yet connected to a separate recorder whose .track(s) you can sync up in post. Properly done that is your best insurance to capture quality sound with the least noise.
Good insights--thanks Bill.
So are stating to do the Noise reduction Prior to Compression or after sir?
Thank You
Yes.
Curtis Judd Before or After? lol
btw everything i have learned about lighting and aound so far has been through awesome videos!
Sorry, noise reduction first. :)
You are the only youtuber across youtube who explained clearly and simply the tresh ration gain... Thanks man
Thanks!
This is by far the best video on this topic. Simply because it can be applied to any voice easily. Way better than the Dynamics Processing.
Thanks!
I agree... But for simple productions.. But. To those that may be interested in a large production..
1st step : Dialogue editing
Dialogue Volume match, Possibly de-noising, ect.
Then its to Mixing..... Sometimes Room ambient matching, and real time processing is key here... , EQ-ing, Dynamics, ect...., .....Dynamic processing is the bookend. Especially in Film. Things cant be committed to a file...... Real time is a necessity..... . And when you have the tools, its just as quick.
This guy has one of the most valuable resources on RUclips for audio - first class dude!
Thanks Andrew - very kind of you!
Thanks Curtis ! spent few hours watching videos on this topic and your tutorial is the only one that explains the process clearly step by step in few minutes.
the other related topic you covered and I found to be extremely helpful for improving dialogue voice is removing echo/reverb which can be present to varying degrees in room recordings. I highly recommend everyone to watch it too. keep it up and thanks again.
Thanks Mishal!
I remember this was one of the only videos on RUclips, for improving audio. I keep coming back to this. Thank you, Curtis!
Thanks Editor!
I just started to dip my toe into the audio recording world with my recent purchase of a zoom h1. Your videos are fantastic. They get me to consider things I never even thought of before. I've been so focused on getting the right gear to get the image looking good and there is a whole slew of things I need to know to get the audio sounding equally well. I like to joke that youtube is my film school and if that's so, then you're one of my professors! Keep up the great work, Curtis.
Thanks Bobby!
This video was made in 2013 and is still spot on today 2022. A timeless lesson.
Thank you
Thanks David.
Dude you are NUMBER ONE... Its the first time to me to understand what compression really is.. Thanks a lot
Thanks Basil.
This video was published nearly 3 years ago but it's still golden content. Thanks for this awesome tutorial, Curtis!
You're welcome and thanks for the feedback!
I'm a videographer (depositions) and I've been using compression in the field for many years. Your video is a very good intro for other videographers to understand why we want to use it, and the settings you used are close to what I recommend for field compression. That was a good example that demonstrated the audible difference too. I'm glad I ran across your video.
Post processing is one way to add compression, but you can actually compress in the field too, and then you don't have to use post! I use small portable units like the FMR RNC (around $150). Some of your viewers might not have audio processing software, and field compression is another way to get it done. The biggest benefit to field compression is the the additional freedom that it gives the videographer. With the lows boosted by makeup gain, and the high volume parts attenuated, the audio naturally takes much more care of itself and leaves you to focus your attention on other aspects of the job. It's practically automatic audio.
Great video, thanks for posting it!
Thanks Kelly, I appreciate the feedback. Great point on the hardware compressor during recording!
Thanks man I was looking for this kind of tuitorial for months though I don't have a pc still I learned great information
Thanks Ritesh.
@@curtisjudd wow you replied to a 7 years old videos comment 😊
👍 For you.
Your voice is very easy to understand! I have been wondering what exactly normalizing is. I have to normalize to -3 db for ACX work and wondered what goes on. This helps a LOT! Thanks for this!
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Excellent tutorial, right to the point, without unnecessary cheesy jokes and a "without further ado..." like in many tutorials these days.
Thanks. Old but glad to hear it is still useful. 👍
Just wanted to send you a note telling you how grateful I am for your videos and sharing your knowledge. Your audio tutorial here has really helped my productions immensely. I am a professional video editor by trade (Dirty Jobs, American Chopper, Biggest Loser,, etc.), but I was never trained in audio. I would always go to the final mix, but had no idea what they were doing. So when I would try to make personal videos, they always looked good but had audio issues. Your tutorials have given me great insights as to how to better mix my own audio, and what a difference. Thanks!
Thanks Phontaine! And good job on your editing!
Thanks for the awesome video! I just recently graduated from a local audio engineering school and just wrapped sound mixing for my first local film. I'm used to editing all my audio in Protools but unfortunately won't have that entirely available for our post production process, so this guide is a very helpful look into Audition. Thanks again!
Colin Myers Congrats on your graduation and best wishes in getting your career going!
David Bialik I usually set my input levels so that peaks fall around -15 to -10 at the hottest. Digital is much less forgiving and I find that some digital recorders do capture distortion, even at -6db. Thanks!
@@abeeeshen3852 Hi Abeeeshan, I mean the gain or input setting when recording. While recording, I set the gain until the meters top out at around -15 to -10 or so.
this was one of the few tutorials about compression that really taught me something, thanks!
Chrystian Danucalov Thanks, glad it was helpful!
Great tutorial! Thank you! One thing that should be mentioned is that normalization doesn't always return the desired outcome. At times, the levels may actually unexpectedly drop significantly, for no apparent reason. The reason for this is that there are often mic pops, or electronic spikes in the audio that shoot above 0dB, causing the normalization to lower the overall volume. This can be really difficult to address, because even a single sample containing a pop will result in a lowering of the levels, and will be very difficult to isolate.
Agreed. This is one of my older videos. These days I loudness normalize using LUFS/LKFS instead of peak normalizing like here.
You are, by far, the best channel on youtube for audio editing i have found! Thank you so much!
Thanks!
Thanks for this Curtis. simply and succinctly put. Compression is one of those things I've toyed with but never fully understood. Your explanation definitely filled in some gaps in my knowledge. Cheers, Ben
Thanks for the feedback Ben!
Thank you very much for making this video. Working through some voiceover audio right now and as great as Audition is, it's a lot to take in if you're not already well informed about audio production. Your advice has really helped me understand what to manage with levels and now the voice tracks sounds fantastic. Thanks again!
trun0jay Glad to hear it (no pun intended)! Thanks!
This is a very good tutorial with explanation why we have to do this. Frankly, a famous photographer RUclipsr should watch this!
Thanks Bob.
Thank YOU SOOO MUCH FOR THIS. I use adobe. The way you put it was GREAT. Ive seen many videos and read a lot on compression but the way you explained it and showed it. AMAZING
Sev Hall Thanks Sev!
Infinitely helpful.. thanks Curtis! Keep doing what you're doing, you are helping so many people through your videos
Thanks. :) In Creative Cloud, all of these plugins from Audacity are available in Premiere as well so if you don't need the visual feedback to you get in Audacity, you can speed up your workflow by just staying in Premiere.
Great tutorial. Thanks for keeping it simple and explaining how the settings work rather than just showing which buttons to push!
James Gray Thanks James!
This is a great channel! I really appreciate you taking the time to make these videos for those of us getting started with audio. This has been a huge help to my channel.
Thank you. I'm just trying to get better audio thru study and working with my systems. Excited to try these several affects to add some clarity to my voice overs.
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Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and expertise Curtis, your video helped me to perfect the audio from an event I shot! Wish you all the best.
Glad to hear it zafeer!
Hey!!! Great video!! (As always) you should try adding a small room reverb (and also brimg down the wet sounds) to give it a little more life. I record music, so its a little diffrent but they are really close. But in the dialogue i have edited small room reverb helps... Great video! Again just something to try.
Hi Alf, will do--I've played with them a little but need a little more time to really get them working well. I'll put that in the queue!
Fantastic straight forward tutorial on compression with Audition. Crazy how old this video is but still relevant (at least for me!). Thank you!!
Thanks!
Absolutely agree with Manish. You did a great job explaining it and this video is the perfect starting point for someone who wants to learn this skill. Thanks buddy!
Thanks Imraan!
Great tutorial! I've always been able to play with compressor knobs to achieve a flatter dynamic range, but now I understand the how and why. Thanks Curtis
I know this is an old video and you've probably learnt a lot by then but thank you so much for sharing your knowledge in an easy to understand way. There's a wealth of information in the comments section also. Just my two cents on how the compressed signal sounds. It sounds kind of unnatural but then again I know this is just a demonstration of the basic compression settings (perhaps even softer settings would make it sound more natural). Also what's good with a compressor is that it leaves more headroom for sound engineers to work with their mixes. It's a tradeoff as always. And also it can be a lifesaver if there is a huge dynamic difference in the signal recorded and also for live streams because in this way you voice won't make someone's ears bleed if you start shouting and they are using headphones. So lot's of uses for that. It's true also what you said that it brings the voice more in the "foreground" than in the "middle" of the recording. I am almost a complete newbie myself, but I have an appreciation for good sounding audio and am trying to learn more. Cheers and thank you again! :)
Yes, learned a LOT since I made this video. Biggest thing is to use a longer release time for spoken word content. I find that starting at around 500ms on the release helps a LOT to produce a more transparent sounding compression.
@@curtisjudd Thank you again for sharing your knowledge and information freely. It’s wonderful and I think it evolves us a species. Cheers! 🙂
I use similar techniques, been doing so for years and this video is great! We need more videos on dialogue editing and preparation for various media. Very cool!
Thanks bacontrees! A few weeks ago I posted an updated episode that covers loudness normalization in detail since my workflow for editing dialogue has evolved some since: ruclips.net/video/VcMOBrdbHgk/видео.html
Thank you sooooooo much for this video. Audio is difficult to understand, not like video editing, and so you made my value increase. For this I thank you.
You are welcome and thank you for the feedback!
This was extremely useful b/c i did not know how to apply compression and had the same problems with normalization after applying compression, this video definitively made my sound sounds much better. So far with all your tutorials i was able to improve my audio quality, there was many many things i was ignorant about, and now i feel a little bit more credible in my audio setup ^_^ Thank you.
+Steven Rix Thanks!
good stuff Chris. I enjoy your videos. Easy delivery to listen to and nice pace.
Thanks Peter.
Always nice to have a clear and concise refresher. Thanks.
Hey Curtis, bumped into you again. This is exactly what I needed to learn. Thanks for this video!
You're most welcome! 👍
Thanks very much Sir Curtis about this video tutorial. I really learned a lot and got a depth understanding on how to use the compression and processing. As well as i got an additional idea about normalizing the audio. Right now is 2021. It still helped me even this video was 7 years ago. hopefully you will have more video to come. Thanks. New subscriber here.
Thanks Arvin.
@@curtisjudd you're welcome sir
brilliant, one of the best tutorials about normalizing and compressing 🔥
Thanks Musab.
The video is very helpful. It helps me to understand the basic concept of nomalization and compressor. Thank you!!!
Thanks Summer Jo!
I listen to this for the 2nd time. Curtis: very good, that you ALSO explains some theory, helps me a lot. Most other videos are useless compared to yours. Regards from Denmark !
Thanks Michael!
Had no clue. Good basic info. Sounded better even on Mac laptop speakers. Great channel.
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a really fantastic tutorial, made me understand compression and normalization much better. thank you
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Curtis, in 11min's you have helped me raise the production value bar several notches on all my productions. I shoot a lot of interviews and have been looking for ways to make improvements.
Would you say it's too conservative to set interview audio record levels so they don't peak above -6db? I've been told by some that "digital" recording is more likely to distort above -6 and not like the days of analog where a signal above 0db might distort.
Awesome video! Thank you very much, I'm always struggling a lot with the audio of my tutorials! Great content as always! :D
Good tutorial. I've seen a couple of other tuts on compression, but did not understand how to read the dB meter in relation to setting threshold,
+Raymond Peterson Thanks!
Just got Adobe Audition 2019 ....had to come back to 2013 to learn how to fix my audio ....Thanks Curtis .... Carlos Giron
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Cool.....You're the first ever to explain to me how ratio really works.....Visually. ....You're other methods were good also....
Thanks Jamie.
Very clear, concise and practical explanations... 👍👍 Thanks very much for the content!!
Thanks AL!
Curtis, you're killing me w/ that music
+Davis McDermand Sorry for that. Back in 2013 I tried background music for a while. I'm cured of that since then. :)
+Curtis Judd Nah, It's so fresh. killing in a good way. like going to dying and going heaven
My flow for working on dialogue is to take a noise print and remove the noise first. Then I look at the waveform and if there are a lot of large peaks I will add a hard limiter at an appropriate level to set the peaks at nearly but not exactly the same level, to retain character. Then I add some compression so that there's a visual uniform difference between the loudest and quietest levels. Then if needed, I will add an EQ and address the quality of the sound to make it smooth and rich. Finally, I normalize, usually to -0.1 db. Cheers!
Thanks Rich. The only thing I’d be careful about is that if you’re going to export/encode the audio to a lossy format, you should leave more headroom than -0.1dB. It is best to leave -1.5dB true peak because most encoding algorithms will remove some of that headroom and your audio can still clip if normalized to -0.1dB.
I've never met anyone with photography as their middle name. thanks for the video, it helped a lot.
Thanks a lot this saved my audio!
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+MaSTAR Media you're most welcome!
DUDE WHAT?! YOUR HERE?!
My fastest take on voice with DJI mics, depending on talents :
Low cut filter from 60 to 120 Hz, standard curve (default in DaVinci)
No other thing than a DC of -7 Db (Dynamic Compression), other than the usual -2 or -2.5 Db... Hope this doesn't sound to craze to pros out there !
Now I have to try this new attack setting + release. Thx.
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Thanks.
Sir im Advocate Mehmood Azeem from Pakistan. I just started my RUclips channel my viewers were having a problem regarding the volume of my videos when they played them from their mobile phone..
Sir your this video has helped me alot fix that problem.
Thanks for making such a wonderful video..
And Sir you have any videos on noise reduction ?
Hi Advocate Mehmood Azeem, thank you. Yes, several:
ruclips.net/video/1lIjFBG6w58/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/vlJSTavIY3k/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/Zs-5vshUgJ4/видео.html
Remember that it almost always works better to prevent noise in recordings with things like sound blankets, microphone placement, choice of recording space, etc.
@@curtisjudd Sir thank you for sharing the links on Noise Reduction.
Yes its a great suggestion that noises should be prevent from getting being recorded. But the noise which im trying to avoid is of "atomsphere" or maybe of my Air-conditioner. But cant switch it off becoz of this hot weather.
@@curtisjudd Sir i have mentioned the link of my RUclips Channel. There is no music or anything else in my videos except my voice.
In my last video i applied all that in Adobe Audition which i learnt by watching your videos and i was almost successful in raising the loudness of my voice in my last video. But all my videos before the last one are not in a smooth and loud voice..
Can you suggest me how to make my voice more smooth. Ive mentioned the link of my Channel below.
ruclips.net/video/ZySe1SOd2Lw/видео.html
Sure. Which version are you using? Reason I ask is that the newest version (Creative Cloud) has all the exact same plugins as Audacity, including all of those I use in this video. Older versions are a little more limited.
Great tutorial, thanks alot for the time and work you put into it! As I was watching it, I got more and more excited to get to work!
Thanks--good luck on your recordings!
I was taught that the broadcast standard was to aim no higher than -12db. You are way above that, do you find that your videos are playing much louder than the average? Otherwise, I like how you simplified the process. Very useful, and a bit simpler than the steps I take. Thanks
Hi Alain, I've learned a lot since this episode was shot nearly 4 years ago. For TV broadcast, there are now required loudness standards which are generally specified in LUFS or LKFS (LUFS = Loudness Units Full Scale). What I've learned is that transient peaks don't generally define how loud a given clip of audio sounds. Instead, amplitude over a sustained period is the major driver of perceived loudness. So the LUFS scale takes this into account and also handles "silent" portions of audio.
So instead of using a peak target, such as -12dBFS, I now aim for LUFS loudness targets. In the US, the TV broadcast standard is -24 LUFS and in Europe, -23 LUFS. If you're interested, we covered this in more detail here: ruclips.net/video/-J1v0bdji6c/видео.html
Thanks for the question and best wishes!
Curtis Judd Will you re-make this video with the improvements you've learned over these 4 years?
You're a natural born teacher! Amazing tutorial. So instead of using the "gain" feature, couldn't we just Normalize everything at the end again?
Thanks Leonardo, yes you could.
Really detailed tutorial. You're great at explaining these things. Thank you.
Thanks.
This video helped me to understand some things about using compressor. Thanks a lot!
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Thanks Curits!! I followed your video along with my Audition opened. very helpful as a tutorial!!!! :)
Glad it helped, thanks Roley!
Thanks! By the way, your prom proposal video: Awesome!
Best video regarding this topic. Kudos
Thanks Vins.
This was a great tutorial and helped me out a bunch. Thanks for taking the time to make this.
You're welcome and thanks for the feedback Jewell!
Using this method for my video today :) used singelband compressor before but this tube one seems to work good :)
Glad to hear it. Keep making great videos!
I've been using this technique for a while now. I think the time has come for you to teach us what attack and release are. The students are ready. :P
Thanks Leonardo, will do!
Very informative, it helped me a lot. One more thing though, I'd like to find out how did you set up that awesome lighting?
Thanks. This episode covers the lighting: ruclips.net/video/RLFFjTAo4UE/видео.html
Thanks for this video! Quick question...am I missing something or couldn't you normalize one more time at the end instead of adding make-up gain (and having to worry about peaking over 0)?
Yes, you could. By the way, this is a really old video and I don't use this process anymore. I'd recommend these two updated videos instead: ruclips.net/video/nOzZKEWJ5wk/видео.html ruclips.net/video/lHNhxGojFRU/видео.html
@@curtisjudd Cool, thanks!
Hi Curtis, I bought the Rode smartlav, and I am trying to follow some of the instructions you give in this video, but through the Rode app settings as it has compression build in. But alas I feel it is not working quite as well due to my inexperience. Could you try a similar walkthrough using only the Rode app settings. (dont worry I realize I can hardly expect the same result, but would be a great way to say how much you could do without the desktop software)
As always, very helpful Curtis. Thank you.
You explain so well Curtis, thank you so much!
Thanks Gabriel!
I notice at about the 10:09 mark, you seemed to use a keystroke to Normalize. Do you have a hotkey setup, and if so, what is it? And btw, great video. Best I've seen on compression; simple explanation. I followed along on a sample track!
Hi Gary! That was actually just a cut in the video to keep things moving along. Unfortunately I'm not aware of a shortcut to normalize. Thanks for the feedback!
Wow. Thanks, man! However, on Vegas Pro 14 Edit (Humble Bundle version), normalization is weird. What I did for my VoiceMeeter Discord call recording is this:
1. Track compressor with a threshold at what would be the most annoying dB, and with infinite ratio, fastest attack (1ms), 200ms release. (My recording needed -6dB)
2. Track compressor with input gain with 1dB of headroom (My recording needed +8dB), and then the rest is according to your principles; output gain came out 3dB, threshold was -9dB amount came out 3:1, my attack was 2ms and my release was 250 (might change that at some point)
3. Track compression that saves the day: -2dB threshold, infinite ratio, attack 1ms, release 500ms (lol XD)
Normalization, auto gain and other stuff was off. The EQ was however something I needed and I placed it later on directly at the beginning of the chain.
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Thank you for your brief and clear explanation sir!
You're welcome!
Great explanation! Greets from Mexico! Keep like that!!
Thanks Ray and greetings from the Rocky Mountains!
Simply amazing 👆
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You could make an episode on lav placement, eg you wear your pretty far down instead up up close, is that to reduce unwanted sounds like eg breathing and swallowing etc?
Extremely helpful video. Gonna recommend this to some VA buds.
Great video! Learned a lot. I have a quick question: in what situation would you go beyond this and additionally EQ a dialogue track? Would you say these steps would cover most situations?
I almost always also apply EQ, or at the very least, a high pass filter.
I copied your settings from (a bit expensive) Audition, to Sony Movie Studio build-in compressor and I got the same result! Thanks God, I thought Audition is necessary! :D
Glad it worked!
Btw. Thanks because this is the most useful channel about voice producing, I found on youtube! Keep it up!
Thanks, Curtis! This video just came in handy for me today.
+PixelPush Media Glad it helped!
Normalize first then use the compressor for dialogue audio for RUclips? I’m using da Vinci resolve!
I love your videos!
Thanks Joon kinloch. Please consider watching this much newer video about how I approach loudness in audio for video as of 2021: ruclips.net/video/lHNhxGojFRU/видео.html
@@curtisjudd yes sir, thank you!
Your a great instructor Curtis. Thanks.
Thanks Ben!
Thanks Curtis! Right to the point, concise, and helpful!! :)
+Aimee Pavy thanks!
Hi Chris, thank you for your excellent series of audio tutorials which I have found very useful. I was wondering if I could ask a couple of questions. When you have a lot of audio clips to deal with in an external audio editor, do you still need to work on each one separately, i.e. clean them up, equalise and normalise them before you put them back in the video or is there a more efficient and quicker way of working? Also, after finishing with a clip, would you save it in the original WAV format or render it to MP3? Many thanks.
Hi Lazar, There are things you can do to automate cleanup in both Audition and RX (which is my main cleanup tool these days). In Audition, you can set up effects rack presets. In RX, you can do something very similar. As for rendering after cleanup, I always leave the audio in Wav format until the final video is rendered, and for most renders, the audio ends up in AAC, not MP3. Best to keep to the wav lossless format until the final render since audio files are relatively small and easy to manage relative to video files.
Thank you for making this video. I was wondering if you could do a tutorial on dealing with the same kinds of issues but in a podcast format.
As you know podcasts are exploding the majority of my work is editing them. With so many beginners entering the field you wouldn’t believe the crap I get sent specifically streaming audio. For instance someone using earbuds with a little microphone on them from Apple so as they move their head the sound is constantly changing and on top of that the recording is from ZOOM video conferencing call.
I have been an engineer for over 20 years I know pro tools inside and out and I have tried every trick in the book. I was just wondering if you had any suggestions... I like the idea of adding a plug-in that adds harmonics to fill in the missing information, but in a musical context you have more choices to be creative. With a podcast the dialogue is naked and completely exposed. Any tips?
Hi Tim, Thanks for the suggestion! I'm still learning but will definitely share what I learn as I progress. Working with poorly recorded audio is incredibly challenging and frustrating. I've learned a few small tricks to help and will definitely share in future videos. Thanks!
Absolutely excellent! Just what I needed. Thank you.
Thanks, glad it helped!
Thanks for clearing up a subject that was largely mystery to me.
Thanks for the feedback!
Hi Curtis, thanks for all this information, it's really helpful, now let me ask you something, when you start record how do you do the previous settings before start recording? Do you use any compression or gate? I'm new in this so any advise will be helpful, thanks.
I just aim to have my peaks hit about -12 db so I have my talent talk for a little bit before recording. Then in post production, I use the method in the video here to get everything finished and mastered.
Thanks a lot I'll try it and I'll let you know, thanks again!
Hi Curtis, do you have a video explaining the difference between a compressor and a limiter?
I'm pretty sure I've talked about that before in a Sound for Video Session but here's a very brief explanation: A limiter is basically a compressor but usually has a fixed, very high compression ratio, usually 20:1 or higher, and an attack time that is usually very small and cannot be changed. That's the general idea.
Great idea--added to the queue.