Good video that mate. I like how you don’t just listen to assumptions or gossip on a characters life experience, your own research is for sure a great way of determining what is. Big well done bro👊❤️✌️
I new Johnny Mack I spent every winter with him in Goa for years a top man gentleman I have many fond memories we talked for months each year yes there was a period of hard drugs and alcohol but during his last years he was free of both RIP Johnny
@@smith2781 he was a nice fella liked a beer or two then he went sober for years found religion in latter life sadly he got seriously ill , I mis him we had a laugh about what side the water he was from , I actually new both him from Goa and biil from E16
I used to bunk of at the ranley yacht club Putney bridge Fulham side,After it shut down,very eerie tiny mirrored alcoves upstairs proper small club ,we used it to have a puff and lose a few hours between lower and upper school, good days 🇬🇧
Thanks buddy really enjoyed listening gangster folklore. Many legend's..really were hard men back in the day , wild day's. I wondered if today's hard men will be remembered in year's to come ..only time will tell .
Great vid, I love hearing stories about south & west london gangsters. So many east london stories which are great too, what about north london? The Nashes, Adams, Riley’s I bet there’s some good stuff there. Much respect brother!
Bad day for Ray - escapes from a set to he doesn't want any part of, lays a cable in his Y fronts, gets slapped around, and then gets taxed. Hopefully things didn't get any worse for him...
Excellent vid. In the early 80s myself and a few friends who were early twenties then would go to the Water Rat pub on kings Road Chelsea on Saturdays. Bindon would always be there he took a shine to us young lads and we would hang out He was a fun nice guy. What made my ears prick up here tho in this vid was your mention of Clemie, I met her with him one time she eas very young late teens, anyhow she came over and snogged me at the bar, I nearly died thinking omg Bindon will kill me! He just laughed and I lived 😂
Bindon got in a bit of trouble when he was working for Led Zeppelin in the US. There's a few different versions of what happened, some say it was Bindon, Peter Grant and John Bonham bashing the concert promoter's son over some disagreement. Other versions just say Bindon chinned an American stagehand who had insulted him. In any case, he got fired from Zeppelin's crew and had to leg it back to the UK to avoid being arrested.
The version I believe is that Plant's son took a star from a door as a souvenir and a member of the road crew gave him a clip around the ear (not knowing who he was) and Bindon floored him. Created a mini-war on the tour. Bindon was sent home and Grant never employed him again.
I was brought up in west London in the pubs etc and now live in south London near Peckham actually.. never heard of Johnny Mack but definitely know all about John bindon .. from old stories from the old boys etc
Interesting story. You should speak to Dave Smith, from Norbury. He was around a lot of those guys & knew them well. Bren Power was my landlord when I lived in Chelsea during the 90’s. The flat was right opposite, Jackie Leaches, Gaslight Club, on the Kings Rd. There were always faces & wrong ‘un’s in that gaff.
If you can still walk away with your head held high after mixing it up with Bindon then youve got to be tough. I'd agree this wasn't a young strong version of bindon. Another good one bud 👍
Great story mate! It wasn't until Matt Legg did a brief video on Bindon, l had any clue he was a villain on and off of the screen! I remembered his face from Get Carter, Z Cars (l think?) etc. How's Ray for backup with John!?! Left his bootprint on his mates head, while shooting through! My uncle and grandad fought in Africa, Crete and New Guinea... Shittin yself under fire, or in fear is a real thing.... as we saw here!! The book sounds like a good read.. Cheers.
we were young Mods in the late 70's and used to got to the Golden Lion in Fulham Broadway on a Sunday afternoons on our scooters for the early Aussie "Church" as they called it back then, this had comedians, bands etc. The bar staff were very scary, but took us under there wing as many were earning a few extra pennies on the door as doormen and were training at the local barracks for the SAS and just seemed to like us, which was not a normal thing back then as we seemed to be the scurge of every other youth cult lol. I remember JB in the pub a few times, always with a large group of geezers and some lovely sorts. The rumour about his "old chap" was well know even by us, and I can assure you, all the door staff gave him major respect, as it was from them we heard the stories and who he was. He even used to treat us to a smile and a thumbs up, maybe because he was in the movie quadrophenia where he had played a crime boss. Anyway, strange world to had grown up in. From a working class propective, these were the type of people that earned our respect for many reasons and not because they were very just hard men. Way out of our league, but so glad that I had the chance just to be in the same place !
It was my famileys club the Yaht club where it happend it started when johns mate roy dennis chinned darke then darke pulled a knife on roy thats when john got involved they both got badley hurt pat sullivan and mickey smithers run the club at the time as the owners was in prison all the best with youre channel 👍
@@enquirer2.0 roy adkins got shot in the american bar in the leardsplain by is own friends they set him up then took over his buisness roy loved his hourse racing was always there with the milkman b Wright ozzer ariffe eamon ginger Dell d adams father in law harry hicks and a man nickname called globo roy was a good man also check out my mate norman jones he was married to c krays daughter Nancy her real dad was geoge ince who got nicked for the barn murders norman and his boys doing 33 years rec all the best 👍
John Bindon was one of the most interesting gangsters around because he was associated with showbiz and royalty. His trial stopped the TV show "Hazel" from being screen because it would prejudice the case. Never met the man and only going on people I trust but he wasn't an honourable bloke at all and hit people who just annoyed him. Like students. He was a good collector for the Richardson's - and they didn't employ idiots. Said he felt safe at the end of his life because he lost so much weight that nobody recognised him. Everyone walked away though.
There were so many interesting things about John Bindon. One was that he was close friends with David Bowie's wife Angie. They used to go jogging together. She writes about him in her autobiography. Must have been interesting them all singing Christmas carols together at the Bowie household.
I've stopped listening to all these one sided versions, the one telling the tale is always great and the other is a tart. I'm from the east end of Glasgow and i know a lot of the players everyone does but i also know things that they don't tell others, I also used to work with an ex CID guy and he did his policing in the 80's 90's in the east end and the story's he can tell about the lies of these gangsters and hardmen, certain bits of books which they write he said he just laughs because they tell you one load of garbage when he knows the real story. I would just take everything with a pinch of salt. plus in this case we can't get John Bindons take on it can we.
All books will have a creative licence as will people on podcasts telling their stories , as will old bill as will people in pubs. On my documentaries they are all thoroughly researched from court records and press archives and from people in the know . But book readings are take it or leave it . you don't know he's lying but I don't know if he telling truth it was a fight in a flat allegedly. I've spoke to people who are respected and knew him who say he was a face so that will do me. CID are the most corrupt lying 🤥 firm going as I know to my cost.
Sorry for the comment I sent you pal, it was out of order and on someone's channel who is a quality serious,humble man even worse of me! but mostly because you got as much rite to say whatever you believe with out a dickhead like me pulling you up and giving you a "producer" my bad! And it's wrong to say things like that online when it should be done in a way where its man to man not keyboard to keyboard! That's why I don't hide away behind an empty profile as I believe in showing your face if got something to say! So at the end of the day I'm sorry I should never give a negative comment to a negative comment and climb down to that level, really Hope you can atleast respect my apology even if not accept! It wasn't that bad anyway but it was a divvy move and out of order/more than anything to Mr E on his channel. Take care. + sorry geezer sorry E 2.0
Binden got a visit from 'The Firm'...'The Establishment' regarding his relationship with that spoilt party animal Princess Margaret. That was the beginning of the end for Binden. They all used to Hang out in a place called The Gasworks in Fulham...No fanks.
Heres one Oliver Reed was in a film with Bindon,they did not like each other ,in a field near the film studio they had a fight with Nosher Powell as ref it seems it went on for 15 minutes which is some time ,Ollie knocked out Bindon...............some time after Ollie was in a fulham club ,not knowing Bindon was there who pulled out a knife and wanted to kill Ollie ,they got Ollie out of there .............
We went to William penn school together aged 14 , he mentioned me in the forward of his book landed on the moon he even visited me when l was on holiday in Perth hmp..😅 sadly missed
@@santorini8423 there's another channel that covers crime that covered it before. I'd imagine if 50 people were present there would be 50 different versions of the story.
According to what ive read joe pyle had respect for bindon so he mustve had something about him Ray hill says ollie reed beat bindon in a straightner Now by all accounts ollie in his youth could have a fight- but i would think he had more sense than to tangle with really dangerous blokes??
Lol hello rich my old mucka, you was there for me a few times when I had a war with the bermondsey mob lol that was vicious and a few other times cheers rich, hope your all good .
@@enquirer2.0 a bare knuckle gent. Beat the Australian champ. The Irish champ..and look into a mate of his called Colin Ingram... don't know what is out there ... MEN..U HAVE IT WITH JUST 2 NAMES..AN ISLAND.OFF THE MOTERWAY.WAS SHUT DOWN ON A SUNDAY westhoughton.the plod shut it . near Wigan Lancashire... near Bolton Lancashire.probly 30 YEAR'S ago.... These were .....are men...all the families laid down money..and lost it
Was well known to be handy on the London pub and club scene, ray hill said once he was getting the better of roy shaw in sparring down the Beckett and was lined up to to box Lenny McLean, so yeah well capable,
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Good video that mate. I like how you don’t just listen to assumptions or gossip on a characters life experience, your own research is for sure a great way of determining what is. Big well done bro👊❤️✌️
Thankyou bro
I new Johnny Mack I spent every winter with him in Goa for years a top man gentleman I have many fond memories we talked for months each year yes there was a period of hard drugs and alcohol but during his last years he was free of both
RIP Johnny
Great comment mate rip JM
sorry got to correct you! i knew not i new 😅
oh people who spell a word wrong need to be corrected ffs get a life @@dannycampbell7294
I know his youngest son. I went to the that Johnny had just outside Luton a couple of times. I only met big John once though
@@smith2781 he was a nice fella liked a beer or two then he went sober for years found religion in latter life sadly he got seriously ill , I mis him we had a laugh about what side the water he was from , I actually new both him from Goa and biil from E16
Didn't Bob Hoskins describe John Bindon at his Old Bailey trial as a"cuddly bear" of a man, incapable of deliberately killing someone?
I used to bunk of at the ranley yacht club Putney bridge Fulham side,After it shut down,very eerie tiny mirrored alcoves upstairs proper small club ,we used it to have a puff and lose a few hours between lower and upper school, good days 🇬🇧
It was called the Ranelagh yacht club not the Ranley
Thanks buddy really enjoyed listening gangster folklore. Many legend's..really were hard men back in the day , wild day's. I wondered if today's hard men will be remembered in year's to come ..only time will tell .
No apostrophe 's' in plurals in English. It's 'DAYS' not 'DAY'S'.
Great vid, I love hearing stories about south & west london gangsters. So many east london stories which are great too, what about north london? The Nashes, Adams, Riley’s I bet there’s some good stuff there. Much respect brother!
I have my 7th dan in Goju Karate and also wrestled in College. I stand 6'1" and weigh 220 pounds. I would not want to face this man!!
Great video today and thanks for what you do 😊
Thank you mate
Excellent mate 🥊👊
Thanks Matt top man
Bad day for Ray - escapes from a set to he doesn't want any part of, lays a cable in his Y fronts, gets slapped around, and then gets taxed.
Hopefully things didn't get any worse for him...
Excellent vid. In the early 80s myself and a few friends who were early twenties then would go to the Water Rat pub on kings Road Chelsea on Saturdays.
Bindon would always be there he took a shine to us young lads and we would hang out
He was a fun nice guy.
What made my ears prick up here tho in this vid was your mention of Clemie, I met her with him one time she eas very young late teens, anyhow she came over and snogged me at the bar, I nearly died thinking omg Bindon will kill me! He just laughed and I lived 😂
Bindon got in a bit of trouble when he was working for Led Zeppelin in the US. There's a few different versions of what happened, some say it was Bindon, Peter Grant and John Bonham bashing the concert promoter's son over some disagreement. Other versions just say Bindon chinned an American stagehand who had insulted him. In any case, he got fired from Zeppelin's crew and had to leg it back to the UK to avoid being arrested.
The version I believe is that Plant's son took a star from a door as a souvenir and a member of the road crew gave him a clip around the ear (not knowing who he was) and Bindon floored him. Created a mini-war on the tour. Bindon was sent home and Grant never employed him again.
Great video ty John bindon had a short role in quadrophonia
I heard about john bindon. I don't know much about him wasn't he in. Get carter
Anyway good video stay safe 👍
Yes he was
@@ArchieFatcackie for about half a second!
Excellent work not heard of these fellas before.
GREAT video as always mate love bindon have just ordered his book from amazon. who are the frenches av not heard much about that family
John bindon wrote a book ?!
enjoyed that mate 💯💥👊👊
Thankyou mate
I was brought up in west London in the pubs etc and now live in south London near Peckham actually.. never heard of Johnny Mack but definitely know all about John bindon .. from old stories from the old boys etc
Interesting story. You should speak to Dave Smith, from Norbury. He was around a lot of those guys & knew them well.
Bren Power was my landlord when I lived in Chelsea during the 90’s. The flat was right opposite, Jackie Leaches, Gaslight Club, on the Kings Rd. There were always faces & wrong ‘un’s in that gaff.
Great video 👍
Any videos in the works on london hardman dr rackpull
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Really enjoyed this
If you can still walk away with your head held high after mixing it up with Bindon then youve got to be tough. I'd agree this wasn't a young strong version of bindon. Another good one bud 👍
Thankyou my friend
Great video thanks
Top vid as always mate 👍
Subbed time ago on my other channel so subbed on this channel thank you seriously iv read 📚 hundreds under lock n key
Respect 🙏 mate
Thankyou mate respect
Didn’t Oliver Reed have a couple of run ins with John Bindon..😮
Great story mate!
It wasn't until Matt Legg did a brief video on Bindon, l had any clue he was a villain on and off of the screen!
I remembered his face from Get Carter, Z Cars (l think?) etc.
How's Ray for backup with John!?! Left his bootprint on his mates head, while shooting through!
My uncle and grandad fought in Africa, Crete and New Guinea...
Shittin yself under fire, or in fear is a real thing.... as we saw here!!
The book sounds like a good read..
Cheers.
Thanks mate great post
we were young Mods in the late 70's and used to got to the Golden Lion in Fulham Broadway on a Sunday afternoons on our scooters for the early Aussie "Church" as they called it back then, this had comedians, bands etc. The bar staff were very scary, but took us under there wing as many were earning a few extra pennies on the door as doormen and were training at the local barracks for the SAS and just seemed to like us, which was not a normal thing back then as we seemed to be the scurge of every other youth cult lol. I remember JB in the pub a few times, always with a large group of geezers and some lovely sorts. The rumour about his "old chap" was well know even by us, and I can assure you, all the door staff gave him major respect, as it was from them we heard the stories and who he was. He even used to treat us to a smile and a thumbs up, maybe because he was in the movie quadrophenia where he had played a crime boss. Anyway, strange world to had grown up in. From a working class propective, these were the type of people that earned our respect for many reasons and not because they were very just hard men. Way out of our league, but so glad that I had the chance just to be in the same place !
I know a bit about mack im from Peckham SE15, went to Peckham manor school in the 70s
Good to hear some more stories mate
It was my famileys club the Yaht club where it happend it started when johns mate roy dennis chinned darke then darke pulled a knife on roy thats when john got involved they both got badley hurt pat sullivan and mickey smithers run the club at the time as the owners was in prison all the best with youre channel 👍
Thankyou mate great reply 👍
@@enquirer2.0 don't listen to all the bullshiters who say things about john he was a good man 👍
@@enquirer2.0 roy adkins got shot in the american bar in the leardsplain by is own friends they set him up then took over his buisness roy loved his hourse racing was always there with the milkman b Wright ozzer ariffe eamon ginger Dell d adams father in law harry hicks and a man nickname called globo roy was a good man also check out my mate norman jones he was married to c krays daughter Nancy her real dad was geoge ince who got nicked for the barn murders norman and his boys doing 33 years rec all the best 👍
Don't let ray hill know your talking about john bindon 😂
Quality content
Thankyou mate
John Bindon was one of the most interesting gangsters around because he was associated with showbiz and royalty. His trial stopped the TV show "Hazel" from being screen because it would prejudice the case. Never met the man and only going on people I trust but he wasn't an honourable bloke at all and hit people who just annoyed him. Like students. He was a good collector for the Richardson's - and they didn't employ idiots. Said he felt safe at the end of his life because he lost so much weight that nobody recognised him. Everyone walked away though.
There were so many interesting things about John Bindon. One was that he was close friends with David Bowie's wife Angie. They used to go jogging together. She writes about him in her autobiography. Must have been interesting them all singing Christmas carols together at the Bowie household.
He could hang pint glasses on his todger. I can hang my front door key on mine.
😂😂😂 made me laugh that
😂😂😂 gd yin m8 👍
🤣🤣🤣
I heard he had the name of that famous Welsh railway station tattooed on it
Rhyl
@@saraprva4172 I can too......Rhyl
Johnny Darke was an animal and a bully I didn't know anyone in South London who was sorry when he died
An old friend of mine was in the club during the fight, he said the place was covered in blood. John was wisked out of the country
on a private plane.
Nice one Ben
I've stopped listening to all these one sided versions, the one telling the tale is always great and the other is a tart. I'm from the east end of Glasgow and i know a lot of the players everyone does but i also know things that they don't tell others, I also used to work with an ex CID guy and he did his policing in the 80's 90's in the east end and the story's he can tell about the lies of these gangsters and hardmen, certain bits of books which they write he said he just laughs because they tell you one load of garbage when he knows the real story. I would just take everything with a pinch of salt. plus in this case we can't get John Bindons take on it can we.
All books will have a creative licence as will people on podcasts telling their stories , as will old bill as will people in pubs. On my documentaries they are all thoroughly researched from court records and press archives and from people in the know . But book readings are take it or leave it . you don't know he's lying but I don't know if he telling truth it was a fight in a flat allegedly. I've spoke to people who are respected and knew him who say he was a face so that will do me. CID are the most corrupt lying 🤥 firm going as I know to my cost.
He might have been speaking of his colleagues,
Sorry for the comment I sent you pal, it was out of order and on someone's channel who is a quality serious,humble man even worse of me! but mostly because you got as much rite to say whatever you believe with out a dickhead like me pulling you up and giving you a "producer" my bad! And it's wrong to say things like that online when it should be done in a way where its man to man not keyboard to keyboard! That's why I don't hide away behind an empty profile as I believe in showing your face if got something to say! So at the end of the day I'm sorry I should never give a negative comment to a negative comment and climb down to that level, really
Hope you can atleast respect my apology even if not accept! It wasn't that bad anyway but it was a divvy move and out of order/more than anything to Mr E on his channel. Take care. + sorry geezer sorry
E 2.0
Quite gripping, I might buy the book.
Binden got a visit from 'The Firm'...'The Establishment' regarding his relationship with that spoilt party animal Princess Margaret. That was the beginning of the end for Binden. They all used to Hang out in a place called The Gasworks in Fulham...No fanks.
Nice 👍 One Peace be With You
Heres one Oliver Reed was in a film with Bindon,they did not like each other ,in a field near the film studio they had a fight with Nosher Powell as ref it seems it went on for 15 minutes which is some time ,Ollie knocked out Bindon...............some time after Ollie was in a fulham club ,not knowing Bindon was there who pulled out a knife and wanted to kill Ollie ,they got Ollie out of there .............
I didn't realise they actually had a row
We went to William penn school together aged 14 , he mentioned me in the forward of his book landed on the moon he even visited me when l was on holiday in Perth hmp..😅 sadly missed
Subbed.
I heard bindon begged for his life and darke let him up and bindon steamed into him with a blade.
All’s fair in love and war…
From who?
@@santorini8423 there's another channel that covers crime that covered it before. I'd imagine if 50 people were present there would be 50 different versions of the story.
That is true but it was a move so he could bend down and get the chiv from his boot .
who are the french family never heard of them ??
He was a friend of certain female royalty,..
lol it was a scandal by itself but him wearing a shirt saying “ cocaine “ dropped her right in it apparently 😅😂
Ray hill talks about bindon a lot...i reckon bindon was a Pratt... regardless of the fact he was a dangerous man
He was a Prat but dangerous. Well pick one or the other.
Poor Ray, three quarters of the watchers of this video would've been him in this story.
Can't believe Ray slipped.
According to what ive read joe pyle had respect for bindon so he mustve had something about him
Ray hill says ollie reed beat bindon in a straightner
Now by all accounts ollie in his youth could have a fight- but i would think he had more sense than to tangle with really dangerous blokes??
What era was this?
This would of been mid 80s mate
RIP Charlie Richardson❤ one of the hardest man I know just like his brother eddy love them both 🙏🏽
These so called gangsters wouldn't of stood a chance against big Agnes from Scotland
I’ve never Hurd of Johnny Mack.?. And I’m sure I would have.?.
Checked with couple proper guys from that era from East said he legit
Lol hello rich my old mucka, you was there for me a few times when I had a war with the bermondsey mob lol that was vicious and a few other times cheers rich, hope your all good .
Sorry my friend.have U ever heard of Sean lannon.
No mate who is he?
@@enquirer2.0 a bare knuckle gent. Beat the Australian champ. The Irish champ..and look into a mate of his called Colin Ingram... don't know what is out there ... MEN..U HAVE IT WITH JUST 2 NAMES..AN ISLAND.OFF THE MOTERWAY.WAS SHUT DOWN ON A SUNDAY westhoughton.the plod shut it . near Wigan Lancashire... near Bolton Lancashire.probly 30 YEAR'S ago.... These were .....are men...all the families laid down money..and lost it
Unknown MEN.BUT SOLID TO THE CORE..EX DORMEN.. FROM THE 80S..4 KIN SOLIDS
them days are gone
French family that is supposedly who Jimmy Holmes started out with
Yes mate same
I suppose it’s no revelation as he was from Bermondsey. I might have been an article about him Tony Thompson.
@DanLn1 He has lead an interesting life it seems
@@enquirer2.0 the kent french family ,do you mean the medway town ones,?
great content brother.
Who's Jimmy Holmes? And French?
was johny mac married to a relative of eric sleeper?
Good story that. Not many people got the better of JB.
Was this binden hard or just lived off the stabbing?
Was well known to be handy on the London pub and club scene, ray hill said once he was getting the better of roy shaw in sparring down the Beckett and was lined up to to box Lenny McLean, so yeah well capable,
What ive read and documentaries very capable !
I’ve never known anyone that can have a scrap carrying knifes about
Is this Ray Hill who shit hilmself in fight or another Ray ?
Soon as i heard Bindon Ray and poop in pants. I definitely thought of ole Ray Hill 😂
Different Ray
@@enquirer2.0 👍
all these London areas are now black
No grammer.
FFS. I thought you'd make a comment. Ie hard men. What are you school teacher......it begins with F and ends with F.....was that ok
Bindon
Woman Beater
Died Of Aids
Cancer 💯per/cent
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complete bollocks
Look up john Longman, koed biden, shaw and several other names.
Enforcer for North London lot
What about John Inman? I heard he pulled a mean inside leg
Cheers Tony any info you can give me help my research send contact@enquirermedia.co.uk never heard of him but il look into
Do you mean Albert John longman,Charlie Richardson friend.
@@santorini8423 member of the Grace brothers firm 😂