Overlanding Alstrom Point - Can your AWD make it to Heaven on Earth?
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- Опубликовано: 17 сен 2024
- 4-19-2021: I've been wanting to visit Alstrom point for YEARS! But quite honestly, the RUclips video's out there aren't very informative. I've watched about 20 of them, and all I see is dash cam footage or a skip right to end the destination.
I've heard about the "slick rock section". Some people have mentioned it as hard, and some people don't even mention it at all. I think I may know why... so watch the video to find out.
There's also some other important information to know. Look at the thumbnail to this video and ask yourself.... "where the heck do I use the restroom?" There are no trees or bushes to hide behind and take a dump. I highly suggest you bring a privacy tent.
Alstrom point sits at 4600 feet and overlooks Lake Powell. The views are absolutely spectacular, but did you know that this lake is basically man made? The lake was created by the Glen Canyon Dam in 1966. It backed up 186 miles of the Colorado River, which filled up 96 canyons. This took 17 years to create!!! 1983 was the year that this lake topped off!!! Crazy right? This made nearly 2,000 miles of coastline. That's more than the west coast of the United States.
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It's great how the video really portrays the different capabilities of each vehicle. Definitely empowering for the awd community, but also reveals how much less work it is offroading with a 4x4.
In the case of this trail, flex goes along way! And that’s why I’d rate this trail as “easy” for 4wd but moderate for AWD. On the Rutted climb, the Passport was lacking traction because of the lack of flex. You know me, I’m all about keeping it real 😉
Your videos just keep getting better! Love the music!!
Thanks Bern! That song really reminded me of heaven, hehe
Back in the 80's MTV music video era, I did a video (knock'n on heaven door) on top of a Moab butte. Choppered up crew/talent/equipment and camp out in the open overnight. The production hired a guard to stay awake all night to make sure no one went 'sleep walking'.
I remember that Guns N Roses music video! I made sure not to have too much to drink and to also remember I only had 5 feet from the cliff 😃
@@JonDZ_Adventuring The song was written by Bob Dylan. Several groups did 'cover versions' including G'nR. However, the music video I did was a cover by an Aussie Metal Group...Called "Heaven". Here's the RUclips like to the video. Unfortunately, the visual quality sucks but you'll get the idea. ruclips.net/video/0sbWqMVwZmA/видео.html
@@checkeredflagfilms ah! Gotcha! I do remember slash ripping it on his electric guitar on top of a butte. Forgot what video that was
Nicely done vid! I liked seeing the juxtaposition amongst the wide variety of vehicles running the gate keeper section!
"Skeleton looking thing" LOL
Thanks so much for making these videos! I have been considering getting the 22 Nissan Pathfinder for my family and I, but I'd still like to be able to do some overlanding like you guys are doing and this is one of my top spots I want to go. I didn't know if a vehicle like that would make it. I really appreciate that you guys are showing what can be done with an AWD / "Intelligent 4WD," good tires and driver skill. Thank you and Happy Trails.
I'm definitely one of those that always airs down even on easy trails, not just for ride comfort and my truck, but also helps to keep the trails in better shape. Driving badly rutted and wash boarded roads really aren't that much fun to drive even in a highly built offroad rig lol.
I’ve had this place on my bucket list for a couple years . I have to go soon . Nice video
I hope the information in this video serves you well
Awesome video! Beautiful area...!
Nice Mando badge! Love seeing your Overlanding.
Thanks Shaun! I was nicknamed “Mando” on this trip.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring That's awesome, now rename the passport to Razor Crest, (as long as you're Honda doesn't recieve the same fate)
I've been lurking your channel for years. Unfortunately i live in florida and far away from any overlanding areas. One day ill get a Offroad vehicle to camp out further out of state and more road trips. I have a group of friends all committing to road-trips and overlanding (most are already ahead with their vehicles of choice). Keep up the great channel!
I love how you just go out there and DO IT!
Dang 1 min later. TGIF! Glad to see the totaled Honda still hitting the trails 😂
☺️ this was before it “rolled?” In Fins N Things 😇. You need to visit this place if you haven’t already, it’s incredible! I Plan to take the Wife back here on May 23-25
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I’ve been to the lake but never this lookout spot! Love places that give you perspective and remind you how small you are in the universe!
This is on my bucket list too. Views for days.
Yes, I highly recommend it! Fun excursions too!
Wow Jon what a fantastic camp site and a fun drive to it. Nice driving skills getting up the tough side of the gauntlet. Looks like you have a great group of companions to share all these experiences with. I hope to get out there someday to do the same kind of exploring.
Great video - one of my most favorite spots I've been to!
Thanks @gwapotaco! You’re trip out there really really sparked my interest and I’ve been wanting to go ever since! I really want to go back and hit up the Grand Bench and possible drive north up to the Grand Escalante.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring @JonDZ Adventuring Funny you mention that! We drove through Grand Escalante up to the town Escalante. Beautiful trail and would be zero issues for your crew with one or two steep climbs but not rutted. I did it in one shot but wish I stopped for camp along the way. You drive on top of the buttes, through riverbeds, in between towering rock formations. We were by ourselves but it would be a blast with a group.
Keep the videos coming!
(P.S. - now that I remember - there is one section that was VERY steep and was taxing even in 4LO - lmk if you need help planning)
Aww man those coordinates would be so helpful. Good thing the thumb nail for this video tells you exactly where this is
Just enter from the south east. Bring a kayak and rock climbing gear. Good luck
Great video, Jondy! 🍻
Thanks buddy! Grace wants me to take her here end of May. Let’s plan a trip! We can Kayak lake Powell, drive up to Alstrom point, and then I want to drive 65 miles up north to check out other parts. We will eventually end up in grand escanlante and Capitol reef. Sounds like an awesome time, I’m so excited
Incredible spot. On my list now.
It’s worth it. Spend a couple of days. I’m sad I was only here for 1 day
I may have missed it in the video, but how long is the drive from the trailhead in BW to Alstrom Point? I know the mileage is about 26, but curious how long it should reasonably take assuming the road conditions are the same when you went. Thank you for any info
I’ve been there twice. It really is amazing
LOL, I love your screen name 🤣! Yes, this is an amazing place!
I found a nice Yeti water bottle out there a year ago. Cool view.
Great stuff, BTW. Makes me want to explore that area again. I just got back from the Capitol reef area. very casual video forthcoming.
That’s another place I want to go back to. I never made a RUclips video about my trip there. I had just got my 2015 Subaru Forester XT back from having its CVT replaced, and when I was done with the trip I realized the transmission would most likely die again. Literally, the following day I traded it in for my 2019 Honda Passport. (I first tried to get into a Tacoma, but it was too small).
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I just posted a relatively quick edit from a short trip there on my channel I post all my off road stuff too if you are interested.
ruclips.net/video/BjzF5WqfCsk/видео.html
Nothing too fancy this trip. Just needed some dirt.
I know the kaiporowitz and aquarius plateaus pretty well. If you need some beta hit me up for your trip planning
DUDE I LOVE YOU!!!! I’ve been researching this trail for a while to see if I could safely take my wife and little kid here in a stock 2019 Outback 3.6. I’ve been trying to figure out whether I should get skid plate, AT tires, a lift - or even a new TRD Pro 4runner just for this trail. I’ll need to gain some off road skills - not for the sake of off roading but to visit places like this in a safe way with my family.
I tried to do a trail recon here last Sep during a road trip to Telluride, but my Subie was in dealer for repairs. So I took my Accord went only as far as the salt mud area you mentioned in this video.
Is Black Bear pass next??? And I learned about the poop tent from you in a different video. Thank you!
Haha! I LUV YOU TOO MAN! 🤣🤣🤣 hey, skid plates and tougher tires are always good first upgrades. I hate to bring up a recent incident that transpired over the weekend, but a couple from Arizona in a Forester blew 2 tires and were stranded in Death Valley. Unfortunately the Guy perished and his girlfriend is recovering in a hospital after being air rescued. Jeebus! Looks like they just had a stock Subaru. So... yeah man... sorry to be a buzz kill, but upgraded tires (with more sidewall) sound like a good idea. Skid plate to prevent an oil pan breach.
Super sad story
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I noticed the refrigerator. Can you describe it and are you running it on the Passport 12Vdc in the rear or do you have a separate battery for it?
Good question Sean! I bought the fridge from Costco for $260!!!! The Manufacturer is Massimo, It’s 40L. I plug it into my 288wh power station via 110 because my power station is kinda of an older design and doesn’t have a 12v outlet
I wanna try it lol she made it up to browns camp here in Oregon and it’s a 5 speed awd Honda Element without a lift but now my E is now lifted 3 inches all around she’s bad hahaha love ur channel brah cheeeeehoooo
Again that fully stock subie tho
3 inch lift sounds legit! There’s quite a few elements down here in California built like that.
Hey man I really wanted to see if you guys are open to having another AWD on your rooster. I have a similar built to yours. I have a 2016 Toyota Highlander XLE w/ 2inch lift & 265/65/17x9. I noticed you don't have a toyota highlander in your team. Best of luck!
I also see on the map that Smokey Mountain Overlook and its not that far from there. I am going to be in that neck of the woods in a couple of weeks. Thanks for this. Its just going to be me as well.
You’re very welcome. I need to go back here! This was part of a 5 day trip to White Pocket and Moab and I wish I could have spent more time in this area. Take care out there by yourself. Some areas around Alstrom point had a little cell phone signal (AT&T). Might be good for you to know for peace of mind since you’ll be solo traveling.
Hey Jon, GREAT video's as always.... How many miles on the Honda so far??? Passed 100k???
Thanks 🙏 pkaronis! Haha! Not quite! But more than halfway there. I have 61K on the odometer but because I had 7.6% taller tires for 30k+ and 8.4% taller tires for 25K the actual mileage is around 66K miles.
That's funny I took the same line as Sandra. I didn't try the other way because there was 4 of us and enough gear for a week trip 😬🤣
If I was solo with my wife I wouldn’t be trying to climb up deep ruts either 😃
Awesome video. Headed that way next month. Air down is optional but not required right? I do not have a air up system atm
I wouldn’t mind taking my R52 Pathfinder there after I get it done. With the lift and 32s I think it’ll have plenty of clearance.
Your 4WD Pathfinder wouldn’t even break a sweat on this trail! I hear if you go further in it may get harder
@@JonDZ_Adventuring I think it’d be ok. My biggest worry is the CVT but this trail doesn’t look like it would be a problem. The gate keeper looks to be the biggest challenge.
place looks amazing! ❤
It is.... such a beautiful place I had a spiritual moment while I watched the sunset... or maybe I was just really drunk 🤣
@@JonDZ_Adventuring lol
Wow. Where is that? My family might be going to Montana this summer in our *almost* stock 1999 Toyota Land Cruiser. It has gently larger tires and therefore has a 1/2 inch lift
Alstrom point. Your Landcruiser would have no issues.
@@JonDZ_Adventuring i mean, the rear locking diff only helps
@@JonDZ_Adventuring besides I think you put Alstrom Point on My Bucket list now.
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Yes please! 🙏
Thanks for the public lands message. All the time, every time. I remember doing Alstrom point pre-gram and I just picked it off the map at random, what a treat. I have an abiding memory of the trail being really easy, but that was in the cruiser, I didn't even use low range or slip a wheel, but again lots of wheel travel. I also remember a couple of guys on BMW bikes ending their trip because one of the guys crashed climbing the hill at the beginning of the video. I like having 4 wheels. We came in from the north when we did it. It IS salt, BTW. here is our trip in 2016 if you want to see if from the north ruclips.net/video/hsbV0UlWhE4/видео.html
That was a great video Patrick Rich! Liked and commented! When you made your video in 2016, I was exploring our public lands via gravel roads with the Wife driving my Subaru WRX. It had 6.5” of ground clearance. Crazy to think that in the world of “Instagram” 5 years was such a long time ago.
Are you using a Baofeng? If so you need to program the squelch
I have a 2wd drive dodge Dakota truck on 32” AT tires . Would it be a easy trial for me as well ?
I reckon it would. I can only speak for the 25 miles entering off highway 89. We didn’t go beyond that to other parts of the area. There’s 2 ways up the “gate keeper” and your truck would easily get up the path to the right.
Thanks a lot for the info ! Place looks amazing to camp at !
I did the Gatekeeper in my AWD Sienna mini van
Im so jealous man....wish i can be there.
that dude with the gx is a bit too much.. flashing lights? dude you're not on an expedition.
You messed up the date in the description unless you've left off #timemachine from your passport description
Ha! Thanks Man! I was trying to rush out this episode, good catch
@@JonDZ_Adventuring no worries. Keep up the good work. It's great seeing what you've done to your rig and how it's evolved
Are you rockin the Bridgestone Dueler AT's?
My Honda Passport have the Falken Wildpeak AT3W. I don't believe any vehicle here was running the Duelers
please lmk when you head back, I’ll drive up from FL
Do you think a standard outback could make this?
Yes, the standard models have a better CVT. Just take it slow. It’s totally doable by a stock Subaru.
Awesome! We are planning on going back to smokey mountain overlook, finding the coal seam, and making this spot. The step upclimb to the view point I got to record this time and the hollow was pretty easy with some dips that you just had to be aware of from the creak being washed out.
Thank you! I'm super excited to have found your video.
We made it out yesterday! We seen a rainbow there too!
There is a wash right of the main road heading back that way that is very steep and you need to stay to the left of. We scraped and on the way back put our bumper in the sand. Lucky no damage to the car besides a few scratches. The Gatekeeper really wasn't that bad at all on the right side. 😁 Now once you get to the Rocky area it is a little hard to determine the patch and we went a little of track but found a pink flag to lead us back. Thank you for your response. This was definitely a memory we will carry with us a lifetime!
We also hit the coal seam and seen the Devil's Nostrils steaming because it was so cold and windy that day. Overall an amazing trip!
Looking forward to more of your content.
@@brittanyhutchinson9367 that’s so awesome to hear! Sounds like the wind Gods we’re kind to you too, because it can get really really bad, but I’ve been fortunate to not have to deal with it. Alstrom point is such a thing of Beauty! Now you have to go back once Lake Powell fills back up 😃. There’s also a beach you can drive down to. The plan is to go back and beach camp.
@@brittanyhutchinson9367 ruclips.net/video/192vFSU-l_k/видео.html we had a lot of fun on this trip.
Are you ready to go back? I wanna go July 7-9. :)
Think a stock Trail Boss LT could make it up "the gate keeper"?
This shouldn’t be hard for 4WDs. You just have to be mindful of your diff pumpkin. Once you get up the little gate keeper and transition onto the slick rock, it’s easy to lose the trail, so a system for navigation will help.
Been here in my stock trail boss. No problems 👍
I've seen small sedans get up there, I'm assuming they were rentals.
I did it on my 4x4, on street tires, with a motorcycle strap to the back!! It's a very easy off-road trail
Could I get up here in f150 4x4 with goodyear duratracs?
It shouldn’t be a problem for you. The condition of the gate keeper was a bit worse when I returned here few months later, but we were able to find a good line to get up.
Please don't encourage people to do offroad trails in 2wd for a "challenge" it needlessly beats up the trail.
What tires on the forrester?
Yokohama G015's I believe
QuadraDrive doesn’t have lockers
rear LSD with center locker ; front open diff
How about Quadra Drive II? Because that’s what he has.
Sorry, it’s QuadraTrac II
@@JonDZ_Adventuring
Hey , not trying to be a smartass at all !!
I just heard “ triple locked “ and that got my attention because IMHO that’s the holy grail for off-roading (my dream used to be a triple locked FJ80) but it’s also very rare these days.
I had to go back and review all of Jeep’s different systems . Other than the Rubicons and the PowerWagon that’s it for a front and rear locker.
QuadraDrive 2 is similar to your Passport with electronic rear LSD
“ brake lock “ differential is what they use in their open front & rear diffs like on the QuadraTrac
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Really like what you’ve done to your Passport and really enjoy your videos !!
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