What Israeli Survivors Believe Now | NYT Opinion
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- Опубликовано: 29 окт 2023
- After Hamas attacked their country this month, many Israelis fled to hotels, where they sought some version of safety. There, they’ve been processing their trauma as they move from that harrowing morning into a new world. In the Opinion video above, filmed in the days after the attack, survivors reflect on what they lost, who they blame and what’s next - for them and for Israel.
Despite being at war, polling from the Israel Democracy Institute suggests that Israelis are more optimistic about the future of their country now than they’ve been at any other point this year. Still, for the residents of Kibbutz Kfar Aza, where more than 100 Israelis were killed, any optimism they had before the attack has been replaced by an uncertain future. Here, Israelis grapple with what can be recovered - and what is lost forever. That includes a fundamental loss of faith in a defense system that didn’t work. As one asked of her government, “Why didn’t you protect me?”
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Regular citizens are not guilty of anything, on either side... this has to stop!!!
These are probably 2 former idf soldiers all their citizens serve women included. I wish they werent survivors
Colonizers are not regular
@@stephaniewilliams6756 If we were all guilty of the crimes of our governments, heaven would be empty.
@@stephaniewilliams6756this thinking right here is precisely what convinces Israelis that there's no point in seeking peace or trying to keep the civilian causalities down; congratulations on keeping Netanyahu in power
@@stephaniewilliams6756 in israel not serving in the army for atleast 3 years is illegal unless you have a disability that prevents you from doing that.even if they don't want to fight the enemy, they don't have a choice.
Let these survivors grieve! Whether their views change, only time will tell. We whom were not affected, don't have the right to comment/ criticize on how the survivors feel. Just listen to them. That said, it would be nice to get the view points of other innocent Palestinians affected because of this war and long-term conflict/oppression. We forget about being human and what being human means when there is so much hurt, anger and frustration. NYT, please do more human pieces like this, but on both sides.
Well said!
So why did you comment ? Hypocritical! Also quite disturbing to see you would like to see viewpoints of Gazan's in such a time shows your bias. If it were a video about their grief & loss your comment might've been appropriate but since this a video about innocent civilians targeted purely bc they were that on a holiday ambushed barbarically & viciously by terroristic animals and you want to stick your point about the other side who paraded in the streets and gave out candies to children upon hearing of these travesties by people that overwhelmingly voted for this regime is quite disgusting !
@@edmonds.7147 So why did you comment? Hypocritical! Also quite disturbing to see you like to see ONLY view points from ONE SIDE in such a time shows YOUR bias. Especially when both sides are suffering regardless. THIS IS or could be a video about grief and loss as a hold regardless of creed/sides. The initial comment is quite appropriate because it builds in the sense of unity through empathy or sympathy, mutual understanding, and time. Your comment is quite inappropriate bc you are trying to make this video/comment about their grief & loss versus our grief & loss disregarding the innocent’s grief and loss on both sides. Your comment seems as if is only trying to bring divide and it is quite disgusting.
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So why did you comment? Hypocritical! Also quite disturbing to see you like to see ONLY view points from ONE SIDE in such a time shows YOUR bias. Especially when both sides are suffering regardless. THIS IS or could be a video about grief and loss as a hold regardless of creed/sides. The initial comment is quite appropriate because it builds in the sense of unity through empathy or sympathy, mutual understanding, and time. Your comment is quite inappropriate bc you are trying to make this video/comment about their grief & loss versus our grief & loss disregarding the innocent’s grief and loss on both sides. Your comment seems as if is only trying to bring divide and it is quite disgusting.
Yes listern to the proaganda lies
1400 died lol
When you laught at 7 million died for 70 years of Palestinains
Palestinas and arab are semite people
Israelis are aryan Europeans
When you are staying in people's homes then wonder why some of them are too angry they want to take it back by force.
Fact👍
The loss of any lives is tragic especially in the death of innocent people. My heart goes out for both the lost lives of the Jews and Palestinians.
Agreed. But we must remember who has declared this war.
Not equatable and just a hurtful comment to many of those that lost everything on 1 day.
@@edmonds.7147 I agree. The proportion of the Hamas attack was miniscule in comparison to that inflicted by Israel upon Palestinians since 1948.
@@dcrafton3988 yes, Israel has declared war on the palestinians multiple times, or is that not counted in your books? please read up about the last 20 years of Israeli politics on Palestine. All these people who were "sympathetic" to the palestinian plight (as the video shows), they were content for palestinians living like that while they lived a normal life?
@@edmonds.7147Ignorance is bliss. Israel have massacred Gaza por too long. 70+ years, all in God's name. The world is sick of Israeli genocide.
What happened on Oct 7 was a tragedy. But it must be said. How quickly these survivers 'lost empathy' for Palestinians, how quickly they can no longer 'trust' the other side, how quickly they no longer see the 'human being' in Palestinians, how quickly they now look at dying mothers and children in Gaza and now 'feel no empathy'. After ONE incident. Now multiply that by the THOUSANDS of incidents the Palestinians have witnessed in their lives. The open air prison of Gaza. The IDF massacre of 250+ Palestinians in the peaceful right to return protests, laughing as they recorded shooting kids, the arson attack by Israeli settlers that burnt an 18 month old baby to death and then the settlers celebrated his death and chanted 'ali is on a grill'. The apartheid state in the West Bank. The IDF killing of Palestinain journalist Shireen which they took the blame for 4 months later and tried to drop her coffin, the violent displacement of Palestinians in Sheikh jarrah, the uprooting of olive trees in Palestinian farm and the list goes on and on for 70 YEARS. And today 3400 children killed by the IDF in Gaza in 23 DAYS. After all this do you not think the Palestinians have lost empathy?? Would a child whose mother was shot and killed, a mother whose baby was burnt, a sister whose brother was killed, are they supposed to continue to have empathy? These survivors after living off the profits of the Israeli state who perpetuated the crimes against Palestinians have now lost empathy? How quickly they lose their humanity but the Palestinians must be peaceful they must stay quiet they cannot lose humanity? What is this double standard, what world are we living in?
THIS 💯
To think that the Palestinians are suffering for nothing is a true joke. They have been running suicide attacks and more for Years against the Jews even before they were in Gaza under their own elected govt. they choose to hate over peace. They choose to suffer the consequences.
i wish people would realize this.
"The IDF massacre of 250+ Palestinians in the peaceful right to return protests" They were being shot at by hamas but ok
"but the Palestinians must be peaceful they must stay quiet they cannot lose humanity? What is this double standard, what world are we living in?" Not double standard SURVIVAL they attaked israel is 48 and lost the war then they lost every war to date they commit terror attacks and Israelis grow colder and colder with each attack at a certain point you must realize that the tactics of allahu akbar BOOM don't work.
The New York Times has uploaded 2 videos that can be viewed as a juxtaposition. This one shows Isreali survivors in very comfortable houses, while the other video shows Palestinian children living in dirty tents having already developed a concept to fear for their lives.
These Israeli survivors claim they now have less ''empathy'' for an incident that happened to them 2 weeks ago, while Palestinians have gone through the madness for 75 years.
You would think they would learn the lesson by now but nope, still using violence against Israel.
@@MetalGear1 When a thief comes to take your house, make sure not to use violence and just give it away. I don't understand how you people sleep at night.
@@xord5293 you can use it if you want just don’t come crying afterwards.
@@MetalGear1 You just dismantled your own argument, my friend.
@@xord5293 glad to be of service friend.
So sad for what you went and are going through, now imagine the thousands of Palestinians who had endured this for many decades with the occupation and genocide 😢 Nobody wins here, but if some people had lost more, is the Palestinians who with this war are not “misplaced” in the comfort of a hotel, but under the rubble of once their homes.
well said.
Gaza isn't occupied since 2005... Maybe you should ask why their government hasn't built shelters for them before instigating war after war after war (and refuse to allow civilians into the terrorist's tunnels). Maybe you should ask why their government doesn't provide homes for displaced people.
And how is Israel committing genocide? Did NATO commit genocide in Afghanistan? Did the Allies commit genocide in Germany? Far far far more civilians died in those conflicts than did in the Israeli-Arab wars. What happened on October 7th was a genocide
its not.."hasn't" its "couldn't" and for that I will answer your question: Israel has put the siege on these people from 2006. The genocide did not start yesterday, it started in 1948. Israel has occupied them for the longest time. Hamas did not exist before yet this was everyday for Palestinians. @@HlaaluGuard
@@lecoconutdeadand really? They couldn't build shelters but they could build massive tunnels spanning the whole length of the region? Are you serious?
@@HlaaluGuard Never underestimate the power of desperation n'wah
So much sadness and trauma on both sides. The elites and governments have done this, none of them care for their people. Prayers for the innocent may peace prevail and seal the door where evil dwells. 🙏❤️
Agree there is much sadness and trauma on both sides, disagree with equating the two sets of leaders. The Israeli Government does care for its people. It is corrupt and self-interested just like other Western governments, but it ultimately wants to satisfy its people (and it has to try, since it's a liberal democracy). Hamas truly doesn't care for its people. In fact, it says outright that the highest goal of its people is to die for their cause and they love it when that happens. Don't try to equate the two sides.
"Go cleanse yourself" is such an accurate statement regarding Benjamin Netanyahu.
"... many Israelis fled to hotels." while tens of thousands of Palestinians are sleeping in tents without mattresses.
I guess they shouldn’t have attacked israel in the first place. Remember how they celebrated in the streets when innocent jews were tortured to death, how come they are now whining?????
FAFO, Gazans, FAFO.
The fact that Israeli people care for Israeli people unlike Palestininas and the Hamas goverment, is not Israel's fault. Palestin received billions of dollars every year and they chose to give it to their leaders- Hamas. Hope they learn better next time and choose life like Israel instead of hatred as they usually do.
It's not a contest....we can hold empathy for more than 1 group. Is this how low we have gotten? Sad and pathetic.
@@letaek I think his words should of been: "I am sorry son that I failed you and chose Hamas as my leader"
empathy in a position of 'power' requires action
I am an Arab muslim
Im sorry for your suffering
I hope someday we live together peacefully
we need palestine will be free then we live together peacefully
@@mouadbel3974 Palestine is not a country -- it is propaganda.
Thank you Hassan for your kind words.🙏❤ I'm an Israeli leftist, and I've had feelings of guilt and shame because of the innocent Palestinians, including woman and children who died in our bombardments. I also cried when I saw a 9-year-old Palestinian boy whose father died, crying: "I wish it was me instead of you!". It's frightening and awful what the Palestinians in Gaza are going through. And what happens to children at war is really hard to bear, too hard for me to watch.
Since October 7th I've been feeling like we're all being manipulated by Iran's evil master plan to turn us all against one another, and make us fight harder than ever before. Whether it's on this war cycle, or the next one...
Iran's plans will lead to a lot of destruction in Gaza, Israel and Lebanon. Their ultimate goal is that the Iranian regime will be the last one standing. I hope they fail in turning this conflict into a religious war with the Jews and the west.
Maybe the Americans will help us, cause they are still trying to bring a new peace deal with Saudi Arabia, with the Palestinians being part of the deal.
Although it's hard to be optimistic right now, with Netanyahu and the extreme right wing elements in his government.
Many years ago (I'm 50 now), leftists were the majority and we did our best to push forward a peaceful solution. But because the "moderates" on both sides failed to compromise on a peace deal, the right wingers and religious nationalists have become the majority and came into power. That has brought us to where we are today. Hope we all stay safe and live to see more peaceful times.🙏
@@dganit8807
I'm aware of all of this
peace will come one day..
Much love
@@hassanhassan-ed2lq Much love to you to💗🙏
"When we understand it is not just terrorists, it hurts s much more"
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
I hope that this doesn't continue to perpetuate the hate. 🙏 Hard to believe that it won't though.
@@anthonydavid5121 yea coz killing 3400 palestinian children was not a decision formed from hate right?
I pray that God watches over everyone. No God, whichever religion you belong to, wants this pain and terror. This is MAN-made. Man ego
If there is a God, praying to said God is certainly not doing any good nor has it ever. And ironically, is part of the problem with this whole scenario.
Compare the environments of this video and the Gaza children video. Quite interesting.
Hamas cares?
Yes, if only Hamas leaders were millionaires who lived outside of Gaza in mansions and could actually help the Gaza people with their enormous wealth that they gathered by taking away the humanitarian support from all around the world... ho wait.
now do a video with Palestinian survivors
previous video was about the war through the yes of Gazan Children
Death of innocent people on both side is not good but i have a question and a request for people of israel why their is illegal settlement of jews in west bank. If they want to live peacefully around the world why don't they remove their illegal settlement from west bank i know u response to that is u have remove jews from gaza in 2005 but u have restricted them in sea and in airways. Please people around the world doesn't like what u are doing in west bank. Atleast in good gesture handover the sovereignty of west bank to plo with which you have oslo accord.
Let them grieve. Asking this question now is not fair. The hurt and betrayal is real. It will take time to reconcile.
Yeah I kind of think it was inappropriate to ask of them at this juncture. Perhaps if they had filmed this and then asked a few more times over a longer period of time and then released them all together. It's kind of cruel to have them be so publicly judged at their worst. And I'm pro=Palestine, but really I'm pro-civilian and this video is mean in my opinion.
Love and empathy for everyone in the video. Its absolutely heartbreaking. There is such nuance in their conflicting desires for safety above all against the moral/human way to view those on the ither side of the wall. They are brave for wanting to share it.
Its such a strong contrast to their governments stance of being singlemindedly for not only safety but also vengeance regardless of the cost in innocent lives.
There are no doubt hundreds of thousands of people in Gaza who could tell very similar stories. Hopefully both groups will be able to throw out their awful governments who feed on these conflicts and replace them with ones that work for peace.
Charming. Except the only way the Pstines have been getting out is because IDF has been risking its soldiers lives to protect civilians as it escorts them out of danger zones because Hamas was blocking its subjects from leaving, using them as human shields, and shooting defectors on sight. If it were only up to Hamas, you'd never hear their stories because they don't believe in civil rights of any kind, least of all free speech. So good luck with that narrative
Instead of hosting them in a hotel, invite them to live in Gaza for a week to gain a firsthand understanding of the situation. So you can ask their oppinion!!
She literally said in the video that they regularly go into Gaza to help out before this happened.
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.@@dooley8746
These survivors are severely traumatized and grief stricken. Leave them alone
No one is obligated to do an interview. They agreed. They want their story known.
womp womp
Both sides are suffering.... What a joke.... Look at them taking refuge in a hotel .. with their loved ones... And on the other side kids are crying under and over the rubble... Looking for their maa or father ... And taking shelter outside hospital considering it to be a safe place and then attacked by the most uncivilised army of the world...
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
This is a warning to us. Their before sounds like our now: caught up in silly politics and complacent, not realizing what truly matters. I hope the world can learn from the lessons they have learned in such a heartbreaking way.
I really believe more videos like this will make a big difference in the world. Peace and love 🙏🏼❤️
Nearly all Palestinians are true unarmed civilians and 60% of them are children.
But TBH, what is an "Israeli civilian" exactly? Explain to me. Besides children and a handful of exempted people, are they really civilians (like the Palestinians) if they've been all mandated to serve at least 2 years in the occupied territories and actively committed violence and oppression on real civilians including children, disabled ppl and the elderly?
Also, I notice they never mention anywhere that those "lovely" kibbutz like Ashkelon that were attacked on Oct 7 were actually all still Palestinian towns quite recently. And a LOT of today's population in Gaza are impoverished refugee families that were forced out of their homes to build these Israeli towns.
Many have also families in the Westbank who are tortured and killed by armed settlers and soldiers everyday.
When we want to be accurate and honest in our reasoning approach, context is key.
The vast majority of the Israeli military serve at desk jobs having to do with building Israeli infrastructure. They are certainly not mandated to serve in Palestine, most work in the city they live in already. Very very few have ever served in a combat role or ever seen Palestine.
Most of the Negev was uninhabited prior to the partition. Just scanning a list of the attacked kibbutz, most aren't former towns at all, they are actually brand new towns or brand new suburbs of towns(as is the case of the Ashkelon kibbutz) and are built on previously undeveloped desert land. There are Israelis and Gazans that are blood relatives, and these kibbutz were literally built so that the Israeli power grid would eventually approach Gaza's border so that Gaza could one day tap in. Their nearby existence cropping up is actually how Gaza was able to finally be wired for electricity, as Palestinian leaders had never attempted to provide electricity to the strip ever before. Instead it was Israel who took compassion on them and gave Gazans permission to tap into the Israeli power grid from a nearby kibbutz that didn't even exist before the partition. For that kindness Israel is now accused of being in total control of Gaza's power supply. It's kind of crazy to take such an expensive, deliberate labor of love and turn it against the Israelis.
@@dooley8746 Your comment is a pure lie. But it sounded so dreamy that I almost shed a tear reading it.
@@AndrewMalone_ I grew up in Gaza, it is absolutely the truth. Business minded relatives of Gazan citizens that lived in Israel handled most of it privately, without help from the government at first. Negotiating beforehand with the Bedouins on where they could build new kibbutz without being an imposition on the Bedouins, and also with the promise that Bedouins would also get to tap into the electricity once the developments were built, a literal line of kibbutz were built one by one until finally the line went far enough south towards Gaza and Bedouin territory to connect them. Once the original agreement was made with the Bedouins, land was purchased and one kibbutz at a time was built, one kibbutz would then finance the next kibbutz to be built. It was only once the line of kibbutz finally reached close enough that permission from Israel to connect Gaza to the grid was asked for. It was literally a labor of love, as blood ties were the inspiration for the plan. It was much easier to ask for help with electricity for Gazans this way than back when Gaza was far away from the Israeli population mass.
their feelings are justified and also Palestinians' feelings are justified. I feel for that lady who had her optimism and morals shaken, I hope she doesn't change that, kindness is strength in the face of so much cruelty... ❤
Those that stay near the south are leftists, is only a matter of time before they either become far right or migrate elsewhere. The Israel PM is also an accomplice in funding hamas in order to disrupt the PLO and look what happened now. He needs to take responsibility and step down.
Can't see this anymore. Crying for a month. I didn't know how deep can be the sorrow. And mostly, as a peace fighter, loose the faith in peace.
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
Thank you NYT for sharing the survivors’ stories. In a situation that is ever evolving and we’re losing sight of moral clarity, I’m glad the innocents who were affected can have their voices heard. Hopefully peace and justice can be achieved for those who have been harmed on both sides of this conflict.
As sane and empathetic as what you just said is, it’s amazing how many people out there have problems with that kind of thinking. The sectarian, tribalistic, whataboutisms that keep dividing people are running rampant these days. It’s as though you can’t even wish for peace. Because by doing so, you are seemingly not taking a side that they want you to. It’s crazy. And it’s that kind of mindset that will keep that region in conflict.
Remind me, which of 2 muslim avio-carriers are currently in Mediterranean? On peoples money?
Being a civilian and having something absolutely horrible happen to you and wanting sympathy but still not feeling empathy for other civilians having absolutely horrible things happen to them… how???
They elected those Hamas terrorists and a vast majority of them still support Hamas. Actions have consequences
After experiencing such horrific trauma the natural human instinct is fear! It’s really hard to have empathy for others when you’ve seen your family and friends horrifically murdered because your brain is completely focused on self-preservation! This cycle of violence has been going on for decades 😢, hopefully one that it will end!
It takes some time to process the trauma, they’re humans
Trauma. She lost her father.
She's obviously still processing these traumatic barbaric events. Please have compassion...
They are not living in tents. Have food, electricity, etc unlike the civilians in Palestine
Weakness is not a virtue … that’s how their life has been since the time Gaza was under Egyptian authority… nothing new . But whaddya know JEW hatred is quite popular so why not blame it on the Jews.
Yes, if only Hamas leaders were millionaires who lived outside of Gaza in mansions and could actually help the Gaza people with their enormous wealth that they gathered by taking away the humanitarian support from all around the world... ho wait.
I wonder why NYT did not make such interviews with every one surviving israeli attacks among Palestinians. Thousands and thousands of innocent palestinians where suffereing this same stories but no one bothered to interview them and convey their suffering to the world. The horrible thing in human beings is that people are not equal and their sufferings are thereby not equally worth.
They have done. It's on the channel.
"Displaced, these suvivors are now living at this hostel". Oh the irony...
The fact that Israeli people care for Israeli people unlike Palestininas and the Hamas goverment, is not Israel's fault. Palestin received billions of dollars every year and they chose to give it to their leaders- Hamas. Hope they learn better next time and choose life like Israel instead of hatred as they usually do.
What Irony? Israel is taking care for its citizens, They will get new home, Money for all the working days they lost, Money for their belongings, free sociological treatment and etc...
What an awful hostel. I feel so sad for them
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
they are blaming Palestinian citizens ? really? how low and uneducated a person can be who doesnt even acknowledge the fact that your own government was responsible for these attacks. there is actual evidence that they funded and approved of hamas !
The citizens of Gaza who worked in Isreal provided Hamas with details and maps
Hamas promotes Palestinian nationalism in an Islamic context; it has pursued a policy of jihad (armed struggle) against Israel. It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades. Since the mid-1990s, Hamas has gained widespread popularity within Palestinian society for its anti-Israeli stance. The group's attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets and indiscriminate rocket . Qatar is giving Hamas money to continue it's terror. In the 21st century, Qatar emerged as a middle power in the Arab world through its resource-wealth, as well as its globally expanding media group, Al Jazeera Media Network, and reportedly supporting several rebel groups financially
@@GB-es4qz bro you really think that isreal actually provides jobs to gaza civilians? 😭 you don't even have a proof and simply talking on rumors, this is the same genocide happening that happened in hitler's time but people are doing what now? Victimizing the oppresser, oh isreal killed more people than the 9/11 incident but still who is the innocent one? Oh isreal! How illiterate a person has to be who can't even differentiate between an oppressive and a victim
To be fair can you take interview from every Palestinian who lost their beloved ones during genocide?
01:09 everyone who wonders how the attackers that day could be so cruel, you must only listen to this lady. She speaks for both sides even if she doesn't know it. When your friends and family get murdered, you feel no empathy for the murderers, no matter their reasons.
Thank you! I'm glad to see the conflict from the humane side of things.
Both sides are hurt! Thats the truth.
NOW INTERVIEW PALESTINIANS
There are tons of videos about Palestinians.
the people in israel are being brainwashed into thinking that Israel came from nowhere and that the people living in Palestine were not there when they colonized,they feel sad for losing a few members of family , Palestinians are used to that They never thought of how the oppressed people that they. took their everything from feels , i still don't get why they came to live in occupied Palestine when they have identities from all around the world , Palestinians don't have. any other identities accept a Palestinian, Israelis should live up to the reality that what. they are enjoying is gained by depriving and shedding Palestinians' blood
Israel is the ancestral homeland of jews don't be a nazi
its not a war WITH gaza its a war ON gaza
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
If those who genocided native americans had a video about a time the native americans attacked them, with the interview happening on the ruins of someone elses home who was slaughtered or displaced. Murder is wrong, and I hope peace finds its way to this land. There are those older than the state of Israel, who remind us of the atrocities that got us to today, one after another, so we remember this didn't happen in a vacuum. I hope all those still alive manage to find a place of safety without taking it from someone else.
There are no winners in warring.
00:47 and 1:06 -- these people were attacked by t*rrorists but have lost empathy for civilians? This is actually a perfect representation of how the tragic events of October 7th are being used to justify the deaths of innocent people in Gaza. Would've been interesting to see the perspective of the many survivors whose empathy has grown after this situation..survivors whose families are now trapped in Gaza and being subject to the endless bombardment.
I don't think they selectively found survivors who lost empathy. It's a small sample size, but I think this was just the consensus among the people who were willing to sit and talk with the journalists.
The people in this video are grieving and anger is a part of that grief. It can be pretty hard to feel empathy when feeling that kind of anger. However, none of them said that they feel like the civilians in Gaza deserve what is happening to them nor are they justifying the violence in Gaza.
Contrary to the NYT propagandistic purposes this video shows that average Israeli’s who were perfectly content and complicit with the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians before Oct 7th, possess no ability to self reflect on the actions of their government that led to the violence. It shows Hamas’ violence however unfortunate and condemnable was inevitable given the direction of both the government and people of Israel.
Who is using the tragic events? They are? You are blaming them for lack of empathy but you are 100% projecting. Listen to them. They are depleted. They don’t trust the government and they don’t trust there could be a path for peace. These are the people who went through this traumatic ordeal. Can that be acknowledged first without interjecting a “what about?” You don’t sound like you have too much empathy yourself if you are watching a video of people who lost all they had in a few hours and expect them to overcome their grief and switch into freedom fighters mode. That the Israeli government is too heavy handed in Gaza and that the Palestinian people do not deserve to be killed in great numbers for this attack or that they deserve political agency and to live free--all that I agree with. But your own anger and resentment should not be aimed at these people.
Exactly.
@@talihershkovitz689 Are you a Zionist? Do Arabs in Israel deserve the same rights as Jews?
It doesn’t sound like you’re too sympathetic to the systematic extermination of Palestinians over decades while their land has been stolen and they’ve been forced into the concentration camps of the West Bank and Gaza - denied their basic human rights to access food, water, electricity and medicine.
i can't imagine what they are going through, it also shows how this thing will never end, this video really shows the resentment this even caused which is completely understandable, but the exact same thing is going on on the other side, generalizing a group of people because of the actions of a few. No innocent people should be punished because of the actions of Hamas and the Israeli government
except its been happening to the palestinians for much much much longer and bigger numbers
@@HassanKayali EXACTLY. Palestinians barely have a voice, there's thousand's of families going through what these people are experiencing, if anything this should've made them a little more compassionate towards the palestinians.
lmaoo
Almost entire world knows... Who is the occupier and who is occupied... who is the oppressor and who is oppressed...
The world know what Islamic barbarism is capble of. If you don't open your eyes, you'll be next
the arab muslims are the true invaders and occupiers of the land of israel. We, the jewish people are the indigenous people to the land of israel.
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
I'm more concerned that the apartheid regime against innocent Palestinian people has led to the bombing and starvation of tens of thousands of innocent Palestinian women and children.since the Brits chose Palestinian land to put the Jews there's never been peace.
The most honest reporting on Israel I have ever seen from NYT. Wow..
What makes you believe previous NYT Israel topics have been dishonest?
@@ArrowOfTruth01I can think of a few headlines and narratives.
NYT reported within 40min of the hospital explosion that it was an Israeli air strike, effectively trusting Hamas, even putting a picture of another decimated building indicating that that was all that was left of the building. That was proven to be utterly false. No hospital was hit, but an adjunct parking lot. It wasn’t an Israeli air strike. And recent reports indicates that dozens and not hundreds of people were killed.
That is one of many examples.
@@ArrowOfTruth01they are mostly anti Israel and even when evidence came to light that IDF never bombed the gaza hospital they doubled down and said IDF did. They are extremely pro Palestine and lenient on Hamas
@@ArrowOfTruth01 oh, idk.. maybe more than a dozen titles they've had to retract or rewrite within hours because inherent bias led to grave reporting inaccuracies
The number of Gazan civilians that perished in this war is already way over Ukrainian civilians in their war.
According to Hamas?
@@jieli4589According to the Palestinian Authority (not Hamas), the UN, and other international agencies you Islamaphobic pos.
According to your mother, she told me.
The biggest threat to Israel is the heartlessness of their response.
You're wrong! And your definition of a civilian is skewed, collaborators are not civilians, Hamas is not an army, it is a terror organization, supporting them makes you also a terrorist, not a civilian
Every single Palestinian had and has been going through what these people recently faced and what their ancestors faced at the time of Hitler
They're paying the price for the war created by some cowards
Ok , they’re so lucky to have a calm and nice interview and speak , while in the other side in the largest open air prison under the endless airstrike and they even can’t grieve their lost families
i acknowledge their trauma, but they are literally in a hotel, with food, supplies and also internet connection. I thought that they'd recognize the pain of both sides but instead they are happy to see the other party suffer? I do hope their views change with time. No one should have to go through this. No one
They just lost their families and friends, how dare you! Shame!
The border to Israel was open before Oct 7, a lot of them work(ed) in Israel and went in and out daily, it was not and still not open to Egypt, that "prison" is Hamas doing, they don't want their human shields to leave.
Isreal is in this situation from day one. If you are searching for peace, you shouldn't be living there.
oh so your solution is kick the 8 million jews in israel out instead of just dealing with the terrorists and youre right this is the situation from day 1 which is why the palestinians deserve everything coming to them and much more
Beautiful vid, nyt
make videos about gaza
crocodile tears and hypocritical media
Israel did this 70 years and nothing us said and when palestine strike back the world is shocked and help israel what a double standart just think about Ukraine and what the world did their
Heartbreaking of course. Traumatized victims processing their emotions + experiences…
Now do the same number of victims, mid-trauma. Thirsty momentary survivors pulling their kids, their parents + their neighbors out from under the rubble. Or maybe someone seeking refuge at a school, clinic, church or hospital (in the dark)…
Ask them the same questions 🤨
You can't even let Israel grieve without trying to make it about Palestine? Have you no heart?
@@sia9907 You can't let Palestine grieve for their dead loved ones being pulled out from under the rubble? Have you no decency?
@@RobinHerzigthis video is about the Israeli not the palestinian, you are at the wrong adress, if you want to cry about the palestinian go on another video!
These Israelis that were killed used to volunteer to help palestinian, and what is their reward for that? They were killed and tortured, the survivors traumatized! So if you dont care about them go look for palestinian video!
@@sia9907have you no heart? Think about who is hurting more? The people taking the land that is another’s or the others? 1,000 vs 10,000 people. Fact check yourself
@@vlogbym1 You can't quantity human suffering like that. It's not maths, and it's not a competition. My point remains: let this be about Israel too. Allow Jews to grieve without victim blaming or trying to turn the focus elsewhere. The approach you take is narcissistic and cruel, and trying to turn it back on me like you have is also something a narcissist would do. It's horrible. Stop. Get a moral compass.
I try to feel bad for Israel’s too but I can’t Unsee them being racist and mocking Palestine on Tiktok but still rip
And this is how people on the other side loose empathy for you...
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I feel terrible for them. Did u ask them the same question u ask every Palestinian. Do u condemn Israeli massacre in Gaza? A Palestinian dies and you ask her daughter the next question in interview "Do you condemn Hamas?". Israeli survivors get to live in a hotel. Palestinian survivors have started to used sea water to drink. There is surely a difference.
My condolences to these people for their loss. Their shock, hurt and grief is deep. From this I wonder if in time they can begin to understand the Palestinian experience, not Hamas, but the day to day life where IDF or police control one's every movement, where one can be thrown out of a home that has been in their family for generations at a moments notice, and where they are under the constant threat of being killed. In 2023 up to October on average 1 Palestinian was killed every day including more than 1 Palestinian child killed every week. Since 2008 over 6,000 Palestinians have been killed before this current war. While these numbers are not the result of a major attack it leaves Palestinians with the knowledge that they have no security at anytime and I wonder how many Israeli citizen's are aware of the price paid so they could feel secure up to now.
Then they shouldn't have started the wars.
This is so sad in so many ways! Why do they have to go through this!
I am shocked.
I can't believe it.
Israelis experiencing a few weeks of what palestinians have been experiencing for decades, and people have the audacity to understand them ????
If is is understanable that they do not want to feel empathy for palestinians or that they see them now as bad people after the 7.oct,
can you understand groups like Hamas now ?? Will you show them now understanding ??
Because yes, what these people in the video are describing is the reality of palestinians since 1948.
Hamas is the mafia-like terrorist group that had led Gaza down the road of death and destruction, because they are EVIL
Statistics speak for themselves. If there was really a genocide the Palestinian population wouldn't have been growing so rapidly throught the recent 75 years. Keep your terror justification away from this video.
Yes, I can have understanding and empathy for them. As they work through their pain and try to reconcile it with morality.
I can understand that millions of Palestinians have had similar thoughts - knowing that they have neighbors across the wall, all of whom are human and most are good people, yet with a government full of hate and violence.
What I don't understand is people here in the USA who empathize with only people on the Israeli side. I hope the nytimes does a similar video from Gaza and the West Bank and links them to show how there are full-fledged humans with complex emotions on both sides of the occupation.
I realy wonder why this video doesn't get any views
These people are in hotels with beds and ac and clean water. Look at the children of Gaza look at where they’re having to grieve and process and LIVE now.
My beautiful Israeli brothers and sisters who have lost their hope... I don't blame you... What really gets to me is when I hear how many of those murdered/kidnapped were peace activists. After their death or abduction did any humanitarian organization say anything about them?! Did anyone grieve and say "We're sorry for the loss of such good pure souls who's life mission was to save Palestinian children, driving them to Medical treatments every week"... I personally didn't hear even one person say this... What ungrateful bu****it.... I only know about this kind of information from surviving friends... and thank you New York Times for documenting it here so the world can hear. So for those who ask: "What about Palestine?" ... I'm sorry to tell you that due to recent unfortunate events, some of the good souls who were actually physically fighting for them, won't be helping anymore....
Boo hoo those poor activists. Activism is useless. While it’s great that the sought to help. It’s like giving a homeless person a dollar when what they need is systemic support. Unfortunately it’s inevitable that blood must be spilled for change to be made and voices to be heard
Are you saying you expect Gazans to apologize before the IDF kills them?
Enough of the kvetching. Any American Jew who served in the IDF, and not the U.S. military, and any Israeli-American (who are these people? Economic migrants who abandoned Zionism for the convenience of a U.S. passport?) should not be fleecing Americans for any more financial assistance, nor trying to morally blackmail Americans
@@wfjhDUI You either have an incredibly vivid imagination, or have never been to the region if you actually thought that is what I meant...
@@elishevak.6795 You didn't make clear who it is you expect to be saying sorry but the fact that you're commenting under a video of Israelis talking about Gazans and your use of the word "ungrateful" strongly suggest it's Gazans who you were talking about.
What? Factual report?. Keep up the good work
Free free Israel 🇮🇱
Free from what? From stupidity? From greed? From their vile desire to eradicate the palestinian?
Free free Palestine 🇵🇸 that was the slogan stop stealing everything
What a relief not to have had parents or grandparents who were raised in a shtetl
FREE PALESTINE, from Boston
Palestine cannot be freed by murder.
OK, try to get Hamas out of power and maybe Palestine can be free
the second part of your sentence explains the first. its easy to take a side on a conflict that will never affect you.
@@larrygerry985 Israel helped create and fund Hamas. If Hamas were gone tomorrow Israel would need to fund and create a new eternal enemy to legitimize its terrorism, ethnic cleansing and theft of Palestinian land. You’re clueless.
@@larrygerry985Hamas was created by Netanyahu against PLO. The same orphan children of Gaza makes Hamas, get rid of Hamas, the next coming orphans that you have creating now will take the place of the old Hamas by another name. What will you do then?
So therapy isn’t working? 🧐
Yeah, imagine the same things that Palestinians suffered all these years.. why does nobody ask them that?
Who will hamas will come after next?
I think there has been wrongs on both sides and two wrongs dont make it right.
Are you serious?
This is an occupation, an apartheid regime, killing, destroying and taking over homes, injuring people, imprisoning children every day and you are putting both sides equally?
Do they still believe SIONISM is a good Ideology ? ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
free palestine
Hey Chump what about Palestinians eh??
Does anyone think the situation in that area would be the same if Gaza and Israel were ruled by a female heads of state?
Why don't you talk about palestinians loosing their lives in the Israeli bar,baric attacks????
Free #freepalestine
People from europe, iraq, morroco forcefully migrated to palestine, displaced natives. placed them in ghettos, keep pushing and occupying more land. Mind you jews are 10 percent pre 1900( native , arabic speaking jews)
3000 years ago our religion people ruled this place so get out and we will take this land, is no legal argument.
Native population is labled as terrorists.
This is worse than what british did in India period, they at least did not steal land.
NYT how much they pay for this
Imagine you got heart one day then you are in trauma but ,70 years who are being murderd and territories by you.. how they feel?? If you follow Musa A then you must realised that Hamas is the product of your injustice and oppression.. every life matters both your and Palestine too
What a stupid based comment
So after this video you can imagine that this was the feeling of millions of palestinians who were displaced, who lost their beloved ones. Millions of palestinians who are under the siege for 17 years. Only the end of occupation and apartheid can stop what is happening there for 75 years.
So when you are going to complain about slow wifi or traffic.....think about these people and the palestinians in camps now
It is their future country not a camp..shame on you🇮🇱💙🇮🇱💙
In light of certain admissions by the Israeli Defense Force and the possible participation of US passport holders in war crimes against innocent civilians in Gaza, will the Institute for Justice be directing any of its efforts towards investigating and prosecuting these individuals. This would seem like an excellent opportunity to demonstrate a commitment to justice, hold individuals accountable, and contribute to the pursuit of peace in the region.
OMG, what are you on about. Israel is not perpetrating war crimes. Please do some actual research and stop credulously accepting every piece of propaganda that Hamas puts out. Unbelievable how intelligent people have let themselves be gulled by terrorists.
Am I suppose to feel sorry for these people? They lived in luxury and ignorance while the people of Gaza and the West Bank lived in misery and horror for decades because of who they voted for. These people are not victims.
Compassion for all the innocent on both sides is where true godliness is found. Prayers to those suffering, traumatised and in pain. Prayers to the bereaved, Prayers to those displaced, the ones who lost their homes, their jobs, their lives. Prayers for the ones who lost their security their peace and their will, Prayers for the ones who were betrayed by their leaders who should care for their people more than they care for power money and ego. Prayers for all who have lost their souls may peace be with you. May Angels be by your side, supporting you at this time may their lead you gently back into Gods pure embrace. 🙏 Peace
Definition:
"Victim: a person harmed, injured, or killed as a result of a crime, accident, or other event or action."
@@JacobIX99 yes these colonizers are not victims
@@tobehonest7541 You are using the exact same tribalistic logic you claim to oppose. Saying "every Israeli is a colonizer" is no better than saying "every Palestinian is a terrorist". Never let yourself forget that beyond the politics and the violence there are normal people who just want to live. Do not lose your humanity!
@@noammanakermorag9538 the video is about settlers who were attacked. Not "every" Israeli. Pay attention.
Okay, now let's wait to hear from the Palestinian side, interviewed from the ruins of Gaza, with dirt and blood seen everywhere, no electricity and water, and certainly, interviewed not inside the comforts of a hotel room.
Yeah, let's hear what they have to say about the brutal occupation that has been happening for the past 75 years.
Stop trying to justify terrorism
I just talked to them, they said something about how they had a blast slaughtering women and children and lighting babies on fire. They also said whats the big deal, its just a bunch of jews.
Very sorry for their loss, it is horrible. I hope they will later have the time to reflect and understand why this happened. And how Israeli decades long brutality brewed this massacre. And how this terrible night is the daily life of millions of Palestinians who had no choice but turn into bitter revenge.
" I hope they will later have the time to reflect and understand why this happened" Say that to the palestinians cause they live in rubble now because their grandparents either walked away from peace negotiations or attacked Israel and lost the war.
@@Sam_Guevenneunder those peace negotiations, palestinians expelled during the nakbha could never return and settlements increased
It is so tragic that Israeli survivors cannot be allowed to grieve in a 4 minute video, without people trying to shift the topic and make this about Palestinians. The "whataboutisms" are foolish and tragic and show the lack of empathy people have for Israelis and Jews overall. NYT has been reporting devotedly about Gaza and the Palestinians incessantly. There are countless videos/articles about Gaza. I empathize with the innocent civilians in Gaza caught in this tragic nightmare, however, why can't Israeli SURVIVORS have their time to grieve a horrific trauma that would absolutely destroy the average individual? This is tragic and shows the amount of Jew-haters that exist amongst us, and this is terrifying. Open your hearts and be genuinely empathetic.
Do Jews have the monopoly on human suffering? Enough of your endless kvetching. Lobby for more mandatory Holocaust studies classes in public schools, or insist that the State Department’s “special envoy for monitoring and combatting anti-Semitism” be appointed to a Cabinet position. No loyal American has ever been obligated to endorse Zionism or pledge an oath of allegiance to the Jewish state.
It's hard to listen to someone crying about a broken leg with the next person had both their legs amputated. The tragedy of 10/7 has been completely dwarfed 10x over by Israel's vengeance. It's horrifying. Israel is losing the hearts and minds of the entire world with their vengeance.
@@ruth_gordon the area is overrun with terrorists. Its true that its not safe there, but the reason its not safe is because the region has been overrun with terrorists.
@@ruth_gordon The thing is, Palestinian leaders have turned down every offer of a Two-State solution, every peace deal, since the beginning. Hamas explicitly says they will only accept a scenario where Israel and Israelis are completely wiped from the Earth and its nothing but an Islamic state "from the river to the sea". Many do not want peace, they only want to destroy Israel and Israelis. BTW, Gaza had not been occupied in over 20 years. It's been self-governed, with a 100% Palestinian population, with no Israeli presence and therefore no ethnic cleansing or apartheid or occupation. What noble reason did they have for the massacre again? Yes, they couldn't freely enter Israel for security reasons, but shortly before the attack there were actually more work visas for Gazans than ever before, which enabled Gazans to work in Israel and the West Bank. Things were normalizing. Then Hamas brutally murdered 1,300 innocent Israelis. They did it only out of anti-semitism, not to help the people of Gaza. Obviously Hamas knew what kind of response Israel would have. Hamas also hides in crowded areas. They wanted this.
@@ruth_gordonspeak for yourself.
IMHO the issue of extremism is a vast and problematic one.
The Chinese has a saying- when you get rid of weeds, you need to make sure you pull it all out including the roots so it doesn’t grow again.
Talking about moral doesn’t suit people who been supporting prosecution of Palestinians for 75 yrs
Self inflicted by living in denial
Purple T-shirt lady your flipping leader
Now make a video about how the people of Gaza and the West Bank feel living in an occupation and apartheid.
It's so hard to metabolize the words of these people, sitting in their comfortable safe rooms with power and electricity, when we are seeing the images of pure devastation in Gaza. Israel is losing the hearts and minds of the entire world with their vengeance. It's abhorrent.
Digest. No metabolism necessary
Your faux empathy shines bright. Why should they not be allowed to grieve in a FOUR minute video? The trauma and devastation they experienced is not valid? The day they were attacked they were absolutely INNOCENT civilians in their homes, tending to their children and families. What did they do that day to deserve this? The atrocities in Gaza are tragic, but you should blame their self-elected government for all of this. They invaded October 7th. Israel has every right to defend herself. This is not a competition. The fact that you perceive it as such is sickening. This is tragic for BOTH sides. There is no comparison because this is no a competition of human suffering.
@@freespeechbtw4029Complicit in a program of ethnic cleansing. They could have had their rave on Long Island
Ethnic cleansing? Long Island? Are you insinuating that Israelis are indigenous to Long Island? You are so tragically misinformed@@patbnj
There is no moral equivalence - there, fixed it for you.
#freepalestine 🇵🇸
Jews: drives Gazans to hospitals
Gazans: cheers in the streets as Israeli hostages are paraded through the streets
Israelis drive Gazans to hospitals after Gazans were shot and injured by Israelis... how sweet? Are you serious right now?
No they drive the ones with cancer or other illness that Israeli doctors treat
Have you ever heard story of Farmer and Snake?
#FromTheRiverToTheSea_PalestineWillBeFree🇵🇸
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"hamass attacked THEIR country..." sure bud, since when do thieves own things they stole?
Ps: i dont agree with the killing of innocent people, but neither do i agree with twisting the words to suit the oppressor.
They had one trauma in years look how they feel about Palestinian people and they see them .. now image you being born on the other side and you dealing what happen on 7th of October everyday since you being born .
NYT, what is it with these selective reports? If you want to do something like that try posting a video in the same conditions with ADULT survivors from the other side, talking about DEATH as they do here and not only purposefully focusing on DISPLACEMENT while not mentioning the number of Palestinian 'casualties' in these last three weeks (for context, watch the other video they posted). This is a long way from the ethos of your visual investigations, years ago.
We're talking about 830 families completely wiped out from the face of the earth in the enclosed space they were relegated to. In three weeks, Palestinians have suffered 9000 deaths, and you decide not to include that number in the other video but write that 1200 Israelis have died since the BEGINNING of the conflict: that is not an 'opinion' piece, it is inteantionally misleading. You're interviewing people who objectively are sitting down in well put, relatively rich, housing. Compare that to the bombed areas in Gaza, and to the barely habitable conditions of living in there.
You're an important news organization. To what purpose are you showing one-sided suffering? If it had been to shed a light on marginalized suffering in this geographic area, then you chose the side that has been most heavily represented by the media not only in the last few days, but decades, in that territory.
They literally just posted a video about the children of Gaza. Why don't you do your due diligence before going off a tirade.
@@freespeechbtw4029 Because that video, and this one, are textbook media manipulation designed to make people like you not realize that in the Gaza video they ONLY TALKED ABOUT DISPLACEMENT; neither the kids nor the written descriptions talk about the number of deaths, and you don't see a single person crying. Also, the cross-interview narrative sounds less grim if you don't put a single clip of a person crying and let the suffering be seen through a kid's eyes. Compare that to the israelian adults and the story about the dead, talking about loss of empathy for the other side and asking for an even harsher escalation while feeling their government betrayed them by not acting quicker. Why did the NYT not focus on talking about the deaths in both videos? Why are there not adults talking in both? You barely see a shot or two of the rubble, and we know how the houses of the Palestinians look compared to the ones we got in the Israeli's p.o.v.
@@freespeechbtw4029 OP said: " try posting a video in the same conditions with ADULT survivors from the other side"
The world just watched hamas go on a barbaric spree of horriffic violence not seen since the dark ages. Things beyond description. No more sympathy....ever again. If you want tears, go ask your queers for palestine friends.
Not to forget the suffering to the Palestinians in the West Bank, where Hamas does NOT rule and people can't use Hamas to justify the evil of genocide. There is no justification for evil. "Repel that which is evil with good" Holy Quran