My dad and i used to watch 80s bowling together. Watching these players really bring back memories. He idolized Mark Roth and wanted me to pattern my game after him. Really miss him.
When I was a teenager, I was criticized for having a six-step delivery, instead of the conventional four-step delivery. It was very nice to hear that Mark Roth also had a six-step delivery. I didn't change the number of steps in my delivery either. All I know is that the last 8 years I bowled, I averaged over 200, including 15 perfect games, including one in league. Now you tell me who's wrong! And my style was once compared to that of Mark Roth's (although I think my style was a combination of styles from Mark Roth, Marshall Holman, and Pete Weber).
I just want to also say that both Roth and Holman have great stance routines before they place the ball into the swing. Holman takes very little time and his mindset is one of composed & focused concentration. Roth takes a bit more time but has a very similar mindset. I love the way he packs his thumb in the ball with composed & focused concentration. His ball driller from Brooklyn was Bob Simonelli and I had a Roto-Grip drilled very tight. So tight that I had to work it out a bit. Actually my Dad worked it out as he was a pro shop operator for years. My point actually should be. Mark Roth was SO good at making those instinctive foul line adjustments with more loft & speed. He just overpowered lane patterns when the oil migrated. Rest in peace Mark Roth.
Everyone has their favorite announcer to add color to the action. I really liked "Bo" Burton because he was so knowledgeable, insightful, he knew the players and the sport of bowling so well, he was genuinely enthusiastic and no one was ever as professional. Truly professional to everyone. Durbin talks way, way too much and is very mundane. Great to see both Holman & Roth on the telecast. Just my opinions.
Magnificent Marshall could and did play 18 holes of golf before a block during the tournament. He WAS an athlete. As was Amleto Monacelli, Bo Burton and Brian Voss.
I get my bowling balls drilled by Steve Fehr.He's a Cincinnati native and has a pro shop at Western Hills Bowl,home of the famous Hoinke Classic.Really nice man!
"His old room was dark and dirty and cracked. His father beat him there, and then locked him in." Jeez... I remember the 80s being a bright, positive era. I must have missed this commercial.
First time hearing Mike Durbin on the color commentary and thought he did a nice job. On ABC I was partial to Billy Welu. Enjoyed Bo Burton but felt he talked a little too much, Durbin was a nice change of pace. The versatile Al Trautwig was also pretty good. I felt Chris Schenkel kept repeating the same facts over and over (height, weight and hometown). Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.
Plus the way Nelson Burton Jr pronounces his “L’s” drives me nuts. It sounds like a Y and L mixed together - like a mouthful. Once you notice it, you can’t unnotice it. There’s another couple instances when he’s taking about the material bowlers use to patch their blistered thumbs…he calls it “cotton and clodian”. For the life of me, I can’t find clodian anywhere on google. I think he made the word up 🤣 What are your thoughts on Denny Schreiner?
I bowled against Sam Zurich many times and whenever I got close or He was struggling He would move inside just like He did here and pound the pins into submission. A great bowler and truly nice person.
Art Trombley I was 9 years old and bowled with Sam in the Pro-am. I still remember my excitement when I read about it the next day in the Buffalo News. I still have the clipping in a scrapbook. Memories.
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A very disappointed Mark Roth but he just didn't prevail because anything can happen in a one game match. Sam Zurich is a very nice guy and a great representative of the PBA. Instructor/author of PAR BOWLING Thomas C. Kouros was of great hrlp to Sam in his career.
Was that the only singles championship that Zurich won? Yes, I was surprised that Roth did not make- or even attempt to adjust to the lanes. He made the same mistake over and over again. Zurich, however, made the adjustment.
It's a rake on Brunswick pinsetters. Durbin even calls it a sweep. The shock is bad on the rake on 47 is why it slams down. Both lanes need work on the rake adjustments. If you notice on 47 the rake is not coming down most of the time which means the shotgun is turned around. The shotgun is what makes the rake fire and go down.
Please tell me Holman is not giving the finger at 52:44. He displays a terrible attitude when things don't go his way, and I expect someone said something snotty but it's dead silent even with headphones (maybe he could hear the talking head say he's not going to win).
Basically there weren't any "patterns". Every board across the width of the lane got the same oil, some dressed further down than others. The modern patterns were illegal.
Paul Money I'm in the learning process about oil patterns and bowling history in general. I thought what brings the hook 'on' is dry part of the oil pattern, but I see hooking on these 80's broadcasts and broadcasts going back to the early 70's. When the hook start? Why not bowl straight?
Oil was applied to lacquered wooden lanes to protect the surface, less important with modern plastic lanes. If the oil went all the way down to the pins, the ball would just skid all the way, very ineffective, so the oil was stopped somewhere between 30 and 50 feet down the lane. This allows the ball to come off the oil and gain traction on the dryer surface and if the bowler has applied some sideways rotation to the ball it will hook. The point of the hook is to increase the angle at which the ball arrives at the 1-3 pocket, allowing a good ball to drive through to the 5 pin, key to striking. So yes, there was a dry part of the lane, but not as now dry areas to the side of the lane which helps the ball to hook more if you throw it wide of the mark and thus increase the margin of error. Wooden lanes actually used to develop a track area between arrows 2 and 3 where the lacquer wore away and this was dryer than the rest. It tended to guide the ball into the pocket, but God help you if you missed right! Watch Billy Hardwick or Nelson Burton Jr as examples of how to play this effectively, but there have always been big hookers. "Hooking Bob" Handley could get it to go on any surface, or even in the sixties, Bill Lillard could throw an enormous curve.
Paul Money Thanks for the info! My father bowled pro-am in the late 60's/early 70's, unfortunately he's not around to tell me all about it. I reserved some bowling books from the library. I need schooled!
+Paul Money Generally, I agree. Growing up in junior leagues in the '70s, I was typically bowling on a "flat" oil pattern, and that was the norm. Seems like what now is called a "house shot", back in the day referred to as a "blocked lane" or a "crown" if less egregious, came more into vogue in the early 80's. That's where they intentionally apply more oil to the center of the lane than toward the gutters, and perhaps also shorter oil (not as far down the lane) toward the gutters as well. Today's normal lane condition at your local Brunswick Zone would be completely illegal, and no 300 game or big series bowled on it would be sanctioned. Answering Chad S., a hook was always necessary to carry strikes, especially back in the days of rubber balls, lacquer lane finishes and heavy pins that fall as if they are three quarters filled with sand. That's back in the '60s and earlier. Mostly during pre-'70s days, right handed bowlers would typically play the "track", which is rolling the ball straight up 10-board or thereabouts, and hooking it into the pocket. Older lanes would actually have the slightest groove worn into the wood of the lanes from so many bowlers playing the same shot, so the track would be slightly forgiving and therefore the best area to play. I remember a few older houses that I bowled in the '70s where the track shot was my best option. Lefties would more typically play closer to the gutter, maybe 5-board, because with fewer lefties bowling, there wasn't the same "track" worn into the lanes. That could be an advantage or disadvantage to lefties, depending on the lanes. By the late '70s and into the '80s, synthetic lanes and urethane balls arrived on the scene, and bowling started evolving into what it is today. Commenting on the '83 Buffalo Open, those lanes broke down nasty, especially the right lane. Seemed like a dry patch formed between 2nd and 3rd arrow and about halfway down the lane. Roth tried to power over and through it. Holman tried to move left of it. Only Zurich thought to avoid it altogether by moving right. Good move.
Mark Roth you are the greatest all around Bowler EVER,✝️✝️✝️ R.I.P. Mark Roth in Heaven ✝️✝️✝️
My dad and i used to watch 80s bowling together. Watching these players really bring back memories. He idolized Mark Roth and wanted me to pattern my game after him. Really miss him.
When I was a teenager, I was criticized for having a six-step delivery, instead of the conventional four-step delivery. It was very nice to hear that Mark Roth also had a six-step delivery. I didn't change the number of steps in my delivery either. All I know is that the last 8 years I bowled, I averaged over 200, including 15 perfect games, including one in league. Now you tell me who's wrong!
And my style was once compared to that of Mark Roth's (although I think my style was a combination of styles from Mark Roth, Marshall Holman, and Pete Weber).
I just want to also say that both Roth and Holman have great stance routines before they place the ball into the swing. Holman takes very little time and his mindset is one of composed & focused concentration. Roth takes a bit more time but has a very similar mindset. I love the way he packs his thumb in the ball with composed & focused concentration. His ball driller from Brooklyn was Bob Simonelli and I had a Roto-Grip drilled very tight. So tight that I had to work it out a bit. Actually my Dad worked it out as he was a pro shop operator for years. My point actually should be. Mark Roth was SO good at making those instinctive foul line adjustments with more loft & speed. He just overpowered lane patterns when the oil migrated. Rest in peace Mark Roth.
Everyone has their favorite announcer to add color to the action. I really liked "Bo" Burton because he was so knowledgeable, insightful, he knew the players and the sport of bowling so well, he was genuinely enthusiastic and no one was ever as professional. Truly professional to everyone. Durbin talks way, way too much and is very mundane. Great to see both Holman & Roth on the telecast.
Just my opinions.
Magnificent Marshall could and did play 18 holes of golf before a block during the tournament. He WAS an athlete. As was Amleto Monacelli, Bo Burton and Brian Voss.
I get my bowling balls drilled by Steve Fehr.He's a Cincinnati native and has a pro shop at Western Hills Bowl,home of the famous Hoinke Classic.Really nice man!
Do they serve skyline chili there?
i believe 1981 was the first year for urethane. They handed out comp black angle at the national championship in Toledo.
"His old room was dark and dirty and cracked. His father beat him there, and then locked him in." Jeez... I remember the 80s being a bright, positive era. I must have missed this commercial.
First time hearing Mike Durbin on the color commentary and thought he did a nice job. On ABC I was partial to Billy Welu. Enjoyed Bo Burton but felt he talked a little too much, Durbin was a nice change of pace. The versatile Al Trautwig was also pretty good. I felt Chris Schenkel kept repeating the same facts over and over (height, weight and hometown). Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.
Plus the way Nelson Burton Jr pronounces his “L’s” drives me nuts. It sounds like a Y and L mixed together - like a mouthful. Once you notice it, you can’t unnotice it. There’s another couple instances when he’s taking about the material bowlers use to patch their blistered thumbs…he calls it “cotton and clodian”. For the life of me, I can’t find clodian anywhere on google. I think he made the word up 🤣
What are your thoughts on Denny Schreiner?
Durbin was great, maybe the best. I also enjoy Anthony and Holman behind the mike.
Schenkel used the word non-winner constantly and had a pretty obvious crush on Brian Voss.
@@Dr_Paul_Proteus Schenkel so undercover gay man- obsessed with bowler's bodies especially their weight- just weird.
I bowled against Sam Zurich many times and whenever I got close or He was struggling He would move inside just like He did here and pound the pins into submission. A great bowler and truly nice person.
Art Trombley I was 9 years old and bowled with Sam in the Pro-am. I still remember my excitement when I read about it the next day in the Buffalo News. I still have the clipping in a scrapbook. Memories.
D, that must have been exciting for a little person. Sam is a really nice person and He's lots of fun to be around. How did You do in the Pro-Am ?.
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Mike Durbin was the best announcer of all the announcers in the history of announcing.
57:10 a commercial for Playboy magazine ?!?!?
Sam Zurich puts a tremendous amount of roll on the ball.
WOW great move Sam good stuff
Bring back the star shields.
A very disappointed Mark Roth but he just didn't prevail because anything can happen in a one game match. Sam Zurich is a very nice guy and a great representative of the PBA. Instructor/author of PAR BOWLING Thomas C. Kouros was of great hrlp to Sam in his career.
Omg Al Trautwig doing commentary for the PBA..who knew
I once saw Amleto Monacelli leave the 3-4-6 at the 1990 Showboat Invitational. ; )
The medal's in the mail
With the 7-pin, that would be what I call the Marshall Holman Split (which I saw him make in 1981, and Holman got very demonstrative).
@@johnsowell4369 Yeah, I remember that!!!
Lovin' the hand-scoring! :)
They used the opening song in the Kill Bill movies.
And the pilot for Bullseye.
Yes!
I had to check the comments to make sure it was acknowledged.
Interesting- star shield masking units and AMF ball returns. Why?
Was that the only singles championship that Zurich won? Yes, I was surprised that Roth did not make- or even attempt to adjust to the lanes. He made the same mistake over and over again. Zurich, however, made the adjustment.
Multi, Sam's a gutsy player, if it isn't workin, He's not afraid to shift gears. He plays like that even in league action.
Im surprised Roth did not make a move
Steve Fehr's sideways style is exactly like Ron Williams!!
+sk8ersbus1 No one threw the ball like Ron Williams. Amleto Monacelli was a better match or Scott Devers but he was left handed.
interesting, both roth and holman were career pancake weight block users. here they are throwing black hammers.
the first, and title matches were exciting and very close
Andrew Phillips the pin difference in the title match was 32 pins, that’s not close buttmunch.
Look how fast that sweeper comes down at 1:07:10! If you had your head under that it would chop it off! 😳
It's a rake on Brunswick pinsetters. Durbin even calls it a sweep. The shock is bad on the rake on 47 is why it slams down. Both lanes need work on the rake adjustments. If you notice on 47 the rake is not coming down most of the time which means the shotgun is turned around. The shotgun is what makes the rake fire and go down.
Please tell me Holman is not giving the finger at 52:44. He displays a terrible attitude when things don't go his way, and I expect someone said something snotty but it's dead silent even with headphones (maybe he could hear the talking head say he's not going to win).
Kill Bill theme music😂
First year for urethane.
who is this drunk fool in the background that keeps yelling ?? LOL
what were the oil patterns in those days >>>
Basically there weren't any "patterns". Every board across the width of the lane got the same oil, some dressed further down than others. The modern patterns were illegal.
Paul Money I'm in the learning process about oil patterns and bowling history in general. I thought what brings the hook 'on' is dry part of the oil pattern, but I see hooking on these 80's broadcasts and broadcasts going back to the early 70's. When the hook start? Why not bowl straight?
Oil was applied to lacquered wooden lanes to protect the surface, less important with modern plastic lanes. If the oil went all the way down to the pins, the ball would just skid all the way, very ineffective, so the oil was stopped somewhere between 30 and 50 feet down the lane. This allows the ball to come off the oil and gain traction on the dryer surface and if the bowler has applied some sideways rotation to the ball it will hook. The point of the hook is to increase the angle at which the ball arrives at the 1-3 pocket, allowing a good ball to drive through to the 5 pin, key to striking.
So yes, there was a dry part of the lane, but not as now dry areas to the side of the lane which helps the ball to hook more if you throw it wide of the mark and thus increase the margin of error. Wooden lanes actually used to develop a track area between arrows 2 and 3 where the lacquer wore away and this was dryer than the rest. It tended to guide the ball into the pocket, but God help you if you missed right! Watch Billy Hardwick or Nelson Burton Jr as examples of how to play this effectively, but there have always been big hookers. "Hooking Bob" Handley could get it to go on any surface, or even in the sixties, Bill Lillard could throw an enormous curve.
Paul Money Thanks for the info! My father bowled pro-am in the late 60's/early 70's, unfortunately he's not around to tell me all about it. I reserved some bowling books from the library. I need schooled!
+Paul Money Generally, I agree. Growing up in junior leagues in the '70s, I was typically bowling on a "flat" oil pattern, and that was the norm. Seems like what now is called a "house shot", back in the day referred to as a "blocked lane" or a "crown" if less egregious, came more into vogue in the early 80's. That's where they intentionally apply more oil to the center of the lane than toward the gutters, and perhaps also shorter oil (not as far down the lane) toward the gutters as well. Today's normal lane condition at your local Brunswick Zone would be completely illegal, and no 300 game or big series bowled on it would be sanctioned. Answering Chad S., a hook was always necessary to carry strikes, especially back in the days of rubber balls, lacquer lane finishes and heavy pins that fall as if they are three quarters filled with sand. That's back in the '60s and earlier. Mostly during pre-'70s days, right handed bowlers would typically play the "track", which is rolling the ball straight up 10-board or thereabouts, and hooking it into the pocket. Older lanes would actually have the slightest groove worn into the wood of the lanes from so many bowlers playing the same shot, so the track would be slightly forgiving and therefore the best area to play. I remember a few older houses that I bowled in the '70s where the track shot was my best option. Lefties would more typically play closer to the gutter, maybe 5-board, because with fewer lefties bowling, there wasn't the same "track" worn into the lanes. That could be an advantage or disadvantage to lefties, depending on the lanes. By the late '70s and into the '80s, synthetic lanes and urethane balls arrived on the scene, and bowling started evolving into what it is today. Commenting on the '83 Buffalo Open, those lanes broke down nasty, especially the right lane. Seemed like a dry patch formed between 2nd and 3rd arrow and about halfway down the lane. Roth tried to power over and through it. Holman tried to move left of it. Only Zurich thought to avoid it altogether by moving right. Good move.
Sam Zurich threw some clutch strikes to win the Buffalo Open
Andrew Phillips spoiler butt munch
No shit, Le Douche
You're a real buzzkill, Andrew.
Durbin is the worst announcer 😅
So is Chris S.
How about that intro music