@grimreapers - Thanks for the video guys! Cap, I got a weird request, could you reenact the final attack mission (scene) of the movie Top Gun Maverick? I am sure there are aspects of it that you can't, but it would be fun to see what the Grim Reapers could come up with!
@@grimreapers - Thanks Cap, I was thinking of the scene where you all would start on the carrier in F/A-18's and fly in formation through steep mountainous or valley terrain layered with SAMs and attack a target similarly like they did in the movie.
One thing the Sim cannot reproduce and model is the surprise and horror the Axis fighter would have felt when their wingmen were blowing up from an unknown missile or the shock at seeing fighters jets! I think they would have ran for their lives to regroup and figure out what was happening. Same with the ground forces!
I think the shock value would only last a couple of days. From a dogfight perspective a warbirds slow speed and maneuverability would eat a jet alive. Granted of the jet doesn't want to be engaged, it would just run off and the warbird would never catch it.
Bring in the AC-130s at night. I can just imagine the reaction of disbelief when the reports of these fighter jets being used got to Hitler and Goering.
Was just at the US Airforce National Museum in Dayton and they have a puff the magic dragon there. You would not want to be on the ground facing the dipped wing side of that plane😆😳😳😬🫣
I really hate that movie because the creators chickened out and did not show the real action. I understand, budgets and stuff, bit that sucks. Have to make do with gr and books like the Kirov series, there's lots of anachronistic action there (though it gets too convoluted and silly the further you go in the series).
I’ve been subbed just long enough to know that it’s not a GR video if Cap hasn’t miscalculated or forgotten how to operate the aircraft he chose. I’d be mildly disappointed if it all went to plan and without a hitch.
@@neruil77 Its been asked multiple times before by others, but hey if it makes you feel superior rather than just enjoying the video you be you. It says more about your personality than the video
@@Mr2greys WTF.. where the hell, do you get I'm superior at? You on drugs? If you think, me asking a simple question is acting like I am superior, you have issues and you need a psychiatrists
@Mr2greys It's a legitimate question, As it affects the way the GPS bombs could be used.. and as entertaining as it is, It doesn't do anything to answer the hypothetical situation. If the battle is won by weapons that would not work as effectively back then, Ie the sim should be re-run using non GPS bombs to see if the original derp changes anything much..
better off asking what would have happened to america if hitler hadn't let the british withdraw its forces ,had britain fallen the third reich would of had no credible resistance and between germany and japan would of soon destroyed russia and moved onto america with hitlers rockets being unopposed and with germanys work with heavy water it could of well been that the usa would of been the first country hit by the atomic bomb instead of japan
41:49 Technically, in your navy version, you only lost 4 aircraft during combat. The remaining three were lost during (edit: carrier mishaps. One launch failure and two landing failures at the very end)
@seangfoster1974 Friendly fire doesn't count as lost in combat? The navy losses were: 1. Cap's self-imposed maneuver kill 2. Friendly fire. 3. Unknown. 4. Catapult launch failure. 5. Cap lost fuel just short of the carrier. 6. Carrier landing. 7. Carrier landing. The air force losses were: 1. Friendly fire. 2. Bad spawn position. 3. Some crash? 4. Friendly fire. 5. I think the A-10 was taken out by enemy fire. 6. Unknown. 7. Cap ran out of fuel almost the same distance from the runway as he was from the carrier when he had to ditch there. 😂
B1b @ 40k_ft (service ceiling 60k), untouchable. - Zero's R fragile, A10's aren't that vulnerable (put a couple of sidewinders??? ). -F16 & A10's full of mavericks (forget guns) -f15s loaded with sidewinders for cover (don't dogfight, 10 mile range).
I really don't think they are using the A-10 to its best ability. Also there is no coordinated strikes and sorties. its just fly up and shoot things. This is not how one would say how A would do against B.
Don't forget to account for cost: Navy was more than $1 billion but USAF was just over $600 million (until that very last landing/crash). So USAF did better in that regard.
Hello Reapers, I'm a huge fan of your channel and I particularly enjoy your WWII scenarios. So much in fact that I found a mission just for you. In 1944, Jimmy Doolittle launched an airstrike, code named Operation Thunderbolt, on the German super fortress, Fort Driant, with P47s. The mission was to destroy the fort, but they were unsuccessful. Later the fort was placed under siege by General Pattons forces until its eventual Surrender. Today, the fortress still stands. My question is, what WWII era weapons would the Grim Reapers choose and, also, what would it take using today's technology to destroy such a behemoth? I would really love to see you guys run this scenario in gameplay on DCS. Anyway, thank you for the videos and I'll be looking forward to more WWII scenarios.
@@samuraidriver4x4 Cluster munitions aren't banned by Geneva. Just restricted due to treaty by most countries, and heavily disliked due to high dud rates.
This was, as ever, highly entertaining thanks guys. BUT - US fighting in Europe prior to 1942? No no no no no!! We need the definitive edition of this mission featuring only the RN and RAF, so Typhoons, Harriers, Tornados & Jaguars please Cap!!
Actually yes please! I would love to see a re-enactment of the old school board game "Fortress America" where the US simultaneously came under attack by the Soviets from the East, the South American Alliance from the South, and the Pan Asian Collective from the West. Unfortunately I bet that would melt any server they tried to play it on. It might make a fun campaign though.
As i flicked on the kettle i was saying to my dog Gary, "Hey Gary, i wonder if a non nation specific Bomber Air Wing could have changed the course of events in say a famous World War Two battle". And what do you know, those Reaper chaps have done just that.
Tru story after ww2 an ace was giving a talk at a girls boarding school. He began talking about finding himself in a target rich environment. “ there were three f-kers to my right, 4 f-kers to my left and another 2 f-kers about a thousand feet above.” At that point the headmistress interrupted and said “ students it’s important to understand that a fokker is a type of air plane.” The pilot then replied “ yes ma’am but these f-kers were flying meschersmits….” Sir douglas bader. The “fat electrician “ channel has a hilarious documentary video on him…and if this is your first contact with the fat electrician you’re welcome. Funniest military documentaries out there.
19:00 Fly is hilarious man. "I lost one engine but im ok with that" Cap-"Friendy fire is going to ruin our efficiency. The editing and filming was top notch like always.
What about trying this with a joint RAF Typhoons and F-35's Air Wing, along with a Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers plus three Type 45 Destroyers and three new Type 26 Frigates too, with FAA F-35B's and AAC Ah-1E's Gunnership's as well, Wining The Battle Of Dunkirk too?
37:44 I was informed today by a former F-22/F-15 repair crew chief that the F-16 is referred to as a "lawn dart" because it lacks redundant systems it noses for the ground.
1300+ more 88's fired $7000 more cost for the nazis to replace and $300 million less spent and all this and you think of this as failure. 1 more cluster bomb on target and you would of had more kills today. I reckon if you had not been friendly fired you would of had more time to get those extra kills. I would say this was more successful than the naval attempt.
Follow-up video - "How does GR bring back GPS satellites and place them into orbit prior to launching a "What If" mission with modern kit." NASA surely must be involved with the whole time-warp space-time continuum field generation. We all know Cap didn't do well in Astrophysics and Quantum Mechanics in primary school 🤣🤣 Fun mission boyz!! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.
Cap, sir. If you have time could you please do a video about how you make a mission. Since I sent you the idea for that mission I've been thinking about how much I don't know about DCS. I think it might help anyone who has an idea in the future. ✋😀
Concerning the previous video: What if you ran the same scenario using .50cal/20mm P-38 Lightning and/or 20 or 30mm canon in the Mosquito? Both were fielded in the European theater in those configurations, and both have a single, forward field of fire?
Well Cap I love these "what if" scenarios but to be fair the comparison of the USN to the USAF is apples and oranges. The Navy would have deployed and been on time to stop the Germans. The Air Force would have gotten there weeks or months after Britain had already lost and possibly invaded by the Germans. USN 1987-2008.
I have a few questions about the German Forces at Dunkirk. One is did they have AA Units there? Also where did Cap get the battle formation and German Units and weapons for the battle? How accurate is it? Also one more thing about the A-10 I just have a feeling they really are not using it properly. I could be wrong but something feels so wrong about all of this and how the tactics and weapons are being used. To be quite honest there is no coordination of sorties or even tactics/strategies being used. More or less its pick a weapon fly up and try to kill things. Then say because of this or that its no good to use this or that. A weapon is just a tool of war. Stupid to send in ground support weapons without taking out gaining air superiority and have effective cover. An example of miss use of weapons was seen in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Ill use of artillery fire to suppress Iraqi AA units lead to Apache Gunships attack failing. When in a latter mission both flanking the AA and use of artillery to suppress the AA lead to a far more successful raid. So if there was AA sites cluster bomb or bombing of the AA sites should been used to let the A-10s run free while supported by air cover.
Hello! May I suggest to do this same exercise, but of all of you using the Community A4-E for bombing and intercept? Just put it in to make it a bit more "balanced". The 50's-60s' technology would make it as good as modern tech would do?. Thanks for the great videos and tutorials.
All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.
why do you have to target bunkers in this battle? you're just trying to damage german forces and stop their advance- you're not trying to make an offensive.
My favorite is the guy trying to say Fokkerwulf all the time because he always sounds like he's being a pottymouth but he ain't. I thought he called something unfuckable for a second.
Why the hardened bunkers? Weren't the Germans on a blitzkrieg attack? Did they stop and build concrete bunkers? If they didn't have bunkers, you could have substituted more panzers.
Excuse my ignorance Wouldnt efficiency go up with an arial assest like 3 f35s 2 strickly driving bombs from trucks (B1s and A10s) beings the f35 can designate distribute ordinance over multiple targets at a time 1 F35 staged above max altitude for F190 and 109s woth 10 F15s carring medium/long range missles and firing them after leaving the runway in the UK? The F35 can also track and cotrol all incoming ordinance for that as well atleast thats what the US military claimed
"What If" mission proposal: May 1982, the _Veinticinco de Mayo_ instead of carrying A-4Q Skyhawks (which she was unable to launch in a "Banzai Night" attack on the British Task Force), was carrying an air group of A-1 Skyraiders. Could they even get into the air, let alone make a marginally effective (if suicidal) attack? Special credit to try it with aerial torpedoes, or some kind of psychobilly frankenstein Exocet carriage. (I apologize for not at least running the initial takeoff setup through a flight sim to check if it'd work-no free time to kludge together a workable analogue for a carrier takeoff, with catapult, but at a lower ship speed than what's hard-coded into X-Plane.)
Navy barely squeaks out a victory in numbers killed while parked immediately off the coast. I mean, the AF clearly won that. Did nearly the same while flying from another country. ;)
Caught you complaining about a lucky cannot hit on your F-16. Long ago, 1987, I was near Luuq Somalia. The Oromo Liberation Front had a farm just upstream from the refugee camps. They asked me to visit and review their irrigation system. I noticed they were using parts from a MiG fuselage as a splash pad. During the Ethiopian Somali war, a pair of MiG's took a run at the Luuq bridge. One was shot down by the WWII style anti-aircraft cannon of the Somali Army. I could see the hole punched just behind the cockpit. I assume they targeted the lead aircraft and the second ran into the shell.
In the spirit of going back in time. I’ve always pondered If 4 squadrons of Grumman A6E Intruders went back in time to WW2 and were stationed in England. With a squadron of KA6D tankers. Would they be able to bomb Berlin? Intruders flying at tree top level, 18,000 pounds of ordinance per plane over Europe.
Stupid hypothetical. How about would a squadron of F35 won the Battle of Dunkirk? How about a squadron of F22? What about a 30 F4 Phantoms? Will 25 F15E do the job? 🤦♂️
DCS has an issue where modern firepower is much less effective than it should be, when dealing with certain older aircraft. I've seen the same thing on other's dogfighting videos, when doing modern vs WWII, or older, again, various select aircraft, not universal.
The one thing all these "WHAT IF" scenarios never include is that today's military cannot function without satellites. You don't just send one F 22 with one bomb to Berlin to kill Hitler and end the war. The support infrastructure is what enable these powerful weapons to do what they can do. Doesn't matter how badass an A 10 is if it cannot find the target without satellite communications. Without satellites all combat aircraft would be haplessly wandering the skies and only just as effective as WWII combat aircraft. So when we think an AH 64 or an M1 or an F 15 EX could do so much more there'd need to be eyes in the sky telling them where to go and what to shoot. We have effectively evolved from spray and pray to sniping. Why send 900 B 17's and B 24's when one B 1 could do the trick with a single laser guided munition?
When the F-15E is damaged especially when a wing is broke/shot off the server registers it as a kill or something similar. It puts the plane in an odd state, this consistently happens to me. You can still fly pretty well on 1 wing and even continue semi accurate iron bomb runs but yep, no map icon, things get weird.
It seems the ukranians have got their hands on quite a few ATACMS and are taking out both S400's and land target well within russian territory. My question is whether your S400 model has been too effective inside DCS, since shooting down 4 ATACMS wouldn't seem too impossible for an S400 site. Is it possible the S400 has been overestimated?
I've seen a bunch of these what ifs and sure the shear destructive power would be overwhelming but what about day 2, back then was there compatible fuel, also ground power for engine start, would it be available? how about the runways, are they robust enough to handle a B1 fully loaded and long enough? Replacement weapons, were bombs back then compatible with the modern shackle arrangements, also what about the drop characteristics of older bombs. This'll win any battle but Logistics wins Wars.
Can the A10 run a full loadout with nothing but sidewinders, or are those pylons different? It seems like it would be better vs warbirds with that loadout.
Modern technology is great at reducing friendly casualties and achieving objectives but in financial terms it's a disaster. You could probably build, maintain, arm and crew a WW2 fighter plane for much less than the cost of the missile a F18 would use to take it out. Likewise bunkers are just a large mass of concrete and rebar. You'd go bankrupt way before the enemy if you started with the same resources.
@grimreapers - Thanks for the video guys! Cap, I got a weird request, could you reenact the final attack mission (scene) of the movie Top Gun Maverick? I am sure there are aspects of it that you can't, but it would be fun to see what the Grim Reapers could come up with!
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@@grimreapers - Thanks Cap, I was thinking of the scene where you all would start on the carrier in F/A-18's and fly in formation through steep mountainous or valley terrain layered with SAMs and attack a target similarly like they did in the movie.
One thing the Sim cannot reproduce and model is the surprise and horror the Axis fighter would have felt when their wingmen were blowing up from an unknown missile or the shock at seeing fighters jets! I think they would have ran for their lives to regroup and figure out what was happening. Same with the ground forces!
Would they even see the missiles? Wouldn't they just think the explosion was really well aimed Flak?
@@dexionsgamingcorner310 They might not realize it’s a missile, but they would also know it wasn’t typical AA
Like everybody in 1940 would be fine with a blue hedgehog running down the street with fire coming from its feet.
I think the shock value would only last a couple of days. From a dogfight perspective a warbirds slow speed and maneuverability would eat a jet alive. Granted of the jet doesn't want to be engaged, it would just run off and the warbird would never catch it.
And just the max afterburner "show of force" low pass over the German ground forces would have made them halt!
Bring in the AC-130s at night. I can just imagine the reaction of disbelief when the reports of these fighter jets being used got to Hitler and Goering.
They're neither jets nor fighters.
Bruh AC130's arent fighters (Attack-Cargo craft) nor are they JETS (they use turboprop/turboshaft engines)
Was just at the US Airforce National Museum in Dayton and they have a puff the magic dragon there. You would not want to be on the ground facing the dipped wing side of that plane😆😳😳😬🫣
Simba: "Anything you can do, I can do BRRRRRRRTer."
Every one of these "modern solutions to historical problems" scenarios makes me think of the 1980 movie "The Final Countdown".
I'd loved that movie when I was a kid and I've always loved the F-14
I'm pretty sure that movie was the inspiration for all of this.
I really hate that movie because the creators chickened out and did not show the real action. I understand, budgets and stuff, bit that sucks.
Have to make do with gr and books like the Kirov series, there's lots of anachronistic action there (though it gets too convoluted and silly the further you go in the series).
I havent seen TFC but from YT comments i find randomly it sounds pretty good
@@thedyingmeme6 it is, mainly due to the real carrier and the real planes they got to play with
In life three things are guaranteed.
1. Death
2. Taxes
3. Dark shooting blues
lol
That's why they call him Dark I suppose )
Cap: *chooses F-16 even though F-15E is available*
Cap 5 seconds later: "Why am I out of fuel?"
I’ve been subbed just long enough to know that it’s not a GR video if Cap hasn’t miscalculated or forgotten how to operate the aircraft he chose. I’d be mildly disappointed if it all went to plan and without a hitch.
lols you got me!
@@EeekiE Those days are scary.
And why transit so,close to the ground anyway? But that’s part of the fun. I know it’s hard to,play, film, and provide commentary
I like how when you guys travel back in time, you take the orbital positioning satellites with you.
I just asked that question also.
@@neruil77 Its been asked multiple times before by others, but hey if it makes you feel superior rather than just enjoying the video you be you. It says more about your personality than the video
@@Mr2greys WTF.. where the hell, do you get I'm superior at? You on drugs? If you think, me asking a simple question is acting like I am superior, you have issues and you need a psychiatrists
Just kids in the US imagining how great they are and showing the world what great tits they are.
@Mr2greys It's a legitimate question, As it affects the way the GPS bombs could be used.. and as entertaining as it is, It doesn't do anything to answer the hypothetical situation. If the battle is won by weapons that would not work as effectively back then, Ie the sim should be re-run using non GPS bombs to see if the original derp changes anything much..
better off asking what would have happened to america if hitler hadn't let the british withdraw its forces ,had britain fallen the third reich would of had no credible resistance and between germany and japan would of soon destroyed russia and moved onto america with hitlers rockets being unopposed and with germanys work with heavy water it could of well been that the usa would of been the first country hit by the atomic bomb instead of japan
41:49 Technically, in your navy version, you only lost 4 aircraft during combat. The remaining three were lost during (edit: carrier mishaps. One launch failure and two landing failures at the very end)
Yes, but none of the USAF aircraft were lost in combat. They were all friendly fire or crash-landing.
@seangfoster1974 Friendly fire doesn't count as lost in combat? The navy losses were:
1. Cap's self-imposed maneuver kill
2. Friendly fire.
3. Unknown.
4. Catapult launch failure.
5. Cap lost fuel just short of the carrier.
6. Carrier landing.
7. Carrier landing.
The air force losses were:
1. Friendly fire.
2. Bad spawn position.
3. Some crash?
4. Friendly fire.
5. I think the A-10 was taken out by enemy fire.
6. Unknown.
7. Cap ran out of fuel almost the same distance from the runway as he was from the carrier when he had to ditch there. 😂
@@hanrockabrand95 I'm a witness! Defective wiring on Cap's F-16 caused spontaneous detonation of all his stores!
@@hanrockabrand95 6 was friendly fire.
B1b @ 40k_ft (service ceiling 60k), untouchable.
- Zero's R fragile, A10's aren't that vulnerable (put a couple of sidewinders??? ).
-F16 & A10's full of mavericks (forget guns)
-f15s loaded with sidewinders for cover (don't dogfight, 10 mile range).
I really don't think they are using the A-10 to its best ability. Also there is no coordinated strikes and sorties. its just fly up and shoot things. This is not how one would say how A would do against B.
Don't forget to account for cost: Navy was more than $1 billion but USAF was just over $600 million (until that very last landing/crash). So USAF did better in that regard.
Hello Reapers, I'm a huge fan of your channel and I particularly enjoy your WWII scenarios. So much in fact that I found a mission just for you. In 1944, Jimmy Doolittle launched an airstrike, code named Operation Thunderbolt, on the German super fortress, Fort Driant, with P47s. The mission was to destroy the fort, but they were unsuccessful. Later the fort was placed under siege by General Pattons forces until its eventual Surrender. Today, the fortress still stands. My question is, what WWII era weapons would the Grim Reapers choose and, also, what would it take using today's technology to destroy such a behemoth? I would really love to see you guys run this scenario in gameplay on DCS. Anyway, thank you for the videos and I'll be looking forward to more WWII scenarios.
Jesus, watching that 105 site get mauled by the cluster bomb is scary as hell. What a terrifying weapon for people on the ground.
They are banned in the UK, we are not allowed cluster weapons.
@@grimreapers USA can spot you a few. Will trade for quality cheese.
@@BobTheHappyDinosaurC H E E S E
There wasn't a Geneva suggestion around in WW2 so cluster bombs are a valid tactic.
It's not a war crime if you are the first to do it right?
@@samuraidriver4x4 Cluster munitions aren't banned by Geneva. Just restricted due to treaty by most countries, and heavily disliked due to high dud rates.
This was, as ever, highly entertaining thanks guys. BUT - US fighting in Europe prior to 1942? No no no no no!! We need the definitive edition of this mission featuring only the RN and RAF, so Typhoons, Harriers, Tornados & Jaguars please Cap!!
hmmm will try.
@@grimreapers Does this mean I need to learn the Typhoon?
Hunters and Lightnings F4s would suffice for Dunkirk. Supermodern stuff is overkill.
27:50 Cap casually calling Germans coldblooded reptilians... And he got away with it :P
Can america defend itself from an attack from the north and south with missle attacks from the east and west?
Canada has those two squadrons of American Bomarc missiles... 🤔
Defend from north and south with missile coming from east and west?
Actually yes please! I would love to see a re-enactment of the old school board game "Fortress America" where the US simultaneously came under attack by the Soviets from the East, the South American Alliance from the South, and the Pan Asian Collective from the West. Unfortunately I bet that would melt any server they tried to play it on. It might make a fun campaign though.
@@ch-53esuperstallion76 missles coming from the seas.. naval assult from the pacific and Atlantic
Redo the Vulcan bommer simulated nuclear attack on the US. I believe 8 of 9 succeeded probs wrong thou.. sorry if I am
I have not yet watched this video.
That said, the video thumbnail image is *GREAT!!*
I was looking at the engines of the B1 in the thumbnail and looking at my model hanging above my head ...and something ain't right🤨
The thumbnail, it’s AI generated! Impossible!
Nice Fly!!! Great death star run.
The main reason for your high friendly fire is the lack of combat controllers to deconflict.
Yarp
Zero fuel is actually just another aspect of Cap's patented "Bollocks Maneuver".
yes
Dark has a better blue on blue ratio than blue on red haha
Now do those same missions defending as the Germans. 🤣
“Help!” - Fly
I’m glad I wasn’t expecting an incident free video with Fly.
I dunno ... seemed pretty ... SUPER-FLY this mission!
Old Navy guy here. I heard that comment, Cap. I'm pointing the knife hand *directly at you*.
You can feel it, can't you?
😉
lol run away!
ive been to ask could the sensor fused pucks of the f16s cluster munitions (if deployed high enough) detect and shoot down drones
I bet they could.
Potentially possible, but the timing must be hard to nail.
USAF did it cheaper and killed more high value targets and less infantry.
@henrygibson9613 True. But just remember that was one Navy Carrier Battle Group.
As i flicked on the kettle i was saying to my dog Gary, "Hey Gary, i wonder if a non nation specific Bomber Air Wing could have changed the course of events in say a famous World War Two battle".
And what do you know, those Reaper chaps have done just that.
My pet snail is named Gary
I had the exact same conversation with my hamster.
Small world, isn't it.
Just remember, it's only a problem to talk to your pets when they start to talk back, and give you really interesting ideas.
@@brian_sipe its only a problem when I don't actually have a dog
Look at us basically having the same brain...
Tru story after ww2 an ace was giving a talk at a girls boarding school. He began talking about finding himself in a target rich environment. “ there were three f-kers to my right, 4 f-kers to my left and another 2 f-kers about a thousand feet above.” At that point the headmistress interrupted and said “ students it’s important to understand that a fokker is a type of air plane.” The pilot then replied “ yes ma’am but these f-kers were flying meschersmits….” Sir douglas bader. The “fat electrician “ channel has a hilarious documentary video on him…and if this is your first contact with the fat electrician you’re welcome. Funniest military documentaries out there.
Can you imagine a brace of F22's just flying 100 feet above the battlefield at 1500 mph, that would be enough to scare the B-Jesus out of the Axis
19:00 Fly is hilarious man. "I lost one engine but im ok with that"
Cap-"Friendy fire is going to ruin our efficiency. The editing and filming was top notch like always.
Now, navy and airforce joint operation, with the marines on a rescue mission.
And yet Army was actually there
What about trying this with a joint RAF Typhoons and F-35's Air Wing, along with a Royal Navy Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers plus three Type 45 Destroyers and three new Type 26 Frigates too, with FAA F-35B's and AAC Ah-1E's Gunnership's as well, Wining The Battle Of Dunkirk too?
I got a B-Oner
37:44 I was informed today by a former F-22/F-15 repair crew chief that the F-16 is referred to as a "lawn dart" because it lacks redundant systems it noses for the ground.
The f16 is also designed to be aerodynamically unstable (they have computers to deal with it tho)
"Slimy, yet satisfying."
1300+ more 88's fired $7000 more cost for the nazis to replace and $300 million less spent and all this and you think of this as failure. 1 more cluster bomb on target and you would of had more kills today. I reckon if you had not been friendly fired you would of had more time to get those extra kills. I would say this was more successful than the naval attempt.
lol thats one LOOONG boat in the AI generated thumbnail :)
lol yeh I had to do a lot of MS paint corrections.
keep in mind for the cost of one of those jets, the Luftwaffe could have likely built about 120 fokkers...
Blue Angles here in Vero Beach, Florida this week. they are buzzing my house right now.
Follow-up video - "How does GR bring back GPS satellites and place them into orbit prior to launching a "What If" mission with modern kit." NASA surely must be involved with the whole time-warp space-time continuum field generation. We all know Cap didn't do well in Astrophysics and Quantum Mechanics in primary school 🤣🤣 Fun mission boyz!! Video Valued by Valued Viewer - Fly Army 🚁
Fly Army? Been to Cairns AAF? USAACE ftw!
@@Chuck_Stick AvMC Brother. And it should have stayed Fort RUCKER! (not your fault of course) HOOAH!
All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.
Where's Damp?
It’s a GREAT DAY!
I would be very surprised if its NO
NOt going to waste my time watching this vid
Cap, sir.
If you have time could you please do a video about how you make a mission. Since I sent you the idea for that mission I've been thinking about how much I don't know about DCS. I think it might help anyone who has an idea in the future.
✋😀
Enjoy: ruclips.net/p/PL3kOAM2N1YJdFQl4vNo5CMcv7PrSHpreS
@@grimreapers
Thank you. 😀👍
I think the best combo would be Navy fires missiles at Warbirds, B1s for the bunkers, Mix of Air Force Navy for soft targets, troops, tanks, etc.
The thumbnail for this video was a bloody work of art. Cap - if you see this, any chance you can make it available in 4k and 3840x1600 for download?
We actually got AI to make it for us. Sure.
I'm guessing that NCIS made you rig this one.
NCIS ain't got nuffin on me.
Thank you for the constant content. Makes my dead time bearable.
Concerning the previous video: What if you ran the same scenario using .50cal/20mm P-38 Lightning and/or 20 or 30mm canon in the Mosquito? Both were fielded in the European theater in those configurations, and both have a single, forward field of fire?
@19:28 It's a good thing you're not doing naval sims: "If you're not lucky, we can't use you." - Captain Ron Wiltsie, USN
I guess the War Thunder meme of "Teammates are just enemies in blue." is a universal term.
I'm pretty sure when they crash, you have to call them a "Good German."
aaand demonetized.
The aaa is absurdity accurate. Its a big issue on ww2 missions imo. Goid video though.
Cap, you need to disable the rwr for the warbirds. DCS automatically gives rwr to all planes
Roger but it's a real PITA to edit core game warbirds.
That was entertaining.
19:19 "I'm in Danger" Ralph Wiggum
Well Cap I love these "what if" scenarios but to be fair the comparison of the USN to the USAF is apples and oranges. The Navy would have deployed and been on time to stop the Germans. The Air Force would have gotten there weeks or months after Britain had already lost and possibly invaded by the Germans. USN 1987-2008.
The Navy has cluster weapons. It is an optional warhead on the Tomahawk missile.
Are they sensor fused thought? I thought only USAF has these sensor fused versions that are so damaging.
No they don't have that option at all where are you getting this info from tomahawks are a point detonation warhead
I have a few questions about the German Forces at Dunkirk. One is did they have AA Units there? Also where did Cap get the battle formation and German Units and weapons for the battle? How accurate is it? Also one more thing about the A-10 I just have a feeling they really are not using it properly. I could be wrong but something feels so wrong about all of this and how the tactics and weapons are being used.
To be quite honest there is no coordination of sorties or even tactics/strategies being used. More or less its pick a weapon fly up and try to kill things. Then say because of this or that its no good to use this or that. A weapon is just a tool of war. Stupid to send in ground support weapons without taking out gaining air superiority and have effective cover. An example of miss use of weapons was seen in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Ill use of artillery fire to suppress Iraqi AA units lead to Apache Gunships attack failing. When in a latter mission both flanking the AA and use of artillery to suppress the AA lead to a far more successful raid. So if there was AA sites cluster bomb or bombing of the AA sites should been used to let the A-10s run free while supported by air cover.
Yes the psychological effects of bvr combat and planes moving at mach 1 would lead to panic.
Fuck. Fly. Well, I WAS excited for this video.
lol
I'd like to see: US vs Russia - A-!0 vs whatever???
A-10 shits on an Su-25, which is its only competitor for the role.
On top of that, F-22's exist - US wins, it has no actual competition.
Hello! May I suggest to do this same exercise, but of all of you using the Community A4-E for bombing and intercept? Just put it in to make it a bit more "balanced". The 50's-60s' technology would make it as good as modern tech would do?. Thanks for the great videos and tutorials.
Not wanting to be boring, because nobody likes a boring person, but… how is the GPS working in 1940? 🤔🤯
That will hamper the modern force a little.
All of these weapons work without GPS. It is assumed that China is going to jam all GPS during a battle, so these weapons and aircraft revert from EGI to INS guidance.
@@grimreapers good answer 😁
how did you get less kill while using CBU's? really! how? so many questions on how fun gets involved in results... Questions? that was just fun
why do you have to target bunkers in this battle? you're just trying to damage german forces and stop their advance- you're not trying to make an offensive.
My favorite is the guy trying to say Fokkerwulf all the time because he always sounds like he's being a pottymouth but he ain't. I thought he called something unfuckable for a second.
Too bad DCS is primarily an aviation platform. I’d love to see what impact a modern US armored division would have.
Flak guns in DCS are modeled so poorly, no military would employ the crew and equipment with such poor results.
I do love modern stuff in WW2, but what if we sent a bunch of CV90s to the American Civil War?
could an Airwing preempt the invasions of both Holland and Belgium just smashing Luftwaffe aerodromes?
Great video. Now we demand combined Navy carrier strike force and Air Force joint operation. ALSO Space Force, they can be cheerleaders.
Before I watch, I'm saying better than the Navy. But again, I'm an Air Force brat....lol
Cluster munitions...when everything in a square mile area must die.
Yarp
I don't know if you have done this but what will happen if battle of Britain or battle of pearl harbour was all done with all modern aircraft
Was the navy battle peak 70-80s battle ships? I’d think their main guns/cannons could beat up a lot!
Why the hardened bunkers? Weren't the Germans on a blitzkrieg attack? Did they stop and build concrete bunkers? If they didn't have bunkers, you could have substituted more panzers.
They'd been in France for a few years by the time of DDay and knew the allies were coming eventually.
@@beefsuprem0241 you know that Dunkirk was before DDay?
@@emmata98
Doh
My bad, thought this was a DDay attack for some reason
While I enjoyed the Navy option more (USS Saratoga in the late 80's) really enjoying your Air Force version.
Excuse my ignorance
Wouldnt efficiency go up with an arial assest like 3 f35s
2 strickly driving bombs from trucks (B1s and A10s) beings the f35 can designate distribute ordinance over multiple targets at a time
1 F35 staged above max altitude for F190 and 109s woth 10 F15s carring medium/long range missles and firing them after leaving the runway in the UK?
The F35 can also track and cotrol all incoming ordinance for that as well atleast thats what the US military claimed
"What If" mission proposal: May 1982, the _Veinticinco de Mayo_ instead of carrying A-4Q Skyhawks (which she was unable to launch in a "Banzai Night" attack on the British Task Force), was carrying an air group of A-1 Skyraiders. Could they even get into the air, let alone make a marginally effective (if suicidal) attack?
Special credit to try it with aerial torpedoes, or some kind of psychobilly frankenstein Exocet carriage.
(I apologize for not at least running the initial takeoff setup through a flight sim to check if it'd work-no free time to kludge together a workable analogue for a carrier takeoff, with catapult, but at a lower ship speed than what's hard-coded into X-Plane.)
I'm just wondering, would the radar of the day be setting off the alarms in the advanced aircraft?
You guys are amazing. One more inept than the next. If you want to do things right, why don't you plan anything?
It woulf be really cool to compare a AT802 vs say a stuka that is really simular planes.
Would like to see the AC-130 show up some time
Agreed
Navy barely squeaks out a victory in numbers killed while parked immediately off the coast. I mean, the AF clearly won that. Did nearly the same while flying from another country. ;)
Fun, but more jeopardy!
Caught you complaining about a lucky cannot hit on your F-16. Long ago, 1987, I was near Luuq Somalia. The Oromo Liberation Front had a farm just upstream from the refugee camps. They asked me to visit and review their irrigation system. I noticed they were using parts from a MiG fuselage as a splash pad. During the Ethiopian Somali war, a pair of MiG's took a run at the Luuq bridge. One was shot down by the WWII style anti-aircraft cannon of the Somali Army. I could see the hole punched just behind the cockpit. I assume they targeted the lead aircraft and the second ran into the shell.
In the spirit of going back in time. I’ve always pondered If 4 squadrons of Grumman A6E Intruders went back in time to WW2 and were stationed in England. With a squadron of KA6D tankers. Would they be able to bomb Berlin? Intruders flying at tree top level, 18,000 pounds of ordinance per plane over Europe.
fun idea Cap same mission but everyone gets to pick their favorite Aircraft to fly see how that matches up
Stupid hypothetical. How about would a squadron of F35 won the Battle of Dunkirk? How about a squadron of F22? What about a 30 F4 Phantoms? Will 25 F15E do the job? 🤦♂️
DCS has an issue where modern firepower is much less effective than it should be, when dealing with certain older aircraft. I've seen the same thing on other's dogfighting videos, when doing modern vs WWII, or older, again, various select aircraft, not universal.
The one thing all these "WHAT IF" scenarios never include is that today's military cannot function without satellites. You don't just send one F 22 with one bomb to Berlin to kill Hitler and end the war. The support infrastructure is what enable these powerful weapons to do what they can do. Doesn't matter how badass an A 10 is if it cannot find the target without satellite communications. Without satellites all combat aircraft would be haplessly wandering the skies and only just as effective as WWII combat aircraft. So when we think an AH 64 or an M1 or an F 15 EX could do so much more there'd need to be eyes in the sky telling them where to go and what to shoot. We have effectively evolved from spray and pray to sniping. Why send 900 B 17's and B 24's when one B 1 could do the trick with a single laser guided munition?
When the F-15E is damaged especially when a wing is broke/shot off the server registers it as a kill or something similar. It puts the plane in an odd state, this consistently happens to me. You can still fly pretty well on 1 wing and even continue semi accurate iron bomb runs but yep, no map icon, things get weird.
How do JDAMs work in 1940? Magical time traveling GPS satellites?
It seems the ukranians have got their hands on quite a few ATACMS and are taking out both S400's and land target well within russian territory. My question is whether your S400 model has been too effective inside DCS, since shooting down 4 ATACMS wouldn't seem too impossible for an S400 site. Is it possible the S400 has been overestimated?
I've seen a bunch of these what ifs and sure the shear destructive power would be overwhelming but what about day 2, back then was there compatible fuel, also ground power for engine start, would it be available? how about the runways, are they robust enough to handle a B1 fully loaded and long enough? Replacement weapons, were bombs back then compatible with the modern shackle arrangements, also what about the drop characteristics of older bombs. This'll win any battle but Logistics wins Wars.
Can the A10 run a full loadout with nothing but sidewinders, or are those pylons different? It seems like it would be better vs warbirds with that loadout.
Modern technology is great at reducing friendly casualties and achieving objectives but in financial terms it's a disaster. You could probably build, maintain, arm and crew a WW2 fighter plane for much less than the cost of the missile a F18 would use to take it out. Likewise bunkers are just a large mass of concrete and rebar. You'd go bankrupt way before the enemy if you started with the same resources.