I'm having my first learning sessions on the 1850. It's made those first onfoil rides so simple.... 5th session and I'm already gybing! 232 stab & 60cm fuse
Armstrong and Grateful Dead Nice Combo! Killer info with great insight on this stuff. Thank You. I am absolutely loving the 1250 for Winging in the Gorge.
Thanks for the great review! Currently winging/SUP foiling the 1850, 72, 232. 0 shim feels more positive in turns but a bit slower. +1 shim seems to up the speed but turning feels slightly more vague. Been a little while since I was on the +1 and need to try it again. 1850 has amazing range for winging and different sized surf (I'm using it often in too much wind or surf that's more suitable for a smaller foil). Have the 1250 on order along with the 85 mast. Can't wait!
Nice review Bri, thank you. For me, I prefer the negative 2 shim. Surprisingly and contrary to current thought, it gives me more lift, therefore more guide and speed...so much so, I had to move my mast back further on my board. Definitely -2 shim for me...I froth on it :))))
Hi Brian. I am looking to get into Wing Foiling. I windsurfed and sailed ages ago, so Wing Foiling looks like a really minimalist way to get back into this, without ever (likely) getting caught out at sea paddling forever, and low impact for my aging bones. I've lived on Kauai for decades and for all the gobs of videos covering Maui, there is basically nothing that is Kauai specific for winging/foiling. I really appreciate that you note "Wing" specific set-up vs. Prone surf/downwind foils. Please try to upload some Wing foiling sessions, if you get time. This really helps newbies like me to study form and setups. Thank you!
Aloha! Wing foiling is definitely a great way to get out there (and get back haha!) All the action is going down on Instagram. I have a page there with tons of winging action. Check it out. much aloha, Brian
Don't want to be picky, I have a 0 shim never thought it could make any big difference, also a pilot, there is a misinterpretation of stabilizer trim, the PLUS on stab trims is when it pushes the nose UP. I maybe wrong, but Armstrong inverted the + sign with -, therefore the + (it is actually MINUS) lowers the nose and reduces INDUCED DRAG on the stab, thus becoming faster
@@foiltheworld8917 me too brother, tons of shows!!! I even went and saw dead and company a couple years ago which was better than I thought it would be.
Intermediate prone foiler here, got an Armstrong setup a few weeks ago (1850+1250, 60 fuse, 72 mast, 232), have had around 15-20 sessions on it so far. Still learning to pump and connect waves so I've been mostly going out on the 1850 to get the pump going, only hada few sessions on the 1250 when waves were bigger. First impressions overall on Armstrong HS: glide is amazing! Only used the 0deg shim so far, but yesterday tried out the +1 with the HS1850 in waist to shoulder mushburgers and wow! Seems like it wants to go even faster! Pitch control seemed easier too, especially at speed. Seems you prefer the +1 shim for all wings too? Any time you prefer the 0 deg?
I'm feeling the same as you with +1 for sure! 0 maybe when it's smaller and weaker and need more lift, but that's when I just go to an 1850 and it seems to get it done for me. Thanks for your input!
Greg, I'm about to pull the trigger myself on a HS1850/HS1250 combo. I'm trying to decide if I want the HS1250 or HS1550 for prone surfing. I weigh 160 pounds. Do you have any regrets about your HS1250 being too small and hard to prone surf? I'm intermediate behind a jet ski on foil and beginner/intermediate on prone surf foiling. But I do some years of regular surfing experience. Just trying to make the right purchase since they cost so much. Look forward to your feedback!
@@akelly1983 I'm 165lbs+wetsuit. I've been using the 1850 a lot in the surf, up to waist/shoulder high. Mostly because I'm learning to pump still and with the larger surface area it should be easier. Once I got the mast position dialed, and using the +1 shim, I found that the takeoff was still manageable on bigger waves and the top end speed still super high. The 1250 is amazing too, but you need to keep it up to speed to maintain lift. It's super fast though. However since smaller waves move slower, you have to keep the speed of the foil up by making turns and going across the wave a lot. Something I'm also still learning so I feel I can't make full use of the 1250 yet. It's super easy on takeoff and the pitch control is very fluid and smooth though, but then because it's so fast I tend to outrun the wave, lose speed and stall. A good foiler would have already turned left or right to stay in the wave's energy zone, that's where I'm at in my learning process now. But I like it a lot because it gives me a sense of where I'll need to get and what to focus on in my progression. In bigger waves (shoulder+) it's been super sick though as I don't outrun the wave, and then you just enjoy the glide and nimbleness off it. The 1550 has a slightly different shape, whereas the 1250 and 1850 are almost scaled versions of each other, so I'm not sure how the 1550 compares.
@@akelly1983 I’m your size and surf and wing the 1250 most. I went back to my 1550 and it rolls rail to rail a little easier but doesn’t have the top end speed or pump of the 1250.
Great review! Looking forward to hearing a review of the 1050 while winging. Have you ever ridden the CF2400? Wondering how it compares to the 1850 for winging.
I’ve got both the 2400 and 1850 for winging. I find my v1 2400 is ‘the session saver’ wing. It can maybe handle a mph or two lower wind speed for launch personally. I haven’t sold it because of that reason. Both are great. 1850 is better though if the conditions are above borderline. 150 lbs.
@@grahamreed8443 Thanks for the input. I currently own the 2400 and learned to wing on it. I've really enjoyed it so far, stable, turns and carves surprisingly well and fast enough to learn on and still be fun. However, I am going to want something more 'high performance' soon. The 1250 has great reviews, just not sure it would be big enough for me. I'm 180 lbs. Seems like the 1850 would be the next step in progression.
Merry Christmas Sir plz as my father is not in job due to lockdown I want to help my family plz becoume ready to help me I told my family that foil the world will help me As he he is connected with you 😂😂
I'm having my first learning sessions on the 1850. It's made those first onfoil rides so simple.... 5th session and I'm already gybing! 232 stab & 60cm fuse
That's great, quick learner!!
@@foiltheworld8917 I moved up to the MA1225 and already drooling over an HA V2.
Thanks for sharing, happy foiling
Armstrong and Grateful Dead Nice Combo! Killer info with great insight on this stuff. Thank You. I am absolutely loving the 1250 for Winging in the Gorge.
I am lusting after that 1850/1250 set up. Thanks for the review. You should insert a few clips of you and your buddies ripping it up.
I agree with you on splicing in footage.
Thanks for the great review! Currently winging/SUP foiling the 1850, 72, 232. 0 shim feels more positive in turns but a bit slower. +1 shim seems to up the speed but turning feels slightly more vague. Been a little while since I was on the +1 and need to try it again. 1850 has amazing range for winging and different sized surf (I'm using it often in too much wind or surf that's more suitable for a smaller foil). Have the 1250 on order along with the 85 mast. Can't wait!
Thanks for the feedback Stephanie! Sounds like we're feeling smiler stuff with the shimming. The 1250 & 85 is an incredible upgrade, you're gonna rip!
Nice review Bri, thank you. For me, I prefer the negative 2 shim. Surprisingly and contrary to current thought, it gives me more lift, therefore more guide and speed...so much so, I had to move my mast back further on my board. Definitely -2 shim for me...I froth on it :))))
Thanks! That's interesting. I know another guy that says the same. Soo many variables, so hard to say what is what haha!
Hi Brian. I am looking to get into Wing Foiling. I windsurfed and sailed ages ago, so Wing Foiling looks like a really minimalist way to get back into this, without ever (likely) getting caught out at sea paddling forever, and low impact for my aging bones. I've lived on Kauai for decades and for all the gobs of videos covering Maui, there is basically nothing that is Kauai specific for winging/foiling. I really appreciate that you note "Wing" specific set-up vs. Prone surf/downwind foils. Please try to upload some Wing foiling sessions, if you get time. This really helps newbies like me to study form and setups. Thank you!
Aloha! Wing foiling is definitely a great way to get out there (and get back haha!)
All the action is going down on Instagram. I have a page there with tons of winging action. Check it out. much aloha,
Brian
@@foiltheworld8917 Thank you. I'll check it out.
Don't want to be picky, I have a 0 shim never thought it could make any big difference, also a pilot, there is a misinterpretation of stabilizer trim, the PLUS on stab trims is when it pushes the nose UP. I maybe wrong, but Armstrong inverted the + sign with -, therefore the + (it is actually MINUS) lowers the nose and reduces INDUCED DRAG on the stab, thus becoming faster
you're absolutely correct on this! Mahalos!
Nice review! 🤙
Mahalos Nuzzo!!
Like your choice of shirt Brian!!! Rick Griffin, Grateful Dead, Cali, surf shirt. Great graphic for sure.
haha thanks! I went to many, many shows as a hippie kid!
@@foiltheworld8917 me too brother, tons of shows!!! I even went and saw dead and company a couple years ago which was better than I thought it would be.
Intermediate prone foiler here, got an Armstrong setup a few weeks ago (1850+1250, 60 fuse, 72 mast, 232), have had around 15-20 sessions on it so far. Still learning to pump and connect waves so I've been mostly going out on the 1850 to get the pump going, only hada few sessions on the 1250 when waves were bigger. First impressions overall on Armstrong HS: glide is amazing! Only used the 0deg shim so far, but yesterday tried out the +1 with the HS1850 in waist to shoulder mushburgers and wow! Seems like it wants to go even faster! Pitch control seemed easier too, especially at speed. Seems you prefer the +1 shim for all wings too? Any time you prefer the 0 deg?
I'm feeling the same as you with +1 for sure! 0 maybe when it's smaller and weaker and need more lift, but that's when I just go to an 1850 and it seems to get it done for me. Thanks for your input!
Greg, I'm about to pull the trigger myself on a HS1850/HS1250 combo. I'm trying to decide if I want the HS1250 or HS1550 for prone surfing. I weigh 160 pounds. Do you have any regrets about your HS1250 being too small and hard to prone surf? I'm intermediate behind a jet ski on foil and beginner/intermediate on prone surf foiling. But I do some years of regular surfing experience. Just trying to make the right purchase since they cost so much. Look forward to your feedback!
@@akelly1983 I'm 165lbs+wetsuit. I've been using the 1850 a lot in the surf, up to waist/shoulder high. Mostly because I'm learning to pump still and with the larger surface area it should be easier. Once I got the mast position dialed, and using the +1 shim, I found that the takeoff was still manageable on bigger waves and the top end speed still super high.
The 1250 is amazing too, but you need to keep it up to speed to maintain lift. It's super fast though. However since smaller waves move slower, you have to keep the speed of the foil up by making turns and going across the wave a lot. Something I'm also still learning so I feel I can't make full use of the 1250 yet. It's super easy on takeoff and the pitch control is very fluid and smooth though, but then because it's so fast I tend to outrun the wave, lose speed and stall. A good foiler would have already turned left or right to stay in the wave's energy zone, that's where I'm at in my learning process now. But I like it a lot because it gives me a sense of where I'll need to get and what to focus on in my progression. In bigger waves (shoulder+) it's been super sick though as I don't outrun the wave, and then you just enjoy the glide and nimbleness off it. The 1550 has a slightly different shape, whereas the 1250 and 1850 are almost scaled versions of each other, so I'm not sure how the 1550 compares.
@@greg.ocallaghan Thanks for taking the time to reply. Very helpful!
@@akelly1983 I’m your size and surf and wing the 1250 most. I went back to my 1550 and it rolls rail to rail a little easier but doesn’t have the top end speed or pump of the 1250.
Brian, do you have the HA925? If so, a review of that, especially how it compares to the HS1050 for prone surfing, would be da kine.
Muchísimas gracias 😊
Con gusto amigos!
Great review! Looking forward to hearing a review of the 1050 while winging. Have you ever ridden the CF2400? Wondering how it compares to the 1850 for winging.
I’ve got both the 2400 and 1850 for winging. I find my v1 2400 is ‘the session saver’ wing. It can maybe handle a mph or two lower wind speed for launch personally. I haven’t sold it because of that reason. Both are great. 1850 is better though if the conditions are above borderline. 150 lbs.
Mahalos Bryan! I've watched the CF2400 in person but never tried. It's very slow and just too much surface area for my taste.
I can imagine the 2400 allowing you to get up in very low speeds.
@@grahamreed8443 Thanks for the input. I currently own the 2400 and learned to wing on it. I've really enjoyed it so far, stable, turns and carves surprisingly well and fast enough to learn on and still be fun. However, I am going to want something more 'high performance' soon. The 1250 has great reviews, just not sure it would be big enough for me. I'm 180 lbs. Seems like the 1850 would be the next step in progression.
Thanks for the vid. How fast can you go with the 1250 with a 5qm wing in 15 knots of wind?
Merry Christmas Sir plz as my father is not in job due to lockdown I want to help my family plz becoume ready to help me I told my family that foil the world will help me
As he he is connected with you 😂😂