The Analog Devices IC ADM3251E is an Isolated Single Channel RS-232 Line Driver/Receiver used to control the fume extractor. The isolation is between the soldering station and the fume extractor both of which are earthed on the AC mains.
JBC can "adjust" the temperature - kind of calibration of the tip. Thermal transfer depends on tip type very much! In production you need just one setting, in best case locked. So you can use anything, choosing the long term cheaper. I prefer the simplest wellers. I'm using JBC tools also for reworking job - very productive, very comfortable and very expensive..
Is there a noticeable difference with the tips? I solder only leadfree solder and currently have only a solder station with T900 tips, which last not long at 290~330°C
Hi, I was looking for a simple and robust soldering station with a linear power supply, I liked the JBC BT-2BWA but it costs too much, what do you recommend ?
I got a JBC DIT-1B about 10 years ago. It's has the stackable control unit with a separate stand for the iron. I love it! Not sure why people complain about the tips, mine have lasted just fine. I liked it so much that I bought their micro-tweezers station as well.
"Not sure why people complain about the tips" Because they try to save a couple of bucks and buy then off AliExpress from China. They also complain about the cost of them but at least here in Australia they're actually cheaper than Metcal, Weller, etc.
The JBC Plastic looks way better,and I wouldn't be surprised if it had glass fiber reinforcement in the plastic. Personally if you have the money buy the JBC if I remember correctly the price of the JBC was a little over twice that of the BEST,I was think it would be four times more expensive,for all that quality,it is worth it,even as a hobbyist. Thanks for your review,it was excellent!
I have a couple of the Xsoldering JBC-like stations. I say JBC-like, because they're very different internally and despite the handles looking just like T210's, they have different wiring so you can't use geniune JBC handles with the stations, thought they do take genuine JBC tips (and even included 3 genuine tips!). They seem to perform well, but I'm curious to do an overshoot test with them like you did (I have that same iron temperature probe). I am looking at replacing them with either one of the dual geniune JBC DDU stations, or a dual clone - I got the two Xsoldering stations hoping to use one with a T245 handle and one with a T210, but as I say they're not actually T210's so the T245 doesn't work with them unfortunately. A word of caution on clone tips, I have had some brand-new ones start glowing red hot instantly they were plugged into the handle and get so hot that the tips fell off in the few seconds before I could shut off the station. Thankfully I solder on a the metal base of my microscope so nothing caught fire! I have a JBC NASE Nano Rework Station as I do primarily microsoldering, and, despite being only 14W, I reach for it for 90% of my non-microsoldering jobs too as it handles them no problem. JBC's are magic I swear.
Even though I didn't notice any performance differences between the few clone tips that I have and the JBC original I would also recommend getting JBC genuine tips as they can usually be found as new old stock or slightly used on various international or local websites for almost the cost of the clone tips from China. At one point I bought a bunch of genuine JBC tips for something like $3 a piece from a local auction type website.
Bro! I just had 3 tips strait melt down almost immediately in my aixun t420d! Thankfully they were just cheap amazon tips labeled magma. The aixun tip seems fine and the jbc tips work seemingly. Have not tested a jbc tip in the 245 side yet though
i am curious, giving JBC the same amount of money that the clone costs, can JBC make something the same as the clone？i mean in real production with packaging and everything and still making profits.
Even the chinese can not make the clone cheaper than JBC. They had to cut corners all over the place to be cheaper , but if I look at the price of the clone , no thank you. Maybe if the price would be 1/3 of the JBC. Another thing is can we even call it a clone ? Only the enclosures are similar , everything else what matters is different. Not to mention warranty ,support and all that.
Thanks for this video and for your job. I have Aixun T3-A with T-245 handle and I am really satisfied with it. If you have time and willingness, I want to see that soldering station review and teardown. Thanks in advance.
Let me point out that the clone is a copy of the original JBC design, which they have evidentially improved recently. So when will the clones catch up with the new improvements?
I'm looking into buying a (JBC) or (Ersa) soldering station (new one that recently came out), but I wonder why the hell are the JBC tips so expensive compared to the rest? The JBC is a nice looking station and at least doesn't look like an ugly toy (HAKKO).
I know it's a year late, but, cartridge tips are expensive because they have the heating element and thermocouple built into the tip. You can get clone tips for as low as 5-10$ each, reputable 3rd party ones cost 10-20$ each, and official JBC cost 20-30$ each.
I have a jbc clone with the 210 handle and I cannot find a good source for tips anywhere. 3 tips are 200cad with shipping from a reseller in the US and I'm having trouble finding a source in Canada. I want a beveled and chisel tip but I can't justify the price so I'm stuck with the only 3 garbage shapes you can get on ali express. I meant to order the 235 one and thought I did and purchased 3 tips that I'll be stuck with they arrive. Ali express delivery to Canada is like 2 months and I paid 50 for shipping. They could've used DHL for that price like pcbway do.
@@voltlog yeah, but only a cursory search. I've seen the jbc catalog so I know the tips I want at there. Hopefully the station gets here soon then I'll sort it out. I've got a bunch of projects on the go.
What may also have been a very interesting question to answer: How does a clone station perform with a genuine JBC tip? As most of the 'magic' happens in the tip of the unit.
You should consider getting a Really universal soldering controller from Dangerous Prototypes, its a DIY Solderingstation that can be build for many different tips and works incredibly well. Of course its quite different, but you can get finished PCBs from China so you dont have to solder the PCB yourself. I think it would be very interesting to see how well this compares to a finished fake and genuine JLC.
One of the things I appreciate on both the BEST and the JBC is the form factor, the whole package, the ergonomy. You can never get that with a DIY soldering station, so I'm not keen on trying that out no matter how good it is.
Looks like the best unit is a clone of an older JBC station. The genuine JBC stations used to have the same three button interface as this. Also they've clearly improved the overshoot compensation on the new JBC station.
Not really improved. Even the higher priced stations keeps overshooting. Maybe this is desirable, i don't know. From hibernation mode to working condition pass 3-4 sec, enough to place the tip over a joint which cools down. Or they just can't manage this fast heating so precise.
Good review! I currently have the JABE UD1200 C245 station and I've been using it for 3 years without issue. I did opt to buy the JBC dual station for the C210 & C115 though. I purchased my JBC used and got it at a crazy marked down price. Some of the clones work well and then there's some that are terrible. I did recently but the "NEW/UPDATED" AIXUN T3B C210-C115 universal soldering station and with genuine JBC tips I cant tell the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
No difference between a JBC and a clone. Got a Sugon Aifen A9 Plus and its great. Difference is in the quality of the tips. Just dont be the cheapest tips and u are all fine.
Overshoot 5%(derivative coefficient a bit high) is a must for soldering station it shortens heat up, recovery time when tip touches cold joint. Copper bar test is inadequate
jbc not recommended at all for rip off price , other companies just doing fine. as long as u have good transformer based station it will last and perform well when thermal mass is big.
In my humble opinion, this station is way too expensive for a so so quality product. It sounds to me like a ksger station with hakko tips is a better choice. It is not as integrated as this Best unit, you need to buy a holder, and the esthetics may not be as attractive, but it is WAY cheaper, and probably as good. Buying the real JBC also makes sense: it costs money, but it is a quality product.
I've used a hakko T12 clone for a good while, they get the job done and are good value for money, however there is no question about it, even a JBC clone is superior.
The Analog Devices IC ADM3251E is an Isolated Single Channel RS-232 Line Driver/Receiver used to control the fume extractor. The isolation is between the soldering station and the fume extractor both of which are earthed on the AC mains.
JBC can "adjust" the temperature - kind of calibration of the tip. Thermal transfer depends on tip type very much!
In production you need just one setting, in best case locked. So you can use anything, choosing the long term cheaper. I prefer the simplest wellers. I'm using JBC tools also for reworking job - very productive, very comfortable and very expensive..
Is there a noticeable difference with the tips? I solder only leadfree solder and currently have only a solder station with T900 tips, which last not long at 290~330°C
Hi, I was looking for a simple and robust soldering station with a linear power supply, I liked the JBC BT-2BWA but it costs too much, what do you recommend ?
Why are they using transformers instead of switching power supply?
Any body know why my soldering handle replacement doesnt work ? Its showing no tool information
I got a JBC DIT-1B about 10 years ago. It's has the stackable control unit with a separate stand for the iron. I love it! Not sure why people complain about the tips, mine have lasted just fine. I liked it so much that I bought their micro-tweezers station as well.
"Not sure why people complain about the tips"
Because they try to save a couple of bucks and buy then off AliExpress from China.
They also complain about the cost of them but at least here in Australia they're actually cheaper than Metcal, Weller, etc.
But how do they solder is the temps kept at the right levels .....................
The JBC Plastic looks way better,and I wouldn't be surprised if it had glass fiber reinforcement in the plastic.
Personally if you have the money buy the JBC if I remember correctly the price of the JBC was a little over twice that of the BEST,I was think it would be four times more expensive,for all that quality,it is worth it,even as a hobbyist.
Thanks for your review,it was excellent!
I have a couple of the Xsoldering JBC-like stations. I say JBC-like, because they're very different internally and despite the handles looking just like T210's, they have different wiring so you can't use geniune JBC handles with the stations, thought they do take genuine JBC tips (and even included 3 genuine tips!). They seem to perform well, but I'm curious to do an overshoot test with them like you did (I have that same iron temperature probe). I am looking at replacing them with either one of the dual geniune JBC DDU stations, or a dual clone - I got the two Xsoldering stations hoping to use one with a T245 handle and one with a T210, but as I say they're not actually T210's so the T245 doesn't work with them unfortunately. A word of caution on clone tips, I have had some brand-new ones start glowing red hot instantly they were plugged into the handle and get so hot that the tips fell off in the few seconds before I could shut off the station. Thankfully I solder on a the metal base of my microscope so nothing caught fire!
I have a JBC NASE Nano Rework Station as I do primarily microsoldering, and, despite being only 14W, I reach for it for 90% of my non-microsoldering jobs too as it handles them no problem. JBC's are magic I swear.
Even though I didn't notice any performance differences between the few clone tips that I have and the JBC original I would also recommend getting JBC genuine tips as they can usually be found as new old stock or slightly used on various international or local websites for almost the cost of the clone tips from China. At one point I bought a bunch of genuine JBC tips for something like $3 a piece from a local auction type website.
Bro! I just had 3 tips strait melt down almost immediately in my aixun t420d! Thankfully they were just cheap amazon tips labeled magma. The aixun tip seems fine and the jbc tips work seemingly. Have not tested a jbc tip in the 245 side yet though
i am curious, giving JBC the same amount of money that the clone costs, can JBC make something the same as the clone？i mean in real production with packaging and everything and still making profits.
Even the chinese can not make the clone cheaper than JBC. They had to cut corners all over the place to be cheaper , but if I look at the price of the clone , no thank you. Maybe if the price would be 1/3 of the JBC. Another thing is can we even call it a clone ? Only the enclosures are similar , everything else what matters is different. Not to mention warranty ,support and all that.
I bought a yihua at $40 less than 1/10 of a genuine.
What kind of fume extractor do you use?
Thanks for this video and for your job. I have Aixun T3-A with T-245 handle and I am really satisfied with it. If you have time and willingness, I want to see that soldering station review and teardown. Thanks in advance.
is it still working properly?
@@Sajid-lp9ss Yes, it is working fine. I bought genuine JBC T-245 tips and use them every day without any problem.
@@norbithehun what about the included Aixun tip?
@@Sajid-lp9ss I use the blade tip only, because the other two are too fine and they can transfer tiny bit of heat.
@@norbithehun I mean did the included one perform well?
Let me point out that the clone is a copy of the original JBC design, which they have evidentially improved recently. So when will the clones catch up with the new improvements?
I really want to recreate that jbc cable holder thingy
It's a shame they changed to this rigid steel wire style. The old silver springs were way better!
I'm looking into buying a (JBC) or (Ersa) soldering station (new one that recently came out), but I wonder why the hell are the JBC tips so expensive compared to the rest? The JBC is a nice looking station and at least doesn't look like an ugly toy (HAKKO).
I know it's a year late, but, cartridge tips are expensive because they have the heating element and thermocouple built into the tip. You can get clone tips for as low as 5-10$ each, reputable 3rd party ones cost 10-20$ each, and official JBC cost 20-30$ each.
@ 🙏 thanks a lot, good to know the reason why and it makes sense.
@@sonyx5332 They last a really long time if you take good care of them. I bought a TS100 when they came out, and have yet to have a tip go bad.
I have a jbc clone with the 210 handle and I cannot find a good source for tips anywhere. 3 tips are 200cad with shipping from a reseller in the US and I'm having trouble finding a source in Canada. I want a beveled and chisel tip but I can't justify the price so I'm stuck with the only 3 garbage shapes you can get on ali express. I meant to order the 235 one and thought I did and purchased 3 tips that I'll be stuck with they arrive. Ali express delivery to Canada is like 2 months and I paid 50 for shipping. They could've used DHL for that price like pcbway do.
Have you tried searching ebay for JBC tips?
@@voltlog yeah, but only a cursory search. I've seen the jbc catalog so I know the tips I want at there. Hopefully the station gets here soon then I'll sort it out. I've got a bunch of projects on the go.
you must the temperature on the best station adjust - calibrate before you solder with that !
Bonus footage. 🙂 🙂
What may also have been a very interesting question to answer: How does a clone station perform with a genuine JBC tip? As most of the 'magic' happens in the tip of the unit.
Tests in this video were performed with a genuine JBC tip.
You should consider getting a Really universal soldering controller from Dangerous Prototypes, its a DIY Solderingstation that can be build for many different tips and works incredibly well. Of course its quite different, but you can get finished PCBs from China so you dont have to solder the PCB yourself.
I think it would be very interesting to see how well this compares to a finished fake and genuine JLC.
One of the things I appreciate on both the BEST and the JBC is the form factor, the whole package, the ergonomy. You can never get that with a DIY soldering station, so I'm not keen on trying that out no matter how good it is.
Looks like the best unit is a clone of an older JBC station.
The genuine JBC stations used to have the same three button interface as this. Also they've clearly improved the overshoot compensation on the new JBC station.
Not really improved. Even the higher priced stations keeps overshooting. Maybe this is desirable, i don't know. From hibernation mode to working condition pass 3-4 sec, enough to place the tip over a joint which cools down. Or they just can't manage this fast heating so precise.
Good review! I currently have the JABE UD1200 C245 station and I've been using it for 3 years without issue. I did opt to buy the JBC dual station for the C210 & C115 though. I purchased my JBC used and got it at a crazy marked down price. Some of the clones work well and then there's some that are terrible. I did recently but the "NEW/UPDATED" AIXUN T3B C210-C115 universal soldering station and with genuine JBC tips I cant tell the difference. Thanks for the comparison.
Hi, which soldering station do you recommend at the moment ?
No difference between a JBC and a clone. Got a Sugon Aifen A9 Plus and its great. Difference is in the quality of the tips. Just dont be the cheapest tips and u are all fine.
Why a DSP is necessary for a desolder station? Rocket science for a temperature controlled tip and a vacuum pump... Wow!
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Overshoot 5%(derivative coefficient a bit high) is a must for soldering station it shortens heat up, recovery time when tip touches cold joint. Copper bar test is inadequate
jbc not recommended at all for rip off price , other companies just doing fine. as long as u have good transformer based station it will last and perform well when thermal mass is big.
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Good quality but it's over priced. Maybe not for hobbyist
In my humble opinion, this station is way too expensive for a so so quality product. It sounds to me like a ksger station with hakko tips is a better choice. It is not as integrated as this Best unit, you need to buy a holder, and the esthetics may not be as attractive, but it is WAY cheaper, and probably as good. Buying the real JBC also makes sense: it costs money, but it is a quality product.
I've used a hakko T12 clone for a good while, they get the job done and are good value for money, however there is no question about it, even a JBC clone is superior.
Just get the aixun t3a or t3b
Keep it up, thanks for sharing :)
If I wan to buy JBC blower soldering station I have sale one of my kidney 😩😖
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So the JBC is BEST!!
Bro can you give away this to me 🥺
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