Deuce Winch basic operation and info.
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Today I go over how the Deuce's winch works and a few basic details about the standard winch M35A2 winch. This is simply an overview and more detailed info will be in later videos. If you enjoyed this video please give me a like and be sure to subscribe for future channel updates as I plan to put up a new video every week or two. Welcome to my channel BC's Deuce and Guns! 
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This truck was the workhorse of the Military. Take it from an old soldier. The M35 Deuce was a beast!! US Army SFC Retired Iraq Vet
Confed Vet : Thank you for your service Sir!.
Kind regards!, Eric Dee.
You are absolutely right! I am a Gulf war vet and those tough old trucks were used by us as well old Vietnam war era workhorses in the sand!
And still in use
Hi. I just found your channel, like it a lot, and sorry for the late comments. A few things about use of the winch coming from a retired MD who grew up on a farm, with extensive experience with both light duty and heavy equipment.
1. Absolutely wear heavy leather gloves when using the winch, as the cable will fray after the first real use and a thousand little steel wires will SHRED your hands. (Previously mentioned by another viewer)
2. Safety Glasses. Stuff flies when things move.
3. Get a heavy duty snatch block, along with a tree protecting strap for attaching the snatch block to the tree. (Snatch Block = Heavy Duty Pulley). Running your cable through the snatch block and back to your truck DOUBLES the weight limit of your winch cable and reduces by half the work that the winch has to do in pulling your truck out of the muck or in pulling whatever you are moving with the winch. Winches break and parts will not be readily available in the event of a shtf situation, so by all means, do not stress your gear that your life might depend on.
4. I'm not certain about your winch, but most use the lower cable retrieval gear for actual winching activity. This is a much lower gear ratio which gives the winch much greater power, and will also minimize the chance of wrecking both your winch and your transmission/PTO mechanism. The high speed gear is typically used when respooling the cable back onto the winch under no load. You will truly be amazed at what can be moved by your winch when using both a snatch block and a low gear ratio. A 5 ton winch becomes a 10 ton winch!
5. Lastly, if you are trying to move something besides your truck, backing your truck up to a large tree or other stationary object and anchoring your truck to the tree with a heavy duty strap will prevent the truck from sliding across the ground and ensure that the object needing to be moved will move. Plus, you won't burn up either your tires or your breaks in trying to keep the deuce in place.
6. One other thing about the snatch block. You can use it to move your vehicle around trees or other objects when stuck in a densely wooded area. Attach the snatch block to a tree in line with the direction that you need to travel. After running the cable through the pulley, you then can attach the cable to a more distant tree in line with the direction that you ultimately need to go after making the turn, with your vehicle now unstuck, but still needing help to climb a wet slippery hill. (This is a three point winch set rather than a two point). Wish I could draw a diagram here but hopefully I've explained it well enough.
Thanks for a great video!
Every time I come back to your channel and watch another video about your deuce and a half it makes me want one more and more!
Great job, bud. Keep it up!
same I just keep watching them maybe we can go for a trip in our deuces when I get mine
Same here,either a M923A2 or a M939 series comes to my mind....even though I would honestly go for the Deuce A2 since it's a multifuel engine...too bad I live in europe and getting one of them over here is probably more expensive than buying it in the first place,let alone getting it registered...
Thanks for another good, informative video. Always wondered why ALL the trucks didn't have a winch.
watched 5 times in a row to figure out how to use my winch. Thanks Deuce!
Great job Buddy, I recently purchased one and I'm learning operations thanks to you !!! Subscribed!!
Hi. Thank you for the video. We actually looked the vinch and didn't know how to operate it properly.
Learning a lot from your videos and enjoying them, have progressed from a 42 GPW to a deuce n a half here in Ireland. Have experience of big trucks but the deuce seems to have some "quirky" differences that truck people here don't grasp. Alfie
Clear and concise. Thank you.
Love the deuce videos
Awesome tutorial 👍🇺🇸
Fantastic video, keep it up. I just got my first deuce and was looking for information on operation of the winch. There are a few videos on this subject but none this complete.
Awesome , Thanks for sharing the knowledge ....
Nicely made video. Well done.
we like the deuce videos and find them very helpful
Thanks and if you have any ideas for future videos let me know because I'm always looking for good ideas. Also, what in the heck are you shooting in that pic?
MG42 with MG1A1 parts in 7.62 nato
A Hitler's zipper chambered in NATO? You Sir are doing it right.
Make sure you have spare shearpins for the winch , back when I drove them in Army people would use low grade bolt and not the correct pins. When using the winch is another time to use throttle control. 2 of them I was the operator for had a winch. dang fine vehicles.
great video,,,,thanks
The M35A3 uses the same Garwood Winch, they just replaced the PTO shaft with hydraulic motor driven by a PTO pump. The winch on a A3 is able to be operated inside the cab and outside the cab.
TRUE AMERICAN Living!!!..if I could mow my 4 acres with an m48,m60a2 or m1 Abrams..i would!!..Great video..suscribed!!👍👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
I have been thinking about buying a duce & 1/2 for about a week now. I just watched your entire video series on the subject. Awesome videos btw! Now I've got to justify that purchase, that's a lot of coin for just a toy.
Well it's October and the Deuce is a perfect prop for a Rambo costume...Purchase justified.
***** lol awesome excuse.
***** I have a video request. It has a multi fueled engine, can you go into depth on that. You like to run you're used motor oil, is there a certain oil to diesel ratio that you must use? Can you run straight oil? Can you run on straight kerosene? etc........ that would be a great vid! Imo....
That video is on my list thanks for the idea.
***** Thanks brother!
G'day BC,....
When you do your next winch Vid how about including 'winch cable care'?
I use my old engine oil to lube/protect my winch cable from rust and corrosion as I go through the occasional water crossing in my 4x4 when out hunting/camping.
So just a thought.
Aussie.
Hi on the winch is the same speed as 1st gear in high range. Low speed on the winch is the same speed as 1st gear in low range.
Love your vids! But remember...safety first! I would probably be wearing at least some medium gloves before grabbing that winch cable. Digging out spurs from your hand isn't a pleasant experience.
Michael Valdez no it's not especially higher tensile strength military winch cable
Gloves brother, those winch cables will cut the crap out of your hand,
Your right..but those cables looked BRAND NEW
Customsouthernarms it's not as expensive as you might think. It depends on the shape and the features you are looking for. It depends on your need. If you didn't have the cash on hand you can easily get one of these and pay less than 100/month! Not that expensive when you think of what used cars go for its a drop in the bucket.
Please explain if to use the PTO winch you have to shift the transfer case in neutral and if then you have to also keep the transmission in neutral or select a gear.
Will do you more videos in depth on the winch?
I just installed my winch on my M35a2 I want to service it is there an oil or grease I use and where do I add fluids and when do I know it's full can you help thanks
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I have a question. If you were dragging something to the truck, could you have the PTO engaged and turning and do all the engaging and de-clutching of the winch directly at the bumper?
I trained my men in the art of using a winch on a Deuce or a 5 ton almost 50 years ago. I would bury a Deuce in a swamp -floorboard deep where it gets a really good suction. Then I would run the winch. Heaps of fun!
Great videos but always throw an old blanket or jacket over the cable.
I have 2 winch trucks and both of them don't shift nearly as nice as your PTO does do you have any suggestions
I have a MUCH better understanding of PTO winch operation now but one question remains. Can the truck's drivetrain be engaged to help while winching or does this system strictly engage the drivetrain OR the winch but never both ?
Bc how would you unjam a winch that has been overwound?
Is there a way to "Launch" the winch hook like a Harpoon Gun?😎
It comes down to the hidden In/Out safety hinge.
Maybe add a flat blade anchor for mud or sand if no trees around... Thank you for the great video ! tjl
You would need a few of them for the weight of the truck.
Always hook with point up ( -u ) as it will fly down if hook breaks. Supposedly draping a chain over wire rope will prevent it from flailing back at you (Never used that technique any time I broke a cable so don't know for sure.
Also if using wire rope clips on cable end for hook attachment, saddle part goes on the "live end" of the cable and the u bolt part on the "dead end". This can be remembered by the saying "Never saddle a dead horse"
Not sure if I just did not understand you. The U (saddle) goes over the cable that is the load, the long part, the bottom of the saddle the part that tightens up with the nuts goes over the short piece the end of the cable. The dead horse is the short piece with no load, so the saddle the U goes over the load part of the cable the long part. The strap that tightens up to the short cable piece has little teeth to keep it from sliding, if you put it the other way the short piece of cable can slide out of the U even if you over tighten it. And for anybody arounds sake do not use wire rope on a winch on something that size. If you have broken a cable you need to learn what size cable can be used for what size load and a rusty cable is deadly do not trust it.
can you unlock the freespool lever under a load? im gonna use one for a logging tractor and in trying to figure out if itll work. im thinking if i winch the logs up too high off the ground i could put the tractor pto in gear and winch up another few inches and push down on the lever at the same time to be able to unlock it (ill modify the lever to where itll be in a safer place)
If I'm reading correctly, you want to be able to disengage the dog clutch at the back of the winch while under load? If I am correct, the answer is no! Once that winch is rigged, all operations are from the cab. Many folks think they can engage and disengage the winch at the winch. You might be able to shove that dog clutch to engage or disengage while there is no load, once there is a load, the lever will break before you get it to disengage.
I was wondering if you had any idea what the rpm's on the output shaft in the two gears are.
Ever see anyone power a generator from the front output of the pto?
A generator I saw said it wanted 540 rpm and I'm guessing that shaft is spinning slower in low but maybe close in high? Thanks!
I don't know the exact numbers I know it's close to 1,000 rpm but I have no idea if that's low or high and what the engine rpm has to be. Let me figure that out and I'll put it in my next Deuce video.
Great vid! It would be neat if you could shift thru the winch gears like you do with the transmission. Haha. It would have been neat to see the tree get pulled over. Lol. How thick was the base of the trunk?
That tree had a trunk about the size of my leg. This was all at idle but the winch is tied to the speed of the engine just like the wheels so you can infact rev the winch. I'll put this in another video along with the throttle hand control that's not to be used as a cruise control but was totally used as a cruise control on every long haul.
That's pretty cool.
i think every prepper out there needs a duece and a half in thier SHTF bug out kit...
Hay BC. I need to change the coolent on my duce. Can I use regular antifreeze? Paul
If it has the standard LDT 465 engine then it's a dry sleeve cylinder setup so un like my F-250 7.3 the Deuce can use the cheap regular antifreeze and distilled water. The wet sleeve diesel engines is where you need the special antifreeze. That being said I do recommend to add some SCA to the mix which helps prevent pinhole leaks in the oil cooler.
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Hay BC. What is the secret to removing the dule wheels on my duce. Lug nuts are left hand,but the stud turns right hand. Driving me crazy.
Paul from Salisbury NC
Does it matter what position the external selector is in, when you where changing the rev, hi and low positions in the cab?
The external clutch selector can be engaged or in neutral while changing the lever in the cab. That lever is simply to start and stop the winch from outside the truck. Good question.
+DEUCE AND GUNS Can you use the winch with the wheels in gear (say using the winch to help the truck up a steep hill)? Never had a winch so didn't know if it is always just let the winch do all the work.
Wolfgang1224 Yep. My dad once told me a story where someone had sunk a heavy forklift in mud up to the axles in Vietnam. It took a Deuce with all ten wheels spinning out and the winch pulling to even budge the thing but they kept breaking the winch pin. Dad eventually hooked an additional Deuce to the front of the first Deuce to free the forklift. Usually, it's best to let the winch do the work unless sunk in mud then pretty much anything to get moving is fair game but becomes increasingly more dangerous for people and equipment.
What is the diameter of the winch cable mostly used on a duce ???
Stock is 1/2 inch but many were upgraded to 9/16 at some point during their service.
I will never use the outside clutch level ever againg. My truck was runing/ON and I had the winch level inside the cab on neutral. I accidentally pushed the outside level to the IN position and the winch started to roll in the cable, almost making the front tire of the truck roll over me to almost kill me. I got safe by a pile of cinder blocks the truck got stuck on. Minor cuts, bit of blood. But I'm alive. So, I recommend, working the winch while the truck is Shut OFF/Engine not running, and after you figure EVERYTHING out of what needs to be done, then, moved to the inside cab of the truck, Start the truck and work everything from the inside. My two cents.
What's the pull rating on the winch. Could you pull a tractor trailer out of a snow drift.
It's max straight pull rating is 10,000 lbs but I have no idea what it would take to pull a tractor trailer out of a snow drift.
Hey bc I just went from a five ton to the deuce and a half could you make a video on the which I’m going to add one on to mine would like to know more thanks Justin Dennis
Winch not which
It is a lot of work to add one on, good luck they can be handy.
When filling up the deuce do you still have to wait to let everything warm up even if it's only been turned off for a few minutes?
As in stopped at the gas station? No, the warm up is only if the turbo has had time to cool down. I give it a 5 min warm up if I think she has been sitting for over 30 minutes to be on the safe side.
I think you're paranoid. As long as you have oil pressure just drive it, Obviously if its cold out wait for it to get up to operating temp before romping on it. Unless you've been towing or hauling, otherwise beating on it just shut it off, No need for a turbo cool down. Unless your driving like a crazy person
I don't even turn off my M35A2 when fueling.
Texas ADV diesels can be filled up while on
You are 100% sir. That is why I don't even bother shutting off my M35A2 while fueling
do you need a cdl for a m35a2 or any type of small bus such as a school bus?
In 49 states you're fine driving a deuce with a standard license. In California you're supposed to have a cdl for the M35a2 due to the third axle. I don't know much about driving a school bus. You'll probably need an endorsement if you plan on using it as a livery vehicle but for just driving a school bus around for fun I have no idea.
DEUCE AND GUNS California shouldn't be considered part of the US...
Hi! What diameter and how long is the cable of the winch? Great video.
1/2 inch diameter and 200ft long. I've been told the max that'll fit on the drum is 220ft.
@@deuceandguns Ok, many thanks.
I would say that you should have put some weight on the cable in the event of a cable snap but in your case I wouldn't have worried about it.
Correct. This was a simple demo video and I'll get into actual proper technique in a later video. I normally use a couple of heavy movers blankets I got for a dollar at Harbor Freight.
***** Also you should have been using gloves and I hope you didn't just wrap that chain around the tree, you should also use a 'tree protector' if you are using a tree as your anchor.
Looking forward to more in the winch series.
Aussie.
@@aussiebloke2998 He may have not liked the tree, that would be one way to pull it down.
When I engage my PTO winch it makes a clunking loud sound. Is that normal?
It will often clunk once as it engages but if it continues to make a clunking sound as it spins there may be an issue somewhere.
@deuceandguns thank you for the reply. Yeah it's not a full on grind... but sounds like teeth slapping each other. I'll have to look more into it.
Where are the other winch vids?
Can you try and pull down a tree you don't want solely with the winch and not the deuce? E.g. put the truck in neutral with the parking brake and then bring the winch in and see if it will pull down a decent sized tree.
It could pull down a tree, you would want to chock your wheels also and you are putting a lot of strain on the brakes and the winch, you may want to get a few shear pins also as you may need them. Easier to just hook the deuce to the tree with a heavy enough cable and hit it.
my free spin lever is stuck and wont pull out
Having run a few PTO driven winches in my time - make very, very, very sure the PTO is not engaged while you're driving the truck. I've heard the horror stories about the end result. It ain't pretty.
make more winch vids
how many lbs can it pull?
10,000 lbs
What is the pull rating on these winches?
10k
DEUCE AND GUNS thank you. And thank you for the great videos.
where did you purchase this truck?
carmax
@@Black70Fastback They are too expensive there, go to military surplus auctions and local papers.
WARE GLOVES!!
You mean wear gloves, and it does not help to yell didn't your mom teach you that?
How much did you pay for the deuce
I bought it several years ago back when they were still being auctioned off by the Government every month. The prices are very different now and differ greatly by region so I'd recommend searching on craigslist. Also, never post what a vehicle cost on the internet because it just attracts a ton of trolls saying they can get the same for a quarter the price but nobody can ever produce a single link to the source.
Its a nice truck I wish I had one
That tree was nothing compared to this truck lol
I know! I just wanted something easy/quick to get to and pull a 14,000 lb truck across almost flat ground. I'll bet it would have come down if I stepped on the brake.
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Hony, what happened to the tree outside, and why is a cable wrapped around it? You better have not hit it with your dumb truck.
No, just a freak late summer tornado. Popped out of nowhere and just took that tree down and nothing else. The tree would have went right through the house if I didn't tether it to my dumb truck, thank God.
DO NOT GRAB THAT STEAL LINE NAKID HAND!!! GLOVES!!!