“Caesar… weak.” “Koba… weaker.” I love this simple exchange. Caesar isn’t denying he’s weak. This also goes back to how instead of getting mad at Koba, he blamed himself for trusting him. A true leader.
Also, when Caesar tells Koba he's weaker than him, he looks at the gun he's holding. That's the difference between the two. Unlike Koba, Caesar doesn't hide behind a weapon.
Well koba did discard the gun and fight Caesar hand to hand but what choice did he have? As Cesar said apes value strength above all else and if koba gunned down ceased In Front of all the other apes it would make him look weak and possibly make others confident enough to challenge him.
When Caesar calls Koba weaker, he is briefly glancing at the rifle, prompting Koba to feel insulted and drop it, giving Caesar the fighting chance he needed to take Koba on - he knew in advance Koba would be too proud to not be susceptible to insults to his strength and power.
According to the tv tropes, its cause he realised his already fragile hold on the Apes was slipping and needing a gun to defeat Caesar would destroy it completely.
I like how Caesar is a chimpanzee and Koba is a bonobo: in nature, chimps are more aggressive and violent and bonobos are more placid and amicable. The fact that Caesar is then the hero and Koba the villain shows that when gifted with intelligence to know right and wrong, the concepts of violence and peace, of compassion and hatred, becomes entirely a personal choice. Despite being a naturally violent ape, Caesar chose good, and despite being a more peaceful species, Koba chose evil.
I feel kinda the opposite. To me it has always felt a little more like a creative error. Like improper digression. Like it was more about making a cool character than an accurate one.
Don't forget Caesar grew up around humans being treated like a member of the family and Kobas first and only real experience with humans was experiments and torture so both of their perspectives are drastically different because of their upbringings not necessarily their genes.
@@PotawatomiThunderNewKoba was a bonobo in Rise of Apes, and he was arguably even more bloodthirsty and murderous than in Dawn. His species being chosen as such was a deliberate thematic choice by the writers.
Yeah exactly, look at transformers movies they let humans shine in the end like we are some kind heroes, worse they let some cringe high schooler shine
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes. It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
He became like specific humans. Keep in mind, the majority of the humans in the second film didn't do anything wrong and had no real goals against the apes beyond getting electricity to power tge town and call other humans (something they were happy to do peacefully). Koba was the aggressor, oppressor, and betrayer whose goals were less about helping apes but causing as much harm as possible to humans.
@@fredrydmusic1 that’s a bad comparison. Scar was a jealous and power hungry asshole. Koba was a traumatized ape who was experimented on and with an extreme hatred for all humans. That hatred led to his downfall
Optimus: I trusted you sentinel my brother Sentinel: prime brother to human I fight for cybertron free them all Optimus:but you kill them you fight for Megatron Sentinel:(yells) Optimus:sentinel you are no longer an autobot
While I hate Koba, I love the fact he chooses to fight with his hands instead of outright shooting Ceasar. He wouldn't care if it wasn't a fair fight, he'd clearly use fear to keep the other Apes in line after he killed Ash, but it was either to show all the other Apes he can fight fair...or because Caesar called him weak for using a gun.
@@danty362 Earlier in the film, he shot Caesar when no one was aware it was him, then pinned it on the humans so he could lead the apes to war against them.
Koba’s all about showing strength through fear and intimidation. That’s all he knows. So when Caesar challenges him by throwing his strength as a leader into question, proving Caesar wrong becomes Koba’s top priority. Then he starts losing the fight, and all bets are off. Koba fight for Koba, after all.
Even Koba knew he couldn’t shoot Caesar I. Front of all the other apes. He HAD to fight him ape to ape. Remeber what Caesar said apes respect and follow strength. If koba shot ceasar without giving him a second chance he would be perceived as weak and cowardly and likely have a mutiny.
It must have hit so hard on Koba considering his terrible and sad past 😭😅 You know Caesar wanted to hurt him... and it's understandable after what happened.
Koba is by far one of the best movie villains I’ve ever seen. He is fearless and cunning and his backstory almost makes you sympathize with his motives. Any time a bad guy is just bad for the sake of being bad, it makes for a poor villain. They need complexity
I disagree with the notion that "anytime a bad guy is evil for the sake of being evil = poor villain". Some of the most memorable villains in history were evil for evil's sake. Emperor Palpatine, Emperor Zurg, Frieza, All For One, the Joker (depending on the version), Darkseid, Aku, Syndrome, Slade, and so on are all characters who don't have much reason to be villains, but are often entertaining in how much they relish in their villainy or how they affect the story and the characters around them. In Palpatine's case, his pure evil elevates Darth Vader's redemption, as while he was still an evil person himself, his fall was much more tragic and pitiable, especially when you consider much of it was manipulated by Palpatine. Pure evil villains have their place in pop culture, it's a gross oversimplification to chalk them up to bad writing.
@@rhenvao2844 lol i agree with you, there's also michael myers, syndrome, freddy krueger, hell even koba is pure evil. this dude knows nothing about creating a character
Just noticed that Caesar glanced at the gun for a second when he said “Koba weaker,” as though to say, “Boy, you need a gun just to stand a chance against me” lmao
Willing? That man felt insulted, because when he said Ceasar is weak, he answered by calling him weaker while glancing at the gun. Koba only threw the gun away because it hurt his ego, to say he wasn't willing to play fair.
I think koba is kind of scary The fact that hes a bonobo And bonobos are known to be the most friendliest apes out of the great ape family Really shows how much anger and hatred he has inside of him for humans or anyone who works with humans
It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
Just goes to show the negative impacts that can happen when at times you choose to not let things go. Koba's hatred of what humans did to him is completely valid, but turning his hate on people who had nothing to do with the torture that happened to him is where he went wrong. Yes sometimes we all have a hatred inside of us that we aren't fully able to let go of, but holding onto that resentment irrationally like Koba did in the end will only serve to poison us and make ourselves and the people we care about suffer.
It's actually heartbreaking how Koba, a bonobo; a species of ape known for their peacefulness and the origin of the make love not war quote, has turned into something this violent, vengeful, and full of hatred
I like how these characters evolved through out the films. I can see why Koba hated the humans for what they did to him but, he let that hatred consume him and let his actions be led by his hatred and was willing to risk the other apes lives to win the war against the humans.
This was my favorite scene, but no one is giving Koba’s Actor Toby props for his screams, so guttural and full of rage and hatred, I never heard a scream like that before and it chills my bones
The tragic part is that Caesar did trust Koba like a brother. Caesar fully understood Koba's suffering from the humans. Yet when Koba starts killing apes for his own goals, Caesar was removing the kiddy gloves now
Koba: “Koba fight for apes!” Caesar: “You think you’re so different from the humans don’t you? Look at yourself… You took their home, locked them in cages, and even locked away your fellow ape, and killed one of your own. You hate the humans and yet you are the most like them out of any of us.” _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
@@dittle270 It's a joke. Ceaser said all of that with just six words, "Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba." Like, he's just expanding it out to this philosophical speech as a joke.
@Joshua Rivera So what’s your opinion on Biden now then, you know, now that he’s destroyed thousands of American jobs, released violent criminals back onto the streets and invaded Syria all less than a week into his presidency, doing exactly what Trump and his supporters have SAID he would do for MONTHS now, is he still your most favourite president of all time?
@Joshua Rivera You idiot, Trump was the most peaceful President that the United States has had for over 40 years, without even a war to his name, it’s only been a few days since being sworn in and Biden’s already sending an armoured convoy into Northern Syria, America’s more at risk of a war now than it ever would’ve been under Trump, you think Bidens going to negotiate peace if Iran starts acting up again? He was there when Obama promised to pull soldiers out of Afghanistan in 2012, America is going to be at war again very soon wether you admit to it or not, in part, because of you and LIV’s like you.
Caesar's a badass. He's not just a great fighter, but a smart one. He's injured and not 100% strength, but still managed to turn most of the fight in his favour. He uses shields or stays just as reach of Koba's swings, letting Koba wear himself down and openly targets the wound he just got, hitting him there the moment it's open to attack. Meanwhile, Koba's at full strength, but lets his rage blind him. He angrily lashes out and simply tries to attack Caesar without any thought or strategy. Kinda like how he started the war between apes and humans.
Let's not forget that Caesar had just been shot a few days prior to this fight and was still healing. He wasn't at 100%, and Koba was still having a hard time fighting. Imagine if this was Caesar at full strength.
We did see that fight Even thought it wasn’t really a fight it was really more of Caesar almost killing Koba right then and there before he remembered apes don’t kill apes
The “Koba… weaker” line isn’t just about the gun, but Koba being morally/psychologically weak. It is a weak person that acts like Koba does. Out of selfish hatred and their own ego. It is a strong person that acts for the good of others and is willing to fight for it. The gun represents that human-like sentiment of using power for selfish reasons and harming your own people for your own sake. Koba was more than happy to pick up the gun and become like his enemy. Ceaser was not. Many of the Apes were not. Apes who were also mistreated like Maurice were strong and compassionate, willing to let go of their pain and hatred. Koba is weak because he is a slave to his own low base desires and impulses.
@@sherryelder9511chimps and bonobos are in the same genus. Bonobos used to be thought of as a “pygmy” subspecies of chimp, before further studies were done and they were found to be a different species altogether. They’re still more closely-related to each other than they are to any other ape, though.
And in the last stand, Caesar helps out injured apes while Koba walks towards an injured ape but takes his gun instead of helping him. And then he fires at Caesar trying to kill him but ends up killing other apes and injuring Marice. It’s sad Koba turns out this way cuz in the beginning of the movie he saves Caesar and his son from a bear attack and was like a mentor to blue eyes. I think if they never got in contact with the humans, they would’ve continued living happily
@@ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551 well yes. Kobas hatred for humans and inability to forgive lead to this. I see people saying koba was not the bad guy but, while i agree his evil makes sence, he is still the bad guy.
Y’know those memes of monsters fighting like “this is what kids picture when they play with their toys”? Yeah, this is what kids picture when they insult each other. Cinema is a joy.
Love the fact that Koba doesnt try to play stupid in front of everyone about ceasar being shot by him the cats out of the bag at this point instead he plays the angle of oh im a better leader than you are and we basically won the war
Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.
Koba: Caesar... weak. Caesar: But Caesar has Kong. *Kong shows up, just stands there supporting Caesar, and every other ape runs to stand with Caesar because they don’t want that smoke*
One of the saddest betrayals in film history. Koba was with Caesar from day one, and stuck by him for years. I like to think Koba and Caesar are the same except Caesar makes decisions based off the love for his people and Koba makes decisions based off his hatred for humans.
@@janina.ate.the.microphone7179 You the saying, when monkey see, monkey do. If you would help the hero who say othere apes wouldn't do the same for the antagonist
I honestly feel sorry for Koba. He is the way he is because humans treated him so cruelly. The part where he was pointing at all his scars and repeating "human work" was the most heartbreaking in the whole series. He was only trying to do what he thought was best for the apes but his (understandable) bitterness got the better of him. And he genuinely did love Caesar, which made it all the more devasting when Caesar struck a deal with the humans and took their side over his.
Caesar: Brother to Koba Koba: You are a brother to human! I fight for apes Caesar: Koba fight for Koba Koba: Caesar weak Caesar: Koba weaker Damn Caesar ws burning Koba
He is, I say, my tenth favorite movie villain (behind Norman Stansfield, hans gruber, Boddicker from Robocop, the Arachnids from Starship troopers, Tyler durden, Saruman from LOTR, Dracula from Bram Stoker's Dracula and T1000 from Terminator)
@@zerovikings5852And even in comics the only reason for his existence is to get soloed by other characters to show how strong they are or how strong they’ve gotten
2:00 Koba screams in pain then Cesar almost immediately recognizing that Koba has that serious wound that will prove to be fatal ..then how he repeatedly aims for it..just love the thought behind this fight scene
I feel bad for Koba, the reason he turned evil was because he couldn’t let go of the Pass of what the people did to him in all of those labs. He didn’t want to kill humans because he hated them, he thought if he killed all humans he could forget and not remember those terrible memories ever again
Koba is one of the best characters in the franchise. He has a badass appearence, A very good backstory, He is well written, when he speaks it is badass and he knows how to drive a tank. And he is also a warrior
All of the movies in this damn fine trilogy are good, and the colonel is a really good villain in War, but Dawn might just be my favorite of the three just because of Koba.
“You think you’re so different from the humans? You took their home, locked them in cages, and even locked away from fellow ape, and killed one of your own.” _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Scar King : Kong... Has no... Place here. Titans... Follow Scar King Now. Kong : Follow... Scar King to war... Scar King : Titans win wars! Titans... together strong... Kong... Weak. Kong : Scar King... Weaker. Kong : Trusted Scar King... Like brother. Scar King : Kong brother... To Humans. Scar King Fight for Titans! Free Titan! Kong : Kill Titan. Scar King Fight For Scar King. Scar King : AARRGH! Kong : Scar King.... Belong... In cage.
Koba may have said he was fighting for all apes, but really he was fighting for himself. He may have convinced all the apes about his concern for the humans harming them and may have even convinced himself. But at the end of the day it was his hatred for the humans and what they did to him personally is why he wanted to go to war with them. He manipulated all the apes into fighting for his cause and not for all apes. He even began to become the very thing he swore to destroy by caging his fellow apes just as the humans did and even killed his own kind. Just as Caesar said *”Koba fight for Koba.”*
Ever since I watched War for the planet of the Apes, I actually miss Koba. I've always been wondering like 'what if' koba survived? Would he have pulled off the same move as he did in this film to go to war again with the Colonel? Or would he have actually joined Caesar and both try a strategy where there is less casualties but successful victory? So many what if questions! Lol but this trilogy is great!
2:30 my favorite part of this is that Koba beloved it’s true. He’s not lying, or at least he’s lying to himself with everyone else. He legitimately believed he fought for the apes ( I would argue that until Caesar beat him up in the dam and the abandoned him even when they all agreed with him it was true, he did love his ape family and while he resented Caesar’s compassion for humans he tolerated it. But after Caesar beat him up, admittedly in a fight Koba provoked even if he didn’t throw the first hit, this stopped being true)
“Trusted Koba. Like brother.” “Caesar. Brother to human. Koba fight for ape! FREE APE!” “Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba.” “AAAAGGGHHH!!!!” “Koba. Belong. In cage.”
I find it very satisfying as Caesar calls Koba out on his hypocrisy and his selfishness as I pretty much lost all sympathy for Koba after he killed Ash for not wanting to go along with Koba’s insanity proving himself to be no better than the humans as the ones who did abused Koba were most likely dead by that point and most of the surviving humans only wanted to survive and not wanting anything to do with the apes only trying to get power from the dam to restore the city which especially when Koba was the one who started the war and not any of the surviving humans because of instead to waiting to be proven right, he betrayed Caesar and killed some of his fellow apes just so he can get what he wanted much more quickly, showing how he let his desire to kill the humans no matter the cost and his hated of them though understandable given what he went through get the better of him in the end.
I feel sorry for Koba he got tortured by humans he just wanted to fight humans and he loves the apes but they don't listen to him they killed his mum when he was little
Koba was willingly shoving apes into a war that would've destroyed their own species, and not only broke their rules by murdering young apes that didn't want to go down his dogma of "hate humans", but also imprisoned those who where Caesar's friends and loyal followers. He was doing everything out of his own hatred and lust for revenge for humans.
I love how when Ceaser shows up, Koba doesn't try to play dumb and be all "Oh my God, Ceaser! You're alive!" Instead he's all like "Nah, fuck you Ceaser."
“Caesar… weak.”
“Koba… weaker.”
I love this simple exchange. Caesar isn’t denying he’s weak. This also goes back to how instead of getting mad at Koba, he blamed himself for trusting him. A true leader.
Let this be a lesson for any potential leader. Know how to take an L gracefully.
Also, when Caesar tells Koba he's weaker than him, he looks at the gun he's holding. That's the difference between the two. Unlike Koba, Caesar doesn't hide behind a weapon.
Well koba did discard the gun and fight Caesar hand to hand but what choice did he have? As Cesar said apes value strength above all else and if koba gunned down ceased In Front of all the other apes it would make him look weak and possibly make others confident enough to challenge him.
That shit had the movie theater buzzing 😂
My favourite line in the trilogy. He's admitting everything up until now is on him. That he's there to fix his mistake, and that mistake is Koba.
"Koba...belong...in cage." is a great, cutting insult. He's basically calling Koba a wild animal and that humans were right to lock him up.
That, and the fact Koba spent most of his life in one would've cut deep.
Koba was so loyal man
He got blinded real fast
@@tavonnelelea5577 But he got so many fellow apes killed. He led them to a war that could have been avoided.
Weird thing is, both didn't use their teeth
When Caesar calls Koba weaker, he is briefly glancing at the rifle, prompting Koba to feel insulted and drop it, giving Caesar the fighting chance he needed to take Koba on - he knew in advance Koba would be too proud to not be susceptible to insults to his strength and power.
damnn nice man
According to the tv tropes, its cause he realised his already fragile hold on the Apes was slipping and needing a gun to defeat Caesar would destroy it completely.
Or maybe Koba thought that bullets can't kill Caesar... nah I was joking but after all they are monkeys hahaha
@@therex7690 ya but smart ones 😂
@@nightmareshadow1420 he knew using a man-made weapon would look weak.
I like how Caesar is a chimpanzee and Koba is a bonobo: in nature, chimps are more aggressive and violent and bonobos are more placid and amicable. The fact that Caesar is then the hero and Koba the villain shows that when gifted with intelligence to know right and wrong, the concepts of violence and peace, of compassion and hatred, becomes entirely a personal choice. Despite being a naturally violent ape, Caesar chose good, and despite being a more peaceful species, Koba chose evil.
Exactly , my friend ! Thanks for this nice comment!
I feel kinda the opposite. To me it has always felt a little more like a creative error. Like improper digression. Like it was more about making a cool character than an accurate one.
Don't forget Caesar grew up around humans being treated like a member of the family and Kobas first and only real experience with humans was experiments and torture so both of their perspectives are drastically different because of their upbringings not necessarily their genes.
@@PotawatomiThunderNewKoba was a bonobo in Rise of Apes, and he was arguably even more bloodthirsty and murderous than in Dawn.
His species being chosen as such was a deliberate thematic choice by the writers.
Real
Can we appreciate that these movies actually followed the apes characters and NOT the humans
This why I love the second and third alot
Yeah exactly, look at transformers movies they let humans shine in the end like we are some kind heroes, worse they let some cringe high schooler shine
because that's the point of this trilogy lol
the 2nd one has always remained my favorite
All more reason to return to monke XD
I love how the dialogue is so simple but so powerful.
True. Even though their wording was broken English, we knew exactly what they meant
Right
Why say lot word when few word do trick?
@@za3739 nice reference😂
@@za3739 "I understood that reference."
The irony about Koba’s character is that his hatred for humans made him end up becoming just like them. His character took a massive turn so much so that he broke ape laws, enslaved his own kind, and even killed his fellow apes. Through his hatred for the humans he ended up becoming more like the them than any of the other apes.
It’s like a great man once said: _”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
He became like specific humans. Keep in mind, the majority of the humans in the second film didn't do anything wrong and had no real goals against the apes beyond getting electricity to power tge town and call other humans (something they were happy to do peacefully).
Koba was the aggressor, oppressor, and betrayer whose goals were less about helping apes but causing as much harm as possible to humans.
Sounds like israel lol
Obi approves this message
"Don't... Lecture... Me... Caesar!"
@@NesqRunnershhhhh we are not allowed to say that
Koba is such a good villain in this
Agreed. Considering that he couldn't let go of his hate towards humans, he reminds me of Scar from The Lion King.
What makes him terrifying that Bonobos are gentle and friendly ape species. Koba is not.
@@fredrydmusic1 that’s a bad comparison. Scar was a jealous and power hungry asshole. Koba was a traumatized ape who was experimented on and with an extreme hatred for all humans. That hatred led to his downfall
@@fredrydmusic1 I honestly almost hate Koba more than Scar because of his act of killing Ash and still insisting that he's a hero to apes.
@@fredrydmusic1 yes, ngl this whole movie reminded me of the lion king
Koba: Caesar weak.
Caesar: Koba weaker.
Buuurn!!!
Caesar goes to heaven , koba goes to hell
@@ducluu7003 correction: Koba is FROM Hell!
@kyle gaz garrick Koba is the one with the gun and scarred face.
Ceaser is right, Koba is too much of a dumb monkey to see that he's just as bad as bad humans are!
@victor reznov koba is the monke and caesar is the monke
“Koba fight for Koba”
Simple words that says so much. Easy. Masterful movie.
2:40 koba’s reaction and burn for him
@@TigerWing141He was pissed he was right
Koba: We. Were. Brothers. Once.
Caesar: Once.
Optimus: I trusted you sentinel my brother
Sentinel: prime brother to human I fight for cybertron free them all
Optimus:but you kill them you fight for Megatron
Sentinel:(yells)
Optimus:sentinel you are no longer an autobot
@@carlosmuller382 sentinel,”LIES/2:40!”
Lets roll out.
Transformers
Autobots roll out
While I hate Koba, I love the fact he chooses to fight with his hands instead of outright shooting Ceasar. He wouldn't care if it wasn't a fair fight, he'd clearly use fear to keep the other Apes in line after he killed Ash, but it was either to show all the other Apes he can fight fair...or because Caesar called him weak for using a gun.
It was both reasons
He literally shot Caesar?
@@danty362 Earlier in the film, he shot Caesar when no one was aware it was him, then pinned it on the humans so he could lead the apes to war against them.
Koba’s all about showing strength through fear and intimidation. That’s all he knows. So when Caesar challenges him by throwing his strength as a leader into question, proving Caesar wrong becomes Koba’s top priority.
Then he starts losing the fight, and all bets are off. Koba fight for Koba, after all.
Even Koba knew he couldn’t shoot Caesar I. Front of all the other apes. He HAD to fight him ape to ape. Remeber what Caesar said apes respect and follow strength. If koba shot ceasar without giving him a second chance he would be perceived as weak and cowardly and likely have a mutiny.
“Koba… belong… in cage.”
And considering ho much Caesar hated captivity for himself and his fellow apes, you KNOW he’s making a statement!
It must have hit so hard on Koba considering his terrible and sad past 😭😅
You know Caesar wanted to hurt him... and it's understandable after what happened.
Koba is by far one of the best movie villains I’ve ever seen. He is fearless and cunning and his backstory almost makes you sympathize with his motives. Any time a bad guy is just bad for the sake of being bad, it makes for a poor villain. They need complexity
Exactly. In his mind he didnt even realize he was bad, he was broken.
I disagree with the notion that "anytime a bad guy is evil for the sake of being evil = poor villain". Some of the most memorable villains in history were evil for evil's sake. Emperor Palpatine, Emperor Zurg, Frieza, All For One, the Joker (depending on the version), Darkseid, Aku, Syndrome, Slade, and so on are all characters who don't have much reason to be villains, but are often entertaining in how much they relish in their villainy or how they affect the story and the characters around them. In Palpatine's case, his pure evil elevates Darth Vader's redemption, as while he was still an evil person himself, his fall was much more tragic and pitiable, especially when you consider much of it was manipulated by Palpatine. Pure evil villains have their place in pop culture, it's a gross oversimplification to chalk them up to bad writing.
@@rhenvao2844 lol i agree with you, there's also michael myers, syndrome, freddy krueger, hell even koba is pure evil. this dude knows nothing about creating a character
@@rhenvao2844 Do you consider Zamasu a good villain by any chance, considering he didn't became evil for the sake of being evil?
@@TradFalangist no he was just a dick and a narcissist
This trilogy is the best cinematic trilogy since LotR
True
I agree. What’s your opinion on the Dark knight trilogy?
@@videhjelm4825 idiot
First Apes is not very good IMO. Generic without Reeves
@@videhjelm4825 Ngl, first planet of the apes in this trilogy was good but the others were kinda flashy trash. Similar to transformers films.
Just noticed that Caesar glanced at the gun for a second when he said “Koba weaker,” as though to say, “Boy, you need a gun just to stand a chance against me” lmao
Gotta give credit to Koba. He was willing to throw the weapon away and fight fair (at least initially). One of the best cinematic villains ever.
Willing? That man felt insulted, because when he said Ceasar is weak, he answered by calling him weaker while glancing at the gun. Koba only threw the gun away because it hurt his ego, to say he wasn't willing to play fair.
Your right Koba is really such a damn good villain one of the best ever I felt bad for him so much in the first one
I think koba is kind of scary
The fact that hes a bonobo
And bonobos are known to be the most friendliest apes out of the great ape family
Really shows how much anger and hatred he has inside of him for humans or anyone who works with humans
This trilogy deserves way more praise than it got.
The first and third was sub-par. The second one (Dawn) took the cake and was better than the other 2 by far. Koba being a main reason for that
@@Apexssb I wouldn't find the first one as sub-par tbh, although i will agree that war was the worst one
@@Apexssboh hell no. saying rise is on par with war? Hell no definitely. Tbh war was kinda the worst.
@@Honestlynothingelseyeh I agree war was a little underwhelming. The whole virus thingy kind of lost it for me.
@@hellohi1445the virus is the entire premise of all three movies😂 what do you mean it lost you?!
It’s always been strange to me how it seems that only after Koba found out humans were still alive he seemingly descended back into madness. Like he seemed to be genuinely loyal to Caesar and saw him like a brother and was even a good friend to his son. We saw him grow to love Caesar and was very happy living in the village with his fellow apes. It’s like when he saw humans again his past came back to haunt him and he wanted to get rid of it once and for all and in doing so lost everything he had gained which was a family. He did things I don’t think he would’ve ever done if he hadn’t found out about the humans. His hatred for things done to him in the past was greater than the love he had gained in the future which is quite sad to see. Very amazing story writing and character development.
Just goes to show the negative impacts that can happen when at times you choose to not let things go. Koba's hatred of what humans did to him is completely valid, but turning his hate on people who had nothing to do with the torture that happened to him is where he went wrong. Yes sometimes we all have a hatred inside of us that we aren't fully able to let go of, but holding onto that resentment irrationally like Koba did in the end will only serve to poison us and make ourselves and the people we care about suffer.
@@envoyeli2892 very true
The way he says apes together strong always gives me chills
It's so hype! Incredible voice work
Fighting the school bully be like:
Quiet kid vs the school bully
Quiet kid vs annoying kid
It's actually heartbreaking how Koba, a bonobo; a species of ape known for their peacefulness and the origin of the make love not war quote, has turned into something this violent, vengeful, and full of hatred
I love when koba says ‘apes win war!’ Sounds badass
APES TOGETHER STRONG
koba is fucking badass
Leader of the apes vs the ape who hates the humans
If Koba was alive for the final movie I think maybe the apes would have won 🤷♂️
Apes too because he only cares about avenging himself.
I don’t know what belief the Koba character has about humans, but hate can be a tremendous driving force.
I like how these characters evolved through out the films. I can see why Koba hated the humans for what they did to him but, he let that hatred consume him and let his actions be led by his hatred and was willing to risk the other apes lives to win the war against the humans.
This was my favorite scene, but no one is giving Koba’s Actor Toby props for his screams, so guttural and full of rage and hatred, I never heard a scream like that before and it chills my bones
Toby kebbel is a super super underrated actor imo
Koba: CaEsAr WEaK!
Caesar: Not what Koba mother. Say. Last night.
@Yo Sup Yeah he does! He can speak now but he still struggles sometimes.
I hollered!!! 😂
Koba weaker
Ceaser: Kobe fight for koba.
@@teenforever16.idontwanttob53 2:40
"Koba belong in cage."
I always appreciate protagonists who are both heroic yet willing to kick the enemy in their emotional testicles.
The tragic part is that Caesar did trust Koba like a brother. Caesar fully understood Koba's suffering from the humans.
Yet when Koba starts killing apes for his own goals, Caesar was removing the kiddy gloves now
Caesar was completely right too. Koba was way too unstable and dangerous to be around.
Koba: “Koba fight for apes!”
Caesar: “You think you’re so different from the humans don’t you? Look at yourself… You took their home, locked them in cages, and even locked away your fellow ape, and killed one of your own. You hate the humans and yet you are the most like them out of any of us.”
_”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Koba reaction 2:40 Koba, “LIES!”
Caesar did NOT say this bruh
@@dittle270 He meant it and conveyed it.
@@dittle270 It's a joke. Ceaser said all of that with just six words, "Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba." Like, he's just expanding it out to this philosophical speech as a joke.
He didnt say that
Ladies and gentlemen, the US presidential election
Caesar for president
@Joshua Rivera So what’s your opinion on Biden now then, you know, now that he’s destroyed thousands of American jobs, released violent criminals back onto the streets and invaded Syria all less than a week into his presidency, doing exactly what Trump and his supporters have SAID he would do for MONTHS now, is he still your most favourite president of all time?
@Joshua Rivera This is just what’s happened over the last 3 days, i hate to think what America will look like by the time the weeks over.
@Joshua Rivera All thanks to people just like you, you should be very proud of yourselves, you deserve it.
@Joshua Rivera You idiot, Trump was the most peaceful President that the United States has had for over 40 years, without even a war to his name, it’s only been a few days since being sworn in and Biden’s already sending an armoured convoy into Northern Syria, America’s more at risk of a war now than it ever would’ve been under Trump, you think Bidens going to negotiate peace if Iran starts acting up again? He was there when Obama promised to pull soldiers out of Afghanistan in 2012, America is going to be at war again very soon wether you admit to it or not, in part, because of you and LIV’s like you.
2:53. This what I would have had Ceaser say.
"Koba belong in cage where Ceaser found him".
Better
Yeah better
Well at the part where Ceaser says Koba belong in cage is similar to yr comment
Better, but also longer lol 🤷♂️
Which would further convince Koba that Caesar never cared for him at all.
Caesar's a badass. He's not just a great fighter, but a smart one. He's injured and not 100% strength, but still managed to turn most of the fight in his favour. He uses shields or stays just as reach of Koba's swings, letting Koba wear himself down and openly targets the wound he just got, hitting him there the moment it's open to attack.
Meanwhile, Koba's at full strength, but lets his rage blind him. He angrily lashes out and simply tries to attack Caesar without any thought or strategy. Kinda like how he started the war between apes and humans.
Let’s take a moment to appreciate the ballsiness that is Caesar trying to fight an ape with a flipping gun
man the second movie was amazing we have a badass protagonist and badass antagonist
@@shadowlugia0011 It’s the best one
@@A.H.goose1i think the 3d is better in every way
Not only that but having already been shot by the same ape once
Let's not forget that Caesar had just been shot a few days prior to this fight and was still healing. He wasn't at 100%, and Koba was still having a hard time fighting. Imagine if this was Caesar at full strength.
We actually did get to see the two fight with Caesar fight at full strength, and in that fight Caesar utterly obliterated Koba.
We did see that fight
Even thought it wasn’t really a fight it was really more of Caesar almost killing Koba right then and there before he remembered apes don’t kill apes
The “Koba… weaker” line isn’t just about the gun, but Koba being morally/psychologically weak.
It is a weak person that acts like Koba does. Out of selfish hatred and their own ego. It is a strong person that acts for the good of others and is willing to fight for it.
The gun represents that human-like sentiment of using power for selfish reasons and harming your own people for your own sake. Koba was more than happy to pick up the gun and become like his enemy. Ceaser was not. Many of the Apes were not. Apes who were also mistreated like Maurice were strong and compassionate, willing to let go of their pain and hatred.
Koba is weak because he is a slave to his own low base desires and impulses.
This movie is 10 yrs old and looks better than most movies today
Don’t start with that boomer BS
The fact that Koba is a bonobo
Shows what abuse can do to the Purest of souls
He wouldn’t have been pure, per se. He’d have been very horny though.
I actually didn't know he wasn't a chimp.... because that's what I thought Kona was (species wise)
@@sherryelder9511chimps and bonobos are in the same genus. Bonobos used to be thought of as a “pygmy” subspecies of chimp, before further studies were done and they were found to be a different species altogether. They’re still more closely-related to each other than they are to any other ape, though.
Koba: Koba fight for ape!
Me: Dude you just killed rockets son like an hour ago
Lmfaoooo
And in the last stand, Caesar helps out injured apes while Koba walks towards an injured ape but takes his gun instead of helping him. And then he fires at Caesar trying to kill him but ends up killing other apes and injuring Marice. It’s sad Koba turns out this way cuz in the beginning of the movie he saves Caesar and his son from a bear attack and was like a mentor to blue eyes. I think if they never got in contact with the humans, they would’ve continued living happily
@@ichangedmyusernamebecausei2551 well yes. Kobas hatred for humans and inability to forgive lead to this. I see people saying koba was not the bad guy but, while i agree his evil makes sence, he is still the bad guy.
Koba would probably respond with "Rocket's son was a coward! There will be no place for cowards!"
@@RobertEOSPEEDWAGON1 Thus, he's too dangerous to remain alive.
2:21 Kong: Trusted Skar Like Brother
2:24 Skar King: Kong Brother to Godzilla
2:29 Skar Fight For Titans Free Titans
2:37 Kong: Kill Titan Skar Fight for Skar
2:40 Skar King (Roaring)
2:49 Kong: Skar
2:50 Belong
2:52 In Titan Cage
I love how the whole fight takes place during dawn.
Serkis needed an Oscar . Director needed oscar. One of the most underrated movies of all time.
This shit was live as fuck in the theaters . If you didn’t watch this in theaters then I feel sorry for you 🥺
😢😢😢😔😔😔🥺🥺🥺
Saw it on day 1 and loved it!!
I legit only know about this film cuz our teacher let us watch it
“Koba fight for Koba” that line hit hard!!
Chopper, “Yeah, even Koba was mad as hell at 2:40
I think Koba is actually fight for apes in the beginning, but after the first time Koba hold a gun and killed humans, Koba changed.
“Cesar brother to human”
2:00 Notice how this shot mirrors one from the first film, when Caesar squares up against [Malfoy?] brandishing a cattleprod.
It showed that Koba became exactly like the humans.
Love how this entire scene is them just repeatedly insulting each other while propmtly beating the shit out of each other
Koba:worlds meanest bonobo
Caesar:world’s friendliest chimp
Andy Serkis is obviously the heart and soul of the franchise but hats off to Toby Geobells. His performance was absolutely sensational as Koba.
1:04 Koba calling Caesar weak and Caesar calling Koba weaker is literally how 8 year olds throw insults at each other
but it meant so much more
Monke talk
Basically monke
Y’know those memes of monsters fighting like “this is what kids picture when they play with their toys”? Yeah, this is what kids picture when they insult each other. Cinema is a joy.
“Koba… belong… in cage”
That must’ve cut so deep 🫢🫢
Love the fact that Koba doesnt try to play stupid in front of everyone about ceasar being shot by him the cats out of the bag at this point instead he plays the angle of oh im a better leader than you are and we basically won the war
Koba believes Caesar is weak because he is unwilling to fight the humans. When in reality it makes Caesar a very wise leader. A good leader evaluates a situation and looks at all the alternatives and only chooses to fight if there is no other way. If you rush blindly into battle (like Koba) then you loose lives on both sides, which is what happened when Koba took over. Apes lost their lives to a war that could’ve been avoided if Koba hadn’t struck first. This is what Caesar was trying to tell Koba, if peace is an option than a good leader searches for it. War isn’t pretty and anyone who rushes blindly into it is a fool. Koba could have let go of his hatred, but instead he let rage guide him and let his past determine his fate.
Koba: Caesar... weak.
Caesar: But Caesar has Kong.
*Kong shows up, just stands there supporting Caesar, and every other ape runs to stand with Caesar because they don’t want that smoke*
Lol
Koba: Koba has army!
Caesar: Caesar have a Kong.
Avengers reference with loli and iron man
Koba weaker
Ceasar: *WE NEED KONG*
This is why I’m hyped for The Batman. Matt Reeves knows how to deliver.
So, did you get what you hoped for? I know I did…
"Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba."
Shots fired
Koba’s reaction: 2:40
One of the saddest betrayals in film history. Koba was with Caesar from day one, and stuck by him for years. I like to think Koba and Caesar are the same except Caesar makes decisions based off the love for his people and Koba makes decisions based off his hatred for humans.
I never understand in these movies how everyone’s just standing there watching. I would help the hero!
Because whoever is the strongest deserves to lead. That’s how it works.
Brandon Layne You‘re absolutely right, but I still couldn’t contain myself. I‘m to impulsive for that😂
It’s an honor code. What you’re suggesting is a jumping and like others said strongest leads
@@janina.ate.the.microphone7179 You the saying, when monkey see, monkey do. If you would help the hero who say othere apes wouldn't do the same for the antagonist
@@yonboybigbezang8808 aaah, yeah you got a point there. Would be an even more epic battle tho😂
I honestly feel sorry for Koba. He is the way he is because humans treated him so cruelly. The part where he was pointing at all his scars and repeating "human work" was the most heartbreaking in the whole series.
He was only trying to do what he thought was best for the apes but his (understandable) bitterness got the better of him. And he genuinely did love Caesar, which made it all the more devasting when Caesar struck a deal with the humans and took their side over his.
Caesar: Brother to Koba
Koba: You are a brother to human! I fight for apes
Caesar: Koba fight for Koba
Koba: Caesar weak
Caesar: Koba weaker
Damn Caesar ws burning Koba
2:40
Koba is literally my third favorite movie villain, behind Thanos and Heath Ledger's Joker.
He is, I say, my tenth favorite movie villain (behind Norman Stansfield, hans gruber, Boddicker from Robocop, the Arachnids from Starship troopers, Tyler durden, Saruman from LOTR, Dracula from Bram Stoker's Dracula and T1000 from Terminator)
Thanos is the most overrated of all time I didn’t like him at all
@@zerovikings5852And even in comics the only reason for his existence is to get soloed by other characters to show how strong they are or how strong they’ve gotten
"Caesar... gay"
"Koba... gayer"
2:00 Koba screams in pain then Cesar almost immediately recognizing that Koba has that serious wound that will prove to be fatal ..then how he repeatedly aims for it..just love the thought behind this fight scene
feel like ceaser would still be alive if koba was in the movie to help
0:17 That's such a badass shot!
I love the incredulous little laugh that Koba gives..like "you gotta be f'ing kidding me" 😏
I feel bad for Koba, the reason he turned evil was because he couldn’t let go of the Pass of what the people did to him in all of those labs. He didn’t want to kill humans because he hated them, he thought if he killed all humans he could forget and not remember those terrible memories ever again
Koba is one of the best characters in the franchise. He has a badass appearence, A very good backstory, He is well written, when he speaks it is badass and he knows how to drive a tank. And he is also a warrior
All of the movies in this damn fine trilogy are good, and the colonel is a really good villain in War, but Dawn might just be my favorite of the three just because of Koba.
As a bonobo, Koba should be gentle and peace-loving, so it's extremely ironic that he is the most violent, aggressive one of the bunch.
There is a reason u forgot first movie?
The irony of this is that Koba thinks he won the war, but it just began
“You think you’re so different from the humans? You took their home, locked them in cages, and even locked away from fellow ape, and killed one of your own.”
_”Now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.”_
Jeez, Koba's roar at 2:40 is demonic. Not even animalistic. You'd hear that roar from Satan
In my opinion. Koba is one of cinemas best villains of the last 10 years.
Easily!
Scar King : Kong... Has no... Place here. Titans... Follow Scar King Now.
Kong : Follow... Scar King to war...
Scar King : Titans win wars! Titans... together strong... Kong... Weak.
Kong : Scar King... Weaker.
Kong : Trusted Scar King... Like brother.
Scar King : Kong brother... To Humans.
Scar King Fight for Titans! Free Titan!
Kong : Kill Titan.
Scar King Fight For Scar King.
Scar King : AARRGH!
Kong : Scar King.... Belong... In cage.
Ik Koba Scream/Roar 2:40 Scared Everyone In The Theater When They Saw That😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Koba may have said he was fighting for all apes, but really he was fighting for himself. He may have convinced all the apes about his concern for the humans harming them and may have even convinced himself. But at the end of the day it was his hatred for the humans and what they did to him personally is why he wanted to go to war with them. He manipulated all the apes into fighting for his cause and not for all apes. He even began to become the very thing he swore to destroy by caging his fellow apes just as the humans did and even killed his own kind. Just as Caesar said *”Koba fight for Koba.”*
Ever since I watched War for the planet of the Apes, I actually miss Koba. I've always been wondering like 'what if' koba survived? Would he have pulled off the same move as he did in this film to go to war again with the Colonel? Or would he have actually joined Caesar and both try a strategy where there is less casualties but successful victory? So many what if questions! Lol but this trilogy is great!
2:30 my favorite part of this is that Koba beloved it’s true. He’s not lying, or at least he’s lying to himself with everyone else. He legitimately believed he fought for the apes ( I would argue that until Caesar beat him up in the dam and the abandoned him even when they all agreed with him it was true, he did love his ape family and while he resented Caesar’s compassion for humans he tolerated it. But after Caesar beat him up, admittedly in a fight Koba provoked even if he didn’t throw the first hit, this stopped being true)
The fact that koba's species are the most peaceful apes shows how koba's tragic intention is.
Why are all the comments so recent
Monke
@@117overcast 🤣🤭
This was made in 2019. 🤷♂️
@@SpiderBeetle 2014
I was talking about the video, not the film release.
“Apes win war! Apes together strong!”
"Caesar...weak."
@@MR_KittyJey5 “Koba weaker”
@@rubensalcido9464*Looks at the gun and dropkick Caesar*
“Trusted Koba. Like brother.”
“Caesar. Brother to human. Koba fight for ape! FREE APE!”
“Kill ape. Koba fight for Koba.”
“AAAAGGGHHH!!!!”
“Koba. Belong. In cage.”
Caesar tried to be better than humans but in the end they were not so different
„trusted koba like a brother „
I find it very satisfying as Caesar calls Koba out on his hypocrisy and his selfishness as I pretty much lost all sympathy for Koba after he killed Ash for not wanting to go along with Koba’s insanity proving himself to be no better than the humans as the ones who did abused Koba were most likely dead by that point and most of the surviving humans only wanted to survive and not wanting anything to do with the apes only trying to get power from the dam to restore the city which especially when Koba was the one who started the war and not any of the surviving humans because of instead to waiting to be proven right, he betrayed Caesar and killed some of his fellow apes just so he can get what he wanted much more quickly, showing how he let his desire to kill the humans no matter the cost and his hated of them though understandable given what he went through get the better of him in the end.
I feel sorry for Koba he got tortured by humans he just wanted to fight humans and he loves the apes but they don't listen to him they killed his mum when he was little
Koba was willingly shoving apes into a war that would've destroyed their own species, and not only broke their rules by murdering young apes that didn't want to go down his dogma of "hate humans", but also imprisoned those who where Caesar's friends and loyal followers. He was doing everything out of his own hatred and lust for revenge for humans.
He did all this out of hate. Hr killed his ape tormentor last film, so why attack innocents
They torture and experiment apes Because they can find a way to cure the people from the virus and infection instead it didn’t work
He didn't love the apes. He showed that time and time again.
@@carlosmuller382 why should they torture them? Also, no..koba had been tortured even before that
Goddamn I just love the moment Koba says "Apes together Strong!!", makes your inner monkey resonate and start wanting to chant along
Caesar as Obi Wan-Kenobi and Koba as Anakin skywalker
I like the way caesar says trusted koba like brother
To Koba’s view: 2:24
Did you know At age 26, Koba is one of the oldest apes to appear in the reboot films.
Was Koba older than Caesar??
@@OhThatsJamia yes
Koba: “Apes together strong!”
Caesar: “That’s my line.” 😠
As soon as I saw Koba in Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I already knew he’s gonna be a threat in this sequel.
Every time Koba screams he sounds like an angry 14 year old
These movies blew me away at the time. I really didnt have high expectations for the first one but oh man… was I in for a shock.
How King Kong vs Scar King will be like
I love how when Ceaser shows up, Koba doesn't try to play dumb and be all "Oh my God, Ceaser! You're alive!" Instead he's all like "Nah, fuck you Ceaser."
I love Caesaer and Koba. Both are my favorite characters in this movie.
This was the best film out of the franchise
Koba basically became the very thing he swore destroy.
Caesar: Koba!
Koba: Wassup?
Ceasar: I never yielded! And as you can see, I am not dead!
Love how Cesar keeps roasting Koba with short yet powerful punchlines!
this trilogy is so so so underrated