As a collage artist myself it's always great to refer to these amazing artists for inspiration and ideas. This was a great refresher. Thank you so much
As an Art Teacher of high School, I found this video exceptional in it's inclusion of some of the most important women artists of the the 20th C. (& since)....Also, the way it was woven together was stellar in every way! Please know I am an artist, art educator and very versed in Art History.....and very critical of these youtube videos. I did not see you name, but you passed the test with flying colors!
Dear Susan, thank you for your most kind words. Appreciated! Welcome to the channel, stay tuned for more RUclips videos on Modern & Contemporary Art History. PS: My name is Julien Delagrange and the dog is called Perrier (we forgot to include our name tags at the start of the video). Nice to meet you. Have a great day!
Do you know Eunice Parsons? If not, you may looovveee her, and her work. She was the oldest collage artist that still created at age 100. About Eunice: ruclips.net/video/cNvnberrCAI/видео.html with love Agata
Hi Donna, thank you for tuning in and for taking the time to leave a comment, most appreciated. Happy to get acquainted and looking forward to see you again in our comment section. Have a great day! Julien
Hi Barbara, yes arguably the greatest absentee from our list, but sadly he did not make the cut, even though I am a big fan personally of his works. Thank you for tuning in
@@mariecochran527 The list is assembled using an algorithm measuring objective data and career facts, so this top 20 is not my personal top 20, otherwise I would be imposing my subjective opinion onto others. Doing so, our research is much more valuable from an art scientific perspective. We do not aim to erase anyone, we have simply presented the top 20 (+5 honorable mentions) results of our survey. But we have also had 20 other great names in the comments, making it impossible to fit 40/50 artists in a top 20 of course.
Hi Tezrh, thank you for tuning in. Yes, Schwitters and Hamilton are included, Krasner, De Kooning, Blake, Motherwell, Bearden and Heartfield are perhaps the major absentees who were outranked by this list of 20(+5) artists. Thank you for sharing these illustrious names here who are certainly worthy of a place in this list
I find it interesting that you made Kurt Schwitters and Georges Braque honourable mentions. To me that makes absolutely no sense. I also noticed that you did not include Robert Motherwell.
I can follow your reasoning. When it comes to collage, Braque was as important as Picasso, however the first is ranked 24th and the latter first. The reason why is because we have presented the highest ranked collage artists overall. Doing so, Motherwell was outranked by the 20 names from this list, hence not being included. Big fan of Motherwell personally, happy to see his name mentioned so frequently here. Thank you for tuning in and for the interesting debate.
What???? No Kurt Schwitters??? How can you have a top FIVE collage artists without Schwitters, let alone a top 20????? And what about the seminal influence of John Heartfield and Hannah Hoch upon modern collage artists? These 3 pioneers are clearly visible in your list as the source of their ideas, yet you have included the followers, rather than the innovators in this list.
Hi Colin, we have mentioned Kurt Schwitters in our recital of honorable mentions as he did not enter the top 20 of the Artfacts algorithm, but it was a very close call. As a result I simply had to mention him as an honorable mention, alongside Hannah Hoch. John Heartfield was ranked much lower sadly so we kept it at five honorable mentions. I completely understand your reasoning however. Maybe it could be more interesting to create a more chronological list of collage artists, from Braque and Picasso to Schwitters, Ray, Ernst, Hoch and Arp, to Rauschenberg, Baldessari, Bratescu, Ferrari, to Kruger, Rosler, Spero, ... Instead of showcasing the currently highest ranked artist, a chronological anthology of the most influential artist could present new insights and understandings of the development of collage. In any case, thank you for the critical comment and for tuning in, much appreciated!
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Art facts is laughable--you don't need an some algorithm to tell what is good or not; you have eyes. It's just a database that organizes.....ranking artists?? If Kurt Schwitters is not in the top 5 (probably No. 1), than the list holds is worhtless. This garbage is what has helped lead artists down the road to commodification, exploitation, and irrelevance.
What about Jacques Villéglé, Daniel Spoerri or Christian Marclay? Villéglé made raw collages from public posters since the 1950's. Spoerri made his "tableaux-pièges" (objects collages) since the 1960's. Marclay made collages with music, records, installations, movies since the 1980's. These 3 artists are worldly reknowed while I never heard about most of the ones you mentioned.
What a great recital of arguably major absentees. I can definitely agree Spoerri could be included, although I believe his works tend to go assemblage or simply sculpture instead of collage due to their three-dimensional character
Joyce Kozloff deserves to be here. She has literally brought the viewer into the collage. Maps have become not a comment, visual effect or token background but the theme itself. Sexuality and eroticism have been given a workout that should guarantee them a disquieting dissonant place in art history. Faith Ringgold for the collaged narrative. Romare Beardon for lyrical, dramatic compositions.
I've always loved collage art and naming your favorites. But mine would not and could not be limited to just 20. What about Romare Bearden and David C. Driscoll, or Betye Saar and Faith Ringgold? All great artists, geniuses users of mixed media and collage pieces.
Kruger is one of the more influential on this list, more so than Baldessari even... Going on to influence Supreme streetwear's art direction, which is only a snowball effect of more cultural influence.
Thank you for tuning in. Possibly, yes. I believe the selection using the algorithm is more relevant than the actual ranking-however from my personal perspective I tend to favor Baldessari a bit more, without contesting Kruger's tremendous influence of course. Have a great day!
@@contemporaryartissue Hello, thank you. Tried doing another collage & got in a real scrambled mess so now doing a little painting - or trying to. Thank you for your videos = loads of work!
Yes!! Terrific suggestion of an artist who is al too often forgotten! Thank you so much for adding Mimmo Rotella to the discussion, and thank you for tuning in
Thanks for this interesting video, i understand you can't mention all the important collage artist. Let me tell you i expected Jiri Kolar to be here. Keep on doing!
Thanks for the video and getting to know the collage artists, in fact, there are so many original works that are created that are really talented. A lot of factors affect the execution of collage, the advantage of collage is the ability to use a huge amount of materials for implementation.
Hi Ivan, thank you for tuning in. Very well put to words, I also find the journey towards those materials most interesting. Where does the artist start? What is he searching for? Best wishes from Belgium
@@contemporaryartissue I think an artist starts by expressing his thoughts, which often people don't pay attention to. And looking for - naturally recognition. An artist should tend not to seek, but to create and create!
As a Corporate Art Consultant since 1978 , a certified appraiser with the Appraisers Association of America (AAA), and who happens to be an African American Woman who is 75 years old. All I can say to your comment is Wow!
@@contemporaryartissue Well, why? I’d have put him near five. BTW- what debate? I’m quite sure you understand I’m asking why he’s left off your list. Nevermind, I rather doubt I’d be satisfied.
@@williamwoody7607 The list is assembled using an algorithm measuring objective data and career facts, so this top 20 is not my personal top 20, otherwise I would be imposing my subjective opinion onto others. Doing so, our research is much more valuable from an art scientific perspective. That's why, otherwise I believe he would be in my personal top 20 for sure. I am referring to the comment section in general when I say 'the debate'. I love to see what names are also worth mentioning here, resulting in a lively discussion of influential collage artists. Hope this satisfies your question slightly
II cannot believe you dared to make a list of collage artists and not have one of the greatest of all time! ROMARE BEARDEN! An amazing African American artist who was one of the main starters of the Harlem Renaissance. What a shame, he definitely is a top collager well known and respected. I implore you to research him and dare you not to fall in love with his work.
Hi MiMi, I can feel your passion for Bearden's collage into my office right now. I am a big fan as well of Romare Bearden, so I believe its a bit too late for me not to fall in love with his works. However, with this list (as with almost all our lists), we use an algorithm to rank these artists and sadly Bearden was outranked by the 20(+5) names from this video. But thrilled to see his name here in the comments for sure, thank you for tuning in
@@contemporaryartissue This is dangerous that algorithms may decide our new reality over the generations that were influenced by the likes of Bearden. Our eyes don't lie.
I think if someone were to make a list of the ‘Top/Most Famous/Best Algorithms of All Time”, the one CAI has been using to judge art would not be on it. 😉
@@mikemassenburg5983 The algorithm is able to provide interesting results, but they still need to be interpreted with a critical pair of eyes and mind of course. The main reason why we adore to use the Artfacts algorithm is because it enables us to approach fame/popularity/pertinence in an objective manner. Otherwise, depending on the person who creates the list, it would be entirely different. If I would make them, I would be imposing my personal opinion to you, which I don't feel comfortable with. Instead, with this algorithm, we can create these rankings in a very coherent and consistent manner. It crawls all artists in the world, so every artist is considered, and it can often show a discrepancy between our perception of fame of specific artist versus reality. To conclude, it is a very interesting discussion and yes the algorithm is not perfect as we still need to interpret the results critically. But I strongly believe this is a great tool for art scientific insights, which is exactly what we aim to achieve with these results.
@@gstavella Well, it isn't ours but by Artfacts. I highly recommend using the insights subscription by Artfacts, it is by far the most sophisticated and most complete database about the art world.
Hi Andreas, of course they are. They simply did not outrank the likes of Baldessari, Rauschenberg or Picasso. Thank you for tuning in and adding these illustrious names to the discussion
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seems to me Duchamp's "The Bride Stripped Bare.." and even "Given the Waterfall and the Illuminated Gas" would put him high on the list, but he isn't even mentioned. I guess you don't see his work as collage. he used ready mades in fact named them. How about the "green box" and Belle Haleine, Eau de Voilette. For me all of these works make him a stand out.
Very nice summary of such an important artistic discipline 👏 👍 You know, I heard somewhere that Picasso used "collage" to finally find out on how to depict Flatness (Synthetic Cubism), something he was struggling with together with his friend Braque.
Hi Emilio, thank you for tuning in and for sharing this most interesting comment. I believe I somewhere read the same thing. Flatness wasn't born with Abstract Expressionism but with the emergence of collage art and Cubism.
The principal issue with this video is that the algorithm which "ranks" these artists seems dysfunctional. It's difficult to believe that the results are not fundamentally errant. As the comments demonstrate, many well-known artists whose distinctive contributions to collage are indisputable have been neglected in favor of relative unknowns who are nowhere near "famous," while others seem to have been ranked inordinately. What parameters were used in the development of the algorithm? What "career facts?" How was the algorithm's functional validity evaluated? The use of an algorithm does not produce an appropriate result unless the algorithm provides a satisfactory approximation of real-world decision-making. Most algorithms are initially defective and require significant refinement based on extensive human interaction before they prove useful. While ranking lists are inherently controversial -- and all the ranked artists are worthy of inclusion in the collage conversation -- this algorithmic list does not appear to be either "reasoned" or "objective." Nevertheless, it does bring worthwhile attention to several collagists who deserve broader recognition.
The list has been created by an algorithm (by Artfacts) which ranks artists based upon objective data and career facts (such as shows at major institutions, auction results, biennials, collections, et cetera). It is by far perfect, agreed. However I do believe it offers a very interesting and valuable intersection of the art world or artists. I believe it is more valuable than imposing the opinion of one of our writers of myself. However, as you have mentioned, it should go hand in hand with human interaction, in the sense that it needs to be interpreted with a critical mind. Thank you for this comment and thank you for tuning in!
These are very interesting points. I am also wondering about this ranking system and why Picasso is #1 while Braque only gets an honorable mention, even though they were creating similar innovations at the same time in art history. I'm guessing the algorithm is unfairly weighted in favor of Picasso because his career as a whole has received so much attention, and that it's not only looking at their roles in the history of collage itself.
Inderdaad, 1937 zoals op het scherm zichtbaar is de correcte datum. Mijn moedertaal kwam even in opstand tegen het Engels vrees ik 😅 Thank you very much!
You left out Nissan Engle. Born in Israel 1931, died in Paris 2016. He is the most gifted collage artist I have ever witnessed on exhibit with the exception of Picasso and Matisse. However the mixed media art of the latter two is not really collage to me. Research NE if you wish to see what I consider collage.
Hi Shawn, thank you for tuning in! Yes, a major absentee in this list-was surprised not to find him in the top 20 results of our survey but I am delighted to see his name pop up so frequently in the comment section.
Won't make anyone's too 20, but who cares: Stu Horn, collage artist and songwriter from Philadelphia. Died in 2008. Some of his work was in Northwest Mounted Valise, and he was part of a show at the Met, but most of the best stuff is with his family now. He was big in the mail art movement. Wrote lyrics for Childrens Television Workshop.
why no Eduardo Paolozzi or Winston Smith. Would have liked a list of artists where collage was their main medium, not someone like Picasso who pretty much tried every medium.
John Heartfield is a terrific collage artist. Personally, I am a big fan. However, he did not outrank the likes of Baldessari, Rauschenberg or Picasso in the Artfacts algorithm. Thank you for tuning in and adding John Heartfelt to the discussion!
Hi Bill, thank you for tuning in. Yes, I was baffled as well. He was not in the top 20 so I had to mention him in the honorable mentions section for sure. Have great day
Of course, I mixed up the numbers while recording as we pronounce double digit numbers the other way around in Dutch. My apologies! But we made sure we wrote it down correctly at the bottom left of the video 😉
How could you not include San Francisco's Jess? He was radicalized by working on the atomic bomb during WWII, then spent the rest of his life creating large, amazing collages, look him up! And how about Winston Smith, who was and remains the king of the Lowbrow collage makers, he published several books full of funny political collages and his money tree graced the cover of the New Yorker! Also, look him up!
We had a big walk just before filming this and believe she wanted me to stop talking and have a peaceful nap, I can tell from the big yawns and sleepy eyes. Thank you for tuning Billy, most appreciated! All my best, Julien
I am always annoyed by how collage is brought back to Georges Braque and Pablo Picasso when artists like Mary Delaney and those who created the early chigiri-e works existed long before. The history of paper is long; and for almost as long as it has been created, some form of collage has existed.
As a collage artist myself it's always great to refer to these amazing artists for inspiration and ideas. This was a great refresher. Thank you so much
You are absolutely right. Happy to hear the selection inspired you. Wishing you all the best!
Yes. Sometimes I like the art of collage as a tool.
This is truly refreshing. -:))
As an Art Teacher of high School, I found this video exceptional in it's inclusion of some of the most important women artists of the the 20th C. (& since)....Also, the way it was woven together was stellar in every way! Please know I am an artist, art educator and very versed in Art History.....and very critical of these youtube videos. I did not see you name, but you passed the test with flying colors!
Dear Susan, thank you for your most kind words. Appreciated! Welcome to the channel, stay tuned for more RUclips videos on Modern & Contemporary Art History. PS: My name is Julien Delagrange and the dog is called Perrier (we forgot to include our name tags at the start of the video). Nice to meet you. Have a great day!
I can't agree more!
Very good!
Do you know Eunice Parsons? If not, you may looovveee her, and her work. She was the oldest collage artist that still created at age 100.
About Eunice:
ruclips.net/video/cNvnberrCAI/видео.html
with love
Agata
Love, love your calm, thoughtful presentation! Suscribed, and look forward to following you!!
Hi Donna, thank you for tuning in and for taking the time to leave a comment, most appreciated. Happy to get acquainted and looking forward to see you again in our comment section. Have a great day! Julien
How was it possible that you did not mention Romare Bearden (1911-1988)? This is very shocking.
Hi Barbara, yes arguably the greatest absentee from our list, but sadly he did not make the cut, even though I am a big fan personally of his works. Thank you for tuning in
You say sadly but WHY NOT????? 🤬 By leaving him out you are perpetuating the erasure of a SIGNIFICANT ARTIST!!!! who is also African American.
@@mariecochran527 The list is assembled using an algorithm measuring objective data and career facts, so this top 20 is not my personal top 20, otherwise I would be imposing my subjective opinion onto others. Doing so, our research is much more valuable from an art scientific perspective. We do not aim to erase anyone, we have simply presented the top 20 (+5 honorable mentions) results of our survey. But we have also had 20 other great names in the comments, making it impossible to fit 40/50 artists in a top 20 of course.
Couldn't agree more. An egregious omission.
This will prompt me to explore Bearden. Thank you for mentioning him, widening my discovery of this medium. --KateColors
Loving the strong representation of women in your list! Still somewhat rare to find in many art videos.
Excellent. Thanks for posting.
The pleasure is all mine!
Kurt Schwitters. Also worthy of note; Lee Krasner, Willem De Kooning, Robert Motherwell, Peter Blake, Richard Hamilton
Hi Tezrh, thank you for tuning in. Yes, Schwitters and Hamilton are included, Krasner, De Kooning, Blake, Motherwell, Bearden and Heartfield are perhaps the major absentees who were outranked by this list of 20(+5) artists. Thank you for sharing these illustrious names here who are certainly worthy of a place in this list
Thanks. This was so insightful,
The pleasure is all mine! 🙌
Very interesting presentation and lecture. Thank you.
Why did your nice dog leave…? -:)
Thank you 🙏
Probably hungry, thirsty, sleepy or all of the above 😂
Thank you, most inspirational ❤
My pleasure! Thank you for tuning in 🙌
Thanks for your work, your videos are really interesting for people who love art..✌
Hi Albatroz, thank for those very kind words. Much appreciated, the pleasure is all mine!
Hannah Hock , was a German , Dada, artist who made some of the the first photo montage and a ground breaking collage artist.
Yes, ground-breaking indeed-hence being included and the artist of our thumbnail of this video. Thank you David for tuning in!
I find it interesting that you made Kurt Schwitters and Georges Braque honourable mentions. To me that makes absolutely no sense. I also noticed that you did not include Robert Motherwell.
I can follow your reasoning. When it comes to collage, Braque was as important as Picasso, however the first is ranked 24th and the latter first. The reason why is because we have presented the highest ranked collage artists overall. Doing so, Motherwell was outranked by the 20 names from this list, hence not being included. Big fan of Motherwell personally, happy to see his name mentioned so frequently here. Thank you for tuning in and for the interesting debate.
Thank you for putting this video together. Great place to start for a deep dive. --KateColors
Hi Kate, the pleasure is all mine. Enjoy!
This is so inspiring thank you!
The pleasure is all men, thank you for tuning in!
Very instructive video! I really love collage. It is so versatile and give an interesting dimension to a piece!
Hi Jocelyne, thank you so much for tuning in. Collage is indeed terrific, absolutely enjoyed making this video.
@@contemporaryartissue Please, continue! It is most appreciated to find such interesting and instructive material, as yours, posted on RUclips!
@@jocelyneprovost295 Will certainly do, thank you for your most kind words, makes my day! All my best, Julien
What???? No Kurt Schwitters??? How can you have a top FIVE collage artists without Schwitters, let alone a top 20????? And what about the seminal influence of John Heartfield and Hannah Hoch upon modern collage artists? These 3 pioneers are clearly visible in your list as the source of their ideas, yet you have included the followers, rather than the innovators in this list.
Agreed plus Peter Blake and Moholy Nagy? Good summary otherwise
Hi Colin, we have mentioned Kurt Schwitters in our recital of honorable mentions as he did not enter the top 20 of the Artfacts algorithm, but it was a very close call. As a result I simply had to mention him as an honorable mention, alongside Hannah Hoch. John Heartfield was ranked much lower sadly so we kept it at five honorable mentions. I completely understand your reasoning however. Maybe it could be more interesting to create a more chronological list of collage artists, from Braque and Picasso to Schwitters, Ray, Ernst, Hoch and Arp, to Rauschenberg, Baldessari, Bratescu, Ferrari, to Kruger, Rosler, Spero, ... Instead of showcasing the currently highest ranked artist, a chronological anthology of the most influential artist could present new insights and understandings of the development of collage. In any case, thank you for the critical comment and for tuning in, much appreciated!
Yes! Thank you for adding these illustrious names here in the comments, and thank you for tuning in!
Yeah, it's ridiculous. Art facts is laughable--you don't need an some algorithm to tell what is good or not; you have eyes. It's just a database that organizes.....ranking artists?? If Kurt Schwitters is not in the top 5 (probably No. 1), than the list holds is worhtless. This garbage is what has helped lead artists down the road to commodification, exploitation, and irrelevance.
Conrad Marca-Relli ?
Thanks for the information, collage it is great
It certainly is! Thank you for tuning in, much appreciated!
What about Jacques Villéglé, Daniel Spoerri or Christian Marclay?
Villéglé made raw collages from public posters since the 1950's.
Spoerri made his "tableaux-pièges" (objects collages) since the 1960's.
Marclay made collages with music, records, installations, movies since the 1980's.
These 3 artists are worldly reknowed while I never heard about most of the ones you mentioned.
What a great recital of arguably major absentees. I can definitely agree Spoerri could be included, although I believe his works tend to go assemblage or simply sculpture instead of collage due to their three-dimensional character
Joyce Kozloff deserves to be here. She has literally brought the viewer into the collage. Maps have become not a comment, visual effect or token background but the theme itself. Sexuality and eroticism have been given a workout that should guarantee them a disquieting dissonant place in art history. Faith Ringgold for the collaged narrative. Romare Beardon for lyrical, dramatic compositions.
Thanks for this interesting video. But where was Mickalene Thomas?
I've always loved collage art and naming your favorites. But mine would not and could not be limited to just 20. What about Romare Bearden and David C. Driscoll, or Betye Saar and Faith Ringgold? All great artists, geniuses users of mixed media and collage pieces.
No Romare Bearden? Famous African American collage artist ...
Sadly he did not make the cut, big fan of his work! Thank you for tuning in Richard
I was thinking the same thing. James Rosenquist didn't make the cut either apparently.
@@andrewchambers9752 Exactly, we'll be needing more spots apparently to include all these masters
great job, thank you for the video
Kruger is one of the more influential on this list, more so than Baldessari even...
Going on to influence Supreme streetwear's art direction, which is only a snowball effect of more cultural influence.
Thank you for tuning in. Possibly, yes. I believe the selection using the algorithm is more relevant than the actual ranking-however from my personal perspective I tend to favor Baldessari a bit more, without contesting Kruger's tremendous influence of course. Have a great day!
Thank you for this - very interesting.
Hi Jenny, how have you been? Thank you so much for tuning in, much appreciated!
@@contemporaryartissue Hello, thank you. Tried doing another collage & got in a real scrambled mess so now doing a little painting - or trying to. Thank you for your videos = loads of work!
I can't believe you missed one of the most important collage artists of the 1960s and beyond. The Italian collage artist Mimmo Rotella!
Yes!! Terrific suggestion of an artist who is al too often forgotten! Thank you so much for adding Mimmo Rotella to the discussion, and thank you for tuning in
@@contemporaryartissue xxx xx.
Thanks for this interesting video, i understand you can't mention all the important collage artist. Let me tell you i expected Jiri Kolar to be here. Keep on doing!
Thank you so much for tuning in and for your comment. Great suggestion, thanks! Have a great day
Great video but I’m shocked that there is no mention of Lance Letscher.
Thanks for the video and getting to know the collage artists, in fact, there are so many original works that are created that are really talented. A lot of factors affect the execution of collage, the advantage of collage is the ability to use a huge amount of materials for implementation.
Hi Ivan, thank you for tuning in. Very well put to words, I also find the journey towards those materials most interesting. Where does the artist start? What is he searching for? Best wishes from Belgium
@@contemporaryartissue I think an artist starts by expressing his thoughts, which often people don't pay attention to. And looking for - naturally recognition. An artist should tend not to seek, but to create and create!
@@ivanklymenko I agree with you 100%!
Whose art is that above the couch you are sitting on in the video? Thank you for putting this together.
Hi there, thank you for tuning in. They are mine actually, thank you for your interest!
You’ve forgotten Motherwell! His collages are very delicate and beautiful-much more than his paintings.
Excellent suggestion! Thank you for tuning in
Well done brother, that was a great explanation. Socially broad in the artists chosen and nicely presented. Solid
Hi Martin, thank you so much for your kind words. I appreciate you!
Gracias por el gran contenido.
Aprendí mucho
Thank you so much for your most kind words. Much appreciated!
Also Eunice Parsons would deserve a mention too. She's turned 100 some years ago, by the way.
Great video
Thank you so much for tuning in and for your most kind words
As a Corporate Art Consultant since 1978 , a certified appraiser with the Appraisers Association of America (AAA), and who happens to be an African American Woman who is 75 years old. All I can say to your comment is Wow!
Hi Barbara, I hope you are doing well. To what comment and by who are you referring to? Have a great day
Hello, I was replying to Romare Bearden regarding that he did not make your list.
Joseph Cornell appears nowhere on the list? Not even honorable mention?
Hi William, terrific suggestion. But no, sadly he did not make the cut. Thank you for adding his name to the debate here in the comments.
@@contemporaryartissue Well, why? I’d have put him near five.
BTW- what debate? I’m quite sure you understand I’m asking why he’s left off your list. Nevermind, I rather doubt I’d be satisfied.
@@williamwoody7607 The list is assembled using an algorithm measuring objective data and career facts, so this top 20 is not my personal top 20, otherwise I would be imposing my subjective opinion onto others. Doing so, our research is much more valuable from an art scientific perspective. That's why, otherwise I believe he would be in my personal top 20 for sure. I am referring to the comment section in general when I say 'the debate'. I love to see what names are also worth mentioning here, resulting in a lively discussion of influential collage artists. Hope this satisfies your question slightly
Nice video
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Great List 😊 Collage is my favourite medium 🖤
Collage is great! A great exercise or medium for any visual artist
Perrier spat her ball out when she heard Hannah Höch was only an honourable mention lol
Haha spot on! And she is the real expert to be honest. Thank you for tuning in Dan, greetings from Perrier and myself
@@contemporaryartissue always a pleasure
And love your cute doggy !
Yes! She really is! Greetings from us both from Belgium
II cannot believe you dared to make a list of collage artists and not have one of the greatest of all time! ROMARE BEARDEN! An amazing African American artist who was one of the main starters of the Harlem Renaissance.
What a shame, he definitely is a top collager well known and respected. I implore you to research him and dare you not to fall in love with his work.
Hi MiMi, I can feel your passion for Bearden's collage into my office right now. I am a big fan as well of Romare Bearden, so I believe its a bit too late for me not to fall in love with his works. However, with this list (as with almost all our lists), we use an algorithm to rank these artists and sadly Bearden was outranked by the 20(+5) names from this video. But thrilled to see his name here in the comments for sure, thank you for tuning in
@@contemporaryartissue This is dangerous that algorithms may decide our new reality over the generations that were influenced by the likes of Bearden. Our eyes don't lie.
I think if someone were to make a list of the ‘Top/Most Famous/Best Algorithms of All Time”, the one CAI has been using to judge art would not be on it. 😉
@@mikemassenburg5983 The algorithm is able to provide interesting results, but they still need to be interpreted with a critical pair of eyes and mind of course. The main reason why we adore to use the Artfacts algorithm is because it enables us to approach fame/popularity/pertinence in an objective manner. Otherwise, depending on the person who creates the list, it would be entirely different. If I would make them, I would be imposing my personal opinion to you, which I don't feel comfortable with. Instead, with this algorithm, we can create these rankings in a very coherent and consistent manner. It crawls all artists in the world, so every artist is considered, and it can often show a discrepancy between our perception of fame of specific artist versus reality. To conclude, it is a very interesting discussion and yes the algorithm is not perfect as we still need to interpret the results critically. But I strongly believe this is a great tool for art scientific insights, which is exactly what we aim to achieve with these results.
@@gstavella Well, it isn't ours but by Artfacts. I highly recommend using the insights subscription by Artfacts, it is by far the most sophisticated and most complete database about the art world.
So it’s like DJing or producing for images. Dope.
Guys help me out here.. what is Derek Gores, Patrick Bremer, Carme Magem, Arnaud Bauville, Sasha Bom categorized into? Arent they collage artists?
Hi Andreas, of course they are. They simply did not outrank the likes of Baldessari, Rauschenberg or Picasso. Thank you for tuning in and adding these illustrious names to the discussion
Charming list
Another honerable mention: Frida Orupabo
Great suggestion!
Thank you so much
Thank you 👏👏👏
Segment left out a better known collage artist than some mentioned in this segment: John Heartfield
Hi Robert, thank you for tuning in. Yes, a major absentee without any doubt is John Heartfield. Sadly he did not make the cut.
Sean Hillen is to me a glaring omission in any list of important and influential collage artists; not even an honourable mention beforehand!
Hi Karl, happy to see Sean Hillen being mentioned in the comments. Sadly he did not make the cut for this list, major absentee indeed!
we did not had a regime in Yugoslavia!!! we had a AMAZING life. lots of amazing artist,acters,bands, musicians,models ...we were happy for mamy many years. i love the video by the way.
seems to me Duchamp's "The Bride Stripped Bare.." and even "Given the Waterfall and the Illuminated Gas" would put him high on the list, but he isn't even mentioned. I guess you don't see his work as collage. he used ready mades in fact named them. How about the "green box" and Belle Haleine, Eau de Voilette. For me all of these works make him a stand out.
Very cool
Difícil tarea seleccionar 20 artistas del collage pero no incluir a Joan Gris?
Joan Gris is a terrific suggestion indeed! Sadly, didn't make the cut. Thank you for tuning in!
Very nice summary of such an important artistic discipline 👏 👍
You know, I heard somewhere that Picasso used "collage" to finally find out on how to depict Flatness (Synthetic Cubism), something he was struggling with together with his friend Braque.
Hi Emilio, thank you for tuning in and for sharing this most interesting comment. I believe I somewhere read the same thing. Flatness wasn't born with Abstract Expressionism but with the emergence of collage art and Cubism.
what is the best glue choice according to you? ( for professional collage artists)
acrylic gel medium! I prefer soft gels as they're easier to apply
Agreed with Lukas!
But you don't mention Romare Bearden?
Major absentee for sure! Thank you for tuning in
After Henri Matisse, Georges Braque, and Pablo Picasso; I would place Romare Bearden
I completely agree!
David Hockney was born in 1937, not 1973 as stated. Regardless, good video with many interesting creators.
Excellent.
The principal issue with this video is that the algorithm which "ranks" these artists seems dysfunctional. It's difficult to believe that the results are not fundamentally errant. As the comments demonstrate, many well-known artists whose distinctive contributions to collage are indisputable have been neglected in favor of relative unknowns who are nowhere near "famous," while others seem to have been ranked inordinately. What parameters were used in the development of the algorithm? What "career facts?" How was the algorithm's functional validity evaluated? The use of an algorithm does not produce an appropriate result unless the algorithm provides a satisfactory approximation of real-world decision-making. Most algorithms are initially defective and require significant refinement based on extensive human interaction before they prove useful. While ranking lists are inherently controversial -- and all the ranked artists are worthy of inclusion in the collage conversation -- this algorithmic list does not appear to be either "reasoned" or "objective." Nevertheless, it does bring worthwhile attention to several collagists who deserve broader recognition.
The list has been created by an algorithm (by Artfacts) which ranks artists based upon objective data and career facts (such as shows at major institutions, auction results, biennials, collections, et cetera). It is by far perfect, agreed. However I do believe it offers a very interesting and valuable intersection of the art world or artists. I believe it is more valuable than imposing the opinion of one of our writers of myself. However, as you have mentioned, it should go hand in hand with human interaction, in the sense that it needs to be interpreted with a critical mind. Thank you for this comment and thank you for tuning in!
These are very interesting points. I am also wondering about this ranking system and why Picasso is #1 while Braque only gets an honorable mention, even though they were creating similar innovations at the same time in art history. I'm guessing the algorithm is unfairly weighted in favor of Picasso because his career as a whole has received so much attention, and that it's not only looking at their roles in the history of collage itself.
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Ik ben er bijna zeker van, dat Hockney niet in 1973 geboren is.
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Inderdaad, 1937 zoals op het scherm zichtbaar is de correcte datum. Mijn moedertaal kwam even in opstand tegen het Engels vrees ik 😅 Thank you very much!
What a loyal pup!
You left out Nissan Engle. Born in Israel 1931, died in Paris 2016. He is the most gifted collage artist I have ever witnessed on exhibit with the exception of Picasso and Matisse. However the mixed media art of the latter two is not really collage to me. Research NE if you wish to see what I consider collage.
Good suggestion, Nissan Engel was taken into consideration for this list but sadly did not make the cut. Interesting works for sure!
Sorry, but David Hockney was born in 1937, not in 1973 (a typo with the teleprompter, I presume).😀
Thank you for the video but leaving out John Heartfield made me sad.
Hi Shawn, thank you for tuning in! Yes, a major absentee in this list-was surprised not to find him in the top 20 results of our survey but I am delighted to see his name pop up so frequently in the comment section.
I like the dog.
She's the best!
REALLY INTERESTING INFO.
AS AN ARTIST MYSELF I MUST SAY THAT COLLAGE IS SO LIBERATING....
Go for it!
Also why is Henri Matisse not here? His collage is one of the biggest influences in modern design
Henri Matisse is number 6 in this list. Thank you for tuning in!
@@contemporaryartissue seeing this now thanks
I know a Romanian artist doing ceramics and lately collage. Carmen Mavrea ( Tanase). Full of imagination. You should check her out.
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Would have expected to see Adolf Wolfli in here. Great Video nonetheless.
Hi Ian, thank you for tuning in and for adding Adolf Wolfli to the discussion here in the comments.
Won't make anyone's too 20, but who cares: Stu Horn, collage artist and songwriter from Philadelphia. Died in 2008. Some of his work was in Northwest Mounted Valise, and he was part of a show at the Met, but most of the best stuff is with his family now. He was big in the mail art movement. Wrote lyrics for Childrens Television Workshop.
Very interesting work, thank you for adding his name here in the comments. One of many terrific suggestions. Thank you for tuning in!
why no Eduardo Paolozzi or Winston Smith. Would have liked a list of artists where collage was their main medium, not someone like Picasso who pretty much tried every medium.
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I believe Darren Engleman should be #1 of collage art. He actually is artistic in his painting skills AND collage analogies.
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How do you dare to make a video about collage and John Heartfield is not included?
John Heartfield is a terrific collage artist. Personally, I am a big fan. However, he did not outrank the likes of Baldessari, Rauschenberg or Picasso in the Artfacts algorithm. Thank you for tuning in and adding John Heartfelt to the discussion!
León Ferrari ♥️
Such a terrific artist!
@@contemporaryartissue Yes... more in that time with the dictator regime and religious.
@@fransergeit6311 Exactly!
Missing Joseph Cornell, a real master of collage
Thank you for adding his name here in the comments. Have a great day!
Small typo. ‘Kara Walker: California, UK’ 😛
Oops... Thank you for your sharp eye 😁 And our apologies!
Where is Joseph Cornell?
ROMARE BEARDEN, David Driskell
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Doggy cute
She really is! Sleepy eyes at the end of the video
I liked your video, but the dog seemed kinda bored.
We just did a big walk and she probably wanted to have a nap in the couch in peace and quiet 😂
Jacob Lawrence? Romare Bearden?
Kurt Schwitters only makes honorable mention???
Hi Bill, thank you for tuning in. Yes, I was baffled as well. He was not in the top 20 so I had to mention him in the honorable mentions section for sure. Have great day
Have you not heard of Romare Bearben?
I missed Joe Downing, the abstract collagist, who invented the Stapleage.
Very interesting, thank you for adding his name here in the comments!
David Hockney 1937 not 1973 😉
Of course, I mixed up the numbers while recording as we pronounce double digit numbers the other way around in Dutch. My apologies! But we made sure we wrote it down correctly at the bottom left of the video 😉
How could you not include San Francisco's Jess? He was radicalized by working on the atomic bomb during WWII, then spent the rest of his life creating large, amazing collages, look him up! And how about Winston Smith, who was and remains the king of the Lowbrow collage makers, he published several books full of funny political collages and his money tree graced the cover of the New Yorker! Also, look him up!
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Interesting , but many important artists are not mentioned. In terms of the presentation ; crop
the presenter’s busy hands and the dog.
I can get on board with cropping my hands, but not the dog right?
@@contemporaryartissue uhmmmmmmm this person is insane and miserable .... add MORE DOGS !!!! ADORE the pupper in this vid 😍 what a cutie !!!!!!!
Excellent video but I think your dog wants to go out....
We had a big walk just before filming this and believe she wanted me to stop talking and have a peaceful nap, I can tell from the big yawns and sleepy eyes. Thank you for tuning Billy, most appreciated! All my best, Julien
I like collage
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I am always annoyed by how collage is brought back to Georges Braque and Pablo Picasso when artists like Mary Delaney and those who created the early chigiri-e works existed long before. The history of paper is long; and for almost as long as it has been created, some form of collage has existed.
Burhan Dogancay from New York???
Great suggestion!
Without a trace of irony in his voice...
David Hockney was born 1937 not 1973
a joke. No Cornell or Bearden? Hockney at #3--too funny.
Cornell and Bearden sadly did not make the cut. Hockney could not miss out of course. Thank you for tuning in and have a great day!
Remarcable visions
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