Man with a Movie Camera and the Truth in the Movie-Eye - Brows Held High

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  • What the greatest film about filmmaking can teach us about truth in the frame.
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  • @SilverFeet
    @SilverFeet 8 лет назад +121

    One of the first things you learn in photography is that there is no such thing as an unaltered photograph. Cameras have a narrower range of brightness than the human eye, so you have to fiddle with the camera settings to adjust where that range is, what details get captured or lost in the darkness and or brightness and these setting also alter the motion blur, focal length, and graininess of the image. the lens itself alters the distances between objects. This means even before you capture the image, your altering what you see in the viewfinder. And developing/printing alters the image even further. I'm sure most of this translates into film so I may not be saying anything new, but the idea that even an "un-photoshopped" image didn't tell "the truth" was mind blowing to me.

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +17

      +Brian Jensen Very true and very well said.

    • @Zennistrad1
      @Zennistrad1 8 лет назад +2

      +KyleKallgrenBHH PhilosophyTube and PBS Idea Channel recently did a collaboration where they touched upon this.

    • @orian57
      @orian57 8 лет назад +2

      +Brian Jensen Yeah, consider my mind a little blown there too, makes perfect sense now that you've told me that but it never even entered my mind before.

    • @judegnelson
      @judegnelson Год назад +1

      Well it gets deeper when you consider that you can communicate stories in film. There is a lot of deception there

  • @Madison-ur2qn
    @Madison-ur2qn 8 лет назад +34

    The idea of an artist admitting "I am lying" reminds me of your F For Fake video- love how you come back to themes!

    • @masonallen3961
      @masonallen3961 4 года назад +1

      Federico Fellini once said something similar. “I’m a liar, but an honest one."

    • @rwolfson1935
      @rwolfson1935 4 года назад +1

      @@masonallen3961 Fantastic comment. Fellini's direction reflects essences of life and humanity, whereas most Hollywood direction is a compilation of overly produced images and falsehoods. Fellini told a story honestly.

  • @ChristianNeihart
    @ChristianNeihart 8 лет назад +76

    Wish I had something interesting to say or contribute other than: God damn is the art of movie making fascinating to learn about. I got my work cut out for me.

    • @ThePonderer
      @ThePonderer 8 лет назад +1

      What he said

    • @lddevo88
      @lddevo88 8 лет назад +1

      Ditto

    • @shockout2020
      @shockout2020 8 лет назад +1

      Same

    • @blackoutcity123
      @blackoutcity123 5 лет назад

      It's a lot, and it really makes you think about a medium you might rather passively consume (which is why a lot of people don't want to do it seriously). That's why I admire Kyle so much. Growing up, he (and a lot of other former Channel Awesome content creators) basically took me to film school. Now, I'm studying film theory in college, and I love it. Truly learning about a movie you love is a great pleasure. So is discovering old classics that you otherwise would never have watched. So, while I'm not gonna go into the film industry myself, these videos, and the way they taught me to watch movies are a big part of how I define myself

  • @chibikonatsu
    @chibikonatsu 8 лет назад +2

    The comparison of Vertov's Kino-Eye and Magritte's Treachery of Images was brilliant. Thank you as always for sharing this.

  • @Whatismoo
    @Whatismoo 8 лет назад +7

    This was really great to watch! It's nice to see soviet cinema get more recognition on this channel. I find it all very interesting.

  • @StanisMaia
    @StanisMaia 8 лет назад +29

    okay, I checked all the comments below and no one seems to mention it, so I will. So it might be fun for you to learn that Vertov's " Man With a movie-camera " (человек с киноаппаратом) is an official logo of ВГИК (the All-Russian State University of Cinematography) Like, it's literally on everything related to the school including documents and the front wall.
    As a former student of the mentioned University, I should say that it was really nice to see you dive into the subject. Every time I watch your videos I think how you would've fit right in there. I'm a bit restricted by the language to discuss it further though, but I'm always looking forward to your reviews and keep up the good work. =)
    P/S And yes I agree with the language stuff mentioned earlier. Фильма - as female old version was really a thing, though modern version is фильм. Киноок - is not a word , I think it's just a typo. You must've ment Кино-око. And the proper translation of неигровое кино is non-fiction film. The term is still in active use, just saying. But thumbs up for always diving into the etymology stuff. I looove me a man with a respect and passion for the linguistics.
    P/P/S Obsessed with Shakespeare month, really hope to see one this year too. =)

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +10

      +Maia Stanis Thanks! I should clarify my sources. I got "Фильма" from Graham Robert's companion book for Man With a Movie Camera and he intentionally used the older form, since it was the form that Vertov himself would have used. I didn't know that sounded archaic in modern Russian. Separating the "ne" in "neigrovaya" was totally my mistake, though.
      And "Kinok" is an Anglicization of the term Vertov used - it's the word I've always seen in English language sources about Vertov. I suppose when it went into English we made Кино-око into the portmanteau of "kinok," the same way that "information commercial" became "infomercial" or "picture element" became "pixel."
      And it's really impressive that you got to go to ВГИК. It must've been a wonderful opportunity. And Shakespeare is definitely on again this year!

    • @StanisMaia
      @StanisMaia 8 лет назад +9

      +KyleKallgrenBHH Thanks for the answer! Oh, well that definetly clarifies things, the anglicization of the word is a fascinating thing. Now it does seem pretty funny and pretty ignorant of me - not even thinking that kinda thing could happen. I think I'm just used to more widely used languages to be integrated and deformed in some ways. Like Romano-Germanic ones. (not sure I'm using the right term for that)
      Opportunity it was.... In my opinion, ВГИК is an old-fashioned cluster of ancient crazy people who can either show you wonders or waste your time completely. They don't have normal structure and about a half of the professors are great artists but shitty teachers who are employed due to their artistic achievements. Which provides for a very unique....well everything. There is no control over some of them scarring youngsters mentally for life, or heavily imposing their own ideologies. (There is a Hogwarts joke somewhere here)
      My partner is getting a masters in Animation at Savannah, Georgia right now and comparing notes we were shocked at how differently americans approach the education in arts.
      Sorry for me ranting away like that. Shakespeare yaaaaaaaaaaay ^___^ * "Will Power" from "Something Rotten" playing in the background*

    • @GregJagged
      @GregJagged 2 года назад

      So, as we speak about words and translations, there is very important declaration in the opening titles, words from the master:
      „This experimental work aims at creating a truly international language of cinema based on its absolute separation from the language of Theatre and Literature”.
      Beside
      Bravo! my man!! :)

  • @NicholasDune
    @NicholasDune 8 лет назад +3

    That was spectacular. I'm so glad I'm one of your patrons.

  • @DinoJake
    @DinoJake 8 лет назад +1

    I love how Kyle makes videos that routinely blow my mind.

  • @Crowvamp1979
    @Crowvamp1979 8 лет назад +1

    Bravo! I have enjoyed your show for a long time, and you just seem to get better and better!

  • @IIIIMavIIII
    @IIIIMavIIII 8 лет назад

    I'm sure you talked about this movie before so i almost hit back thinking it was a re-upload...i'm damn glad i stuck with it!

  • @liamjay6844
    @liamjay6844 8 лет назад

    We did this in university a few years ago, this analysis is just perfection! Beautiful work!

  • @VeryMacabre
    @VeryMacabre 8 лет назад

    Incredible video, easily my favorite of yours so far.

  • @jonvianna8970
    @jonvianna8970 8 лет назад

    excellent video as Alabama, kyle! I've always had a fascination with this film and yet I feel like most of my teachers can't pinpoint what makes it great as well as you do.

  • @quiroz923
    @quiroz923 8 лет назад +4

    Id wondered about this a lot. Sure, we can say that the movie is self aware of its own creation, but it still presents itself as the truth the camera sees. How much truth can we really know?

  • @theGhoulman
    @theGhoulman 8 лет назад

    I'm a subscriber. You have really outdone yourself here. And considering you're insights in the past, I think you've hit real brilliance in this form. Well done! :)

  • @alligatorbreath
    @alligatorbreath 8 лет назад

    I love this!! All of your videos are perfect!!

  • @snorlax42
    @snorlax42 8 лет назад +1

    Everyone else is saying great things about this video and how you're representing the content, and I whole-heartedly agree. In fact I'm gonna go watch this movie tomorrow.
    But I'd like to add to the conversation that your beard looks great in this video!

  • @benjaminrubin2178
    @benjaminrubin2178 8 лет назад +2

    You might be interested in knowing that I shared this video with my Film professor, because we are going to be watching Man with a Movie Camera tomorrow. She liked it so much that she shared it with the entire class.

  • @kathrynmiller4240
    @kathrynmiller4240 8 лет назад +1

    Fascinating and beautifully put together as ever! In this and your Rocky/montage video I kept thinking about Understanding Comics by Scott McCloud and the things it says about visual language. On a related note I'd love to see you do something about animation some time. which in many ways takes these facts of movie making to an extreme, i.e. an artform (like all artforms?) that can only tell us the truth by lying.

  • @nudge2626
    @nudge2626 6 лет назад

    Fantastic breakdown. One of my favourite films

  • @Forevertowander
    @Forevertowander 8 лет назад

    Amazing video! Great job Kyle

  • @JBailey889
    @JBailey889 8 лет назад

    Wonderful as always, the effort, planning and time and attention you so clearly put into your videos make them stand out and i'm always overjoyed when I see you have uploaded something new.
    Also, I am impressed that although you had used Man With A Movie Camera in your Inception video you still had lots to say. Same film but new analysis and examination. Truly impressed. Unrelated, but I would be fascinated to hear your views on Powell And Pressburger? I think you are the right online 'critic' to examine them. Do you like the phrase 'critic', how would you describe yourself?
    From a fellow cinephile in Scotland

  • @Trystaticus
    @Trystaticus 4 года назад

    I agree with you that Vertov knew exactly what he was doing with MwaMC. The impression I get is that he fully knew that the camera, as useful a tool it is in the delivery of truth, lies. In the editing room scenes, he signposts it quite clearly: even the act of selecting which shot to use is an act of deception, however small. Susan Sontag writes about this in On Photography, but Vertov outlines that idea with this film in a way that crystallizes his generation's hopes for what the camera might do for society, as well is its limits.
    Love watching your videos. Best wishes.

  • @YzzaSedrati
    @YzzaSedrati Год назад

    amazing! thank you for the ending hehe

  • @trapease
    @trapease 8 лет назад

    thank you kindly for this introduction to the work

  • @BackAlleyTANGO
    @BackAlleyTANGO 8 лет назад

    Excellent, as always.

  • @meshkatabedi4681
    @meshkatabedi4681 3 года назад

    thank you so much! that was really helpful for me

  • @SuperDarthKelly
    @SuperDarthKelly 8 лет назад

    Fantastic video!

  • @jonvianna8970
    @jonvianna8970 8 лет назад

    Have you ever considered collaborating with other similar channels like the nerdwriter and every frame a painting? I find them very in tune with your own work and your channel deserves a much wider audience

  • @ScottJohnHarrison
    @ScottJohnHarrison 8 лет назад

    A small point on the "using film to disorientate" there is something which was pointed out a couple of weeks ago on a horror game podcast - The idea of the film grain and other distortions effects in horror games. The question is would the White noise Static still work in horror in twenty years time.
    I think I am still knowledgable enough about films existence since I used a still camera film...but with future generations would this be something they even think or know about. the "someone 3D Printed the save icon" of the future.
    I am sure there will be people movie/film fans who will know the history and why these effects are used...but it is something which will not be known by the majority sometime.

  • @RothurThePaladin
    @RothurThePaladin 8 лет назад +5

    Vary insightful video as always.
    Keep up the awesome work.

  • @BullCraftMaxx
    @BullCraftMaxx 7 лет назад

    Using this to study for my documentary film test thanks! Are there any other videos you have about documentary film?

  • @ThePa1riot
    @ThePa1riot 8 лет назад +2

    That beginning and ending was meta.

    • @CasaiAgicap
      @CasaiAgicap 8 лет назад +2

      Well.. Yeah? I think that was the point.

    • @ThePa1riot
      @ThePa1riot 8 лет назад +1

      CasaiAgicap Indeed it was. Forgive me for pointing out the obvious.

  • @JadeCryptOfWonders
    @JadeCryptOfWonders 8 лет назад +2

    "I always tell the truth, even when I lie!" - Tony Montana, Scarface.

    • @dm3588
      @dm3588 8 лет назад +2

      +Jacob Martin "What I want to know is which stories were true and which ones weren't." "My dear doctor...they were all true." "Even the lies?" "Especially the lies." -Bashir and Garak, Deep Space Nine

  • @coolbabbit639
    @coolbabbit639 8 лет назад

    Love this

  • @joshstillcool
    @joshstillcool 7 лет назад

    Just saw this after watching your Koyaanisqatsi review. Excellent analysis. Just wondering, is there a reason you didn't mention Godard's "Every frame of cinema is truth. Every cut a lie?" Seemed like a prime opportunity for it but never came.

  • @JimFaindel
    @JimFaindel 8 лет назад +1

    Lately you have started to produce your very worst movie reviews and at the same time your very best original content. Cheers. Please give us more of this which we never asked but clearly needed.

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +8

      +Jaime Delfín ...thaaaaaank you?

    • @JimFaindel
      @JimFaindel 8 лет назад +4

      +KyleKallgrenBHH Haha, sorry if that sounded harsh, I am just pointing out your shift in style from deconstructing a movie scene by scene to extrapolating the context and intention behind the creation as a whole. While seemingly less focused on the work itself as just a product when compared to your earlier videos, these ones allow us to experience the films through the eyes of the critic, yourself, making the whole affair much more personal. In the end you told almost nothing about the story within Man with a camera but a great deal about it's story, your interpretation and connection with it and it's author. Because of this I am far more inclined to watch such a movie by myself, like I've been with most of those you've reviewed since you started to do your videos in this style, all the way back in the "This is not a movie" episode.

    • @Necron1999
      @Necron1999 8 лет назад

      +KyleKallgrenBHH Don't listen to him Kyle, I always find your work profound and highly entertaining, regardless of the content. You've probably taught me more about film-making and the art of creation than any college course. Keep up the excellent work!

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +2

      +Jaime Delfín Ah, I gotcha. Thanks much!

    • @Isthecakereallyalie
      @Isthecakereallyalie 8 лет назад +2

      +KyleKallgrenBHH For me, I love both styles! Shakespeare month is really the big appeal of your channel. You made me fall in love with the spoony bard all over again. This reviews, though, are always appealing and interesting!
      Actually, mulling it over, I actually really like your content when it's analyzing how things differ from an original text. Alice and the aforementioned Shakespeare month videos. Maybe it's just because I love Shakespeare, though. :P

  • @TheMorlun
    @TheMorlun 8 лет назад +17

    OK. Kyle. This isn't how you write 'The unplayed film' in russian. The correct answer is a 'Неигровой фильм' or 'Неигровое кино'.
    Otherwise, great look on russian cinema. Didn't know about this movie. And wanted to look at something non-standart lately. Thanks.

    • @vonPeterhof
      @vonPeterhof 8 лет назад +6

      +TheMorlun You're right that "не" shouldn't have been written separately from the adjective, but the rest of the phrase is actually faithful to the terminology of the time. In the early Soviet days the press popularized the feminine фильма instead of the masculine фильм, presumably because the equivalent native Russian terms (картина, лента, пленка) are all feminine. Eventually the older masculine form won out, but the feminine one is preserved in many writings on early Soviet cinema.

    • @vonPeterhof
      @vonPeterhof 8 лет назад

      +vonPeterhof inb4 someone points out that картина and, arguably, лента aren't actually native Russian words

  • @MonsterMisunderstood
    @MonsterMisunderstood 8 лет назад

    I'd always wondered when you'd get around to this one.

  • @07011111111
    @07011111111 8 лет назад

    Bravo

  • @xentoip
    @xentoip 8 лет назад

    The ending makes think of how novelist Charles Stross often brags of proudly owning a t-shirt emblazoned with "I tell lies for money."

  • @ConvincingPeople
    @ConvincingPeople 8 лет назад +5

    The Surrealist mistrust of the notion of art as objective representation goes deeper than Magritte, great as the example he provides is, and runs parallel to Vertov's philosophy while being contrary on its face.
    Most of the Surrealists were Marxists, but of a heterodox stripe, and considered the figurative representation of the unreal a way of unmasking the painter while encouraging subversive thought by showing that what an artist depicts is not objective truth or beauty, but a personal vision, defined by how they see the world and what associations they have based on subconscious and unconscious drives. By exposing base assumptions through rendering commonplaces and puns as literal objects, the audience is forced to think about why they might associate certain things, and reassess what art and society tell them to believe. Following on Dada, it is art undercutting itself, art as propaganda against propaganda.
    Vertov uses many of the same juxtapositions, and undercuts himself at various turns, demanding that the audience question the validity of narratives within art while also putting forward, on the surface, a very particular narrative about what cinematic truth is... which winds up undercutting itself for the same reasons. "Trust me: No artist can be trusted, including me. Only the camera can be trusted, but there is always someone holding the camera." Which, while certainly a sentiment a lot of post-Marxist/Leninist socialist and radical philosophers would embrace-Derrida would make a career out of trolling people with this fact-is very contrary to the authoritarian aspect that ultimately dominated and consumed Russian Communism. Even before Stalin's purges made saying anything outright dangerous, Vertov was playing to several different audiences depending on how deep they were willing to dig.
    Or at least that's how I see it.

  • @chantelle9156
    @chantelle9156 8 лет назад

    I am literally doing a presentation on this film in class tomorrow.

  • @gregorsamsa9264
    @gregorsamsa9264 8 лет назад +8

    Please do Eisenstein next

  • @vitalyh7012
    @vitalyh7012 8 лет назад +4

    Хотел придраться к переводу, но вроде всё более-менее в порядке. Спасибо, Кайл.

  • @Redem10
    @Redem10 8 лет назад +3

    "The unplayed film" - I know it is hard to have documentary get an audience, but damn this is blunt
    Amusingly this remind me of how porn often masquerade as documentary in previous decades

    • @besconst
      @besconst 8 лет назад +3

      +Redem10 more acurate translation would be "non-fiction film"

    • @KattungeMedMotorsag
      @KattungeMedMotorsag 8 лет назад +3

      +Redem10 It could also mean 'unplayed' as in 'unacted'.

    • @willdrug
      @willdrug 8 лет назад

      +Redem10 There is no such term and the phrase presented in this video is not even grammatically correct, btw

  • @ericherstead9494
    @ericherstead9494 8 лет назад

    hey Kyle we talked a few years ago at conbravo. I wanted to ask you whats going on with chez apocalypse

  • @galenfirestone
    @galenfirestone 8 лет назад

    Weird question: why edit to 23.976 fps instead of 29.97?
    My Post Production Audio instructor could go on for HOURS about time base reference and framerates, but other than NTFS (60Hz TBR) vs. PAL / SECAM (50Hz TBR), I never really got why editors picked one framerate over other.

  • @carlk1852
    @carlk1852 8 лет назад

    I just love when I actual come to a video, and there is the rare rare rare occurrence, no dislikes,
    Kyle, I don't know what the future holds for you but I hope I always can come here and find something that expands my understanding, of well, everything...

  • @Nick0Kyuubi0Narion
    @Nick0Kyuubi0Narion 8 лет назад

    That was neat! Poetry on poetry. Excellent work as usual.
    If I need to point out the weakest aspect, it's that your narration needs a bit of work. Just the speed, enunciation, and tone need to tightened up. I say that from a place of much love and respect. This was a great essay, but I hear that praise only exasperates some video makers.

  • @brain_apostrophe_t
    @brain_apostrophe_t 8 лет назад

    Do The Beginners Guide. It'd make a great episode!!

  • @BruceWayne-gv9zs
    @BruceWayne-gv9zs 8 лет назад

    You're pretty good at these video essays though you have lots of competition

    • @kevonmartini10
      @kevonmartini10 8 лет назад

      +Bruce Wayne Any recommendations on who you'd consider to be Kyle's competition on youtube?

    • @grahamkristensen9301
      @grahamkristensen9301 8 лет назад

      +Quasimodigliani Check out Every Frame A Painting. It breaks down movies on a more molecular level, and focuses especially on editing techniques and mis en scene.

    • @grahamkristensen9301
      @grahamkristensen9301 8 лет назад

      +Bruce Wayne Also, I'd be careful with checking out Anita Sarkeesian's work. She tends to attract all the wrong kinds of attention.

    • @grahamkristensen9301
      @grahamkristensen9301 8 лет назад

      ***** Personally I don't think anyone who partook in that little cyber war came out looking good, but that's a can of worms I plan on keeping sealed.

    • @kevonmartini10
      @kevonmartini10 8 лет назад

      +WironPL I appreciate the link

  • @sweetasbloodredjam
    @sweetasbloodredjam 8 лет назад +1

    I had a wierd deja vu feeling throughout this episode and I'm not sure if this is because it's an older episode, either recut or partly forgotten or because I'm pretty sure Kyle mentioned this filmmaker and concept in his episode about Inception. Maybe I'm just mixing things up.

    • @snowcherryleopard
      @snowcherryleopard 8 лет назад

      He did

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +4

      +Apollo Justice I did. A patron requested that I go deeper into the film and since I love this movie and had a lot more to say about it, I decided to give it a go.

  • @quinnnewman9538
    @quinnnewman9538 8 лет назад

    i like kyle's new crazy russian beard thing he has going on, looks good.

    • @quinnnewman9538
      @quinnnewman9538 8 лет назад

      +Quinn Newman also Kyle can you not source things from Buzz-feed. They are junk passing off as news and pander heavily towards millennials.

  • @dougputhoff
    @dougputhoff 8 лет назад +1

    Both Wikipedia and Roger Ebert say that parts of this movie were filmed in Moscow.

    • @ZekeAxel
      @ZekeAxel 8 лет назад

      I think Kyle mentioned this in his Inception vid.

  • @drakkenmensch
    @drakkenmensch 8 лет назад

    Fun fact: "Actualite" is still today a french word to mean "news"

  • @veronicadymond3617
    @veronicadymond3617 8 лет назад

    The only truth a hen about to generate eggs can tell you: "I am laying."
    If chickens could talk. Which they can't. But, uh, the joke, you see...

  • @BennyGaberMusic
    @BennyGaberMusic 8 лет назад

    yeaaaaa

  • @SweetCaptain77
    @SweetCaptain77 8 лет назад

    ........HOW ARE YOU NOT A TEACHER??!! You could teach college classes with some of this material!!

  • @koquarian
    @koquarian 8 лет назад

    I think, therefor I am Kino-eye.

  • @DerekPower
    @DerekPower 8 лет назад

    I am a camera.

  • @hemangchauhan2864
    @hemangchauhan2864 8 лет назад

    Are you interested in doing some video game analysis like you did with Fallout? Because I certainly think that the narrative part of videogames can be better analysed by someone who has a greater and deep understanding in the subject (and it shows in the Fallout video)
    While Role-Playing games(Western and Japanese alike) are the best picks for such analysis, a new breed of short, more focused, and 'cinematic' "Walking Simulators" have came up as a genre. You should give *The Stanley Parable*, *The Beginner's Guide*, *Gone Home*, *The Witness* a try.
    There is also a "no-goal" game called *"Her Story"*, which is literally going through a police terminal and watching interrogation clips. One of the best piece of story narration I've ever come across.
    Or you can screw all that and play *Undertale* for a jolly good time...

  • @DjynnFlyssa
    @DjynnFlyssa 8 лет назад +4

    Which score would you recommend for watching Man With A Movie Camera? There are like, dozens of different ones!

    • @ick13
      @ick13 6 лет назад

      Alloy Orchestra score, for sure!

  • @Mclenchie
    @Mclenchie Год назад

    His philosphy of art is the same as Orsen Welles in F is for fake

  • @waitwhhhaaaaat
    @waitwhhhaaaaat 8 лет назад

    there's also a little bit of moscow in this film

  • @BizarreWords
    @BizarreWords 8 лет назад

    10/10

  • @annalisapalmer6698
    @annalisapalmer6698 6 лет назад

    dude this is legit

  • @PepperJAQ
    @PepperJAQ 6 лет назад +1

    A thought came to me. Perhaps not original, perhaps something I've heard, maybe even from you at some point. I profess no ownership of this thought.
    The camera takes an image. Whether old fashion film or digital, every frame is a picture. But a picture alone lacks context. Even if the pictures are strung together to give motion, like with a horse or a boss brawl, without sound, without knowledge of the world around that image, without knowing the time before or after, it is an incomplete image.
    A horse running is a story by itself, but that is all it is. We don't know if this video of the gallop is for scientific purpose, perhaps artistic, or maybe just to win a bet, without information beyond the frame. You could put words on the screen, but that is augmenting the image.
    An image alone can be worth a thousand words, but the word and 'truth' is more then many volumes.
    There exists truth, but through art, we try to expound on it, to understand it. Much like the scientist, we only get so much of the picture from our work, and some or more is muddled through the filter of our bias. Much like the aperture behind the lens adjusting the light and timing of exposure, only so much of the image can even be recorded.
    Art is a lie, but in some ways, it can be an innocent lie, one that aims to tell at least some of the truth.
    ... or something like that XD
    Sorry, been binging your vids the last two days and... you got me to thinking. It's kinda interesting. We have our own identities, but in the media we consume, our voice is painted with the subtle shades born from the hues found from said experiences. Sometimes the effect is fleeting, and sometimes it can add a stroke to the canvas of our souls.
    ... okay now I"m just feeling pretentious. I'm sorry. Maybe this was cool and beautiful, or maybe this was all overwrought regurgitation, but I hope it at is at least an amusing thought.
    {edit} yes, I am aware that sound and image often go hand in hand, but worship of the camera or image alone lessens the impact and value of sound. Or at least seems to ignore it. The reverse can sometimes be as interesting or more... see your video on 'Blue'. *shrugs* maybe I'm over thinking it, but I realized after I clicked enter, someone might be like 'but sound is a part of movies' and etc etc
    GAH! forgot a phase that stuck in my head while writing this guff: A slice of truth. I use the term 'slice' like they do for gaming. ' a slice of game' is like a sort of thin portion that features enough elements to (hopefully) impart what the rest of the game will feel like overall. Of course a slice like that is sometimes not nearly enough or completely misrepresentation of the whole... I could go on with my ramble, but I think I've been to silly with my words at this point. forgive the mess ^_^;;;;

  • @irishman6414
    @irishman6414 8 лет назад

    That Magritte painting is actually my favorite painting ever produced by a human being, for precisely the reason this video explores. I've had so many conversations with artists about finding "the truth" in their work, but the reality is that there is no truth. It's all an illusion.

  • @Frahamen
    @Frahamen 8 лет назад +1

    Did you just say Buzz Feed is "radical"?

    • @yungboy4216
      @yungboy4216 8 лет назад +1

      +Frahamen no he said that Buzzfeed is calling those who take "unflattering" pics radical. Buzzfeed itself if just a view-whoring site

    • @ThePonderer
      @ThePonderer 8 лет назад

      I don't think he did.

    • @Frahamen
      @Frahamen 8 лет назад

      MrAwesome172
      Ok, That makes a lot more sense.

    • @kevonmartini10
      @kevonmartini10 8 лет назад +1

      +Frahamen No, he's using Buzzfeed articles as examples of how it is perceived as radical in contemporary society to present one's appearance without manipulating one's image to appear more conventionally attractive.

  • @lnvenum
    @lnvenum 7 лет назад

    1 fucking dislike?

  • @ZekeAxel
    @ZekeAxel 8 лет назад

    1:05 - "Не игровая фильма". Wrong on so many levels. "Неигровой фильм" is what you meant.
    Separating the "не" part officially made not a "unplayed film", but a "not the played film".
    "Фильма" means "of the film" rather than just film. Did you pluck this from a sentence?
    Also, I'd use "unacted" instead of "unplayed"

    • @dosnostalgic
      @dosnostalgic 8 лет назад +1

      That's what it was called in the 20s. Check out "Сергей Эйзенштейн и неигровая фильма." from 1927 for example.

    • @ZekeAxel
      @ZekeAxel 8 лет назад

      DOS Nostalgia It's still a term today, so maybe that's an older way of saying it?

    • @dosnostalgic
      @dosnostalgic 8 лет назад +1

      It's absolutely an older way of saying it. And it is the way Vertov would have said it.

  • @Stret173
    @Stret173 2 года назад

    дзига жару даёт!

  • @drewc9947
    @drewc9947 5 лет назад +5

    It’s sort of dishonest to claim only the dirty dastardly communists were aware of the ideological ramifications of film
    There’s a film called “A Cajun Story,” filmed by an ethnologist, under the supervisions of company spies on set to ensure he didn’t subvert the purpose of the film. The film specifically sets out to manipulate the Louisiana French population to accept oilfield exploration, which they knew would despoil delicate wetlands we used for fishing both for subsistence as well as for trade. The oil companies feared sabotage and resistance, otherwise, sense we didn’t fully identify as American. We hardly even fought in the civil war for the South.
    It’s well known in Hollywood that you cannot get the assistance of the US military for films that do not portray them well. full metal jacket had to use military equipment from the Philippines that originated in the State for this reason.
    Even the decision not to produce a work of artistic merit because it’s not commercially viable is manipulative and censorious.
    Even the artists who craft a sappy melodrama are engaging in manipulation. All artists seek to manipulate.
    The question isn’t whether something is manipulative, but rather the honesty of manipulators and their intent, and the consent of the audience to be manipulated
    The claim that that the Soviets weren’t popularly democratic, especially up until the 50s, that the Bolsheviks in particular beguiled or bullied their way into power, is the result of manipulation using “alternative facts.” There’s plenty if authoritative and scholarly information that attests to this that was either buried or distorted during the cold war, under the false claim of a free and objective press, or afterwards ignored because why should major media outlets bother to correct the record on the history 20th century socialism? It’s not in their interests.

    • @militarygraphicdesign5245
      @militarygraphicdesign5245 4 года назад

      I would agree with you on the US military not not giving Hollywood assistance if you weren't full of shit and knew what you were talking about. Full Metal Jacket wasn't filmed in the Philippines and Kubrick didn't acquire any military equipment from the "state'. The film was entirely shot in England and Kubrick acquired all of the military equipment from a weapons dealer located in the UK. The US Military and the Pentagon actually have supported a good deal of films since the 1920 Academy Award Winning film, Wings. Other films the US Military have backed include Black Hawk Down, Battleship, Iron Man, Terminator and many more. Actually between 1911 and 2017 more than 800 feature films have received backing and support from the Pentagon and US Military. To further my argument, more than 900 television shows have received that same support since....wait for it....2005!
      Some of notable films that were denied assistance include Independence Day and Platoon. The film you are referencing in your false claim was Apocalypse Now. Francis Ford Coppola started filming in 1976 and didn't finish until 78. He received full backing and support from the Philippine Government for the film. He never approached the US Military for their support citing concerns it was too soon after the end of the Vietnam War.

  • @piersquareddotnet
    @piersquareddotnet 6 лет назад

    There is no "the" before Ukraine

  • @maugos
    @maugos 8 лет назад

    Hmm, as important as this Vertof guy sounds the way you describe him he sounds incredibly full of himself. It feels as if he couldn't fathom nor accept the idea that people can use the same medium for different reasons and they all be legitimate. Either way, someone showing off the "special features" of film making that early in film's history is still pretty neat.

    • @KyleKallgrenBHH
      @KyleKallgrenBHH  8 лет назад +9

      +maugos It was the early 20th century. Boldly worded manifestos about how art should and shouldn't be were the norm.

    • @maugos
      @maugos 8 лет назад

      KyleKallgrenBHH That is a good point. It was a different time and this was fairly new technology.

    • @Dragonatrix
      @Dragonatrix 8 лет назад +1

      +KyleKallgrenBHH On the other hand, we're not even a hundred years later and it still feels like they're the norm in myriad ways. Maybe just maybe not quite so eloquently put at times.

  • @willdrug
    @willdrug 8 лет назад

    There was no such term in the Soviet Union, that's not Russian nor Ukranian. "Film" is male in Russian, "Filma" would be female. And even with that in mind I have no idea where did you get this term

    • @willdrug
      @willdrug 8 лет назад

      +Don Dragon Can't find anything for "кинок" either... Can you supply sources? I think I can help with translations here

    • @pneppnep
      @pneppnep 8 лет назад

      +Don Dragon "Кино Око"?

    • @willdrug
      @willdrug 8 лет назад

      ***** Dzigi Vertov, "Kino Glaz" - "Cinema Eye". Is this it? "Oko" is an old word for "eye". Everything else on "kino oko" returns either modern stuff or not even movie related.

    • @sisconhimejoshi
      @sisconhimejoshi 5 лет назад

      Female forms like ‘фильма’ actually were a thing in 1920s, as well as mushing the words together. Also contemporary writings from this era prove it.

  • @asyayasna6106
    @asyayasna6106 6 лет назад

    русский не пляшет у парня. кинок"

    • @sisconhimejoshi
      @sisconhimejoshi 5 лет назад

      Asya Yasna неужели язык изменился за 100 лет? No way!

  • @shockout2020
    @shockout2020 8 лет назад

    Noice

  • @SugarTiger54
    @SugarTiger54 8 лет назад

    Ok, I don't know which sourse you have used for a quote but I don't think it's real, I read the we manifesto, and this 'translation' is a bit perverting the message of it. And, Kyle, you Russian :( it hurts, really

    • @nadin1898
      @nadin1898 8 лет назад

      Really? The Russian in the subs is very good, they probably were made by a native speaker, though maybe not by a professional translator.

  • @user-ke5os9cc6r
    @user-ke5os9cc6r 6 лет назад

    You're glorifying him. "Those he didn't invent..." this begs the question... he didn't invent any, just used them in his film. Also the movie is decidedly not a city symphony as those are particularly about one city and this one is about several (shots from several cities are in the movie).
    The editor famous? Except... that's the point of the entire montage-movement. Also, two years beforehand Esfir Shub created an entire movie from achived material which celebrated the ten years anniversary of the revolution. Even Buster Keaton celebrated the production of movies in a movie before The Man With A Movie Camera in his The Cameraman.
    The Soviets might have had hopes for cinema as a propaganda tool, but neither Vertov nor any of the other Avant Gardists ever recieved much public praise or offical acknowledgement unless they happened to strike chords with international art-crowds (which happened to Pudovkin, Eisenstein and to an extent Vertov). Even then people had to be forced into cinema's to watch Battleship Potemkin (suggested by Denise Youngblood whom you should read).
    You might be getting your appraisal of communist idealization of cinema as the most important propaganda tool from an apocryphal Lenin qoute. It certainly does not square with the meagre funds made available to the official school or any of the different workshops in Russia and the Ukraine (Kuleshov worked with little or no raw film for years in his workshop).
    Your formal analysis is good, but man have you packed a bunch of half-truths and amalgamated hear-say into this video.