They Were Groomed by a Monster!
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- They Were Groomed by a Monster! #madelinesoto #stephansterns #Jennifersoto #maddiesoto #jennsoto
Jennifer Soto and Madeline Soto were both groomed by a monster. Stephan Sterns used all the techniques that predators use to insinuate himself as a trusted member of the family.
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Monsters don’t live under beds. They’re welcomed in the front door. Over 70% of victims know the perp. My stepdad said I’d be taken away from my 3 younger siblings (which were his kids) if I said a word. I finally spoke when I caught him watching my 4 year younger sister. I could fight him off but I didn’t think she could. That’s what made me finally tell on the hell he put me through. I was believed and it got us all safe and away from him
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I'm sorry about what you suffered, but I'm ecstatic you were believed when you told and you and your little sister got away safely. Still, your life would have been damaged forever. I hope you have support 🙏 ❤️
@@brigittebowman9113 thank you. Too often victims are not believed which leave the perpetrators to make more victims. It definitely changes who we should have been and the effects can remain for life.
@@thepampepper7660 💜
The problem is that people can’t bear to think that it’s possible to unknowingly choose and welcome your child’s abuser into your own home and be duped to this extent. It’s less scary to believe she is evil because then “this could never happen to me”
Exactly. People don't want to believe we are so easily deceived and manipulated and HAVE No CLUE what they are up to.
Our government does the same thing. We live in a culture of narcissistic gas lighting
This is an outstanding public service announcement for an epidemic predatory victimization of children and single mothers.
You really believe Jenn is innocent?
Yes great video! So glad someone spoke on this. 🙌🏻👌🏻👍🏻💯🫶🏻
@@Decembertoremember386 YEs, just like the detectives
@@GrayHughesInvestigates
She is the worse mother and people will remember just like Case Antony was found not guilty it doesn’t make her innocent! People will remember that!
@ciamommy6495 I agree with you. I think if she was receiving SSDI, she'd also get a check for Maddie, and Maddie may have gotten SSI for her disability along with child support. I think that's all Maddie was to Jen. And when she turned 18. Then yeah, no checks, she'd kick her out.
I think Jen was a terrible mom.
I do think as a child she was sensually abused as well. No excuse to not protect your daughter.
This is the only show standing up for the mother. It breaks my heart. You don't have to be innocent of every imaginable wrong to not deserve your child to be killed by a monster.
If she really did do something to either cause or be complicit in Maddie's death, she should be brought to justice! 💯
But if her only crimes were not knowing stephan was a monster, I think we should have compassion on this mother as a human being. 😔
People just want to hate. They really do. This woman was clueless and her little girl is gone forever! Her life has turned into entertainment for those on the sidelines. People love to kick her while she is down. Shame we do that to each other…but we do…makes us feel BIG!
@@pattysmith7615clueless? She specifically states that her biggest fear was Stephan and Maddie running off together after Maddie was of age.
To every single one of you that consistently defended Jen, I truly hope your eyes have been opened. There is absolutely no way Jen did not know. To say Jen would have to be blind to not have seen would be the understatement of the year. Furthermore, Jen states she’s not even sure she wants to press charges against this monster.
@@mirzamay and there is nothing that detectives found as to charge her with so we shouldn’t blame her either
@@jenreilly8058oh I believe they have lots but are reserving it for more info from the investigation which is ongoing they want felonies not child neglect charges so are waiting.
I think you are right on the Mark with him slowly Grooming her! Jen was the perfect target ! She liked having someone deal with Maddie while she was struggling with her Mental Health! She is extremely nieve and disconnected from her maternal side!
I agree 💯
I agree. Jenn Soto was groomed and is a victim. Is she perfect. no. No parent is. She doesnt deserve the witch hunt. Shes gonna pay for any mistake she made for the rest of her life.Maddie payed the utimate price. Stephan is the monster. Everyone interviewed said how munipulative he is.
@@softtoed Exactly. All these Jen haters don’t want to see/consider his past sexual deviant behavior. He was a predator LONG before he met Jen. Everyone interviewed or who came forward in interviews described some sort of deviant sexual behavior. But, to actually murder someone and a child no less is on a whole new level.
Thank you Gray! Your speaking out about this very hard subject, will help bring awareness and hopefully save a kid and a mother from the monsters out there!
Amen 🙏
Gray, I agree with you on this. Jennifer was targeted by that monster!
Even better she had some mental problems that required meds!!! (I am talking about Jen)
She was also selfish AF. Single mom, I would give my teen the room with a door, and I would go one better, I would put a lock on it, o would take the make shift living room bed
@@Wattsupwithhybristophiliashe may have done that, but every family situation is different and Maddie didn't sleep in her own bed anyways....she was always in someone else's bed. Not defending Jen on this one bc it seems she was shallow.. for someone that didn't bring in hardly any income to spend it on THC & gastric bypass, not to mention a new $35k car but had to rent out rooms in the family home to make ends meet
@@43ShaDeywe don't know she didn't want her own room. We were only told that by shady crazy people. The same ones that said Maddie wanted ss to move back in, which I don't believe
@@tracycottrell5146 but Maddie and SS was constantly texting each other like besties... They have her phone to prove that... Maddie was also the one that asked to sleep with SS she called it "sleepovers" so I wouldn't be surprised if she did want him to move bk in....well at least she was groomed to believe she wanted him to. I think Maddie was also more psychologically challenged than ppl want to believe... which made her that much more receptive to grooming.
Stephans parents now believe Stephan killed Maddie and Jenn was not involved. They're no longer in complete denial.
Yeah, I saw that. But they are in denial about knowing
@@charmcshane3517 just partial denial over the fault of the abuse. They still think it was up to Jen to stop the abuse, to have seen it. They obviously haven't listened to any professional about pedophiles or grooming techniques. Seems like therapy would be the first thing I would do if I had a predator as a son. Or one that was arrested for the crimes Stephan was. Oh well, they'll be miserable the rest of their lives I'm betting.
Sadly we live in a world where children are SA victims and even the most vigilant of parents can be fooled. Predators are always "looking for" their next victim. They're masters at reading people and who's going to be easy to manipulate. Thanks Gray !
During that pushing the boundaries, he probably acted like a saint so Jennifer could see he was a good guy, and Madeline would just think he was the greatest guy.
This is truly an excellent video.
It contains all ingredients so we can reasonably understand what happened in that home. And there is only one monster in this story. Stephan Sterns.
Thank God you are speaking the truth. I agree with you 100%
Guys just to be clear, Chris Stearns no longer believes Jen was involved. He knows now exactly it was his son and his son only.
@@Wattsupwithhybristophilia He still came off with that ridiculous dual “criminal enterprise” comment. Something isn’t right about that guy…and the mother too! Those two are a match made in heaven 🥜
Just to be clear they are still denying they know of Stern's behavior.
I might be in the minority but I’ve always thought she was shocked that he was abusing Maddie. She got complacent over time thinking Stephan was a “father” figure and she had a lot of mental issues she was trying to deal with.
I’m with you. Have been for a long time. It’s obvious in my opinion.
People can’t back down from the pre-made opinions they were spoon fed on the net.
@@just--factsShe thought he was innocent early on. She couldn’t process what was happening.
@@just--facts I thought she told his parents that he would need a lawyer? Jenn did not go out and hire an attorney for him. Her ex-husband Steven was also involved in the conversation about SS needing a lawyer, according to his police interview. The people who were close to the family believed SS was innocent in those early hours/days of this tragedy, not just Jenn. It was a lot to process for everyone.
@@just--factsWatch that segment again. She is trying to have police focus on finding Maddie. She did not say she was okay with sex stuff….she says (I’m paraphrasing) okay, that happened - I will deal with it later - can we focus on finding Maddie who is still out there?
Everyone on here commenting about Jenn's responsibility have Absolutely NO knowledge of Psychological issues or response to trauma and cognitive dissonance.
Thank you so much for telling this story like someone with some sense! Other creators just mouth, mouth, mouth!!! Im so glad I found this place!
Me too. I’ve literally unsubscribed and cancelled memberships over this case unfortunately
Finally! You are the first Content Creator I’ve agreed with. So many others dismissing these factors and finding Jenn as guilty as Stephan, a master manipulator. He played good cop to Mom’s bad cop, let Maddie stay up late for gaming, and called himself StepDad for more than half of Maddie’s life. Jenn is “little yellow school bus” special, not long on self-esteem, and being a single parent is hard under the best circumstances. Been there! Throw in adolescence and working; somebody offering help is welcomed when you’re clueless to their alternate personalities. A simpleton, too many meds all around, shock, denial, guilt… Jenn didn’t have anything to do with Maddie’s death. I wasn’t happy she kept saying “the body” over and over again in the 3/1 police interview, which was disturbing, but I’m assuming there’s psychological distancing there as a survival tactic?
As someone who lives with mental health struggles in identical ways, I understand what Jenn was living. I also do not at all believe she knew anything at all. I can feel it. She is in horrific pain, mourning and grieving beyond comprehension. I hope she has a very strong support system to help her through this.
Agree. ❤
Yes ...I can also see it and feel it. To me, it's obvious. Jenn trusted him 😔
Wow ,Grey, you called it! You said that Jennifer Soto would not be charged, and that Jennifer was also being groomed. Unfortunately, the only thing Jennifer is guilty of is poor choices, child neglect, being selfish, and for having mental issues. I am still mad at Jennifer, but detectives have already checked Jens phone, and can't charge her because they don't have anything on her.
Thank you @Gray for having integrity and critical thinking re: the mother.
Thank you Gray. Maybe one day all these negative people toward Jenn will understand but I doubt it. They feel the need to blame her because they do not think they could have missed the signs. Pray they never find themselves in Jenn's shoes. Like I said before, Jenn will forever in her own prison of guilt, because she didn't know. Imo
@@lindahowell1787 I agree.
Yes, this is what they do- they find people who are vulnerable, trusting, naive, mental issues etc… and the fact the mom & daughter were both on meds that make them sleep like a rock…. Not good. Playground for a predator. 😢
I'm sorry but if my daughter asked for a sleep over with my boyfriend or any grown man that would be a definite NO period!
Gray, I'm so glad you're not a mindless headhunter. There's a lot of them out there.
So many excuses it’s a huge injustice to a child is that mother morally bankrupt
The more I hear Stephon’s dad in the interview I swear every time I despise him just a little bit more. I still think he’s probably the most normal out of the three of them, trying to pin it on Jen, and some of his words really irritate the crap out of me.there were definite signs of his behavior before this happened. I understand wanting to be there for your child, but I can’t fathom defending someone that committed such atrocities and being aware of them.
Yes, and that cartoonish wife of his continues with the blame and cuddles she just continues to excuse him. She justifies his bad behavior and is blamed on the accident. She’s got to blame it on somebody or something.
Thanks Grey, your analysis of what happened to Madeline and Jennifers illness really makes sense. Its so nice to hear someone talking about this case without the sensationalism.
Predators find negligent parents
Groomed for years
Her Woody Allen comment means she suspected it. Her "you cant do that to me" comment instead of it being about maddies safety......tell me she was jealous of her own daughter
I don't trust Jen at all.
And yesterday Debbie and Chris Sterns gave an interview stating they now believe Stephan is the only Perpetrator in this case.
right, I've been saying this the entire time. It's obvious
Jennifer was not groomed. Neither was she a victim. She was a willing participant.
you are just wrong. Deal with it.
@@GrayHughesInvestigateswow😮 10:36 10:37
Thank you. This is what makes sense to me. I'm a bit frustrated with all the people losing sight of mothers as victims.
Thanks Gray for showing this !!! ❤
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What gets me is the woody Allen comment. Why would she say that if nothing was suspected?
paranoid probably after watching womething on that. Probably something a lot of women thought about that have a boyfriend and a younger child or step dad.
Serpent Sterns turned her against her own intuition.
@@Nous520Spot on. My guess is that during the relationship Jenn probably told herself, “What is wrong with me for thinking this?” Remember, she is openly sharing this when Maddie was believed to be missing because she is processing. If there was real malice, she would not openly share this past thought.
@@janinematis9239 I thought that it was a huge red flag when I first heard her say that but then I considered her mental disorders and medications. Who knows how they alter her mind and process of thinking. I then realized she wasn’t stable mentally.
I never thought she knew.
Jennifer Sotos negligence got her daughter killed
You cannot have your eye on your child 24/7/365. We sleep, take showers, go shopping, go out with friends, sit an a different room watching TV etc. When you are in your own home with people you trust, who goes thinking I need to think about my kid being murdered here???? I must keep her beside me??? Who thinks that????? Tell me who?????!!!!!
It's absolutely disgusting to me how people have convinced themselves that Jenn knew/helped. Without one shred of evidence.
Jenn considered that monster, unfortunately, family. 7 years he helped her. Flat tires, late bills, grocery shopping, dr visits. Real life stuff they did together. She considered him someone to lean on.
The cops have absolutely no communication with Stephen and herself about Maddie being abused
Exactly
A single mum craves for a father for her child. She wanted to believe he was a father for Madeline. What a monster SS betray in such an awful way the trust of this mother
Bipolars are not stupid people, not all are manipulators, many are. I have experienced these types. Friends and family members. Sorry I am not sympathetic.
My son has bipolar. The difference is this: Jenn was obsessed with getting her meds right, which left little to no energy to raise her daughter. Either Jenn's mom or Maddie's bio dad should have kept pulse of the situation and stepped in to assist.
My son chose not to have kids-he did not want to pass his issues on genetically.
A huge problem is you are generalizing and don't have any evidence for Jenn being manipulative.
@@SEBE3835is there evidence that she's not?
@@almjuarez3
You should not reverse the burden of proof. That's a logical fallacy.
I see her behavior as manipulative and so do a lot of daughters who see Jenn's behavior and mannetisms in their own mentally ill mothers. Im not a lawyer so I don't give a shit about fallacy v@@SEBE3835
Thank you Gray for posting this.❤
It is refreshing to see someone showing empathy & understanding towards Jenn Soto as also a victim of this crime, instead of blaming and dumping on her. Ive seen a lot of comments where people are aggrandizing themselves over Jenn, to feel better about themselves. That's usually what victim blaming is about. Thanks for your coverage!
100%!!!
Exactly go watch all podcasts and all her mistakes …no mother lets there daughter to sleep with a grown man nope no way 😮then get him a lawyer when she shown a pic of him forcing oral sex on her with no emotion
@@just--factsThat is cleared up in one of the the 3/1 interviews. Believing police have the wrong guy is easier to believe than accepting the ugly truth. Jenn was eventually shown a lot more evidence and accepted the truth and her anger towards Stephan began to express itself. There are no released videos or audio recordings of how Jenn took the news that Maddie was found dead.
@@just--facts I am not embellishing. I respect your right to believe what you state you believe. I believe this tragedy is complex and has many layers. In my opinion Jenn was a very troubled woman who made many mistakes but I do believe police when they reported that after putting in thousands of man hours and reviewing evidence the public has not seen, they determined Jenn had no involvement in SA or Maddie’s death. Wherever she is, she must be grieving. Yes, I have compassion for the part of her that is a grieving Mother. I know I am sharing a minority opinion.
Imagine being told your daughter was being Molested for years 😢Imagine seeing pictures of your daughter with a dxxk in her mouth 😢 It's Fine it has nothing to do with this Case. She has to think about pressing Charges 😡
She didn't care for Maddie. She said Maddie was Abnormal 🤬
Perfectly said!
Mattie was definitely groomed. Jenn let that happen. Her mother. Jenn may have been groomed some. But she was the mother. She 'let' her young daughter sleep with her ex. That's child abuse! That's neglect. Nothing changes that. Period!!
Grooming is a con. Anyone can get conned.
@@MM-ik7cs The difference lies in the fact that one is the adult (jenn) and one 'was' the child.
@@lorabell3553 Adults are conned all the time. Most con jobs are done on adults.
@@MM-ik7cs No one conned mom into letting her daughter sleep with her bum ex. She shld b in prison for such abuse and neglect. Good day. Done reading comments. Your missing the point.
Good food for thought. I might actually be looking at Jen differently now.
If I was to have a you tube channel… It would have content just like this. Tying true crime with the articles from GHI stream from yesterday. 🙌🏼 So happy GHI is doing this series! 😊
For so long I could not fathom a mother being that naive, but I think now it wasnt naivete. I bet she was abused as a child and was more immune to the red flags.
You have nailed so much of this.
Meds and Sleep are major themes in her life !! So unfortunate for Maddie 😭😭😭
And McDonald’s
Jenn Soto doesn’t have a criminal bone in her body. To the people, mostly women who are criticizing Jenn and calling her every name in the book, shame on you. Jenn was victimized before Maddie. Jenn was an easy target. Leave her alone.
👏🏻 💯 It’s appalling to see the hate toward Jenn, a grieving mother who had so many emotional burdens already.
@@mandystrong8196 Totally agree. I’m so tired of the torches and pitchforks directed at this emotionally fragile woman. People need to educate themselves on this particular type of mental illness and the effect the medication has on mood. She is not going to react the same way a person who is mentally “healthy.”
I think you have beautifully explained the complexity of this case in light of all of the trauma and its effects on those suffering with mental illness.
Predators are master manipulators , they are evil, he found 2 very easy victims
This is what content creators *should* be doing - detailing the symptoms of abuse/abusive behavior in light of the case. Listening to the other voices involved rather than gawking at the mom like she’s a circus animal
They both should be a pharmaceutical companies commercial. He done off a child and She lost a child. And they both LOOK AT ACT LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE a care in the world. TALK ABOUT MEDICATION WORKING
Some side effects of Jen's type of meds can possibly cause emotional blunting. Even ex husband saw emotional numbness.
YES! These meds will do this! You literally can't even cry on some of these meds
@@kanola13065 yeah it was a shame to me that her ex husband knew her better and cared for Maddie more than Maddie's bio dad. And Geodone.. I've known a couple of women on that, it's a serious mood stabilizer! And she was taking anxiety meds & probably copious amounts of THC too? Wow I'm surprised she remembered she had a daughter lol
Xanax? Have you ever taken them? 😂😂😂
@@DontTrackMe6_6_6 don't get me started talking about Xanax... Nevermind I can't remember anything anyway 🤣
Does grooming include demeaning your daughter and calling her abnormal even after knowing she has been sa for years 🤔?
smh
Missing 1 day of her maintenance medication would not make her feel different. That’s a flat out lie. With medications like Geodon, Zypreka, Zoloft and most antidepressants and antipsychotics they take several weeks to feel the effects, and it would take more than missing 1 day of medication to feel “off”.
She had to be up that morning anyway to go have blood work done and then she was off until Wednesday, so essentially she had SS “come help” so she could get an extra hour of sleep Monday morning? It doesn’t make sense. Maddie had been staying with grandma, but Jenn had her come home to spend time with her but she sent her to bed almost as soon as she got home and then had someone else take her to school the next morning, why? Why not just have her stay with grandma for 1 more night and just pick her up Monday after school?
If it doesn’t make sense it’s usually not true, and none of Jenn’s “story” makes sense.
In her mind it could have. I used to be on anxiety meds, if I was out of them I would start to panic, but if I had them with me I felt more secure. Your mind is a POWERFUL thing!
It can also not make sense when the person is enmeshed with and manipulated by the perpetrator. I can imagine he convinced her that she needed help and wouldn’t it be nice to see Maddie for her birthday.
@@tiffanyhodges2499fast acting anxiety medication like benzodiazepines (Xanax or klonopin, etc) can cause withdrawal symptoms as soon as a few hours after your last dose if your body is dependent, the medication Jenn was referring to, Geodon does not. I’ve been a nurse for 18 years, 10 years on an inpatient psychiatric unit. Can you imagine how terrible it would be if someone with schizophrenia or severe depression started feeling symptoms after being a few hours late for their medication?
Maddie had also been staying with grandma for the days leading up, why wasn’t Jenn getting “good sleep” as she puts it? Maddie hadn’t been home in a few days, and she allegedly only missed 1 day of medication.
It doesn’t make sense. Stop making excuses for her. You can feel off or depressed and still know it’s 100% inappropriate to send your child to sleep with a grown man. What’s the excuse for every other time she let them sleep together? She cared for no one but herself.
Exactly 💯 on every single point. It doesn't make sense at all
She threw the guy out and was no longer sleeping with him , I dont understand.
100% correct. Now keep going and do some research into how difficult bipolar is to manage and how high the suicide rate is... It will back you up on what you're saying about Jenn. Her only being able to handle her own mental condition one day at a time.
I hope Jenn can get good counicelling. I don,t know if I could handle what Jenn is going through.
You are the first person that has seen this for what it is. I’ve always believed Jen, she was groomed and manipulated by a master. I agree with so much you say
Same. He’s the only sane creator covering this case that I know of.
@@toribern816 I know, I’m stunned at some of the more reputable creators/ channels, they seem to be condoning, what feels like a visceral hatred of Jen, it’s a witch hunt, unsettling to say the least 🫶🏽🇬🇧🫶🏽
You know he made sure that Jen knew he was horrified if he heard something about abuse on TV ect...
She was so zoned out of it. He was probably doing right beside her. She aint ever forgot her medication
People need to understand when you take psych drugs! They literally make you void of feeling! I personally think thats partly while shes responding the way she is!
FINALLY A CHANNEL I AGREE WITH!
Yes! I don't believe she knew! She was too focused on herself and her struggles to be a present parent in everyway
What a refreshing comment! 😂😂 I swear some cases bring out the dip 💩s in droves and this is one of those case, sadly.
Welcome! You're needed, lol, bc we're being drowned out by dummies 😂😂🤦♀️😆
Idk what's happening to the common sense language, Gray Hughes is one of the only ones speaking it these days!
It's nice to see another perspective where things are completely thought out compassionately without rush to judgment and over shaming. Regardless of the Mom's knowledge or lack of, the red flags, Sterns knew to really play up that soft spoken I'm just a fun loving aloof dopey man-child till the end.. we only know what we do because of his sloppy cover up and that tire change.
Love your analysis understanding for Jen as well not just jumping on the attack bandwagon like other RUclips channels- excellent work
Im sorry she must have known something was wrong. Yes, they do threats because it happened to my son. Disgusting
Grooming brings shame on the victim because they agree to the activity. Victins believe they agree with what's going on... Madeline actually felt love for Stefan. She told NO ONE about the stuff she did with Stefan because she didn't want anyone to say its wrong.
Jen was a negligent mother because she didn't get what she needed growing up and Maddie's needs annoyed her. (in my opinion)
I’m not as forgiving as Gray is.of Jennifer. Mothers like her are incompetent. I understand she struggles with her mental issues and her meds supposedly “numb” her but she still seems way too detached from what she just found out happened to her daughter. I think there are too many excuses being made for her indifference and downright negligence. Yea she was being groomed but why is there no responsibility placed on her to protect her daughter? She’s getting too much of a pass on this.
100 percent I agree with you and of course your the only one youtuber I’m agreeing with on this one 😊🙏❤️🙏❤️
In addition to Jen lying about seeing Maddie on Monday morning, she also said, "WE took her to school " a couple of times when it was only Stephan who supposedly dropped her off near her school that morning.
To me, that's a huge red flag as she was attempting to cover up the fact that he was alone with Maddie when she was last seen .
I don't. I speak like that sometimes cause I consider myself and my husband the parents and as one.
@@tiffanyhodges2499right? I totally see it. Ppl don’t think in retrospect when they’re in a crisis. She was speaking FOR him bc she TRUSTED him.
she said we, meaning the family unit and every time changed it back to stephan took her to school as I explained. Try and pay attention. thanks
@@GrayHughesInvestigates You covered this in the video. Obviously people are not listening.
@@tiffanyhodges2499 Same here.
1:58 Jenn’s relating how Stephan got her to change her mind about “things”. This is what abusers do. They are very persuasive and manipulative.
Y’all can’t deny Stephen was her drug dealer too. Cause he was the one with access to the benzodiazepines. They were both on drugs. Pills. Pot. Alcohol. I’m sure that was their favorite thing to do together was get high and she is also going through a very real and physical withdrawal. Which can also affect her common sense and logic.
LOLOL
Thankyou for your calm and sane look at this case. So many others are rage baiting. My heart breaks for Madeleine’s family. If she were looking down from heaven, I’m sure the last thing she would want is to see how hateful everyone has become to her mother.
Also, sincere sympathy to you for the loss of your brother. ❤
If she were looking down from heaven I believe she would be devastated by her mother's blind support of her perpetrator!
@@roseytea5068 darling, she didn’t tell her mother the whole time it was happening. Don’t be such an ass
I get that some people might want to give Jenn Soto grace because she has after all lost her daughter but after finding out the things that she was letting go on in her home I feel like she needs to be held fully accountable for her actions. There's no reason at all that a grown man should have been allowed to be sleeping in the same bed with a young girl at all. I just can't wrap my mind around why a mother would allow that.
Amen!
Jen was groomed just as much as Maddie was.
Absolutely
Mommy didn't know if she wanted to press charges.
Mommy? Are you a child?? 😂
So that equals guilt? Charge her with a crime?
@@MM-ik7cswhy wouldn’t a mother want to press charges against a man who sexually abused her daughter for years, and killed her? I just can’t excuse Jenn. There was a gun in the room where she sent them to sleep (Jenn knew this) among other sexual things. Are you telling me Jenn never went up to room number 4? Jenn is very clever, not naive, just listen to how she talks.
@@toribern816 she was Maddie's Mommy.
@@MM-ik7cs did I say that? All I know is that anyone who did that to my kid is for sure being charged to the fullest extent of the law if I as the mother have any say in the matter. Seems pretty simple. But there are mothers out there who don't care. My mother was one of them. So I understand Jenn's type very well.
I think it leaves a bad taste in the mouth that Jenn’s innocence is based on her being gullible & ignorant to Stern’s grooming behavior & not being totally present because of her pill-popping lifestyle. All this doesn’t sit well with most people.
well, just realize you are wrong and move forward. that's all we can do.
Her innocence is based on the fact that there is absolutely no evidence that she knew. Not one shred. No one did, even with people closest to Maddie and the monster.
Right!? Who cares if she knew. This was neglect. She should get charged with that.
@@GrayHughesInvestigatesGray, you would make a good defense attorney.
@@just--facts first "her first instinct was to get SS a lawyer" is it incorrect. She never tried to get him a lawyer. She said "he's going to need a lawyer" while in shock.
Twisty twisty words.
I know she is wrong for not being better about protecting Maddie. But i do believe she was sucked into his world and didnt believe he would do anything to Maddie. I think it was niave and stupid but i dont believe she knew.
This started when Maddie was a young child. No way she would not have noticed nor should have noticed the physical effects and evidence. I don’t know how trustworthy Steven’s read is.
The parents are trying to push on others because they don't want to look at themselves
Yep you nailed it 100%
Excellent video. I also appreciate the balanced commentary on how Maddie’s mom’s limitations can be exacerbated by her mental struggles. You put it in a way that others might be able to grasp. Stephan is squarely to blame. Well done.
Jen is not a Victim.
She volunteered Maddie 😢
You're wrong.
How do you KNOW this?? Why does everyone think they know this family? Were you there?
It was obvious by mid June 2023. Shame people were too afraid to come forward and out the monster SS. Jenn had to know by then.
No she didnt
@toribern816 how do you know it's not true
"they were groomed"...who was using that brush and scissors
I Never Believe she was Involved. I always thought it was Stephan alone. Jennifer came off as Slow from the First Interview
Same.
Youre assuming that everything Jennifer says is true.
LOLOLOL
I suppose it makes it easier for some people to sleep at night thinking Jen had to know. The world is less scary for them that way. Because they could never be fooled if predators are obvious and mothers all read the label on their forehead.
SMH
That kind of ignorance is what makes victims.
Why was she so preoccupied with sa outside the home when it was happening under her nose.
They?? Were groomed?? No. After you reach a certain age you have to chalk it up to stupidity, depression, greed etc etc.
She knew.
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I agree with you
I can understand the meds and the sleep. If you miss doses, then blood levels drop and does affect your mind. 🤷♂️
Omg your still pushing Jens innocent SMH 1 victim in this case and that's Maddie
because it hasn't changed. Even detective found nothing. you get that right. Do you know more than them? yeah, didn't think so.
Detectives have ALL the information and evidence. We have a limited view. They have it all and are able to see if evidence corroborates what she says. We are not privy to those details. We are getting only maybe half of everything they have, probably less.
I think you have explained this very well.
Thank you for this! Your compassion for the victims and willingness to stand your ground to explain is so needed. I find empathy for others is negated too often.
Well said
Yes, I agree. I am so grateful for this channel at the moment. When I see the way Jenn is being treated by other creators and their followers, I lose faith in humanity.
I agree with you completely
I think his parents are slowly changing their tune about Jen.
Listening now. Thanks, Gray!!👼❤️👼
Hi Gray, it seems to me that Jennifer wanted everyone else to raise her child, always farming her out. She might have been better off living with her father 🤷🏼♀️. This woman should have never become a mother.
"Always" farming her out....smh
Her father did not want to be a father for many many years. Is an interview with him. He reached to her when she was 12 or smth like that. WTH is happening with you people? It was seen from the beginning that both the mother and the girl were victims of a VERY BIG PREDATOR!!! The only ones who should have known what he's like (and probably did) are his parents. And now we should feel sorry for these manipulatori parents considering the interviews that keep appearing with them. WTH! How! How did it end up in this situation?
Agree with this! After listening to her father,he doesn't sound like he was mentally capable either but sadly he was trying in the last year!
WOW! What a hateful thing to say about a woman whose child was murdered by someone who she trusted. Evil.
Considering her mental issues she , perhaps wasn’t capable of raising a child. She sent Maddie and Stephan to bed many times. This woman should at least be charged with neglect. She didn’t even bother coming to her own daughter’s birthday party. And, after seeing the evidence on his phone she tells him he needs a lawyer!
I have no sympathy for her.
You have no idea if the roommate is telling the truth. Times like this the pitchforks come out!
I do, because they said this at the beginning no later.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates I’ll rewatch it later. Thanks!
I AM OUTRAGED!
Making excuses for a pis poor mother just looking for a man to fill that hole in her sole and clearly bullshitting that investigator to garner his sympathy is an insult to us.
bye
If detectives had anything on her, she would be in jail. I realize people won't want to accept this but it's the reality
The detective literally said she wasn't involved, nor aware but people like yourself just keep at it. It's kinda funny actually, in addition to delusional
@@beanj580I knew the first time I just watched that brutal interview with Jenn on the blue loveseat. She didn’t know. Stephan had an easy target with Jenn and my heart breaks for her. People can be so crule.
bean j580. This time Im not that sure. She was given direvetive immunity not full immunity. A lot of what the DA decidea will will depend one whether or not they have a public who is not sympathetic toward her and third is they would never evwn consider a case until well after Stephan's conviction.
My history informed me well.