i agree, i still really enjoyed the other seasons. but they definetly suffered from some bad writing/plot choices, and some boring fight scenes. that being said i got super invested again the last season... but must admit i was dissapointed at the ending. although, gotta give testament to jensens acting, i had a lump in my throat haha. i will miss the show for sure man, i very rarely get emotionally attatched to the media i consume but this is one of the very few exceptions.
The moment it went from ghosts/demons to suddenly include angels and God and Lucifer that's when it went off the rails. Half the time it was dean just bitching because God didn't do x God didn't do y God didn't do z. Then they made God a sister...who apparently was smarter than God. I mean it really just got extremely stupid.
I have to say my main problem with the ending was how anticlimactic it was. It felt very rushed, and a lot of past characters were neglected (Covid or otherwise).
It's amazing how many shows don't stick the landing, you have years of build up, then fall over at the end. Supernatural certainly wasn't the worst, it was just, meh. But on the other end you have a rare few that really nail a great send off and go out in style.
@@paulmccloud9395 I think a lot of shows try to be cutesy and divert the audiences expectations, but after years of commitment most audiences just want an ending that gives some closure and stays true to story and character development built up over the years. Friends vs HIMYM is the perfect example, friends just gave us more or less everything we wanted so we could ride off into the sunset satisfied, HIMYM tried to do too much and is remembered as an extremely dumb ending.
Deans death was heartbreaking, but in his final moments, it allowed dean to finally be vulnerable in that he was able to tell Sammy all the things he felt in his heart, but was otherwise too uncomfortable to talk about/say: “I’m so proud of you, you always stood up to dad” “My baby brother” “I love you so much”
I loved it too as it helped me process losing my own older brother. We never got a chance to say what we really felt and seeing that play out and have Sam go on to have a family and a life of his own hit me really hard. Going on without him but still building a life rather than wallow in loneliness.
@@danielmihaylov5525 We tend to call it vulnerability as it means allowing yourself to be vulnerable by opening your heart and taking the risk that what you say isn't received as expected from the other part, meaning their reaction might hurt you. Vulnerability is a common word in that case and doesn't need to be taken negatively.
Dean throughout the show: we both know how this ends, Sam! I’m gonna die at the hands of some damned creature. That’s the only ending for me! Sam, always: No, Dean. You’re more than this life. What do _you_ want for yourself? The writers: lol nah he’s right
You’d of thought that as they are on the side of righteousness (literally doing gods work) on the show, that they’d of been compensated in some way, like maybe immortality for a bit until the balance of good and evil was level again. Or them not dying in the season. Or one of them getting married and their parents back for 24hours or something.
@@jessieb7290 But that was the whole show, wasn't it? The whole story was that they were the main characters in an in-world story, playing with LITERAL God Mode cheats on. The ending was them sacrificing that protection for free will, and Dean, confused throughout the show how he'd possibly lived so long, playing so long with god mode on, immediately screws up a basic hunt. I didn't like it at the time either, but it was perfectly in character.
For me, the way Dean died was the biggest insult. He didn't go out swinging, he died by a fucking nail on a wooden pillar. The writers had the right thought that sure Dean would die and Sam would always live his life out but it felt flat. I would've loved for the Brothers to just get in the impala and drive into the sunset.
That ending would have been far too cliche. It’s foreshadowed over and over in the show that he would die on the hunt. The way he dies on the nail symbolizes the mortality of our characters, and I personally believe it was perfect.
That was the whole point Bro. From the very beginning Chuck had a hand in the adventures and now that he's gone they are free from plot armour and are exposed to the harsh reality of a side character.
@@littlemiller6 just because it symbolizes something doesnt mean it does it well. tired of these shitty ass endings and people making it up for it saying it symbolizes this or that and that its actually perfect. like bitch really? we gonna ignore the fact that if the ending was in season 5 it wouldve made sense. or the fact it distroyed all the character development?
@@kylemendes7246 I'm not a fan of how it ended myself and there were to many plot holes like the fact that Chuck is all knowing but didn't pick up on Sam and Deans plans. Why does he all of a sudden become so childish. This is not the same Chuck I knew and like at the end of season 5. But then again the fans are always gonna bitch.
@@LuxValkyrie I’m a normal female fan, I don’t get involved with creepy fan fiction forums and lust over two straight men getting it on. When they retcon supernatural though and pretend that scene never happened, you can apologise. x
For me the episode before was the ending, with them driving off in to the distance. For 15 seasons we were god, watching them go through heaven and hell for entertainment, they achieved the impossible of breaking gods will and force, and earning their own life. So us not knowing how it truly went for them feels truer to theme, but I get the majority wouldn't want that, of course we want to see them find happiness after it all. I enjoyed the final episode but more as a What If.
For me personally I could have accepted Dean dying so suddenly if instead of a random vampire getting lucky he willingly sacrificed himself to save Sam or even just a random person. I would have still been upset since I like Dean more than Sam, but I would have been happier with that than what we got.
@@jakerobinson9475 you wanted a more noble sacrifice as opposed to a 'no one is protecting you' death. However, the death Dean got (presumably) showed Sam that they're not semi-immortal anymore and that he needed to live life to the fullest. At first, I felt like you do, but then I realized the maturity of Dean's death. It showcased that, in spite of all their power-ups over the years, they are just men (and Sam needed to be aware of that moving forward). If Dean had died in a noble sacrifice, Sam might have become reckless and followed him soon after instead of (presumably) marrying and having a son of his own.
@@JasonON I would agree if this ending was used for S2-3. I recently watched the first and last episodes back to back, and the ending works a bit better. But the problem is that this was used for S15, where a big part of Dean’s arc was his insecurity and fear that he was nothing more than a broken man only good to be a killer and destined to die because of a monster. This ending is something Chuck might have written, full of angst and tragedy. Inherit the Earth is a much better ending, where Sam and Dean reject the roles Chuck created them to be, outsmarted him instead of killing him, and are free to live any life they wanted. Also side note, this ending also undermines Jack’s arc. His whole thing was building him up to be a good God, but he’s basically just as apathetic and uncaring as Chuck, who specifically created monsters to make the story more entertaining. Why would Jack keep the monsters around? Edit: Second problem is that it undermines Sam’s story as well. We had 15 seasons showing that Sam and Dean had an unhealthy co-dependent relationship where they can’t live without each other. Sam naming his son after Dean and have all the montage scenes focus on that might have worked back in S2-3, but in S15 it makes it seem like he found a replacement for Dean and just spent the rest of his life waiting to be reunited with Dean instead of living life to the fullest. I respect that you enjoyed this ending and I’m glad it worked for you, but I can never get past these issues.
@@JasonON The entire ''plot armor'' arc was terrible! Show handwaved all the hard earned skills, experience and wits of our characters by saying it was secretly God that prevented people from killing them all this time. To the point they couldnt pick a damned lock! The best middleground was earlier into the show where both Dean and Sam needed to be vessels for two archangels so Heavens wouldnt let them stay dead despite how many times they died or came close to dying. That was a good compromise. You still had your characters being capable, but also had a reason on how on earth they managed to beat some of the villains that was way out of their league.
I honestly thought the second to last episode _was_ the last episode. It was almost perfect, they literally ride off into the sunset having achieved relative world peace. Took me months to figure out there was one more and, oh boy. Wish I never watched it.
Same! We went on a year thinking we saw the finale! Honestly we half checked out last two seasons but still loved the show. We heard a podcast talking Dean cues and are like what? It might of been 18 months we didn’t know 😂
I still feel it was so pointless an episode... They could have ended it at the second-last episode and then had an epilogue after the credits showing Sam and Dean's meeting in Heaven with some flashes of their lives since, or something. They never needed to actually let Dean's nihilism win...
@@bakaichigo Their lives could never have been any other way. Dean is _the_ hero, he's the archetype given form, he would never stop hunting unless he was forced or he was dead, and Sam would never leave Dean alone after all they've been through. Sam's character has repeatedly been shown to be one who will sacrifice the life he wants to protect his loved ones. I didn't love the ending, but honestly it's one of the only ways for these characters' stories to play out. They could have just ended it with a ride in Baby with a song playing, but they chose to follow the story through to the end, and that's really the only way to give Sam his happy ending. Dean was never going to get a happy ending on Earth, he's only really ever loved two or three women and he watched them all die, he wouldn't have settled down and started a life with some random normal person.
I loved the overall idea and feeling of the ending, but Dean being done in by a couple of vamps after all of what he’d been through just seemed a little unbelievable to me. Still, the vibe of those last few scenes were beautiful! One of my absolute favorite shows of all time!
I was struggling to understand the logic in that too until God said that they would lose their power and lick that came with being a part of God’s shoe since the show was his will and the boys while being told this at the time we’re good with those losses, didn’t realize how human and weak it would make them on their exact next mission after achieving free will
@@BruceKraftJr Yeah, it makes even more sense when you look at the episode where god removes their "plot armor" and they have to to go to the casino to get luck. In that episode it showed that without the "plot armor" they where literally normal humans. The Impala broke down (as old cars are supposed to) and Dean got food poisoning from eating at a shitty restaurant. In that state is entirely believable that Dean could get impaled on piece of metal while fighting a vampire because that's the kinda thing that could happen while fighting in a old barn.
I was bugged Jack kept the monsters on Earth, when he reset reality. I couldn't get past, "Why are there still fucking vampires!" Having Dean die fighting vampires, was cliche. Jack's reset, should have put Angels in heaven, Demons in Hell, monsters in purgatory, and humans on Earth. Ending the Supernatural on Earth, in their reality. No Supernatural, no show. Forcing the guys to live "normal" lives, because there are no Supernatural monsters to hunt. Dean can still get to Heaven first by a bunch of years.
I think the reason why jack let the monsters live on is that at the point of omnipotence and being all knowing he understood why the monsters were there, why they had to exist.
Don't forget...some monsters were good and were actually friends to the boys. For example Benny the vampire,then there was that werewolf skinny dude with twin babies named Sam and Cas. Etc. Eliminating all monsters would have got rid of those ones too and yet they weren't bad and deserved a chance.
I love whe he says at the end "Dude, it's Supernatural, of course we can". thinking about the return of my favorite tv show of all times its an awesome feeling. And when he said that it just gave me hope. HOPE, its a big word with only 4 characters.
I just went to the DC convention this past weekend and Jensen hinted so many times at bringing Supernatural back, I really think he has plans for the future for a revival or something
How he died though, Sam got old and died, they’re whole life played out, bringing them back would undo everything, they’re not bringing it back for that reason
@@benbishop4983They've both died multiple times throughout the show, wdym how? Anything is possible in the show and while I don't really know what new original things they could come up with (I'm sure they could, I'm just not creative so I can't think), the characters would definitely be able to come back in some form.
I'm still in the "it was an awful ending" camp. These characters are near and dear to my heart like so many other fans of the show. I was really ill when I started watching it trying to take my mind off of the hell I was going through. Dean was, to be frank, the hero of the show. He was broken, often lost but always a guy who fought the good fight and never gave up on that fight, or on those he loved or felt a sense of duty to protect. His ending was anticlimactic and unneccasary IMO. I know COVID was happening which threw things off in terms of filming but, honestly, the writers should have just left it as it was in the previous episode with the boys riding off into the sunset in the impala together. Dean was the one, more than anyone else, that I wanted to have a bit of happiness in his life. I hope they come back for another season or more. Supernatural, with the right writers, could have many more stories to tell. They found magic with story of Dean and Sam. That's a rare thing.
I suspect that final episode was written so it would be a complete end of the story. As much as the fans love the show and the characters, I think they tried to make us stop wanting more. Notice I said "tried."
I agree 100%. I always thought Dean was the one character who deserved a happy ending more than anyone else. And that’s the character they decided to give a bullshit death and ending too. I think they dropped the ball there. I also agree this bad ending was perhaps intentional so people wouldn’t want more. It worked on me. I completely cut off from spn fandom after that. Until very recently when I was made aware about s16 rumours. I was so cutoff I didn’t even know about the Winchester show until now. But yeah, at the same time that disappointing ending definitely left a fair amount of people wanting more because they wanted them to fix what they had done and write a better ending for Dean. I for one had no hope so I just left. Well I guess now that I am back, I hope S16 comes true and fixes the mistakes they made, specially Dean’s ending if they aren’t gonna fix anything else.
@@LegendaryTalesandTrailsI agree but i have mixed feelings. I actuallt just ended the show 2 days ago after 10 years since i first started watching. and it felt like i went through rhe 5 stages of grief. I liked it but i wanted more. but at the sametime i just dont know how they can made another season with an ending like that. Dean died doing things he wanted. He went down with a fight. and Sam died the way he AND dean wanted for him, a normal life, a child and wife died at old age. and Jack made things for the better as the new god Cas is out of the empty helping him. Everyone now at peace. the only way i can think of starting a new season now, starts with Dean sam's son and i think his name is dean because the clothes his son was wearing as a baby said "dean" on it. So sams son finds out about everything his dad and uncle did, and continues the family business, later bring back Sam and Dean for another adventure. maybe..
@@caribarber so crazy to find someone in same situation as me lol I watched this show for 4 seasons when it first aired and then literally did not watch it for the next 10 plus years because of a variety of reasons. I kept thinking I'll catch up because I didn't think it would last more than MAYBE 6 seasons!!! I am back to watching season 4, but I am already looking at all the spoilers and already watched the series finale lol. I agree with you in that I would have liked seeing them ride off into the sunset but I don't think that Dean would ever have stopped hunting. This way Sam could live his life and Dean was resting in heaven free from all his torment on earth. Sure is crazy watching this show at 53 when I was about 33? when I first started watching LOL
I just watched the entire show, and stopped at S15 E19. Watching them ride off into the sunset after finally being free and defeating Chuck, I didn't want to watch the next episode lol. I already knew some spoilers about the ending so I decided my watch through was done at episode 19
Man, this show has been with me for years and it was my number 1 for a long time. I remember being nervous about how they would end the show every week when the final season was running. Ever since the ending, I've sort of been feeling confused and bothered by the lack of satisfaction that it could have had. I don't know where to place this show in my mind anymore. But one thing I'm sure about is that this show means a lot to me and I will always love it.
Same bruh, this show raised me since I was 15 (I'm 31 now) and I felt so saddened and let down after the finale, and we have to admit, this show made us run for our money, but the finale was the biggest let down of them all.
I felt the same it just really put me off but i really wasn't seeing things properly either because i was so caught in the hype. Try ending it after season 10 it ends on a cliff hanger but you're still left happy and it's been fun and quite better quality since season 7, i mean the special effects were great in season 10 i couldn't ask for a better way to do things it was pretty cinematic. When you're ready to come back the best thing to do is watch supernatural slowly and work out which seasons and episodes you like and don't like and how much you want to skip especially in seasons 4 and 5. For me i hate the god/lucifer/apocalypse story arcs so i'm skipping as much of that as possible. Then as you're watching you'll figure out what can make you feel more passionate about supernatural again, for me it was the episode "As Time Goes By" that was so well done because of the better quality and i'm a lot more interested in the Men Of Letters side of things which they totally left behind from season 11 onwards apart from sam and dean mentioning it a few times to solve cases. Btw they change quite a few things just as a means to work up to some sort of ending so it's no wonder so many people are confused because j2m was asked if they want to end it before filming season 11 and honestly everything from season 11 onwards just felt like they were planning at any moment to end the show, which we now know why because the cw were going under and making plans to sell and season 15 had to be the last because they had to cancel a lot of shows including supernatural, and it's a shocker they were worth anything because they didn't make a profit on anything they made it was always warner bros funding it. They start to change things a little bit from season 8 and you realize one of the things they changed is how their impala was somehow already the family car like because Henry Winchester broke into it saying it was the family car but it was John who bought the car when in 1964 who then Dean convinced him to buy it when he was sent back in time. All the other things they changed from season 11 onwards it just didn't match up to anything beforehand. So the cw were planning to end things since season 9 or 10 at least we just didn't see it.
It's the season 5 ending of the show, where I stopped watching the show, and frankly kind of my preferred end point. It's dark but Kripke ended it in a place that made sense. Sam the martyr, Dean has a new young family.
@@jaycievictory8461 idk I didn't exactly get "healthy coping" vibes from Sam during the final montage, but either way it's so hard to think how the story would've continued with so many more factors that I feel the writers didn't/couldn't include (namely all the friends Dean and Sam still had that I don't think would allow either of the brothers to isolate themselves).
@@jaycievictory8461 Sam's lost pretty much everyone he cared about in the last year, he really shouldn't be able to cope with anything after losing Dean too.
Supernatural 1-5 is the real story, if it ended there it would’ve gone down as the best horror/sci fi show of all time. Only watched the other seasons because I was a big fan growing up! Glad Jared & Jensen got paid for 10 more years lol
I never understand why people wanted it to end with season 5 and I don't think the show would be talked about if it went off the air back in 2010. I think season 11 would've been the right time to wrap it up. Seasons 12-15 were too unfocused.
Bruh they have to bring supernatural back! I loved the show and couldn’t accept the ending! I’m a fucking hell of a fan, I remember seeing the first episode after SmallVille… every week I’d meet my best friend at his house after school after that to see each episode. 30 years now and I can’t remember watching and loving another show like SUPERNATURAL.
I always felt that there were two endings. The second to last episode was pretty much a finale of its own with Sam and Dean driving off into the sunset. It felt like they were leaving it up to the fans to imagine how things go from there. Then you have the last episode which is a more final in its approach in which it left little to nothing for the fans to imagine. Personally between the two I like the sunset ending. It felt appropriate for the show since sam and dean always felt like modern day cowboys. Plus knowing dean I felt he would like getting a Last Crusade sort of ending.
Truth is, not a joke. Me and my girlfriend watched thinking 19 was the last episode! We didn’t realize there was one more till a year Peter listening to this podcast… not a joke
Conceptually I feel like the ending really fits, but the big issue with it was the execution. I think even people who liked the ending can point out issues with the execution, and a lot of people who didn't like the ending probably would have taken it better had it been executed properly. I feel like I speak for most fans when I say that I wish that the show would have been postponed if it meant that they could have released a polished product instead of what we got.
You stole the thought right out of my head! I tried to comment something to this sentiment but you worded it perfectly! The execution was fucking crap point blank period….. I would have happily and patiently waited a few years if I had to, if it meant they could do the boys justice.
I had been discussing this with my gf who's also a fan for months after the ending. The execution was a big problem. If it weren't for the pandemic, they could have brought tons and tons of characters back. Donna, Jody and the girls, Garth, other hunters who would come for Dean's funeral instead of being just Sam and the dog. Characters that were mentioned by name from Bobby when he met Dean in Heaven: John, Mary, Charlie, Kevin, Rufus, Cas, Jack, everybody else in between. The actors obviously couldn't participate because of Covid, so, if they had delayed the ending a little more, I think they could have brought back all these characters for a short cameo. That might've sat better with fans.
What bothers me is that they had a lot of extra time to really work on a perfect episode. The limitations of the pandemic surely put a damper on the cameos - but again, they had MONTHS to adjust and even write a new script and ending, instead of trying to rework one around what they didn't have. The show started with just the brothers - so why not an ending episode with just them and no cameos? A simple 2 hour clip show, where Dean and Sam just look back on what's happened and remember those that they lost and the adventures they've had. End with them getting a new lead on a case and heading off to do what they do, hunt. Or even fancy it up with their finding something in their dad's journal that they overlooked or never understood before, one last puzzle to be unlocked and head off on into the sunset on that clue. Either one keeps the boys out hunting and open to future movies. Or they could have just ended the show at Dean's funeral. The whole Sam's life after Dean portion was just terribly done and I think it's what really hurt the episode. That would have worked better as a really quick clip montage - Sam at a desk in Law School, Sam graduating, Sam in court, Sam getting married, Sam holding his son (who is NOT named Dean), Sam retiring, Sam dying, then the same final scene. We didn't need any dialogue, just classic Supernatural music until Dean says, Hi Sam.
They should have used 4/5 of an episode on Sam franticly trying to save his brother by supernatural means, while Dean fought to survive in a hospital, full on Grey's anatomy style, surgery and shit. Heartfelt goodbye. Then quick montage of Sam living his life and then the heaven thing. The way it went down was just boring and anti climatic. Off course he had to die and off course he had to be taken out by something insignificant, but he was a fighter and that death scene was so wrong for him.
@@alexandrosvlachadamis5318 Exactly! I didn't realize it happened because of the pandemic but I guess that kind of makes sense. I thought the way Dean died was humanizing, and I was ok with that. I thought their concept for Sam's life after Dean died, made sense, except they stripped all of the personalness out of it. Like, they have a friend who's god and brings everyone back except their friends? Or if they get brought back they're never seen or mentioned? Like, bring back Sam's girlfriend (blanking on the name), have her get pregnant so they give up hunting and spend their lives together, sneaking off from time to time to help Jody but otherwise growing old and making sure their kids never get involved in that world the way he never wanted to be. They missed all the little details.
The problem with this ending for me, is that the brothers never actually got their free will. Dean was very open about not wanting to be a puppet and to be able to make his own choices knowing they were really his own. The concept of free will gave his life meaning in a sense. From the beginning of the show Dean made it very clear he always expected to die a hunter, he'd never get out of that life. And he did, he died during a hunt and Sam went on to have a family and live a normal life like he'd wanted to throughout the entire show. For me, it just shows little growth from the beginning of the series. So, essentially throughout the entirety of the series they were telling us exactly how it'd all end. I just hate the fact that it feels so linear and is basically ignoring all the developments that were made.
Yeah but Sam was never really happy hunting unless he was with Dean and Sean never liked having a family because when Sam came back from hell without his soul Dean immediately started ignoring Lisa and Ben and hunting with Sam and the cambells
Yes, it was all the potential development that the ending essentially voided out. Sam lived a life and Dean died on a hunt, and if the series never occurred...Sam would have lived a life and Dean would have likely died on a hunt. So essentially there was NO POINT to the series because there was no growth between the beginning and end. I wasn't even really invested in the show by the end, and even I felt like it was a shitty ending.
@@LittleHobbit13 That's what death really is like. No matter how you grow, no matter where you end up. The reality is, everything comes to an end eventually. So you must ask yourself: Was it worth it in the end? Was it all pointless? I mean really, you can argue that, yes, they did experience growth and in the end, they technically went out in the way they wanted. Sometimes it's just time to bring everything to an end, and not all endings are perfect or even great. But, let's be fair though, the ending of Supernatural was emotional.
Your explanation is exactly why the ending made sense to me. The 15 years of the show was their journey but one thing never changed: Dean would hunt to the end and Sam wouldn't stop unless he had sufficient reason to. That reason was the (permanent) loss of Dean. And he got to appreciate a win of the ultimate battle- free will, no matter how short he got to enjoy it. My wife thinks the episode before it should've been the ending but I thought the last episode was necessary.
I've watched supernatural from beginning to end like 3 or 4 times. still love it. I don't think there is another show like this that shows true brothers being emotional while being bad ass at the same time. and you dont need to be blood to be a brother. the songs especially hit the heart strings.
@@tanmaysonawane4618 trust I haven't waist my life on this show. For you to think I have cuz I watched a show 3 or 4 times. Thats crazy. I'm sorry you even think like that.
@@tanmaysonawane4618 ok. 57 days this show has been going on since 2005. You can repeat seasons so many times. An episode a day can take 1 year and it's only 44 mins an episode. Itll take 3 years to watch it over 3 times. No I'm not saying I just watch 1 episode a day but you think I Bing watch a show in 57 days (57 DAYS) thats wild. and the fact you told me get a job make money cuz I watched it multiple times. And im wasting my life. But hey its your opinion.
I loved the ending, and cried for days after I finished it. I was a teenager when the show started. I remember the trailer and first episode when it aired. I’ve grown up with the show so the ending was bitter sweet. I do wish Dean and Sam got to have their vacation in the end.
I had always imagined sam and dean would some how find a way out of the life,like an alter world where they were both able to settle down on a ranch raising there families together and drinking there beer and just remembering the demon hunting days as they watch the sunset. I just really feel dean and Sam both deserve the lives they couldn’t have.
Honestly, the final episode actually had me forgiving all of the shows shortcomings throughout the years. I mean, Dean dying on a hunt (like he always said he wanted to go) and Sam getting to live his normal life and constantly reminded of the road he took with his brother and finally dying hearing the exact same words he spoke to Dean and they both end up in a new heaven with everyone they lost.... I was seriously moved
The last few seasons, I felt that the only way the show could end is with them dying. It felt like everything they did made no difference. Like evil would always exist.
It is probably what that guy said to Jensen. Dean always said that there is only one way this ends. Dying on the hunt. Dean wanted to just die on his hunt. He was done. He faced and replaced GOD for christs sakes (pun intended). Dean was the one who got to live out his life for a bit before Sam came back from the dead and it was Sams turn to do the same. The show ended great in my opinion.
Sam deserved to get back to his life and live long and happy after he was taken from it in the pilot. So it seemed apt so not sure why Jensen thought the opposite
For me I absolutely hated Dean dying in the finale. And the reason for that is simple. The Winchester's spend the whole show saying how hunters lives end bad and bloody. I felt they had a chance to be different with the ending. Go in the opposite direction of what was the usual for the show. Instead, they killed off Dean the minute they defeated Chuck and were finally free. To me, that made zero sense because as a viewer that watched from the beginning, I wanted them to get a happy ending. Maybe reuniting the Winchester family with John, Mary, Dean and Sam since we never got to see the entire family together aside from the Lebanon episode. To this day, anytime I rewatch the final season I cut off at the next to last episode because I felt it was a much better ending. At least doing a montage of the show with them riding off in the Impala was fitting because it left the door open to have them bring the show back later. Needless to say I was greatly disappointed with how the final season and ending played out.
theres no way to give them a real happy ending theres ALWAYS gonna be monsters to fight and how many times had Dean said hes NEVER GONNA STOP BE A HUNTER so hes set in how he dies Sam already quit once so yeah hed stop again if Dean died so this ending or them goin out Butch n Sundance style were the ONLY 2 endings for the show my opinion Butch n Sundance would have been way better...they got the happiest ending they possibly could have
You are one of the few though. As someone who's been there since the very beginning myself, literally everyone in my fandom group wanted them both to die to finally be at peace.
yeah i also think it was a little rushed cuz of covid but like dude till this day it gets me mad cuz it really could have ended so much better and left a cliff hanger obv anything can happen in supernatural but still horrible ending and it’s sad cuz that last season wasn’t that good
What I believe they did with the final episode is made them completely normal people. Before this, their life was controlled by Chuck so they obviously couldn't die (or at least couldn't die for good) but after Chuck's death no one was manipulating them which is why Dean had such a regular death by a rando vamp when he killed beings nowhere close to that. I didn't like the ending either, with the time speed after Dean's death. Like there were other characters as well like Jody, Claire etc
Dean's death was what Dean always wanted in a sense. To go out hunting and fighting. It full circled the show in that sense. Sam finally got to have the life he wanted it was perfect in tune with the show and the characters. No matter how much growth they had as people, in the end, Dean always expected to leave the world during a hunt. It was perfect symmetry from that perspective. He was a hunter through and through. There was no happily ever after for him, even if he deserved it or even if he wanted it. That was the beauty and tragedy of Dean Winchester.
@@littlelauli4487 I think some fans let their own feelings and attachments toward the characters take away from the characters themselves. Nothing at all in Dean's development and growth as a person was going to change his overlying destiny. Even he knew that, which is why things with Lisa eventually had to end.
I'm 31 now, and I started watching Supernatural on Day 1. for half of my life, that show had been something to look forward to. I've dealt with mental health issues my whole life, and sometimes, that weekly Supernatural episode felt like the ONLY thing I had to look forward to week by week. When it ended, I felt lost. I really didn't know what to do with myself after that. But, I knew from pretty early on that it was going to end in death. It had to. The brothers were never going to grow old together in the comfortable "apple pie" life. One of them was going to die in the end, and I always knew that it would be Dean. So, I was okay with the ending. I mean, dying on a routine vampire hunt was pretty dumb, I will admit, but he was going to die, I knew that all along. I've since grown as a person and learned better self-management strategies, but thank you, Jared and Jensen, for giving me something to look forward to every week for 15 years.
Butch and Sundance was the ending I always kind of expected. I really feel like Jensen still doesn't like the ending. I mean he was talking about them coming back to do a continuation for the show before the show was even finished. I've heard him on lots of different things and I really feel like one day he is going to do something to get Sam and Dean back for one more run. The ending to the show might have felt better if it didn't have all the obvious constraints on it like it did.
He certainly doesn't. The finale script says "6 months" (after ep 19) & in one of the recent cons Jensen said the brothers lived for years after that. Poor guy's basically changing the canon to deal with that finale crap.
I have that feeling the main Supernatural series is not the last of it, even with the finale we had. Especially since this show was supposed to end seasons earlier and continued. It's all about what they want to do honestly. Never say never, I've seen things come back when I never thought I'd see, so it's entirely possible for a continuation at some point.
HBO should have picked up the show after season 5 and made it a more rated r type would have skyrocketed the show more than what it was I loved the show I rewatch the show all the time
It's not the event of dying that was bad, but it's how he died. Countless times, these guys had been strapped, tied, burned, maniupukatrd, possessed, etc. However, a random thing is what got him. A freak accident... Sure, I know it referenced on how he would like to die on a job gone wrong, but they took that concept too far.
I think the point was that without Chuck, their "plot armor" was gone. Think about how many times some accident like that should have happened, but never did.
@@sillyslicker1 think about the thousands of times they cut their palms to offer a blood sacrifice, yet they don't have any scars. They were low level super heros, that power ended with the show.
@@GeomancerHT Yep - their palms should have been seriously fucked up. They really were like a more realistic version of superheroes. I wasn't happy when I first watched the finale, but I now think that gives you an interesting lens to view the show through.
@@jonp6201 Yeah, I know 😕Looking back, I think it made sense for Dean, even if it's not the ending we hoped for. He just seemed more and more beat down with every season, drinking more by the episode, and you could just see how tired he was. I think Cass dying, seemingly for good, was the final straw.
I think Jensen's first gut feeling was the correct one. The show ended in the worst way possible because it didn't make sense after 15 years of "character development". In season 5, it made sense, Kripke's idea made sense, the arc made sense. After 15 years of poorly written storytelling without a clear path... That ending was shit.
Ye Supernatural first 5 seasons awesome. Seasons 6-7 were Ok everything else after that was bad same thing just different bad guy each season. And their constant depression was so hard to watch. Should of ended after season 5.
Couldnt agree more i hated it what a slap in the face to jenson and all the fans they beat god lucifer and endless amount of big badass badbuys for dean to be taken out by some lame vampire from seasons ago the last episodr made no sense amd was rushed they should have left it at episodr 19 it would have been perfect ending nobody will ever change my mind dean deserved better and i think jenson will always feel the same about that too
@@patriciamayhew6321 i can see why jenson wasnt hapoy about it he may say he found a way to ubderstand it but i still think he hates it as much as us its clear by his face when he talks about it 15 years of him being dean for them to do that they should have ended it at episode 19 it was perfect
For me, it made me angry because, while Dean did have his faults, he really grew as a person throughout the show. Yet he ALWAYS saw that ending for himself. And so because he grew, I thought he deserved way better than what he always saw for himself. It just sucked. It felt like it was done because they KNEW it would piss off the majority. Idk. 🥴
Im currently rewatching. Season 4 and 5 really made a good show a great show. Season six has been rough. But it did give us weekend at bobbys and the episode in the real world which are standouts.
I just watched the ending 8 hours ago, and I must say hearing Jensen talk about this now makes me feel better about everything, I'm glad I hadn't watched the last season until now, I'm so relieved now after hearing his opinion... Supernatural is the best show for me!
The wife and I hated the series ending. The episode before that should have been the ending. Kept an open door for possible movies, etc. Would love to see Supernatural come back for a few new seasons and right the wrong.
I keep hoping to hear more about that. I know that I’ve heard a few people involved on the show say that they’d be interested in coming back + making a new couple of seasons. And the CW network is suffering without the show. 👀 it’s supernatural, they could always come back!
"Would love to see Supernatural come back for a few new seasons and right the wrong." To do what though? The show already had a problem of having to one up itself every season with the villain. Where do you go from the literal creator of the universe?
I thought the 2nd to last episode was the last one. Then I saw there was one more and I thought maybe it was one of those wrapup episodes where the actors talk. When I saw dean hit the nail I turned it off. The last episode is where jack walks off. To me. Not the greatest ending, but satisfactory.
I've watched the whole series so many times that I think I know all their lines. Lol As much as I'd love watching the characters continue with their lives, I still enjoy the 15 seasons they had. Jensen and Jared are amongst the greatest actors of all time. It takes great talent to make characters become so realistic that people love them as if they're real people. That's truly remarkable.
I don’t get wrapped up emotionally in shows often, but that scene (you know the one) is the first time I’ve actually gone through every stage of grief in a single scene. I was denying it, I was angry at it, I was sad at it, and by the time the scene was wrapping I accepted it. I know that sounds nerdy but I’m just honestly shocked they were able to do that to me in one scene no less.
I very much had issues with Dean dying. Yes he was my favorite but also that is all he ever saw for himself. He couldn’t imagine anything greater except a bitter end. It haunted him. He thought that’s all he could get and that he deserved. But he didn’t. He deserved a happy ending. Not what he got stuck with.
Right? I was waiting season after season to see him resolve at least some of his issues with how he saw him as being nothing more than canon foder. But at the end he died like one? What is the lesson I can get from that?
Yeah you're right but it's a bit more realistic in the end. You get what you attract. And they still got their happy ending and the scene we wanted to have "the driving into the sunset with the characteristic music of the show". Also Dean death was also a way to get a tour in the new Heaven and meet back with Bobby
I was fine with Dean dying in the end, but I hated how it was done and especially who did it. I also really didn't like not knowing what all was repaired or who came back after Jack " fixed" everything. And then the fact the finale itself never even let us know WHO that woman Sam ended up with was for sure.
The one thing missing from the finale was Castiel. Damn, he deserved to be up there in Heaven waiting for Dean with Bobby. They should reshoot that one scene.
Fan of the show from the beginning and after I mulled over the ending I loved it. Just bummed it happened during Covid so they couldn’t do it exactly how they wanted but they did the characters justice.
Yeah the original ending in heaven was supposed to be everyone at the Roadhouse, they had planned to bring back a ton of characters but Covid restrictions shut all that down. Would be nice if at some point they'd go back and film it so they could add it to the blu-rays or something.
@@bradmiles1984 They could of had crowley welcome sam into heaven, Him sacrificing himself to save them got him into heaven even tho he was a demon he made up for all his sin
@@QrazedGaming Would of been an interesting way to go. Could of had him at the spot with Bobby when Dean first got there. Would be funny to think of those two sharing drinks waiting for Dean to show up.
My problem with the ending is yes of course killing Dean. Making it his “happy/peaceful” ending bothers me. A show with a fandom so intertwined with mental illness and then to have the suicidal character accept death just seems wrong to me. Seems like it is sending the wrong message. Always keep fighting, gets lost when you just accept death and a dumb way to die at that. The other issue is that Dean and Castiel never truly confront each other and conclude the loose end of Castiel’s confession. The finale kinda acts like he didn’t exist, and that he wasn’t a main character. For a show about how family doesn’t end in blood and with such a large beloved cast over many seasons, it is sad and off to me that the finale was all about the boys. Almost like the finale was written for the first or second season, but not after 15 years of characters and character growth.
Then, you're focused way too much on what on a small problem out of a greater whole. The tree in the forest if you will. For argument's sake, we can call his death petty but the meaning behind it is not. Dean represents the SPN show while Sam represents the fandom in this scene. It's hard for the latter to let the former go but this was bound to eventually happen one way or the other. Sam (fandom) doesn't want Dean (the show) to leave but Dean assures him that's he'll be fine and that although he is finished, he continues to live on in Sam's heart (similar to how this show and everything it has brought us as fans will continue to live on through us). Sam lives on and life still continues for him and he builds that life up, which is how we as the fandom should move forward. Thus, we will carry on. At least, that's how I perceived it, which is why I feel happy and grateful for this epilogue of a finale. As for Castiel being a main character....he wasn't exactly the main character. He's an extremely important character, but the focus of this entire story was always that of the two brothers and to have the series end on them was perfectly fitting.
@@TotallyAwesome420 You have some interesting points. The symbolism of the fandom and the show with Sam and Dean definitely fits. But should story telling be based on symbolism alone. Can you justify ruining Dean’s character arc. Going from yearning for death even accepting it, to wanting to live. Is undoing his and Sam’s character development worth symbolism. Depends I guess on your perspective. Of course, it’s about entertainment and the question of story. For me, the final episode had a lot of flaws in its story telling. (Not to mention sloppy production: wig and same song twice. I mean come on…) Killing Dean with a nail is not entertaining nor satisfying. A matter of personal opinion for sure. On one hand, it could be a good ending, if it was for one of the earlier seasons, the problem for me is that it wasn’t. This was a ending for a 15 season show with numerous beloved characters, so to write a shakespearian tragedy like ending feels lazy. The dark moody tone shifted with time, and so did the characters. Endings are hard for sure, every show ending feels like a lost friend, but having a confession and a dumb death just miss the mark for me. As for Castiel, it wasn’t that the final episode wasn’t about him. Because yes, the boys are the main storyline. However, to have Castiel have his big moment with no response is unsatisfying. Dean goes from begging god to bring back Cas, to not even missing him. That leaves Dean’s arc incomplete. Killing a character off isn’t necessarily a bad ending. Iron man’s death is the perfect tie to his character arc. From selfish to selfless. On the other hand, there is a reason Captain American isn’t killed, because for his character arc to be completed, he has to give up war for the woman he loves. (Very oversimplified arc descriptions) As for the boys, the character arcs are not completed with the final episode. There is no growth, only an ending, which could have happened season 1 episode two, without any character development.
The finale almost killed me. Supernatural saved my life after my brother's sudden death and there are 326 episodes of "go down swinging" and "always keep fighting" only for it to end with, "Give up and die. Nothing is worth living for." It took me almost a year to get out of the suicidal despair that plunged me into. It felt like a huge betrayal, especially when they repeatedly promised not to end it in defeat and then picked the ultimate defeat of despair and suicide (assisted by Sam, who had once said, "I'm not gonna let you die, period.") I still fall into despair when I see screen shots from the finale. On my worst days, I used to tell myself, "Dean Winchester wouldn't give up." Then he did. For no reason.
@@helenwood8482 That sounds rough. I Hope you are doing better now. I have totally been there, heck still am I guess. Hope you know that Jensen hates the finale too, because it doesn’t fall in line with Dean as a character. So you just know that Dean would never give up and neither should you. Always keep fighting, because someone in the world needs you, someone in this world could be impacted by you, and because there is hope for better days ahead. You are loved, important and of value, don’t forget that. You are also not alone, even when it feels like it. These videos are the true ending of supernatural for me, where the boys get married and have kids. ruclips.net/video/-g4GvWCbl_8/видео.html ruclips.net/video/2vu46Oc51-I/видео.html Hope it helps, just scrub the original out of your head. Honestly you couldn’t pay me to watch the finale again,(except maybe the beginning with the dog.)
In my opinion I thought the main problem with the ending was clear. Sam always wanted "the American pie life", but that was yeeeaaaaars ago. Supernatural came too far along to come full circle on that; if Supernatural had ended much, much earlier, then it would have been a good send-off for both characters. When you have Dean and Sam, struggling to fight vampires, ghosts and other creatures, then it feels reasonable. Once the story transcends to literally fighting angels and God, then it feels a bit anticlimatic to revert to a humble lifestyle; a bigger payoff was needed for such an epic journey. A nod back to a few sentences about wanting a normal life in the earlier seasons just didn't cut it (for me).
Not to mention the whole wanting a normal life (Sam) and dying on a hunt (Dean) quotes were perfectly resolved with the S5 ending. Sam sacrificing himself was the only way to beat Lucifer and Dean moves on and lives a normal life with a family and learns to love and be loved. The S15 ending is an inverted parody in comparison.
Yes too much had happened they should've forgot the god story arc, found something else to build up to, or maybe didn't make god so twisted and evil, and then kept with sam and dean carrying on the men of letters legacy which i mean they were living in one of their bunkers. They just shut it down in the end and made them leave like it meant nothing but sam wanted to be a man of letters. They didn't have to carry on with the hunter lifestyle they could've escaped it by rebuilding the men of letters and leaving it up to others who wanted to they had done that job enough. There was still dangers and they would've been in danger still occasionally and they would've had to of helped train the men of letters and still deal with demons and other supernatural creatures, but they wouldn't be going on constant cases anymore always with the possibility it might be their last and they wouldn't be kicking up who knows what else from the shadows lol they caused too many problems too. Men of letters was right there the perfect alternative to help them escape and not have to fight anymore. Warner bros probably knew that though but it would've been the right way to end it. As for Castiel we were always going to say goodbye to him because he was the one in love with Dean but he was never in love with Cas, so they got it right when they got Cas to say it's something they can never have but he had bigger duties to attend to in heaven.
I love SUPERNATURAL every season every episode. All the characters and so appreciative they kept going as long as they did . There is no right way or wrong way to end the show . Just the magnificent job everyone did. Ty for all your hard work everyone involved.
Watched and loved since day one and thought incredulously bewildered as I watched the last episode, "They really aren't going to end it this way, right?". The episode before the last one would have excitedly left open the door for more. The last one left me with an, "I don't give a s##t anymore" Now if I hear about a movie adaption or other related project, I'm apathetic. Though nowhere as bad as Dexter's or Game of thrones finales. It sits high in unsatisfying endings. Such a ball drop...
I’ve never watched an episode that I hated and thought was amazingly beautiful and perfect. I was so sick with Covid when I watched it and I just sobbed through it all. The way Sam tells Dean it’s ok broke my heart. I lost my mom when I was 23, she had cancer and we had life support removed and I held her hand for 6 hours. I finally told her it’s ok mom, go, rest, it’s ok, you’ve done enough. And she passed a few minutes later. The hardest thing I’ve ever said to anyone and they way Jared and Jensen did that scene was nothing short of amazing. I’m so angry that they don’t get the credit they deserve for their acting. A lot of people think it’s about hot guys but they just don’t get the depth of the story this shows tells.
@@rmmm6725 Haha yep. The season 5 finale is one of the finest pieces of TV ever. To this day I can't believe they did a season of that senseless Leviathan trash.
For me personally there are two things that don’t sit well with me, one in an earlier episode we learn that Dean and Sam were able to overcome incredible odds because of some mystical luck that they have partly thanks to God. Secondly for Dean to die the way he did was incredibly unlucky but also a death not fit for a hero. Go out guns a blazing or sacrificing yourself to save lives but to get skewered by some vampire minion was just wrong.
Not to mention that God turned against them, so that luck was taken away and they still won against God himself. So even when folks say "well Chuck wasn't protecting them this time", it doesn't make sense because they beat Chuck without his protection. They were better hunters without the protection because they beat the ultimate monster without it - the same monster who was protecting them before. A random vampire just makes no sense.
I don't see how he didn't die a hero's death. You don't have to be actively saving someone. So many people would die if vampires weren't killed. He DID go out guns a blazing. He DID sacrifice himself - in fact, his entire life - to save lives. The fact that they fight them at all makes them heroes. If they die fighting them, they die a hero's death.
I re-watched that final scene (here) the other day.... and I'm already struck by how much COVID "altered" the way SPN ended. (or should have). The scene on the bridge was nice, but when you remember how they had to film it during lockdown during a pandemic, you start to think of all the "what if" possibilities that could have been.
This biggest issue was not Dean dying, but how he died vs something that he would kill in his sleep. If it was something less common, it wouldn't have been as a big of a deal
By S15 we know a few things about Dean, we know he basically can't stop hunting, he just won't, and to me, that says the only way this show ends peacefully for Dean is when he no longer has to do that, i.e, once he dies and gets to go to heaven, since like season 6, the only ending I saw for Dean was death, and I'm happy it did end that way, because after 20+ years of non-stop hunting, trying to stop and never really being able to, I wouldn't have believed Dean Winchester would just stop hunting
@@5Demona5 I agree sam was living a normal life before and after he could stop hunting but Dean never really could so in the end sam grew to be an old man and with this being done in a pandemic Sam dies in a hospital bed in his home an old man pretty much on life support and I think his son being there for him at the end was beautiful so let me give you my perspective from my personal view I had a friend who was a marine who passed away he loved dean's character he would say your castel I'm Dean and my smart brother (my other best friend /his real bio bro was Sam so when Dean Cass and Sam died and pretty much reunited in heaven I mean Bobby does say Cass is back im sure he would check in at some point. I cried. At the end sorry about my rant btw hope you are having an amazing day
I completely agree, my problem with the ending isn't actually about Dean. It's the lack of detail or personalness with Sams ending. None of their friends are even mentioned, he goes on living alone when he should have a support system. If God brought everyone back, then where are all the people who died in the final confrontation? The lack of detail and care in Sams life is my biggest issue with the finale.
I love the show with Dean ( Jensen) The Winchesters - I hope you do a interview with the cast. That is the best thing on tv right now- love it so much. Love how the show is going. I love Mary and john characters. When i heard of it I was so excited- i knew it was going be great.
I get sad when I think about the potential ending we could've had if covid hadn't ruined things but I think it was one of the best endings we had for the situation the team were in. I've made peace with it although I can't help but think about how it could've ended otherwise
Honestly as a fan no matter what ending we would of had I would have had an issue because 14 years and your parting ways , it just sucked , but the ending got me , dean going first being a big brother myself then knowing my lil bro had a full happy life n knowing the other way I would have blamed myself n had a miserable existence so hated that it ended but was cool with it my opinion
I was 15 in high school when that show started. Watching it now, seeing those times, style and music again makes me tear up... seems like a different better world, which I fucking miss
Dean dying makes a lot more sense to me. We already saw him try to live that life in Season 6 and it worked out for the most part, but there was that desire to keep hunting, to have a purpose beyond the simple life. He was born and raised to be a hunter. Sam was the opposite, as he was more accustomed to living such a normal life. My real issue with the ending is that it feels rushed and anticlimactic in a way that feels too small for a show so big. It could have been done far better.
I think it needed to be small though. At it's core they were hunters. This is the most sam and dean way for it to happen. This is how dean always saw it would happen, he knew this was his end. He didn't know when but he knew
Season 5 was the definite ending of SN for me. I just imagine every season that follows is the illusion in Sam's mind to create a safe space inside the cage.
I must of stopped watching before season 5 then cause I don’t remember that. The show ran for ages. So I guess they can be proud of that and so many people still love it. Personally I was put off when it tried to be something else with the god and devil stuff. They should of just kept it to hunting generic demons.
I stopped watching after they killed off Death (Julian Richings) and then replaced him with Billie. I could go on and on about how the original Death dominated every scene; depicting a stoic and enigmatic figure with immense power and knowledge of the universe. Then we had Billie whom came across as nothing but a disgruntled next door neighbour. It all went downhill for me then.
How can you be content with an ending where one of the main characters suffers eternal endless torture and that’s the end of it? I don’t much like Sam but couldnt have handled an end where poor Dean has to live with that knowledge. So both of them end up in Hell really. Neither of them deserved that. I really like Swan Song but the fact that Jared is such a bad actor ruined it for me since he had to replace Pellegrino as the devil. They built up this great villain that we barely got to see and then we had to live with a climax of Jared’s very unconvincing Lucifer. I get why they had to do it that way, it should always have ended with a showdown between the bros. But i guess I just with someone else had played Sam for the whole series honestly lol.
I was also of both camps. When I first seen the season finale I was of the mind that "what a terrible way to end Dean as a character" and was upset for a bit but then I remembered a line from the show and this isn't a direct quote but it went something like "there's no more plot armor for you two so when you die you die"......so remembering how Dean can be somewhat reckless at times, how many times he's died, how he always said that is how he would go and the fact that Chuck was no longer around to keep brining them back for his entertainment it made it easier to except that he would die that way even though I still wish it was different
The ending made sense to me. I started watching the show around 2010 and watched it live from there and through all that time we knew there was only one way it could end
The story about the call is just like the insight even for me now, although I’m just the viewer and didn’t read this whole thing. Thanks for the insight, even if it sounds strange 🙌🏻
I’m fine with Dean dying because that’s exactly how he said his story would end I just wish it was by a gun or a blade. I wanted it to be exactly how Dean said “I know how my story ends it’s at the edge of a blade or a barrel of a gun” I wish it would of been like that
I was ok with the ending, but I really liked the ending after thinking of the OG ending of the Show with Kripkes vision. Its just the reverse. Sam is gone (locked in the Cage) and Dean is the one that has to move on with Lisa and Ben. Obvious, there are some differences, but the overall point is there. It was a tough ending for sure. I cried my eyes out as well.
One of my best friends who was a massive fan of the show. I left at season 5, season 6 and forward never did it for me so i stopped watching. However, my friend who hated season 6 and forward still watch the show because he was loyal to it. However, his problem wasn't that Dean died it was how he died. And I tell you he was soo fucking pissed because Dean was his favorite character.
Yeah. After everything they fought and defeated, to get taken out like that was anticlimactic to me. Though my girlfriend pointed out he died saving some kids, so he went out how he would've wanted.
@@cernstormrunner7263 Well when they defeated every big bad season after season they had plot armor from Chuck, once that was gone they were just like any other hunter. How Dean died easily could of happened to any other hunter during a hunt.
I guess it makes sense in a way. Previously they were THE Winchesters. After that they're just ordinary hunters just like every other hunters. So it's not really shocking Dean can die that way. A way any other random hunters could have died.
I liked the last episode, the way I saw it was, no one was writing their story anymore, so they went head on into a fight with vampires and with no one protecting them anymore, dean just happened to die, like anyone would, yeah it could have been better, but overall it was a good ending.
I agree that Dean never would have settled down, I think the way he died was lack luster. They could have had him go out in a blaze of glory, sacrificing himself for Sam one last time.
Nope that was years ago. At some point Sam became more accepting with the hunter lifestyle than Dean. In one episode he talks about it in season 6. And Dean actually liked settling down when Sam died. So i think if they made a twist and killed Sam and left Dean to live life we would’ve been more satisfied as watchers because it shows the show isn’t where it started and characters changed like any stories. But the writers completely ignored the development that is why everyone hated the finale.
I think any of 3 ways would’ve made a good ending. Dean spent most of the show a little too ready to make the martyr play because he was so convinced that’s how he was destined to go and Sam wanted more than anything to be able to get out of hunting. The ending we got was seeing the brothers hopes for the future come to pass. However I think it could’ve been just as good had sam passed like dean did and it inspired Dean to live the life Sam wanted in memory of Sam, a wife and family with a normal job that is. I also think it would’ve been nice to see Sam leave the hunting life behind and start a family as he ended up doing while Dean decided to stay in the business, training the occasional new hunter until he was too old and retired to owning a hunter bar where he became a new sort of Ellen for a whole new generation of hunters. I fell that any of these 3 endings could’ve been good choices but my pick for personal favorite is the last one.
I was just able to finish this show now. Really sad to see it end. It sounds like Jensen didn’t want to go and would go back if it started up again and it would be completely possible. The snap of someone’s fingers all it all rewinds, the possibilities are endless. Hope to see them again one day soon together. Will miss you boys!
Season 16 idea, Jack actually decides years later to make dean and sam angels , Then they both end up like Castiels role and meet a new hunter (just one) like Garths son or something and they go on hunts with the new hunter but they have castiels powers they can heal and fly (teleport) but because its Garths son hes also a werewolf but hes a hunter and can use his werewolf senses like super strength, Smell etc to help him hunt monsters
2:56 I think the reason they wanted the ending to be like that is because the beginning is a reflection of that just in the beginning, Sam doesn’t get to go out, but he’s learning at college and Dean is a hunter and he comes back to his brother. In the ending, Sam gets to live his whole life and Dean gets to drive his car and spend that little bit of time just waiting on his brother so they can rejoin the family.
Look after 15 years, it’s hard to make an epic ending that can overshadow all that. The ending was sweet and endearing. It brought tears to my eyes, and I think it was perfect. They should make more shows though seriously these guys are not finished.
15 years and it ends like this it was fine the way it ended no big shabang, But when you look at how the other big characters died bobby, jo, ellen they could of been surrounded by like 100 demons attacking them, And dean being dean saying something like Hey butch lets do this, And sam saying why do you get to be Sundance lol
@@QrazedGaming yeah I see. Could have been a WAAAAAY more epic send off. Totally agree. Their ending was touching and sad. They could a done that but also hail if bullets as was proper for some legends.
We can all be honest . It was weak. Not bringing in other characters like Ellen to deans “funeral” and lack of rest of old cast in heaven was weak. Covid is the common excuse but that just doesn’t hold water. It would have cost more to film them and follow guidelines but it could have been done. I think the network should have taken the hit given it’s their longest running show ever. Just lame it was only production stuff that screwed it
I feel I’m one of the few that, though I will always love the show overall, and Jensen and Jared are two of my favorite people, I started losing faith by the middle of season 14, and absolutely hated the entire direction of season 15. As such, my opinion of the last episode has always been tarnished, because by the time I got there, I was too disgusted to make a fair assessment of that episode.
The pandemic really did not help either…. I feel like the much bigger reunion initially planned for the final scenes would have blunted the odd-edges that some felt from the ending, but two weeks of salaries and hotel accommodations (Vancouver was on two-week quarantine for anyone flying in from outside), kinda killed that. I liked the last episode myself (but would’ve preferred a longer impression of intervening time leading to it along with some of those familiar faces). Mostly I still feel very sad that after 15 years of effort the pandemic robbed the cast and crew of what ought to have been a momentous series wrap celebration.
What I like about the death is the tone. It's real like the winchester brothers were. Death usually comes super flat. It's unbelievably quick and it's the most empty feeling there is. Time moves on and someone is gone from you life because of something usually so small. Something so avoidable if you could just go back in time.
We should have known how it would end. Dean always said, "It ends bloody or it ends sad." There weren't many people waiting to greet Dean in Heaven because of Covid. The actors and actresses literally could not get there without quarantining for two weeks each?? To film one scene? Travelling into Canada would have required that. I personally liked it, with Sam and Dean happy together in Heaven at the end. I seem to remember a song saying, 'There'll be peace when you are done.'
I didn't really care for the ending. I thought that the episode before that was a more natural ending to the show: Sam and Dean literally ride off into the sunset. The problem with the ending we got is twofold. First, I thought that it was a pretty weak ending for Dean, as unfitting for such a heroic character as the death of Captain Kirk in "Star Trek: Generations" was. This is a character who has faced off with some of the most powerful beings in the universe, and he gets killed by some low-level vampires the like of which he'd faced lots of times. It makes it looks like he wasn't all that great a hunter, and he'd only won all those times because he was part of Chuck/God's story and had _literal_ plot armor, which was gone once Chuck/God was reduced to mere human. (And I really didn't care for making God Himself the Big Bad for the final season.) The second problem is that the end, as written, seemed too much like excessive fan service -- Dean dies, but in such a way that he has _just_ the right amount of time to pour out his soul to his brother in one long, heartfelt goodbye, thus giving Sam the closure _he_ needs, and leaving nothing unsaid to become a lasting regret. Nice and tidy. Then they're reunited in heaven, with all their loved one's. Fade to black. But then... Since my own "head canon" is that seasons 1-5 are the "real" story, and everything from season 6 onward are apocrypha, I don't really sweat it.
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Supernatural was two shows, up to season 5 and after season 5
i agree, i still really enjoyed the other seasons. but they definetly suffered from some bad writing/plot choices, and some boring fight scenes. that being said i got super invested again the last season... but must admit i was dissapointed at the ending. although, gotta give testament to jensens acting, i had a lump in my throat haha. i will miss the show for sure man, i very rarely get emotionally attatched to the media i consume but this is one of the very few exceptions.
@@sephy980
I saw the show in parts. Back and forth. I think season 5-10 was fantastic too. Seasons 12 to 15 were the least good
The moment it went from ghosts/demons to suddenly include angels and God and Lucifer that's when it went off the rails. Half the time it was dean just bitching because God didn't do x God didn't do y God didn't do z. Then they made God a sister...who apparently was smarter than God. I mean it really just got extremely stupid.
@@johnblack8872
Sam and dean just felt like family friends it’s weird shit where are one connects fictional characters
@@lanostrikoshernostra7292 for real, they were a part of our lives for 15 years haha.
My only complaint with the final episode was the lack of people in heaven waiting to greet Dean. They could have brought SO MANY more people in.
Well actually they couldn't because of Covid. The original idea was to have everyone with Dean welcoming Sam after he dies.
@@mysticknight48433 well they should've waited then
@@knowethjc29 I don't think you understand how filming works or what was going on at that time
@@phantomgamer9264 I do understand how filming works and what was happening at the time I'm not a retard
@@knowethjc29 you must be cause they were on a deadline from the company and COVID was a thing think before you type
I have to say my main problem with the ending was how anticlimactic it was. It felt very rushed, and a lot of past characters were neglected (Covid or otherwise).
I absolutely agree
Exactly!!
It's amazing how many shows don't stick the landing, you have years of build up, then fall over at the end. Supernatural certainly wasn't the worst, it was just, meh.
But on the other end you have a rare few that really nail a great send off and go out in style.
@@paulmccloud9395 I think a lot of shows try to be cutesy and divert the audiences expectations, but after years of commitment most audiences just want an ending that gives some closure and stays true to story and character development built up over the years. Friends vs HIMYM is the perfect example, friends just gave us more or less everything we wanted so we could ride off into the sunset satisfied, HIMYM tried to do too much and is remembered as an extremely dumb ending.
I totally agree! Way to rushed!
Deans death was heartbreaking, but in his final moments, it allowed dean to finally be vulnerable in that he was able to tell Sammy all the things he felt in his heart, but was otherwise too uncomfortable to talk about/say:
“I’m so proud of you, you always stood up to dad”
“My baby brother”
“I love you so much”
This is not vulnerability
I loved it too as it helped me process losing my own older brother. We never got a chance to say what we really felt and seeing that play out and have Sam go on to have a family and a life of his own hit me really hard. Going on without him but still building a life rather than wallow in loneliness.
@@danielmihaylov5525 We tend to call it vulnerability as it means allowing yourself to be vulnerable by opening your heart and taking the risk that what you say isn't received as expected from the other part, meaning their reaction might hurt you. Vulnerability is a common word in that case and doesn't need to be taken negatively.
I can't watch that scene again without crying lol
Dean throughout the show: we both know how this ends, Sam! I’m gonna die at the hands of some damned creature. That’s the only ending for me!
Sam, always: No, Dean. You’re more than this life. What do _you_ want for yourself?
The writers: lol nah he’s right
You’d of thought that as they are on the side of righteousness (literally doing gods work) on the show, that they’d of been compensated in some way, like maybe immortality for a bit until the balance of good and evil was level again. Or them not dying in the season. Or one of them getting married and their parents back for 24hours or something.
Dean often says he wishes that Sam gets to grow old and that's exactly what happens
@@jessieb7290 But that was the whole show, wasn't it? The whole story was that they were the main characters in an in-world story, playing with LITERAL God Mode cheats on. The ending was them sacrificing that protection for free will, and Dean, confused throughout the show how he'd possibly lived so long, playing so long with god mode on, immediately screws up a basic hunt. I didn't like it at the time either, but it was perfectly in character.
Tragic Jensen doesnt grasp hts himself
@@slevinchannel7589 it sounds like he did but he was talked out of it. 😕
For me, the way Dean died was the biggest insult. He didn't go out swinging, he died by a fucking nail on a wooden pillar. The writers had the right thought that sure Dean would die and Sam would always live his life out but it felt flat. I would've loved for the Brothers to just get in the impala and drive into the sunset.
That ending would have been far too cliche. It’s foreshadowed over and over in the show that he would die on the hunt. The way he dies on the nail symbolizes the mortality of our characters, and I personally believe it was perfect.
That was the whole point Bro. From the very beginning Chuck had a hand in the adventures and now that he's gone they are free from plot armour and are exposed to the harsh reality of a side character.
@@littlemiller6 just because it symbolizes something doesnt mean it does it well. tired of these shitty ass endings and people making it up for it saying it symbolizes this or that and that its actually perfect. like bitch really? we gonna ignore the fact that if the ending was in season 5 it wouldve made sense. or the fact it distroyed all the character development?
But, mate, that's the point ain't it?
@@kylemendes7246 I'm not a fan of how it ended myself and there were to many plot holes like the fact that Chuck is all knowing but didn't pick up on Sam and Deans plans. Why does he all of a sudden become so childish. This is not the same Chuck I knew and like at the end of season 5. But then again the fans are always gonna bitch.
I love Jensen's honesty, it's refreshing.
He needs to be more honest and admit he still hates it.
"I think both sides are valid and I agree with both sides."
You: "So refreshing to hear an honest actor!!!!"
Lol
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 , you heard him wrong. He said he has been in both camps. Meaning that his feelings have changed over time.
@@BB25_25Go back to reading your Destiel fan fiction and stop putting words in the mouths of people you don’t even know.
@@LuxValkyrie I’m a normal female fan, I don’t get involved with creepy fan fiction forums and lust over two straight men getting it on. When they retcon supernatural though and pretend that scene never happened, you can apologise. x
For me the episode before was the ending, with them driving off in to the distance. For 15 seasons we were god, watching them go through heaven and hell for entertainment, they achieved the impossible of breaking gods will and force, and earning their own life. So us not knowing how it truly went for them feels truer to theme, but I get the majority wouldn't want that, of course we want to see them find happiness after it all. I enjoyed the final episode but more as a What If.
yup..whole final season blew
Yes! Episode 19 works, that’s the ending for me
@@sim7409 cap, that shit was fire
I thought when Jack became god. That was the last episode.
Nevermind just watched the last episode. I'm glad they're at peace. However I didn't want it to end. 🤦
For me personally I could have accepted Dean dying so suddenly if instead of a random vampire getting lucky he willingly sacrificed himself to save Sam or even just a random person. I would have still been upset since I like Dean more than Sam, but I would have been happier with that than what we got.
The brilliance of it was, without supernatural intervention Dean (and Sam) were just people who could be easily killed by any run-of-the-mill monster.
@@JasonON I get that, but there was a better way to do it.
@@jakerobinson9475 you wanted a more noble sacrifice as opposed to a 'no one is protecting you' death.
However, the death Dean got (presumably) showed Sam that they're not semi-immortal anymore and that he needed to live life to the fullest.
At first, I felt like you do, but then I realized the maturity of Dean's death. It showcased that, in spite of all their power-ups over the years, they are just men (and Sam needed to be aware of that moving forward). If Dean had died in a noble sacrifice, Sam might have become reckless and followed him soon after instead of (presumably) marrying and having a son of his own.
@@JasonON I would agree if this ending was used for S2-3. I recently watched the first and last episodes back to back, and the ending works a bit better.
But the problem is that this was used for S15, where a big part of Dean’s arc was his insecurity and fear that he was nothing more than a broken man only good to be a killer and destined to die because of a monster. This ending is something Chuck might have written, full of angst and tragedy.
Inherit the Earth is a much better ending, where Sam and Dean reject the roles Chuck created them to be, outsmarted him instead of killing him, and are free to live any life they wanted.
Also side note, this ending also undermines Jack’s arc. His whole thing was building him up to be a good God, but he’s basically just as apathetic and uncaring as Chuck, who specifically created monsters to make the story more entertaining. Why would Jack keep the monsters around?
Edit: Second problem is that it undermines Sam’s story as well. We had 15 seasons showing that Sam and Dean had an unhealthy co-dependent relationship where they can’t live without each other. Sam naming his son after Dean and have all the montage scenes focus on that might have worked back in S2-3, but in S15 it makes it seem like he found a replacement for Dean and just spent the rest of his life waiting to be reunited with Dean instead of living life to the fullest.
I respect that you enjoyed this ending and I’m glad it worked for you, but I can never get past these issues.
@@JasonON The entire ''plot armor'' arc was terrible! Show handwaved all the hard earned skills, experience and wits of our characters by saying it was secretly God that prevented people from killing them all this time.
To the point they couldnt pick a damned lock!
The best middleground was earlier into the show where both Dean and Sam needed to be vessels for two archangels so Heavens wouldnt let them stay dead despite how many times they died or came close to dying. That was a good compromise. You still had your characters being capable, but also had a reason on how on earth they managed to beat some of the villains that was way out of their league.
I honestly thought the second to last episode _was_ the last episode. It was almost perfect, they literally ride off into the sunset having achieved relative world peace. Took me months to figure out there was one more and, oh boy. Wish I never watched it.
Same! We went on a year thinking we saw the finale! Honestly we half checked out last two seasons but still loved the show. We heard a podcast talking Dean cues and are like what? It might of been 18 months we didn’t know 😂
That's exactly how I felt as well
I still feel it was so pointless an episode... They could have ended it at the second-last episode and then had an epilogue after the credits showing Sam and Dean's meeting in Heaven with some flashes of their lives since, or something. They never needed to actually let Dean's nihilism win...
@@bakaichigo Their lives could never have been any other way. Dean is _the_ hero, he's the archetype given form, he would never stop hunting unless he was forced or he was dead, and Sam would never leave Dean alone after all they've been through. Sam's character has repeatedly been shown to be one who will sacrifice the life he wants to protect his loved ones. I didn't love the ending, but honestly it's one of the only ways for these characters' stories to play out. They could have just ended it with a ride in Baby with a song playing, but they chose to follow the story through to the end, and that's really the only way to give Sam his happy ending. Dean was never going to get a happy ending on Earth, he's only really ever loved two or three women and he watched them all die, he wouldn't have settled down and started a life with some random normal person.
Me too! I feel like that last episode was such a mistake.
I loved the overall idea and feeling of the ending, but Dean being done in by a couple of vamps after all of what he’d been through just seemed a little unbelievable to me. Still, the vibe of those last few scenes were beautiful! One of my absolute favorite shows of all time!
I was struggling to understand the logic in that too until God said that they would lose their power and lick that came with being a part of God’s shoe since the show was his will and the boys while being told this at the time we’re good with those losses, didn’t realize how human and weak it would make them on their exact next mission after achieving free will
@@BruceKraftJr Yeah, it makes even more sense when you look at the episode where god removes their "plot armor" and they have to to go to the casino to get luck. In that episode it showed that without the "plot armor" they where literally normal humans. The Impala broke down (as old cars are supposed to) and Dean got food poisoning from eating at a shitty restaurant. In that state is entirely believable that Dean could get impaled on piece of metal while fighting a vampire because that's the kinda thing that could happen while fighting in a old barn.
Not even vamps a nail ! A nail took out the mighty Dean Winchester I'm still not over it 😅
Could have been a heart attack, sooo... 😂
@@Fenglang1 honestly, with all the pie & cheeseburgers and not being invincible anymore…😂
I was bugged Jack kept the monsters on Earth, when he reset reality.
I couldn't get past, "Why are there still fucking vampires!"
Having Dean die fighting vampires, was cliche.
Jack's reset, should have put Angels in heaven, Demons in Hell, monsters in purgatory, and humans on Earth. Ending the Supernatural on Earth, in their reality.
No Supernatural, no show.
Forcing the guys to live "normal" lives, because there are no Supernatural monsters to hunt.
Dean can still get to Heaven first by a bunch of years.
First complaint about the ending that made sense to me. Jack really should've sent all monsters to purgatory
I think the reason why jack let the monsters live on is that at the point of omnipotence and being all knowing he understood why the monsters were there, why they had to exist.
@@dennispatel3188 Interesting take. I just wish they had explained it a bit more. I still don't know what happened to Eileen..
@@ismaeldomingues41 some intentional loose ends I think maybe for some Supernatural special episode (maybe)
Don't forget...some monsters were good and were actually friends to the boys. For example Benny the vampire,then there was that werewolf skinny dude with twin babies named Sam and Cas. Etc. Eliminating all monsters would have got rid of those ones too and yet they weren't bad and deserved a chance.
I love whe he says at the end "Dude, it's Supernatural, of course we can". thinking about the return of my favorite tv show of all times its an awesome feeling. And when he said that it just gave me hope. HOPE, its a big word with only 4 characters.
I just went to the DC convention this past weekend and Jensen hinted so many times at bringing Supernatural back, I really think he has plans for the future for a revival or something
How he died though, Sam got old and died, they’re whole life played out, bringing them back would undo everything, they’re not bringing it back for that reason
“Hope, in reality, is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.”
― Friedrich Nietzsche
with all of the older shows getting new starts in returns, I am not ruling a Supernatural comeback out.
@@benbishop4983They've both died multiple times throughout the show, wdym how? Anything is possible in the show and while I don't really know what new original things they could come up with (I'm sure they could, I'm just not creative so I can't think), the characters would definitely be able to come back in some form.
Michael Rosenbaum, my favorite Lex. Truly a legend. 2 legends in the room.
Yes 🙌
I'm still in the "it was an awful ending" camp. These characters are near and dear to my heart like so many other fans of the show. I was really ill when I started watching it trying to take my mind off of the hell I was going through. Dean was, to be frank, the hero of the show. He was broken, often lost but always a guy who fought the good fight and never gave up on that fight, or on those he loved or felt a sense of duty to protect. His ending was anticlimactic and unneccasary IMO. I know COVID was happening which threw things off in terms of filming but, honestly, the writers should have just left it as it was in the previous episode with the boys riding off into the sunset in the impala together. Dean was the one, more than anyone else, that I wanted to have a bit of happiness in his life. I hope they come back for another season or more. Supernatural, with the right writers, could have many more stories to tell. They found magic with story of Dean and Sam. That's a rare thing.
I suspect that final episode was written so it would be a complete end of the story. As much as the fans love the show and the characters, I think they tried to make us stop wanting more. Notice I said "tried."
I agree 100%. I always thought Dean was the one character who deserved a happy ending more than anyone else. And that’s the character they decided to give a bullshit death and ending too. I think they dropped the ball there.
I also agree this bad ending was perhaps intentional so people wouldn’t want more. It worked on me. I completely cut off from spn fandom after that. Until very recently when I was made aware about s16 rumours. I was so cutoff I didn’t even know about the Winchester show until now.
But yeah, at the same time that disappointing ending definitely left a fair amount of people wanting more because they wanted them to fix what they had done and write a better ending for Dean. I for one had no hope so I just left.
Well I guess now that I am back, I hope S16 comes true and fixes the mistakes they made, specially Dean’s ending if they aren’t gonna fix anything else.
@@LegendaryTalesandTrailsI agree but i have mixed feelings. I actuallt just ended the show 2 days ago after 10 years since i first started watching. and it felt like i went through rhe 5 stages of grief. I liked it but i wanted more. but at the sametime i just dont know how they can made another season with an ending like that. Dean died doing things he wanted. He went down with a fight. and Sam died the way he AND dean wanted for him, a normal life, a child and wife died at old age. and Jack made things for the better as the new god Cas is out of the empty helping him. Everyone now at peace. the only way i can think of starting a new season now, starts with Dean sam's son and i think his name is dean because the clothes his son was wearing as a baby said "dean" on it. So sams son finds out about everything his dad and uncle did, and continues the family business, later bring back Sam and Dean for another adventure. maybe..
@@caribarber so crazy to find someone in same situation as me lol I watched this show for 4 seasons when it first aired and then literally did not watch it for the next 10 plus years because of a variety of reasons. I kept thinking I'll catch up because I didn't think it would last more than MAYBE 6 seasons!!! I am back to watching season 4, but I am already looking at all the spoilers and already watched the series finale lol. I agree with you in that I would have liked seeing them ride off into the sunset but I don't think that Dean would ever have stopped hunting. This way Sam could live his life and Dean was resting in heaven free from all his torment on earth. Sure is crazy watching this show at 53 when I was about 33? when I first started watching LOL
I just watched the entire show, and stopped at S15 E19. Watching them ride off into the sunset after finally being free and defeating Chuck, I didn't want to watch the next episode lol. I already knew some spoilers about the ending so I decided my watch through was done at episode 19
Man, this show has been with me for years and it was my number 1 for a long time. I remember being nervous about how they would end the show every week when the final season was running. Ever since the ending, I've sort of been feeling confused and bothered by the lack of satisfaction that it could have had. I don't know where to place this show in my mind anymore. But one thing I'm sure about is that this show means a lot to me and I will always love it.
Same bruh, this show raised me since I was 15 (I'm 31 now) and I felt so saddened and let down after the finale, and we have to admit, this show made us run for our money, but the finale was the biggest let down of them all.
@FlyingMonkies325 Noboby gives a shit about Cas.
He was just a punchline
I felt the same it just really put me off but i really wasn't seeing things properly either because i was so caught in the hype. Try ending it after season 10 it ends on a cliff hanger but you're still left happy and it's been fun and quite better quality since season 7, i mean the special effects were great in season 10 i couldn't ask for a better way to do things it was pretty cinematic.
When you're ready to come back the best thing to do is watch supernatural slowly and work out which seasons and episodes you like and don't like and how much you want to skip especially in seasons 4 and 5. For me i hate the god/lucifer/apocalypse story arcs so i'm skipping as much of that as possible.
Then as you're watching you'll figure out what can make you feel more passionate about supernatural again, for me it was the episode "As Time Goes By" that was so well done because of the better quality and i'm a lot more interested in the Men Of Letters side of things which they totally left behind from season 11 onwards apart from sam and dean mentioning it a few times to solve cases.
Btw they change quite a few things just as a means to work up to some sort of ending so it's no wonder so many people are confused because j2m was asked if they want to end it before filming season 11 and honestly everything from season 11 onwards just felt like they were planning at any moment to end the show, which we now know why because the cw were going under and making plans to sell and season 15 had to be the last because they had to cancel a lot of shows including supernatural, and it's a shocker they were worth anything because they didn't make a profit on anything they made it was always warner bros funding it.
They start to change things a little bit from season 8 and you realize one of the things they changed is how their impala was somehow already the family car like because Henry Winchester broke into it saying it was the family car but it was John who bought the car when in 1964 who then Dean convinced him to buy it when he was sent back in time. All the other things they changed from season 11 onwards it just didn't match up to anything beforehand. So the cw were planning to end things since season 9 or 10 at least we just didn't see it.
Damn, Jensen's version where Dean stumbles on the rest of his life alone without Sam or any other family is dark! 😳
It's the season 5 ending of the show, where I stopped watching the show, and frankly kind of my preferred end point. It's dark but Kripke ended it in a place that made sense. Sam the martyr, Dean has a new young family.
I mean, that's literally what Sam does
@@christiecakes014 Yes, but I think Sam is better equipped to do that, especially at this point, than Dean would be. Especially as early as season 5
@@jaycievictory8461 idk I didn't exactly get "healthy coping" vibes from Sam during the final montage, but either way it's so hard to think how the story would've continued with so many more factors that I feel the writers didn't/couldn't include (namely all the friends Dean and Sam still had that I don't think would allow either of the brothers to isolate themselves).
@@jaycievictory8461 Sam's lost pretty much everyone he cared about in the last year, he really shouldn't be able to cope with anything after losing Dean too.
You can tell the character meant alot to him, he mentions the character as "me" or "we"
He declined the role of Hawkeye in the MCU because of his loyalty to Dean and the show.
Supernatural 1-5 is the real story, if it ended there it would’ve gone down as the best horror/sci fi show of all time. Only watched the other seasons because I was a big fan growing up! Glad Jared & Jensen got paid for 10 more years lol
I will watch the 5 season to see what you mean.
@@judyroberts1710 won’t regret it, I love to rewatch it, keeps getting better too
I never understand why people wanted it to end with season 5 and I don't think the show would be talked about if it went off the air back in 2010. I think season 11 would've been the right time to wrap it up. Seasons 12-15 were too unfocused.
Bruh they have to bring supernatural back! I loved the show and couldn’t accept the ending! I’m a fucking hell of a fan, I remember seeing the first episode after SmallVille… every week I’d meet my best friend at his house after school after that to see each episode. 30 years now and I can’t remember watching and loving another show like SUPERNATURAL.
I always felt that there were two endings. The second to last episode was pretty much a finale of its own with Sam and Dean driving off into the sunset. It felt like they were leaving it up to the fans to imagine how things go from there. Then you have the last episode which is a more final in its approach in which it left little to nothing for the fans to imagine.
Personally between the two I like the sunset ending. It felt appropriate for the show since sam and dean always felt like modern day cowboys. Plus knowing dean I felt he would like getting a Last Crusade sort of ending.
Well said. 👍
Truth is, not a joke. Me and my girlfriend watched thinking 19 was the last episode! We didn’t realize there was one more till a year Peter listening to this podcast… not a joke
Agreed
Conceptually I feel like the ending really fits, but the big issue with it was the execution. I think even people who liked the ending can point out issues with the execution, and a lot of people who didn't like the ending probably would have taken it better had it been executed properly. I feel like I speak for most fans when I say that I wish that the show would have been postponed if it meant that they could have released a polished product instead of what we got.
You stole the thought right out of my head! I tried to comment something to this sentiment but you worded it perfectly! The execution was fucking crap point blank period….. I would have happily and patiently waited a few years if I had to, if it meant they could do the boys justice.
I had been discussing this with my gf who's also a fan for months after the ending. The execution was a big problem. If it weren't for the pandemic, they could have brought tons and tons of characters back. Donna, Jody and the girls, Garth, other hunters who would come for Dean's funeral instead of being just Sam and the dog. Characters that were mentioned by name from Bobby when he met Dean in Heaven: John, Mary, Charlie, Kevin, Rufus, Cas, Jack, everybody else in between. The actors obviously couldn't participate because of Covid, so, if they had delayed the ending a little more, I think they could have brought back all these characters for a short cameo. That might've sat better with fans.
What bothers me is that they had a lot of extra time to really work on a perfect episode. The limitations of the pandemic surely put a damper on the cameos - but again, they had MONTHS to adjust and even write a new script and ending, instead of trying to rework one around what they didn't have.
The show started with just the brothers - so why not an ending episode with just them and no cameos? A simple 2 hour clip show, where Dean and Sam just look back on what's happened and remember those that they lost and the adventures they've had. End with them getting a new lead on a case and heading off to do what they do, hunt. Or even fancy it up with their finding something in their dad's journal that they overlooked or never understood before, one last puzzle to be unlocked and head off on into the sunset on that clue. Either one keeps the boys out hunting and open to future movies.
Or they could have just ended the show at Dean's funeral. The whole Sam's life after Dean portion was just terribly done and I think it's what really hurt the episode. That would have worked better as a really quick clip montage - Sam at a desk in Law School, Sam graduating, Sam in court, Sam getting married, Sam holding his son (who is NOT named Dean), Sam retiring, Sam dying, then the same final scene. We didn't need any dialogue, just classic Supernatural music until Dean says, Hi Sam.
They should have used 4/5 of an episode on Sam franticly trying to save his brother by supernatural means, while Dean fought to survive in a hospital, full on Grey's anatomy style, surgery and shit. Heartfelt goodbye. Then quick montage of Sam living his life and then the heaven thing. The way it went down was just boring and anti climatic. Off course he had to die and off course he had to be taken out by something insignificant, but he was a fighter and that death scene was so wrong for him.
@@alexandrosvlachadamis5318 Exactly! I didn't realize it happened because of the pandemic but I guess that kind of makes sense. I thought the way Dean died was humanizing, and I was ok with that. I thought their concept for Sam's life after Dean died, made sense, except they stripped all of the personalness out of it. Like, they have a friend who's god and brings everyone back except their friends? Or if they get brought back they're never seen or mentioned? Like, bring back Sam's girlfriend (blanking on the name), have her get pregnant so they give up hunting and spend their lives together, sneaking off from time to time to help Jody but otherwise growing old and making sure their kids never get involved in that world the way he never wanted to be. They missed all the little details.
The problem with this ending for me, is that the brothers never actually got their free will. Dean was very open about not wanting to be a puppet and to be able to make his own choices knowing they were really his own. The concept of free will gave his life meaning in a sense. From the beginning of the show Dean made it very clear he always expected to die a hunter, he'd never get out of that life. And he did, he died during a hunt and Sam went on to have a family and live a normal life like he'd wanted to throughout the entire show. For me, it just shows little growth from the beginning of the series. So, essentially throughout the entirety of the series they were telling us exactly how it'd all end. I just hate the fact that it feels so linear and is basically ignoring all the developments that were made.
Yeah but Sam was never really happy hunting unless he was with Dean and Sean never liked having a family because when Sam came back from hell without his soul Dean immediately started ignoring Lisa and Ben and hunting with Sam and the cambells
Yes, it was all the potential development that the ending essentially voided out. Sam lived a life and Dean died on a hunt, and if the series never occurred...Sam would have lived a life and Dean would have likely died on a hunt. So essentially there was NO POINT to the series because there was no growth between the beginning and end. I wasn't even really invested in the show by the end, and even I felt like it was a shitty ending.
@@LittleHobbit13 That's what death really is like.
No matter how you grow, no matter where you end up. The reality is, everything comes to an end eventually. So you must ask yourself: Was it worth it in the end? Was it all pointless? I mean really, you can argue that, yes, they did experience growth and in the end, they technically went out in the way they wanted.
Sometimes it's just time to bring everything to an end, and not all endings are perfect or even great. But, let's be fair though, the ending of Supernatural was emotional.
Your explanation is exactly why the ending made sense to me. The 15 years of the show was their journey but one thing never changed: Dean would hunt to the end and Sam wouldn't stop unless he had sufficient reason to. That reason was the (permanent) loss of Dean. And he got to appreciate a win of the ultimate battle- free will, no matter how short he got to enjoy it. My wife thinks the episode before it should've been the ending but I thought the last episode was necessary.
@@mustangguy8981 The boys did get the life they wanted together and separate.
I've watched supernatural from beginning to end like 3 or 4 times. still love it. I don't think there is another show like this that shows true brothers being emotional while being bad ass at the same time. and you dont need to be blood to be a brother. the songs especially hit the heart strings.
God damn 3 or 4 times that’s crazy
Get job make money dont waste time and life of on these things
@@tanmaysonawane4618 trust I haven't waist my life on this show. For you to think I have cuz I watched a show 3 or 4 times. Thats crazy. I'm sorry you even think like that.
@@gandomlee if u watch that show for 3 or 4 times that is like 57 days of content
@@tanmaysonawane4618 ok. 57 days this show has been going on since 2005. You can repeat seasons so many times. An episode a day can take 1 year and it's only 44 mins an episode. Itll take 3 years to watch it over 3 times. No I'm not saying I just watch 1 episode a day but you think I Bing watch a show in 57 days (57 DAYS) thats wild. and the fact you told me get a job make money cuz I watched it multiple times. And im wasting my life. But hey its your opinion.
I loved the ending, and cried for days after I finished it. I was a teenager when the show started. I remember the trailer and first episode when it aired. I’ve grown up with the show so the ending was bitter sweet. I do wish Dean and Sam got to have their vacation in the end.
I had always imagined sam and dean would some how find a way out of the life,like an alter world where they were both able to settle down on a ranch raising there families together and drinking there beer and just remembering the demon hunting days as they watch the sunset.
I just really feel dean and Sam both deserve the lives they couldn’t have.
They did get to have them in heaven tho (:
Supernatural is the one show, that I've never missed an episode of. It was sad to see it end.
I love how they said, of course we can bring dean back, it’s supernatural lmao very true
also they never really stay dead lol
@@Chaosqueen4765 Doctor Who fans: better wait 17 years then.
I loved this show so much. Never missed one episode
I love how everyone in the comments is so positive and supportive!
The universe creation of these characters is just wow.
Honestly, the final episode actually had me forgiving all of the shows shortcomings throughout the years. I mean, Dean dying on a hunt (like he always said he wanted to go) and Sam getting to live his normal life and constantly reminded of the road he took with his brother and finally dying hearing the exact same words he spoke to Dean and they both end up in a new heaven with everyone they lost.... I was seriously moved
Agreed, most people seem to not be on board with that ending, but I can't think of a better way to end it.
The last few seasons, I felt that the only way the show could end is with them dying. It felt like everything they did made no difference. Like evil would always exist.
It is probably what that guy said to Jensen. Dean always said that there is only one way this ends. Dying on the hunt. Dean wanted to just die on his hunt. He was done. He faced and replaced GOD for christs sakes (pun intended). Dean was the one who got to live out his life for a bit before Sam came back from the dead and it was Sams turn to do the same. The show ended great in my opinion.
Sam deserved to get back to his life and live long and happy after he was taken from it in the pilot. So it seemed apt so not sure why Jensen thought the opposite
Totally agreeeee!! People don't understand this.
For me I absolutely hated Dean dying in the finale. And the reason for that is simple. The Winchester's spend the whole show saying how hunters lives end bad and bloody. I felt they had a chance to be different with the ending. Go in the opposite direction of what was the usual for the show. Instead, they killed off Dean the minute they defeated Chuck and were finally free. To me, that made zero sense because as a viewer that watched from the beginning, I wanted them to get a happy ending. Maybe reuniting the Winchester family with John, Mary, Dean and Sam since we never got to see the entire family together aside from the Lebanon episode. To this day, anytime I rewatch the final season I cut off at the next to last episode because I felt it was a much better ending. At least doing a montage of the show with them riding off in the Impala was fitting because it left the door open to have them bring the show back later. Needless to say I was greatly disappointed with how the final season and ending played out.
Best ending would have been, dean hunting and sam has a family. I feel dean is happy when he is hunting
theres no way to give them a real happy ending theres ALWAYS gonna be monsters to fight and how many times had Dean said hes NEVER GONNA STOP BE A HUNTER so hes set in how he dies Sam already quit once so yeah hed stop again if Dean died so this ending or them goin out Butch n Sundance style were the ONLY 2 endings for the show my opinion Butch n Sundance would have been way better...they got the happiest ending they possibly could have
You are one of the few though. As someone who's been there since the very beginning myself, literally everyone in my fandom group wanted them both to die to finally be at peace.
yeah i also think it was a little rushed cuz of covid but like dude till this day it gets me mad cuz it really could have ended so much better and left a cliff hanger obv anything can happen in supernatural but still horrible ending and it’s sad cuz that last season wasn’t that good
What I believe they did with the final episode is made them completely normal people. Before this, their life was controlled by Chuck so they obviously couldn't die (or at least couldn't die for good) but after Chuck's death no one was manipulating them which is why Dean had such a regular death by a rando vamp when he killed beings nowhere close to that. I didn't like the ending either, with the time speed after Dean's death. Like there were other characters as well like Jody, Claire etc
Dean's death was what Dean always wanted in a sense. To go out hunting and fighting. It full circled the show in that sense. Sam finally got to have the life he wanted it was perfect in tune with the show and the characters. No matter how much growth they had as people, in the end, Dean always expected to leave the world during a hunt. It was perfect symmetry from that perspective. He was a hunter through and through. There was no happily ever after for him, even if he deserved it or even if he wanted it. That was the beauty and tragedy of Dean Winchester.
Exactly! People don't understand this😭
@@littlelauli4487 I think some fans let their own feelings and attachments toward the characters take away from the characters themselves. Nothing at all in Dean's development and growth as a person was going to change his overlying destiny. Even he knew that, which is why things with Lisa eventually had to end.
I'm 31 now, and I started watching Supernatural on Day 1. for half of my life, that show had been something to look forward to. I've dealt with mental health issues my whole life, and sometimes, that weekly Supernatural episode felt like the ONLY thing I had to look forward to week by week. When it ended, I felt lost. I really didn't know what to do with myself after that.
But, I knew from pretty early on that it was going to end in death. It had to. The brothers were never going to grow old together in the comfortable "apple pie" life. One of them was going to die in the end, and I always knew that it would be Dean. So, I was okay with the ending. I mean, dying on a routine vampire hunt was pretty dumb, I will admit, but he was going to die, I knew that all along.
I've since grown as a person and learned better self-management strategies, but thank you, Jared and Jensen, for giving me something to look forward to every week for 15 years.
Butch and Sundance was the ending I always kind of expected. I really feel like Jensen still doesn't like the ending. I mean he was talking about them coming back to do a continuation for the show before the show was even finished. I've heard him on lots of different things and I really feel like one day he is going to do something to get Sam and Dean back for one more run. The ending to the show might have felt better if it didn't have all the obvious constraints on it like it did.
I agree. They should've gone out in a blaze of glory. And, no, Jensen doesn't like that rushed trash they call a finale.
He certainly doesn't. The finale script says "6 months" (after ep 19) & in one of the recent cons Jensen said the brothers lived for years after that. Poor guy's basically changing the canon to deal with that finale crap.
I have that feeling the main Supernatural series is not the last of it, even with the finale we had. Especially since this show was supposed to end seasons earlier and continued. It's all about what they want to do honestly. Never say never, I've seen things come back when I never thought I'd see, so it's entirely possible for a continuation at some point.
HBO should have picked up the show after season 5 and made it a more rated r type would have skyrocketed the show more than what it was I loved the show I rewatch the show all the time
It's not the event of dying that was bad, but it's how he died.
Countless times, these guys had been strapped, tied, burned, maniupukatrd, possessed, etc. However, a random thing is what got him. A freak accident...
Sure, I know it referenced on how he would like to die on a job gone wrong, but they took that concept too far.
I think the point was that without Chuck, their "plot armor" was gone. Think about how many times some accident like that should have happened, but never did.
@@sillyslicker1 think about the thousands of times they cut their palms to offer a blood sacrifice, yet they don't have any scars.
They were low level super heros, that power ended with the show.
@@sillyslicker1 I get it. There is logical reasoning for it all. Doesn't mean it was a satisfying ending.
@@GeomancerHT Yep - their palms should have been seriously fucked up. They really were like a more realistic version of superheroes. I wasn't happy when I first watched the finale, but I now think that gives you an interesting lens to view the show through.
@@jonp6201 Yeah, I know 😕Looking back, I think it made sense for Dean, even if it's not the ending we hoped for. He just seemed more and more beat down with every season, drinking more by the episode, and you could just see how tired he was. I think Cass dying, seemingly for good, was the final straw.
I think Jensen's first gut feeling was the correct one. The show ended in the worst way possible because it didn't make sense after 15 years of "character development". In season 5, it made sense, Kripke's idea made sense, the arc made sense. After 15 years of poorly written storytelling without a clear path... That ending was shit.
Ye Supernatural first 5 seasons awesome. Seasons 6-7 were Ok everything else after that was bad same thing just different bad guy each season. And their constant depression was so hard to watch. Should of ended after season 5.
Couldnt agree more i hated it what a slap in the face to jenson and all the fans they beat god lucifer and endless amount of big badass badbuys for dean to be taken out by some lame vampire from seasons ago the last episodr made no sense amd was rushed they should have left it at episodr 19 it would have been perfect ending nobody will ever change my mind dean deserved better and i think jenson will always feel the same about that too
@@nataliepaterson294 yes! Totally agree with everything you said! Very well said. I hate that ending!!!!
@@patriciamayhew6321 i can see why jenson wasnt hapoy about it he may say he found a way to ubderstand it but i still think he hates it as much as us its clear by his face when he talks about it 15 years of him being dean for them to do that they should have ended it at episode 19 it was perfect
For me, it made me angry because, while Dean did have his faults, he really grew as a person throughout the show. Yet he ALWAYS saw that ending for himself. And so because he grew, I thought he deserved way better than what he always saw for himself. It just sucked. It felt like it was done because they KNEW it would piss off the majority. Idk. 🥴
Im currently rewatching. Season 4 and 5 really made a good show a great show. Season six has been rough. But it did give us weekend at bobbys and the episode in the real world which are standouts.
Swan song was the perfect ending to the show. And as much as i loced that i got to enjoy the show for 15 years it never got better than that
I just watched the ending 8 hours ago, and I must say hearing Jensen talk about this now makes me feel better about everything, I'm glad I hadn't watched the last season until now, I'm so relieved now after hearing his opinion... Supernatural is the best show for me!
The wife and I hated the series ending. The episode before that should have been the ending. Kept an open door for possible movies, etc. Would love to see Supernatural come back for a few new seasons and right the wrong.
I keep hoping to hear more about that. I know that I’ve heard a few people involved on the show say that they’d be interested in coming back + making a new couple of seasons. And the CW network is suffering without the show. 👀 it’s supernatural, they could always come back!
"Would love to see Supernatural come back for a few new seasons and right the wrong." To do what though? The show already had a problem of having to one up itself every season with the villain. Where do you go from the literal creator of the universe?
@@tsdobbi well the enemies always seemed to be about who was the most evil more than powerful
I thought the 2nd to last episode was the last one. Then I saw there was one more and I thought maybe it was one of those wrapup episodes where the actors talk. When I saw dean hit the nail I turned it off. The last episode is where jack walks off. To me. Not the greatest ending, but satisfactory.
it was the worst ending ever
I miss Supernatural 😭 can’t believe it’s been two years since it ended.
I've watched the whole series so many times that I think I know all their lines. Lol
As much as I'd love watching the characters continue with their lives, I still enjoy the 15 seasons they had. Jensen and Jared are amongst the greatest actors of all time. It takes great talent to make characters become so realistic that people love them as if they're real people. That's truly remarkable.
@@cynthiamatthewsthere are movie Winchester
Season 5 was peak Supernatural.
Untill they killed Jo and Ellen. But besides that it was amazing
this guy is literally the most beautiful man ive ever seen in my entire life like you cannot hate this guy at all
I don’t get wrapped up emotionally in shows often, but that scene (you know the one) is the first time I’ve actually gone through every stage of grief in a single scene. I was denying it, I was angry at it, I was sad at it, and by the time the scene was wrapping I accepted it. I know that sounds nerdy but I’m just honestly shocked they were able to do that to me in one scene no less.
I very much had issues with Dean dying. Yes he was my favorite but also that is all he ever saw for himself. He couldn’t imagine anything greater except a bitter end. It haunted him. He thought that’s all he could get and that he deserved. But he didn’t. He deserved a happy ending. Not what he got stuck with.
Right? I was waiting season after season to see him resolve at least some of his issues with how he saw him as being nothing more than canon foder. But at the end he died like one? What is the lesson I can get from that?
He ended up in heaven, with his mom and pop and eventually Sam *and baby*.... That was a happy ending!
I agree
Yeah you're right but it's a bit more realistic in the end. You get what you attract. And they still got their happy ending and the scene we wanted to have "the driving into the sunset with the characteristic music of the show". Also Dean death was also a way to get a tour in the new Heaven and meet back with Bobby
Exactly. I also didn’t like the ending for them in Season 5. Because Dean wouldn’t let Sammy go like that.
I was fine with Dean dying in the end, but I hated how it was done and especially who did it. I also really didn't like not knowing what all was repaired or who came back after Jack " fixed" everything.
And then the fact the finale itself never even let us know WHO that woman Sam ended up with was for sure.
Dean makes a badass soldier boy. He’s so perfect for that show.
The one thing missing from the finale was Castiel. Damn, he deserved to be up there in Heaven waiting for Dean with Bobby. They should reshoot that one scene.
nope 👎🏽
Agreed❤
Yup. Castiel not being there was a travesty.
Fan of the show from the beginning and after I mulled over the ending I loved it. Just bummed it happened during Covid so they couldn’t do it exactly how they wanted but they did the characters justice.
Yeah the original ending in heaven was supposed to be everyone at the Roadhouse, they had planned to bring back a ton of characters but Covid restrictions shut all that down. Would be nice if at some point they'd go back and film it so they could add it to the blu-rays or something.
@@bradmiles1984 would have loved to see Crowley at some point
@@monicaberdan8660 Yeah they could of had Jack bring him back from the empty.
@@bradmiles1984 They could of had crowley welcome sam into heaven, Him sacrificing himself to save them got him into heaven even tho he was a demon he made up for all his sin
@@QrazedGaming Would of been an interesting way to go. Could of had him at the spot with Bobby when Dean first got there. Would be funny to think of those two sharing drinks waiting for Dean to show up.
My problem with the ending is yes of course killing Dean. Making it his “happy/peaceful” ending bothers me. A show with a fandom so intertwined with mental illness and then to have the suicidal character accept death just seems wrong to me. Seems like it is sending the wrong message. Always keep fighting, gets lost when you just accept death and a dumb way to die at that. The other issue is that Dean and Castiel never truly confront each other and conclude the loose end of Castiel’s confession. The finale kinda acts like he didn’t exist, and that he wasn’t a main character. For a show about how family doesn’t end in blood and with such a large beloved cast over many seasons, it is sad and off to me that the finale was all about the boys. Almost like the finale was written for the first or second season, but not after 15 years of characters and character growth.
Then, you're focused way too much on what on a small problem out of a greater whole. The tree in the forest if you will.
For argument's sake, we can call his death petty but the meaning behind it is not. Dean represents the SPN show while Sam represents the fandom in this scene. It's hard for the latter to let the former go but this was bound to eventually happen one way or the other. Sam (fandom) doesn't want Dean (the show) to leave but Dean assures him that's he'll be fine and that although he is finished, he continues to live on in Sam's heart (similar to how this show and everything it has brought us as fans will continue to live on through us). Sam lives on and life still continues for him and he builds that life up, which is how we as the fandom should move forward.
Thus, we will carry on. At least, that's how I perceived it, which is why I feel happy and grateful for this epilogue of a finale.
As for Castiel being a main character....he wasn't exactly the main character. He's an extremely important character, but the focus of this entire story was always that of the two brothers and to have the series end on them was perfectly fitting.
@@TotallyAwesome420
You have some interesting points. The symbolism of the fandom and the show with Sam and Dean definitely fits. But should story telling be based on symbolism alone. Can you justify ruining Dean’s character arc. Going from yearning for death even accepting it, to wanting to live. Is undoing his and Sam’s character development worth symbolism. Depends I guess on your perspective. Of course, it’s about entertainment and the question of story. For me, the final episode had a lot of flaws in its story telling. (Not to mention sloppy production: wig and same song twice. I mean come on…) Killing Dean with a nail is not entertaining nor satisfying. A matter of personal opinion for sure. On one hand, it could be a good ending, if it was for one of the earlier seasons, the problem for me is that it wasn’t. This was a ending for a 15 season show with numerous beloved characters, so to write a shakespearian tragedy like ending feels lazy. The dark moody tone shifted with time, and so did the characters. Endings are hard for sure, every show ending feels like a lost friend, but having a confession and a dumb death just miss the mark for me. As for Castiel, it wasn’t that the final episode wasn’t about him. Because yes, the boys are the main storyline. However, to have Castiel have his big moment with no response is unsatisfying. Dean goes from begging god to bring back Cas, to not even missing him. That leaves Dean’s arc incomplete.
Killing a character off isn’t necessarily a bad ending. Iron man’s death is the perfect tie to his character arc. From selfish to selfless. On the other hand, there is a reason Captain American isn’t killed, because for his character arc to be completed, he has to give up war for the woman he loves. (Very oversimplified arc descriptions) As for the boys, the character arcs are not completed with the final episode. There is no growth, only an ending, which could have happened season 1 episode two, without any character development.
The finale almost killed me. Supernatural saved my life after my brother's sudden death and there are 326 episodes of "go down swinging" and "always keep fighting" only for it to end with, "Give up and die. Nothing is worth living for." It took me almost a year to get out of the suicidal despair that plunged me into.
It felt like a huge betrayal, especially when they repeatedly promised not to end it in defeat and then picked the ultimate defeat of despair and suicide (assisted by Sam, who had once said, "I'm not gonna let you die, period.") I still fall into despair when I see screen shots from the finale. On my worst days, I used to tell myself, "Dean Winchester wouldn't give up." Then he did. For no reason.
@@helenwood8482 That sounds rough. I Hope you are doing better now. I have totally been there, heck still am I guess. Hope you know that Jensen hates the finale too, because it doesn’t fall in line with Dean as a character. So you just know that Dean would never give up and neither should you. Always keep fighting, because someone in the world needs you, someone in this world could be impacted by you, and because there is hope for better days ahead. You are loved, important and of value, don’t forget that. You are also not alone, even when it feels like it.
These videos are the true ending of supernatural for me, where the boys get married and have kids.
ruclips.net/video/-g4GvWCbl_8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/2vu46Oc51-I/видео.html
Hope it helps, just scrub the original out of your head. Honestly you couldn’t pay me to watch the finale again,(except maybe the beginning with the dog.)
_"the loose end of Castiel’s confession"_
Lol loose end. That's a gay.
In my opinion I thought the main problem with the ending was clear.
Sam always wanted "the American pie life", but that was yeeeaaaaars ago. Supernatural came too far along to come full circle on that; if Supernatural had ended much, much earlier, then it would have been a good send-off for both characters.
When you have Dean and Sam, struggling to fight vampires, ghosts and other creatures, then it feels reasonable. Once the story transcends to literally fighting angels and God, then it feels a bit anticlimatic to revert to a humble lifestyle; a bigger payoff was needed for such an epic journey. A nod back to a few sentences about wanting a normal life in the earlier seasons just didn't cut it (for me).
Not to mention the whole wanting a normal life (Sam) and dying on a hunt (Dean) quotes were perfectly resolved with the S5 ending. Sam sacrificing himself was the only way to beat Lucifer and Dean moves on and lives a normal life with a family and learns to love and be loved. The S15 ending is an inverted parody in comparison.
Yes too much had happened they should've forgot the god story arc, found something else to build up to, or maybe didn't make god so twisted and evil, and then kept with sam and dean carrying on the men of letters legacy which i mean they were living in one of their bunkers. They just shut it down in the end and made them leave like it meant nothing but sam wanted to be a man of letters.
They didn't have to carry on with the hunter lifestyle they could've escaped it by rebuilding the men of letters and leaving it up to others who wanted to they had done that job enough. There was still dangers and they would've been in danger still occasionally and they would've had to of helped train the men of letters and still deal with demons and other supernatural creatures, but they wouldn't be going on constant cases anymore always with the possibility it might be their last and they wouldn't be kicking up who knows what else from the shadows lol they caused too many problems too. Men of letters was right there the perfect alternative to help them escape and not have to fight anymore.
Warner bros probably knew that though but it would've been the right way to end it. As for Castiel we were always going to say goodbye to him because he was the one in love with Dean but he was never in love with Cas, so they got it right when they got Cas to say it's something they can never have but he had bigger duties to attend to in heaven.
The best thing about Supernatural is that I'm 100% sure they'll be back. Death is not the end
‘Carry on Wayward Son’ was the theme song of the show, and Sam was always the “wayward son”. It made sense enough
I love SUPERNATURAL every season every episode. All the characters and so appreciative they kept going as long as they did . There is no right way or wrong way to end the show . Just the magnificent job everyone did. Ty for all your hard work everyone involved.
Watched and loved since day one and thought incredulously bewildered as I watched the last episode, "They really aren't going to end it this way, right?". The episode before the last one would have excitedly left open the door for more. The last one left me with an, "I don't give a s##t anymore" Now if I hear about a movie adaption or other related project, I'm apathetic. Though nowhere as bad as Dexter's or Game of thrones finales. It sits high in unsatisfying endings. Such a ball drop...
I really really hope they decide to make some kind of movie I mean Jack's got the power to bring them back for whatever reason.
Love that Fright Night poster behind Jensen!
I’ve never watched an episode that I hated and thought was amazingly beautiful and perfect. I was so sick with Covid when I watched it and I just sobbed through it all. The way Sam tells Dean it’s ok broke my heart. I lost my mom when I was 23, she had cancer and we had life support removed and I held her hand for 6 hours. I finally told her it’s ok mom, go, rest, it’s ok, you’ve done enough. And she passed a few minutes later. The hardest thing I’ve ever said to anyone and they way Jared and Jensen did that scene was nothing short of amazing. I’m so angry that they don’t get the credit they deserve for their acting. A lot of people think it’s about hot guys but they just don’t get the depth of the story this shows tells.
Absolutely loved supernatural, hated the last episode
The last 10 seasons sucked. They needed to end on season 5
@@rmmm6725 I think it should have ended season 10
@@rmmm6725 Haha yep. The season 5 finale is one of the finest pieces of TV ever. To this day I can't believe they did a season of that senseless Leviathan trash.
I loved the ending. Very poetic I thought. But to each their own.
@@dakotamanns2644 I agree with you.
It's also a great way to end "Lucifer".
Please come back!!!
For me personally there are two things that don’t sit well with me, one in an earlier episode we learn that Dean and Sam were able to overcome incredible odds because of some mystical luck that they have partly thanks to God. Secondly for Dean to die the way he did was incredibly unlucky but also a death not fit for a hero. Go out guns a blazing or sacrificing yourself to save lives but to get skewered by some vampire minion was just wrong.
That's how realistic it is, he died as a hunter and with no luck, he was unlucky, he knew he was gonna die
@@darkmeme2289 Dean wasn’t a hunter, he was a hero. And hero’s deserve a hero’s end.
@@crobinson2624 yeh ur hero but in reality he's just a mere normal hunter like any normal hunter
Not to mention that God turned against them, so that luck was taken away and they still won against God himself. So even when folks say "well Chuck wasn't protecting them this time", it doesn't make sense because they beat Chuck without his protection. They were better hunters without the protection because they beat the ultimate monster without it - the same monster who was protecting them before. A random vampire just makes no sense.
I don't see how he didn't die a hero's death. You don't have to be actively saving someone. So many people would die if vampires weren't killed. He DID go out guns a blazing. He DID sacrifice himself - in fact, his entire life - to save lives. The fact that they fight them at all makes them heroes. If they die fighting them, they die a hero's death.
I re-watched that final scene (here) the other day.... and I'm already struck by how much COVID "altered" the way SPN ended. (or should have). The scene on the bridge was nice, but when you remember how they had to film it during lockdown during a pandemic, you start to think of all the "what if" possibilities that could have been.
Supernatural was probably one of the best if not THEE best tv series in my lifetime
Bring the show back make a way that didn't die
This biggest issue was not Dean dying, but how he died vs something that he would kill in his sleep. If it was something less common, it wouldn't have been as a big of a deal
By S15 we know a few things about Dean, we know he basically can't stop hunting, he just won't, and to me, that says the only way this show ends peacefully for Dean is when he no longer has to do that, i.e, once he dies and gets to go to heaven, since like season 6, the only ending I saw for Dean was death, and I'm happy it did end that way, because after 20+ years of non-stop hunting, trying to stop and never really being able to, I wouldn't have believed Dean Winchester would just stop hunting
Dean knew he'd die in a hunt.
Meanwhile Sam was the one trying to lead a normal life; Dean gets him from college in episode 1
@@5Demona5 I agree sam was living a normal life before and after he could stop hunting but Dean never really could so in the end sam grew to be an old man and with this being done in a pandemic Sam dies in a hospital bed in his home an old man pretty much on life support and I think his son being there for him at the end was beautiful so let me give you my perspective from my personal view I had a friend who was a marine who passed away he loved dean's character he would say your castel I'm Dean and my smart brother (my other best friend /his real bio bro was Sam so when Dean Cass and Sam died and pretty much reunited in heaven I mean Bobby does say Cass is back im sure he would check in at some point. I cried. At the end sorry about my rant btw hope you are having an amazing day
@@ronniecannon8283 That's sweet 💙
I completely agree, my problem with the ending isn't actually about Dean. It's the lack of detail or personalness with Sams ending. None of their friends are even mentioned, he goes on living alone when he should have a support system. If God brought everyone back, then where are all the people who died in the final confrontation? The lack of detail and care in Sams life is my biggest issue with the finale.
@@danielfaubert1903 All of their friends are mentioned, they're all in heaven, the ending with Sam was super rushed, Deans was basically perfect
I love this show, Im not usually one to re-watch shows...but I put this show on every night around bedtime.
I love the show with Dean ( Jensen) The Winchesters - I hope you do a interview with the cast. That is the best thing on tv right now- love it so much. Love how the show is going. I love Mary and john characters. When i heard of it I was so excited- i knew it was going be great.
I hated how they wrote the finale but Sam and Dean in heaven… priceless.
I get sad when I think about the potential ending we could've had if covid hadn't ruined things but I think it was one of the best endings we had for the situation the team were in. I've made peace with it although I can't help but think about how it could've ended otherwise
Honestly as a fan no matter what ending we would of had I would have had an issue because 14 years and your parting ways , it just sucked , but the ending got me , dean going first being a big brother myself then knowing my lil bro had a full happy life n knowing the other way I would have blamed myself n had a miserable existence so hated that it ended but was cool with it my opinion
Facts
I discovered supernatural in 2021 And watched the whole series. It’s bigger than it’s ever been. Look for a comeback I think just my opinion
I love him as Red Hood too. Nailed tf out of both characters
I was 15 in high school when that show started. Watching it now, seeing those times, style and music again makes me tear up... seems like a different better world, which I fucking miss
GAYYYYYYYYYYYY
@@MasonGrant0704 nice to meet you
Dean dying makes a lot more sense to me. We already saw him try to live that life in Season 6 and it worked out for the most part, but there was that desire to keep hunting, to have a purpose beyond the simple life. He was born and raised to be a hunter. Sam was the opposite, as he was more accustomed to living such a normal life. My real issue with the ending is that it feels rushed and anticlimactic in a way that feels too small for a show so big. It could have been done far better.
Exactly! Bravo 👏
I think it needed to be small though. At it's core they were hunters. This is the most sam and dean way for it to happen. This is how dean always saw it would happen, he knew this was his end. He didn't know when but he knew
Completely agree! I still loved the ending though!
Season 5 was the definite ending of SN for me. I just imagine every season that follows is the illusion in Sam's mind to create a safe space inside the cage.
Lol I like that, I gave up watching somewhere around season 10
I must of stopped watching before season 5 then cause I don’t remember that.
The show ran for ages. So I guess they can be proud of that and so many people still love it.
Personally I was put off when it tried to be something else with the god and devil stuff. They should of just kept it to hunting generic demons.
I stopped watching after they killed off Death (Julian Richings) and then replaced him with Billie. I could go on and on about how the original Death dominated every scene; depicting a stoic and enigmatic figure with immense power and knowledge of the universe. Then we had Billie whom came across as nothing but a disgruntled next door neighbour. It all went downhill for me then.
How can you be content with an ending where one of the main characters suffers eternal endless torture and that’s the end of it? I don’t much like Sam but couldnt have handled an end where poor Dean has to live with that knowledge. So both of them end up in Hell really. Neither of them deserved that.
I really like Swan Song but the fact that Jared is such a bad actor ruined it for me since he had to replace Pellegrino as the devil. They built up this great villain that we barely got to see and then we had to live with a climax of Jared’s very unconvincing Lucifer. I get why they had to do it that way, it should always have ended with a showdown between the bros. But i guess I just with someone else had played Sam for the whole series honestly lol.
I strongly disagree, first 11 seasons were pretty great overall. I will agree that 12-15 get sloppy but still some good episodes in the mix.
I was also of both camps.
When I first seen the season finale I was of the mind that "what a terrible way to end Dean as a character" and was upset for a bit but then I remembered a line from the show and this isn't a direct quote but it went something like "there's no more plot armor for you two so when you die you die"......so remembering how Dean can be somewhat reckless at times, how many times he's died, how he always said that is how he would go and the fact that Chuck was no longer around to keep brining them back for his entertainment it made it easier to except that he would die that way even though I still wish it was different
The ending made sense to me. I started watching the show around 2010 and watched it live from there and through all that time we knew there was only one way it could end
The story about the call is just like the insight even for me now, although I’m just the viewer and didn’t read this whole thing. Thanks for the insight, even if it sounds strange 🙌🏻
I’m fine with Dean dying because that’s exactly how he said his story would end I just wish it was by a gun or a blade. I wanted it to be exactly how Dean said “I know how my story ends it’s at the edge of a blade or a barrel of a gun” I wish it would of been like that
Exactly, I thought of that episode as well when he died.
I was ok with the ending, but I really liked the ending after thinking of the OG ending of the Show with Kripkes vision. Its just the reverse. Sam is gone (locked in the Cage) and Dean is the one that has to move on with Lisa and Ben. Obvious, there are some differences, but the overall point is there. It was a tough ending for sure. I cried my eyes out as well.
One of my best friends who was a massive fan of the show. I left at season 5, season 6 and forward never did it for me so i stopped watching. However, my friend who hated season 6 and forward still watch the show because he was loyal to it. However, his problem wasn't that Dean died it was how he died. And I tell you he was soo fucking pissed because Dean was his favorite character.
Yeah. After everything they fought and defeated, to get taken out like that was anticlimactic to me. Though my girlfriend pointed out he died saving some kids, so he went out how he would've wanted.
Same, for me season 5 was the ending
@@cernstormrunner7263 Well when they defeated every big bad season after season they had plot armor from Chuck, once that was gone they were just like any other hunter. How Dean died easily could of happened to any other hunter during a hunt.
That's my problem too. I was expecting Dean to die, but the way they did it was the most stupid way. I think Dabb hates Jensen or something 😅
I guess it makes sense in a way. Previously they were THE Winchesters. After that they're just ordinary hunters just like every other hunters. So it's not really shocking Dean can die that way. A way any other random hunters could have died.
First 3 seasons were so awesome!
Loved every second of the show
I liked the last episode, the way I saw it was, no one was writing their story anymore, so they went head on into a fight with vampires and with no one protecting them anymore, dean just happened to die, like anyone would, yeah it could have been better, but overall it was a good ending.
It was intentionally anticlimactic, which many fail to understand.
I think the ending worked well. Dean was never going to retire, settle down, have kids whereas Sam was always the complete opposite.
Dean did settle down once, but of course, it didn’t work out.
Characters change. Eventually, Sam accepted and appreciated the fact that he’s meant to live the hunting lifestyle.
For me it was the what but the how.
I agree that Dean never would have settled down, I think the way he died was lack luster. They could have had him go out in a blaze of glory, sacrificing himself for Sam one last time.
Nope that was years ago. At some point Sam became more accepting with the hunter lifestyle than Dean. In one episode he talks about it in season 6. And Dean actually liked settling down when Sam died. So i think if they made a twist and killed Sam and left Dean to live life we would’ve been more satisfied as watchers because it shows the show isn’t where it started and characters changed like any stories. But the writers completely ignored the development that is why everyone hated the finale.
Because I was so shocked about tue last episode, I think that is what made it work for me…Jack could always bring back Sam and Dean anytime…
I cannot watch the last episode of SPN ever again (I cried for 2 weeks) but how did ppl think it would end? We had 15 fantastic years
The fact that he described Season 5 Finale to a tee, on how the show shouldve ended.
I think any of 3 ways would’ve made a good ending. Dean spent most of the show a little too ready to make the martyr play because he was so convinced that’s how he was destined to go and Sam wanted more than anything to be able to get out of hunting. The ending we got was seeing the brothers hopes for the future come to pass. However I think it could’ve been just as good had sam passed like dean did and it inspired Dean to live the life Sam wanted in memory of Sam, a wife and family with a normal job that is. I also think it would’ve been nice to see Sam leave the hunting life behind and start a family as he ended up doing while Dean decided to stay in the business, training the occasional new hunter until he was too old and retired to owning a hunter bar where he became a new sort of Ellen for a whole new generation of hunters. I fell that any of these 3 endings could’ve been good choices but my pick for personal favorite is the last one.
Brilliant ending!
That is the perfect ending! ( The last one) Someone hire this guy
Now that Covid is over we should petition to remake the final episode.
Super Jensen ♥️♥️
I was just able to finish this show now. Really sad to see it end. It sounds like Jensen didn’t want to go and would go back if it started up again and it would be completely possible. The snap of someone’s fingers all it all rewinds, the possibilities are endless. Hope to see them again one day soon together. Will miss you boys!
Season 16 idea, Jack actually decides years later to make dean and sam angels , Then they both end up like Castiels role and meet a new hunter (just one) like Garths son or something and they go on hunts with the new hunter but they have castiels powers they can heal and fly (teleport) but because its Garths son hes also a werewolf but hes a hunter and can use his werewolf senses like super strength, Smell etc to help him hunt monsters
2:56 I think the reason they wanted the ending to be like that is because the beginning is a reflection of that just in the beginning, Sam doesn’t get to go out, but he’s learning at college and Dean is a hunter and he comes back to his brother. In the ending, Sam gets to live his whole life and Dean gets to drive his car and spend that little bit of time just waiting on his brother so they can rejoin the family.
Look after 15 years, it’s hard to make an epic ending that can overshadow all that. The ending was sweet and endearing. It brought tears to my eyes, and I think it was perfect. They should make more shows though seriously these guys are not finished.
15 years and it ends like this it was fine the way it ended no big shabang, But when you look at how the other big characters died bobby, jo, ellen they could of been surrounded by like 100 demons attacking them, And dean being dean saying something like Hey butch lets do this, And sam saying why do you get to be Sundance lol
Then dean says run sammy while he sacrifices himself to save his brother, Sam survives the attack but dean gets stabbed kinda like Jon Snows death
@@QrazedGaming yeah I see. Could have been a WAAAAAY more epic send off. Totally agree. Their ending was touching and sad. They could a done that but also hail if bullets as was proper for some legends.
We can all be honest . It was weak. Not bringing in other characters like Ellen to deans “funeral” and lack of rest of old cast in heaven was weak. Covid is the common excuse but that just doesn’t hold water. It would have cost more to film them and follow guidelines but it could have been done. I think the network should have taken the hit given it’s their longest running show ever. Just lame it was only production stuff that screwed it
I feel I’m one of the few that, though I will always love the show overall, and Jensen and Jared are two of my favorite people, I started losing faith by the middle of season 14, and absolutely hated the entire direction of season 15. As such, my opinion of the last episode has always been tarnished, because by the time I got there, I was too disgusted to make a fair assessment of that episode.
Yes. I felt the same way. Even now, I can’t watch seasons 14-15 reruns.
Same
The pandemic really did not help either…. I feel like the much bigger reunion initially planned for the final scenes would have blunted the odd-edges that some felt from the ending, but two weeks of salaries and hotel accommodations (Vancouver was on two-week quarantine for anyone flying in from outside), kinda killed that.
I liked the last episode myself (but would’ve preferred a longer impression of intervening time leading to it along with some of those familiar faces).
Mostly I still feel very sad that after 15 years of effort the pandemic robbed the cast and crew of what ought to have been a momentous series wrap celebration.
@@fromhgwaii I agree
I like all of season 15. I'm just torn on the finale. I like parts of it, I just hate that Dean died.
What I like about the death is the tone. It's real like the winchester brothers were. Death usually comes super flat. It's unbelievably quick and it's the most empty feeling there is. Time moves on and someone is gone from you life because of something usually so small. Something so avoidable if you could just go back in time.
We should have known how it would end. Dean always said, "It ends bloody or it ends sad." There weren't many people waiting to greet Dean in Heaven because of Covid. The actors and actresses literally could not get there without quarantining for two weeks each?? To film one scene? Travelling into Canada would have required that. I personally liked it, with Sam and Dean happy together in Heaven at the end. I seem to remember a song saying, 'There'll be peace when you are done.'
I didn't really care for the ending. I thought that the episode before that was a more natural ending to the show: Sam and Dean literally ride off into the sunset. The problem with the ending we got is twofold. First, I thought that it was a pretty weak ending for Dean, as unfitting for such a heroic character as the death of Captain Kirk in "Star Trek: Generations" was. This is a character who has faced off with some of the most powerful beings in the universe, and he gets killed by some low-level vampires the like of which he'd faced lots of times. It makes it looks like he wasn't all that great a hunter, and he'd only won all those times because he was part of Chuck/God's story and had _literal_ plot armor, which was gone once Chuck/God was reduced to mere human. (And I really didn't care for making God Himself the Big Bad for the final season.) The second problem is that the end, as written, seemed too much like excessive fan service -- Dean dies, but in such a way that he has _just_ the right amount of time to pour out his soul to his brother in one long, heartfelt goodbye, thus giving Sam the closure _he_ needs, and leaving nothing unsaid to become a lasting regret. Nice and tidy. Then they're reunited in heaven, with all their loved one's. Fade to black.
But then... Since my own "head canon" is that seasons 1-5 are the "real" story, and everything from season 6 onward are apocrypha, I don't really sweat it.