Tank Tuning Incoming...
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Blizzard has announced upcoming tank tuning that will be implemented next week. Here are my thoughts!
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Brew out here catching strays
Brew was doing similar damage to VDH? No sir, not on our watch. -Blizzard, probably
I hope equinox rolls up in the comments and says “You’re welcome Sha”😎
Brew main here, the nerfs were not needed, the white tiger statue is going away next expac, nerfing it before remove it makes no sense.
Getting nerfs in the throw-away season is crazy. Why make the player base frustrated for no reason?
because no one other tanks than venge dhs can play?
I wrote this in Dratnos’ comments and I think it deserves it here too. Rant inc:
Leave it to Equinox for single-handedly getting brew nerfed for the entire community. Is that his fault? No. I wish blizzard would look at the community as a whole rather than one rank 1 player who is pulling 400k+ overall at the end of a run as brew. He’s the best in the world at brew and me, someone who only gets to play 2 days a week and mains brew, find it disheartening and discouraging to have my legs swept out from under me while I struggle in 9s at 2100iO in pug hell, with me kicking 30 times in one run and the next highest kicking 9 times, to get just over 200k overall at the end of a run and survive while spinning these plates (that’s what brew feels like). Does anyone remember survival hunter, destro and WW in season 3/4 of SL doing close to 30% more damage than any other spec for like 13 weeks? I sure do! Why not let brew shine in that regard for a short time? It blows my mind. Sure Brew can do insane damage as a tank in very skilled hands, but the majority of the community doesn’t see +16 keys and isnt doing 400k+ overall at any given moment. I feel like a dev watched Equinox’s last AA run and said, Brew doing 1.2 mil damage on the tree trash pull? Nah bro, here’s your nerf. Then destro getting buffed when it’s already VERY good in M+ as is. It makes it really hard to stay positive at times. It really makes me feel like they don’t even play the game. It would have been nice to get a dev note, “hey we know you’re struggling atm, and like 3 people on brew are doing +15 keys but we don’t like the damage we’re seeing here’s a reduction on the one talent everyone forgets to place down anyway. Enjoy.”
Nerfs based on the very tip top players? Blizz doesnt do that....constantly...all the time...
400k is still lessthan some VDHs do, all while being much extremely easier to play on a min-max level, literally immortal and providing broken levels of utility.
Rumors say that the original balance team got fired during the layoffs and the game balance has been left as a side assignment to people who design world quests, time rifts and the big dig.
This is ridiculous.
Been pugging brew since s1 shadowlands...they cannot seem to figure out what role they want it to fill. I thought maybe a glass cannon, but then this shit comes out and I'm totally confused.
It can't just be equinox's logs, right?
Like that would be negligent to do tuning based off one dude's logs.
Here's to another season of being mid! Pray for me on high fort weeks.
As a player who mains DH & Bear, I have dabbled in some Brew since it's also leather. I too thought maybe they were going for a glass cannon build, and since that will never be meta... I liked it. Feels rewarding living big pulls while pulling off crazy dps. They nerfed their damage in a previous expans & just gutted them now, when very few players play them. Sucks and I feel for yall. They need to give Brew something that a niche of players want (since blizz wont let them ever be meta apparently.) I liked the glass cannon builds.
Oh trust me it's Equinox, they did the same exact thing when Publik advocated to change Legion Shadow Priest. Blizzard gives content creators way to much power to influence the game. I hate it so much.
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Yeah, and to be fair the stuff in TWW might help with that, but I'm not holding my breath ... and in reality the dmg nerf isn't that huge, but it's literally all we got ... it's really just that and looking good as a Vulpera.
They need to take expel harm and celestial brew off the GCD. That's a big one.
Oh well, it's still the tank that feels the most fun to me.
There is one incredibly simple fix that Demon Hunter tanks need and that is a fairly large damage reduction. They simply should not be the highest DPS tank AND the highest control tank at the SAME time. This would help split the meta even more - do you want high levels of CC? Take a DH! Do you want top level tank damage .. take a BrewMaster! Do you want an unkillable tank take a DK. Do you want a tank with a lot of party assistance take a Paladin. And you want one with a diverse toolkit take a Warrior. Blizz can't seem to figure out how to not make each tank have a 'thing' without also make one of them so OP its a bloody flavor of the patch/expac tank.
Yeah I totally agree Brew threat is already sketchy, takes several GCDS to make sure they are on you. Even 1 keg smash isn't enough anymore and they are nerfing that.
Meanwhile my BDK with Legendary casts 1 blood boil and all the mobs stick like glue.
Im eating popcorn out here as BDK main lol. The ONLY way to truly equalize tanks across the board for M+ is to change the tool kits, Veng just has the perfect toolkit for M+ no matter the cooldowns ect. while I as BDK have only one option...stay alive.
If i were to design the tanks to attempt to make them somewhat equal in capability is give them each a niche aspect for 5 man group play ie veng has CCs, paladin has protection/heals, brew has ect ect. When you build them that way then even you dont get the master Tank for your group, you still get something that helps benefit the group that may help you tackle the same problems with a different solution. Which becomes a balance NIGHTMARE because we will all still figure out what the best option is and thank tank will become the master M+ tank.
If you look at the high-damage logs of tanks like Equinox, Breath of Fire is the #1 or #2 source of Brewmaster damage, pumped up by Dragonfire Brew and sitting in Red stagger all the time. They should have hit the high stagger damage bonus from Dragonfire Brew, that would have been a targeted nerf to Equinox & co. while most Brewmasters wouldn't have even noticed.
Thanks goodness for those brew nerfs. Way to OP……..
I find it quite difficult to talk about tanks.
I like playing tanks, for me the tanks I play are all about the fact that they feel different and should serve different niches or have their own identity.
The current problem is that since the rework, VDH serves a real niche and serves it well.
Most DDs in pugs don't know what they have to cc, or that they have ccs, or actively choose not to cc because it's dmg loss.
So the VDH helps especially in these groups. Higher keys are again differently tied to the skill of the individual players and the DMG they have to bring, here too the VDH simply gives a lot for the group.
But now the question arises whether the VDH is simply too OP, or whether the other tanks simply need more identity.
Prot Warri: More damage, shouts that take dmg from the group?
Guard Druid: Further define shapeshifting and offheal?
Prot Pala: Absolutely underrated for his support traits and CC
BDK: Give him a class fantasy... Big, heavy, slow and stalwart gives nothing to the game, let him draw group support from the corpses of the dead or in the form of more debuffs on the enemies.
Monk: Never really got into the playstyle, pick something fancy
Blizzard has opened the door to supports with the Augmentation Evoker, I would bet that some of the ideas have also been transferred to the VDH and have simply worked well. Please do the same for the other tanks.
5% magic damage increase is insane that alone is like 100+k DPS
Raid buffs need to disappear from mythic+
Either disable them in m+ or give an aura in m+ that apply all raid buffs to the party/mobs constantly
Fellow brewmaster here, you have yourself a new follower, great videos my guy! P.S. WE MAD AT EQUINOX 😡
totally agree with [...]not nerfing VDH in CC but improving the other tanks in sense of more CC/support"[...] especially BDK ;)
Couple of thoughts from a 3k current M+ player, The DH Silence sigil nerf is medium deal, the buffs to destro seem insane to me since destro already tops meters, everything else doesn’t matter and is irrelevant, the adjustment to cap on tome of unstable power sucks, having OP trinks is fun, blizz hates fun, carry on
Lack of st dmg buffs to prot pala is a bit sad, were lowest dmg tank in raid, pwar is slightly above us but in same dumpster tier and they didnt get enough st buff as well. Sadge
totally agree with your "rant" I think vDH was fine , giving tanks a support role is what would make tanks alot more fun to play. They should have buffed/reworked other tanks instead.
The equinox salt is real lol
It's definitely a joke! Big fan of Equinox I'm glad someone enjoys the class so much that they push it to its absolute limits.
Delete m+ problem solved
so have to ask in your opinion why the hell did blizzard nerf brewmaster in the first place???? when we were the least played tank etc
You can make the argument that compared to all tanks (not just VDH) our damage is a little ahead of other tanks like BDK, Guardian, Warrior, etc.
The problem is that Brew damage can very severely based on key level due to abilities like Dragonfire Brew and Training of Niuzao.
If looking at those statistics, one can argue to pull Brew in line, they would need a 2-4% nerf which is what we got. Sadly, we were lacking defensively so they are implementing additional healing and stagger effectiveness. It's TBD if this will actually help, or just be a Band-Aid fix
No developer notes for these?
I knew gearing my prot war would be worth lmao 😂
i burst into LOL when i see brew nerfs. they got nerfed more than vdh :D GG blizzard
The brew dmg nerf is BS!
The healing sphere is meh, im sure itll feel better when we lose the teir set.
They've missed bad with these nerfs
first rip bremaster o7
Think prot getting buffed is weird. Just ran a +6 with one and his health bar did not move. I'll admit I dont remember his damage, but he was tanking no problem.
I mean... It's a 6. Any tank can do that without a healer even in last season gear...
+6 is irrelevant, heal a war on a 15 vault
lmao so we are getting nerfed bc of one god player, Equinox, feels totally reasonable
Hey Blizz how about you just give us Brewmaster players Kegs of Heaven tier from season 3 shadowlands as a class feature. Then you can just leave Brew alone we don't need you. Go focus on other classes.
They literally did almost nothing to tank balance. What is this clickbait? A minor nerf to DHs when they're by far the top of the tier is laughable at best.
How is it click bait? "Tank Tuning incoming..." they literally did tank tuning lmao
I've framed this comment and put it on my fridge.