Sim Racing Haptics - The best value bass shaker solution?
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- Sim Racing Haptics - In this video I add some Dayton Audio BST-1 bass shakers to my Sim Rig and configure them in Sim Hub. Are they any good? Links to the items I used below (click show more)
My Amazon UK Affiliate Links
Nobsound NS-10G Mini Bluetooth 5.0 Digital Amplifier 100W with Power Supply
amzn.to/35ACNAj
Amazon Basics 16-Gauge Speaker Wire 1.3 mm² - 15.24 m (50 feet)
amzn.to/3hEWg5o
Dayton Audio BST-1 High Power Pro Tactile Bass Shaker 50 Watts
amzn.to/3i0lCuN
www.soundimports.eu/en/dayton... (cheaper here at time of making video)
Sim Hub Software
www.simhubdash.com/download-2/
0:00 Intro & Parts List
4:00 Install
5:50 Sim Hub Setup
13:27 Dirt Rally 2.0 Demo
18:10 Final thoughts
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Man this is why I love the community lol the sheer happiness says it all. I can't wait to get another sim rig here soon.
Thank you for this video walkthrough - Just ordered all the items used looking forward to joining the Haptic Crew... Your video was spot on btw easy going and very informative - cheers
Awesome! Thank you!
Definitely a fun upgrade. I couldn't imagine driving without a Buttkicker anymore. Turn on the gearshift thud. Love it!
Yeah I enabled gear shift now too. It's great.
Love your video! Very informative👌Thank you! Big like from ProjectSimRacing.
Just added my first BST-1 & nobsound amp to my GT omega ART rig today & its it’s a game changer , got another one to fit but might get another couple .thanks for this great stream.
Just thought that I would add ….it’s all through my PS4 pro ( until the PS5 pro comes along )😊
Great to hear!
Thank you so much for sharing this info. I just ordered everything lol. Cheers mate.
Nice.. Bass shakers are awesome 👍
I have the same base shakers one in each corner. this is this is by far one of the best things I did to my rig, great that you did a video on this 👍going over rumble strips with four is amazing.
Cool do you have 4 x BST-1s or some other ones? These 2 alone seem pretty powerful LOL
I bought four of those Dayton bst and a four channel 400watt amplifier about three months ago I need to hook them up I’ve just been using two of the Dayton pucks with a nobsound 2x50 watt and thought that was Awesome
Steven, did you just buy two of the same Nobsound amps to power 2x BST-1s each? I'm interested since I have been pondering this idea for a while, and I want to go forward with it. Thanks! 🙂👍
@@JoMaMaz hi yes used 1 amp to power two shakers for front and one amp to power two for rear. There's a video I followed GT omega bass shakers video on you tube. And used sim hub to run them. It also runs wind as well. 👍
@@stevenmaclean4867 Ok, this is what I've seen as well. I just misinterpreted as I reread and now saw the "4" channels part. I was somehow thinking you ran 4 off of one Nobsound, but I understand now. Thanks! :)
All my gear is here now (Nobsound amp, (2) Dayton BST-1s, banana plugs, and 14 AWG wire), just need to hook it up! :D
Yes, I'm planning on using SimHub also (haven't used it before, but heard that's the way to go). Cool to hear about the wind also! :D I heard a guy mention he uses an Arduino to control the "wind (fan)," but I don't know, I'll have to look into a couple of these things. I don't think they're too complicated once you break it down, but do you just end up with all of these amps and boards on your desk/next to your rig? I like organization. I need a way to keep a "clean" look. :)
I'm planning to add this to my flight sim setup.
Very informative video!
Thanks Shaun. Will be interested to see what you think when you get your bass shakers setup 👍
Thanks for the video. It has given me a place to start. About 8 months ago, my buttkicker amp died, but I got it replaced under warranty. Now the transducer has died. I am thinking about going this route. The buttkicker 2 that I use is 90 watts, while these are 50 watts. I wonder if I will feel less feedback. I am also trying to figure out how to attach it. I race on the cheap and use a Next Level Racing gt lite racing seat. The buttkicker was perfect for that since it would clamp right on the rig. Then when I wasn't racing, I would clamp it on my desk chair for regular gaming. I also great when I was listing to music when I was on the computer, (I am a blogger and have my metal jamming while I am writing).
These Bass Shakers are probably the best bang for the buck on my sim rig bro , shout out to Aero 💪💪💪
I totally agree. It takes the immersion to a new level and yeah AeroX is the man!
You are wrong, the best ones are the Reckhorn bs 200i, at €49 per unit, they double the power and better construction... look in the official German store... you will have to double the power of the amplifier, but it is almost the same price. I have 6 bs 200i and 3 12" and it is a joy...
I have 2 coming in mail. 50W for seat and a smaller 40W for pedals. It sounds like Im gonna set mine up just yours. I have same ideas in mind...glad I casn do what I wanted lol
Thanks Ham. THinking to do this. I already have couple amps lying around . Still thinking DIY like the one you did here. or Buttkicker Pro or the Next Level racing HF8
The other way to further amplify the vibrations is to fix transducer to underside of the seat using cross brace, and then isolate the seat from rig mainframe using 10mm rubber washers 😛
I like the rubber washer idea. Where do get the cross brace from or did you make it?
@@HamVR I will update with amazon link later for washers, if allowed. Cross section ordered to custom size on Simlab website, cost about a tenner if memory serves me correctly, o you also need brackets too
I got a cheap $10 TV wall mount as it comes with bolts,nuts, etc and used it for cross bracing, then mounted 1 bass shaker under seat. 1 shaker on underside of pedal platform.
@@tigerbalm666 Does it work well like that?
Very cool. Adding a second one soon to pedal deck. Lower cost option than the ButtKicker gamer I bought. Which is great. But more than double the cost.
They are great, I really miss racing without them if the game doesn't support it. Fortunately a lot of PC racing games do.
@@HamVR got part of my kit today! Just waiting for the Dayton bit to ship.
Great video..I've ordered all the parts today so will see how it goes. Did you have any issues with bolts shaking loose on your rig, I'm wondering if I need to worry about isolating the areas from the main rig?
No bolts have shaken loose yet after several months of use.
Nice video. It would have been nicer to also show the installation from the PC to the bass shaker. It may be obvious to many, but showing which cable connects from the PC to the amp and then how the speaker wire connects to the amp and to the bass shaker would have been a good feature. I've watched maybe 5 or 6 videos and no one shows this.
Hey its just one USB (the small socket on the amp) to standard USB on the PC. As for speaker cable it's just one run (+/-) to one bass shaker for each of the two channels.
About to set up mine (just a single for seat, as I have haptics on the P1000). Didn't you find the need to put some kind of dampers (ex. elastomers) in between pedals plate/marine board and and the BST-1's?
Great video! What is the difference between Nobsound NS 01G Pro and NS 10G?
Hi, great video. I’ve got the same rig and just received 2 BST1s. Quick question though, did you need to drill out the holes to fit the M4 bolts? Many thanks.
No drilling needed they have pre-drilled M4 holes 👍
@@HamVR Hi, thanks for reply. In that case my M4 bolts must not be M4 as they don’t fit. I’ll get some more. 👍
@@HamVR Great setup 👍 may I ask for the length of the M4 bolts? Thank you!
Once you've configured them with SimHub, does the software need to be running when you race?
SimHub needs to be running in the background yes. You can have it minimised though.
what is the power supply voltage and amperage attached to the nobsound you are using?
The AC/DC adapter that came with mine is 12v 5A, so 60W
what pedals do you have there? looked like csl but couldn't see the load cell...
Yes the CSL pedals with clutch kit. At the time of making this video I didn't have the load cell kit (that I now have).
Hi my set up is very similar to yours. I have drilled 4 holes in the seat to fit the bass shaker too. But I don't have any nuts and bolts that fit. Which ones did you use. And also I can't get my head around the wiring do I need to buy some wire like you have? And does the wire just plug into the nobsound?
Hi for the Dayton BST-1 you will need M4 size bolts. In terms of speaker wire I've linked the stuff I go from Amazon UK which is 16 guage speaker wire. In terms of wiring the Nobsound has two channels Left and Right. Wire one channel to one bass shaker. The Nobsound has a USB connection to connect to your PC, job done.
@@HamVR thank you for the response mate
Awesome Video! Is it possible to split the sound from the base shakers and headphone? Keep the vibration but have the normal sound from your head phones?
Yes and that's how it's setup. The amp has its own sound card built in which SimHub uses to output sound generated using telemtry data. This is separate to the game audio which is output to your regular sound card that connects to your headphones or speakers.
@@HamVR okay thanks, when I went into the game I had to change the sound to the base shackers to get the vibration. I must be missing something in sim hub.
Thanks for the reply!
Someone Please Help! Has anyone else had an issue with getting your computer to recognize the Dayton BSA-200??? I have it connected w/ a usb and have tried everything under the sun. Cant get my pc to download the amp
I heared good things about the solution with the vibration motors mounted behind the brake and throttle pedal plates. Do you think your solution is better? For me only wheel lockup/ABS/TC is important. Thank you for the video!
Hey I've not tried the solution with vibration motors behind the pedals. I believe the v3 have motors under the pedals but I haven't tried these yet to compare.
@@HamVR I think I read, that the vibration/rumble motors for the V3 are not strong enough. The SIM-3D Pedal Rumble Motors should be strong enough. Laurence Dusoswa did a review about it.
@@alexkupfer9171 Cool I might have to try those out next... Thanks 👍
I use a fairly stirdy wooden frame and vw Tiguan seat. Would you advice 2 or 4 Daytons? And do I need other amplifier when using four? Thank you in advance
I think the two shaker option with the one small amp is the better value and more practical option. One under the seat and one under the pedal deck. You don't need them cranked up as high either as you would with one on each corner. For four shakes, I would look for a single 4 channel amp rather than two little amps. I've not looked into what options are available for 4 channel amp though.
@@HamVR Thank you 👍
@@HamVR Did you use a external soundcard?
Great video and info. I have only a console and I wondered if this setup would work on PS5 ?
Yes with GT7 only currently.
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Nice 🥺
Is that an unhappy face 😂 They are... genuinley... very good.
Damn glasses 😂
Was meant to be a thumbs up
Hi there.
Thanks for the video im interested im doing this myself but bit confused with if windows audio is set to use the amp for vibration then how do you still get game sound also through your usual speakers/headphones?
Windows audio continues to output to the current audio device e.g. game sound outputs as usual. Sim Hub outputs additional bass sounds to a seperate sound device (the new amp).
@@HamVR alleviates my confusion thank you so much.
Thanks for the video, it's been incredibly helpful! Couple questions if you don't mind:
1) Did you feel the need to isolate the seat and pedals from your rig? I've heard if you don't isolate them, the vibrations carry through to the rig frame and can muddle the effect. Most people seem to use rubber mounts.
2) Do you think it matters if you mount the shaker on the top of the pedal plate vs the bottom?
Hi regarding your questions 1) For just two shakers front and back I don't believe it's necessary to isolate them. I can easily feel the difference between the front a back being directly under the seat and under the pedals. Shakers in each corner, attached to the rig frame would be different though. 2) Top or bottom of the pedals shouldn't make any difference, the closer to your feet the better though. Also in general the closer the shakers are to your body the better, since you then don't need to turn them up so high to feel them.
Need to have gear shift on!!!!
Could I plug these into my buttkicker 2 gamer amp ???
Hi. thx for the video...help pls. all youtube videos on this are for PC with simhub...but how can i do this setup for PS4. My thinking is to just plug into Nobsound with the 3.5mm aux in (from the PS4 controller). Any thoughts? anyone done this? will this work with the standard audio? i know customization will not be there ...but it should do something right ??? tx
I've tried audio based haptics with my PS5 via the PC (I used voice meter banana to filter out the high frequency sounds). It wasn't that good tbh. I believe one or two PlayStation racing games broadcast game telemetry data (Dirt Rally and F1) but I'm yet to confirm this is the case. If they do, it might be possible to run SimHub on a PC on the same network as the PlayStation and get proper haptics from game data.
How are you mounting these? I want to install a couple on my playseat trophy but can’t work out how to mount them!
See 4:30 I show under the seat and pedal deck mounting.
Thanks! Not sure I can do the same
With my rig. Is the speaker wire all you need? Speaker wire to the 2 x Channels on the amp and the amp to the PC via usb and that’s it?
How did you connect the amp to the PC? Every video always omits this part. USB?
Yes that amp has a built in USB sound card.
The best ones are the Reckhorn bs 200i, at €49 per unit, they double the power and better construction... look in the official German store... you will have to double the power of the amplifier, but it is almost the same price. I have 6 bs 200i and 3 12" and it is a joy...
Reckhorn BS200i Bass Shaker Tactile Transducer Review
Karl Gosling
What Amp do you use then?
@@racer00uk I use 11 3116 Texas Instruments amplifiers, but in a mono configuration, with a 100 hz filter and gives 100W. to 2 Omios with 24V. 10Amp...I put air in it and at 60% it's a giant
TPA3116D2 Digital Power Amplifier Board Subwoofer Amplifier 100W 3.5mm NE5532 OPAMP 8-25V A4-010
Looks like you need to turn down gain in software as looked like it was clipping peek detail in the graph read out, but good video.
Well spotted.
For the price of 300 to 450€, or addtionnal 150€,
I would look forward to extend it progressively to 1 or 2 more Amps, with 2 or 4 more basshakers.
On 4 sides (wheels) of the rig to have more separate and oriented effects.
But the question is, is it possible to configure an effect to only one amp "soundcard",
to redirect effects to different soundcards, to a different couple of transducers.
Meaning that with 6 Bass shakers, you can have a different effect on each transducer, depending on the telemetry,
for instance someone hits you from behind in Formula, and in Project Cars, your racing crew ask you, did you notice you lost a back wheel ?
and you can tell, yes, it was the right one...
Yes you could run 2 more amps and 4 more bass shakers. You would have 3 amps with three volume dials, which would be a little fiddley to adjust. A better option would be a more poweful six channel amp and six channel sound card (or multiple sound cards). The reason the two bass shaker setup works so well is that with one directly under the seat and pedal deck, they don't need much power in order to feel them. With bass shakers on the corners of the rig, you will need a lot more gain to feel it the same amount vibration since there is more distance to travel.
@@HamVR Here is my updated experience
USB Soundcards based on c-media chips, pretend to support 5 or 7.1, optical spdif,
but only deliver stereo under Windows 10/11, no updated drivers, last c-media drivers date back to 2015/16, I have ... tried almost every possibility...
I got 4 channels at best, but never 5.1 DD.
Windows detects a soundcard of triple monitors through their hdmi connection,
Each screen has an optical out, and my central Sony has full 5.1 Dolby Digital output through hdmi (eARC), not through display port.
6 channels tested on my 20y old Harman/Kardon AVR130, used in another room.
No need for another soundcard, lag of optical output seems bearable...
I only need another amp with 5.1 optical input, which will probably be as expensive as 2 other small nobsound amp.
This solution may end up with many long cables (12) from the shakers to the amp, if the 10kg big heavy amp does not fit close on/under a (moving) rig.
The Nobsound bluetooth solution means less cables, small light amp/soundcard combination means less items, less weight, less space, short cables.
Cables, amps, power units may remain under the seat.
Very short cables to transducers, each amp placed next to my seat to reach volume knobs easily, volume is adjusted in SimHub anyway.
Simhub can redirect different effects to different soundcards and any transducers seperately, by a simple on/off click. Amazing software..donation 15€.
But my experience with Bluetooth is horrendous lag, unsuitable for short impact effects, they come way too late!!
USB Cable seems a must, and does not work on the non-powered Hub on my rig, two more USB cable would leave the rig...
Better to power up my USB hub.
There may be a risk of a humming sound issue caused by the electrical ground loop.
Ideally, the only cable to leave the rig should be an extension power socket with 4 inputs and the USB connection of the USB Hub.
And the Rockwood Bodyshaker 12cm 100W are even cheaper : 19€ :
6 of them = 120€
3 mini amps = 140€ ( a 5.1 amp can be found for less than 100€)
Less than 300€ seems unbeatably cheap and it works.
But the main question remains : are 6 bass-shakers really useful ?
My first experience is that lateral detection of separate wheel effects with transducers positioned vertically is very poor, as the vibrations travel through the whole metal rig,
and still mix with each other. That's the whole problem with bass, it cannot be easily localized. Maybe all transducers have to be positions horizontally.
For now one under the Seat and one under the Pedal, they both work great and feel very well separated..
@@tomsawyer2112 Thanks for this comprehensive and detailed comment 👍👍
@@HamVR In fact I tried and either I did it not right, there a several ways to install bass-shakers, facing each other or away, up or down, but I could never tell right from left, front from rear was a little more clear, I read that telemetry is not so clearly identifiable left or right, so I currently keep just one under the seat, offset attached to wood, which makes more "analogue" vibration, and on under the pedal, which is great, for wheel slip, block, abs, I would never do without it anymore. Hopefully, the electronics in the pedals will resist the vibrations, lol
how do you seperate between front and rear ? when i do it doesnt matter how hard i try it still comes from both and using same setup as you.
In the speaker setup section maybe you've got it set to mono rather than front/back?
@@HamVR no I've got it set to front and rear .. but it doesn't seem to separate the signal .. I've gone in custom and played around with that to but no change .. thanks for the reply. I'll just keep playing with it .
@@HamVR no found the problem within windows sound theres a bit that says mono audio ..combine left and right channels into one.. just turned that off. eveything ok now ..cheers
Hey Ham, Are the shakers noisy and do they vibrate through the room?
It depends how loud you turn them up really. On quarter volume they are fine. I recommend you have something to lift your rig off the floor e.g. wheels or pads to isolate the vibration energy to the rig.
@Ham VR cheers, thanks for the quick response 👍
Could you run this setup on a PS5?
You can but it's audio based haptics only which isn't that great compared telemetry based haptics on PC. What I did was run the PS5 audio through my PC and removed the higher frequency signal with software. It was OK but not worth the effort IMO.
Congrats on not saying “ I can feel it under my arse” 😂
LOL
Is 1 shaker enough or shoul I use 2?
If you are getting the same amp in this video, go for 2 shakers (under seat and under pedals). It's the sweet spot for feedback and value IMO.
Would this be possible on a ps5?
Technically yes it's possible, however very few PlayStation games broadcast telemetry data. I think Dirt Rally (1.0) might be the only one I've heard of. Without telemetry data you would have resort to audio only haptics which just isn't the same. I tried it with GT7 filtering out the high frequency sounds but it wasn't very good tbh.
Tip: set front(pedal) to 45% and rear (under seat) to 100%.
Those Nobsound amps tend to cut in and out for me - due to overheating.
The trick is to not to push them beyond half way. If you need more gain than that, you probably need a bigger amp or to move your bass shakers so that they are closer & transmit energy better. That's why locating them directly under the seat and pedal tray is a good location. For a four corner, setup I would definitely go for bigger amps.
That's a shame Simhub does not support MSFS
That amplifier blow up in my rig. Very tiny heatdink inside not gonna last long. Need to get some real amplifier...
Interesting mine has been fine with a lot of use. Maybe I don't have turned up as high as yours.
@@HamVR I got just on or off. Inside found thumbnail size heatsink it didn't had change on my wooden budget rig. Going for 2x160w tda amp.
Sounds like Sim Hub not support GT7
Unless GT7 or Sim Hub has recently removed support, it does work.
@@HamVR yes, just figure it out, working perfectly now.
Nobsound 🤣🤣🤣
No way that amp is giving you 50watts 2x 😂
it gives way more than enough, I use the knob at mid-volume, 80% in Simhub, most effects at 30-60, except gear change, wheel block and wheel slip at 100%
The knob at max and the tiny amp gets really hot!
@@tomsawyer2112 That amp is not enough. No contest. I have 3 of those amps, 2 BST1's and 4 TTS25 Pucks.
After blowing multiple amps on the BST1's and learning how under powerered it was, I can for sure say this amp is NOT 50Watts X2 and is NOT worth it.
@@MDaDonLegacy I disagree, I use it for for half a year, still works fine, and I am very happy with it, if you are not getting the right results, whatever the power, either you expect too much, either you have not optimized the placement of the bass shakers.
Bass gives more resonnance when placed along with wood, and that helps a lot, rather than fixing it on metal.
I finally set one under my foot pedal, for abs, slip, block on the wheels, and one under the seat, slight contact when vibrating. The result is that the effects merge with other effects, of the sterring wheel and the rig, and it becomes part of the simulation, without standing out.
I forget it when its working, meaning my attention is not on the effects but on racing, I miss it when its off. The car feels dead.