In a storm of swords, when Arya met Ned Dayne, he was desecribed as having somewhat silver hair and purple eyes. In the chapter right after that, when Tyrion first met Oberyn. It was stated that there are 3 types of Dornish men, and Tyrion went on to describe the physical features of all the three. Non of the features matched the description that was given about Ned Dayne, in the chapter just before. Ive always thought that this is subtly hinting at something else.
They are probably descendants of the Great Empire of the Dawn, like Valyrians are. They have Valyrian features, but are not descendants of the Valyrians, which likely means that they have a common ancestor.
After this House, you should do a video on the mysteries of House Hightower and its links to the Great Empire of the Dawn too, with them being Proto-Valyrians who were loyal to the Amethyst Enpress and therefore forced to flee the Bloodstone Emperor's tyrannical rule to set themselves up with the First Men in the reach.
Theres no evidence for Hightowers ever being loyal to amethyst empress. Its believed amethyst empress and her brother bloodstone emperor were dragon riders. Well, the Hightowers entire symbolic significance to the story is their opposition to dragons. They built their castle on Battle Isle, which is made of fused black stone that could only have been made by a dragon. Like building on the ashes of your enemies. Then theres story of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield slaying a dragon near what is now Oldtown (probly one of the first Hightowers) Then there's all the treachery and scheming Hightowers perpetrated against House Targaryen during Maegor's reign and the entire timeline leading up to and including the Dance of Dragons. Hightower's Valyrian Steel sword is even called "Vigilance" which I believe to mean perpetual vigilance against dragons, exactly what the Hightower's puppets at The Citadel believe. I find it hard to believe they were ever loyal to dragon riders which would mean they werent loyal to Amethyst empress. I also think Hightowers were already kings in Westeros thousands of years before Amethyst Empress even lived.
I like the idea that the Dawn is psychic and the sword of the morning has to be able to “hear” it. Then while wielding Dawn they know the future and know what their opponent will do next and the sword can help direct them into winning any fight.
once again thank you for adding in the purple eyes, it looks so much better I'm still pissed neither show has included it, fire breathing dragons, sure, silver hair, of course, purple eyes? no how ridiculous. again, thank you
My Darkstar tinfoil is that he is actually Edric Dayne while George was still planning the five year time gap, once he nicked that idea he had to create an OC. Now with that out of the way Darkstar would know whatever Dayne secret that is so dangerous to Dorne, whatever makes Doran think 'hes the most dangerous man in Dorne' and that Oberyn 'should've killed him when he had the chance'. What that all leads to i'm not sure but its probably the one part of the story i've spent the most time thinking about trying to put together.
I find it improbable that 2 lordling knights, a prince and a highborn lady of 15/16 (pregnant half the time) did not need any attendants at some point during their near year long absence. They would have had some basic skills (setting up camp, hunting, meal prep, mending a shirt), including Rhaegar who liked going away on his own, to help them on the road, but once settled they would need help with cooking, cleaning, food provisions and clothes (washing and replacement). Plus, old timey clothes required help to put on, so unless Lyanna was constantly half naked or swapped dresses for britches and shirts, she would have needed help dressing and undressing. If one stops and thinks for a minute, it’s obvious that there were more people at the ToJ than who we think Ned encountered. At least one attendant for Lyanna and one for the men would have to be permanently there. I believe that Wylla was at ToJ, then arrived at Starfall with Ned and baby Jon and that’s why she was believed to be Jon’s mother. While at the same time Edric was told about Ned and Ashara’s great love story. Little Gerold being there is not an unreasonable conjecture considering that the Daynes were probably sending provisions to ToJ and who more trustworthy that a little Dayne? But I don’t know why Gerold keeps that secret after everyone else is dead. Wouldn’t telling Doran and Oberyn how his Starfall kin aided in the disgrace of Elia be in his favour? He could have hoped that the Martells punish his remaining cousins and grant him Starfall with all it contains (including Dawn). Another option is that Ned put to sword any servant he found at ToJ, the cairns hold more bodies that we know of and that’s why he pulled the tower down and refused to tell how to find it, even if it made Barbrey Dustin hate his guts… There is also a case of where and with whom Lyanna was staying in the months between the Turney and her “kidnapping”. Benjen went North to replace his father as the Stark in Winterfell, so Rickard can travel to Brandon’s wedding. Ned went to the Eyrie. Brandon was at Riverrun and travelling around with his companions. But where was Lyanna? She was not with Ned. She was not up North because her father was travelling south alone at the time she was being kidnapped (Bran already was a prisoner in KL by the time his father arrived). Bran had heard about the incident from someone at some point (probably at the Inn and from Petyr who was looking to distract him and save his own skin). There is no suggestion she had been at Riverrun with the Tullys. Was she sent to stay with a southern family to get her used to this different world before she married Robert? Was she with the Blackwoods? Or maybe the Whents? Does it matter that we were not told? Tangent over. However, if Gerold is jaded ‘just because’ this still leaves Wylla as the living witness to the truth of Jon’s birth. Gerold only exists because Martin dropped the time skip. Ned Dayne won’t be old enough to do whatever needs to be done, most likely move Dawn from Starfall. Gerold is not another Edric because that’s not how Martin writes, but he exists for a purpose. And for this reason, I don’t think George imagined him at ToJ originally. Also, both Jon and Dany are much too young to be Harrenhall babies. If there is any conspiracy regarding Ashara’s stillborn daughter that I could get behind is that Allyria (so much younger than any of her siblings) was Ashara’s and adopted by her grandparents as a Dayne (maybe there was a late age pregnancy for Ashara’s mother that claimed her life and Allyria had been swapped for that other dead babe. George denied Brandon Stark having bastard sons. Sons specifically. So, a daughter could an option. Little Allyria being Brandon and Ashara’s Harrenhall baby is the only Dayne baby conspiracy that I could believe in. Although Arthur/Lyanna are my favourite fanfiction guilty pleasure 😊 How The Sword of the Morning is chosen is an interesting topic. Especially considering they don’t seem to be a big family at any point. A ritual then makes more sense. I quite like the idea of Dawn resting in a stone like Excalibur and hopefuls have a go at pulling it out. And the family are simply the witnesses.
There's a theory that Rhaegar and Lyanna spent some time at the Isle of faces before going to the TOJ. If not that, Oswell Whents family could've put them up in harrenhal.
I think the "Sword in the Stone" idea is really good, because otherwise it would be pretty easy for someone to just steal it whenever a Sword of the Morning isn't active.
Yeah if Dawn is really thousands of years old, it'd be pretty hard to believe it never got stolen/lost before. It seems plausible the sword must go back to its stone once a Sword of the Morning dies, and the sword only works properly if wielded by a knight of its own choosing.
@@CrusaderChrisif we’re assuming there’s some marvel comics inspiration going on, it could also be like Thor’s hammer and just be immovable to those deemed “unworthy.”
@@neroangelo736 Would he? He comes off as an honorable person because of his intentions but he does a ton of stupid dishonorable shit that causes people to suffer and die. Not to mention doesn't he straight up kill Arthur WITH Dawn while he's down?
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26:43 "The keyblade chooses its master, and it chose you!" The words of House Dayne: "Simple and Clean" 🤣 Nah fr, great video my guy. The Daynes are freakin' cool.
I just realized Rheagar and Aerys had the Kingsguard split in half and NEITHER of them bothered to leave even ONE to protect Elia and her children. Baby Jon gets three but his big brother and sister get none. If I was the Martells I would kind of be like screw the Lannisters but also the Targaryens. Even Danys mum at least had Willem Darry who's brother was a Kingsguard. That's something. Who died defending Elia and her children? Who cared about them? Just the Red Viper.
Great video!! Here's a theory I can get behind: Dawn chooses Darkstar instead of stealing it There must be some kind of magic protecting Dawn, that's why no one in thousands of years has been able to steal Dawn The Daynes made-up the part of “deemed worthy can carry it”, because they knew Dawn was too powerful and dangerous to be wielded by the wrong person
I'm Pretty sure you meant Neolithic Anatolians. The Turks did not arrive in Anatolia until 1080 A.D. (CE). "Anatolia" is the region where the knives were found and "Syria" and "Anatolia" are geographic and not ethnic terms.
I'm surprised that you failed to mention Barristans feelings for Ashara and appearance of pain and loss when he speaks of her and her stillborn child. His reaction tells me that the knight who "dishonored" her is either known to him, but someone he was never able to take revenge on (say, Brandon Stark who died soon after harrenhal, or Jon Connington, who was exiled) or even himself in a regrettable state of mind.
Great Empire of the Dawn lineage is my theory too. The Swords of Pale Fire that the Kings in Dany's dream all carry are, I believe, what the sword Dawn actually is, a remnant of the Great Empire's version of dragonsteel blades.
When i clicked on this video i knew there were going to be some empire of the dawn shenanigans, but I honestly never dug too deep into the house Dayne rabbit hole, i absolutely love everything this video presented and approve of the Dayne conspiracy, also totally see Darkstar teaming up with Faegon, he wanna be the next arthur dayne so much
I wonder when the sword of the morning role was created. They seem to specify that the sword of the morning is a knight of house Dayne, but if the Daynes are first men, they would predate the institution of knighthood.
fascinating to think about, but in reality the definition "knight of house Dayne" would probably have replaced the earlier "rider" (ritter or chevalier) or champion of the Dayne clan, new words tell old tales all the time!
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I'm still convinced that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. The phrase "alive with light" is only used in connection with Stannis' fake Lightbringer and Dawn, and I'm pretty sure the color of Dawn is tied in with the magic that forged it. I'm not discounting the idea that the metal which Dawn was forged from came from a meteor (bolide), but I think the white color is a result of Nissa Nissa's willing sacrifice. Human sacrifices are tied closely with Valyrian steel, a famously black metal: Valyrian magic is explicitly blood magic, and the smiths of Qohor follow the Black Goat who's worship involves human sacrifice. Both of these groups seem to use less-than-willing individuals in their sacrifices, but I'm pretty sure that in the legends Nissa Nissa willingly gives herself up when Azor Ahai quenches his blade by driving it through her heart. Alt Shift X floated the idea that the Daynes pass Dawn to worthy swordsmen because the next Azor Ahai is supposed to come from their line and they need him to bear the sword. Someone else probably generated that idea, but the point is that there is so much pointing toward Dawn being the original Lightbringer that I just can't be convinced that Dawn is just a cool meteoric iron sword
Great video, I never considered that Darkstar would have been old enough to squire for his cousin, the Sword of the Morning at the Tower of Joy. But if he knows Jons identity... how does that explain Darkstar attacking Myrcella and all that? What would his goal be?
2000's BC were well into the bronze age. Then there was the chalcolithic/copper age in the 3000'sBC that bridges the gap between the bronze age and new stone age. Though periods can vary depending on the region in question.
Everything revolves around him and Daenerys, or the central five characters GRRM mentioned in his original outline in the 90s - Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Bran, and Arya
@@bouel2709I forgot about that theory...another possibility....and Cersei's speculation about Asharas suicide would still fit (if, say, the stolen child was Meera)
Why would she fake her death and live there in secret though? I have yet to hear a compelling reason other than shippers wanting to give Howland a hot wife lol.
@@JorraneRei It really feels like a theory born out of "we've been reading and over analyzing the same text for twenty years". I don't even buy that she is Septa Lemore either (though I feel like that is more plausible, if still unlikely) and I think she is just dead.
Many Dayne's married into House Targaryen during the reign of King Daeron II; and maybe some Targaryen's in trade married into House Dayne, before that, no Daynes were described with silver hair and violet eyes.
One Dayne married into House Targaryen (Dyanna, wife of King Maekar, mother of King Aegon V). We don't have physical descriptions for any pre-Targaryen Daynes. And it's unlikely that Gerold Dayne, of the lesser Dayne branch in High Hermitage, is descended from a Dayne-Targaryen marriage, but he still has silver hair and violet eyes.
Ned had girl with him when he was on sisterton and everyone there believed them to be pair. That was before he had to sign marriage pact so that Uprising can have grteater survival strength by getting Hoster Tully and his Riverlords. Jon is possibly older than Robb because of their wolves are their symbols. Ghost had his eyes open first that's why he went away from the litter. Ashara being Jon's mother make far more sense if Jon is promised hero. He have blood of Ned as father and he is Dayne giving him rights to claim dawn sword when others come. Child from Tower of Joy was Young Griff/Aegon since he dye his hair blue in remembrance of his mother. No Jon and Dany will never Meet. Jon in nothing ever written about him have anything with dragons or south. Jon's story is about North. He will be King of the North and hero to fight against darkness of others. Also visions Dany has in House of Undying about blue rose in wall have nothing with Lyanna. Blue Rose is symbol of starks and Winterfell. They way worm Rhaegar crowned Lyanna with those roses doesn't actually connect them with her. That's a red herring. Blue rose is symbol of as i said North and even King Beyond the Wall Bael who asked for Rose
You make a mistake in 23:06. As a Turkish i had to say Anatoila were ruled at that time by Hitties not by Turkish people . I am sure modern Turkish had Hitties genes but they are not Turks. But i can say Atilla The Hun had a metorite sword he died at 455. He was nightmare of Europeans. Hungary mistakenly named Turk Kingdom, maybe they live a lot of Turkish at that time. You can say Turks made metorite sword but not in 2500 BC. We had cool steel sword look like Valyrian steel in tv series. Known as Damascus steel it crated by Ancient Indians but used Arabians, Persians and we Turks too.
7:07 I wouldn't mind if they were a mashup of some of these. I think "Of the Stars" would be kind of 🆒 and a bit of a nod to their whole falling ⭐ thing.
The Turks originated on the Eurasian Steppes and migrated to Anatolia around 1000 AD so neolithic Turks didn't exist in Anatolia. The dagger was found at Alacuhöyük which was a Hittite settlement. The Hittites were Indo-European and not Turks.
I haven't heard anyone mention that circumnavigation must've happened with the Hightowers and Daynes that came from the west, From the Great Empire of the Dawn. The Hightower would've served as a watchtower for sailors coming from West of Westeros, and the Hightowers themselves were said to have silver and gold hair like the Daynes and the Valyrians. It was also built using an oily black stone.
Love the video. Awesome subject matter. Great Empire of the Dawn is always the best. Yet, I'm 99% sure Raegar and Lyanna got married on the Isle of Faces, and the sword Dawn is absolutely a magical sword. George said as much. Dawn is like a precuser to Valeryan steel, just like the Great Empire was a precuser to the Valeryan Empire
Could Gerold carry the moniker ‘most dangerous man in Dorne’, not due to his famous name and fighting prowess, but because he does possess that secret, and what could happen and be undone if he broke his vow? Doran Martell probably gave him that nickname as a clever nod.
I feel like dark star is the kinda guy to boast about being at the tower of Joy, unless they swore him to secrecy and he is actually so honorable that he kept his vow to this day. But then again if they were trying to keep everything happening there under raps I don’t know if they’d bring in another person outside of Rhaegar’s circle, but Gerold being related to Arthur does make him the likeliest of unlikely people to be brought in.
my theory is that there are so many people who have purple eyes/silver hair because rhaegar (and possibly another targaryen before him) ran around popping out bastards for probability’s sake that ONE of them becomes a cool guy who does a cool thing and might be azor ahai
Jon took a vow to be the light that brings the dawn. I think he’ll “bring the dawn” by ending the long night, and he’ll also literally bring dawn with him to do the job.
Not sure about the Dayne's but i do believe that Dawn is Lightbringer. a quote from Ned " The blade was as pale as milkglass and alive with light". Thus I believe its Lightbringer. The person who first made Dawn could actually be Azor Ahai and the reason why the person that wields the sword is called the sword of the morning could be because it was originaly wielded by Azor and he was the one that brought the end of the long night by beating the others. The end of night is the morning.
Ashara is Jojen and Meeras mother and you cannot convince me otherwise. She pretended to jump and die so she could run off into the north with howland.
I believe there are at least two more Daynes in this story and possibly even a 3rd. 1) Haldon Halfmaester. Its common knowledge GRRM picks specific names for his characters. Haldon literally means "half-Dane" in Danish. That cant be a coincidence. Haldon is also traveling with Septa Lemore, who myself and many others believe to be Ashara Dayne in disguise. Haldon could also be Walys Flowers, the old Winterfell maester who disappeared around Robert's Rebellion and is "presumed" dead. A bastard of an archmaester would likely be born in Oldtown which is in the Reach which would make their last name Flowers. I find it odd were even told Walys Flowers' last name as maesters are usually only given one name to help them forget any former allegiances. Its like GRRM is screaming at us to figure out who his father was. Walys was also said to have a Hightower for a mother, another link to Oldtown and The Reach. 2) Archmaester Gildayn. For starters, his name literally has dayn in it. Right in our faces lol. And Haldon goes by Halfmaester which I think means he was fathered by a maester. Half Dayne, half Maester. Bonus contender: Archmaester Walgrave. Just with the "Wal" at the beginning of his name also leads me to believe he could be Walys Flower's father which would have to make him a Dayne too and wouldnt change my mind on Gildayn either (Gildayn just wouldnt be Walys' father but still an important Dayne character, probably Walgrave's brother). This would basically mean Dayne's have their own Citadel faction playing important roles. Tl;dr: Haldon Halfmaester is Walys Flowers and the possible bastard son of Archmaester Gildayn, both of whom are Daynes. And Archmaester Walgrave could potentially be Walys' father and a Dayne.
Bastard names refer to where you grew up, not where you were born. For example, Obara Sand was born in Oldtown, but her surname is still Sand and not Flowers.
"Sword chooses the knight Harry, I mean Arthur." Something to consider. Steel is folded to remove anything that isn't steel. To forge a meteor you'd have to fold it a lot to remove the nickel. This is complicated because you'd also remove carbon making it hard and brittle. The suggestion of a 1000 folds and length of time AA did it supports the idea it was a meteor and required a very complicated process of folding and heating to remove other metals and put carbon back into the blade. Possible rhythming symbolism to support. Brienne takes Duncan's sigil for her repaint. Curiously it's a green falling star or meteor, and further comes from Evenfall. Which ties into a pattern of red flame becoming a green flame that we see in Quentyn and other places. The tower of Joy stuff. I honestly believe theorists ignore Selmy's words and Dany's vision to avoid having to deal with a much less desired truth. Lyanna was already pregnant and Ashara's role was quite a bit more complicated. However, your thoughts on Gerald do make sense as far as that goes. There is a symbolism in the Stark sigil that also gets avoided. Comets were interpreted as wolves in Viking culture, making a wolf a possible symbolic comet or meteor. That and Bran's vision of the white haired women are highly suspect in the context of the Daynes.
BRUH IT DOES MATTER!!!! the empire of the dawn is key to tracing all the history of long nights and understanding WHY all these mysterious magical things are happening all throughout the world were they previously were not. EXCEPT for the faceless men though i think theirs is more ancient valyrian blood glamor they figured out whilst still slaves.
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I find Gerold “darkstar” dayne to be the funniest character in the series, he shows up for one chapter gives an edgy speech maimes a child and leaves
He’s my favorite character in the entire series
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Did he maim her?
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Yes he cut off myrcella’s ear
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Bros shaping up to be the new generation Alt Shift X
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@@CrusaderChrisnothing wrong with that. Gotta have something in between his super long videos. Love what both of y’all put out
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The other guy doesn’t make videos. Pops up every two years to leech off of the show and then dip.
The way bro actually brought scientific detail of meteorites to explain dawn was 👏
In a storm of swords, when Arya met Ned Dayne, he was desecribed as having somewhat silver hair and purple eyes. In the chapter right after that, when Tyrion first met Oberyn. It was stated that there are 3 types of Dornish men, and Tyrion went on to describe the physical features of all the three. Non of the features matched the description that was given about Ned Dayne, in the chapter just before. Ive always thought that this is subtly hinting at something else.
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They are probably descendants of the Great Empire of the Dawn, like Valyrians are. They have Valyrian features, but are not descendants of the Valyrians, which likely means that they have a common ancestor.
"last updated 17 years ago" my brain: oh so in the 90s...WTF DO YOU MEAN 2007
I did the same thing 😂
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It’s so funny that the actor who played Jon snow also played a character that inspired part of Game of thrones. He can’t escape.
I really hope the MCU continues the Black Knight storyline. It’s the only thing I care about in those movies 😭
@@CrusaderChris I had forgotten the eternals existed until this video and I’ll probably forget again in a couple minutes
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After this House, you should do a video on the mysteries of House Hightower and its links to the Great Empire of the Dawn too, with them being Proto-Valyrians who were loyal to the Amethyst Enpress and therefore forced to flee the Bloodstone Emperor's tyrannical rule to set themselves up with the First Men in the reach.
Theres no evidence for Hightowers ever being loyal to amethyst empress. Its believed amethyst empress and her brother bloodstone emperor were dragon riders. Well, the Hightowers entire symbolic significance to the story is their opposition to dragons. They built their castle on Battle Isle, which is made of fused black stone that could only have been made by a dragon. Like building on the ashes of your enemies. Then theres story of Serwyn of the Mirror Shield slaying a dragon near what is now Oldtown (probly one of the first Hightowers) Then there's all the treachery and scheming Hightowers perpetrated against House Targaryen during Maegor's reign and the entire timeline leading up to and including the Dance of Dragons. Hightower's Valyrian Steel sword is even called "Vigilance" which I believe to mean perpetual vigilance against dragons, exactly what the Hightower's puppets at The Citadel believe. I find it hard to believe they were ever loyal to dragon riders which would mean they werent loyal to Amethyst empress. I also think Hightowers were already kings in Westeros thousands of years before Amethyst Empress even lived.
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I like the idea that the Dawn is psychic and the sword of the morning has to be able to “hear” it. Then while wielding Dawn they know the future and know what their opponent will do next and the sword can help direct them into winning any fight.
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once again thank you for adding in the purple eyes, it looks so much better I'm still pissed neither show has included it, fire breathing dragons, sure, silver hair, of course, purple eyes? no how ridiculous. again, thank you
I suspect it had more to do with actors wanting to be able to see well on set and not wear cumbersome contacts.
My Darkstar tinfoil is that he is actually Edric Dayne while George was still planning the five year time gap, once he nicked that idea he had to create an OC. Now with that out of the way Darkstar would know whatever Dayne secret that is so dangerous to Dorne, whatever makes Doran think 'hes the most dangerous man in Dorne' and that Oberyn 'should've killed him when he had the chance'. What that all leads to i'm not sure but its probably the one part of the story i've spent the most time thinking about trying to put together.
I find it improbable that 2 lordling knights, a prince and a highborn lady of 15/16 (pregnant half the time) did not need any attendants at some point during their near year long absence.
They would have had some basic skills (setting up camp, hunting, meal prep, mending a shirt), including Rhaegar who liked going away on his own, to help them on the road, but once settled they would need help with cooking, cleaning, food provisions and clothes (washing and replacement). Plus, old timey clothes required help to put on, so unless Lyanna was constantly half naked or swapped dresses for britches and shirts, she would have needed help dressing and undressing. If one stops and thinks for a minute, it’s obvious that there were more people at the ToJ than who we think Ned encountered. At least one attendant for Lyanna and one for the men would have to be permanently there.
I believe that Wylla was at ToJ, then arrived at Starfall with Ned and baby Jon and that’s why she was believed to be Jon’s mother. While at the same time Edric was told about Ned and Ashara’s great love story.
Little Gerold being there is not an unreasonable conjecture considering that the Daynes were probably sending provisions to ToJ and who more trustworthy that a little Dayne?
But I don’t know why Gerold keeps that secret after everyone else is dead. Wouldn’t telling Doran and Oberyn how his Starfall kin aided in the disgrace of Elia be in his favour? He could have hoped that the Martells punish his remaining cousins and grant him Starfall with all it contains (including Dawn).
Another option is that Ned put to sword any servant he found at ToJ, the cairns hold more bodies that we know of and that’s why he pulled the tower down and refused to tell how to find it, even if it made Barbrey Dustin hate his guts…
There is also a case of where and with whom Lyanna was staying in the months between the Turney and her “kidnapping”. Benjen went North to replace his father as the Stark in Winterfell, so Rickard can travel to Brandon’s wedding. Ned went to the Eyrie. Brandon was at Riverrun and travelling around with his companions. But where was Lyanna? She was not with Ned. She was not up North because her father was travelling south alone at the time she was being kidnapped (Bran already was a prisoner in KL by the time his father arrived). Bran had heard about the incident from someone at some point (probably at the Inn and from Petyr who was looking to distract him and save his own skin). There is no suggestion she had been at Riverrun with the Tullys. Was she sent to stay with a southern family to get her used to this different world before she married Robert? Was she with the Blackwoods? Or maybe the Whents? Does it matter that we were not told?
Tangent over.
However, if Gerold is jaded ‘just because’ this still leaves Wylla as the living witness to the truth of Jon’s birth. Gerold only exists because Martin dropped the time skip. Ned Dayne won’t be old enough to do whatever needs to be done, most likely move Dawn from Starfall. Gerold is not another Edric because that’s not how Martin writes, but he exists for a purpose. And for this reason, I don’t think George imagined him at ToJ originally.
Also, both Jon and Dany are much too young to be Harrenhall babies. If there is any conspiracy regarding Ashara’s stillborn daughter that I could get behind is that Allyria (so much younger than any of her siblings) was Ashara’s and adopted by her grandparents as a Dayne (maybe there was a late age pregnancy for Ashara’s mother that claimed her life and Allyria had been swapped for that other dead babe.
George denied Brandon Stark having bastard sons. Sons specifically. So, a daughter could an option. Little Allyria being Brandon and Ashara’s Harrenhall baby is the only Dayne baby conspiracy that I could believe in. Although Arthur/Lyanna are my favourite fanfiction guilty pleasure 😊
How The Sword of the Morning is chosen is an interesting topic. Especially considering they don’t seem to be a big family at any point. A ritual then makes more sense. I quite like the idea of Dawn resting in a stone like Excalibur and hopefuls have a go at pulling it out. And the family are simply the witnesses.
There's a theory that Rhaegar and Lyanna spent some time at the Isle of faces before going to the TOJ. If not that, Oswell Whents family could've put them up in harrenhal.
I think the "Sword in the Stone" idea is really good, because otherwise it would be pretty easy for someone to just steal it whenever a Sword of the Morning isn't active.
Yeah if Dawn is really thousands of years old, it'd be pretty hard to believe it never got stolen/lost before. It seems plausible the sword must go back to its stone once a Sword of the Morning dies, and the sword only works properly if wielded by a knight of its own choosing.
@@CrusaderChrisif we’re assuming there’s some marvel comics inspiration going on, it could also be like Thor’s hammer and just be immovable to those deemed “unworthy.”
Nah, it's not like mjolnir. Ned stark carried it on horseback.
Also, I think Ned would be worthy of mjolnir.
@@neroangelo736 Would he? He comes off as an honorable person because of his intentions but he does a ton of stupid dishonorable shit that causes people to suffer and die. Not to mention doesn't he straight up kill Arthur WITH Dawn while he's down?
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@CrusaderChris Anytime he post I immediately watch it
Thanks so much for showing me that Jen Zee made art for ASOIAF! She is the artist behind supergiant games(Bastion, Transistor, Pyre, Hades), super awesome work
I've been anticipating this one from you.
Damn..glass candles gat Dat 1080p,, valyrian tech is impressive as always
Love your videos! I really appreciate how you cite the book and also compare it to the show!
It always makes me chuckle when he edits in the “that’s interesting” from GRRM 15:13
I like the "we're making this stuff up" clip
It took me out of it and made me chuckle like crazy. So clever.
as for the colour of Dany's eyes. King Maekar married Dyanna Dayne, and as her descendent, Dany could have inherited that trait.
26:43 "The keyblade chooses its master, and it chose you!"
The words of House Dayne: "Simple and Clean" 🤣
Nah fr, great video my guy. The Daynes are freakin' cool.
Kingdom heart's in my asoiaf?
Howland Reed House Dayne
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Having answers to some of the most important plot points but not being featured in the story yet to give us those answers.
I just realized Rheagar and Aerys had the Kingsguard split in half and NEITHER of them bothered to leave even ONE to protect Elia and her children. Baby Jon gets three but his big brother and sister get none. If I was the Martells I would kind of be like screw the Lannisters but also the Targaryens. Even Danys mum at least had Willem Darry who's brother was a Kingsguard. That's something. Who died defending Elia and her children? Who cared about them?
Just the Red Viper.
Nissa Nissa chooses who wields the Dawn, as her soul is inside (Team Dawn Brings Light) just like souls of dead greenseers are in weirwoods
23:06 the turks only migrated to anatolia in the 11th century ad reeeeeee
Great video!!
Here's a theory I can get behind: Dawn chooses Darkstar instead of stealing it
There must be some kind of magic protecting Dawn, that's why no one in thousands of years has been able to steal Dawn
The Daynes made-up the part of “deemed worthy can carry it”, because they knew Dawn was too powerful and dangerous to be wielded by the wrong person
Amazing video, super refreshing for people like me who haven't dug enough into the lore to know or think about that kind of stuff
I'm Pretty sure you meant Neolithic Anatolians. The Turks did not arrive in Anatolia until 1080 A.D. (CE). "Anatolia" is the region where the knives were found and "Syria" and "Anatolia" are geographic and not ethnic terms.
I'm surprised that you failed to mention Barristans feelings for Ashara and appearance of pain and loss when he speaks of her and her stillborn child. His reaction tells me that the knight who "dishonored" her is either known to him, but someone he was never able to take revenge on (say, Brandon Stark who died soon after harrenhal, or Jon Connington, who was exiled) or even himself in a regrettable state of mind.
Great Empire of the Dawn lineage is my theory too. The Swords of Pale Fire that the Kings in Dany's dream all carry are, I believe, what the sword Dawn actually is, a remnant of the Great Empire's version of dragonsteel blades.
God I love this series, thank you for making content. Ion see anything else coming our way n that’s ok
Damn this is all so good.
Arthur Dayne Will always be a LEGEND ☄️☄️☄️☄️
☄️Her legacy shall not be heard!
Fuuuuuuck I like this theory a lot. Dont know if 100% believe but it’s definitely interesting and has fun story potential for Darkstar.
When i clicked on this video i knew there were going to be some empire of the dawn shenanigans, but I honestly never dug too deep into the house Dayne rabbit hole, i absolutely love everything this video presented and approve of the Dayne conspiracy, also totally see Darkstar teaming up with Faegon, he wanna be the next arthur dayne so much
Great video! I look forward to more.
House dayne this will be good
I wonder when the sword of the morning role was created. They seem to specify that the sword of the morning is a knight of house Dayne, but if the Daynes are first men, they would predate the institution of knighthood.
fascinating to think about, but in reality the definition "knight of house Dayne" would probably have replaced the earlier "rider" (ritter or chevalier) or champion of the Dayne clan, new words tell old tales all the time!
I know this is gonna be an excellent video. You're genuinely one of the best ASOIAF RUclipsrs out there and you deserve far more subs. I hope you have a nice day ser.
I appreciate you 🙏🙏
@@CrusaderChris Yeah no problem, man. I don't know everything, but I know greatness.
“Answering these questions would be too much too soon”
This is a book series that has been out since 96
I'm still convinced that Dawn is the original Lightbringer. The phrase "alive with light" is only used in connection with Stannis' fake Lightbringer and Dawn, and I'm pretty sure the color of Dawn is tied in with the magic that forged it.
I'm not discounting the idea that the metal which Dawn was forged from came from a meteor (bolide), but I think the white color is a result of Nissa Nissa's willing sacrifice. Human sacrifices are tied closely with Valyrian steel, a famously black metal: Valyrian magic is explicitly blood magic, and the smiths of Qohor follow the Black Goat who's worship involves human sacrifice. Both of these groups seem to use less-than-willing individuals in their sacrifices, but I'm pretty sure that in the legends Nissa Nissa willingly gives herself up when Azor Ahai quenches his blade by driving it through her heart.
Alt Shift X floated the idea that the Daynes pass Dawn to worthy swordsmen because the next Azor Ahai is supposed to come from their line and they need him to bear the sword. Someone else probably generated that idea, but the point is that there is so much pointing toward Dawn being the original Lightbringer that I just can't be convinced that Dawn is just a cool meteoric iron sword
I really enjoy your channel, thanks for sharing!
Great video, I never considered that Darkstar would have been old enough to squire for his cousin, the Sword of the Morning at the Tower of Joy. But if he knows Jons identity... how does that explain Darkstar attacking Myrcella and all that? What would his goal be?
2000's BC were well into the bronze age. Then there was the chalcolithic/copper age in the 3000'sBC that bridges the gap between the bronze age and new stone age. Though periods can vary depending on the region in question.
You know I do love a good map
another banger chris
I’m cracking up 😂 great editing
I think GRRM purposely wrote Doran saying Darkstar is "the most dangerous man in Dorne" as foreshadowing.
Amazing video my friend
Such a great video
Thank you for keeping my obsession frsh😁
1) Ashara IS Jon's mother.
2) She is alive and well posing as Septa Lemore.
House Dayne video. Woo!!!!
Are we sure Jon isn't the main character?? So far everything revolves around him
Jon is at least the main male character but he is not THE main character there is no single main character in asoiaf that's kinda the point.
Everything revolves around him and Daenerys, or the central five characters GRRM mentioned in his original outline in the 90s - Dany, Jon, Tyrion, Bran, and Arya
“ I’m F@€king pissed! “ House Baratheon
Gerold the Darkstar was Oberin's squire, if I remember correctly
I don't believe we're told that. We know that Ser Daemon Sand was Oberyn's squire once, so maybe that's who you're thinking of.
As a DAIN I can't spoil it for you.
As a geology student, I really liked the section about meteorites ❤
Not mentioning the theory of Ashara being the wife of Howland Reed is criminal.
I really love that theory, and is one I 100% belived until George says otherwise (and he is not going to do that, because Ashara is Jyna)
@@bouel2709I forgot about that theory...another possibility....and Cersei's speculation about Asharas suicide would still fit (if, say, the stolen child was Meera)
Why would she fake her death and live there in secret though? I have yet to hear a compelling reason other than shippers wanting to give Howland a hot wife lol.
@@JorraneRei It really feels like a theory born out of "we've been reading and over analyzing the same text for twenty years". I don't even buy that she is Septa Lemore either (though I feel like that is more plausible, if still unlikely) and I think she is just dead.
Isn’t the Tower of Joy part of House Fowler’s land?
Many Dayne's married into House Targaryen during the reign of King Daeron II; and maybe some Targaryen's in trade married into House Dayne, before that, no Daynes were described with silver hair and violet eyes.
One Dayne married into House Targaryen (Dyanna, wife of King Maekar, mother of King Aegon V). We don't have physical descriptions for any pre-Targaryen Daynes. And it's unlikely that Gerold Dayne, of the lesser Dayne branch in High Hermitage, is descended from a Dayne-Targaryen marriage, but he still has silver hair and violet eyes.
cool thoughts
Ned had girl with him when he was on sisterton and everyone there believed them to be pair. That was before he had to sign marriage pact so that Uprising can have grteater survival strength by getting Hoster Tully and his Riverlords. Jon is possibly older than Robb because of their wolves are their symbols. Ghost had his eyes open first that's why he went away from the litter. Ashara being Jon's mother make far more sense if Jon is promised hero. He have blood of Ned as father and he is Dayne giving him rights to claim dawn sword when others come. Child from Tower of Joy was Young Griff/Aegon since he dye his hair blue in remembrance of his mother. No Jon and Dany will never Meet. Jon in nothing ever written about him have anything with dragons or south. Jon's story is about North. He will be King of the North and hero to fight against darkness of others. Also visions Dany has in House of Undying about blue rose in wall have nothing with Lyanna. Blue Rose is symbol of starks and Winterfell. They way worm Rhaegar crowned Lyanna with those roses doesn't actually connect them with her. That's a red herring. Blue rose is symbol of as i said North and even King Beyond the Wall Bael who asked for Rose
You make a mistake in 23:06. As a Turkish i had to say Anatoila were ruled at that time by Hitties not by Turkish people . I am sure modern Turkish had Hitties genes but they are not Turks. But i can say Atilla The Hun had a metorite sword he died at 455. He was nightmare of Europeans. Hungary mistakenly named Turk Kingdom, maybe they live a lot of Turkish at that time. You can say Turks made metorite sword but not in 2500 BC. We had cool steel sword look like Valyrian steel in tv series. Known as Damascus steel it crated by Ancient Indians but used Arabians, Persians and we Turks too.
7:07 I wouldn't mind if they were a mashup of some of these. I think "Of the Stars" would be kind of 🆒 and a bit of a nod to their whole falling ⭐ thing.
Wake up, new Crusader Chris dropped ‼️
The Turks originated on the Eurasian Steppes and migrated to Anatolia around 1000 AD so neolithic Turks didn't exist in Anatolia.
The dagger was found at Alacuhöyük which was a Hittite settlement. The Hittites were Indo-European and not Turks.
I haven't heard anyone mention that circumnavigation must've happened with the Hightowers and Daynes that came from the west, From the Great Empire of the Dawn. The Hightower would've served as a watchtower for sailors coming from West of Westeros, and the Hightowers themselves were said to have silver and gold hair like the Daynes and the Valyrians. It was also built using an oily black stone.
Why is nothing known of High Hermitage??
Not to mention that Dane Whitman is literally kit harrington
He was great in Eternals! I was so hyped for a Black Knight movie after that
Rhaegar+Ashara=Daenerys confirmed…
Also if Gerold has beef with the starks and outs Jon to say F U to Ned would be really interesting
“ A Lannister always pays his bills on time! “
Love the video. Awesome subject matter. Great Empire of the Dawn is always the best. Yet, I'm 99% sure Raegar and Lyanna got married on the Isle of Faces, and the sword Dawn is absolutely a magical sword. George said as much. Dawn is like a precuser to Valeryan steel, just like the Great Empire was a precuser to the Valeryan Empire
Could Gerold carry the moniker ‘most dangerous man in Dorne’, not due to his famous name and fighting prowess, but because he does possess that secret, and what could happen and be undone if he broke his vow? Doran Martell probably gave him that nickname as a clever nod.
I feel like dark star is the kinda guy to boast about being at the tower of Joy, unless they swore him to secrecy and he is actually so honorable that he kept his vow to this day. But then again if they were trying to keep everything happening there under raps I don’t know if they’d bring in another person outside of Rhaegar’s circle, but Gerold being related to Arthur does make him the likeliest of unlikely people to be brought in.
my theory is that there are so many people who have purple eyes/silver hair because rhaegar (and possibly another targaryen before him) ran around popping out bastards for probability’s sake that ONE of them becomes a cool guy who does a cool thing and might be azor ahai
They are 5 house still alive who may come from Empire of the Dawn :Hightowers,Targaryens,Daynes,Celtigars and Velaryons
23:10 At this point in time, Anatolia is more fitting for the region. Turkey officially came to existence in 1453, with the fall of Constantinople.
Alt shift x been quiet since this was posted
Since when does Dawn glow? I thought Dawn was described as a milk-white sword
"The blade was pale as milkglass, alive with light." (AGOT Eddard X) To me, "alive with light" makes Dawn sound like it glows a bit.
@@CrusaderChris oh wow, i forgot it said that
Rumble in the Marches when? 🔥🔥🔥
Men call me Darkstar (because my name is Gerold and that sounds lame)
I was weaned on venom (and by venom I mean resentment since my parents named me fucking Gerold, while my superstar cousin got Arthur)
“ Summer is over! “ House Stark
Jon took a vow to be the light that brings the dawn. I think he’ll “bring the dawn” by ending the long night, and he’ll also literally bring dawn with him to do the job.
That surprise bison rogan lol.
Not sure about the Dayne's but i do believe that Dawn is Lightbringer. a quote from Ned " The blade was as pale as milkglass and alive with light".
Thus I believe its Lightbringer.
The person who first made Dawn could actually be Azor Ahai and the reason why the person that wields the sword is called the sword of the morning could be because it was originaly wielded by Azor and he was the one that brought the end of the long night by beating the others. The end of night is the morning.
Is the thumbnail a reference to Kit Harrington playing Dane Whitman in Marvel?
Yep, I discuss how Black Knight influenced GRRM in the later sections of the video
He tracked a "Meteorite", because they are made of the "Rite" materials to make it through the atmosphere, and land on the surface. 😂
The road from summerhall to starfall makes sense due to King Maekar marrying a Dayne when he was essentially the prince of summerhall.
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Ashara is Jojen and Meeras mother and you cannot convince me otherwise. She pretended to jump and die so she could run off into the north with howland.
I believe there are at least two more Daynes in this story and possibly even a 3rd.
1) Haldon Halfmaester. Its common knowledge GRRM picks specific names for his characters. Haldon literally means "half-Dane" in Danish. That cant be a coincidence. Haldon is also traveling with Septa Lemore, who myself and many others believe to be Ashara Dayne in disguise. Haldon could also be Walys Flowers, the old Winterfell maester who disappeared around Robert's Rebellion and is "presumed" dead. A bastard of an archmaester would likely be born in Oldtown which is in the Reach which would make their last name Flowers. I find it odd were even told Walys Flowers' last name as maesters are usually only given one name to help them forget any former allegiances. Its like GRRM is screaming at us to figure out who his father was. Walys was also said to have a Hightower for a mother, another link to Oldtown and The Reach.
2) Archmaester Gildayn. For starters, his name literally has dayn in it. Right in our faces lol. And Haldon goes by Halfmaester which I think means he was fathered by a maester. Half Dayne, half Maester.
Bonus contender: Archmaester Walgrave. Just with the "Wal" at the beginning of his name also leads me to believe he could be Walys Flower's father which would have to make him a Dayne too and wouldnt change my mind on Gildayn either (Gildayn just wouldnt be Walys' father but still an important Dayne character, probably Walgrave's brother). This would basically mean Dayne's have their own Citadel faction playing important roles.
Tl;dr: Haldon Halfmaester is Walys Flowers and the possible bastard son of Archmaester Gildayn, both of whom are Daynes. And Archmaester Walgrave could potentially be Walys' father and a Dayne.
Never thought about this but technically Jon Snow should technically be named Jon Sand…..he was borne in Dorne. He is a Sand not a snow.
Bastard names refer to where you grew up, not where you were born. For example, Obara Sand was born in Oldtown, but her surname is still Sand and not Flowers.
@@j-rey- maybe it’s actually based on where the parents live? That’s another possibility.
"Sword chooses the knight Harry, I mean Arthur."
Something to consider. Steel is folded to remove anything that isn't steel. To forge a meteor you'd have to fold it a lot to remove the nickel. This is complicated because you'd also remove carbon making it hard and brittle. The suggestion of a 1000 folds and length of time AA did it supports the idea it was a meteor and required a very complicated process of folding and heating to remove other metals and put carbon back into the blade.
Possible rhythming symbolism to support. Brienne takes Duncan's sigil for her repaint. Curiously it's a green falling star or meteor, and further comes from Evenfall. Which ties into a pattern of red flame becoming a green flame that we see in Quentyn and other places.
The tower of Joy stuff. I honestly believe theorists ignore Selmy's words and Dany's vision to avoid having to deal with a much less desired truth. Lyanna was already pregnant and Ashara's role was quite a bit more complicated. However, your thoughts on Gerald do make sense as far as that goes.
There is a symbolism in the Stark sigil that also gets avoided. Comets were interpreted as wolves in Viking culture, making a wolf a possible symbolic comet or meteor. That and Bran's vision of the white haired women are highly suspect in the context of the Daynes.
BRUH IT DOES MATTER!!!! the empire of the dawn is key to tracing all the history of long nights and understanding WHY all these mysterious magical things are happening all throughout the world were they previously were not. EXCEPT for the faceless men though i think theirs is more ancient valyrian blood glamor they figured out whilst still slaves.
I'd put money on Darkstar being corrupted by Dawn in a more moral sense, in so far as he will do evil things to get his hands on it then to keep it.