The Queen Reaches a Conclusion About Her Favorite Child | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Tobias Menzies)
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- Опубликовано: 26 окт 2024
- Philip (Tobias Menzies) asks Elizabeth (Olivia Colman) if she has reached a conclusion about who's her favorite child, her response it that all four children of hers are lost.
From Season 4, Episode 4: Favourites
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"And as for Andrew... I'm shocked." And she didn't even know the full story!
The foreshadowing here was clearly intentional by the writers/producers.
@drparnassus2867 yeah, her shock at that point is nothing to the shock she'd have experienced if she'd known about his eventual visits to Epstein's island, and the absolutely diabolical activities that took place there. Talk about scandal!
It's really sad that the kids' immediate reaction to a simple invitation is "What have I done now?" or if there is bad news, showing the kind of relationship they had with Elizabeth.
Indeed! It really struck me when Andrew was the only one who met her with a wide, happy smile. He knew how to charm and m*nipulate her, certainly, but there is also the distinct feeling that he's the only one who feels a real connection with her, to the point where he WANTS to see her, and doesn't question why she wants to see him.
Shame about the real life Andrew, of course :/
Remember that The Crown is a dramatisation, not a documentary.
@@mck2021 there's always one 😅 WE KNOW DEAR.
you do know this is crap
Since when do we censor the word manipulate????
Tobias Menzies does such a good job at portraying an older Matt Smith
Matt Smith mate
@@nikhilpatel7832 good lord, thank you!
They are a powerhouse acting team!
And the way both of them acted in a universe by George R. R. Martin!
@nikhilpatel7832, Get a life.
Olivia Coleman's nuanced acting here is brilliant. She says so much just by giving a certain look, or nodding her head a certain way. A pleasure to watch.
Tobias Menzies and Olivia Coleman are powerhouse actors here. Watching them is like watching a beautiful masterful work of art. Chefs kiss !
Philip calling the queen mother as the oracle was so funny.😅
I think part of the issue between the dysfunctional parent/child relationship is that both Elizabeth and Phillip never really got to have childhoods. They both had to grow up quite fast and both were hugely impacted by the war. Duty is what helped them survive, so they probably thought they were doing a good job by focusing on duty versus wants in their parenting. But their children never had to live through rationing, blitzes, or threat of imprisonment so to them it just seemed unnecessarily harsh.
I think both Elizabeth and Phillip realized that as they got older, and were much more doting grandparents. Hell, Phillip was way more of father figure to Will and Harry than Charles was.
Many people were/are impacted by war. Not all of them end up being dysfunctional parents. That's a lame excuse.
@@S.Morgenstern Acknowleding a reason isn't the same as an excuse.
Actually both Charles and Anne lived through the last few years of rationing, but they were too young to be aware.
No, even Diana said Charles was a good father. I think he tried to break the cycle of emotionless, remote parents. He hasn’t always had an easy time with his boys, and look at what a mess Harold ended up being, but I think he genuinely tried to show his children love and support.
@@S.Morgensternlet’s face it, it was a different era where kids were seen and not heard. Not like today where every child is a genius in their parents eyes
What makes me sad is that Philip didn’t even try to defend Charles. He just said that he has always been lost. It is sad that his relationship with his eldest son and child is that damaged.
At least he redeemed himself by encouraging William to make peace with Charles.
Did he actually say that about Charles in real life?
It’s a television show. There’s little doubt that Charles and Philip had a rough relationship but this conversation is entirely fictional, scripted for an excellent drama but nothing more.
@@robertisham5279never publicly. This was an entirely fictional conversation.
@@lordalessanin the show. But don’t forget this is entirely fictional, scripted entirely for an excellent television show but nothing more.
Prince Philip didn't understand that it isn't so easy to sort yourself out as an adult when you've been emotionally damaged as a child. A good therapist and a lot of diligent work can get you there, though. Everyone deserves to have this, too.
I would say that Philip had a rather
"damaging" childhood. At least
concerning his parents. A father
(Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark)
who had absconded with the family's
money to live with his mistress in
southern France; a mother (née Princess
Alice of Battenberg --who was known as
Princess Andrew of Greece and Denmark)
had been declared insane and institutionalized
for several years after her husband's abandonment.
Prince Philip , Duke of Edinburgh, and his 4 older
sisters were raised by their maternal grandparents;
" *Louis Alexander Mountbatten, 1st Marquess of*
*Milford Haven* (1854 - 1921), formerly Prince Louis Alexander of Battenberg, was a British naval officer
and German prince related by marriage to the British royal family." --- Wikipedia
AND
" *Princess Victoria of Hesse and by Rhine*, then [as]
Princess Louis of Battenberg, later Victoria Mountbatten, Marchioness of Milford Haven (1863 -1950), [who] was the eldest daughter of Louis IV,
Grand Duke of Hesse and by Rhine, and Princess
Alice of the United Kingdom, daughter of Queen
Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and
Gotha." -- Wikipedia
After his grandfather died, he was raised by his
grandmother and spent his holidays with the
Mountbatten
Prince Philip's maternal aunt was the Queen
of Sweden. He didn't see her much.
Neither Philip nor Elizabeth came from a generation that had a grasp of psychology and therapy.
@@Pdmc-vu5gj
Exactly!
That generation just gritted their teeth
and carried on, as did their parents'
generation and many generations before
them. Survival was the name of the game
for most people throughout mankind's'
history
@@here_we_go_again2571 When we think of what the people of that Greatest Generation went through, it’s small wonder that they didn’t value talking about “feelings” much. That way lay dragons. The only way to keep standing and sloughing through an often terrible set of circumstances without giving into despair and having it take them down was to bury the pain of loss deep and keep buggering on with things they could control. This was for physical survival but also for mental survival. Elizabeth and Philip came from privileged backgrounds, but even they experienced the deprivations and uncertainty of war. Philip essentially lost both of his parents at a very tender age And suffered further loss when his sister and her entire family perished in a plane crash. Homeless, penniless…devoid of his family. A person in that situation has two choices: Knuckle down and become an incredibly strong character, Teflon…. Or go to pieces and lose his mind and maybe end his own life. Philip chose the former course and his children paid the price for that, principally his eldest. But what a colorful life he had and he really turned the basically constitutionally meaningless job of consort into a life of purpose. As for Elizabeth, she was emotionally distant for different reasons. I suspect her emotional detachment came from possibly mildly autistic tendencies as we would call it now, or possibly Emotional retreat was her personal way of coping with her overbearing narcissistic mother. Despite the idyllic pictures of childhood presented by the media, I think Lilibet and Margaret were under their mother’s thumb all their lives. Their dear Papa Doted on them but his wife wore the pants in the family. The lady who terrified Adolf Hitler would certainly have been formidable in her own family circle. Charles was spoiled by this grandma, and her smothering love didn’t do his character many favors. He had the misfortune to be an emotionally needy child born to two emotionally unavailable parents. In every respect Britain might’ve been better off if his sister Anne had been born to be the Queen. There are distinct advantages to not being a pile of emotional mush when one has to wear a Crown.
He didn't? With his own personal history? He certainly did.
Neglectful parents always rationalize their behavior by their belief that children magically turn out alright in the end. They don't.
These two are powerhouse actors. My god it’s like looking at a beautiful masterful piece of art.
After seeing her in The Favourite, I wasn't going to watch this, but she is pretty amazing
They saw Andrews future coming a mile away😂
Oh yeah!
The show was made after all his dirt came out of the closet. So, not really.
@uafc1 the show didn't come out until after epstiene was arrested for being a pedophile in 2010.
Andrew was the favorite because he's the only one who didn't sweat when meeting her
Oh, right, the no sweating thing!
Stick around and keep breathing...for all our sakes. Truer words...
This honestly sounds like prolonged postpartum depression to me..
she never had the time to be a mother to her young children, Charles wasn’t even three when George VI first became ill and Elizabeth was taking over many of his duties. I do think her relationship with all her children improved by her eighties and definitely in her nineties, but it was so tough to be given such a responsibility at just 25.
Everything is "depression" nowadays 🙄😑
@@gein87 Or...it might be better mental health literacy. Just a thought ✌️
@@gein87 I agree with you
@@gein87
People felt depressed back
then too. They just coped
with it in different ways.
Including some, being
institutionalized, if their
coping skills were poor
OR their depression very
deep (melancolia)
Unfortunately, the late Queen was not exactly June Cleaver. This trait of not really feeling a lot for your kids can be inherited. Queen Mary was famous for being a horrible mother with little natural affection for them. And she was Elizabeth's grandmother.
Queen Victoria didn't like her children much either, particular her eldest son, whom she blamed for her beloved Albert's death. She said and wrote terrible things about her children and treated some with great cruelty. But her mother was a horrible mother too.
@ KrisKk08
Personality traits can be
inherited. I think that
HMTQ just needed a
pre-natal class or two
or three to get the hang
of it.
But back then, nobody
did that sort of thing;
unless a class was for
poor people whom
society assumed did
not know how to care
for their children.
Skip forward two generations;
I remember Catherine and
William having some sort of
sessions with pre-delivery/
pre-natal nurses Also, William
was an EMT and EMT pilot.
Charles did change William's
and Harry's diapers. I think
if the marriage had not been
so fractious that he would
have spent more time with
the boys.
I somehow can't invision
Prince Philip changing
nappies. BUT he was
a royal naval officer who
had served on a combat
ship during WW2 -- So
he might have been
able to do it.😁
@@here_we_go_again2571 And I'm sure becoming a queen at 25, with two toddlers didn't help. Didn't she and Philip go on a world tour for a long time shortly after becoming queen? How can a kid not feel abandoned when your parents are suddenly traveling the world and too busy for you. If she could have been a mother as heir for more years, raised her children to an age where they could understand what was going on and why things changed the way they did...
@@jenniferdaniels701
Yes that Commonwealth tour(s) was
what George VI and his consort were
planning on doing before he became
ill.
The Commonwealth (a trading
and cultural bloc) was George VI's
pet, post-WW2 project. It still is
a great idea.
@@here_we_go_again2571 I think it's a good idea, too. But the timing of the tour wasn't good for the family as a family. As The Firm, it was business as usual- George VI can't make it, okay, send in his replacement, Elizabeth II.
Another example of why this series is so awesome.
I saw some very old footage of Her Majesty greeting her very young son, Charles after being away for weeks on a tour. She walked up to him and gave him a handshake. He was a little boy. Juxtapose that with Diana greeting her boys after being away, with them both running into her arms and Diana hugging and kissing them. Elizabeth might've been their mother, but she wasn't known for her warmth towards them.
Yes, very true. The show did such a good job of fleshing this out. The consequences of cold, aristocratic upbringings are so visible in Charles and Diana. However, you can also see signs of ‘golden child’ in that footage of Diana opening her arms wide. William, the ‘soulmate), rushes into them and Diana hugs him, while Harry stands there looking awkward for a moment.
"Anne's not lost."
Yep, she's definitely his favourite
With the right spouses Charles, Anne and Edward turned out all right. Poor Andrew is the spoiled brat who is hopelessly lost.
That's very true.
Andrew never would have
stood for a woman who
tried to dominate him.
Fergie just "went with the
flow" Neither of them are
deep thinkers.
@@here_we_go_again2571 Huh? Camilla SUPPORTS HM. Catherine supports William.
@@Pisti846
Yes, Camilla, unlike Diana, supports Charles! Catherine supports Wiliam
and Sophie supports Edward. Even
Fergie supports Andrew (they have
remained friends over the years)
Princess Anne's husband is also very
supportive of her and vice versa.
@@here_we_go_again2571Diana supported Charles, but she didn't allow him to have a mistress. Fergie didn't care about Andrew sexcapades because she did so herself. If these facts made you think Fergie was the supportive spouse instead of Diana, I pity the person who would become your spouse.
Very entertaining. Wonderful acting. but no one can know which topics Elizabeth and Phillip discussed in private, let alone the jist of their conversations.
This isn’t a documentary.
I think we do know that it was never this topic.
MOST of this show is contrived.....
May God rest our Queen for a job incredibly well done.
@@kittykatz4001 It's not a documentary??? Oh my God!!! How on earth did you figure that out? And thank you for being the first person (and not the MILLIONTH person) to point this out in the comments section. Thank you for sharing with us your superior ability to see these things. You are an impressively intelligent person.
It's hilarious that Philip compliments Liz on having been a largely absent parent.
Philip truly loved Elizabeth.
What do you expect him
to say?
"Yeah you messed up?"
*No!* He tried to ease her
pain and anxiety. There
was nothing she could
do at that time about
things that happened
years before!
@@here_we_go_again2571 There's another option; he could suggest they do better from that moment on.
A woman who has clearly been the child/grandchild of emotionally remote mothers could not offer her own children what she never had. Elizabeth did the best she could with this limitation and her adult children came to appreciate this.
That was the norm for the British upper classes, let alone the royals. For boys, that was followed by boarding school and then several years in the army or navy.
@@A_R_888her own parents were very loving and affectionate so that’s completely wrong what you said. People who have known the Queen have said they don’t know where her coldness came from to her children. People in royal circles have actually said Princess Margaret was a better mother than the Queen as she often cuddled her children which the Queen never did with her own.
They never had a chance. They didn't have a mother, they had a monarch.
Anne said she had very loving parents. Just they were away a lot.
@@MsJubjubbirdYou can’t be “loving” if you aren’t there.
Agree. 💯
Harsh
@@cje3247 she means that when they were there, they were very involved and nurturing. In an interview she was talking about the bedtime stories her father would come up with and such. And they sent letters and things when they were away. Just their jobs required them to travel
Philip knew that she was right, but there was no point in him pressing the point further because it would hardly have helped her to blame herself. It was too late for regrets: what was done was done, and no remorse or depression was going to change facts. She was a prisoner of her time and always went with the flow and buried her head in the sand hoping that problems would magically disappear if she didn't look at them. She had neither the strength, nor the education that would have allowed her to stand up to those bullies like Churchill or Lascelles, who shaped the first years of her reign and set her up for a disastrous approach to family life.
This conversation NEVER happened, it is an entirely fictional event, scripted by the writer's immagination for the TV show. You then like some silly little school child try to make something of fiction about the royal Family. Foolish, foolish child!
Alas, she had a job to do that did NOT allow ignoring her ministers.
She provided a supportive upbringing as she had received.
Given the post 1960 social prbadly. of society, she didn't do too bafly.
@@michaelplunkett8059 Actually, she did do bafly . That's why her kids turn out like that
"Charles is lost". Still is.
A natural still at loss with lost Harry every generation has a lost soul, like dark low notes on a sheet of music making the high notes the more precious to hear.
Honestly, I don't know how anyone can trust Charles, especially now that he's the king. To me, he's always come across as more than a bit sketchy, and I really don't know why he wasn't skipped for the crown.
You know you're talking about the king, right?
@user-gi8pk9uc7q I'm fully aware of whom I speak. If you look through the Bible, you'll notice that Monarchy is the type of government that God, Himself, uses to rule the people. In fact, the Kingdom of Heaven is a monarchy, with God on the throne. But you'll also see that A) no human king is perfect; they all have their flaws, and B) the successor to the throne was usually chosen from among the king's sons, and typically not the eldest, but the one that the king thought would be best suited to the job/vocation of leading the kingdom. Having watched Charles [albeit from a distance, and through the distorted lens of modern media] I have never thought that he was best suited to the job. And it appears that some other people, having called Charles a lost soul, are expressing a similar opinion in more subtle terms.
Furthermore, and in the context of this opinion, I'm a citizen of the United States. I hold no allegiance to the Crown. Nothing I say is intended with disrespect, but my opinion also really doesn't matter in the big picture. We haven't been subjects of the British crown in over 200 years.
@@TrialAndError8713 My dad is American, as was his dad, but my granny was British, she was a war bride, and my dad was born in London, so he has dual citizenship, as do myself and my younger brother!
The tragic result of playing favorites amongst your children. The Queen isn’t the only one guilty of this though….just horrible!!
It must be awful to be one of the other children, knowing this, and knowing that the whole world knows it too.
It's devastating for any child to hear or see his/her sibling being treated with special regard. Doubly so, if you hear that information gets out in the world.
Fat lot of good favouritism did Andrew. The worst of the bunch.
Charles may have had his moments with regard to his love life (but they were certainly not all his fault). At heart though, despite being a bit naïve in some regards, he is a very good man.
Edward is a good sort as well. I met him a few times, friendly, kind.
Whereas Charles makes a good king, Anne would have made a great queen. Intelligent, wise, always had this extra awareness as a child (apparently). She takes no nonsense from anyone, and is a no-nonsense person in return. She tells it like it is.
I think the Royal Family's best hope for recovery is in William and Catherine. They seem to be ideally suited to the job and to each other, and well loved by the people. Catherine is much more stable than Diana ever was, and thank goodness William hasn't inherited that instability (no outward signs anyhow). Lovely little set of children. I think it's a good thing for the Royal Family to modernise a bit, for the parents to be more involved with their children's lives. Historically, the British Royal Family has been fraught with parent-child relationship problems due to the weight of duty, power and expectations. Some might view their lives as luxurious, when the truth is every facet of it is so tightly controlled, most of us would break under the strain. I definitely would not want it.
For “royalty”, they lose some of their humanity.
Not some but 99 %humanity out of 100%
@ tconcotelli
If her father had lived longer;
and if the world situation post-
WW2 and during the earliest
days of the Commonwealth
had been more peaceful (i.e.
no Cold War with Joe Stalin
threatening to take over Europe
and China going Communist)
the situation would have been
very different for Elizabeth II.
She loved being a naval officer's
wife and she made quite a few
friends (and had a "normal" life)
when she was only Princess
Elizabeth.
And they lack it
Apparently there are many scales of poverty.Not just monetary scale.
Remember she was 26yo when she became Queen. She was the youngest world leader and Head of an Empire.
On top of all that she had to be a mother as well.
All because of a responsibility forced on her by a selfish, irresponsible, disloyal uncle Edward III, a man with no honour.
Her Late Majesty carried the Nation and The Commonwealth on her back for 70 years.
May God give her a well-deserved rest.
I think you will find that is was the commonwealth who carried the british, including the royals on their backs.
The Commonwealth! How are they meant to have carried the British?
Her strength and stay.....
What a pitiful lot they are. Just one constant,
long, never-ending car crash.
What a ridiculous system to make a family so insanely privileged but also so intensely miserable.
William and his family are fine.
These two are such powerhouse actors, we forget it’s not the real Royal family. Coleman and Menzies are chefs kiss 😘
For those condemning them, you should remember their upbringing. Elizabeth had nannies. Philip had them. It is the norm for Royals & the very wealthy. Elizabeth had the luxury of her family being intact, but her parents were thrust into Public life when Edward abdicated. She and Margaret were still young girls. She saw duty put above everything. Philip's family unit was torn apart when he was young. When you consider this, they did the best they could. Was it perfect? No. But it wasn't intentionally abusive. And their kids, especially Charles and Andrew, seemed to wallow in inappropriate behavior. Which helped to create their own failures as husbands and fathers. Along comes Harry ... who also enjoyed taking things to the limit. It is behavior, in part, due to upbringing and also personality traits . The latter being hereditary.
Harry had a mother who loved him and his brother. That love was cruelly ripped away when she was killed. Williams behavior is far worse. He bullied Harry even at a young age and used him to cover up his awful behavior. Diana saw this and did her level best to stop it before her death. Unfortunately, her passing threw both boys into a loveless environment at a young age. Neither ever fully recovered.
That's not how it works. Some people struggle straight into the nursing home over things that emotionally and spiritually affected them negatively during childhood! They will find things to keep them distracted, but it is not the healing they require. If you can't be a fully invested parent (mentally, emotionally and physically) you have no business having children. Especially for reasons given here. Elizabeth wasn't a bad person, but she made excuses for areas where she struggled (in some cases willingly) and her children suffered. Phillip was no better!
Why did Philip never care that his sons were bullied at school? Very strange man. This part of the programme was true as Charles often complained in letters he was severely bullied at Gordonstoun but his parents didn’t seem to care. They never took him out of the school. Both Philip and the Queen must have lacked empathy.
It used to be common to regard bullying as character-building for children, so parents and teaches did not always discourage it. Sexual abuse was condoned too.
Being bullied at school back in the day was seen as a non issue, as long as someone didn't leave in an ambulance most parents didn't intervene.
What would Prince Phillip know about what it takes to be a good mother. He was basically a royal hobo until he got a young princess Elizabeth to marry him.
Queen Mary, is that you? 😆😆😆
@@DarlingNikki2more like the queen mother😂
@@back.in.december Yeah, she didn't care for Philip, either, at least in the beginning, but Queen Mary had some very definite thoughts against him and his 'peasant' royal family. She seemed like a really unpleasant person but perhaps it was the times and circumstances she was in that shaped her to be so.
It’s crazy cause her mother and the king were so involved so how when and where did it not translate for her
When Charles and Anne were little , she was busy starting her reign, she was the original working mum , by the time Andrew and Edward were born in the 1960's she was able to spend more time with them, No parent is perfect but all four knew their mum loved them .
@@sarahudson108yet Andrew turned out to be the one with the most issues in real life.
@sarahudson108 Please she sent them to live with her parents and Margaret while Philip was in the Navy
I don’t think she was alone. My parents were not demonstrative. It was that generation.
The Duke of Edinburgh was more damaged than any of them, and he carried on. Broke everyone’s heart when they hurt his story.
Yeah. I don't believe they had any kind of self revelations about the grim parenting or that they ever had a conversation like this.
Sadly royalty has never been a good system in which to raise well-adjusted people. Some of them get through it better or worse than others but it affects them all in some way or other.
There is no doubt she loved and felt a duty toward her whole family.
EDWARD turned out fine.....
and now that CHARLES has CAMILA by his side , he is doing great
He's a totalitarian WEF hypocrite.
😬
as long as you can turn a blind eye to the violated young girls and a dead wife, sure everything turned out hunky-dory.
@@pwp8737 what are you talking about?
@@glen7318Diana and Andrew molesting young girls obviously! 🤦♂️🙄
Between "The King's Speech" and "The Crown" and Harry's tell-all book, my big takeaway is that the monarchy is a bizarre, dysfunctional environment that creates damaged people in relationships that range from decent at best to completely toxic at worst. I'm sure the queen did try to be the best mother she could given her circumstances. Unfortunately, sometimes your best just isn't enough.
Andrew was and still is a disgusting pile of slime though.
She was a cold distant mother…
She spent alot of time cleaning up everyones messes. Some were just too needy.
I believe the whole point is that neither of them were very intuitive parents. And how could they have been given their own childhoods?! 🤷🏻♀️
The Queen had a lovely childhood what are you talking about? 🙄
@@daniellefrancis1476 Oh I'm sure she did, but of course she had very "busy" parents. Although they might have had more of a family life and more quality time with each-other than when Queen Elizabeth became a mother herself, because she had to become the mother of the nation so quickly.
We certainly know how Andrew sort himself out
Let’s face it - they were terrible parents.
Parents know their children. They ache for ones who are lost. It is difficult being the middle child. People want to make their own marks in the world.
In many ways, 2 of them are still "lost."
The queen realized what a terrible mother she was. She was never nothing but a narcissist. She was a terrible human being.
Randy Andy is living proof that an apple can fall very far from the tree.
he is just like Prince Phillip
He looks nothing like Philip and has none of his intelligence. He does though look exactly like the Queens good friend Porchie. Look at pictures of both. It's quite remarkable.
Such a good scene!
Indeed "As for Andrew......"
Jesus ANDREW was the favorite? If there is any truth to this then that explains…a lot.
He was lol
Prince Edward is not a failure in my opinion. He's had some minor setbacks but who hasn't?
When the heck did Edward _ever_ seem vengeful in real life? The worst that "Spitting Image" could come up with was that he and his future wife were life big kids having fun fun fun.
In his younger years he actually WAS a bit of a brat. He quit the Royal Marines and until he married Sophie there was even a rumor he was gay. He seems like one of the cooler royals now and his show was well received! But in the 80s and 90s he was not as easy tolerable
@maestroclassico5801 I remember him quitting the Marines. There were a lot of comments about him being useless and going to work for Andrew Lloyd Webber. I didn't pay enough attention to know if he'd been a brat about it.
At least he serms to have knuckled down and followed his Aunt's example to just get on with it.
@@zacmumblethunder7466 yes this! He had a couple of moments where he snapped at the press. Charles and Andrew weren't that great with the press but they never snapped at them. For all her "attitude" when younger, Anne was probably the best of the lot when being interviewed.
It was Andrew.
That’s what happens when a mother never even prepares a single meal or does a single maternal duty for her children. No surprise. They are all dysfunctional!
nonsense
@@glen7318 fact
You can still love your kids even if you don’t cook for them. I know a few husbands that does their kids cooking yet their wives still manage to be brilliant mothers.
Can confirm, my father was the cook in our house and as a consequence I am now a serial killer
She did for Charles and Anne before she became Queen..
She allowed Andrew to become a monster.
The favorite usually does
Andrew looks just like her good friend Porchie. Same head, same hair, and he was her favorite. Odd.
Disagree, she didn't allow it, Andrew was a full grown adult who made his own horrible decisions.
There's no doubt that Queen Elizabeth did her best with what she had, to raise her children and keep her family together. Case in point, when she whisked her grandsons away from London after their mother died. It was her instinctual response to be a grandmother in that moment. Say what you want, the woman did her best. She is, after all, one of the greatest British Monarchs in history.
She wasn't the greatest. She was a pushover who did what she was told by the men in grey suits. Throughout this series she never puts her foot down and ends up doing what's she's been told. Queen Victoria was the greatest because she built the British empire and wasn't anyone's puppet.
@@nomahope3182 that "puppet" managed to sit for 70 years on the British throne.. Surpassing Queen Victoria's 63 years. Queen Vic mourned herself to her grave. Queen Elizabeth II knew how to control her emotions and lead. But hey, even Sir Winston did say Britain almost always fared well under the rulers hip of her Queens so, you're not actually wrong
Her conclusion… she doesn’t like any of them
It’s a script. A story. Fiction!
This is but the real Family is exactly like this.
Historical Fiction =
To fill in the gaps from
diaries, testimonies,
interviews, etc..
Not historical fact --
A blending of fact
and fiction.
why do people choose to watch a scripted show on netflix and get annoyed when it's not a documentary lol
The real Family is exactly like this. Deal with it
It doesn’t matter no one was more involved, more loving warmer, more caring, more supportive than I was in my Charles is just a selfish and self-absorbed as hers. Should’ve just gone shopping with my friends and hired a nanny.
Playing favorites is never a good idea!
It's almost like this institution isn't an appropriate place to raise children, who'd a thunk it
Charles was the lost one! Anne was the bossy one, Andrew was the chicky one, and Edward was the difficulty.
En cual cabeza puede caber.. hacerle saber a un hijo que :
"su hermano es el hijo preferido de su madre...."
tanto lujo y tanto dinero, para tan poca educación y mínima sabiduría....!!!
They should have told their children- whoever is in LOVE with an aristocratic or gets married will be the next king or Queen. They could have got the list of all the west- Europe, Dutch,/Muslim/Japaneses/etc royals across the globe and let them( prince/princess) choose..If they dint find love, at least they would have found "a True friend for life". Not everyone meets their SOUL mates.
You marry a commoner/aristocratic and still can get Divorced..
Being a "Prince in power" getting married to another "princess in power" and having children is far better than getting married to NON-aristocratic and having children.
Favorite child, lol!! Shouldn't be sth like that. Philip triggered the point of who the "champ" is the Coleman(Elizabeth) is more divided between being a mother and Queen. Like the mistakes i made in the youth(2 firsts) the repairing with the next one's 2.0 but seem worried with the road are taken at that time line!! My opinion is before death and facing God judgement there's no much place of favorites, more like a soul how can be saved and pass the other kingdom, the "Kingdom of Heaven".
That was kinda hard to watch.
She might have not been the most intuitive mother, but yes I can confess that she was a wonderful grandmother to those 8, more in particularly to Harry and William, even though Harry caused her so much pain in final days.
And you know this how? Did you live with her to know that she a wonderful grandmother?
@@nomahope3182it’s kind of a ‘right of passage’… hopeless parents often make wonderful grandparents, while we - their children - watch on in mystified disbelief.
Theres also footage of QEII with her grandkids. And their respect and warmth towards their Grandmother speaks volumes.
I feel like Andrew was bred of a mom who spoiled him, a racist dad, all the money in the world, and a family unit that rarely showed loving affection. Lethal combination.
How was his father racist?
@@catherineadair9078we have to have someone is racist on every comment section, didn’t you know 😂
I knew someone who met them both. She said he was the biggest sleaze and his mother just beamed at him in blissful ignorance like he was a prize stallion. He is the real spare and was probably over indulged out of guilt. Anne was Princess Royal and an athlete, and Edward was the baby with no possibility of succession.
@@MsJubjubbird "them" as in Elizabeth and Andrew, I presume?
@@anglobostonian yes
I knew some mothers that spoke of one or more of their children as throw backs. The two of them never said a good word about the kid . Other kids they had were top notch first class and so on but one or two of them were nothing more then garbage
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What about Andrew? Has he changed?
No. Andrew was always
a spoilt, entitled brat.
Philip was chiefly concerned
with Charles and Anne. Elizabeth
busied herself with the younger
two boys.
Philip did not neglect Andrew
or Edward, but they came
along several years after
Charles and Anne. Philip
was not overly involved
with the younger two
boys. As they grew older,
they also bonded with him.
Andrew had to settle out of a trial of sexual assault against minors. I would say no.
I have no problem with older adults who always needed psychotherapy that they never had when they were younger, while they choose to still be socially engaged. I get it, it’s a generational thing even though it’s never too late in life to get therapy. But it doesn’t entitle them to continue to infect the world with their dysfunction on everybody, starting with their adult children later in their lives. My divorced parents try to pull that shit on me, and I don’t have it to keep them in check at least the last time I ever spoke to them, as I don’t care who they are. They didn’t do me any favors bringing me into the world!! If that bothers anyone then you take them as parents, will you?
This is why I refuse to have any kind of relationship with my immediate family starting with my parents now in their 80s as they are all too toxic dysfunctional sociopathic, why I am the happiest of my siblings as they never got the therapy they needed like I did and for them, it shows, and why I choose to be happy that I am and that shows.
The thing is, I don’t think I could do all this while being a royal . . . And that’s the problem with the royal family . . . Not only do they have to put up with each other’s toxic dysfunction, but the rest of us in the public have to put up with it in some way as well . . .
Great acting. But I don't know how much of the story in The Crown is to be taken as reality. Do we really know that much about the intimate lives of these people?
Yeah, nearly all of this is based on leaks from staff and friends, unauthorized biographies dubiously sourced, and a lot of supposition and speculation on the part of the writers. There was also quite a bit of dramatic license. Good series, but should be taken with a grain of salt. Still they probably capture a good feel of the changes throughout her life.
You do realise that none of the private conversations actually happened? Why speculate on what is essentially a fictional account of conversations that no one knows if they even happened, let alone who said what to whom. The makers of the series have repeatedly refused to put a disclaimer at the beginning of each show stating that the show is a work of fiction as they believe people understand that they made up these private scenes and conversations for dramatic purposes. Apparently not if some of the comments here are an example.
Some people think sugary soda is a health drink, does that need a warning too? When do people take responsibility for themselves?
Why oh why do all these clips appear so dark and gloomy?
The real Family is exactly like this.
How could parents have a favorite child, how awful is that!
Every parent has a favorite child that is just reality lol
Like Philip said, any honest parent will admit to having a favorite child. That doesn't mean that you don't love the other children.
I think everyone has a favourite. That’s pretty normal
most do, even if they never admit it.
Whatever child is politer, more helpful, funnier, or easiest to bond with is what would be considered for a favourite child. It doesn’t mean the parents don’t love each child, but it can be troubling for a child to hear it, which is why any parent who would have a favourite child won’t admit it.
Why is everything so dang dark in these clips? So glad I didn’t pay for this series.
I wonder if they still pay others to wipe their butts for them. Prolly.
in days of social media thoughts like - Am/Was I good mother appear fashionable. Outside of social media such bull crap did not exist. The bond between child and mother is unique. It is something that is business of the child and the mother alone. Others opinion do not matter in this case.
Sadly, mothers have been hurting themselves with the “was/am I a good mother” question for much longer than social media has been around. Well, at least in the U.S., which is where my experience is. It seemed like that question started in the last two decades of the 20th century (for the U.S.). But I agree that social media has made it worse.
@@Elizabeth-tq7qw Thats same as asking one self am I best version of myself - its part of continuous improvement. What social media has done is forced mothers to look at mothers around them and then judge themselves based on others experiences of motherhood. That is so so sick at every level. Every mum-child relationship is unique. The twinkle in ur childs eyes will communicate, the trust the child places in u..the bond u feel towards the child will tell u whether u experienced the joys of motherhood...nothing else..
Before social media there were the magazines. I am sure most parents do the best job they can.
@@MsJubjubbirdNot all.
@@MsJubjubbird really..I thought this was due to social media invention. Too much intrusion into what is very a private thing. Some parents have stronger nesting instinct than others. Not sure what these magazines and social media channels are selling and why do they find an audience.
Jeffrey Epstein was Andrew’s Eddie Haskell.
The whole family, generation after generation, has never understood the fundamentals of child-rearing, which starts with a loving mother-infant bond upon which the baby can depend. Providing a mother's unconditional love is not something you can pay someone else to do.
Since the mother of Queen Victoria's wicked "Kensington system" and all the way through, it has been a disaster until, probably, the current generation. Queen Victoria was actually JEALOUS if her children achieved happiness! Victoria's son, Edward VII was shameless serial adulterer throughout his life, and her daughter Vicky's cruel abuse of her disabled son who later waged war against his own grandmother's and mother's country, are just 2 clearest examples. Kaiser Wilhelm even wrote erotic love-letters to his mother when young, so desperate was he for maternal love.
Prince Andrew's behaviour is hardly unexpected given his largely absent mother. At the time of her death, the mother of the little boys William and Harry was not at home with/for them as my mother was for me at 10 years old, but Princess Diana was away on a 'naughty' weekend with her boyfriend! .....it goes on and on....
And my pity goes to Edward VIII who was a pathetic disaster waiting to happen, given his cruel & loveless upbringing. His mother had the maternal warmth of an iceberg, and his father was a cruel disciplinarian. (Prince John's story shocks us nowadays.)
History will blame Edward VIII, but that is to blame the victim. He was a textbook example in the field of developmental psychology of maternal deprivation studies beginning with Bowlby etc and developed since .
Back in the day of Victoria's
"Kensington system" that sort
of thing was the norm for a
young man -- Victoria had to
be prepared like a young man
(with the exception of military)
to be a ruler. Also, she was
deprived of a social life ---
I think that she should have been
allowed to have some friends,
but back in those days royals
did not mix with outsiders.
Some of the relatives of Victoria's
father were sketchy characters.
(Especially Prince Ernest Augustus,
Duke of Cumberland and Teviotdale;
who became the king of Hanover ...
Ruled: 1837 -- 1851)
The equivalent of High School
(grades 9-12) didn't catch on in
UK until the creation of "public"
schools ---that were open to the
sons of nobles as well as royals
(with scholarships for very
intelligent -- "worthy" boys too)
These were not the state schools
(i.e. taxpayer-funded) that were
open to anyone who could afford
not to have their child in the
workforce.
It took awhile for that sort of thing
(privately funded female academies)
to catch on for women too. Back
then most women did not become
well educated.
She was a horrible parent. Father seems aloof about hus own children .
Reading these comments is hilarious. Just a reminder folks….this is not real. Now read that again…THIS IS NOT REAL 🤣
The real Family is exactly like this. Deal with it
@@uafc1 Never before has the expression ‘you need to get out more’ been more appropriate 🤣🤣🤣. I hope you’re young, I really do, because if you’re not you’re in serious trouble 🤦♀️🤣
@@ruthhogg6423 Did I hit a nerve there? You seem very upset in that comment lol. So, let's go ahead and say it again to put a finger in that wound. The real Family is exactly like this. Deal with it
@@uafc1 Not even close to hitting a nerve…I’m laughing at your ignorance and naivety. The inability to distinguish fact from fiction is normally something associated with childhood, but the fact you think this drama is a true representation of the Royal Family is beyond funny to me. So there’s no wound whatsoever, you’ve just given me a good laugh 🤣
I quite dislike this actor’s portrayal of Phillip.