Debunking Audio Myths. Cables Don't Make a Difference
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Diminishing returns happens almost immediately with cables.
Speaker cables matter more assuming we are talking about decent made cables. Use a decent gauge thickness and you are fine.
A quick thought on placebo: If a placebo is as cheap as a sugar pill and makes you feel better, go for it. But you want to pause before spending $4,000 on better speaker wire for perceived/hoped for placebo improvements. You might have been happier buying a nicer processor or better speakers.
So if anyone's trying to use the placebo argument for themselves, make sure to also give some thought to what the trade-off would be for that money used elsewhere in your system. It might still be worth that trade-off to you, but give it a good thought first.
It doesn't make sense to most people, but to some the simple act of spending $4,000 on a speaker cable will absolutely "improve" the sound quality of their system. Perception is everything, and people who have been conditioned to believe that "you get what you pay for" don't actually care about quantifiable factors. The simple act of spending large sums of money for something that either doesn't measurably make a difference or that is obviously a standard product dressed up to make it "high end" lead to perceived improvements for many people.
People like the guy who made this video always believe that the "placebo effect" is operating on other people -- but not on them. Yet it is obvious that a placebo effect exists if people are put off by the price of cables and therefore, through their anger, are determined not to acknowledge that they make ANY difference at all. As long as we're talking placebo effects, let's be honest about it.
@@alexthekunz if someone is spending $4000 on speaker cables chances are they already have a nice processor/setup. I personally don’t hope for improvements as I try before I buy. If the product performs as I anticipated then I buy it and if not I move on. Hope is never my strategy. You should stop all of your assumptions about how and what others should spend their money on as it’s their money not yours.
@@williamdirks5805haha, I love this.
I sell audiophile grade cables on the side, and I always tell my clients these are to dress up your system. Yes they will perform fine, but they are Jewelry.
We should not focus on cables being jewelry, but rather are there differences in the way cables sound in a system? A highend system benefits from synergy and finding the right cable loom for a given system has to be taken into account. Yes there is a price to performance difference but below that difference I believe there are real benefits to highend cables if your system is transparent.
I like this view. I am totally good with this.
@@ProfoundAV-123 My low end cables are dressed up Monoprice 12-4 in twisted pairs. But I try to go all out on the high-end. They are basically tricked out Kimber cables that measure even better. Because of the type of connector, solder, and changes to the pattern. I even offer fully dipped silver versions. However, I go by the numbers, I cannot say with certainty these will change the way the system sounds. I can only optimize the cables, so they wont get in the way of the system’s performance.
Good to hear about your honesty with customers.
@@VIctorCarruyosounds like some nice stuff. Keep up the good work
I typically use Mogami gold balanced cables in the studio, along with some Canare cables and some cables from Benchmark. I also have Blue Jeans speaker cables, as well as Benchmark speaker cables with Speak-on connectors for my AHB2 amp. I simply prefer quality, well-made cables from respected companies primarily in the pro arena. There are individuals, companies, and retailers who swear by fancy thousand-dollar cables, but there's a reason this stuff isn't in top mixing and mastering studios.
Agree and you can make them look nice yourself!
Exactly, studios do not use hi-fi cables
A cable only has a loss after 328 feet, and the strength of what has to pass through the thickness has an important role amp, watts, ohms etc...
The right cables can make a HUGE difference in a positive way. Something is really screwed up when someone can't hear such huge improvements. Psychological bias than can override a sound quality that is obviously 50% better, ridiculous comparison methods, bad hearing, bad equipment, bad choice of recordings; bad choice of cables (some are not worth their high price), bad sonic memory,.Or ALL of the above. If it's ALL of the above, that is really screwed up. Like I said, something is really screwed up when someone can't hear a 20% or better difference. Many can hear a 2% difference.
The late Julian Hirsch, of Stereo Review magazine said in print that there are no audible differences between amplifiers, assuming they have enough power. He obviously couldn't "hear" & alarmingly was the head of probably the biggest stereo publication in the world. A reviewer from another magazine said that when reviewers would see Julian Hirsch at audio shows, they had an irresistable urge to sneak up from behind him and look into his ear.
Gene's coat hanger experiment was the convincer for me. Perhaps there could be a foil gum wrapper test to dethrone the coat hanger?😁
A wet shoestring maybe?
Try a decent powercable against the standard one i can hear a different. A good design compenent like Precision 727 sound very good with a standard one. It all comes how the power is handeld in the compenent.
Great video, Matt. It's nice to see you pop up in my hobbies. I appreciate the Blue Jeans recommendation... this is exactly the kind of vendor I was seeking. Sam C. from Indiana.
Hear, hear. I couldn’t agree more!
Simple experiment anyone that needs convincing of Matt Poes statement can do at home .
Have a friend blindfold you and set up your system to enable quick swap of cables . Let them take notes . You will choose from the sound you hear , blind which cable is in use . He/ she should level match and call you back into the room when the swap can be made .
You will even “ hear differences “ when no swap is made .
I tried it in my “ audiophile grade” $100k plus system , with a good friend and it changed my life for the better .
Gone were all my fancy cables , expensive dacs and life is now simple. I enjoy the music much more !( Yes , the same can be done with Uber expensive dacs vs $500 Dac .)
Thank you for again for a great video , Matt !
Hmmm. Not thinkingI believe this, and that you ever had a 100k system at all, and are now satisfied with cheap stuff. Either you can't hear or discriminate anymore, or this is a lie. I would strongly giess the latter.
The system now costs 120k if you are curious . Yes , I’ve done away with fancy cables and dacs . I spent the rest on acoustic treatment and better surround speakers , subwoofers and using Dirac . Much better enjoyment over chasing fantasy upgrades .
Even after auditioning 3 separate AVR's, the same ambient sound of the room was still present! That told me the unwanted faint background signal noise I had been experiencing (poor description) had nothing to do with the actual units. Therefore, my attention changed to the cables. And even then It was only on the third occasion after I finally purchased shielded cables that the noise floor within my small room finally came down to satisfactory levels.
Cables often act as antennas for attracting RF, and the longer the cable, the better the antenna. Probably explains why when I used to disconnect my heights and surrounds within 10 minutes, the faint background signal noise (RF/EMI) within my small room used to disappear/dissipate.
The more cables I shield, the quieter my room becomes, and the better the shielding, the more the chance the cables are likely to disappear.
If one has the same sensitivities and is looking to address this matter, but is also hoping to notice (hear) the incremental differences, I would suggest starting with analogue cables before moving on to digital and power cables.
Trying to achieve a totally silent room sadly has turned into obsession for me. However, the results speak for themselves. When pressing pause (or mute), my small room has now become so quiet that I'm actually unable to differentiate whether the system is on or off. Of course, audiophile equipment helps, but in reality, for one to have a totally silent room, cables are where it's at.
When friends or guests come over, I used to show them how loud the system goes. Now I prefer to press mute and show them how my quiet it goes
None of them gets it, of course 😂
I agree with every thing you said. Nothing wrong with "leaning into" placebo, including the look of speakers and other gear. You are the one that has to look at it every day so if it makes a difference to you, thats all that matters. But, at the same time, I think its healthy to be able to reason with yourself whether you would notice a difference in a blind AB test. Its OK to pick something you just like better even if you know you probably wouldn't hear or see a difference.
I used to believe cables didn't make a difference also ... but they I started to get very subtle noise in the line ... thought it was my speakers, turned out it was a line wire (not properly shielded) running across a power brick. Swapped out the cable for a Mogami and the noise went away. Similar issue with my iPhone triggers clicks and noise ... at first I thought it was a problem with my speakers/monitors ($8000 Genelecs), but turns out it was once again an poor quality cable that claimed to be shielded but apparently not well enough ... swapped that cable out with Mogami and no clicks/sounds when my iPhone is triggered. I'm not sure I buy the zero Oxygen copper BS, but I do buy the proper shielding and quality connectors (can't tell you how many cheap connectors I had that got stuck in an XLR port on my audio interfaces). Of course, I don't do high voltage signals, all my stuff is low voltage line level balanced XLR/TRS and those feed monitors. I don't know why anyone would go the "speaker" if they care about audio quality ... monitors or headphones.
I agree 100%. When I have a visiting audiophile listen to my system, they're all impressed by what 1.7i MGs in acif mode can produce with Purifi amps. After 2-3 hours of listening, I show them the back of the DSP and the cheap XLR cables I use, and I can read their thoughts directly in their wide eyes. The same goes for the speaker cables, just OFC multi-strand with a good cross-section and adapted to the spectrum to be reproduced. What counts for me is sound quality, not impressing my neighbour...
@@Pierre-Leloup why does it always come back to price. It matters more in terms of synergy. You seem to have figured out what works best in your system and uses it as gotcha moments with your friends. However, your cabling might not suit someone else’s setup unless you use identical gear and an identical space.
@earlebeckford1 These cables allow my system to express itself, they do what they are designed to do, conduct the signal from my DAC to my DSP and then from the DSP to the amplifiers. If there were any "synergy" problem as you say, it would be between the impedances between the electronics, these cables would make absolutely no difference, unless they were really very poor quality. Bye the way, you can judge for yourself on my "YT channel".
@@Pierre-Leloup I think we are saying the same thing as I stated if all things were equal the cabling will allow your system to express itself. There is also preference silver vs copper conductors with present dofferently so that has to be taken into account in terms of sounding bright vs warm.
@earlebeckford1 A long time ago, I made 0.8mm pure silver RCA cables with Teflon tubing. The sound was brighter than with copper, didn't like that much... Years after when I changed to better electronics and excellent speaker drivers, then you realise that you have gained in resolution and realism. The bass is also tighter, while copper has a more 'romantic' quality. I'm building higher resolution speakers now with Bliesma drivers, maybe I can gain some % SQ in the future switching to silver cable XLR's!
@@Pierre-Leloup yeah same here. Upgrading my electronics opened up more resolution also. Now I’m on a journey to get the right cables in place for my setup and taste. So far the Nordost tyr2 cable line is what I’m going with since I went with the tyr2 usb cable I plan to upgrade to the cable loom from top to bottom or as close to the bottom. I’ll check out you channel as you recommended.
What’s your thoughts on high quality crossover parts, have you done any comparisons?
I have. Better caps and components does infact make a difference. In a sense it can open up the sound and Soundstage.
@@ufarkingicehole I agree I also have had a positive experience with point to point wired crossovers with higher quality parts 👍🏻🔈 I feel it all matters and can all make a difference
I've spent some time looking for bulk cables and I've come down to some double shielded coaxial cables form belden. They go for 4€ per metre, so you can make a 1 meter RCA pair for just 14€, including the connectors. I went for the belden 1505A wich is a solid 20AWG copper conductor, breaded copper shield 95% and 100% foil shield. They are very low capacitance (55pF/m) so they are ideal for turntable use too. I am very happy with them and I don't think there is a better option, especially for the price. Turntable sits perfectly quiet. The only con is that they are not very flexible. Highly recommend!
P.S. Audiophile cables never come with electrical specs, so they are trying to sell marketing bs.
Belden 1505 is coaxial TV cable ... made for radio frequencies.
Try a more traditional "microphone" cable, it will be more flexible, easier to solder and likely to last a lot longer.
@@Douglas_Blake_579 It is a video cable indeed, but works for audio too. The 75ohm impedance doesn't matter in the audio frequency, so it works like a fine shielded copper cable. The problem with microphone cables is that are made for XLR connection and they have a pair of conductors inside, which means that the capacitance of the cable is high, so not ideal for turntable use.
@@giannismag3064
The problem with stiff cables, especially rf cables is that they can be rigid enough to break connectors on the back your equipment and equally difficult to manage behind an equipment cabinet.
For example: Canare GS4 is a Shield+1, 22awg instrument cable that is much thinner and more flexible.
But I've always found that DIY for RCA cables, especially short ones, is a bit of a waste of both time and money. It's better just to buy the pre-made bargain priced ones. There's no reason to go exotic for a 1 or 2 metre cable, they're only handling microwatts of power, so just about any old piece of shielded wire is going to work.
Thanks for the video. I’ve stated making my own speaker cables. I buy the gauge and length I need and put on 2 screw lock banana plugs. For XLR I’ve bought from Blue Jeans and SVS. Quality cables and not overpriced. Rock on.
Hi. I don’t like to see cables hidden is the best look. Also, a few years ago I took my Monster Cable to Frank Prows Hifi here in Perth Western Australia, they were a top supplier and installers of home theatre products. Now they specialise in Hi End stereo only. David Prowse, connected my Monster cable to a system, then played a track in a player, when it finished, he made up a pair of Omni cables, the copper looked the same as the Monster Cable, but, the Omni cable had arrows along the cable showing the direction it was to be fitted, arrows point towards the speakers, he then played the same track with no changes accept that the different speaker cables, my wife couldn’t care what the sound was like, but, she could notice an improvement, I noticed a big improvement. The Omni cable was AU$15 per meter. Why spend thousands of dollars on speakers and equipment, and buy cheap cable for the speakers. You won’t get the performance and quality sound from the speakers. Re Gary
Listen I thought cables didn’t make a difference but I was wrong. I have Martin Logan 15 bookshelf speakers and used a Rotel Tribute amp to A/B test cables. The Rotel amp makes A/B testing easy as the amp allows you to connect 2 zones of speakers essentially and instantly switch back and forth between them. I had shit Best Buy garbage cables and swapped them for a well reviews cable on Amazon and then again for Worlds Best Cables from Amazon. The world’s best cables sounded the best. It was very obvious in A/B testing. It wasn’t like a huge difference but a noticeable difference and when it comes to Audiophile stuff people pay a lot of money for small noticeable differences. This is one of the cheapest noticeable differences you can go for to just buy Worlds Best Cables from Amazon and improve your sound.
I even swapped the cables to both Zones to make sure there wasn’t some inherent difference in the Zones of the Rotel Amp where one side sounded better. I still got same results.
If you have great speakers, and you have a great amp, I think you absolutely will benefit from great cables.
Well here is my anecdote. I’ve used actual ABX blind testing rigs with totally transparent signal paths to AB cables and failed every time. As did everyone who participated. We tested well over a dozen cables.
Take my experience (and that is far from the only time I’ve ever done such testing) and add in the dearth of published studies which also failed to find anything, and the end conclusion for me is, they don’t make a difference.
Cables can make a difference and sometimes significant.
For my system @Matthew Pose I learned how to build RCA cables, and XLR cables, etc . To me my system sounds very well without the wire candy. I agree with you 100% about if it sounds good to you that's all that matters. Some measurements can be misleading to some. Versus listening with your ears. Also copper is one of the best conductors besides silver. Not copper clad that is the cheapest way out. But I'm not putting it down for those that cannot afford pure copper. Sometimes some people have to make do with what they can afford. At the end of the day, is what and how it makes you feel. This is a great hobby of learning, , experimenting . An experiencing.
Who can't afford pure copper? Someone that can't afford a crap Chinese class d mini amp perhaps
I'm a big fan of Van Damme cables. Well made pro audio cables at sensible prices, both for balanced audio and speaker cables.
One of my integrator friends in England uses them. I don’t have direct experience but it looks like solid no-nonsense stuff.
Best video by far I have seen yet on cables I could not agree with you more about every single thing that came out of your mouth!!!! Great video thanks..my friend........🍺🍺👍👍👍👍👍👍
Yup, have been using Blue Jeans Canare 4S11 speaker cables with those welded on banana plugs for years. Also use their LC-1’s but Cardas hardwired to my turntable. Blue Jeans is a great company with a no BS approach. Wouldn’t mind trying their iconoclast cables, but I doubt any difference of true significance would be noticeable enough between the different types of cables
Those Worlds Best Cables are really nice too. Quality cable and plugs
I can hear a difference between shielded and non-shielded RCA interconnects. I can't hear a difference between DAC's. Power cables just make no difference. XLR over LONG distances can be effected.
I currently have a Geshelli Labs DAC …the souped up J2 with the best chips and Sparkos op amps I just bought 4 weeks ago. I also have the Denafrips Ares II DAC. You can indeed hear differences in DACs.
I tested both using a Schiit Midgard to Ananda Nano headphones and also used a Geshelli Archel Pro headphone amp. I prefer the Geshelli DAC paired with the Schiit Midgard amp.
There are differences to everything. And pairings of one thing to another produces yet another difference result.
So most people care? Probably not. But audiophiles do and love these major or minor differences and love discovering new pairings to get something new or different in sound.
So glad you answered this question in this way. Can you give an example of a class D amp with a good damping factor vs one with a bad damping factor, and how this will affect the sound and performance?
Well low damping factor Clsss D is increasingly uncommon. But sure I can probably do that. Hypex and Purifi have supremely high damping factor. Texas Instruments Class D chip amps used to be a classic example but anymore their better amps are actually quite good. Before I give concrete examples I want to check some spec sheets.
I will say many of the high damping factor amps measure really well. It’s not the damping factor that gives them good sound. Rather the better engineering gets a higher damping factor as a byproduct.
@@PoesAcoustics thanks! I just got a hypex so I probably won’t have to worry about low damping it it seems
@@dougleydorite
Technically speaking ... you wouldn't have to worry about it in any case. Any DF over 10 is going to work just fine.
I'll answer your question in my upcoming videos
I use kimber kable 4v# speaker wire and it sounds better than regular cable was same gauge. It's to do with the lower inductance reducing high frequency roll off from the kimber braiding.
I always thought that twisted cables (not braided) should have inductance (cos of the twists).
@@Justwantahover Kimber 4VS has a series induction of 0.25uH /meter. Regular copper cable is around 1.2 - 1.5uH /meter. Twisting the conductors will also lower inductance also, but not as much as braided that costs more money to produce than twisted. Klotz make some twisted studio cable is priced very good, I looked at this before buying my Kimber Kable.
Would you get valid results for differences in cables if you used a binaural microphone and a DAW to record the same song with each cable, then flip the phase on one of the tracks? The opposite phases should leave you with only the differences.
They do make a difference, at least they make a big difference in my system, and yes in sound quality, by lowering the noise they improve the sound, buy the best ones you can afford.
No question, the community is crazy divided when it comes to cables. I stand in the middle. Cables absolutely make a difference, but are not worth the predatory pricing that most manufacturers charge. On top of that most manufacturers and/or reviewers spread so much misinformation. They either willingly deceive or don't actually know what to listen for.
Now to address the elephant in the room, if you're mainly doing home theater and have on-wall/in-wall speakers, cables don't matter. Speakers need to breathe. The differences in cables is in the soundstage and imaging characteristics. I can easily pick out the differences in a proper setup.
PS, if you're strictly listening for tone, save your money. If 2ch is your priority and you can bring your speakers into the room, let's talk.
Just get pro audio crap for everything. That seems where we're headed in home theater
Performance Audio is pretty solid for custom pro-audio cables. Maybe that’s the company that was mentioned.
Ya they do !
This is 100% truth . Always killed me to see friends BB installs of the PlayStations with audio quest hdmi cable that cost as much 😂as the PlayStation. They would tell me “the guy said it would make the picture, game and audio better.” Ugh. Just salesman, doing salesman stuff.
If you believe that High End cables will improve sound quality, then you will absolutely hear a difference. Our perception of what we are hearing, seeing and feeling can be influenced by so many factors, especially subconscious ones. If, for your entire life, you have been conditioned to believe that "you get what you pay for" you will absolutely hear improvements once you have purchased, opened, and connected your $5000 "audiophile" USB cable.
Aesthetics also play a huge role. If something is pleasing to your other senses and looks and feels good to you, it will have a huge impact on what you "hear". A standard "Hospital Grade" power cable, dressed up in high-quality TechFlex and presented in a velvet-lined wooden box will "improve" sound quality for a huge number of consumers. Without giving too much away, I will admit that I've been involved in this sort of thing on the vendor/manufacturer side.
For what it's worth - my system sounds much better on cool Friday evenings.
I agree just because from what I have seen on You tube most speakers use cheap internal cables so if you use the worlds most expensive cables they are only going to be as good as the internal cheap speaker cables.
@@ITWINGMAN so what would you says about electrostatic speakers? Even if that is true addressing cabling at the beginning of the signal chain will still yield and overall improvement beginning at the source.
@@ProfoundAV-123 It is and has always been the same psychology a chain is only strong as its weakest link, this is the internal cable connected to the driver and binding post. I don't see a lot of speaker manufacturers using the same level of cables that match internally what Audiophiles use externally.
I disagree with the analogy with chains and weak links. If anything we'd be far better off comparing to a telescope with multiple imperfect lenses, and cumulative distortions of the original signal.
The only case where the chain analogy fits is when something breaks, A disc player, a DAC, an amp, a speaker, any involved cable, once broken will leave you with silence.
in a cumulative perspective everything counts, but more or less everything counts more than cables, by orders of magnitude.
It's hard to imagine even the flimsiest of internal cables being anything like the "weakest link", or the "dirtiest lens" for that matter.
@@thomaslutro5560 Ok, how about a 454 engine with a 2 barrel carburetor look at the performance that you loose as opposed to a 454 engine with a 4 barrel carburetor, same concept Horse power that is lost do to the weakest link that is the 2 barrel carburetor it is not broke but is is most defiantly the weakest link, cables are no difference they are not broke but if the internal cable is not of the same quality as the external cable they are still the weakest link. So before I spend any exuberant amount of money on speaker cable I want to see the internal speaker cables and the quality of the crossover components. There is hope the answer or solution if we want to prove anything, the cable manufacture of these high end cables should make cables that match speaker manufacture internal cables, so that means they should know the internal cable of every speaker manufacture and the quality of those cables and sell upgrade internal cables that match their external cables then we can see what will really happens.
@@thomaslutro5560 Ok, how about a 454 engine with a 2 barrel carburetor look at the performance that you loose as opposed to a 454 engine with a 4 barrel carburetor, same concept Horse power that is lost do to the weakest link that is the 2 barrel carburetor it is not broke but is is most defiantly the weakest link, cables are no difference they are not broke but if the internal cable is not of the same quality as the external cable they are still the weakest link. So before I spend any exuberant amount of money on speaker cable I want to see the internal speaker cables and the quality of the crossover components. There is hope the answer or solution if we want to prove anything, the cable manufacture of these high end cables should make cables that match speaker manufacture internal cables, so that means they should know the internal cable of every speaker manufacture and the quality of those cables and sell upgrade internal cables that match their external cables then we can see what will really happens.
I tried a 12 foot speaker cable with 7awg to one speaker and 14awg to the other. There is no difference in sound or volume.
YT channel Alpha Audio is measuring and listening to cables. They have data to backup their claims.
No they don’t. They have listening tests. And they have data. The two have no connection. They have no ata to backup their claims. It’s all just a bunch of subjective evaluations mixed with random useless data.
Gene and I shared those pages with a number of industry experts. The comments we got back included things like misguided nonsense, lacking in basic understanding, etc.
The big problem with what that group is doing is that it’s a classic logical fallacy. Effectively, baffle them with BS. It’s intentionally dense and excessive while lacking in substance. It doesn’t follow the scientific method but the average person would have a hard time deciphering what they did and figuring out the problems.
They came up with tons of measurements. Many of which are not good measurements. None of the measurements are connected to known sound quality issues. Many are just general measurements of the cables or system. Nothing they did is legitimate science and if it was ever attempted to be published in a journal the feedback would be significant and harsh.
Going back to your old cable after at least a month, will be the real proof!
Everything matters. It's just that some things matter more than others.
Of course cables make a difference. They are transmitting the signal, they have a job to do! You can have too narrow of a gauge or too long of a run attenuating your signal. But assuming you've spec'd your cables correctly I think the differences get rather small and I personally use Monoprice cables and don't care to pay silly money for 'fancy' cables.
Jay's iyagi did a blind cable test with a bunch of people and a few different cables at different price points. They did find differences between them and the even preferred one cable over another but there was no relationship between cable price and how much they liked the 'sound' of the cable.
This is probably the best summary of the reality of cable quality that I've seen. If people believe - even subliminally - that spending more money on cables will "improve" sound, then they will absolutely perceive differences.
Great analysis!! 👌
Quality makes a difference, expensive ones don't. The law of diminishing returns occurs very quickly here. I have a set of Bluejeans speaker cables, 8ft run, 10awg(a bit of overkill, true), banana plugs. Love 'em. I use audioquest interconnects, either the least expensive or next least expensive they make. They work just fine. There is NO way cables ten or 20 times more expensive would make 10 or 20 times better sound. It's impossible. I had an issue with a new HDTV with sparkles, used the inbox HDMI cable, replaced it with an audioquest HDMI, about 40 bucks a cable(if memory serves), problem gone. So do cables help, sure, but at a fairly low price. You can make your own for around 100-150 bucks.
@erico888 it's not just about the sonic abilities. A quality cable with quality shielding will give one a lower noise floor!
I've changed most of my digital and all of my analogue cables multiple times, and even though I'm driving 9 channels my room is now quieter then when I was driving a stereo setup with a pair of unshielded cables. Only quality cables can give one an audio black background!
Just wish it was easier to use XLR only gear with cinch only gear, the right way
What is the best type of banana plugs?
Locking
Tweekermans if youre into diy
If you solder, I'd recommend the Deltron 550 series. They're nice.
My installer used coaxial cable for my subs....what are your thoughts on that? He just put an RCA connector on the end. I have SVS PB-1000
Should be fine. Coaxial is the best design for rejecting noise because it has a full shield.
In my 25 year plus experience, speaker cables,RCA,power cables and fuses can make a difference albeit subtle but sometimes dramatic if going from copper grade to silver vice versa.
More expensive price per meter isn’t necessarily better either.
However, I struggle to hear any differences between digital cables,coax, optical and Ethernet regardless of price.
In my 30 years I’ve found it doesn’t. And I’ve tried all these things.
A dealer asked me what the purpose of a cable was. Answer: nothing, just carry the signal without coloration.
Audio gear now is so good now. .audio nebbishes need something expensive to make them superior to other normal people
What's absolutely hilarious is when people by audiophile exterior wiring but the connectors on the back of the speakers aren't even copper, the crossovers are made out of cheap materials, and the speakers resonate inside the box itself. MANY of the most expensive supposedly AUDIOPHILE speaker companies use absolutely horrendous crossover materials and use tinsel size speaker wire inside their speaker box connections and crossovers. But as long as the exterior wire looks audiophile their all good....LMAO!
Translation: I don't care about cables, and I have no interest in trying to discern any differences between them. SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE THAT. But some listen to their systems CLOSELY, and DO HEAR A DIFFERENCE, and DO CARE. Some people are like THAT. And there ARE studies that have been done -- DOUBLE BLIND LISTENING TESTS -- that did find a difference. So please also don't mis-state facts on which you are ignorant. Well-shielded, well-made cables with UPOCC copper or silver DO sound different than "Amazon basics." If you don't care enough to get a good system and listen closely and analytically, that's up to you. I do.
So, can you, then explain why these cable companies don't publish these test results?
I've seen (and done) dozens of comparison tests over the years and still I haven't seen even one from the cable manufacturers...
Or to put it a different way ... There's a good pile of testing that shows "no difference" and none that shows the differences.
This is the classic "I spent more for high end cables, and since I'm capable of listening closely and analytically I'm capable of discerning better sound" argument.
@@Douglas_Blake_579 The test I recall wasn't done by manufacturers, but by interested listeners. So of course it wasn't published by manufacturers. Its only point was to show that people heard differences under controlled conditions, not to determine a king of the hill in terms of which brand was best.
@@gww730 Interesting, except that that isn't the argument I made, so please don't attribute it to me. If I were judging by which cables cost more or looked prettier, those would be the ones I use most often or prefer overall (I have a lot of cables, ranging from "World's Best Cables" -- i.e., cheap Mogami, etc. -- to much more expensive ones). But it doesn't work that way. Each has a distinctive sound, and I use them accordingly. And while the "placebo effect" exists, the idea that it has some kind of overwhelming psychological power that no one can overcome is just pure nonsense. Listening is the only test. It's how we decide whether any piece of equipment is good or not. Yes, measurements can tell us some things. But if you want to tell what something sounds like when you listen -- then you do it by listening! Measurements can't do that, so there is no other final test but listening.
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So, what you're saying is there is no proof that cables actually do change sound but you choose to believe it anyway...
If you are hearing differences in listening sessions with cables, you need to go one step further... ask *WHY* you heard the differences.
I believe you'll find there are just too many variables to be sure it's the cables themselves.
Here's just one example: sitting in your sweet spot, moving your head just a couple of inches side to side can totally change what you hear.
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In fact, this probably accounts for about 90% of the differences people claim to hear.
I would argue that the absence of evidence is in fact evidence of absence in cases where you would expect to find something. Sure the statement "perhaps there is something we don't know or aren't measuring correctly" could be true, but that is always the case no matter how far knowledge advances. It's just hiding in unfalsifiability and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Running a couple hundred or thousands of watts through my system with better cables makes a difference
Just did a Mogami, Kimber Hero, and Nordost Blue Heaven and Heimdall interconnect comparison. (Preamp to amp) Was hoping Mogami would be the one. Nordost Heimdall had the it factor. Resolution, depth, articulation and layers of sound with great bass management. The other cables were great ….but wow the Heimdall was great. I always buy used at 50% or better than cost. Cables have stupid pricing. Great discussion and education. Thanks.
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I’ve been through many cables, including the local Chinese guy and a few years back I settled on audience AU 24SE which I bought used and I haven’t touch them since. Pricey cables do make a difference.
I love seeing theaters with cables that cost as much as the speaker lmao
So true, aspecialy in hom theater....
Are you related to Chris Elliot? Star of Fox network tv show Get a Life and Something About Mary.
Mmm cables do make a difference.. not about "audiphile". The purity of the cable will determine the sensitivity to frequencies reach the end of the cable. Also composition of the cable makes a difference as well. If you use a 5N copper cable with a pure silver plating you will notice higher frequencies will be more pronounced and the bass less. If you use a 5N or higher copper only cable you'll notice the higher frequency is a bit subdued and the bass low and mid is better or higher db.
I'll give you an example. Sennheiser HD600's with stock vs pure 5N you'll notice these differences I just mentioned.
Ah, this is an AV centric channel, so you are probably right.
They probably don’t make a difference in any system or on any channel.
@@PoesAcoustics Your 10-15 channel class D amp won't notice the difference. Just use the cheapo free stuff and that'll be fine for films etc.
I can easily hear a difference in cables but I also know that some people just don't hear it. And we all prioritize the budget of a hifi system accordingly.
You're absolutely right though, about how very expensive cables are just jewelry.
The most smart arse (smartest arse?) statement I have heard about cables making a difference is "try your system with and without them, I'm sure they'll make a difference". 😂
It would probably go louder with them! 😅
I use svs cables
Thanks for tackling this contentious subject. I agree with you 100%, and there has never been a double blind test that confirms any difference other than the difference in noise immunity between single ended and balanced connections. For looks...fine, enjoy.
You know of every double blind test that has ever been done? No possible way to know if that is true or not.
There are gems to be had from Chinese stores on Ebay and AliExpress with great sounding pure copper gold plated speaker plugs. These cables are 7N OCC pure copper both as speaker cables and interconnects. As for BlueJean cables, I find them way overrated and artificial sounding, far from the studio quality they are marketed to be.
Yeah not all Chinese made cables are bad, some good ones are definitely not cheap but still affordable, they are usually high purity copper or silver plated copper cables. We just need to discover and know where to find those legitimate ones.
Some people just dont have good enough hearing to tell the difference 🤡
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If you don't think cables make a difference, look at the crappie crossovers in your nasty speakers. Then tell me .
I don’t have nasty speakers. You can buy zip cables for those.
Agree 100% up to that last point on money well spent. I do not think it's OK to spend money on placebo. I do not think it's OK to put money in the pockets of bullshitters and frauds. It's not OK that almost the entire audiophile culture directs mone towards products that make no difference. These resources could be directed towards areas where audible improvements are still possible, or even made available to more people by reducing cost. Speakers, rooms, better room correction algorithms.
By the way. Whatever cable you're using, cosmetics can be improved with braided sleeves in more or less any colour from ebay or similar.
@@thomaslutro5560 It is money well spent because the end result makes me happy in the gear I have purchased over the years. I paid $1900 for a usb cable because I could. And I would do it again. Why because it resulted in an audible improvement that I’m happy with. I took the time to try out different usb cables some way cheaper some more expensive and the Nordost always provided the best results. So was it placebo on why I didn’t like the others or was it placebo on why I chose the Nordost. I spent three weeks listening to each cable in my system a few days each And could clearly articulate the differences. Those differences remained the same and at the end the Nordost provided the synergy that suited my setup.
Mogami Gold Studio xlr cables
Maybe not in AV but in decent Hi-Fi they make profound differences. we are back to the old chestnut........
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agree...experienced it many times..
Considering how long the length of cables are with a multi-channel setup, you actually couldn't be more wrong. Not unless one doesn't mind the room having a slight electrical ambient sound to it! If one prizes a low noise floor, the speaker cable runs have to be shielded! IDK about you, but when the Silent scenes come in.. Silence is what I prefer to hear
@@totalplonker824 Oh god, not you again. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Benchmark media cables? 3:17
Either you can hear a difference or not. Posting why theory says x or y (including words “snake oil”) is irrelevant.
The thumbnail may need to a lil tweaking. If you just clicked by only looking at the picture and not bothering to read the title, you’d come into the video thinking you’re making a flat statement.
He is making a flat statement.
Not sure what the concern with the title is. I think folks expect me to come down on one side and then chide those of the other opinion. I really am of the opinion that this is a hobby. We shouldn’t lose site of it. If something helps you connect with the music or movie. It’s a good idea for you. If you want me to give my opinion or describe the state of the science. I am happy to do that.
Of course reasonable cables dont make a difference in sound. If they did, there would be messurements of these dofferences plastered all over cable companies websites, in the stores and RUclips would be all about what cable to buy.
Just buy enough gague OFC, and pay a little more to have them look the way you want.
Darned right ... If this was real, they'd be waving test results around like a flag every chance they got.
Worlds best cables for the win.
WBC
Matt seems to have hit a nerve on this video. Anyone who spends five figures on things gets sensitive when we tell them it was a waste of money. Manufacturers of high-end cables, gambling suites in Las Vegas or men's baldness pills NEVER tell you they don't work. Spend all you want, but don't expect improvements in sound, your bank account or hairline...
Weird, doesn't appear you have actually tried many or any properly designed higher end cables. I'd try them before posting as it's a bad look, speaking on something you have no experience with.
It's easy to do too. On the used market you can try them and move them on at the cost of shipping basically.
This is like saying changing tubes in an amp makes no difference, lol. Just sayin.
I've tuned my rig to my preference with cables. The changes are easily noticeable on higher end rigs.
I've been using a very cheap power cable to connect my audio system to the mains for many years, so I know perfectly how they sound. Recently, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase a high purity copper cable that has a thickness of a python, plugging in the new power cable does have noticeable differences in terms of the solidity of the music being produced.
So yeah, either we hear it or not, but just because somebody can hear audio differences but we don't, does not imply that cables are all snake oils. It's just like saying all medications at the pharmacy are snake oils 😆
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I don't see a difference either.
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This is complete nonsense. What type of cables used in a system can absolutely change the way it sounds. Sometimes it can be subtle, but if you have a system with cheap components often you will not hear a difference. If however you switch to silver cables as opposed to copper, you will hear a dramatic difference. However, don’t take my word for it. Try it yourself. At the end of the day, you get what you pay for and this guy is cheap.
Talk and talk, but not an actual test or demo.
Plenty of scientific lab tests were done. They published their results. They were null results. No point in me redoing what they did. Every time someone gives a talk or lecture they don’t need to replicate the published studies.
As for a demo? How should I do that exactly? I hope you aren’t suggesting I do a demo over RUclips. How silly that would be. It is not possible to demo anything over RUclips videos or any remote method with any serious accuracy. These RUclips speaker demos are complete nonsense and a cable demo would be even worse. I would hope that is obvious.
If you want an in person demo, sure I can arrange that.
Cables absolutely make a difference and you can hear the difference if your system is transparent. I was of the opinion that there was no real difference until I borrowed 3 usb cables from the cable company recently. The three cables were Nordost tyr2, Synergistic research Galileo and Atmphere cables. I have a Chord DAVE Dac being fed by a HifiRose RS130 transport and I was using the stock usb cable and was happy with the sound until I tried those cables and could not believe the difference in sound quality. I said to my self that a usb cable should not make a different because they just pass the digital signal 1s and 0s. The improvement is sound quality presented a much wider sound stage, more detailed mids that sounded more focused. The Nordost cables made the sound more holographic and musical while still remaining extended in the highs and an overall sound that had body. Both synergistic research cable sound was some what bright on the top end and did not keep me engage as I felt they were more analytical the galileo was extremely detailed to the point that I would get fatigued and did not exhibit the musicality as with the Nordost. I tried each cable for a few days each and every time I switch to the Nordost the music sounded right meaning it was musical, detailed, extended with body with zero fatigue. Turning the volume know on my mcintosh preamp pulled me deeper into the soundstage. I didn’t come across as getting louder but rather more enveloping with the soundstage seeming to expand. I ended up purchasing the Nordost because they were that good in my system as they added a level of refinement to the overall sound. My plan is to do a cable loom of the tyr2 line and upgrade the rca from my Dave to the mcintosh, upgrade the power cable on the rs130 and Dave. Again this was a usb cable and my wife could also hear the clear difference and she does not listen to my system the way I do. One thing to note, I tried the blue jeans lc1 rca cable in my system and did not like them. They presented a rolled off top end and had a warming sound which did not fit the sound of my system.
Nice ad ;) it's all in your head. Also can you answer why recording studios use standard cables?
😂😂 it’s called Placebo aka Psychoacoustics. There no difference. Like the other guy mentioned, even the recording studios don’t use fancy cables.
Yeah it’s in my head and my brain hears a clear difference like your brain does not. Before I demo’d the cable I was certain there would be no difference and told the rep at the cable company that I don’t expect to hear any differences as I wanted the cable that came with the chord DAVE to perform just as well as the Nordost but I was shocked. Even my wife from the other room could tell when I switch the cable. When I had the regular cable she would say that’s not the nordost and I would ask her how do you know and she would say because the music does sound as clear especially. The when I switch it to the Nordost she would say that’s the Nordost right. And I would say how did you know and she would say because the music sounded bigger and clearer to her and mind you this was either when she was in the kitchen or upstairs. I have had the cable in for about a month and still hear the difference it has made in my system. I guarantee if I demo’d them you would not have any issues hearing the difference I’m sure of that. But you can continue on with your opinion and I will continue to enjoy the my system😊
Psychoacoustics and placebo aren’t the same thing. Psychoacoustics is the study of how we hear what we hear. Placebo is a phenomena in which we experience benefit where none actually exists.
If it makes you enjoy your system then great. Go for it. Money well spent.
Lol try a simpler topic like taking on peace in the middle east than cables make a difference.
AudioQuest Rocket 44 BiWire are the best speaker cables.
XLR interconnect from worlds best cable with snap clip kill it.
Too bad Anthem AVM90 is a fail with balanced XLR.
@@chebrubin when I saw the topic of the video I said Buckle up folks it gonna be a wild ride. 😂
Buying a cable for the looks? WTF? No studies proving that cables make a difference? You need a study? Really? You're serious? It took me 5 minutes at a friends house to hear the difference. WTF? We are millions , millions who know, not think, know that cables sound different so automatically make a difference. Heck i make my cables now and i can predict the sound from the techniques and materials used in advance. So i suggest getting help by other audiophiles until you can hear the difference cause this is sad. Its not your opinion, its the thing you warn people about: The placebo effect, but you're the one experiencing it. You mentally chose they didn't make a difference to fit in a crowd you thought would back you, the ignorant crowd that is. The clueless people. Cables make a difference period. Its not an opinion, notva debate, really easy to hear. we are millions who hear it. The thought of millions buying cables, spending money for an idea is so stupid, its just sad that somebody would believe that. We don't want to spend money, but once you hear the difference a cable makes, you're fucked. You can say you don't hear a difference, that's fine. You don't have the ears for it. Thats fine. You didn't try enough things, thats fine. But don't say tgey don't make a difference, please, thats sad. Start by trying different AC cables and try some with metal and carbon in the plugs that block interference and see if you can hear a difference. If you don't. You don't have the ears for the job. Try another hobby, cause this is real easy...
Science is not on your side.
@@WegnerJacobsen hahahahaha! But my ears and those of every real audiophile on the planet are. You think we buy cables because we want to buddy? Once you hear it, you can't go back. Its not a debate, theres is no debate. cables make a big difference period. Especially AC cables.
@WegnerJacobsen, actually, I think Silence is not on your side.
If interested, you can read my above comment to find out why.
@@philippelabrecque6658 I completely believe that you are able to hear differences between power cables - IF you believe that the specific techniques and materials that you use will affect sound quality. Even using a cable that looks more aesthetically pleasing can impact your enjoyment of music, similar to how things always sound better to me on a cool evening with a glass of my favorite Scotch. Mood and perception are everything, and can absolutely be influenced by input from others. Hearing from someone that "you must be ignorant if you don't think there is a difference", especially if it comes from someone that you respect, can also influence perception. However, spending $10,000 for a cable with colored hospital-grade power plugs and beautiful techflex wrapping will absolutely not impact sound quality in any measurable way. Recording studios and mastering facilities don't use components like this, and unless your mains power wires are of equivalent "quality"it won't be something that can be measured. I respect your opinion, and keep enjoying the music!
@@gww730Have you ever measured 2 speakers? In some cases the graph looks identical. Do they sound the same? No they don't. They don't at all. Why? Ask a speaker designer if the graph means anything? It doesn't. It will give you explanations to what you're hearing, but you are hearing it. The ears are far better at picking up subtle differences in sound than any measuring equipment weve made so far. Rob Watts realised while making DACS that he picked up differences past a -300db noise floor. The ear picks up timing errors past the equipment . If you think that a guy who has had high end cables is influenced by looking at teck flex you're in your world buddy. You get accustomed to everything real fast and you don't see the cables so it doesn't influence anything and the only thing important is the sound.
I got a brand new cable that advertised copper all the way to the plugs, but what i heard didn't match. I heard a sound typical of brass, damping details and muffling the sound. So i demolished the plug with a metal saw and found only brass that was soldered instead of crimped ( a big no-no). So my ears heard it first didn't they? I changed the plugs multiple times till i got the sound i wanted by using a silver plating on the entry and a gold plating on the exit. Crimped, not soldered. Used gold to soften and warm the top end and voilà! I can remove an AC plug on a cable and change 1 blade only on the plug ,from a red copper made by Sonarquest to a red copper made by Viborg and the sound is quite different. I can get a bigger effect by changing the 3 blades. Then i can put OCC copper and get another sound, doesn't mean I'll like it, sometimes i don't ,where's the placebo effect if OCC copper is more expensive and i don't like it more? Where's the placebo effect when i put silver in there and it doesn't sound good to my ears. Silver is way more expensive right? The placebo effect doesn't really work for a long time so it will fade away real soon if you don't get the sound you're looking for. The greatest effect on a AC cable is the casing of the plug itself. A metal casing will stop more interference and you'll hear more detail and bass. Im doing it right now as a matter of fact. Removed expensive cables and replaced them with cheaper ones that have a carbon/ metal casing and i hear even more detail. Why is the placebo effect not working? The ears outclass any measuring equipment there is and cables make a huge difference. OCC copper has a sound. OFC copper has a sound, silver has a sound. OFC copper plated with thin silver doesn't sound the same as the same copper plated with thick silver. The purity of the metal changes the sound also. A 4N will sound rounder and smoother and less detailed than a 7N silver. A litz design will sound better than a standard design. A multi core design with different size cores will sound better than a single dimension core design. An aluminium shield doesn't sound as good than a copper shield to my ears. It all matters and thats why people spend money. Not because it looks good but because it sounds good.
And alcool demolishes hearing. After 2 glasses of anything , the highs become hash because of the inflammation of the blood vessels to the ear. Same thing with vision. Bright lights bother you. The reverse effect is experienced with higher dopamine levels. Higher dopamine levels do get you better hearing because of processing speed of details and left to right effects.
Why speak at all ?
You have no clue what you are talking about.
Cables absolutely sound different.
Believe what you will. That is a statement you can’t backup with any valid proof. I can at least back mine up with published null studies. And no published significant studies.
I speaker so others can learn from my experience and knowledge.
@@PoesAcoustics I don't belive anything.
I know for a fact that cables sound different. Once you have experienced it you can not un-experience it.
So to me, your statement is simply BS.
@@flex-cx9bi and to me your statement is Bs. But what kind of a disagreement is that? You are unwilling to challenge your assumptions based on your fallible experiences. You are entitled to your own opinions. Not to your own facts. And there are no facts that can back up your claims. Human perception does not equal reality. You, like everyone else, can be easily tricked.
I have nothing to gain by making my claims. I have in fact experienced high end cables in controlled and uncontrolled conditions. Probably more than you. And I didn’t leave those experiences finding any audible difference I had any confidence in.
If such differences existed as fact then someone would have proven it by now. Nobody has.
@@PoesAcoustics I highly doubt that you have more experience of anything in audio than me.
I'm 57 now and built my first loudspeaker at 13 years of age.
At least 150 different loudspeaker cables and interconnects have passed my ownership and once I also was the distributor of Magnan Cables.
I build all my stuff today.
So you tell me if you have more experience.
You need to learn more about cables and really dig into the subject and experience it yourself.
@@flex-cx9bi what I think you fail to recognize is my access. I work in the industry. Where as most people have put together a handful of systems in their life. I design a half dozen a month. I calibrate dozens a year. I’ve build dozens for myself, but then trade in and out gear constantly that is sent to me to evaluate or review. I have boxes and boxes of cables. Nobody outside of the industry could get that level of exposure.
So yes I know I have more experience than you if you don’t actually work in this industry with that kind of access.
I find these videos to be not particularly helpful. You are certainly welcome to say that you don’t think cables make a difference. Those that hear a difference are also welcome to say so. I don’t understand this need to try to make absolute statements and get everyone else to think a certain way.
Some people just like to enforce their opinion.
I have a fairly nuanced opinion on cables. I am open to esoteric ideas, I love engineering, so I find some of the cables pretty neat. I don't believe cables improve sound, I think perhaps very poorly made ones 'may' negatively impact sound. So if anything, good cables just don't degrade sound, they don't improve it. And I am not even sure how a 'junk' cable would degrade the sound to be honest.
I don't really care if people believe it or not though, I suppose the only reason I would try to talk somebody out of buying expensive cables is because I don't want to see people getting ripped off.
Like if someone was selling some diamond nanoparticle TV screen cleaner, it isn't going to make my 1080p screen look better, the best it can do is clean my screen, and the worst it can do is leave a residue that slightly degrades the image. So I would try to steer people away from wasting their money on that, but if they really thought it helped, ya know, I can't stop them.
It has a lot to do with REALITY .... When you start ignoring facts and science you set yourself up to be victimized over and over again.
@@Douglas_Blake_579 I can state for a fact that I once compared a fancy power cable for my Sony TV, vs the stock one. The difference in picture quality between the two was unmistakable. I had multiple people look at the two pictures (blind test) and there was hundred percent agreement and also photographic evidence that the fancy one looked made for a better picture quality. I don’t know if those results extend to audio quality, but I don’t see why not. Open to rational explanations.
I respect you for your overall knowledge about audio, acoustics etc but I’m sure you will here the differences in a proper stereo. It’s harder to achieve with AV stuff.
Hook up the Perlisten with a great dac, amp and source. All the cables can be affordable, as long as the only material is up-occ copper.
Listen for beter outlined images, bigger, wider, deeper. You can almost see it visual, but it moved a feet or more..
Bass deeper and more articulate, much sweeter treble..
For an expert as you it’s easy to hear! And yes acoustics has priority but it doesn’t mean this ain’t make a difference..
Statements like this show that you’re not even listening to yourself. If cables made a difference in a stereo setup, they would make a difference in a home theater when playing stereo music as well. There is literally no evidence that proves there’s a difference. In fact, all evidence says that’s there’s not. Don’t believe the lies and use your head. I was just at MWAVE where Anthony Grimani’s system was using the same 12awg Monoprice cable for his setup. I joked with him that he wasn’t using good enough speaker wire, Ethernet cables, or power cords. It’s all snake oil and you’ve fallen for it.
I do not agree. If your system is revealing enough trust me your jaw would drop. Dacs in av equipment are not the best. My system is revealing and you can clearly hear things like decay, micro dynamics. These are thing you hear in a transparent system. Don’t limit your world view. I have a system that is Capable of demonstrating these attributes.
@@ProfoundAV-123Hey man, You for real or joking around? 😅
I think you are making an assumption here that isn’t fair. You assume I haven’t heard the finest and cleanest dacs or 2 channel systems. I’ve been around this industry my whole life. I’ve heard all the finest gear on the market, I’ve heard tons of high end cables. I have owned many high end turntables and phonostages. Really good dacs. Many many dozens of speakers.
The notion that AV gear isn’t as good as stereo is also a misnomer. A standard Trinnov processor with the newest parts has a SINAD around 105dB. I have my LCRs connected to Toppintgh flagship dacs from the digital outs. The SINAD is well over 115dB and are as good as it gets. My digital signal path goes from a 24/192 source through very clean digital to analog signal paths out to Purifi amps and then out to some of the finest speakers.
@@MrDante10nono joking here.
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