I just bought my new saxophone. To be honest I’m scared. I never touched a saxophone in my life but I just love music and I love saxophone music. Your video is so helpful, thank you for that.
I played sax for 8 years, then took a 7 year break until September last year. When I returned, I was playing on size 2 vandoren blues, but found the sound a bit disappointing. Swapped to 2.5 Blues, fine, but I have had the best sound in 2022 playing on some size 3 Vandoren Red Javas. Really like the projection I get, coupled with my Selmer Soloist C*. Looking to swap to a Jody Jazz HR* soon, and I imagine I will move down to softer reeds as well.
I started playing the sax using 2/½ reeds ( they were the only size i could get during the quarantine) , recently I started attending classes and I explained my situation to my teacher, he recommended me medium Rico La Voz reeds, and they have worked super well for me!
After 6 month now with my new mouthpiece, Jody Jazz custom dark (tip opening 6 + power ring), I play now Legere american cut 2 1/2. N° 2 is definitively too soft for me. I regularly try other reeds, also cane reeds, but for me Legere american cut 2 1/2 is definitively the best choice. One reed lasts for 6 month, although I play daily for 3 hours or more. I bought 3 reeds recently and all the 3 are exactly the same, hardly any difference between them. No need the make them wet before playing, just put them on and you are ready to play. Thanks once more, Nigel, for your recommendation to buy the Jody Jazz custom dark mouthpiece. For me, this was a game changer, I am now getting very close to the sound I ever wanted to have on Tenor sax.
The past five years I have been using Rico and Royals 2 and pure frustration. I saw this video and bought a legere 2. Well Nigel someone put the switch on my Yanni Alto. Amazing Sound. Thanks Nige.
Mr. McGill, thanks so much for your lessons, advice and transcriptions! I've found your channel to be one of the best for me as I journey through my tenor saxophone. I've been playing just a little over a year now and seem to improve almost every day. I had been using the D'Addario Royal 2.0's forever and just recently switched to the 2.5s. Figuring out the reed is just a difficult as playing the sax itself. Again, kudos to you!
I started on nr 3 Vandooren because my teacher told me to. As it was difficult for me with squeaks etc, I tried 2,5 Vandooren and Rico instead and I found Rico easier to play in the beginning. Now I go between Legeer 3 and Vandooren 3. I play a Yamaha YTS 280. I have been playing for 9 months and have much stronger muscles. I learn a lot from your lessons and I improvise a lot apart from practicing scales and following a book. I take private lessons twice a week. I want to say Thank you, you are highly appreciated!
I love Boston sax shop tenor cane reeds, they are awsome, gives it that warm mellow, husky tone. Easy to growl on them, as opposed to my Legere signature reeds.
I'm 77 and started alto around last Christmas . I practice 2-3 hrs per day on a rico 1.5, although I have one of the set of 3 reeds, that is too hard for me and one that is too soft, and one that is sweet, perfect for my embouchure on my yamaha 4c mouthpiece on my YAS23. Occasionally I try my D'Addario Select Jazz 7, on which I use that very soft reed, but I'm not quite ready to handle that yet, as I can't play pianissimo with it. I use the Reed Geek to improve my reeds. Thanks for the thorough explanation of selecting reeds, very good to know.
Hi Nigel. I'm 57, live near Winchester and am at my 1st days in learning the alto sax. I've bought a Jupiter. I'm hoping you're lessons along with my effort will be all I need to get there. I'm currently using a Rico 1.5. Just moved down from a 2.5 on your advice.
Just watched your video about reeds. I thought it was brilliant! I have just bought a sax in lockdown and learning from scratch. The sax cam with a box of 2.5 reeds and it took me two day get a note !! I had ordered online some 1.5 and 2 strength reeds. Have been using the 1.5s but didn't know if I was right in doing so! I do find them so much easier that the 2.5s. A very informative video for an extreme novice. Thank you
With me it was the other way round. I started on Synthetic reeds, but had problems with keeping the high notes in Tune and not sharp. I have now gone back to cane reeds and using the reed geek!
I've been playing a ( Harry Hartmann Carbon Fiberreed Tenor Saxophone Reed Soft ) since Christmas. And I am thinking it is just the best. First, it's carbon fibre so it don't need to be moistened. I can leave it on my mouthpiece overnight (and it will not warp as it dries. Because it was never wet) and pick up and begin to play in the time it takes to put on a neck-strap. It's going 3 months so far with absolutely no indication of any wear. So, not only is it an awesome thing. It is also an economical thing. Good reeds are not cheap.
Wow, that sounds cool. I haven’t tried those yet but the sound like they behave similarly to the Legere signatures. I love the way they don’t change, warp, dry out etc. Saves a lot of time in the practice room!
@@varunravalapudi true. They are pricey ($40). But they will last longer than $40 of other reeds by a factor of 2. So yes, it an economical road to go down. Don't look at the money it will cost "today". Look at the money it will save "tomorrow". And it is a better experience the whole way. Don't get a "soft" like I did. I was just in the hospital for a couple months. Soft was my abilities at the time.
Perfect!! I've been playing for years but have always wondered why my mouth became sore (and even my throat). Because of your video I've found the info I needed to confirm I needed to drop down from a 2.5 to a 2. Thank you .
Just started playing tenor sax since freshman year in college (30 plus years). Tried the recommended 2.5 reed and had difficulty obtaining a consistent controllable flow of air and tone. Switched back to the 1.5 and I can play the full range with ease and comfort. Your video I find to be very informative and helpful especially indenturing when it may be time to move a 1/2 step. Will purchase 2.0 and see what happens. Thanks for being here 😊👍🏽!
I am just a beginner - 6 months. Tried many cane and plastic (Legere and Fibracell) from 1.5 to 3. My best (now) is D’Addario Plasticover Alto Sax Reeds 2.0 I can easily take from Low B to D6 practically with same embouchure on Vandoren AL3 and A20. Vandoren cane 2.0 reeds feels different in strength and has slow response on high notes. I also like Legere synthetic 1.5 and 2.0 - they work well on low and middle, but on high have slower response (same mouthpieces). My embouchure is too weak yet, maybe that is why.
Loved the video! Super important subject. I teach all ages but if we are talking about elementary age kids then starting on a size 2 1/2 is best. It keeps them from biting down which causes them to have difficulty in making sound. The extra resistance counters the biting. Keep up the great work! I’m a long time subscriber and I’ve enjoyed your blues mastery course.
Hi Nigel, As a biginner, I was suggested to use a Yamaha 5C mouthpiece with 2.0 Rico reeds. I like the sound I get out of it by now but still find it more difficult to play the lower notes.
Hello and thank you sooo much, I was getting crazy with the cane reeds in the last weeks. I see your video two days ago and today arrived the american cut #1,5 from Legere.... Evviva what a great solution. Next week a signature reed with a 1,75 , can't wait to try and play both of them. I got my first sax in april, learning by my self and your videos are very awesome, with a clear message and tipps. thanks and Greetings from Italy
My favorite is Peter Ponzol 2 1/2 - 3 for almost 20 years on Tenor and Soprano. Most consistent and great sound! Very rarely ever found a reed that didn’t play perfect right out of the box! Most of my students play them!
McGill Music Sax School I am looking for them today and it seems I cannot find any. I sure hope they have not discontinued them. I have a box left. This will be horrible if they’ve stopped making them. Why would they do that if they did.
Fibracell 3.5 and 3.0 on my Tenor. I find they play a little on the soft side so that's why I play a higher numbered reed. They also have more of cane reed texture feel in my mouth. I have tried the Legere signature series which play fine but, I prefer the Fibracell.
LOL! I use a bunch, Legere signature 2.5, American Cut 2.5, Fred Hemke 2.5, Vandoren V21 2.5, V.12 2.5 switching constantly depending on what I''m doing. I work in a music store so that helps!
I've jusy started playing the saxaphone yesterday (Sunday) and I'm using a 2 and a half cane Reed that came with it, but I also have an extra box of reeds too
Great information! My band teachers never taught about reeds or any sax playing tips. I use 1.5 to 2.0 Fibracell reeds on a metal E. Rousseau mouthpiece to achieve the sound I enjoy. Thanks for all of your informative help!!
I was using Rico Royals in 2.0 to 2.5 depending on which mouthpiece. I have a "BYET" brand Chinese brass mouthpiece I got for $33 on Amazon that I kind of want to slap a 3 on because it takes so little breath to get a sound. I've also got a Legere clone that I *love* (Didn't know it was a clone when I received it as a review sample) so I'll be getting the real Legere when this one finally wears out :) Rico Royal I should add, are super easy to tweak if you get a "bad" one. As long as it's not split or chipped, a little sanding is usually all it takes to at least get it playable.
If you're just starting out, get a Legere 2 - 2.5 and just play that for a year or two. Why add in the extra worry of working reeds and stuff until you're more confident? Just my two cents. 1.5 seems too soft unless you start on a big tip opening mouthpiece.
Hi Nigel, Like others who have commented, I started with cane reeds for my alto and tenor but switched to Legere Signatures, 2.25 to 2.5. Every once in a while I'll pull out a Vandoren Java 2.5 cane reed or LaVoz medium soft cane reed. This lasts about 15 minutes before I put in my trusty Lagere. One thing about Legere and getting the right strength reed when players make the switch. Legere has a reed strength Comparison chart for many woodwinds including sax.
Thanks Wayne. Great to hear you are enjoying the Legeres too. I haven’t gone back to cane at all - I’ve been playing Legere for about 2 years now. Good point about the comparison chart. It’s very helpful. Here’s a link: www.legere.com/need-to-know/strength-charts/
I’m still a beginner have been on and off changing teachers but I was using a 1.5 Rico and have been advised to switch to a 2 hopefully with constant practice I’ll be able to get better
After trying at least 10 different reed styles and manufacturers, I found that as a new player, the Rico thin-cut unfiled 2.5 reed works the best with one caveat. I flatten the bottom with the Reed Geek and gently smooth the top. Doing that makes the sound great, and I can hit low C and B. The high notes are easier to play as well.
Great information Nigel. Problem with beginners is we don't know whether the problem is the reed, our weak muscles or something else. Also how do you know when to throw out your cane or synthetic reed if they are not cracked or visibly defective? If I base it on how my playing sounds I would be throwing boxes of reeds out every day!
I hear you John. We all go through lots of reeds, but using something like a Reed Geek can help to sort out more of your cane reeds. I think it takes a while for your embouchure to develop before you start to see more consistency with your tone and reeds. So spend plenty of time on your warmups, long tones and slow melodies.
Most cane reeds with normal playing start to wear out between 2 & 4 weeks. You can still play on them but you’ll notice a difference in sound and resistance when playing on that reed compared to a newer one.
I'm sure this is a very common comment, but I played tenor for 2 years in middle school band, and recently (25 years later) a friend gifted me an alto (of course it couldn't be a tenor :/) so here I go trying to see if I can make sounds again... reeds arrive tomorrow. I may need to take it to the local music shop, but showing it to a sax-playing friend of mine yesterday, and seeing him put his mouthpiece on and hit a home run right away - I realized it wasn't too late, and it was possible - this is step 2! - thanks so much.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I plan to incorporate a clip-on microphone so I can run the sax sound through some pedals -- overdrive and maybe echo or chorus. I'm hoping to create vast soundscapes you can envisage when you listen with eyes closed. Oh, and I'm able to make some sounds with the #2 reed - not fantastic, repeatable tones yet, but I'll get there. Thanks for the reply!
Really enjoying using D’Addairo Select 2 hard on my Select Jazz tenor mouthpiece , D7M Sandstone marble . I started using the Select Jazz 3 soft but it requires more adjustments with my reed geek . But to be honest I have used vandoren Java’s without trouble either . It’s a reed friendly mouthpiece ,so there’s that . Take care , be safe
Back in the day, I played a Rico 2.5 on my baritone. After a 40 year hiatus, I'm back and started with cane reeds but quickly jumped to a Legere Signature 2 and have been playing them for over a year. I love the consistency, the durability and the sound, though getting them correctly positioned on the mouthpiece is a little tricky sometimes because they are clear and my eyes aren't as good as they used to be. I'm really enjoying the 2, but will order a 2.25 or 2.5 next time just to try it out.
Good on you, somebody who doesn't recommend the usual 2.5 for everybody. Much too stiff for starters. I have piles of Rico Royals and a few Vandorens, but nowadays use Fibracell 1.0 or 1.5 on everything, soprano to baritone (bass clarinet reeds for the C Melodies). With stiffer reeds all I get out of any sax are sounds like storm winds through the trees. Other synthetics? Baris are too stiff for me. I have a Legere reed on a clarinet but don't recall much about it one way or the other. Fibracells have worked well for me on sax and clarinet. I actually sound seriously gawd-awful on everything, but with the synthetics I at least don't have to wait for them to get damp first.
I just started sax for the first time and I chose to do soprano with a 2.5 reed… it’s not too hard actually… in my opinion starting with a harder reed will yield a higher rate of growth in the mouth muscles. But it’s probably not good for impatient people
Soprano: Conn-Selmer Liberty D'Addario Royal (Blue box) 2.5 filed. Yamaha 7 C Alto: Elkhart DeLuxe Fibracell 2.5 Beechler Bellite 8 Tenor: Selmer MkVI Roberto's Winds 2.5 TS Berg Larsen s/s 110/2 M 55 years ago used PTD fibreglass as allergic to cane, fine now
I’ve played trombone for 3 years now and I decided I wanted to try beri sax and I’m doing good I started yesterday but the moly side reed my band director gad was a 3.75 so it’s not hard but it is a little harder to get a note.
I have been using Legere Signature 2.75 for alto and Tenor. Both on size 6 mouthpieces. Very easy to get on with but they do tend to be come curved eventually. When this happens, I put them in boiling water for a minute or so which revives them for the first few times. By doing this, I get more than a year playing for each reed.
Tried front door and Juno designed for beginning youngsters? Tried investing in a Reed clipper for when the reed is just too soft. Nigel started her does the right strands but constant playing bends the reed backwards and forwards and it loses its elasticity. Clip a bit off the tip which makes the reader feel harder again. It's not a bad thing having a few reed problems because we have to learn to adjust them conversely what to do when it is too hard! Thank you for your informative inspiring videos. God bless you and yours - Bill - UK.
Vraiment parfait Nigel . Ce sont là tous des conseils DE BON SENS . Alors que nous savons bien que le bon sens se fait de plus en plus rare à notre époque , ça rend ta vidéo encore plus précieuse . Un grand merci pour les jeunes !!!
Every now and then I buy a bunch of different reeds (brands, sizes) to try out. Roughly about once per year. My latest find was the Vandoren V12 size 2.5. Just perfect for me... right at the moment. Of course, this might change again. :)
I have been learning with strength 2 then I went to 2.5. I tried 3 but it was overly tiring. So 2.5 it is. The ones I prefer are Vandooren V16 or Java although I started with Rico, all natural reeds. I have never tried synthetic ones.
Great to see you have tried a few sizes. 2.5 is a good one to settle on. I never liked any synthetics until I tried the Legere Signature reeds. Now I only use them.
I normally use Plasticover by D’Addario 2.5, 3 and even 3.5. I also use sometimes Forestone medium strength. For some reason, I have not been so lucky using cane reeds, they just don’t sound bright enough, which is the sound I prefer. I am tempted to try Legere next to see what happens. BTW, I a part of the McGill Sax School.
Learned on an alto and bari; I just picked back up a tenor after 25 year break. I’m currently using Cecilio 2.5 but my preference was always Vandoran, didn’t care for Rico. Don’t know if they had synthetic available back in the day.
After playing flute for decades, I bought a sax last month. YUM! I have been playing on D'Adarrio 2M and 2H Jazz Select. I have nothing else to which I can compare, but I think I like the 2H better. I'm so curious about Legere. Maybe 2.25? Hey Nigel... thank you for your great videos. =)
I think you are right about starting off with cane reeds first but no reason why you can't. I started on Legere Signature reeds on my alto sax as I wanted a consistent sound and to know my playing issues were with me and not the reeds. However at the time I felt like one lasted me less than a month as I somehow split at the tip of 3 in 3 months and no one knew how I was doing that, which wasn't good, especially given their price. For a while I did try cane reeds and tried D'addario Select Jazz filed and unfiled, La Voz and Rico Royal and was never really happy with the sound I was getting. I did move back to playing Legere signature reeds after 7-8 months but for a time felt they were either too hard to play or buzzy and not smooth sounding at all at any strength I tried. I instead tried Studio Cut reeds. They had more resistance and that gave me the smooth response I needed, but I was never happy with the straighter tone I got with them. I tried some other reeds but these responded best to me. Eventually I decided to try signature reeds again as I want to get a soprano sax at some point in the future but Legere don't make Studio Cut reeds for soprano and I wanted to keep my mouthpiece/reed setup the same as I have on my alto. That was about 4 months ago and after switching back to Signature reeds and nearly 2 years of playing and now play a 2.25 on my Selmer S80 C** and Vandoren AL5, I seem to be getting the better response I want from the reeds and I can have one last 2+ months without going bad. I did also find that the type of ligature and the position of the ligature I was using, had a noticeable impact on the feel and response I got from my reeds and that might have effected how I was feeling about the reeds I was using. When I stated playing, I got the sax.co.uk mouthpiece upgrade with a Yamaha 4C and a Rovner Dark ligature. It was fine and helped me progress, and I switched mouthpieces to a Selmer S80 C** but used the same ligature for a long time until I bought a Francois Louis Ultimate brass ligature for it. I noticed with it, I got a less stuffy sounding, less resistant and easier to play low notes depending on its position on the mouthpiece. If the ligature was further back and I'd feel like I was getting a more spitty sound and tuning was harder but closer to the front of the mouthpiece, it worked best for me, no spitty sound and tuning was easier and I have noticed similar when trying different mouthpieces/ligature combinations. I now play on my alto: Selmer S80 C** BG Duo Ligature: Legere Signature 2.25 or Legere Studio Cut 2.25 Vandoren AL5 Vandoren M/O ligature: Legere Signature 2.25 JodyJazz HR* C* BG Duo ligature: Legere Signature 2.75 JodyJazz HR* 5M BG Duo ligature: Legere Signature 2.5
Thanks for sharing Dave. Very interesting. The main reason I suggest not starting on Legere reeds is because of the same issues you had of having trouble finding the right size and breaking reeds. Glad you have found some setups that are working for you.
I've been playing saxophones since 5th grade I'm now a freshman in Highschool and I always just put the reed on first and somehow didn't break them. Thank you for showing a safer way to do that. I play Rico, #2 on my tenor I don remember what I played on an alto. My Band Teacher from middle school that also is a staff member in Highschool marching band told me I should move up to a 2.5 I tried it and it wasn't that bad but I couldn't play low notes and I like low notes. Does anyone recomend Legere reeds?
Started 4 months ago on tenor -have just bought a new a D,Addorio 7 mouthpiece and find it better to warm up on Rico 11/2 then move to a no2 after half an hour .Trying to get in 2 hours a day usually in 3 sessions with a 10--20 minute break..
I’ve been playing Vandoren 2 (purple box) just cause I didn’t know any better and that was the brand at the music shop. I need to branch out and try some other brands. I’m fairly new so 2 is probably a good choice for now. Thank you for the video.
I have been playing 2.5 java jazz reed for about 10 years and never had a drama been playing for about 20 years now when I started out I used the classical vandoran or rico reed. I have just switched to synthetic and loving them been using the Fibracell Premier Synthetic Tenor Saxophone Reed 2.5 they are super easy to play on, I've also just picked up a few Legere Reeds Signature Series Tenor Saxophone Reed 2 and 2.25 I think they play great they are abit harder to play then the Fibracell but I think alot of people would like that sometimes playing the Fibracell it response is just too quick takes some getting use to but once you do they are a fun reed. Just started playing again every day after I destroyed my leg in the Army so alot of spare time and I'm loving it. One question I do have I never really played alto sax and my niece just started out and I've been helping her my question is I put a 2 strength on hers so I could play it for her and I really struggle to get a good sound I play tenor and Bari. It feels like a piece of paper or something is shoved into the neck haha how high should I go up in strength to play an alto coming from tenor/Bari if I use a 2.5 sometimes 3 at gigs?
Hi. Thanks for your comment. Great to hear you like the Fibracell. I always found them to bright for me, but they are popular. Great to hear they are working for you. For the alto question it really depends on the mouthpiece. You’ll probably play a harder reed than your niece because your embouchure is already developed. I’d suggest just experimenting to find what feels right for you. Sorry to hear about your leg. I was actually in the Australian Army Band (based at Duntroon, Canberra) a few years back.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool No way mate that's awesome. Yeah younger me was too pigheaded and stupid I actually make it into the Army band too but I chose to be the big brave infantryman hahaha abousltly loved my time but when my rank and mates found out I passed down the band they gave me alot crap about it hahaha we never listen to anyone when we are younger we always do what we want even if it's the wrong thing haha. Thanks for the advice Ididn't even think about the mouthpiece which is silly of me I'll definitely buy a mid range one for myself just purchase a Jean Paul Alto but waiting for it to rock up.
Well i play mainly classical music and i love that dark and neat sound, so in my alto i use 3 1/2 vandoren v12 reeds and in my bari i use vandoren blue box number 3. Recently i tried legere reeds on my bari and ohh i was quite surprised, although i still prefer cane reeds. When i have to pley jazz i usually use the same reeds than for classical, except in then tenor that i prefer to use La voz or select jazz reeds
Cool, thanks for sharing that. Glad you liked the Legere on Bari. I always used blue box Vandorens when I was playing a lot of classical too. They sound great.
Hi Nigel I have played on Legere on my Berg Larsen mouthpiece and it worked well. Now I play on a Jody Jazz HR 8. This has bigger opening and the Legere reed will be too hard. Now I play on Dádarrio nr 2 and it works well. During my many years of playing I have struggled with reeds to get them play well. Now I think I have invetigated a cheep method to make them play better. I got the idea from a video from Better sax that demonstrated Reed Geek. In that video it was obvious how important it was to have the backside completely straight and flat . I tried to flatten with that kind of blade you use in the household. By holding the blade against the surface and look against the light I can see when the surface is flat. If it not flat I take off some material on the middle of the backside until the surface is flat After this I test it by the "popsuction" on the mouthpiece. By doing this I can use many of the reeds that I have waisted before. I have also tried to rinse them in 3 % hydrogenperoxide but have not seen any improvements. Please respond if it works for you too.
Hi Leif. I only use Legere now so don’t need to spend any time adjusting them, but previously I always used the Reed Geek - it’s amazing (there is a review I did of it on my channel too). I never really tried the hydrogen peroxide rinse though.
Hi. In woodwork when French polishing we sanded the wood then dampened it to raise the grain and sanded again. The only way to get a mirror finish. Guess reeds are the same.
Minor edit: I am using a Vandoren V16 (A6) mouthpiece, with a BG L12 ligature on my alto saxophone, together with a Vandoren strength 2 (cane) reed. I think it's a Java reed.
Noel This is great stuff, Nigel. I am very much a beginner on tenor sax and your video (and the responses) have helped me deal with my frustrations regarding reed issues in particular what is causing various reeds (or the student) to behave badly with different squeaks, squawks, blats etc. I will stick with cane for another 6-8 months and then go and try Legere. I really appreciate the level of detail in your vid. Any chance of another video some time on the science behind why reeds of varying strengths don't always behave the way we want them to and way they can start to respond differently after using them for 15 or 20 minutes. Further, we can waste time when starting practice, in trying to tune the mouthpiece on the neck when the problem really is the reed - because it is too hard, too soft, or not wet enough etc (assuming embouchure is ok). And then there is the problem of moisture in the neck etc which seems to compromise sound quality. Thanks again.
Very helpful video, thank you! I'm a beginner and found the Fibracell 2.5 to be fantastic vs a Rico 2.5. The tone was great, set up super easy, didn't have that bright, tinny synthetic sound, and pretry consistent. I hated the Rico, but i suspect (based on your video) that the reed was probably too hard. I may also try the synthetic brand you recommended foe comparison with the Fibracell, so thank you! Cheers! 🎷🎶
I've been learning off and on for a few years on an old Freedom alto I bought at a garage sale. I started with a Rico 2, then I bought some Vandoren 2.5 on advice from an experienced friend. I struggled with these until I learned about Legere. I bought a 2.25 and fell in love. Recently I upgraded to a new Jean Paul alto, and I tried to go back to the vandoren but my embouchure showed me up, so back to the Rico 2, which is so much easier. But I keep going back to the Legere, it's so smooth and easy to blow.
I come from the clarinet whre I usede to play Vandoren size 3. On Tenor sax I use a metal mouthpiece and either Vandoren 2, but I prefer Legere 2 or 21/2 plasic reeed or Fibracell mediumwith plastic coating. I want get have a "jazz sound" and I think a metal mouthpiece with plastic reed is godd for that
I switched from cane to Legere Signature 2 a few months ago after watching this video. It took me a while to get used to and at first I kept switching back to the cane, but once I got used to it I became a total Legere convert! I’m an intermediate player (only just got back into tenor sax during lockdown and completing your free 2-week sample course after only having played in high school) Anyway I recently noticed my sound feeling a bit “mushy” (I play around 3 hours a day on the same Legere Signature 2 reed for past 3 months) so ordered a new one, thought maybe I needed to go up a size but couldn’t find any 2.25 online only a 2.75. It arrived yesterday and its WAY too hard for me! Embouchure was aching after playing 2 tunes, sounded way too windy and was really hard to get a good sound out. So I contacted the music shop if ordered it from on Ebay and asked if I could return it and exchange for a lesser strength or another #2 as their listed policy said returns accepted within 30 days and I said I’d heard that you could do this with Legere reeds and they said No! Due to the Covid situation they will not accept returns on reeds unless they were faulty, not if “you changed your mind”. So just wanted to let you everyone know that the Legere exchange program is not currently operating. I’m really disappointed as I can’t afford to buy another one and now I’m stuck with a reed I can’t play, so I guess it’s back to canes for now. 😢
Hi Nigel, thanks for your tips, great info & I am glad you talked about synthetic reeds as well. I recently tried one but I find it slips about on the mouth piece. I use a B&G jazz ligature.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I did also buy a fibracell reed but it had a sort of buzzy sound to it. I have been playing with Rico select jazz lately due to braces on my teeth. Having said that I have tried many reeds,mostly bamboo. I have one synthetic which has consistency of sound but as I said I find it slips about on my mouth piece. I joined a band 12 months ago & I really love it. A concert band but not really a standard one lol.
@@Kazzandshazz I find the Fibracell variable. Some sound 'wooly'. I was told the formula changed around three years ago. Don't know if that's true though. I still use them.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool When I had my Conn I tried out many mouthpieces and found the Jody Jazz HR* and it made a huge difference to my sound. I then bought a Jean Paul USA alto sax and it came with a mouthpiece and it play very well. They sent me their pro mouthpiece and it is also a very good mouthpiece in fact I really do not have a preference between the three mouthpieces ... so I am using the J.P. pro with my Legere reed, I like it a little better because it has a lower profile ... It is not as chunky as the Jody Jazz. I thought that was very interesting because different mouthpieces on the Conn made a huge difference ... on the J.P. very little. Thanks for doing what you are doing here... I have just started your 14 days.
Reed/mouthpiece combo and setup is way more important than anyone told me. I started collecting reeds 40 years ago so have a little library. Legere in NZ is $65 which to me is exorbitant . Anyone have a good idea to re profile old reeds? At present I just sand by eye which is better than discarding. Happy blowing
I'm using a Rico #2. Maybe I need to change. I'm surprised that the air needed to play the sax isn't as bad as everyone warned me about. I also play a flute (my original instrument).
My local store had a "test drive" night last fall, when I got to play an alto for the first time in 40 years, and a tenor for the first time ever. My experience was that my baritone takes a lot of air, but less air pressure. The alto takes less air but lots of air pressure. The tenor was in the middle for both. I also tried a flute but failed miserably!
Thanks everyone for the encouragement and tips. I'm really want to do this. I was loaned a baritone sax from my director who received it for free. I love the sound of saxophones. When I told him I was willing to learn his jaw dropped...haha. My flute section doesn't want me to leave but I think I need something new. I am teaching myself so I am so glad to have found this school!!!!
Thank you, Nigel. That really helps! I am a novice (but 67 yo), and I find 1.5 easy to play, but with no sound body and quality. So, I will try 2.0 Legere signature, and go from there. Also, I want to ask you what Vendoren line I should explore in terms of cane reeds? I like the sound from Red Java at 2.0 and Traditional 2.0. Can you recommend between the two? Thanks again. I think you are a great teacher.
Thanks! Reeds are a very personal thing. For Vandoren I’ve just always gone with the classic “blue box”. If I’m not playing Legere, it’s those. Thanks for watching.
Hi Nigel , I’m playing fiberreed hemp size MS on a Shiva destroyer 8* as I play in a rock band and double on guitar it’s an easy change , MS lets me play the low notes easier too , no problems with the highs but I’ve recently noticed I’m getting a bit too much of a fizzy tone !
Wow, that’s a serious setup Alan. I’ll bet you get a huge sound. Not sure about the fizzy tone though. In my experience lots of synthetic reeds sound very bright, which might be what you mean. I wonder how a cane MS would sound?
Hi Nigel , I’ve tried cane in various brands and strengths with little success but the one thing you said in your video about developing your embouchure muscles is where I’m focusing as I’m primarily the rhythm guitar in our band and when I change to the sax a synthetic reed guarantees no squeaks lol 😂, just maybe I’m easy comfortable on a MS and maybe I’m overblowing the Reed , I find in the house I’m ok , so I’m going to experiment with maybe a M at the gig and see how it does on my Yamaha Tenor Custom 82 Z Thanks for the prompt and helpful video and my reply !
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool Size 4 is like my all around reed that I can use for most music we play in band/others I like and it is plays pretty good. I use the size 2 for specifically slow and lyrical pieces which does the job slightly better for me.
I too play Legere Signature, #3 on my tenor and 2.5 on Alto. I changed to synthetic 5 years ago when starting on sax because I didn't know if my sound problems were me or the reed, Legere is so consistant.
I just bought my new saxophone. To be honest I’m scared. I never touched a saxophone in my life but I just love music and I love saxophone music. Your video is so helpful, thank you for that.
I played sax for 8 years, then took a 7 year break until September last year. When I returned, I was playing on size 2 vandoren blues, but found the sound a bit disappointing. Swapped to 2.5 Blues, fine, but I have had the best sound in 2022 playing on some size 3 Vandoren Red Javas. Really like the projection I get, coupled with my Selmer Soloist C*. Looking to swap to a Jody Jazz HR* soon, and I imagine I will move down to softer reeds as well.
Very useful information. Thanks to you I realized I 've been misunderstanding reeds for the last 25 years
Playing since I was 10, now 73, and I have only been using ricco 2.5 in the old brown box! What I use now in community concert band in Minnesota.
I started playing the sax using 2/½ reeds ( they were the only size i could get during the quarantine) , recently I started attending classes and I explained my situation to my teacher, he recommended me medium Rico La Voz reeds, and they have worked super well for me!
After 6 month now with my new mouthpiece, Jody Jazz custom dark (tip opening 6 + power ring), I play now Legere american cut 2 1/2. N° 2 is definitively too soft for me. I regularly try other reeds, also cane reeds, but for me Legere american cut 2 1/2 is definitively the best choice. One reed lasts for 6 month, although I play daily for 3 hours or more. I bought 3 reeds recently and all the 3 are exactly the same, hardly any difference between them. No need the make them wet before playing, just put them on and you are ready to play.
Thanks once more, Nigel, for your recommendation to buy the Jody Jazz custom dark mouthpiece. For me, this was a game changer, I am now getting very close to the sound I ever wanted to have on Tenor sax.
The past five years I have been using Rico and Royals 2 and pure frustration. I saw this video and bought a legere 2. Well Nigel someone put the switch on my Yanni Alto. Amazing Sound. Thanks Nige.
Great to hear that!
Mr. McGill, thanks so much for your lessons, advice and transcriptions! I've found your channel to be one of the best for me as I journey through my tenor saxophone. I've been playing just a little over a year now and seem to improve almost every day. I had been using the D'Addario Royal 2.0's forever and just recently switched to the 2.5s. Figuring out the reed is just a difficult as playing the sax itself. Again, kudos to you!
You’re very welcome and I’m glad these lessons are helping you. 👍
I started on nr 3 Vandooren because my teacher told me to. As it was difficult for me with squeaks etc, I tried 2,5 Vandooren and Rico instead and I found Rico easier to play in the beginning. Now I go between Legeer 3 and Vandooren 3. I play a Yamaha YTS 280. I have been playing for 9 months and have much stronger muscles. I learn a lot from your lessons and I improvise a lot apart from practicing scales and following a book. I take private lessons twice a week. I want to say Thank you, you are highly appreciated!
I’m a new saxophone player I’ve been playing for a couple weeks in 6th grade band and I use Vandoren reeds in 2.5 and I think it feels good
I love Boston sax shop tenor cane reeds, they are awsome, gives it that warm mellow, husky tone. Easy to growl on them, as opposed to my Legere signature reeds.
I'm 77 and started alto around last Christmas . I practice 2-3 hrs per day on a rico 1.5, although I have one of the set of 3 reeds, that is too hard for me and one that is too soft, and one that is sweet, perfect for my embouchure on my yamaha 4c mouthpiece on my YAS23. Occasionally I try my D'Addario Select Jazz 7, on which I use that very soft reed, but I'm not quite ready to handle that yet, as I can't play pianissimo with it. I use the Reed Geek to improve my reeds. Thanks for the thorough explanation of selecting reeds, very good to know.
Hi Nigel. I'm 57, live near Winchester and am at my 1st days in learning the alto sax. I've bought a Jupiter. I'm hoping you're lessons along with my effort will be all I need to get there. I'm currently using a Rico 1.5. Just moved down from a 2.5 on your advice.
Awesome Tim. Have fun!
Just watched your video about reeds. I thought it was brilliant! I have just bought a sax in lockdown and learning from scratch. The sax cam with a box of 2.5 reeds and it took me two day get a note !! I had ordered online some 1.5 and 2 strength reeds. Have been using the 1.5s but didn't know if I was right in doing so! I do find them so much easier that the 2.5s. A very informative video for an extreme novice.
Thank you
With me it was the other way round. I started on Synthetic reeds, but had problems with keeping the high notes in Tune and not sharp.
I have now gone back to cane reeds and using the reed geek!
I don't understand how the reed geek works. I've seen it used on you tube but how to you know what needs the reed geek
@@johnchristakis5877 I usually make the back of the reed flat an then adjust the other side as necessary. Lots of youtube videos on how to do this.
I've been playing a ( Harry Hartmann Carbon Fiberreed Tenor Saxophone Reed Soft ) since Christmas. And I am thinking it is just the best. First, it's carbon fibre so it don't need to be moistened. I can leave it on my mouthpiece overnight (and it will not warp as it dries. Because it was never wet) and pick up and begin to play in the time it takes to put on a neck-strap. It's going 3 months so far with absolutely no indication of any wear. So, not only is it an awesome thing. It is also an economical thing. Good reeds are not cheap.
Wow, that sounds cool. I haven’t tried those yet but the sound like they behave similarly to the Legere signatures. I love the way they don’t change, warp, dry out etc. Saves a lot of time in the practice room!
Reed cost please
@@varunravalapudi true. They are pricey ($40). But they will last longer than $40 of other reeds by a factor of 2. So yes, it an economical road to go down. Don't look at the money it will cost "today". Look at the money it will save "tomorrow". And it is a better experience the whole way. Don't get a "soft" like I did. I was just in the hospital for a couple months. Soft was my abilities at the time.
Perfect!! I've been playing for years but have always wondered why my mouth became sore (and even my throat). Because of your video I've found the info I needed to confirm I needed to drop down from a 2.5 to a 2. Thank you .
Just started playing tenor sax since freshman year in college (30 plus years). Tried the recommended 2.5 reed and had difficulty obtaining a consistent controllable flow of air and tone. Switched back to the 1.5 and I can play the full range with ease and comfort. Your video I find to be very informative and helpful especially indenturing when it may be time to move a 1/2 step. Will purchase 2.0 and see what happens. Thanks for being here 😊👍🏽!
I am just a beginner - 6 months. Tried many cane and plastic (Legere and Fibracell) from 1.5 to 3. My best (now) is D’Addario Plasticover Alto Sax Reeds 2.0
I can easily take from Low B to D6 practically with same embouchure on Vandoren AL3 and A20.
Vandoren cane 2.0 reeds feels different in strength and has slow response on high notes.
I also like Legere synthetic 1.5 and 2.0 - they work well on low and middle, but on high have slower response (same mouthpieces). My embouchure is too weak yet, maybe that is why.
Not long started learning, using Rico 2 and just ordered a yamaha 4c mouthpiece. Learning on your toolbox course at the moment. 😁
Loved the video! Super important subject. I teach all ages but if we are talking about elementary age kids then starting on a size 2 1/2 is best. It keeps them from biting down which causes them to have difficulty in making sound. The extra resistance counters the biting. Keep up the great work! I’m a long time subscriber and I’ve enjoyed your blues mastery course.
Thanks a bunch Bob. Really interesting that you start kids on 2.5. I’m always looking for new ideas on this.
Hi Nigel, As a biginner, I was suggested to use a Yamaha 5C mouthpiece with 2.0 Rico reeds. I like the sound I get out of it by now but still find it more difficult to play the lower notes.
Hello and thank you sooo much, I was getting crazy with the cane reeds in the last weeks. I see your video two days ago and today arrived the american cut #1,5 from Legere.... Evviva what a great solution. Next week a signature reed with a 1,75 , can't wait to try and play both of them. I got my first sax in april, learning by my self and your videos are very awesome, with a clear message and tipps. thanks and Greetings from Italy
I’m so glad the videos are helping you Andrea. Enjoy the Legere Signature reeds when they come!
My favorite is Peter Ponzol 2 1/2 - 3 for almost 20 years on Tenor and Soprano. Most consistent and great sound! Very rarely ever found a reed that didn’t play perfect right out of the box! Most of my students play them!
Thanks Tim, actually I used Ponzol reeds a number of years ago and loved them too.
McGill Music Sax School I am looking for them today and it seems I cannot find any. I sure hope they have not discontinued them. I have a box left. This will be horrible if they’ve stopped making them. Why would they do that if they did.
Fibracell 3.5 and 3.0 on my Tenor. I find they play a little on the soft side so that's why I play a higher numbered reed. They also have more of cane reed texture feel in my mouth. I have tried the Legere signature series which play fine but, I prefer the Fibracell.
Cheers for sharing Ron. Really interesting. What mouthpiece are you playing on?
Nigel when I played in a rock band I was using a Vandoren jumbo Java . I now use a Yamaha mouth piece for my smooth jazz quartet.
Hi Nigel 🙋🏻♀️ Because of you, legere girl here though I do use cane reeds just because. Thank you for all of you videos! Cheers
You are so 🙏
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool 🥰
LOL! I use a bunch, Legere signature 2.5, American Cut 2.5, Fred Hemke 2.5, Vandoren V21 2.5, V.12 2.5 switching constantly depending on what I''m doing. I work in a music store so that helps!
I've jusy started playing the saxaphone yesterday (Sunday) and I'm using a 2 and a half cane Reed that came with it, but I also have an extra box of reeds too
This lesson have been pretty much helpful as a beginner
Great information! My band teachers never taught about reeds or any sax playing tips. I use 1.5 to 2.0 Fibracell reeds on a metal E. Rousseau mouthpiece to achieve the sound I enjoy. Thanks for all of your informative help!!
Hi I use a Legere signature #2 reed and find this works very well for me
I was using Rico Royals in 2.0 to 2.5 depending on which mouthpiece. I have a "BYET" brand Chinese brass mouthpiece I got for $33 on Amazon that I kind of want to slap a 3 on because it takes so little breath to get a sound. I've also got a Legere clone that I *love* (Didn't know it was a clone when I received it as a review sample) so I'll be getting the real Legere when this one finally wears out :)
Rico Royal I should add, are super easy to tweak if you get a "bad" one. As long as it's not split or chipped, a little sanding is usually all it takes to at least get it playable.
Interesting.
i play with a 2 and they work super good for me
I have been using Legere Signature 2.25 for 3 years on a 4 digit Brilhart Level-Air 9*
Great combo!
If you're just starting out, get a Legere 2 - 2.5 and just play that for a year or two. Why add in the extra worry of working reeds and stuff until you're more confident? Just my two cents. 1.5 seems too soft unless you start on a big tip opening mouthpiece.
I'm using a Vandoren 1.5 on a xaphoon
Hi Nigel,
Like others who have commented, I started with cane reeds for my alto and tenor but switched to Legere Signatures, 2.25 to 2.5. Every once in a while I'll pull out a Vandoren Java 2.5 cane reed or LaVoz medium soft cane reed. This lasts about 15 minutes before I put in my trusty Lagere.
One thing about Legere and getting the right strength reed when players make the switch. Legere has a reed strength Comparison chart for many woodwinds including sax.
Thanks Wayne. Great to hear you are enjoying the Legeres too. I haven’t gone back to cane at all - I’ve been playing Legere for about 2 years now. Good point about the comparison chart. It’s very helpful. Here’s a link: www.legere.com/need-to-know/strength-charts/
Am just trying to learn now through ur channel here today
Welcome. There’s loads here to help you.
I’m still a beginner have been on and off changing teachers but I was using a 1.5 Rico and have been advised to switch to a 2 hopefully with constant practice I’ll be able to get better
I've been playing vandoren zz 3 on tenor and alto for the past 5 years or so :D
After trying at least 10 different reed styles and manufacturers, I found that as a new player, the Rico thin-cut unfiled 2.5 reed works the best with one caveat. I flatten the bottom with the Reed Geek and gently smooth the top. Doing that makes the sound great, and I can hit low C and B. The high notes are easier to play as well.
Great information Nigel.
Problem with beginners is we don't know whether the problem is the reed, our weak muscles or something else.
Also how do you know when to throw out your cane or synthetic reed if they are not cracked or visibly defective?
If I base it on how my playing sounds I would be throwing boxes of reeds out every day!
I hear you John. We all go through lots of reeds, but using something like a Reed Geek can help to sort out more of your cane reeds. I think it takes a while for your embouchure to develop before you start to see more consistency with your tone and reeds. So spend plenty of time on your warmups, long tones and slow melodies.
Most cane reeds with normal playing start to wear out between 2 & 4 weeks. You can still play on them but you’ll notice a difference in sound and resistance when playing on that reed compared to a newer one.
I'm sure this is a very common comment, but I played tenor for 2 years in middle school band, and recently (25 years later) a friend gifted me an alto (of course it couldn't be a tenor :/) so here I go trying to see if I can make sounds again... reeds arrive tomorrow. I may need to take it to the local music shop, but showing it to a sax-playing friend of mine yesterday, and seeing him put his mouthpiece on and hit a home run right away - I realized it wasn't too late, and it was possible - this is step 2! - thanks so much.
Go for it Zachary! What kind of music do you want to play on your sax?
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I plan to incorporate a clip-on microphone so I can run the sax sound through some pedals -- overdrive and maybe echo or chorus. I'm hoping to create vast soundscapes you can envisage when you listen with eyes closed. Oh, and I'm able to make some sounds with the #2 reed - not fantastic, repeatable tones yet, but I'll get there. Thanks for the reply!
Really enjoying using D’Addairo Select 2 hard on my Select Jazz tenor mouthpiece , D7M Sandstone marble . I started using the Select Jazz 3 soft but it requires more adjustments with my reed geek . But to be honest I have used vandoren Java’s without trouble either . It’s a reed friendly mouthpiece ,so there’s that . Take care , be safe
I love your useful information and explantion about types of reeds and their functions. Thank you.
Back in the day, I played a Rico 2.5 on my baritone. After a 40 year hiatus, I'm back and started with cane reeds but quickly jumped to a Legere Signature 2 and have been playing them for over a year. I love the consistency, the durability and the sound, though getting them correctly positioned on the mouthpiece is a little tricky sometimes because they are clear and my eyes aren't as good as they used to be. I'm really enjoying the 2, but will order a 2.25 or 2.5 next time just to try it out.
Great to hear that Ray. You know I really struggle to see if they are lined up on the mouthpiece properly too. Need my reading glasses these days!!!
Good on you, somebody who doesn't recommend the usual 2.5 for everybody. Much too stiff for starters. I have piles of Rico Royals and a few Vandorens, but nowadays use Fibracell 1.0 or 1.5 on everything, soprano to baritone (bass clarinet reeds for the C Melodies). With stiffer reeds all I get out of any sax are sounds like storm winds through the trees. Other synthetics? Baris are too stiff for me. I have a Legere reed on a clarinet but don't recall much about it one way or the other. Fibracells have worked well for me on sax and clarinet. I actually sound seriously gawd-awful on everything, but with the synthetics I at least don't have to wait for them to get damp first.
I just started sax for the first time and I chose to do soprano with a 2.5 reed… it’s not too hard actually… in my opinion starting with a harder reed will yield a higher rate of growth in the mouth muscles. But it’s probably not good for impatient people
Soprano: Conn-Selmer Liberty
D'Addario Royal (Blue box) 2.5 filed.
Yamaha 7 C
Alto: Elkhart DeLuxe
Fibracell 2.5
Beechler Bellite 8
Tenor: Selmer MkVI
Roberto's Winds 2.5 TS
Berg Larsen s/s 110/2 M
55 years ago used PTD fibreglass as allergic to cane, fine now
I’ve played trombone for 3 years now and I decided I wanted to try beri sax and I’m doing good I started yesterday but the moly side reed my band director gad was a 3.75 so it’s not hard but it is a little harder to get a note.
I have been using Legere Signature 2.75 for alto and Tenor. Both on size 6 mouthpieces. Very easy to get on with but they do tend to be come curved eventually. When this happens, I put them in boiling water for a minute or so which revives them for the first few times. By doing this, I get more than a year playing for each reed.
Wow that’s a great tip!
Tried front door and Juno designed for beginning youngsters? Tried investing in a Reed clipper for when the reed is just too soft. Nigel started her does the right strands but constant playing bends the reed backwards and forwards and it loses its elasticity. Clip a bit off the tip which makes the reader feel harder again. It's not a bad thing having a few reed problems because we have to learn to adjust them conversely what to do when it is too hard! Thank you for your informative inspiring videos. God bless you and yours - Bill - UK.
Vraiment parfait Nigel . Ce sont là tous des conseils DE BON SENS . Alors que nous savons bien que le bon sens se fait de plus en plus rare à notre époque , ça rend ta vidéo encore plus précieuse . Un grand merci pour les jeunes !!!
Every now and then I buy a bunch of different reeds (brands, sizes) to try out. Roughly about once per year. My latest find was the Vandoren V12 size 2.5. Just perfect for me... right at the moment. Of course, this might change again. :)
Ha! Great to hear you are experimenting though. Lots of options out there!
I use Rico Royal 1.5 and 2 - plastic coated tip. Yamaha 4C mouthpiece.
I have been learning with strength 2 then I went to 2.5. I tried 3 but it was overly tiring. So 2.5 it is. The ones I prefer are Vandooren V16 or Java although I started with Rico, all natural reeds. I have never tried synthetic ones.
Great to see you have tried a few sizes. 2.5 is a good one to settle on. I never liked any synthetics until I tried the Legere Signature reeds. Now I only use them.
I normally use Plasticover by D’Addario 2.5, 3 and even 3.5. I also use sometimes Forestone medium strength. For some reason, I have not been so lucky using cane reeds, they just don’t sound bright enough, which is the sound I prefer. I am tempted to try Legere next to see what happens. BTW, I a part of the McGill Sax School.
Learned on an alto and bari; I just picked back up a tenor after 25 year break. I’m currently using Cecilio 2.5 but my preference was always Vandoran, didn’t care for Rico. Don’t know if they had synthetic available back in the day.
After playing flute for decades, I bought a sax last month. YUM! I have been playing on D'Adarrio 2M and 2H Jazz Select.
I have nothing else to which I can compare, but I think I like the 2H better.
I'm so curious about Legere. Maybe 2.25?
Hey Nigel... thank you for your great videos. =)
Juno 1.5, Juno 2.5 cane reeds. Legere Studio cut 2.0, Legere American Cut 2.0, Legere classic 2.0 reeds
I think you are right about starting off with cane reeds first but no reason why you can't. I started on Legere Signature reeds on my alto sax as I wanted a consistent sound and to know my playing issues were with me and not the reeds. However at the time I felt like one lasted me less than a month as I somehow split at the tip of 3 in 3 months and no one knew how I was doing that, which wasn't good, especially given their price. For a while I did try cane reeds and tried D'addario Select Jazz filed and unfiled, La Voz and Rico Royal and was never really happy with the sound I was getting.
I did move back to playing Legere signature reeds after 7-8 months but for a time felt they were either too hard to play or buzzy and not smooth sounding at all at any strength I tried. I instead tried Studio Cut reeds. They had more resistance and that gave me the smooth response I needed, but I was never happy with the straighter tone I got with them. I tried some other reeds but these responded best to me. Eventually I decided to try signature reeds again as I want to get a soprano sax at some point in the future but Legere don't make Studio Cut reeds for soprano and I wanted to keep my mouthpiece/reed setup the same as I have on my alto.
That was about 4 months ago and after switching back to Signature reeds and nearly 2 years of playing and now play a 2.25 on my Selmer S80 C** and Vandoren AL5, I seem to be getting the better response I want from the reeds and I can have one last 2+ months without going bad. I did also find that the type of ligature and the position of the ligature I was using, had a noticeable impact on the feel and response I got from my reeds and that might have effected how I was feeling about the reeds I was using.
When I stated playing, I got the sax.co.uk mouthpiece upgrade with a Yamaha 4C and a Rovner Dark ligature. It was fine and helped me progress, and I switched mouthpieces to a Selmer S80 C** but used the same ligature for a long time until I bought a Francois Louis Ultimate brass ligature for it. I noticed with it, I got a less stuffy sounding, less resistant and easier to play low notes depending on its position on the mouthpiece. If the ligature was further back and I'd feel like I was getting a more spitty sound and tuning was harder but closer to the front of the mouthpiece, it worked best for me, no spitty sound and tuning was easier and I have noticed similar when trying different mouthpieces/ligature combinations. I now play on my alto:
Selmer S80 C** BG Duo Ligature: Legere Signature 2.25 or Legere Studio Cut 2.25
Vandoren AL5 Vandoren M/O ligature: Legere Signature 2.25
JodyJazz HR* C* BG Duo ligature: Legere Signature 2.75
JodyJazz HR* 5M BG Duo ligature: Legere Signature 2.5
Thanks for sharing Dave. Very interesting. The main reason I suggest not starting on Legere reeds is because of the same issues you had of having trouble finding the right size and breaking reeds. Glad you have found some setups that are working for you.
I've been playing saxophones since 5th grade I'm now a freshman in Highschool and I always just put the reed on first and somehow didn't break them. Thank you for showing a safer way to do that. I play Rico, #2 on my tenor I don remember what I played on an alto. My Band Teacher from middle school that also is a staff member in Highschool marching band told me I should move up to a 2.5 I tried it and it wasn't that bad but I couldn't play low notes and I like low notes. Does anyone recomend Legere reeds?
Started 4 months ago on tenor -have just bought a new a D,Addorio 7 mouthpiece and find it better to warm up on Rico 11/2 then move to a no2 after half an hour .Trying to get in 2 hours a day usually in 3 sessions with a 10--20 minute break..
I’ve been playing Vandoren 2 (purple box) just cause I didn’t know any better and that was the brand at the music shop. I need to branch out and try some other brands. I’m fairly new so 2 is probably a good choice for now.
Thank you for the video.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching - Vandoren reeds are excellent but there are lots of alternatives to try.
I have been playing 2.5 java jazz reed for about 10 years and never had a drama been playing for about 20 years now when I started out I used the classical vandoran or rico reed. I have just switched to synthetic and loving them been using the Fibracell Premier Synthetic Tenor Saxophone Reed 2.5 they are super easy to play on, I've also just picked up a few Legere Reeds Signature Series Tenor Saxophone Reed 2 and 2.25 I think they play great they are abit harder to play then the Fibracell but I think alot of people would like that sometimes playing the Fibracell it response is just too quick takes some getting use to but once you do they are a fun reed. Just started playing again every day after I destroyed my leg in the Army so alot of spare time and I'm loving it. One question I do have I never really played alto sax and my niece just started out and I've been helping her my question is I put a 2 strength on hers so I could play it for her and I really struggle to get a good sound I play tenor and Bari. It feels like a piece of paper or something is shoved into the neck haha how high should I go up in strength to play an alto coming from tenor/Bari if I use a 2.5 sometimes 3 at gigs?
Hi. Thanks for your comment. Great to hear you like the Fibracell. I always found them to bright for me, but they are popular. Great to hear they are working for you. For the alto question it really depends on the mouthpiece. You’ll probably play a harder reed than your niece because your embouchure is already developed. I’d suggest just experimenting to find what feels right for you. Sorry to hear about your leg. I was actually in the Australian Army Band (based at Duntroon, Canberra) a few years back.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool No way mate that's awesome. Yeah younger me was too pigheaded and stupid I actually make it into the Army band too but I chose to be the big brave infantryman hahaha abousltly loved my time but when my rank and mates found out I passed down the band they gave me alot crap about it hahaha we never listen to anyone when we are younger we always do what we want even if it's the wrong thing haha. Thanks for the advice Ididn't even think about the mouthpiece which is silly of me I'll definitely buy a mid range one for myself just purchase a Jean Paul Alto but waiting for it to rock up.
I am using a rico reed
Legere Signature Series, size 2. LOVE these!
Awesome Charles!
Beat me to it :)
#masks4all
I use vandoren Java size 3.5 also Boston sax shop size 3. Clarinet I use the legere signature size 2.5.
Cool. I’m using Legere on my clarinet too. They work great too!
Your videos are very helpful. Thank you.
Well i play mainly classical music and i love that dark and neat sound, so in my alto i use 3 1/2 vandoren v12 reeds and in my bari i use vandoren blue box number 3. Recently i tried legere reeds on my bari and ohh i was quite surprised, although i still prefer cane reeds. When i have to pley jazz i usually use the same reeds than for classical, except in then tenor that i prefer to use La voz or select jazz reeds
Cool, thanks for sharing that. Glad you liked the Legere on Bari. I always used blue box Vandorens when I was playing a lot of classical too. They sound great.
Hi Nigel
I have played on Legere on my Berg Larsen mouthpiece and it worked well. Now I play on a Jody Jazz HR 8. This has bigger opening and the Legere reed will be too hard. Now I play on Dádarrio nr 2
and it works well. During my many years of playing I have struggled with reeds to get them play well. Now I think I have invetigated a cheep method to make them play better.
I got the idea from a video from Better sax that demonstrated Reed Geek. In that video it was obvious how important it was to have the backside completely straight and flat .
I tried to flatten with that kind of blade you use in the household. By holding the blade against the surface and look against the light I can see when the surface is flat. If it not flat I take off some material on the middle of the backside until the surface is flat After this I test it by the "popsuction" on the mouthpiece. By doing this I can use many of the reeds that I have waisted before. I have also tried to rinse them in 3 % hydrogenperoxide but have not seen any improvements. Please respond if it works for you too.
Hi Leif. I only use Legere now so don’t need to spend any time adjusting them, but previously I always used the Reed Geek - it’s amazing (there is a review I did of it on my channel too). I never really tried the hydrogen peroxide rinse though.
Hi. In woodwork when French polishing we sanded the wood then dampened it to raise the grain and sanded again. The only way to get a mirror finish. Guess reeds are the same.
Minor edit: I am using a Vandoren V16 (A6) mouthpiece, with a BG L12 ligature on my alto saxophone, together with a Vandoren strength 2 (cane) reed. I think it's a Java reed.
Nice one.
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool thanks! I made a slight edit to my original post, elaborating a bit :)
I started on a 2.5
Noel
This is great stuff, Nigel. I am very much a beginner on tenor sax and your video (and the responses) have helped me deal with my frustrations regarding reed issues in particular what is causing various reeds (or the student) to behave badly with different squeaks, squawks, blats etc. I will stick with cane for another 6-8 months and then go and try Legere. I really appreciate the level of detail in your vid. Any chance of another video some time on the science behind why reeds of varying strengths don't always behave the way we want them to and way they can start to respond differently after using them for 15 or 20 minutes. Further, we can waste time when starting practice, in trying to tune the mouthpiece on the neck when the problem really is the reed - because it is too hard, too soft, or not wet enough etc (assuming embouchure is ok). And then there is the problem of moisture in the neck etc which seems to compromise sound quality.
Thanks again.
Great Info.. I use a 2.25 synthetic , up from a 2 , was not reaching those high notes very well. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge
Very helpful video, thank you! I'm a beginner and found the Fibracell 2.5 to be fantastic vs a Rico 2.5. The tone was great, set up super easy, didn't have that bright, tinny synthetic sound, and pretry consistent. I hated the Rico, but i suspect (based on your video) that the reed was probably too hard. I may also try the synthetic brand you recommended foe comparison with the Fibracell, so thank you!
Cheers! 🎷🎶
You’re welcome! Let me know what you think of the Legere reeds when you try them.
I've been learning off and on for a few years on an old Freedom alto I bought at a garage sale. I started with a Rico 2, then I bought some Vandoren 2.5 on advice from an experienced friend. I struggled with these until I learned about Legere. I bought a 2.25 and fell in love. Recently I upgraded to a new Jean Paul alto, and I tried to go back to the vandoren but my embouchure showed me up, so back to the Rico 2, which is so much easier. But I keep going back to the Legere, it's so smooth and easy to blow.
I come from the clarinet whre I usede to play Vandoren size 3. On Tenor sax I use a metal mouthpiece and either Vandoren 2, but I prefer Legere 2 or 21/2 plasic reeed or Fibracell mediumwith plastic coating. I want get have a "jazz sound" and I think a metal mouthpiece with plastic reed is godd for that
I PLAY ON N2, BECAUSE I PLAY AN HAUER OR TWO.ITS A LOT OF TIME FOR HARDEST REEDS! THANKS!
I switched from cane to Legere Signature 2 a few months ago after watching this video. It took me a while to get used to and at first I kept switching back to the cane, but once I got used to it I became a total Legere convert! I’m an intermediate player (only just got back into tenor sax during lockdown and completing your free 2-week sample course after only having played in high school)
Anyway I recently noticed my sound feeling a bit “mushy” (I play around 3 hours a day on the same Legere Signature 2 reed for past 3 months) so ordered a new one, thought maybe I needed to go up a size but couldn’t find any 2.25 online only a 2.75. It arrived yesterday and its WAY too hard for me! Embouchure was aching after playing 2 tunes, sounded way too windy and was really hard to get a good sound out. So I contacted the music shop if ordered it from on Ebay and asked if I could return it and exchange for a lesser strength or another #2 as their listed policy said returns accepted within 30 days and I said I’d heard that you could do this with Legere reeds and they said No! Due to the Covid situation they will not accept returns on reeds unless they were faulty, not if “you changed your mind”. So just wanted to let you everyone know that the Legere exchange program is not currently operating. I’m really disappointed as I can’t afford to buy another one and now I’m stuck with a reed I can’t play, so I guess it’s back to canes for now. 😢
I’m sorry to hear that Lisa. Thanks for letting me know. Legere have (pre Covid) always had an exchange policy.
I play (and started out) on a 2.5 Rico Royal reed and I think that they do a swell job.
Thanks for the information I play ALTO Sax reed's D'Addario 2 medium select jazz. I am from Sydney Australia
I play on Vandoren Rue Lupic 3.5’s
Hi Nigel, thanks for your tips, great info & I am glad you talked about synthetic reeds as well. I recently tried one but I find it slips about on the mouth piece. I use a B&G jazz ligature.
I find synthetics slip on my Beechler Bellite. I use Fibracell as they are closer to real cane.
That’s interesting. I don’t find my Legere reeds slip but it is a bit harder to see when they are lined up correctly. (Or maybe that’s just my eyes!)
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool I did also buy a fibracell reed but it had a sort of buzzy sound to it. I have been playing with Rico select jazz lately due to braces on my teeth. Having said that I have tried many reeds,mostly bamboo. I have one synthetic which has consistency of sound but as I said I find it slips about on my mouth piece. I joined a band 12 months ago & I really love it. A concert band but not really a standard one lol.
Ohh oops sorry for the typos😂😂 I hope you read typonese.
@@Kazzandshazz
I find the Fibracell variable. Some sound 'wooly'. I was told the formula changed around three years ago. Don't know if that's true though. I still use them.
I play a Legare 2....love it...great sound an consistency
I love the consistency too Landis. What mouthpiece are you using?
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool When I had my Conn I tried out many mouthpieces and found the Jody Jazz HR* and it made a huge difference to my sound. I then bought a Jean Paul USA alto sax and it came with a mouthpiece and it play very well. They sent me their pro mouthpiece and it is also a very good mouthpiece in fact I really do not have a preference between the three mouthpieces ... so I am using the J.P. pro with my Legere reed, I like it a little better because it has a lower profile ... It is not as chunky as the Jody Jazz. I thought that was very interesting because different mouthpieces on the Conn made a huge difference ... on the J.P. very little.
Thanks for doing what you are doing here... I have just started your 14 days.
Fantastic tutorial Nigel, I love watching your videos, so interesting and informative. Love sax school too.
I am using Legere reeds, 2 1/4 and 2 1/2....and La Voz medium
Cool Alejandro. Isn’t it great that Legere come in 1/4 sizes!
Reed/mouthpiece combo and setup is way more important than anyone told me. I started collecting reeds 40 years ago so have a little library. Legere in NZ is $65 which to me is exorbitant . Anyone have a good idea to re profile old reeds? At present I just sand by eye which is better than discarding. Happy blowing
I'm using a Rico #2. Maybe I need to change. I'm surprised that the air needed to play the sax isn't as bad as everyone warned me about. I also play a flute (my original instrument).
Ha! Coming from flute it will seem easier - you are used to using lots of air!
My local store had a "test drive" night last fall, when I got to play an alto for the first time in 40 years, and a tenor for the first time ever. My experience was that my baritone takes a lot of air, but less air pressure. The alto takes less air but lots of air pressure. The tenor was in the middle for both. I also tried a flute but failed miserably!
Thanks everyone for the encouragement and tips. I'm really want to do this. I was loaned a baritone sax from my director who received it for free. I love the sound of saxophones. When I told him I was willing to learn his jaw dropped...haha. My flute section doesn't want me to leave but I think I need something new. I am teaching myself so I am so glad to have found this school!!!!
@@MyRackley Hi. Thank you for your kind words. What kind of mouthpiece do you have? Does it matter the brand?
Thank you, Nigel. That really helps! I am a novice (but 67 yo), and I find 1.5 easy to play, but with no sound body and quality. So, I will try 2.0 Legere signature, and go from there. Also, I want to ask you what Vendoren line I should explore in terms of cane reeds? I like the sound from Red Java at 2.0 and Traditional 2.0. Can you recommend between the two? Thanks again. I think you are a great teacher.
Thanks! Reeds are a very personal thing. For Vandoren I’ve just always gone with the classic “blue box”. If I’m not playing Legere, it’s those. Thanks for watching.
A synthetic Reed on my saxophone baritone
Thank you for all the advise! I think I need to get a softer reed!
Definitely worth trying Nicole.
Hi Nigel , I’m playing fiberreed hemp size MS on a Shiva destroyer 8* as I play in a rock band and double on guitar it’s an easy change , MS lets me play the low notes easier too , no problems with the highs but I’ve recently noticed I’m getting a bit too much of a fizzy tone !
Wow, that’s a serious setup Alan. I’ll bet you get a huge sound. Not sure about the fizzy tone though. In my experience lots of synthetic reeds sound very bright, which might be what you mean. I wonder how a cane MS would sound?
Hi Nigel , I’ve tried cane in various brands and strengths with little success but the one thing you said in your video about developing your embouchure muscles is where I’m focusing as I’m primarily the rhythm guitar in our band and when I change to the sax a synthetic reed guarantees no squeaks lol 😂, just maybe I’m easy comfortable on a MS and maybe I’m overblowing the Reed , I find in the house I’m ok , so I’m going to experiment with maybe a M at the gig and see how it does on my Yamaha Tenor Custom 82 Z
Thanks for the prompt and helpful video and my reply !
Thanks so much. I am totally new to the Baritone Sax. This helped a lot.
Cool, glad to help!
brilliant video just started will keep wayching
Java red vandoren size 3.
Vandoren 2.5 and Fiber 3.0 plays nice
I mostly play on size 4 Vandoren V16 and sometimes on a size 2 Vandoren bluebox.
Wow, so size 4 AND size 2?
@@McGillMusicSaxSchool Size 4 is like my all around reed that I can use for most music we play in band/others I like and it is plays pretty good. I use the size 2 for specifically slow and lyrical pieces which does the job slightly better for me.
I too play Legere Signature, #3 on my tenor and 2.5 on Alto.
I changed to synthetic 5 years ago when starting on sax because I didn't know if
my sound problems were me or the reed, Legere is so consistant.
Hey Gordon, great to hear you are loving the Legere reeds too. I haven’t played a cane reed for ages.
Vandoren 2 1/2 on super tone 7 Ottolink