Andrew you are so good with not just your knowledge and opinions, but also your voice, diction and presentation, not to miss out your genuineness and honesty - it's a real pleasure tuning in to your channel, even when I am not researching anything in particular! Great effort 👍❤️
Andrew, I believe this is one of the wisest pieces of advice I've ever heard. And it is true not only for audio, but across all of life. I hope this video is still getting views.
Whether it be two years or twenty - this video will never grow old. I’m going to bookmark it and come back here every time some new audio component on the hype train calls to me. Bravo man!
Thank u man ! It's nice to ear someone say those things. In 3 months i've changed 3 times my speakers and amp. I was happy with my first system. Now i'm constantly critical. I'm tired. I'll be shifting back my focus on music and content like yours where things are being put in perspective. The positive point is that i stoped buying new. I buy and resell trying to not loose money. And the saddest thing is in the process i'm listening less music than before when i was using a simple system : headphone + dac + phone.
I love this guy. So humble. I came across his channel for a question I had and I have been watching so many videos simply because he's likable and helps educate.
Sorry, I have to humble brag but it’s relevant to my story. I will show my age but here goes: l have owned Dahlquist DQ10’s, Magnaplaners, Conrad Johnson’s, Audio Research, subscribed to The Absolute Sound....you get the point. All fine equipment but I was never satisfied. Finally I just got tired of the perfection pursuit and either sold it all or gave it away. Years later my wife bought an Amazon Alexa that sits on the kitchen counter and I’m happy to say that I really enjoy it. No worries about expensive wires, perfect bass or critical listening positions! Alexa sounds decent enough, and when a really good song comes on I get goose bumps! So the happy ending and lesson I learned was it’s all about the MUSIC! Enjoy it and let it touch your soul even on an old AM radio🙂. PS I’m really enjoying you and your channel, thank you.
I have spent about 5 years putting together a system from components purchased off ebay. And guess what? I LOVE it. £700 all in, not even the price of a pair of high end speakers and I have it all. And, yeah, I'm happy. And i'm glad that you're speaking sense. Your channel is so entertaining, but sorry, they wont be selling a damn thing that you're reviewing to me until something breaks.
most calming reassuring channel. makes me happy about my current setup even if it isn't where i eventually want to be. listening to the music is ultimately the most important thing.
Good video. You speak a lot more sense than most in the AV culture, it’s refreshing. I’ve had parts of my system for 20 years. I only replace gear when things break or I need a change of functionality. I love my set up.
Again, Andrew, you speak TRUTH! it takes time and a little common sense to built your sound system. My core component system was built in the 1970's, early 80's with new and thrift store found components. An "arrogant" neighbor had once laughed, "your system is so antiquated". He fancies himself a purveyor of fine audio. I turned it on......gave a demo at his request....jaw dropped so hard, the dishes rattled in kitchen cabinet. I thought about getting new, but, nah, I've so long enjoyed the noise, and memories with this "family" member. My cost then, less than $250. With the "modern" add ons (Cd/Dvd) still, less than $370. There's much positive to be said about "vintage" two chanel home theater! Ha!
Outstanding video. Quite frankly, these "takeaways" apply to any hobby or interest. Unfortunately for many, most people will have to find out for themselves. I know I did. I was fortunate not get caught up with debt, but I have more than once "chased" the perfect equipment only to find out there is no perfect equipment. My current systems are quite modest. Buy I enjoy them. I am at a point in my life where items get replaced when they need to be replaced, not because someone who never even heard my system told me I needed something "better". Thanks again and well said.
Andrew, happiness comes from within. You are correct about the way that you have changed the way you look at things. Music like art is in the ears of the beholder.
Absolutely needed to hear this! I'm in the middle of upgrading my system because the Paradigm speakers I bought 30 years ago with a Denon receiver both crapped out on me at the same time. I saved up and bought some Tannoy speakers. Now I am saving for a Rogue Pharoah integrated. I keep going back and forth and second guessing myself about what I want. This is just entertainment but it's also a passion of mine since I was around 5-6 years old. Great video! Believe more people need to hear this.
Hey Andrew !! I´m getting to like your videos more and more! I myself, had my first stereo at 17... And that was a pionner mini... It took me until i was 44 to buy my first system, witch i had to save for... (very entry level one...), and you know what? You´re 200% right... It´s the most amazing one i´ve ever listen to this day! Thank for sharing your experience with us!
These earlier videos of yours really are your most educational and most important 👍 More people should watch these. Perhaps you will revisit this style at some point.
I stumbled over this and was truly happy for your honesty, especially in nr1. Personal taste and to trust yourself is so important and often overlooked.
Excellent advice! I love flipping audio equipment. My wife and I agreed on an amount of money to start with and I have rolled it over several times. My current home theater receiver is a 2008 Onkyo that I got for $14 and it is very satisfying. My stereo system uses a Vincent SV-400 integrated amp that sounds awesome! I got it on Craigslist for $150. Right now I have a bunch of vintage stuff and my audio account has $17, so time to sell some stuff!
Andrew, I enjoy your reviews but I really love your when you do videos like this. This is where you really shine man. Keep on the good work. Thanks for openly sharing your thoughts and experience
Last year, after over a decade in pursuit of sonic perfections through separates, I bought my first A/V receiver. I got rid of 7 different source boxes and now live happily with an Xbox One X as my end all be all entertainment hub. Went from a closet full of black boxes to 2. And yes, I’m loving every minute I spend with it.
Maybe my favorite video of yours. Great advice across the board. I wish somebody had told me this when I was in my 20’s. Maybe they did. I always bought moderately priced equipment that pushed above it’s weight. There were a few missteps along the way though. My main system now is a pair of Klipsch The Fives with a Klipsch sub. Works great and is super simple. I can afford a lot more but I feel this setup fits my needs perfectly at the moment.
Big fan of your videos. Sharing honest advice can be rare in the audio hobby. The ignorance and ego behind peacocking ones value with their materialistic things is disgusting. Most of the time these things people are so proud of belong to the banks. Tribalism among formats, brands and so many other things doesn't help either especially for new comers to this hobby.
As always good solid advice. I've loved good sound since I was 17. I'm 61 now I've had lots of nice gear never went too crazy. My system for the last 16 years has been around Infinity Interlude speakers. Il50 towers Il25c center and Il10 bookshelf speakers. Carver av705x power amp and Marantz AV7005 preamp, that's been the only component I've upgraded. Last year replaced my Rotel RTC 965, and sold it for $75 after 15 years( it still works). As you just said I've trusted myself and have no desire to change anything else. Both music and HT are very pleasing. I enjoy your reviews and feel you present the items you review honestly.
Fantastic assessment. And this exactly something I found out to be true. I noticed that I way more happier tuning my existing system than actually scrap it out and build a new one - despite of the almost hard to resist thrill of the new thing. It happens to other aspects of our life... not just audio.
I like this thought bubble. I can imagine that frequent upgrades, without maximising all elements of my current setup (room treatment etc), would be less joyous as time goes on. Concentrate on getting the best from what you have before moving forward. Something for me to think about!
Andrew, I've done the same thing. Except for my house, I'm debt-free now! I have a modest audio system now, but it makes me happy. It's pleasing to my 66-year-old ears, and it's awfully good for the money that I spent for the gear. I didn't go for the lowest-priced items (some are truly awful), and I did a bit of research first, but your advice is well considered. I like this video. Keep it up.
There a continuum from people who just love music at one extreme to people who just love gear at the other. For those towards the music end, an iPhone and ear buds will suffice, for those somewhere in the middle, you advice applies, for those at the gear end, their satisfaction comes from the quest to have the perfect system so swapping gear is their hobby. I’m in the middle, gear is a way to enjoy my music so I don’t understand those with permanent upgraditis but neither do I have anything against them. We each need to spend our money on what we enjoy.
I picked up a 70s all-in Telefunken and got it repaired. It has low output power ratings but it has all the right controls and it is so complete. I can hook it up to most anything. I have a small room which is always a mess, some mid-range speakers and a huge pile of mid-range headphones. I will likely never buy another stereo. I still watch your channel because I love your presentation style. Your every video feels like you are putting up a special event. I enjoy that and your interaction w your girlfriend.
On point number 3, I think one thing people need to do is give things time. "Brain burn-in" is actually real (whereas electronic burn-in.... well, I won't go there). In audio, I'm only really an entry level audiophile, and headphones only. I recently purchased Sony MDR-Z7 headphones and a Sony NW-ZX300 DAP to feed them. It has taken a while for me to adjust to the sound signature, tune the EQ, and really "get there" with my favorite recordings. But now I'm "there," all my buyer's remorse is gone, and I feel like I'm enjoying the music more than I had been previously. But it took time, fiddling, and trusting myself.
Great video ! I really enjoy music , Hi-Fi audio and reviews videos like yours and others in RUclips, I learned and used reviewers tips and guides but at the end of the day I always do whatever works for me and my lifestyle!
Words of wisdom! I recently purchased a Samsung Q7DR from Costco and found out from a review online that it was not as good as the Q70R from Best Buy. I woke up in the middle of the night upset that i made a poor choice and had to see what it was selling for atBestBuy. It was the same price as Costco but felt that i was missing out on something. After considering returning the tv to Costco and thought of all the hassle to remove a 75" tv, I decided to keep it. I was happy with my purchase before i read the review and enjoyed your comments on being happy with what you have. Thank you for sharing you experience with us. Still learning at 73.
Often times when it comes to one retailer model over another, they are actually the same TV, but the manufacturer simply issues a custom or unique SKU to each retailer so they "appear" different. This keeps retailers from having to price match their competitors because they (the retailer) can claim the products aren't the same. Also, some retailers need to appear to have exclusivity, this is one of the work arounds. I doubt the two displays you referenced are actually different. Just enjoy the show.
This is the second video I've seen where you expand on this topic, and I sincerely have to thank you. Before I saw the first one I was pretty much obsessed with making budgets on hifi systems. Man that's a never ending rabbit hole! Right now I have a pair of wharfdale floorstanders with a blown tweeter, and instead of going on the Hunt (yes, with capital H) for The Next Big Thing, I'm actually considering making myself a pair of dml speakers and eventually a sub. So thank you for that. P.S.: btw, have you ever heard a dml speaker? There are precious few videos of these on RUclips. Anybody can chime in
I picked up a Hitachi sr 603 for $100 and a pair of BIC venturi dv62 speakers for$125 and a $20 bluetooth adapter and it all sounds great! No need to spend lots of cash.
I it is so tempiting to keep up with the Jones.I think there is a value in enjoying what you have because everything changes so quickly. Audio is really good today. The sound you can get out of cheap systems today is amazing. All I know for sure is I don't want to go back to my ge Recod player from the 1970's
Totally agree! “Look, ease, price” are super important considerations. I had a second system dialed in to work well with Spotify connect from my iPhone but got the Roon bug and went about replacing components to chase better sound. In the end, I got better sound but slightly less convenience and find myself not listening to that system as much anymore because of it☹️
I have 2 separate systems. One is just plain stereo. I consist of a vintage Marantz 3250B pre-amp that I bought new and have had it maintained. It runs into a Carver M-500T amplifer, which I also bought and have had maintained. The second system in my home theatre system which is 7.1. It consists of a Marantz SR6003 avr, Polk CS20, 2 TSi 300s, 4 TSi100s and a PSW10. I am saving up to replace the SR6003 with a SR6013 to be able to add Dolby Atmos.
This all holds true with many other "gear lust" categories - cameras and computer gaming to name a couple. It's nothing new, and we all experience it to some degree at some time. I think it takes a few rounds of upgrading to come to the full realization on your own. Lots of stuff out there that I would LOVE to have (La Scalas...) but their either out of my budget or I just realize that it's overkill for want I want and need right now.
In any hobby you will always have a percentage of the participants whose real passion is collecting and testing the gear associated with the hobby. These people often rationalize their purchases or pretend that other people are simply not dedicated enough to understand what there is to be gained in playing the game as they desire to play it. But deep down they're real passion is what's next. They already know that the vast majority of items they amass will not be any better than the ones which came before but their joy is found in the collection and assessment. This is simply who they are. It's their personality. If this isn't your personality then be wary because these people will drag you down their rabbit hole of discontent. If you aren't the gear collector type then just know that yes, there's always something different out there. Better? Now that's another thing. As Andrew pointed out or has pointed out in other videos, it helps greatly to know who are you really are as a music lover. Also, how will you really use your system and what can you actually take advantage of in the space you have to work with? If you have a small space you can still use tower speakers but if you get something so big that it's actually in the way of your everyday life then you'll hate it even if the sound is amazing. If you have a massive space and buy bookshelf speakers with four inch drivers you can't then complain that they don't have the impact you were looking for. For many people a quality soundbar and sub really is the best solution for them when you combine the ease of use and integration into the space. If you're sort of an all genre music lover then get yourself some speakers with a larger bass driver and add a sub. Because a large knife can do the job of a small knife but the opposite is not true. If you don't need that bottom octave or you really primarily listen to music at your desk over your computer then get yourself some nice powered monitors and don't worry about the ten thousand dollar monsters Fauntleroy Vandergrander from, AudioSnob, says every "real" audiophile must have. Honestly, with all the information available today, if you know the slightest bit about yourself, it doesn't take long to figure out where you need to start looking. And it's still free to look. Well, almost free. Take that day trip to a larger city and listen to some of the gear you've heard about in the magazines or online. It may take you all of ten minutes to realize, yep, that's the one for me or it may take you the same amount of time to know that's not your brand of sweet tea. Thirty bucks in gas can save you a two thousand dollar mistake. Also, there are many great online dealers who offer thirty to sixty day refunds. Refunds, not store credits. Yes, you can absolutely figure out if a piece of gear or speakers are right for you in enough time to return them for the refund in less than thirty days. Okay, maybe you lose out on a hundred dollars in shipping if it's a large item but hey, a hundred dollars in shipping or five thousand dollars in disappointment all because you didn't want to lose a hundred? If you're willing to make that trade the I've got some Benjamin's I can send your way! Lastly, as Andrew pointed out, trust yourself. Sure, explore, search, read and inform yourself but in the end it's about what sounds good to you that you will both use and can afford. And no one else can tell you what that will be. Don't be afraid to ask for advice but don't be afraid go against it either.
I have just replaced my old cd player (not repairable) with a cd ripper /Streamer rest of my gear is 25yr old plus I'm happy again always hated handling cds anyway, great advice as always refreshing as always.
I was raised around high end systems since my dad sold them. A couple of things always stand out to me. 1) At some point, the more you spend only equals modest, or minimal, increase in performance. It's like having a Ferrari or Lambo with 700 HP and never use it other than driving around town. That performance numbers are only bragging rights and nothing more. 2) Technology filters down to lower cost levels in a year or 2, so there's no point in spending stupid money for something I can get for less in a few years. 3) Most important for me....the better the system is, the more flaws are revealed in the music mastering. A highly resolving system makes music less enjoyable for me because it magnifies the flaws. So I buy hi-fi equipment based on what sounds right to me...
A few things I have learned I’ve learned over the years (sometimes the hard way) is that when in doubt don’t change anything, don’t buy consumer goods with credit, and every year you own a piece of gear lowers its cost of ownership. I still use speakers I bought 20 years ago and the ownership cost is down to $30 per year.
And the room has more impact on the sound than the gear. I see audiophiles' photos of giant speakers in tiny rooms with no bass traps or room padding and I roll my eyes. The sound must be terrible, or at least not true to the recording.
It's great to have a shiny new thing but when it boils down, it's all about the music! Really enjoyed this vid. I've got a small budget so I'd rather buy more records.
I really appreciate the candor with these type of videos. I also agree with the addiction or filling a void nature of upgradeitis. I have been guilty in the past and it is sometimes challenging to discern the reason for the upgrade want. Are you still in the learning phase for your preferred sound? Do you just want to try something new? Consuming for consumption's sake? Unique to the individual I am sure but I do know that if I can stave off the next best thing beast long enough to get to know my current gear, I can appreciate it more. Like getting to know a new friend. It takes time which is hard to do if we forget to listen (see what I did there? Friggen nailed it : ).
Still have a Sony A/V receiver (1995) that runs my bedroom setup. Use a JVC KD (1985) series cassette deck in my home office. Technics SL series turntable as well. Regret selling my TEAC reel to reel :-( And as a audiophile friend said years ago "that is just lo-fi and barely mid-fi gear'. But man at gatherings in my home the sounds were warm and now I have such great memories to sync with the tracks years later.
I have chased the home theater demon and it caused more dissatisfaction than enjoyment. So now I just stay with two channel. Connect you TV to a good two channel system it sounds great it's all you need. On the computer I run USB to a Shiit WYRD to a Shiit MODI 2 and connect that to a Bose Soundock 10. I know a lot of people don't like Bose but the Soundock 10 is just fine for computer audio and it's higher quality than most audio people have running out of their computers.
Though I have been a HiFi fan since my early teens, I have just started to take this audiophile journey, and so far I started with the basics, a half decent pair of headphones and portable DAC and headphone amplifier, the Audioquest DragonFly Black. At the moment I am saving up for a decent pair of bookshelf speakers, then a new amplifier will be next on my list. I am a bit baffled about which speakers to go with and how much I want to spend. I’m not one of those people who would constantly swap out gear, because I simply cannot afford it, but I want to be happy with what I buy for a long time and happy with how they sound. I have so many speakers on my list that range from $700.00AU all the way up to $1600.00AU and I still need to audition all of them. At least with HiFi you can build your system from the ground up and buy one component at a time.
Your anti-elitist attitude when it comes to stereo / vinyl equipment was what originally inspired me to get into the hobby. My turntable might not be $2,000, and my speakers may not be capable of reproducing frequencies that only a specialized microphone can pick up, but it's MINE and I love turning it on, sitting down, and having a listen. The happiness that it brings, as you said, is very real. Thank you for helping me feel safe to dip my toes into an otherwise intimidating hobby, I'm having a blast now that I'm here.
Thank you, Andrew, for this video!! Brilliant advice... Hope lots and lots of folks hear it... Thank you for calling it out and the three lessons are spot on. The "Noise" is a pandemic. The truth is - happiness is contained in the things we are born with, not something we can buy. That happiness is real!! As a budget audiophile, thank you for reminding me of audio/video, entertainment contentment. Due to my restrictions both financially and geographically over my twenties and thirties, I followed all three points in your video :)... Now though, both I and my country are fully plugged into all that "noise" and boy it's loud! I am going to watch this video every once in a while... Thank you again.
Timeless video for all of us...been there...at some point in my life I was changing amps more frequently than going to the supermarket...it was a total madness that literally put me into a huge debt and anxiety, not only due to the financial burden and the losses of course that came along, but because I couldn't find what I thought I was searching for. The one and only thing that all of us audiophiles have to understand is that every system and every single component nowadays are of really good quality even the "cheap stuff" and whatever you do, in terms of room treatment, acoustics, cables, power conditioners they have their own distinctive sonic signature and none of them can reach 99% of the live performance of instruments, singers on a studio or in front of a live audience..that is a fact and I know that as I have been playing a musical instrument as well and know many sound engineers, record producers,etc.
Currently working on completing my home theatre and can totally agree with you at the same time. I'd Love to have it done by the end of the week, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go into debt to do so..kinda kills the whole 'relax & enjoy' vibe eh?! Ya. I'll work on a nicer 2 channel setup after..and in my own time. My current setup is great and will only be improved upon ...over time. Thanks for the work you put into these videos and reviews, much appreciated!
Hey Andrew, big fan here, i actually saw someone comment the other day about centering the sound of your videos, i think he's somewhat right, this particular video sounds a bit to the right side. Thx for your content !
I had to step away from the online headphones community as it fed a strong sense of discontentment in my equipment. I had spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on different headphones trying to find the absolute best. I had become completely discontented with every set of headphones that I got even though they all were excellent headphones. I finally realized one of the headphones that I had bought and returned were excellent headphones for my needs (gaming and general computer use) those were the much Maligned Sennheiser HD 700’s. What brought this realization to life was visiting a store and demoing the HD 800’s, many people said they were much better headphones than the HD700’s. Well, I would say they were good, but they weren’t $1000 better. I realized this quest for perfection was pointless and re-bought the headphones that made me happy in the first place. Having stopped visiting headphone forums and watching videos made me feel much happier. It’s been a good two years. 😀
I spent a while following the vintage orthodynamic/planar-magnetic headphone forum. While it was useful for listing various types, the views about sound quality were extremely subjective yet taken as gospel. "The Bang & Olufsen U70s are awful", "Audio Technica's ATH-2 was hobbled to make their more expensive dynamic headphones sound better", etc. I took it all with a pinch of salt and found that, for example, the U70s are fantastic (to my ears) *if* you take the trouble to replace the worn earpads. Moral - no opinion is as good as your ears...!
@@thisisnev That's so true. People forget we all have our own tastes and unique hearing. What's terrible to one person may be glorious to another. A little humility would go a long way for many of the people who are so into audiophile grade products.
Second guessing our own likes and sensibilities seems to be human nature. I like craft beer. I used to try a new beer and then look up the reviews on sites like Beeradvocate to see what the “experts” were saying about it to validate my opinion. I’ve since learned, after years of trying to like IPA’s, that I didn’t need my opinion validated. Now I read reviews to try to decide if the taste signature of a beer might be something I’m interested in. Same reason I watch reviews like yours and a few others. When you describe the sonic signature of a speaker or a piece of equipment, I can decide if it something I might be interested in.
I currently have a pair of Q Acoustic 3020s (which seem fine) but I really want a pair of Klipsch Heresys. I was going to buy them on credit (the 0% credit card is literally in the post). I realise it's not your debt of 50K but you may have talked me out of it. Strange because your video about them was the one that talked me into it in the first place :D
On your last point... I bought some JBL A190s on sale for like $340 a pair, and a new yamaha AVR for $250. Got them, love them. But, I watched reviews and all while I was waiting for them to be delivered. Now the algorithms got me loaded up with speaker, receiver and amp reviews. Knew going into it the yamaha rx-v385 was a hold over for a few years as I built up my surround system, but now I am seeing lots of other speakers that could be better, may like the looks a little more, specs a little better... But at the end of the day, could I do better than a pair of a190s for $340? Probably not new... But now I have a wish list of speakers for down the road. Point is, this age of information and algorithms seem to keep you focused on the next best thing you could have got. I will eventually need a good 2.0/2.1 setup for music, finish the surround in the living room, and a good garage system, so more speakers will be had down the road... so theres that to look forward to lol
Seconded on don't go into debt for gear. I wound up upside down in some gear years ago, never again. And I will say, so far, the living room home cinema (assembled largely of components I already had, and for which I refused even to buy new speaker wire until I had made my second month's rent payment) has not been the lady-magnet I had hoped it would be. So, if that sort of thing is your primary reason for installing something like that (it wasn't in my case, but it was still A reason), maybe rethink a bit.
The more I watch this guy, the more I love him.
Thanks.
Yes- why aren’t there more people saying this Andrew?
Andrew you are so good with not just your knowledge and opinions, but also your voice, diction and presentation, not to miss out your genuineness and honesty - it's a real pleasure tuning in to your channel, even when I am not researching anything in particular! Great effort 👍❤️
Wow, thank you!
Andrew, I believe this is one of the wisest pieces of advice I've ever heard. And it is true not only for audio, but across all of life. I hope this video is still getting views.
Whether it be two years or twenty - this video will never grow old. I’m going to bookmark it and come back here every time some new audio component on the hype train calls to me. Bravo man!
Thank u man ! It's nice to ear someone say those things.
In 3 months i've changed 3 times my speakers and amp. I was happy with my first system. Now i'm constantly critical. I'm tired.
I'll be shifting back my focus on music and content like yours where things are being put in perspective.
The positive point is that i stoped buying new. I buy and resell trying to not loose money.
And the saddest thing is in the process i'm listening less music than before when i was using a simple system : headphone + dac + phone.
There's an adage. Some people use speakers to hear the music, some people use music to hear the speakers.
I love this guy. So humble. I came across his channel for a question I had and I have been watching so many videos simply because he's likable and helps educate.
Sorry, I have to humble brag but it’s relevant to my story. I will show my age but here goes: l have owned Dahlquist DQ10’s, Magnaplaners, Conrad Johnson’s, Audio Research, subscribed to The Absolute Sound....you get the point. All fine equipment but I was never satisfied. Finally I just got tired of the perfection pursuit and either sold it all or gave it away. Years later my wife bought an Amazon Alexa that sits on the kitchen counter and I’m happy to say that I really enjoy it. No worries about expensive wires, perfect bass or critical listening positions! Alexa sounds decent enough, and when a really good song comes on I get goose bumps! So the happy ending and lesson I learned was it’s all about the MUSIC! Enjoy it and let it touch your soul even on an old AM radio🙂. PS I’m really enjoying you and your channel, thank you.
Appreciate you sharing, and it wasn't a humble brag, but needed context. Have a great day!
I have spent about 5 years putting together a system from components purchased off ebay. And guess what? I LOVE it. £700 all in, not even the price of a pair of high end speakers and I have it all. And, yeah, I'm happy. And i'm glad that you're speaking sense. Your channel is so entertaining, but sorry, they wont be selling a damn thing that you're reviewing to me until something breaks.
most calming reassuring channel. makes me happy about my current setup even if it isn't where i eventually want to be. listening to the music is ultimately the most important thing.
Good video. You speak a lot more sense than most in the AV culture, it’s refreshing.
I’ve had parts of my system for 20 years. I only replace gear when things break or I need a change of functionality. I love my set up.
Hey Andrew, you definitely have the best channel for audio enthusiasts... you're one of the few who give a truthful explanation about the hobby
Again, Andrew, you speak TRUTH! it takes time and a little common sense to built your sound system. My core component system was built in the 1970's, early 80's with new and thrift store found components. An "arrogant" neighbor had once laughed, "your system is so antiquated". He fancies himself a purveyor of fine audio. I turned it on......gave a demo at his request....jaw dropped so hard, the dishes rattled in kitchen cabinet. I thought about getting new, but, nah, I've so long enjoyed the noise, and memories with this "family" member. My cost then, less than $250. With the "modern" add ons (Cd/Dvd) still, less than $370. There's much positive to be said about "vintage" two chanel home theater! Ha!
Yes! There are plenty of glorious vintage bargains to be had.
Outstanding video. Quite frankly, these "takeaways" apply to any hobby or interest. Unfortunately for many, most people will have to find out for themselves. I know I did. I was fortunate not get caught up with debt, but I have more than once "chased" the perfect equipment only to find out there is no perfect equipment. My current systems are quite modest. Buy I enjoy them. I am at a point in my life where items get replaced when they need to be replaced, not because someone who never even heard my system told me I needed something "better". Thanks again and well said.
Andrew, happiness comes from within. You are correct about the way that you have changed the way you look at things. Music like art is in the ears of the beholder.
True. Thank you for watching.
Absolutely needed to hear this! I'm in the middle of upgrading my system because the Paradigm speakers I bought 30 years ago with a Denon receiver both crapped out on me at the same time. I saved up and bought some Tannoy speakers. Now I am saving for a Rogue Pharoah integrated. I keep going back and forth and second guessing myself about what I want. This is just entertainment but it's also a passion of mine since I was around 5-6 years old. Great video! Believe more people need to hear this.
Hey Andrew !! I´m getting to like your videos more and more! I myself, had my first stereo at 17... And that was a pionner mini... It took me until i was 44 to buy my first system, witch i had to save for... (very entry level one...), and you know what? You´re 200% right... It´s the most amazing one i´ve ever listen to this day! Thank for sharing your experience with us!
These earlier videos of yours really are your most educational and most important 👍 More people should watch these. Perhaps you will revisit this style at some point.
+1 :)
I stumbled over this and was truly happy for your honesty, especially in nr1. Personal taste and to trust yourself is so important and often overlooked.
Man this is not just great hi-if advice, this is great life advice! Much appreciated and keep up the great work!
Excellent advice! I love flipping audio equipment. My wife and I agreed on an amount of money to start with and I have rolled it over several times.
My current home theater receiver is a 2008 Onkyo that I got for $14 and it is very satisfying. My stereo system uses a Vincent SV-400 integrated amp that sounds awesome! I got it on Craigslist for $150. Right now I have a bunch of vintage stuff and my audio account has $17, so time to sell some stuff!
I like Andrew's presentations because he is unique and he offers his own opinions and shares his own experiences.
Great talk Andrew. And very nice of you to take to respond to many of the comments. I am sure it is appreciated.
I try to respond to everyone, but when a video gets popular it isn't always possible to reply to everyone and I'm sorry when I can't.
"champagne dreams on a beer budget"...well said
Andrew, I enjoy your reviews but I really love your when you do videos like this. This is where you really shine man.
Keep on the good work.
Thanks for openly sharing your thoughts and experience
Thank you, and thank you for watching!!!
.Experience has taught you well. Thank you for sharing the benefit of that experience. You've got a good head on your shoulders.
Last year, after over a decade in pursuit of sonic perfections through separates, I bought my first A/V receiver. I got rid of 7 different source boxes and now live happily with an Xbox One X as my end all be all entertainment hub. Went from a closet full of black boxes to 2. And yes, I’m loving every minute I spend with it.
👍 thank you for sharing !
Maybe my favorite video of yours. Great advice across the board. I wish somebody had told me this when I was in my 20’s. Maybe they did. I always bought moderately priced equipment that pushed above it’s weight. There were a few missteps along the way though. My main system now is a pair of Klipsch The Fives with a Klipsch sub. Works great and is super simple. I can afford a lot more but I feel this setup fits my needs perfectly at the moment.
Well said . My takeaway . “Everything around you , make it seem like what you need more than what you need is different ”
I have not heard RUclips reviewers talk about this topic. Bravo!
Big fan of your videos. Sharing honest advice can be rare in the audio hobby. The ignorance and ego behind peacocking ones value with their materialistic things is disgusting. Most of the time these things people are so proud of belong to the banks. Tribalism among formats, brands and so many other things doesn't help either especially for new comers to this hobby.
As always good solid advice. I've loved good sound since I was 17. I'm 61 now I've had lots of nice gear never went too crazy. My system for the last 16 years has been around Infinity Interlude speakers. Il50 towers Il25c center and Il10 bookshelf speakers. Carver av705x power amp and Marantz AV7005 preamp, that's been the only component I've upgraded. Last year replaced my Rotel RTC 965, and sold it for $75 after 15 years( it still works). As you just said I've trusted myself and have no desire to change anything else. Both music and HT are very pleasing. I enjoy your reviews and feel you present the items you review honestly.
Great advice! Thank you very much. Your channel is awesome.
Fantastic assessment. And this exactly something I found out to be true. I noticed that I way more happier tuning my existing system than actually scrap it out and build a new one - despite of the almost hard to resist thrill of the new thing. It happens to other aspects of our life... not just audio.
I like this thought bubble. I can imagine that frequent upgrades, without maximising all elements of my current setup (room treatment etc), would be less joyous as time goes on. Concentrate on getting the best from what you have before moving forward. Something for me to think about!
Andrew, I've done the same thing. Except for my house, I'm debt-free now!
I have a modest audio system now, but it makes me happy. It's pleasing to my 66-year-old ears, and it's awfully good for the money that I spent for the gear. I didn't go for the lowest-priced items (some are truly awful), and I did a bit of research first, but your advice is well considered.
I like this video. Keep it up.
There a continuum from people who just love music at one extreme to people who just love gear at the other. For those towards the music end, an iPhone and ear buds will suffice, for those somewhere in the middle, you advice applies, for those at the gear end, their satisfaction comes from the quest to have the perfect system so swapping gear is their hobby. I’m in the middle, gear is a way to enjoy my music so I don’t understand those with permanent upgraditis but neither do I have anything against them. We each need to spend our money on what we enjoy.
I picked up a 70s all-in Telefunken and got it repaired. It has low output power ratings but it has all the right controls and it is so complete. I can hook it up to most anything. I have a small room which is always a mess, some mid-range speakers and a huge pile of mid-range headphones. I will likely never buy another stereo. I still watch your channel because I love your presentation style. Your every video feels like you are putting up a special event. I enjoy that and your interaction w your girlfriend.
Incredibly well said and spot on! Thank you!
On point number 3, I think one thing people need to do is give things time. "Brain burn-in" is actually real (whereas electronic burn-in.... well, I won't go there). In audio, I'm only really an entry level audiophile, and headphones only. I recently purchased Sony MDR-Z7 headphones and a Sony NW-ZX300 DAP to feed them. It has taken a while for me to adjust to the sound signature, tune the EQ, and really "get there" with my favorite recordings. But now I'm "there," all my buyer's remorse is gone, and I feel like I'm enjoying the music more than I had been previously. But it took time, fiddling, and trusting myself.
That was a great honest video you just showed. We appreiate your years of insight & chasing the audio dragon.
Which seems you never catch.
Thanks for the reminder, Andrew! Trusting yourself, your budget and your ears. Wisdom from the mountaintop 😀
Thanks for this sensible & sane approach to the Audio Video experience
Great video ! I really enjoy music , Hi-Fi audio and reviews videos like yours and others in RUclips, I learned and used reviewers tips and guides but at the end of the day I always do whatever works for me and my lifestyle!
You should ALWAYS buy or make hi-fi/home theater decisions based on what you want/need/enjoy.
Thanks for this video. I needed to hear that list tip today!!
Glad I could help. Have a great day.
8:20 "time naturally presents itself..."
That's the optimal situation, since then you're in the best mood to listen.
Words of wisdom! I recently purchased a Samsung Q7DR from Costco and found out from a review online that it was not as good as the Q70R from Best Buy. I woke up in the middle of the night upset that i made a poor choice and had to see what it was selling for atBestBuy. It was the same price as Costco but felt that i was missing out on something. After considering returning the tv to Costco and thought of all the hassle to remove a 75" tv, I decided to keep it. I was happy with my purchase before i read the review and enjoyed your comments on being happy with what you have. Thank you for sharing you experience with us. Still learning at 73.
Often times when it comes to one retailer model over another, they are actually the same TV, but the manufacturer simply issues a custom or unique SKU to each retailer so they "appear" different. This keeps retailers from having to price match their competitors because they (the retailer) can claim the products aren't the same. Also, some retailers need to appear to have exclusivity, this is one of the work arounds. I doubt the two displays you referenced are actually different. Just enjoy the show.
This is the second video I've seen where you expand on this topic, and I sincerely have to thank you. Before I saw the first one I was pretty much obsessed with making budgets on hifi systems. Man that's a never ending rabbit hole!
Right now I have a pair of wharfdale floorstanders with a blown tweeter, and instead of going on the Hunt (yes, with capital H) for The Next Big Thing, I'm actually considering making myself a pair of dml speakers and eventually a sub. So thank you for that.
P.S.: btw, have you ever heard a dml speaker? There are precious few videos of these on RUclips. Anybody can chime in
I picked up a Hitachi sr 603 for $100 and a pair of BIC venturi dv62 speakers for$125 and a $20 bluetooth adapter and it all sounds great! No need to spend lots of cash.
Some excellent advice. This wisdom applies to many areas of life.
Another stellar video my man
Appreciate it!
I'm so thankful to have stumbled across your channel recently.
Glad to have you as a viewer.
I it is so tempiting to keep up with the Jones.I think there is a value in enjoying what you have because everything changes so quickly. Audio is really good today. The sound you can get out of cheap systems today is amazing. All I know for sure is I don't want to go back to my ge Recod player from the 1970's
Totally agree! “Look, ease, price” are super important considerations. I had a second system dialed in to work well with Spotify connect from my iPhone but got the Roon bug and went about replacing components to chase better sound. In the end, I got better sound but slightly less convenience and find myself not listening to that system as much anymore because of it☹️
I went to JRiver a while back and the same thing happened to me. Don't use JRiver anymore, back on streaming services. Thanks for weighing in!
I have 2 separate systems. One is just plain stereo. I consist of a vintage Marantz 3250B pre-amp that I bought new and have had it maintained. It runs into a Carver M-500T amplifer, which I also bought and have had maintained.
The second system in my home theatre system which is 7.1. It consists of a Marantz SR6003 avr, Polk CS20, 2 TSi 300s, 4 TSi100s and a PSW10.
I am saving up to replace the SR6003 with a SR6013 to be able to add Dolby Atmos.
This all holds true with many other "gear lust" categories - cameras and computer gaming to name a couple. It's nothing new, and we all experience it to some degree at some time. I think it takes a few rounds of upgrading to come to the full realization on your own. Lots of stuff out there that I would LOVE to have (La Scalas...) but their either out of my budget or I just realize that it's overkill for want I want and need right now.
Agree with all. Put the music first. Recognize the anhedonic principle. Avoid debt for consumer goods.
In any hobby you will always have a percentage of the participants whose real passion is collecting and testing the gear associated with the hobby. These people often rationalize their purchases or pretend that other people are simply not dedicated enough to understand what there is to be gained in playing the game as they desire to play it. But deep down they're real passion is what's next. They already know that the vast majority of items they amass will not be any better than the ones which came before but their joy is found in the collection and assessment. This is simply who they are. It's their personality. If this isn't your personality then be wary because these people will drag you down their rabbit hole of discontent.
If you aren't the gear collector type then just know that yes, there's always something different out there. Better? Now that's another thing. As Andrew pointed out or has pointed out in other videos, it helps greatly to know who are you really are as a music lover. Also, how will you really use your system and what can you actually take advantage of in the space you have to work with? If you have a small space you can still use tower speakers but if you get something so big that it's actually in the way of your everyday life then you'll hate it even if the sound is amazing. If you have a massive space and buy bookshelf speakers with four inch drivers you can't then complain that they don't have the impact you were looking for. For many people a quality soundbar and sub really is the best solution for them when you combine the ease of use and integration into the space. If you're sort of an all genre music lover then get yourself some speakers with a larger bass driver and add a sub. Because a large knife can do the job of a small knife but the opposite is not true. If you don't need that bottom octave or you really primarily listen to music at your desk over your computer then get yourself some nice powered monitors and don't worry about the ten thousand dollar monsters Fauntleroy Vandergrander from, AudioSnob, says every "real" audiophile must have.
Honestly, with all the information available today, if you know the slightest bit about yourself, it doesn't take long to figure out where you need to start looking. And it's still free to look. Well, almost free. Take that day trip to a larger city and listen to some of the gear you've heard about in the magazines or online. It may take you all of ten minutes to realize, yep, that's the one for me or it may take you the same amount of time to know that's not your brand of sweet tea. Thirty bucks in gas can save you a two thousand dollar mistake. Also, there are many great online dealers who offer thirty to sixty day refunds. Refunds, not store credits. Yes, you can absolutely figure out if a piece of gear or speakers are right for you in enough time to return them for the refund in less than thirty days. Okay, maybe you lose out on a hundred dollars in shipping if it's a large item but hey, a hundred dollars in shipping or five thousand dollars in disappointment all because you didn't want to lose a hundred? If you're willing to make that trade the I've got some Benjamin's I can send your way! Lastly, as Andrew pointed out, trust yourself. Sure, explore, search, read and inform yourself but in the end it's about what sounds good to you that you will both use and can afford. And no one else can tell you what that will be. Don't be afraid to ask for advice but don't be afraid go against it either.
I have just replaced my old cd player (not repairable) with a cd ripper /Streamer rest of my gear is 25yr old plus I'm happy again always hated handling cds anyway, great advice as always refreshing as always.
Hey Andrew thank you for another great video. I love your#1, great advice.
Thank you.
I was raised around high end systems since my dad sold them. A couple of things always stand out to me. 1) At some point, the more you spend only equals modest, or minimal, increase in performance. It's like having a Ferrari or Lambo with 700 HP and never use it other than driving around town. That performance numbers are only bragging rights and nothing more. 2) Technology filters down to lower cost levels in a year or 2, so there's no point in spending stupid money for something I can get for less in a few years. 3) Most important for me....the better the system is, the more flaws are revealed in the music mastering. A highly resolving system makes music less enjoyable for me because it magnifies the flaws. So I buy hi-fi equipment based on what sounds right to me...
You earned a sub! Great video.
Thank you!
He earned 2
A few things I have learned I’ve learned over the years (sometimes the hard way) is that when in doubt don’t change anything, don’t buy consumer goods with credit, and every year you own a piece of gear lowers its cost of ownership. I still use speakers I bought 20 years ago and the ownership cost is down to $30 per year.
And the room has more impact on the sound than the gear. I see audiophiles' photos of giant speakers in tiny rooms with no bass traps or room padding and I roll my eyes. The sound must be terrible, or at least not true to the recording.
It's great to have a shiny new thing but when it boils down, it's all about the music! Really enjoyed
this vid. I've got a small budget so I'd rather buy more records.
O man this is a great decent video. thanks for letting me feel less stressed about not putting everything on the table.
Glad it helped!
I really appreciate the candor with these type of videos. I also agree with the addiction or filling a void nature of upgradeitis. I have been guilty in the past and it is sometimes challenging to discern the reason for the upgrade want. Are you still in the learning phase for your preferred sound? Do you just want to try something new? Consuming for consumption's sake? Unique to the individual I am sure but I do know that if I can stave off the next best thing beast long enough to get to know my current gear, I can appreciate it more.
Like getting to know a new friend. It takes time which is hard to do if we forget to listen (see what I did there? Friggen nailed it : ).
Nice words, really. Thanks.
Still have a Sony A/V receiver (1995) that runs my bedroom setup. Use a JVC KD (1985) series cassette deck in my home office. Technics SL series turntable as well. Regret selling my TEAC reel to reel :-( And as a audiophile friend said years ago "that is just lo-fi and barely mid-fi gear'. But man at gatherings in my home the sounds were warm and now I have such great memories to sync with the tracks years later.
I have chased the home theater demon and it caused more dissatisfaction than enjoyment. So now I just stay with two channel. Connect you TV to a good two channel system it sounds great it's all you need. On the computer I run USB to a Shiit WYRD to a Shiit MODI 2 and connect that to a Bose Soundock 10. I know a lot of people don't like Bose but the Soundock 10 is just fine for computer audio and it's higher quality than most audio people have running out of their computers.
Though I have been a HiFi fan since my early teens, I have just started to take this audiophile journey, and so far I started with the basics, a half decent pair of headphones and portable DAC and headphone amplifier, the Audioquest DragonFly Black. At the moment I am saving up for a decent pair of bookshelf speakers, then a new amplifier will be next on my list. I am a bit baffled about which speakers to go with and how much I want to spend. I’m not one of those people who would constantly swap out gear, because I simply cannot afford it, but I want to be happy with what I buy for a long time and happy with how they sound. I have so many speakers on my list that range from $700.00AU all the way up to $1600.00AU and I still need to audition all of them. At least with HiFi you can build your system from the ground up and buy one component at a time.
Your anti-elitist attitude when it comes to stereo / vinyl equipment was what originally inspired me to get into the hobby. My turntable might not be $2,000, and my speakers may not be capable of reproducing frequencies that only a specialized microphone can pick up, but it's MINE and I love turning it on, sitting down, and having a listen. The happiness that it brings, as you said, is very real. Thank you for helping me feel safe to dip my toes into an otherwise intimidating hobby, I'm having a blast now that I'm here.
Good for you!!! Thank you for sharing and for watching!
Great msg brother !!! U r enlightening !!!
Thank you, Andrew, for this video!! Brilliant advice... Hope lots and lots of folks hear it... Thank you for calling it out and the three lessons are spot on. The "Noise" is a pandemic.
The truth is - happiness is contained in the things we are born with, not something we can buy. That happiness is real!!
As a budget audiophile, thank you for reminding me of audio/video, entertainment contentment. Due to my restrictions both financially and geographically over my twenties and thirties, I followed all three points in your video :)... Now though, both I and my country are fully plugged into all that "noise" and boy it's loud! I am going to watch this video every once in a while... Thank you again.
I'm a budget audiophile too, you don't have to spend crazy amounts of money to get really good sound these days.
@@agentm83 True.. just staying there is the trick.. :) P.S - I just got one those systems you are talking about..
@@parraangel Yeah, I might not be budget forever, lol.
@@agentm83 Cheers to that! Lol!
You’re a good man.
Timeless video for all of us...been there...at some point in my life I was changing amps more frequently than going to the supermarket...it was a total madness that literally put me into a huge debt and anxiety, not only due to the financial burden and the losses of course that came along, but because I couldn't find what I thought I was searching for. The one and only thing that all of us audiophiles have to understand is that every system and every single component nowadays are of really good quality even the "cheap stuff" and whatever you do, in terms of room treatment, acoustics, cables, power conditioners they have their own distinctive sonic signature and none of them can reach 99% of the live performance of instruments, singers on a studio or in front of a live audience..that is a fact and I know that as I have been playing a musical instrument as well and know many sound engineers, record producers,etc.
Thank you for sharing. This is a good time for me to remember lesson no1
Dear andrew,
I have an old onkyo TX-DS797 that supports 192k 24-bit
I wonder how to get eg tidal masters to this device without buying new gear?
Thx
You are so right, many thanks
Currently working on completing my home theatre and can totally agree with you at the same time. I'd Love to have it done by the end of the week, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go into debt to do so..kinda kills the whole 'relax & enjoy' vibe eh?! Ya. I'll work on a nicer 2 channel setup after..and in my own time. My current setup is great and will only be improved upon ...over time.
Thanks for the work you put into these videos and reviews, much appreciated!
Thank you for continuing to tune in!
Great video, great commentary.
This video helps a lot. Thanks Andrew
Thank you
Thanks for this, Andrew...wise words...
Hey Andrew, big fan here, i actually saw someone comment the other day about centering the sound of your videos, i think he's somewhat right, this particular video sounds a bit to the right side.
Thx for your content !
The best advice given I valued it
I had to step away from the online headphones community as it fed a strong sense of discontentment in my equipment. I had spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars on different headphones trying to find the absolute best. I had become completely discontented with every set of headphones that I got even though they all were excellent headphones. I finally realized one of the headphones that I had bought and returned were excellent headphones for my needs (gaming and general computer use) those were the much Maligned Sennheiser HD 700’s. What brought this realization to life was visiting a store and demoing the HD 800’s, many people said they were much better headphones than the HD700’s. Well, I would say they were good, but they weren’t $1000 better. I realized this quest for perfection was pointless and re-bought the headphones that made me happy in the first place. Having stopped visiting headphone forums and watching videos made me feel much happier. It’s been a good two years. 😀
I’m glad to hear it! Enjoy the music.
I spent a while following the vintage orthodynamic/planar-magnetic headphone forum. While it was useful for listing various types, the views about sound quality were extremely subjective yet taken as gospel. "The Bang & Olufsen U70s are awful", "Audio Technica's ATH-2 was hobbled to make their more expensive dynamic headphones sound better", etc. I took it all with a pinch of salt and found that, for example, the U70s are fantastic (to my ears) *if* you take the trouble to replace the worn earpads.
Moral - no opinion is as good as your ears...!
@@thisisnev That's so true. People forget we all have our own tastes and unique hearing. What's terrible to one person may be glorious to another. A little humility would go a long way for many of the people who are so into audiophile grade products.
I was wondering, is there is a 12- step program for that?
Nicely done
Thanks for this
Second guessing our own likes and sensibilities seems to be human nature. I like craft beer. I used to try a new beer and then look up the reviews on sites like Beeradvocate to see what the “experts” were saying about it to validate my opinion. I’ve since learned, after years of trying to like IPA’s, that I didn’t need my opinion validated. Now I read reviews to try to decide if the taste signature of a beer might be something I’m interested in. Same reason I watch reviews like yours and a few others. When you describe the sonic signature of a speaker or a piece of equipment, I can decide if it something I might be interested in.
I currently have a pair of Q Acoustic 3020s (which seem fine) but I really want a pair of Klipsch Heresys. I was going to buy them on credit (the 0% credit card is literally in the post). I realise it's not your debt of 50K but you may have talked me out of it.
Strange because your video about them was the one that talked me into it in the first place :D
The Heresys aren't going anywhere. Save your money, and when you have the funds to pay cash, buy them then.
Very good advise.
Sound advise 👍🏻
Thanks!
Mahalo Drew great vid great advice 😎🤙
Yamaha avr and jbl lx500 were my first steps into the hobby 😎
I'm still using a Yamaha. I just refurbed a pair of AR-4Xs for my daily drivers. I'm definitely a bargain basement audiophile.
On your last point... I bought some JBL A190s on sale for like $340 a pair, and a new yamaha AVR for $250. Got them, love them. But, I watched reviews and all while I was waiting for them to be delivered. Now the algorithms got me loaded up with speaker, receiver and amp reviews. Knew going into it the yamaha rx-v385 was a hold over for a few years as I built up my surround system, but now I am seeing lots of other speakers that could be better, may like the looks a little more, specs a little better... But at the end of the day, could I do better than a pair of a190s for $340? Probably not new... But now I have a wish list of speakers for down the road.
Point is, this age of information and algorithms seem to keep you focused on the next best thing you could have got.
I will eventually need a good 2.0/2.1 setup for music, finish the surround in the living room, and a good garage system, so more speakers will be had down the road... so theres that to look forward to lol
Thanks for the very good advise
Great video, thank you.
That was a lovely video.
I like where you're comin' from, Andrew.
Thanks!
Very nice Andrew!
Thank you.
Please explain best connections: optical, coaxial, line etc.
Thanks. This is really helpful 🙏🏼
So glad you found it informative!
Seconded on don't go into debt for gear. I wound up upside down in some gear years ago, never again.
And I will say, so far, the living room home cinema (assembled largely of components I already had, and for which I refused even to buy new speaker wire until I had made my second month's rent payment) has not been the lady-magnet I had hoped it would be. So, if that sort of thing is your primary reason for installing something like that (it wasn't in my case, but it was still A reason), maybe rethink a bit.
Very well said.