The Class 707 CityBeam trains on SouthEastern
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2021
- Class 707 Trains are now in passenger service on SouthEastern routes, and they've been called "CityBeam". I went out for a ride on the first day in service, and caught up with a couple of friendly familiar faces too!
My thanks to SouthEastern, Phil and Chris as always.
Phil is the Editor of Modern Railways magazine: www.keymodernrailways.com/mod...
The SouthEastern Citybeam page with all their info is here: www.southeasternrailway.co.uk...
Just think ... if SouthEastern ran 1-car 153's they have every combination from 1 through to 6 car trains covered!
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I understand partly why they don't have toilets, but for someone with Crohn's disease or similar, it can make it an absolute nightmare to travel - especially if the train gets stuck between stations. Even just the one toilet per train would be a lifesaver.
Southeasten did recently retro fit toilets on one of their fleets, it might happen
@UCfIU-ZwW5d7mA3YZIA7I4fQ Probably, yes. The 717s don’t have toilets but the 700/701s do, both on Thameslink
@@prduguid No, they didn't.
Yeah. I’ve got IBS, numerous times the toilets on trains have really saved my bacon, and knowing trains have toilets is a relief (pun intended).
It's going to be as hard for people with bowel conditions on the Elizabeth line when it opens as there's no toilets on those either, despite serving Reading.
Nice to hear passengers called as "passengers" by TOC staff.
As opposed to livestock, which is much more reflective of how they get treated sometimes..
I think the plug sockets should be upside-down, less pressure on the cable in my opinion.
So cool to see rolling stock being upgraded! I love the look of the 707 . . . they remind me of the Heathrow Express Stock.
Bro what are u doing here
The 332?
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@@ambiguoustv2287 he likes transport u muppet
Chris and Phil in the same video! What a treat.
@@geofftech2 please. You said it so it must happen
I didn't realise that 3+2 seating was purely for advertised capacity to win franchises. How much have passengers suffered for something that makes traisn less pleasant to use. Good to hear they are on the way out!
Strictly speaking they're not 'on the way out!' The total collapse of the franchise system means (as I understand it) that everything's in limbo and nobody knows what the next generation of trains will have. With the record of UK Government's it probably won't be good. Open topped standard class and pay to use toilets maybe?
Southeastern lost their franchise due to fraud rather than any operational reason
Or, to loose a few seated passengers but gain space for an awful lot more Standing passengers (You pay to be transported from origin to destination, not for a seat to transport you...\\0)
@@rowanNClangley The thing is that 2+2 gives much more space for standing. 3+2 gives less, but gives a theoretical 25% increase in seats. It does no such thing, and makes everything else on the train much worse. People pay for what they think is best value. This Government are making using a car and giving up working serious options.
Geoff the train that has plug sockets that have the longer pin at the bottom is the class 745/755 FLIRT
Having used the 755 class for quite some time now, I really prefer the sockets being "upside down".
The reason for the earth pin being at the top is so that, if a plug is not fully inserted, a metal object resting in the gap will hit the earth rather than the live or neutral. Although, with the sleeved pins on all modern plugs, this wouldn't really be a concern, so the traditional orientation isn't as important anymore.
I was just thinking ‘when is Geoff going to make a 707 video’
4 seconds later I get a RUclips notification saying Geoff made a video
Chris is great value for money in Geoff's videos. I see a presenting team emerging... 😃
I'd like to say, I'm very impressed with the rail staff members' ability to look into the camera when being interviewed. There are a lot of "professional youtubers" that aren't even good at that.
Scotrail runs 2 car 156 and 158s, 3 car 153/156, 170 and 385s, 4 car 156 and 158s, 5 car 170/158 combo and 6 car 318, 320, 334 and 385 as well as 7 car and 8 car 385s. Potentially could run 153 as a single unit too.
Good spot! ScotRail wins!
Just commented this myself without realising someone beat me to it! If we exclude the powercars, the newly lengthened HST sets count for 5 car also!
Those 6/7/8 carriage trains are all formed of multiple units, and cannot be formed using a single unit, so ScotRail don't count in my books. How many individual units with ScotRail have at least 6 carriages?
If multiple, multiple units are coupled together then Southeastern would also operate 7-car through to 12-car trains. if kept strictly to a single multiple unit then East Midlands Railway might win, who operate 1-car through to 7-car units (excluding 6-car).
Northern also runs almost everything from 1 to 6 cars, and even possible 8 cars sometimes?
Paul is a great guy who I saw twice at New Cross when on test. He told me about the first units being in the new livery and helped me film it on the first trip out! That 707 pin 😍
If the plug is under the seat it is best for it to be upside down (earth pin pointing to ground).
The London Overground 710 units have usb chargers at end of carriages which are useful. The Greater Anglia 379 units have plugs in the 2 seats (airline style) which are just below the window).
Much love (and appreciation) for Chris. And Phil
I gotta say that Chris is mind full of knowledge and always interesting. Good video Geoff.
Cracking video my friend, I always enjoy what you do!!!
In addition to the Window Shoulder Test, I would like to suggest the Shoulder On My Neighbour Test. There have been rants and multi-page articles on this topic in the magazine pictured in this video ;-) That would be a nice video topic : the real-life test of how people effectively sit on train seats, based on seat width, ajacent seat spacing and the presence or absence of a separator between adjacent seats; for a selection of different train Classes and interor layouts.
I take up 1 1/2 of those ridiculous seats. That's just shoulder to shoulder.
Lack of elbow support - Proof positive that industrial designers of trains don't use same on a regular basis. Plug sockets under seats ? Just where your retracted heels will catch them and the cable ? Euh ? How about locating them, recessed and flapped, in the lower window architrave or upright at elbow level . . . . .in the forward facing part of an elbow/arm rest ?
A limited ability to swivel/displace (Front/back) the seats nearest the aisle might assist it accommodating "Rangier" clientele as well as promoting easier ingress/egress to the seating.
@@nicholasroberts6954 Or if they do use them,it's never when weary enough to adopt that pose.
Thanks for the video, brilliant! It is on my local toc, I have been exited for this train for over a year. I am going on the train on Saturday. If anyone wants to travel on the class 707, here is the full list of services on weekdays:
Sidcup Line:
05:31 Crayford to Cannon Street
06:19 Crayford to Charing Cross
09:18 Charing Cross to Gravesend
09:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
10:48 Gravesend to Charing Cross
14:18 Charing Cross to Gravesend
14:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
15:48 Gravesend to Charing Cross
17:02 Charing Cross to Gravesend
18:18 Gravesend to Charing Cross
19:32 Charing Cross to Dartford
19:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
Grove Park Line:
06:20 Cannon Street to Orpington
07:11 Orpington to Cannon Street
11:20 Cannon Street to Orpington
12:11 Orpington to Cannon Street
16:20 Cannon Street to Orpington
17:11 Orpington to Cannon Street
21:20 Cannon Street to Orpington
22:11 Orpington to Cannon Street
Hayes Line:
07:57 Cannon Street to Hayes
08:45 Hayes to Cannon Street
12:57 Cannon Street to Hayes
13:45 Hayes to Cannon Street
17:57 Cannon Street to Hayes
18:45 Hayes to Cannon Street
22:57 Cannon Street to Hayes
Bexleyheath Line:
08:16 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
15:17 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
17:15 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
19:15 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
Woolwich Line:
07:09 Slade Green to Cannon Street
07:12 Charing Cross to Dartford via Lewisham
08:11 Dartford to Charing Cross via Lewisham
08:16 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
09:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
12:12 Charing Cross to Dartford via Lewisham
13:11 Dartford to Charing Cross via Lewisham
14:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
19:38 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Sidcup and Woolwich
15:17 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
17:15 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
19:15 Cannon Street to Cannon Street via Bexleyheath and Woolwich
They want good PR especially in front of someone like Geoff.
Don't care about the orientation of the passenger use sockets, the main thing is they work and continue to do so.
I used to drive the old networker 465/466 units and one of their major faults was the plug type doors. The 707s have encapsulated doors so they in themselves will be far more reliable. I have had to take a train out of service at Greenwich on the up because of sheer number of passengers crammed on board caused a set if doors to fall off their runners and i could not get the doors to shut, no matter what, ( this was in about 1995 ).
A good example of good seating is the difference between Southern's 455 and the SWT refurbished 455s.
The Southern are packed with seats, 3+2, with narrow aisles. The SWT refurbishment are 2+2 seats with lots of circulation space around the door vestibules. The SWT/SWR 455s and hands down far superior to the Southern 455s. Likewise the Merseyrail 507s+8s and the new 777s are 2+2 and much better for it.
Love your videos Geoff. Your knowledge of trains is immense 👍
Another great video! Love your work!
I can't wait to be in London in less than a week and visit all these spots from your videos! I've been looking forward to this moment for years
I miss my jaunts to various places there. Have fun!
I was waiting for this video ever since I came across my first one of these last week :))
Keep up the fab work, Geoff!
They've been running 5-car trains for years, The class 376 is that length.
A beautiful upgrade. I'm fast becoming a South Eastern fan, ever since they introduced the Javelin.
These are better than I thought to be fare. They look nice in SE livery, nice video Geoff! :)
"...to be fare..." Good if unintended play on words.
@@neville132bbk Ok. I’m not trying. Also it’s a mistake. I will learn from it. No need to worry.
Excellent Video Geoff, love the fact that this will be my new local train! And great seeing you on board too just by luck which absolutely made my day! Keep it up!
This is my local train, it just only turns up once on my local linr
Hello Tim
@@elizabethmh_465 Hey Elizabeth
Fancy seeing you here tim 😂
@@thekentishtrainspotter3052 Jusy had to be here didn't I, couldn't miss it for the world 😂👍
Fifty years ago a 4DD was dumped at Plumstead yard awaiting scrap. A noble experiment.
I Iove that you can see all the way through the carriages , I live in Sidcup so I am real happy, I met you twice in one week in Bromley South when lockdown just came in,,, I’d just came out of Greggs,, I checked out the two Subways with in 50 metres of each other in Glasgow and got great photo of it,,, keep filming mate it’s so refreshing , your work is full of interesting facts , best of luck Gerry
Feels strange seeing flash, clean trains ran by Southeastern.
More used to the grimey trains, that’s what I grew up on
lovely video as always
I love your work & the info that you provide. But watching on RUclips, after this video, RUclips started your earlier blog of Underground : USA and even though I've previously watched it I enjoyed a second time as I do love your work. Thanks!
I love these trains. I can't wait to try them out!
Brilliant Video, love the clips of the Class 707s at different locations, need to try them on SouthEastern one day
Simon it will totally be a day out worth it and so need new trains
Great video! Thank you for sharing it Geoff.
My girlfriend lives in Staines, so I have often ridden on these to get into london (as well as 450/455/458s). However, I missed the first 6 to go to SE, so I haven't yet seen 003-008 at all (which haven't been reliveried and entered service with SE yet). Can't wait to head across to SE territory and ride these (although I do also need to get in as many 465/466s as possible before they go)
Nice to see Jennifer out and about on the network. A great video as always Geoff
Great new trains - nice to see Chris D too!
I'm fairly sure ScotRail operates trains of length 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 as well as 7 and 8.
2 car: Classes 156 and 158
3 car: Classes 170, 318, 320, 380, 385 and probably more?
4 car: Class 380, 385
5 car: Either 158 + 170 in combo or the recently lengthened 5 car HSTs (not including PCs)
6 car: Various of the 3 car units doubled up
7 car: Not sure how often these run now but 7 car 385 sets (3 car + 4 car) were being run while those units were first being rolled out
8 car: Class 385s doubled up
Now we just need them to run single 153s... actually no we really don't.
they're referring to single units, not units coupled up
i get on the 707s every week at waterloo going to Battersea as some of them are still with southwestern and now i get go on them coming home and they are a smooth ride
At least these trains have the sockets in the whole train on these 707s unlike the 700s, yes I do realise first class has them and coach 12 is always declassified and on the long services services and declassified in both on metro services
I had my first ride on 28 September out of Cannon Street and it was also the 11.20. The 707s are a vast improvement on the tired old Networkers, and I really like the scrolling destination information that lists all the stations. No more wondering if I am on the right train or straining to hear the announcement at stations down the line. Thanks for the overview and mention of things we humble travellers do not notice.
Thank you for saying hello to Plumstead!
A nice looking train though. 👍
Wow, it's a good day when Geoff and Georgia post on the same day!
Fantastic video
Now I’m trying to find 707007 The Bond Train.
I believe it is at Grove Park at the moment.
The James Bond 707 007 is mainly kept in Grove Park depot sp look out for it in there
Merseyrail have 507007
@@jpbdude4223 is 007 on the wirral or northern?
@@IESpotter depends
Been looking forward to this.
Did enjoy the irony of pointing out the wheelchair bay while approaching Albany Park, a station with (quite steep and numerous) steps to both platforms.
Recently moved away from the UK. I will forever miss the alien ringing of class 707 trains. It's the most memorable sound from my commute.
Nicely done
Great video, I look forward to riding these units! 😃 I like the SE Blue Livery but I think I prefer the SWT red on them.😉👍
The half-hourly trains to Dartford via the Sidcup line currently exrend to Gravesend, and one's just turned up there, forming the next service out back to Charing Cross!!
Plugs should be the correct way up. There’s a safety aspect there (British plugs best plug) and it’s more familiar for visually impaired users.
Toilets would be nice too please.
"British plugs best plug" - come off it.
@@five-o5362 no plugs are better.
Agreed - think at least one of the reasons is if something conductive were to wall and wedge between the plug and the socket with it the correct way up (earth on top) it would bridge either earth and neutral (no issue) or earth and live (leading to RCD cutting power) rather than neutral and live
A nice looking train inside & out.
In Answer to the last question about SE operating 2/3/4/5/6 coach trains Scotrail also come close if you count the 385/380s running in multiple with a through corridor connection.
158/156 (2 Car)
158-153/170 (3 Car)
380/385 (4 Car)
Inter7City (HST+5) (5 Car)
380/385/320/318 x2 (6 Car)
and the class 334 as well as 153s.
I don't think he's counting doubles/multi units, or Northern would be an easy answer
When 707001 was delivered brand new to Clapham yard they stabled it and it was tagged that night nov 2016 002 had a pan fitted for a while
As a blindy, I’d much prefer sockets to be the right way up otherwise it would mess with my head!
I think this is the single most important reason to orientate sockets in the normal and expected way.
I've seen these at Orpington they look really smart.. I also saw these when still in southwest livery a few months ago when they were being tested by SE running Through Orpington station.
I’m going to have to take a ride on those
Ooo that’s a great Q from Chris!
No others that have 2-6 car fixed sets BUT:
West Midlands Railway* & Scotrail have 1-5 car fixed sets.
WMR: 1-car 139, 2-car 170/196, 3-car 172/323/730, 4-car 196/350, 5-car 730
SR: 1-car 153, 2-car 156/158, 3-car 170/318/320/334/380/385, 4-car HST/380/385 & 5-car HST
*WMR 196s & 730s are not yet in service
The nearly ones are:
GWR (2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9)
EMR (1, 2, 4, 5, 7)
SN (2, 3, 4, 5)
SWR (2, 3, 4, 5, 10)
XC (2, 3, 4, 5, 7)
Great vid!
Ooooo I’m going to ride one of these when I go up to London at the end of the month
SW also run
2 - SIngle 158
3 - Single 159
4 - Single 450
5 - Single 444
6 - Double 159
trains
Southeastern back in Government hands on 17th October, well at least we have new trains.
There wasn't the obligatory beggar walking through like every other line that has this style of train. Word will get round no doubt
The revitalised and comfortable ex Mk 2s on the Wellington-Masterton line...the WRL ...with all those tables😄 and excellent 3 level lighting.......they have power points for every passenger...Proper pin arrangement :-):..facing the normal way but down near carpet level and a real pain to reach.
Glad I got to see 707001 before it gets taken over by Southeastern
I managed to see, and photograph, both 707001 and 707007 back in 2019
To answer "Is Southeastern the only TOC to run Trains in continuous car lengths", if it includes joining more than one unit together, Transport for Wales do operate services as 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 car lengths. I think once they've even had 7 cars on a service with a 3-car and 2 2-car 175s all coupled together.
i think SE are the only ones if you exclude joining up units
Southeastern would also win at that as the only length they couldn't do is 1.
2 - 12 all very easily achieved, mostly with the help of the 375/3's!
EMR have 1, 2 3, 4 5 & 7 lengths,
Great video Geoff so exciting. I think the plugs should be upside down so you don't stretch the wire ❤
About time they got new trains
The only other six car sets are the 717s, so if you want to count the whole of GTR as one TOC, then that would fit the criteria
Unless you have two trains coupled together running as one; I've been on a "6 car" Northern 195 on the Styal line.
I can't wait to see them in London Overground livery soon.
Got the same SE font for the station name at the beginning of the vid. Nice attention to detail.
I copped onto your channel through Paul And Rebecca, I think. Very glad I found you.
I’d like the socket to be correct.
Awesome trains the class 707👌
Very good - with the plug sockets - may be they ought to do both ways to please every one!!! 😉🚂🚂🚂
They gave us this "new trains" line in Bristol when they cascaded 25-year-old Turbos to replace Sprinters a few years ago. At least these are only three or four years old.
"Upside down", yes. The earth pin should be at the bottom anyway.
I live in the south-eastern area so this makes this very existing for me
Awesome Video
SWR operate 2 car (159/456), 3 car (159), 4 car (450/455) and 5 car (444/458) units and the new 701’s will be 5 & 10 car. They also operate combinations of 5,6,8 & 10 car multiple workings so I guess they come closest.
3:16
United Kindom: Do you want sockets that are rightside up or upside down?
Mainland Europe: What on earth do you mean? Our sockets have 180° rotational symmetry, they are usable both ways.
They look superb and I look forward to travelling on them. Remember that the 465 class have been in service now since 1991 in some cases, and even the 376 are some 17 years old now. The former look ancient by comparison and are a miserable place to spend a half hour commute. But with only 30 due in service I wonder how many will be on the Bexleyheath line for example
They look very smart, but I wish they had maybe put the SE light blue on the sides of the front. The splodge of yellow just around the headlights looks a bit odd as it doesn't really "line up" with the yellow panel in the middle. Especially as it's not even the same shade of yellow!
SWR run all formations, or can do it with 158/159 combinations that run anything from 2 up to 9 car formations. Some aren't regular formations but you do see them when unit faults occur.
Also Southern can run any formation from 2 to 12 car now with their 377s and 171s
On the 'looper - rounder' bit - it would be a great video to check out the loop routes out of London Termini! I know of the Waterloo one via Richmond and thr Cannon Street one but unaware of any others?
Those are very nice trains
Literally saw one at cannon street then saw the upload notification!
These are my favourite trains that I've never been on. Lol. I just love the front end and the cab. They look like they're from the future, without being ugly. Not massively keen on the spartan interior, but I suppose it's good for those metro services. It would be nice to see a more long distance version of this, kind of like the 450/444 but prettier.
I can't think of any other TOCs that operate 2-6, but Southern come close:
2 on the Marshlink,
3 on the West/East Coastway,
4 on everything and
5 on the updated 377 metros.
South Western also 2-6. 2 carriage (158s,456,484), 3 carriage (159), 4 carriage (450,455, 458), 5 carriage (444, 701, some 458).
The nearest TOC to do such a thing (11:12) is EMR which operate 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 7 car units.
Please send this to Northern so they can see what a door vestibule grab pole looks like so they can fit them to 195s. On busy services if you can't get down the carriage or near the door you have to stand with nothing to grab on to. Not easy on rough track.
cool channel. You learn somthing new everyday! 🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Can definitely tell it's a Siemen's train. At 3:45 it sounds exactly like a ScotRail class 380.
i just take southeastern from Cannon street to London bridge, during peak hours the trains were too crowded due to the seats taking so much space. it's a good thing new trains have more standing space so more people can fit into the train. only downside to me seems the lack of toilets. Only one thing for you Geoff to make the video perfect: as you got to London Bridge, last shot should have been southestern (plat 3) and thamelink (plat 4) 700 series next to each others :)
SWR did the right thing getting rid of these hideous trains, however it's definitely a good thing that SE picked them up, as they have been refurbished to a decent standard, especially the space, honestly I'm impressed.
Platform 1 for the 12:15 southeastern service to Hayes via Catford bridge calling at : London Bridge, new Cross, st John's, Lewisham, ladywell, Catford bridge, lower Sydenham, new Beckenham, clock house, Elmers end, Eden park, West Wickham & Hayes. This train has 10 coaches. Platform 1 for the 12:15 southeastern service to Hayes via Catford bridge. There are unusually many seats avaliable on this train. (City Beam)