As someone who used to study game design and development in college, one of the biggest things I learned from those classes is that given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun aspect out of a game in favor of whatever grants the most consistent desired outcome (which is usually "winning", however the player may define that for (insert game here)). That would be my best guess as to why these sweat squads exist. They have found a method that consistently yields their desired result and they forgot how to have fun.
That is actually a great way of putting it. I think you're exactly on point when you say that. By any chance could you give your opinions on the specific flaws in Dead by Daylight's game design? I've spent a lot of time theorizing about how they could make the game better for both sides, but I don't have any background in game design.
I think the same mentality can be applied to cheaters or griefers, the desired outcome may be different but they'll sure take the fun out of it to meet their own agenda.
Psychologically its painfully obvious that people care more about winning and making others mad than they do having fun. They get artificial fun from upsetting others.
@@AverageJ03Gaming If done with the intent of making the opposition mad, I'd say the intended feeling isn't necessarily fun, but superiority. I'm not above admitting that, in TF2, when a round is ended extremely quickly with my team on top, it feels good: like something was achieved. Normally takes 2 or 3 rounds of that before I realize that the game stopped being challenging or fun and the teams need to be scrambled.
"A phrase we used on the 'Civilization' development team to describe this phenomenon is that 'water finds a crack' - meaning that any hole a player can possibly find in the game’s design will be inevitably abused over and over. The greatest danger is that once a player discovers such an exploit, she will never be able to play the game again without using it - the knowledge cannot be ignored or forgotten, even if the player wishes otherwise." - Soren Johnson, GD Column 17: Water Finds a Crack
Thats only true for about 90% of the playerbase, though. Me and others I know of avoid those "exploits", or easy-roads. Especially in dbd I swore to never ever use perks like Noed, Unbreakable, DS or OoO
I used to think I was going up against these squads on the regular, and it was so frustrating to play against. Then the one time I went to get something to drink while I was in queue, I come back at 15 seconds and see them. Check their profiles, 9k+ hours each, toolkits, they have the one OoO scout that does immaculate looping, never falls for mind games, and each chase with anyone else was much longer than needed to be since the OoO was always there making sure I either had to chase him, or I had to end up relying on bloodlust to get hits in. It was honestly one of the absolutely most miserable experiences I've had in gaming overall. On the plus side, I don't think the regular 4 man swf is that bad anymore.
i remember otz playing against squad like this and he, in fact, destroyed them but it was such a hard match and he had to play really scummy. i think its on yt
@@eno9430 he knew what he was going to face, and he brought blind add ons on freddy to counter OoO. I faced half of a tournanent team once (just 2 players), i was memeing with bubba, they told me i was garbage at the end of the game xd
to be fair i also run OoO from time to time and im pretty hard to catch, that doesnt mean im in a tournament squad, sometimes the killer cant apply pressure and the gens fly and afterwards he said " fuking tryhard swf " well yea look at my perks i have bond, would i use that in swf? a Nancy with spine chill 2 and self care 1, sure these people are sweating xD. its often just an excuse as to why they failed to win and i see that so often, they persist its an swf even if its obvious they are not. tournament squads are really rare and killer need to realize that. i once played with doctor on red forest against a bully-squad, got them all killed with 10 hooks, sure they were cocky and disrespectful but they werent tournament people, they just have fun at being the power role
This is exactly how solo queue players feel about killers (like for example) who bring ebony mori's on spirit with old prayer beads and mother daughter ring - it's technically allowed but it's very much overkill and no fun for any other party involved.
Stress relief. After getting bodied by a sweaty swf team I need something to calm me down and not feel like a utter failure, so I use mori and ultra rare add ons because of that( its either this or punching the nearest wall lol)
@@Snyphurr. haha, I totally get where you're coming from but it's very much an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" kinda situation where as a community we're just going to experience a net happiness loss. Hopefully the developers can try to reduce the gap between killers, solo queue, and these 4-man swf squads.
@@Snyphurr. Or you could think of it as a game, realize you took an L, and move on. Play a killer you enjoy or do something meme. I have given up getting mad at this game. Horrible people (both killer and survivor) are going to be horrible, but you won't face them every game. So take that L and move on, i'm sure almost immediately you'll run into a team of rank 20 megheads and you will literally have to try to lose
Anytime I’m going against a sweat toxic swf I just run bubba and face camp secure the kill and afk if they wanna try and ruin my fun I can do the same :p
As bad as it sounds, domination. Regardless of if they’re petty or unfulfilled people in real life, there is always at least a slight intoxication with being in control and dominating others, no matter who you are. It’s just a primeval human trait which DbD can satiate quite nicely.
yea it seems like a valid argument for playing sweaty a few times but doing it always?? like dont they get bored of 3min long matches where nothing happens cause, lets be real, good killers aint that common
So, I've been asking everyone I can this question since I picked up the game a few months ago: What is the actual point of Rank? It doesn't come with any extra rewards, it apparently doesn't affect Matchmaking, but everyone seems to take it super seriously like it's this majorly important thing to have. So what is the actual point of Rank?
@@matthewthiessen2173 It does impact matchmaking but there is absolutely no point in trying to rank up. I strongly advise you to just focus on having fun.
@@matthewthiessen2173 It's supposed to be an indication of skill and is supposed to be used for matchmaking, but it is poorly implemented. On top of that, since this is a very casual game, (you can't ever convince me this is a competitive game, it's based off of kids playground games after all) all a high rank does for you is throw you in games with people who take this game way too seriously, and thus take all the fun away.
@@Th3RunnerUp I have no need to convince you it's a competitive game but as killer when you go against a really strong 10000+ hour swf, using stretched screen all on comms optimizing every loop to its full potential, you start to feel like this game is competitive
Scott, would you be willing to post a game going against one of these squads (cutting out all names if you want) to allow people to discern a good SWF vs a sweaty SWF. Many people don't know what a top tier team looks like and can only relate to you by what they've experienced. Showing the unfun nature of these teams and the tactics used may help people sympathize with your argument and realize that the teams they verse are not on the same plane. Additionally, for people who don't know what very high level looping looks, truetalent recently posted a game titled "What 4 SWF High MMR Will Look Like." It's a decent example of great players, but not to the level that Scott is talking about.
I'm not sure I've seen Scott go against any (not that I've even seen most of his games) but Otzdarva has a video where he does. ruclips.net/video/q5uUUAz7m1U/видео.html granted he brought a build to counter it so it was a fair fight but this is how they play.
the sweat teams will split on 3 gens and end the match instantly. going against them is basically accepting defeat but also being bewildered at the level they're playing on.
That tru3 vid is massive clickbait though. The game was pretty much over after 6 minutes (and he won, getting away with tons of mistakes)... The claudette wasn’t even doing gens, the two last survs were just trying to have fun looping the killer, and tru3 made too many misplays in chase that could’ve been hard punished
@@ChillyBillyBurnFire1 That's fair, he did make numerous mistakes. That doesn't take away from the fact that the players were very experienced and knew how to capitalize on True's mistakes and poorish pathing most of the time. I just threw that video into my original comment to provide an example for people that didn't know how high the skill ceiling is for this game.
Got into a conversation with a sweat squad member before, and that particular one I was talking to was convinced that the game was 100% fair versus them if the killer was playing an A tier killer or above (hillbilly, huntress, etc). After a while of talking, he admitted that while he did find those matches to be fair for the killer, he found it even more fun to bully people playing killer's like wraith and trapper because it felt good to just obliterate people who think they can "change the meta" and try something outside of the box. It made him sorta mad that anyone would try to play anything besides Nurse/Billy/Huntress because those are the only "skillful" killers and killers playing low-tier killers were just being lazy because low tier killers are usually easy to play.
And that's exactly how it should be. For every "bubba is underrated" and "all killers are viable" lying content creator we need a sweat squad pounding their viewers into the dirt until they get what a true joke the game is
I don't say i agree with that person, but it is quite true that it's really easy to understand and use m1 killers, which makes them easier to be read and in the end, weaker, while billy or nurse have a completely separate learning curve you don't get adapted to as quickly. As a person who plays a lot with tournament level players, it is more fun to figure out how to play against a good nurse thar can apply pressure on us, than it is against some poor insidious bubba. Very little of these people actually want to bully anyone though
I can't understand why a sweat squad would want to essentially dominate and bully killers with no chance of winning. However, what I do understand is having a tryhard 4 man SWF trying to do specific challenges like escapes in a row, never getting hooked, or stuff like working on better communication without having a 5th player to do KYF. I personally want a sweaty tryhard team just to be able to do fun challenges like that, because it's fun challenging myself or with the team. Take the challenges away and like you said, you are basically just playing a cutscene, over and over again.
It’s still a form of domination though. The main complaint with SWF is that when you go against one, the game is more in your favor as often becomes unplayable for killers. Even the best killers in the community can’t come to par with SWF. Just like survivors complain about boring maps, boring killers, etc. Constantly going against SWF groups who do 3 gens in under 4 minutes, run the meta perks, bring keys, etc. gets boring and frustrating. That’s why you don’t see many red ranked killers anymore because it’s goddamn frustrating. SWF groups ALWAYS have the upper hand and you cannot deny that.
@Xela Flow they give themselves challenges, they dont necessarily want to ruin the killer's day, and they do, they didnt set out to do it. And those challenges may even be outside of escaping or anything - and they also may not necessarily succeed on doing so. Maybe the challenge is some shit to do with no mither or mettle of man or something idk. I'm not good enough as survivor to be able to do these things
@Xela Flow again, idk because I dont do this shit because im not good enough. My point is that they dont necessarily wish to ruin the killers day game in game out by doing the same thing every time
I would honestly love to see more Tournament-Level DbD gameplay, with restrictions and limitations to make the playing field more even. I had a blast watching Otz's tournament game analysis, and high-level DbD play is really engaging to watch. High-Level play of any game really is super engaging to watch Depip Squads are nothing like that though. It's just bullying and a complete waste of time for both sides
Man I love the fuck out of your NTD videos for dank souls 3. If the rumors are true and bloodborne comes to PC, are you going to being doing PVP vids on that?
Getting spun happens. I've been spun and dumbfounded by a player here and there and always say "GG. I should've stopped chasing you after the 4th 360 in a row lol" all killers get it done to them. It happens on his stream and this is section is FULL of trolls pointing it out like it hasn't happened to them. And if you say it hasn't, you're 100% lying
I’ve always wondered this myself, having quick matches suck balls. Sweaty teams try to escape ASAP and get shit for points, I love having good length matches so everyone can get 20k+ points
I personally don’t like giving the killer more time to be able to read me. I know it’s up to me to keep the killer guessing, but spending more time in chase gives him more time to read my play style. To a certain point, i get exhausted trying to outplay the killers idea of how to outplay me.
I was playing huntress once and hook everyone 2 times and only killed one of them, but It was one of the most Fun games for me, for both sides I think. Everyone got 20k points
I have never been in one of this squads but it's really simple: Some people don't want to lose at literally anything and will tryhard at literally every kind of competition (which includes any kind of pvp game, even if casual) regardless of anything else (like fun or if it is predetermined) they exclusively do not want to lose, ever.
@@brunosouza3326 I'd say the really safe pallets are worth breaking since it takes so long to phase to the other side. Like the ones by the bathroom on The Game.
I can totally sympathize with people who solo que, as I am a person who plays both sides and have no friends so enjoy this game as much as I do (seriously. I try to get my friends to play and all they do is complain about the queue times and beg to Olay something else. Plus, they’re rank 20s so I’m essentially solo queueing playing with them anyway). But, people can’t say that SWF isn’t overpowered. You have constant communication on your side and in a game like this, communication is the most powerful thing someone can have. “Where’s the killer?” “They’re chasing me, finish the gen! Oh wait, they’re going back to the gen, hide!” “The killer just placed a trap there” “They’re face camping me” “I have BT/DS/Unbreakable/Head on/any other game disrupting perk” That’s complete advantage. Something I do like about solo queueing is the complete unpredictability of the outcome. Yes, it’s nice to win, but just like killers have to accept they’re not going to win all the time, survivors should too. And solo queueing actually helped me learn how to play better. It helped me learn how to run a killer around while my teammates do gens, or how to counter a campy, tunneling killer.
thezombiesslayer also, I apologize for the late reply! Idk why RUclips only gives me some notifications for certain comments I make. I rarely ever get notifs for comment replies, only likes
The reason we did it almost 3 years ago as you should well know was to show bhvr that their game has an issue in the core of the game (the survivor objective). Everyone (except Baefu) in the original depip squad from me to spud to marth was a killer main infact. Unfortunately, BHVR antagonized us to the point where they never truly gave us an official answer and one of their Community managers actually changed a rule in the finals of the official tournament to make us lose and then didn't even took responsibility for it so that the blame went to the Space Esport org. In the end, all we achieved is that we pretty much made this optimal meta for survivors to always win vs killers while instead, what we wanted was from bhvr to see how stupid the game is if only survivors tryed seriously to do what the game requires them to do. Gens and get out. Scott. Instead of blaming the players you first as a streamer and a pillar of this community have the responsibility to blame who deserves to be blamed. And is not the player who play optimally: This game is very simple. If you are a survivor you got to survive. If you are a killer you got to kill. If you belive your way of playing the game is the right one you are wrong and you are part of the problem why the devs belive that their "statistics" are correct. If survivors never try hard just because is "boring" how can the devs ever balance. Then we got those "yep freddy need a nerf he is at 2.1 kill per game" arguments from bhvr... and everyone always forget to tell the other side of the story: The gens are such an easy and boring objective that survivors literally prefer to die than doing them. Frankly you should thanks the sweaty teams. They play the game and if everyone played like that bhvr would probably balance more competitively (and killers would be funnier to play as they would be much stronger than what they are now). If everyone played like the sweaty teams maybe rank would mean something as only survivors who try hard to escape would climb. I hope I didn't sound to harsh Scott but belive me from the tone of your video you needed it to understand a bit better the battle for balance we fought vs bhvr.
none care about those statistics or the actual balance of the game, people just wanna have fun. So yeah I'm gonna blame the devs for the balance but also the people abusing the "holes" in the game.
@@lemaitredutemp The devs balance the game around those statistics they showed them multiple times in their streams as a justification for their actions. The biggest example is mentioned in my comment already it was when the devs showed freddy kill ratio as they were nerfing him... even if release freddy was the weakest killer on release ever made. Also the devs do care about the actual balance when it comes down to the "majority" (survivors) having fun: So why do the devs nerfed release freddy because rank 20s couldn't play against him yet they nerfed the nurse who has always been the killer with the lowest kill ratio? (as the majority of players can't play her). The answer is simple: They don't want to publicly say "We balance the game so that in the majority of the games the majority of the players (survivors) have fun at the expense of 1 killer", and here comes the bhvr inconsistencies: they use those stats as a justification when they can, otherwise they just say we balance around people having fun. Also why do you (as bhvr) belive that more balance = less fun? if anything the opposite is true (even I remember more fondly close games compared to utter killer stromps). Look at the state of the game now. If you play survivor you have to deal in both eu and na queue with with 4-5 mins of lobby simulator per game, still if you queue as killer you instantly find a game, that by itself speaks volumes about the current balance and what people think about it.
@@sionsion1991 As far as I can tell, the DBD devs are very similar to Warframe's developers. IE: None of them actually play the game, and dont care enough about the game to do so either. They just want to make as much money as possible before people realize that they don't give a shit.
@@feelsweird_dude They were really fucking hard to go against, they absolutely decimated me and I basically had to rely on powerful killers to even do well.
If I were to guess, I think it can be explained by Bartle's taxonomy, ironically those kinds of people are known as "killers" on that graph, and it's the intense level of killer who operate on the ability to hunt and hurt other players. Ganking, griefing, etc. The 4 man sweat squad gives them an insanely unbalanced power over the other side, it's a joy of winning when it comes at the expense of someone else, even if there was basically no competition. It may be a similar effect to just staring at a paper that says "You win" for all the effort it takes, but they get joy from knowing that there is someone on the other side that they made a bad experience for. It's a similar kind of people that get pleasure from making a worse experience for someone else, whether that's cheating, hacking, griefing, all those kinds of things that swing the power dynamic in their favor.
That's a pretty good answer. I've been reading the comments and one person explained they're "toxic for fun." Guess they're just missing some sympathy?
Yea that's quite a good point. I imagine they feel superior since if the DbD Killer asks them why they sweat then they can just lie back on the tried and true mindset of "just trying to win lul" to avoid any honest criticism.
From my point of view there is only 2 ways you could have fun playing like that: - Make the killer mad, because playing like that is the most annoying shit you can do, even clicky clicky flashlights are more entertaining. - This is the only game they are really good at, if they are this competitive and are just as good in another game with a competitive scene they wouldn't be playing this game. Even if you are playing to get better, I dont see the point even if you are rank 1 the skill disparity between players and killers is so monumental, the point of playing competitively is to play against similar skilled opponents, and trying to fix your mistakes but in this game playing like that is 99% just stomping the killer and you learn nothing. While I do believe some play to win, others just play for the other side to lose, their enjoyment comes from the lack of enjoyment that the killer is experiencing. If you know any more reasons I would love to know :)
Option 1 is more likely, they are sadistic people who enjoy torturing strangers and they've found other sadistic people who enjoy the same thing. You can experience the majority of the game in like 300 hours max, when it gets 9k hours... they don't find the actual game fun anymore, just the act of torture they inflict onto others.
@@maggotthemadman8142 I dont have anything against them being competitive in this game, if they want to play like just Scrim/KYF all day going on public lobbies doesnt to any good on both sides
I think its just a huge ego boost and trying to live a dream of being a professional grade tournament player. but like you've said time and time again, DBD relies to heavily on rng to ever be taken so seriously.
I think most people have rarely encountered a tournament squad, but I'm sure most people have felt the pain of a sweaty 4-man finishing a generator in 20~ seconds and you've barely placed two bear traps.
There's money and fame. That's how it's been since the beginning. I use to be apart of the comp scene (was one of the founders of ID) and what motivated us was overcoming other good teams, gaining bank, and fame as well. It's nice being known as great players in the community. Now I just help out with a comp league. Being apart of a team was like being in a family, so that also plays a large part. Thing is we can't always play against other equally skilled players (I'm just a killer) so we swf and go into pubs. Just us wanting to play the game. There's satisfaction in doing what you can to win, that's all I can really say.
@@Kro-RissaVirus You'd be surprised. hexy is hosting a $15k+ tournament in september. The highest I ever won when I was apart of the team was a $750 tourney. There's a lot more to the community than you may realise.
@@samtar2756 A good starting point would be to join the DBD league and try to join\form a team. It's a large community and the staff are very friendly (I am one!). They mainly operate on a Discord server. Come join us! discord.gg/JmtZzgP
I remember once I said to myself "Let's try to play killer!". I queue up as Ghostface. I get in the lobby. 4 Feng Min, all named "One of the boys", all with the same cosmetics, all with a flashlight. There, I realized... it was too late. I get into the match, nervous and scared. As a survivor main that sucks at playing killer, I try to make the most out of my power, to no avail. The only chase I manage to down one of them, as I pick them up two of the others come out from behind a wall and blind me. It lasted maybe 3 minutes, but it was the most horrible and humiliating experience in my whole gaming experience (and I play league of legends pretty regularly so I pride myself as a connoisseur of "feeling miserable"). And you know what? It was amazing. As the match ended, I was laughing my ass off. I personally think a lot of the times we forget that multiplayer games are, when you boil it down, social environments. And in social environments, there are such people that like to behave in certain ways. Now, in that match, I learned a lot of stuff that has been very useful, both for playing survivor and killer. And I think we forget too often that there will always be people better than us, smarter than us, more efficient than us. Are those people playing in a not-fun way? To you, maybe, but for them *that* is fun. I treated my experience as just that, experience. And I tried to make the most out of it. If you want to unplug from real life and relax and have an EZ win... you should not play multiplayer games. Multiplayer PVP games are for people who just had a good 9 hours of sleep night, got up, had a coffee or whatever, and are ready to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And also ready for a healthy dose of bm and "gg EZ". But if you love the game and the content the game provides, you have to accept that other people like and have fun playing in a different way than you. And if you only have fun winning... ok maybe you have a problem, but you can't say you don't understand them. And hey, there's always next match.
Thank you for mentioning that these groups aren't nearly as common as people say. Twitch streamers get flashlight saved once and immediately jump to "I cannot believe I am going against a 4 man bully team with comms" lol. It's definitely a real thing, and it's annoying when it happens, but they're far from frequent.
"Organized" teams are still an issue, a dedicated "runner" kind of warrants the game adding a stamina mechanic that makes survivors that max out of chase points start moving slower and slower until they're easy to catch. The goal of a survivor should be to _escape_ the killer, I've seen these players depip by being the chase magnet all game since they don't get a single objective, they'll not accrue altruism while being chased and rarely is their boldness high enough to compensate unless they are... well a bad looper. Though I've seen them on streams, a looper, a genner, a totem smasher, and a healer. At the end game screen they depip... but truely if it detects a pattern of not prioritizing points their only rewards should be longer queues, or thrown to rank one killers despite not being high rank.
Sorry, Scott, but anything you've got to say as a killer no longer counts ever since The Quentin Incident. As for why, well, there is direct pleasure to be taken in making someone angry with your buddies. E-bullying, welcome to 2020.
The only complaint I have is that survivors commonly disconnect and ruin the game, if the killer gets momentum early on. However if the survivors run circles around the killer, they also get toxic and flame the killer player at the end of the match. Meanwhile killers don't typically disconnect. I play both survivor and killer, and see this every day.
I guess a good way to look at it is it's a similar reason as to why people speedrun games. It's basically just them doing the same thing over and over and getting a guaranteed win, just like with these sweat squads, but it's about perfecting your own skills and potentially outplaying the game developers' glitch patches.
Not sure if you're in a diffrent time zone, but it's the exact opposite. I'm rank 3 (1 before reset) and I find good efficient survivors and 3-4 SFWs in the afternoon. When I play at 10:00-1:00 it's like 4 rank 9-10s, feels like I turned on MMR.
I would love them to disable swf for a day because I'd love to hear the excuses from the killers that blame every loss on a swf when it probably wasn't lol
or the devs could try to not be lazy, and just implement some visual feedback at the end game screen, where you can see who was paired with who. Then people can't pretend they are not swf, and killers can't say someone was swf when they were not. Just don't show who is swf before a match, because killers would leave the game if they knew they were going against 3-4 man squads
@@fakeest yeah I've been saying for a while they should have something in the post game. I genuinely think swf gets blamed waaaaay too much and even then not all swfs are sweat squads. But yeah on the other side, like you said, people can't pretend they're not and they definitely shouldn't have it before game lol
@@fakeest imagine the dbd devs actually putting effort into the game instead of not giving a shit ever boy that'd be fun too bad it'll never happen cause dbd devs
@@fusrosandvich3738 yeah I've pretty much quit dbd. I come back now and then because it's fun to swf, but man do I dislike the dev team. One of the worst, if not the worst dev team I've experienced
The answer is the same as to the question "why Bubba camp with insidius" - "I want to win". Perhaps this is also reinforced by a hurt sense of justice. "I met a toxic killer / survivor, so I subconsciously want to make the next person I get to suffer." Also, for me personally, this is due to the feeling that I defeat the "monster" as a hero. Any sane person associates the words "killer maniac" with something terrible, absolutely wrong. DBD elevates this principle to the absolute, because there, you take on the role of a victim. A survivor that was unfairly thrown into hell with no way to harm or take revenge on the offender. This also subconsciously awakens the desire to win, to destroy the tormentor at any cost. Even if we intellectually understand that behind the screen there is only a person who just wants to have a good evening.
I play swf because it's more fun, but we legit get called sweats when we half-ass games and talk about CBT while getting chased, like I feel it's just being swf that annoys some killer mains, not even being super good.
as a Killer: Yup. 4-man SWF’s are significantly more difficult to go against. Even 4man’s that are just a bunch of friends fucking around get tons more info than they normally would just from their buddy going “oh shit i’m being chased”, or “i’m gonna go for the save”. Less experienced Killers see that coordination and information exchange happen and assume you’re trying to sweat, because they can’t tell the difference between that and the *actual* “sweat squads”. not saying you shouldn’t 4-man swf or anything, but that’s why that happens.
@@SwansingerLJG Yeah of course we call out if the killer is on us or we see the killer go somewhere but it's not actually trying hard. It's just so annoying when the killers take no responsibility and just throw out the ''sweaty survivors'' card. I get your point of course, and agree.
It’s also annoying when Survivors call me a camper/tunneler when i’m not doing it. it’s unfortunately just kinda part of asymmetric games - the other side can’t see your perspective, and just assume you’re playing like an ass because that’s easier to rationalize than them just losing.
@@SwansingerLJG It's always the players who only play one side. Like when I play killer and I won't camp at all, but during endgame you can't really do much except patrol the hook you get called a camper. People just need to understand both sides of the coin.
I say it’s the only the thing they have to be accomplished of in life because those people had average grades and work average paying jobs, so they think that doing this makes them very cool.
I met a "budget version" of these type of squads, they were only 3. They had a team tag in front of their names [LikeThis] And ran only prestige 3 Claudettes, All 3 offerings were Yamaoka Estate. For items they all had crap medpacks with Bottled Time. Perks were obviously UB, DS, Adrenaline and BT (I believe one of them had Prove Thyself instead of BT). They let the pug die on first hook, and during one chase in the endgame 2 of them locked me in a corner and bottled time themselves to block me for 2-3 hits while the 3rd guy opened the gate.. All this was done in about 4 mins.. My empathy goes out to that pug.. She had a Gateau as an offering :(
So Resident Evil: Resistance is the capcom / RE version of this game, and yeah, sweat squads exist (they're called SWAT teams over there) and they usually just crush the killer as well, but in that game, killers can absolutely decimate solo queuers in ways that just aren't possible in dead by daylight. I enjoyed solo queueing into mid-tier killer games and carrying my team, but a lot of the time I'd run into the same 3-4 killers who would literally just delete my entire team in the first area within minutes. Problem is now, most of the killers are like that / have that ability, and unless you're part of a SWAT team, you're probably going to lose. The only response I ever got from the killer, on why they enjoyed a game where they sat in queue for longer than it took for them to win, was "I get more (iridescent shard equivalent) the faster I go through games)." Which is true for RE:R, but not DBD; they even get less bloodpoints by just pumping gens & escaping.
Hey Scott, I’m a new subscriber and I just watched this video. Thanks btw for the „how not to be a bad killer“ tutorial, worked really good. Maybe I don’t see the difference between a tournament sweat squad and a toxic squad. From my experience at least every 20th match I have a very toxic squad that finishes all gens in like 3 minutes (at least feels like it) and they are ready to exit before I hit 2 of them.
Now that's simple. Fun. I'm not one of those players. In fact we seem to share the same idea of fun for the most part. For example, when I used to play Dota (played between 08 - 2015, wow time flies) I used to be pretty good at it, as you'd expect from someone who played the same game for 7 years. I couldn't stand picking the same hero twice in a row or making the same build for the same hero all the time. I used to random hero and make silly meme build in ranked and was about 5k mmr when the pros used to be 5.5k-6k. One day a friend asked me to see what I could do if I actually tried hard picking a hero and meta build. All I could do was pick the same hero, Tuskarr for 10 games in a row I could not play that shit for more than 10 games and won 9/10 games but that shit was so boring I rather keep my winrate of 50% at 5k mmr than grind mmr in a boring fashion. I never understood how people could pick the same hero over and over for 1000 games in a row with the same build. Now I do, people are just different, that's all.
I feel the same way. On the opposite side, I've played League of Legends for 7, maybe 8, years as well. I used to have my favorite champions to play as, and nowadays, I can't be bothered to play the same champion more than 2-3 times in the same day unless I come up with a really stupid build that shouldn't work but does. I dabbled in Dota but I don't know if it has the same terms as League does, but in bot lane, theres ADC and support, ADC, a ranged carry. I almost never actually pick a ranged character for that role anymore. If I do, I pick a mage and build AD on them to see how well I can make it work. League is currently having a new event going on and they're releasing a legendary skin for my favorite champion (Ahri), as well as they buffed my 2nd favorite champion (Twisted Fate). This was the first time in years that I only played two champions for an extended amount of time rather than constantly switching after a match or two. League saves your most recent 20 matches so I can't see how many I actually won because I forgot to count before it went off the match history, but I won at least 17 games in a row last week. It's crazy that I can do that, but I played the same two champions for like 20+ games in a row and was just numb by the end of the win streak. I finally lost when I got bored and built some stupid hybrid damage build. I've been thinking about playing ranked again on League, but that would only make the problem worse as I would basically be stuck building only meta stuff cause otherwise you get reported and banned for "trolling" (League's report system is awful). The last season that I played ranked was 3 years ago and I was Silver 4, which isn't impressive at all I know, but I had an 80% win rate playing a non carry character, Singed who relies on his team to capitalize on his pressure (And low rank players don't do that very consistently). I can't imagine how much better I've gotten with 3 more years of experience and BOTH of my mains being relevant again and being in a position to actually carry games with the champions I play. But I just can't bring myself to do it, I can't play the same stuff every match and last week, that win streak just proved that to me. I have a strong urge to prove to myself that I'm a high level player in ranked but I know I would hate every moment of it. I know people are different, but I just can't wrap my head around playing the same stuff every match anymore, I used to be the same and now I just can't.
@@vi5e0gam3r5 I don't know. As I said, I don't find that fun, I align very much with Scott's idea of fun. The fact of the matter is people are different and some people find this play style fun and that's ok. I'll tell you what would be awesome that will most likely never happen in DBD, though. Custom servers. Imagine a world you can pick and choose the server to play in where the people there share the same idea of fun as you and you make friends playing on the same server every day. It's almost like custom servers have existed for over 20 years but companies have been removing that feature from games for whatever reason.
@@bevvvy1374 Oh yea, 100%. But that's precisely why I don't play ranked. Can't stand doing the same thing every game and that's what ranked would force me to do. I only do this stuff in normals.
Typically, in my experience, SWFs are more focused on ensuring the killer *does not have fun* , and that's how they get theirs. Imagine having that shallow of a life that you have to maintain SOME semblance of pleasure in just making others suffer.
I can't stand when someone so heavily tilts the game in their favor just earlier a swf brought midwich with object and had the nerve to say "why'd you DC" I thought the point of this game was to outplay the killer and that's fun running in squares for 5 minutes just to use god windows and pallets when the killer catches up is so boring
Cocoa Bean There’s ways around that. Don’t be like the killers and *not* learn them. Everything a survivor can do to you can be countered. It’s your choice to either get better or complain to the devs that the survivors have a means of surviving
@@PissQueen009 In this particular example - OoO on Midwich - there really is no counter to it. Scott even talks about it in this video: ruclips.net/video/-Fv1rD82kmM/видео.html If you knew beforehand that the survivors were bringing a midwich map offering, maybe you could bring a more suitable killer like nurse, spirit or maybe even wraith with some good addons. But if you just get matched up with these people not knowing they were doing a strategy like this, it's pretty much uncounterable with most killers. You're just going to be running in squares, spending half the match to get one hit in. If you ignore the obsession to go for the others, no dice either because they're on comms - this is literally the entire reason they're using a midwich map offering with object. I think people shouldn't complain about survivors having a means of surviving or killers having a means of killing - but when either side brings something that heavily tilts the match in their favour and takes away the element of uncertainty, the other side is not obliged to just suffer through the match. A DC is very understandable in such cases.
Avada Kedavra But in that instance, it has nothing to do with one side or the other. It’s the devs. Sidenote, I really can’t entertain the idea of “UwU they have OoO on midwitch I can’t win”. Ma’am, that’s one person not doing gens. Even with comms, there’s ways around it. Yes it can be frustrating but it can be done. Worst case? Pick a different killer. Spirit is unfair. Just play spirit
@@PissQueen009 I'm exceptionally good at huntress I've mailed her for years and Im not gonna bring exhaustion add-ons or iri head into a random lobby if I knew they were gonna do that I would've switched to spirit to show them the epitomy of fun
As someone who has played with who you consider a sweat squad and are friends with these people, they're just having a fun time. Do they play to win? Sometimes, but they're just chilling and just trying to have fun. Our comms have never been super tactical or anything, we're just cracking jokes and laughing, having a good time. In all honestly, it's just 3-4 really good survivors playing together. All though, this doesn't apply to every sweat squad as I don't know everyone but the majority of these survivors that I do know don't have any interest in being in a competitive team. They're competitive by nature, but some people have fun by being competitive even if they game isn't by design
I'm not part of a squad, but the answer seems obvious. It's the same reason that bullies exist on the playground. Picking on those weaker than you makes them feel powerful, probably because they have frustrations in their real lives. People play DBD for the fantasy of being the power role, it just isn't the role you think it is.
I have gone against that 1 sweat squad, 1 time. One time stands out. Obviously, 4 DS 4 Unbreakable, dead hard/sprint burst and iron will, but one guy had object of obsession. The object called out everything I was doing to the guy I was chasing, while the other 2 were on separate gens. I was playing Michael, and I didn’t do so well. The second I went for the object guy, everyone dropped what they were doing and protected him at all costs. All hope seemed lost. After the last gen popped, and the gates were opened, they t-bagged thinking they had won. But I had an ace in the hole. The one thing that not even the sweatiest 4man on the planet takes into account. The fact that I secretly was running a tombstone piece. I popped my 99d tier 3, and murdered the object of obsession guy. Still de-pipped, but good lord, nothing will be more satisfying than that moment.
These people just love winning. They don't care if it's against a Rank 1 Nurse or a Rank 20 Wraith. They don't care about a challenge, they just love feeling the chemical mixture that goes to their brain whenever they escape a match.
i met a member of one of these guys in a game and friended him and got talking to him, one reason why he said they like playing these 4 man sweat squads is to unlock as close as possible the maximum potential of the survivor role and really realizing their true potential. He does say he does feel bad because he does agree that the game is HORRIBLY unbalanced, but he seems the kind of guy that just likes to unlock the maximum potential in the roles that he plays and this is what he told me about his 4 man death squad
I'll try my best to explain these people will rush gens as fast as they can be in a 4 man swf in coms they won't even unhook just to do gens then open the door and escape then go into another game and do it again but since rank is broken almost no killers can handle it so they just win almost every single time Tldr they big boolies
I think it is largely a power thing. Like I think the enjoyable thing about survivor, at its core, is that you’re (conceptually) the less powerful person as you can’t kill the killer and thus when you escape or perform something great against the big baddie who can kill you, it makes you feel amazing. Now, as for some 4 man sweat squads who just like to stomp killers, i think it’s still a power thing but its because you’re the more powerful side now, it’s like a bragging power display as if to say “haha look at this killer that can’t kill. Look how cool I am”. It genuinely feels like the only positive is essentially to feel powerful because gameplay-wise it’s so unfun. I don’t think this is universal though, I also think some people just like to be as good at the game as they possibly can, like it’s human instinct to just want to win in the most convincing way possible, hence why people always want to break world records. I think the same rule applies here, I just think DBD isn’t the right game for that. Sorry if that was a long rambling mess. As a casual mostly survivor player who has only ever played solo queue, those are my thoughts
I’ve never understood sweat. It’s a game. Why do you need to be perfect at what is casual? Run a build that is fun, not Dead Hard, DS, Unbreakable, and BT
@@emojee6289 ill be honest he would have a better point of "dont tell people how to play a game" if those perks didn't make a killer play lame just to win
From being in a couple tournaments and overlooking the Syndicate crew very closely, being able to comfortably show skill against the killer by having all the information they need (killer, perk setup, vague understanding of how they play) is the most optimal situation to have a chase in. The satisfying part about that is just being very comfortable with the chase, which is very different from soloQ where you have to learn the killer as you're being chased down. I found it interesting with what you said about depipping, as things like leaving teammates to die to have the killer depip is not respected by the people I've played with outside of tournaments. The only reason I've ever seen people play like that is to warm up for a tourney.
No one has the right to tell another player how to play the game and whats "fun" to them. When you buy a game you dont say "hey ima get ths game to play it the way other people want me to play it. No you get the game and say im but to have fun. Having "fun" in a game is up to the person that bout the game for them self. If I wanna facecamp with Mikey with tier 3 ready to go because that fun to me then good let me do it. If I wanna insidious camp with bubba because its fun to me then let me do it. If I wanna be a "depip squad" because its fun to me then let me do it. Your version of fun aint my version of fun. Its that simple.
Yes finally someone finally said it in my 2 years of playing dbd this has happened to me ONCE and it was dreadful I’m so happy people like this are finally speaking out for people that play to just “bully” the killer
While I fucking *hate* those squads, they don't play for fun, they play for outcome. The satisfaction of getting that outcome is what fuels them to do what they do. As long as they get something out of it, it's worth their time
I think i know what kind of Squad you are talking about. I play Nurse & Freddy mostly. I am from EU and there is a spanish Team called RNIN, i went against them on Dead Dawg Saloon. First i checked the ppls profiles, to confirm it was 4 man SWF from the tournament Team RNIN and it was. So i decided to play my sweatiest build on Nurse, which consist of: Shadowborn: more field of view is a must since 2016 for me on nurse c: Ruin: make sure if i keep them busy that the gens are regressing BBC: good information to where everybody is. Agitation: to carry them away from gens as far as possible, also sometimes it happens that they dont know you have it, running in front of, which didnt happen that game. I also never played with Addons, but i decided to use some this game. So i used the recovery Addon for blinks (yellow) and the brown addon that makes the screaming and groaning louder when they get hit. I ended up getting them all after 25 fucking minutes. 1 gen was left and ruin was broken on 3 gens left. So i agree if you are not a really experienced good nurse/spirit, you wont stand a chance.
@@Jurinko wdym isnt a clan nearly the same as a team, except a clan is bigger. What is this discussion. I saw them playing on a tournament, a small one tho ^^
They finally found a game that they’re good at so they try to take it to a competitive level despite all the rng that goes against what a competitive game should be. These are the people who put playing the game efficiently above playing the game with friends that they actually get along with and have fun playing with. I also talked to someone who said that they only have fun when they’re winning and they think the game is competitive
They don't want to just win the game, they want to dominate the game (and the person they are playing against) It's definitely a power trip more than anything else
i don’t have a tournament squad cause most of the people i play with personally are good but not at my skill level as i’ve been playing dbd for a very very long time but i can still answer your question by saying the reason squads of very skilled players like stomping the killer is because it’s satisfying to loop the killer and do risky shut near him that’s why i think skilled squads do what they do
I'm someone who used to be like what you describe in the video. I always played the most unfair builds and always won, every single time, even if depiping, on everygame. I just was depressed in real life and it was a way to take it out in the game. Now I'm still depressed but I don't treat the game like it's a constant tournament haha.
I'm pretty sure those squads exist, because for them, 4 outing consistently is probably secondary or rather a bonus. If I had to guess, those players really just live for chases, which they will lose every now and then. Be it because of the map or just a lost mindgame. And here comes the rest of the squad into play. They just want to make sure they won't get farmed or left on hook. In addition to that, it's fairly common for people of similar skilllevels to gather, play together and have discussions. It's hard to discuss game related stuff with someone that is clearly not even close to your skill level, because they just won't understand the game the way you do, since games usually play a lot different on different skill levels. Also guessing the reason why you don't see them that often is, because they are indeed not feeling like playing 4 man swf ALL the time and if they solo/duo, they probably change their name to not get dodged. And recognizing a solo as a top player is usually less stuck in your head, because killers can actually win those games much much more easily. I should add, I've never really seen any of those squads intentionally die on hook, simply to depip the killer.
The Problem with Sweat squads is that they don´t even notice when they are sweating. Like seriously, the amount of times I got called sweaty killer when I faced an even more sweaty survivor team is mindblowing. You know when they do everything time efficient and I don´t really have time to hook everyone that they are sweatin. And in the end game screen DS, Unbreakable, Borrowed and DH, a normal lvl survivor would not use those perks as optimal as possible. When I have to play dirty to not lose, it shows that either Survivor is piss easy or survivors are playing sweaty without them even knowing they do it. Especially the teams that drop map offerings. The mistakes killers do is, they try to play nice. They don´t slug, they don´t tunnel off the weakest link and that will make them lose against a good survivor, with hook rotation. Against a good survivor team if you as a killer not going out of your way to get one person on death hook as fast as possible, they will just trade hooks. Its a flaw in the game, that has to be aknowledged, when the killer plays to survivor rules, he will lose 90% of his games against super optimal survivor teams. And as long as survivor have that much too say in the forums on the reddit and devs listen to them. That won´t change, Killer mains or killer players in general have to understand that they have to play like a friggin killer to not lose,( lose is getting less than 3k) You can say sweaty killers exist, because thats literally the only way to beat even half decent survivor teams. As Killers have to catch up on mistakes survivors do. And they won´t do mistakes if you let the survivors decide how to play the game. If you force them off, their general route of replaying the mechanics over and over. By starting to slug or tunnel a specific survivor, you put alot of pressure on exactly that survivor team, so they can´t play normal anymore and they have to adapt to you. And even then they will get the gens done, because every chase you do, is almost 1 gen completed anyway. Also about that sweaty player argument, casual survivors that just play for fun(still running the small PP build). Call a good killer sweaty because against no brain survivors killer is pretty easy. They make mistakes without you having to bait them to make mistakes. So you can easily go ahead that way. But against really good optimal playing survivors, you can´t catch up. You have to play according to the situation and have to prioritize specific targets and your goal is to get them out of the game as fast a possible. And even then a killer has a hard time of actually winning that, even if he plays dirty af. And thats with a good killer like Freddy, Spirit, Nurse, Oni etc. Try that with a weaker killer and you get burn out from thinking so much ahead. The issue with DBD is that the devs balance the game for a fun aspect, but fun in its definition is related to whatever an individual would describe as fun. For Survivor fun often means, to have the power role, thats why its mostly swf bully squads with map offerings, keys etc. No one has fun when he has no chance, but thats how killer feel on Tournament lvl. Others want to challenge themselves to improve in the hardest situations and want to work on ther skill to mastering a certain killer or mastering a specific part of the game, using weaker perks to not rely on it etc. Those ppl that want to challenge themselves however can´t complain about other players using the strongest, sweatiest perk setup possible. And then there are the chilled players, that just want to play a few games of DBD to maybe calm down from a stressful work day. Those players then get unlucky and face those players that want to challenge themselves playing on the best lvl possible. So yeah fun is pretty inacurate to balance around. The reason for Sweat squads is that ppl want to win. And some ppl go so far to break something by exploiting a system that in its core is the issue for most of the problems DBD has.
"I promise you are not going against these squads every day" My experience at red ranks taught me a lot of things: 8/10 times you get a toxic/sweaty squads.( and by that, I don't mean by flashlight saves, pallet saves, etc. It's about end-game chat, screaming that you are a fucking moron that you are playing killer and you can't get 3 hooks cause the map design is 99% in favor for survivors .
i used to be a part of the "sweat squad" you talking about. we were a 4 man SWF always speaking on discord and played as optimal as possible with the most boring perks usually we run DS, unbreakable, BT, Adre, or iron will. we demolished every single killer (except god nurses before she got nerfed even nurses were not a big problem) we didnt play in a torunament but we all were real rank 1s not a single weak link and i can say we escaped pretty much every game. i played with them for 3-4 month every single day for hours but then i realized how boring it was and i told them not to play Dbd anymore, not sure what happend to them. but your question is "why do you sweat so much" we didnt.. we just played the game normally. we never were like we will now destroy this killer, we never played like that. it was just the experience we had. but if you mean with sweat the perks? well yes, that could be a part of the sweat you talking about. but lets be fair here scott, 90% of killers sweat too right? and why? because they wanna win. i play solo and 90% of my games there is this killer slugging the last 2 survivor over and over again just to get a 4k.. isnt that also sweating for the 4K? The stridor spirit, the rope freddy, the insta saw billy etc i mean is it really sweating just to play the game? i think both sides have their sweaty players right? these swf you talking about just play the game to win, who plays to lose to be honest? we should look to both sides and not only the one side.
Rank 1 killer, rank 2 survivor (solo queue only) currently here. To answer your question, the difference is the maximum case. Those insane OP killer builds and moris are unfair and unfun, I agree, but they can be beaten. They will stomp solo queuers but most organized teams can have an escape or two or even three. SWF God Squads use the most powerful stall, protection, and second chance perks, and then absorb all informational perks into Discord calls through comms. These comms effectively give you another 4-12 perks worth of information across your team. That is why it's so unbeatable. You're effectively playing with several more perks. Killers can't get comms with info on survivors locations. They have to choose between info perks, gen regress perks, and chase perks, etc. To answer your slugging remark, that's a rank system issue. The difference between a hatch escape and a 4k is very, VERY often the difference between a pip and no pip (or double pip). Not to mention, in my opinion, killer requires much more consistent gameplay, is much more stressful, and is significantly more punishing for mistakes. It feels bad when the survivors complete 3 gens in the game and someone escapes through hatch so you dont pip or double pip.
@@captrobgames2223 i dont disagree with you mate, i also play killer on rank 1 and i now how unbalanced the game can be against 4 optimal survivor and they dont even need to be on comms. i played a lot against sweaty squads. that is exactly the reason why i stopped playing with my old swf buddys. this game isnt balanced for that. dbd has a lot issues, A LOT! for both sides. but i dont blame people to "sweat" because devs makes it happen that Killer suffer against cordinated 4 mans or survivors who play against a stridor spirit without coms. and now they implemented a new MMR system as if that will solve anything. i just took a break from dbd 2 days ago because its just unfun to play with killer/survivor. thanks for the respond buddy, have a great day/ night.
The most likely reason is simply the fact that they enjoy crushing someone completely and feeding off their opponents frustration. Just like trolls, they play specifically to piss off other players b/c it puts them in a utterly hopeless situation; either take the L and ignore the taunts and jeers, or react with any degree of emotion and get laughed at for being salty. At that point they have completely dominated their opponent, not only in terms of skill but also enjoyment. They can get everything they want and leave the killer with nothing, not even the chance to enjoy the game. It’s a twisted but gratifying experience for them.
Same reason in magic players play like super strict and serious at local Friday night casual games. It’s an ego thing usually very rarely is it practice. It’s the idea of being able to say you can beat anyone whether in or out of the setting
This is something i have thought recently. I have been attempting to win 25 pyramid head matches consecutively - just a personal challenge. And ive encountered 3 different squads that run like this. In the first 1.5 minutes, 3 gens popped. I got to chase 2 different people. Got 5 hooks. And the game was over within 5-6 ish minutes. I got called boring at the end of it all. And it didnt make sense how I was boring when 2 of the players made a choice to hold m1 on gens the whole game.
Trapper changes suggestions to the idea review video: 1 allowns the trapper to now carry 3 bear traps at base. 2 Change the escape time to no longer be RNG but instead,be a 5,75 seconds time. 3 Increase the rescue time to 3 seconds. 4 Injured survivors go the dying state when they free themselves from a bear trap. 5 Once a bear trap is instaled,it cannot be detected by any perks,items or addons for 60 seconds. 6 Change some of his addons to be in line with this changes.
This video is a pure condensed trauma of the Quentin that spun him
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That Quentin was a 1 man sweat squad 👌🏻
Lmao
I hope this meme never dies
As a solo que who dies every game to make sure the random rank 20 meg lives, I also don't know.
Hook me freddy...
Hook me like one of your megheads...
not all heroes wear capes
This is my favourite goal every game.
I am that rando Meg and I appreciate you so much lol
But then you find out it was actually a red rank meg playing like a rank 20.
Scott: “why do you sweat squads exist?”
Sweat squads: “GG EZ baby killer.”
Gg pos
i play like this but have never said that
There's try hard in EVERY game..... even try hard's in fall guys...
@@novadantes4850 excuse me WHAT?
@@novadantes4850 there's tryhards in fucking among us
As someone who used to study game design and development in college, one of the biggest things I learned from those classes is that given the opportunity, players will optimize the fun aspect out of a game in favor of whatever grants the most consistent desired outcome (which is usually "winning", however the player may define that for (insert game here)). That would be my best guess as to why these sweat squads exist. They have found a method that consistently yields their desired result and they forgot how to have fun.
That is actually a great way of putting it. I think you're exactly on point when you say that. By any chance could you give your opinions on the specific flaws in Dead by Daylight's game design? I've spent a lot of time theorizing about how they could make the game better for both sides, but I don't have any background in game design.
I think the same mentality can be applied to cheaters or griefers, the desired outcome may be different but they'll sure take the fun out of it to meet their own agenda.
It was a good way to put it until you said they forgot to have fun. I’m sure people who play like this like to play like this because it’s fun.
Psychologically its painfully obvious that people care more about winning and making others mad than they do having fun. They get artificial fun from upsetting others.
@@AverageJ03Gaming If done with the intent of making the opposition mad, I'd say the intended feeling isn't necessarily fun, but superiority. I'm not above admitting that, in TF2, when a round is ended extremely quickly with my team on top, it feels good: like something was achieved. Normally takes 2 or 3 rounds of that before I realize that the game stopped being challenging or fun and the teams need to be scrambled.
"A phrase we used on the 'Civilization' development team to describe this phenomenon is that 'water finds a crack' - meaning that any hole a player can possibly find in the game’s design will be inevitably abused over and over. The greatest danger is that once a player discovers such an exploit, she will never be able to play the game again without using it - the knowledge cannot be ignored or forgotten, even if the player wishes otherwise."
- Soren Johnson, GD Column 17: Water Finds a Crack
I like that saying, water finds a crack, it really demonstrates our ability to adapt
And this is why I play with adrenaline
@@skyfallshome6179It's why I use Spine Chill lol
@@dekudude8888 same :DD
Thats only true for about 90% of the playerbase, though.
Me and others I know of avoid those "exploits", or easy-roads.
Especially in dbd I swore to never ever use perks like Noed, Unbreakable, DS or OoO
Your hair are getting out of control, you're tryin' a cosplay of the spirit ?
i hate it so much
Facts dude gave me a giggle
@@ScottJund Epitome of bed head
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That hair is fabulous
"Why do you keep stabbing me in the back"
Because it's easy, and it does a lot of damage
flex tape cant fix that.
Happy Souls is peak human happiness
I read it exactly the way it is said in Happy Souls :D
"I just wanted the souls...."
You're gonna regret that! HA HA HAAA
I used to think I was going up against these squads on the regular, and it was so frustrating to play against. Then the one time I went to get something to drink while I was in queue, I come back at 15 seconds and see them. Check their profiles, 9k+ hours each, toolkits, they have the one OoO scout that does immaculate looping, never falls for mind games, and each chase with anyone else was much longer than needed to be since the OoO was always there making sure I either had to chase him, or I had to end up relying on bloodlust to get hits in. It was honestly one of the absolutely most miserable experiences I've had in gaming overall.
On the plus side, I don't think the regular 4 man swf is that bad anymore.
i remember otz playing against squad like this and he, in fact, destroyed them but it was such a hard match and he had to play really scummy. i think its on yt
@@eno9430 he knew what he was going to face, and he brought blind add ons on freddy to counter OoO.
I faced half of a tournanent team once (just 2 players), i was memeing with bubba, they told me i was garbage at the end of the game xd
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It was on his YT.
That was the first time I'd ever seen survivors so optimal. I was in awe.
They still lost, but it was like wow!
Most 4 man swfs that are pretty experienced, given a decent map, will crush your average killer. 4 man’s are still a problem, unfortunately.
to be fair i also run OoO from time to time and im pretty hard to catch, that doesnt mean im in a tournament squad, sometimes the killer cant apply pressure and the gens fly and afterwards he said " fuking tryhard swf " well yea look at my perks i have bond, would i use that in swf? a Nancy with spine chill 2 and self care 1, sure these people are sweating xD.
its often just an excuse as to why they failed to win and i see that so often, they persist its an swf even if its obvious they are not.
tournament squads are really rare and killer need to realize that.
i once played with doctor on red forest against a bully-squad, got them all killed with 10 hooks, sure they were cocky and disrespectful but they werent tournament people, they just have fun at being the power role
This is exactly how solo queue players feel about killers (like for example) who bring ebony mori's on spirit with old prayer beads and mother daughter ring - it's technically allowed but it's very much overkill and no fun for any other party involved.
Agree on that front as well
Stress relief. After getting bodied by a sweaty swf team I need something to calm me down and not feel like a utter failure, so I use mori and ultra rare add ons because of that( its either this or punching the nearest wall lol)
@@Snyphurr. haha, I totally get where you're coming from but it's very much an "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" kinda situation where as a community we're just going to experience a net happiness loss. Hopefully the developers can try to reduce the gap between killers, solo queue, and these 4-man swf squads.
@@Snyphurr. Or you could think of it as a game, realize you took an L, and move on. Play a killer you enjoy or do something meme. I have given up getting mad at this game. Horrible people (both killer and survivor) are going to be horrible, but you won't face them every game. So take that L and move on, i'm sure almost immediately you'll run into a team of rank 20 megheads and you will literally have to try to lose
Anytime I’m going against a sweat toxic swf I just run bubba and face camp secure the kill and afk if they wanna try and ruin my fun I can do the same :p
As bad as it sounds, domination. Regardless of if they’re petty or unfulfilled people in real life, there is always at least a slight intoxication with being in control and dominating others, no matter who you are. It’s just a primeval human trait which DbD can satiate quite nicely.
The domination feeling oddly wonderful, never thought about it but this is it. Being toxic really feels good.
Sounds extremely hot please hmu
yea it seems like a valid argument for playing sweaty a few times but doing it always?? like dont they get bored of 3min long matches where nothing happens cause, lets be real, good killers aint that common
I don't think it could be said any better, people like control, control is power and power is gooooooooood.
@@eno9430 They play for the the same reason cheaters does, just to make sure they dominate everyone and smash them like insects.
All I saw was "Why do you exist" for my notification and honestly I think it make me click faster
Sweat squad: "haha we let people die so you depip baby killer"
Me: "jokes on you I want to depip"
Jokes on you i'm into that shit!
So, I've been asking everyone I can this question since I picked up the game a few months ago: What is the actual point of Rank? It doesn't come with any extra rewards, it apparently doesn't affect Matchmaking, but everyone seems to take it super seriously like it's this majorly important thing to have. So what is the actual point of Rank?
@@matthewthiessen2173 It does impact matchmaking but there is absolutely no point in trying to rank up. I strongly advise you to just focus on having fun.
@@matthewthiessen2173 It's supposed to be an indication of skill and is supposed to be used for matchmaking, but it is poorly implemented. On top of that, since this is a very casual game, (you can't ever convince me this is a competitive game, it's based off of kids playground games after all) all a high rank does for you is throw you in games with people who take this game way too seriously, and thus take all the fun away.
@@Th3RunnerUp I have no need to convince you it's a competitive game but as killer when you go against a really strong 10000+ hour swf, using stretched screen all on comms optimizing every loop to its full potential, you start to feel like this game is competitive
Scott, would you be willing to post a game going against one of these squads (cutting out all names if you want) to allow people to discern a good SWF vs a sweaty SWF. Many people don't know what a top tier team looks like and can only relate to you by what they've experienced. Showing the unfun nature of these teams and the tactics used may help people sympathize with your argument and realize that the teams they verse are not on the same plane. Additionally, for people who don't know what very high level looping looks, truetalent recently posted a game titled "What 4 SWF High MMR Will Look Like." It's a decent example of great players, but not to the level that Scott is talking about.
I'm not sure I've seen Scott go against any (not that I've even seen most of his games) but Otzdarva has a video where he does. ruclips.net/video/q5uUUAz7m1U/видео.html granted he brought a build to counter it so it was a fair fight but this is how they play.
@@gabrielphillips5338 This is exactly what I thought of
the sweat teams will split on 3 gens and end the match instantly. going against them is basically accepting defeat but also being bewildered at the level they're playing on.
That tru3 vid is massive clickbait though. The game was pretty much over after 6 minutes (and he won, getting away with tons of mistakes)... The claudette wasn’t even doing gens, the two last survs were just trying to have fun looping the killer, and tru3 made too many misplays in chase that could’ve been hard punished
@@ChillyBillyBurnFire1 That's fair, he did make numerous mistakes. That doesn't take away from the fact that the players were very experienced and knew how to capitalize on True's mistakes and poorish pathing most of the time. I just threw that video into my original comment to provide an example for people that didn't know how high the skill ceiling is for this game.
Got into a conversation with a sweat squad member before, and that particular one I was talking to was convinced that the game was 100% fair versus them if the killer was playing an A tier killer or above (hillbilly, huntress, etc). After a while of talking, he admitted that while he did find those matches to be fair for the killer, he found it even more fun to bully people playing killer's like wraith and trapper because it felt good to just obliterate people who think they can "change the meta" and try something outside of the box. It made him sorta mad that anyone would try to play anything besides Nurse/Billy/Huntress because those are the only "skillful" killers and killers playing low-tier killers were just being lazy because low tier killers are usually easy to play.
So basically a sad person that doesn't understand what fun is
And that's exactly how it should be. For every "bubba is underrated" and "all killers are viable" lying content creator we need a sweat squad pounding their viewers into the dirt until they get what a true joke the game is
HellFire Lmao if this game was balanced competitively, it would die in a month because new survivors would just be roflstomped forever.
I don't say i agree with that person, but it is quite true that it's really easy to understand and use m1 killers, which makes them easier to be read and in the end, weaker, while billy or nurse have a completely separate learning curve you don't get adapted to as quickly. As a person who plays a lot with tournament level players, it is more fun to figure out how to play against a good nurse thar can apply pressure on us, than it is against some poor insidious bubba. Very little of these people actually want to bully anyone though
Thats the most backwards logic in a video game I've seen since the overwatch community threw a fit because blizzard implemented a strait character
Love the Jordan analogy. I had The Last Dance on in the background while watching you get spun yesterday lol
People will speak of the basement stairs spin for years to come LMAO
I can't understand why a sweat squad would want to essentially dominate and bully killers with no chance of winning. However, what I do understand is having a tryhard 4 man SWF trying to do specific challenges like escapes in a row, never getting hooked, or stuff like working on better communication without having a 5th player to do KYF. I personally want a sweaty tryhard team just to be able to do fun challenges like that, because it's fun challenging myself or with the team. Take the challenges away and like you said, you are basically just playing a cutscene, over and over again.
Yea, at least the survivors in that circumstance have a goal that isnt to ruin the killers day
It’s still a form of domination though. The main complaint with SWF is that when you go against one, the game is more in your favor as often becomes unplayable for killers. Even the best killers in the community can’t come to par with SWF. Just like survivors complain about boring maps, boring killers, etc. Constantly going against SWF groups who do 3 gens in under 4 minutes, run the meta perks, bring keys, etc. gets boring and frustrating. That’s why you don’t see many red ranked killers anymore because it’s goddamn frustrating. SWF groups ALWAYS have the upper hand and you cannot deny that.
@Xela Flow they give themselves challenges, they dont necessarily want to ruin the killer's day, and they do, they didnt set out to do it. And those challenges may even be outside of escaping or anything - and they also may not necessarily succeed on doing so. Maybe the challenge is some shit to do with no mither or mettle of man or something idk. I'm not good enough as survivor to be able to do these things
@Xela Flow again, idk because I dont do this shit because im not good enough. My point is that they dont necessarily wish to ruin the killers day game in game out by doing the same thing every time
Stop watching and start uploading already
I would honestly love to see more Tournament-Level DbD gameplay, with restrictions and limitations to make the playing field more even. I had a blast watching Otz's tournament game analysis, and high-level DbD play is really engaging to watch. High-Level play of any game really is super engaging to watch
Depip Squads are nothing like that though. It's just bullying and a complete waste of time for both sides
BragginRights on twitch hosts tourneys monthly with the next one in Aug/2nd . Im in it , come along!
@@chainblink7981 Oh, dope! I'll try to remember to check it out
No, you wouldn't. Restrictions and limitations make the matches feel really boring to watch.
They're pretty fun .
What game did otz analyize? Can I get a link?
I understand why, but its still kinda funny to compare this to DS3 Scott Metamancer Jund
hey im allowed to grow
Man I love the fuck out of your NTD videos for dank souls 3. If the rumors are true and bloodborne comes to PC, are you going to being doing PVP vids on that?
@@Upsetkiller456 bloodborne PvP :wheeze:
That quentin did more than spin your Myers
He's spun *you* into a spiral of madness.
Getting spun happens. I've been spun and dumbfounded by a player here and there and always say "GG. I should've stopped chasing you after the 4th 360 in a row lol" all killers get it done to them. It happens on his stream and this is section is FULL of trolls pointing it out like it hasn't happened to them. And if you say it hasn't, you're 100% lying
@@LesMoore6 dude it's a joke
@@LesMoore6 Look at this doood.
OH NO NO NO NO
OHOHOOOO
"Wouldn't it be funny if we all brought brand new parts?"
I’ve always wondered this myself, having quick matches suck balls. Sweaty teams try to escape ASAP and get shit for points, I love having good length matches so everyone can get 20k+ points
Ye thats good and i’m the same but technically the longer a game pans out the less chance the survivors have at getting out
I personally don’t like giving the killer more time to be able to read me. I know it’s up to me to keep the killer guessing, but spending more time in chase gives him more time to read my play style. To a certain point, i get exhausted trying to outplay the killers idea of how to outplay me.
I was playing huntress once and hook everyone 2 times and only killed one of them, but It was one of the most Fun games for me, for both sides I think. Everyone got 20k points
I have never been in one of this squads but it's really simple: Some people don't want to lose at literally anything and will tryhard at literally every kind of competition (which includes any kind of pvp game, even if casual) regardless of anything else (like fun or if it is predetermined) they exclusively do not want to lose, ever.
“Ebony mori nurse”
Otzdarva: *laughs in Freddy god*
Are you referring to the group he used the blindness add-on against? Because if so, I love you.
silentcalling yes, yes i am.
Edit: and I love you too senpai-kun
silentcalling That video was so much fun to watch
I respect the reference random th1ngs
Shit I wanna see that. Any link? Or date? Anything :(?
Scott gets spun
Scott the next day: Why do sweat squads exist?
same. i stopped playing spirit a while ago it got to the point where i didn’t even have break pallets to win lmao
breaking pallets is just a waste of time on spirit and nurse.
@@brunosouza3326 I'd say the really safe pallets are worth breaking since it takes so long to phase to the other side. Like the ones by the bathroom on The Game.
@@Kezsora Get the reappearance movement speed addons and uncloak at the halfway point of the pallet loop. You'll hit them no matter what.
@@DumpsterBuzzard I think you misread the killer we were talking about.
@@Kezsora The wakizashi addon and I forget the name of the other
Scott looks like he’s trying to stay up so Freddy doesn’t get him.
Channeling that quentin's soul lol
I can totally sympathize with people who solo que, as I am a person who plays both sides and have no friends so enjoy this game as much as I do (seriously. I try to get my friends to play and all they do is complain about the queue times and beg to Olay something else. Plus, they’re rank 20s so I’m essentially solo queueing playing with them anyway). But, people can’t say that SWF isn’t overpowered. You have constant communication on your side and in a game like this, communication is the most powerful thing someone can have.
“Where’s the killer?”
“They’re chasing me, finish the gen! Oh wait, they’re going back to the gen, hide!”
“The killer just placed a trap there”
“They’re face camping me”
“I have BT/DS/Unbreakable/Head on/any other game disrupting perk”
That’s complete advantage. Something I do like about solo queueing is the complete unpredictability of the outcome. Yes, it’s nice to win, but just like killers have to accept they’re not going to win all the time, survivors should too. And solo queueing actually helped me learn how to play better. It helped me learn how to run a killer around while my teammates do gens, or how to counter a campy, tunneling killer.
Hey same
Maybe we can play together
What platform do you play on?
thezombiesslayer I’m a whole month late, buuuuutt cross play is a thing now :) I play on console
thezombiesslayer also, I apologize for the late reply! Idk why RUclips only gives me some notifications for certain comments I make. I rarely ever get notifs for comment replies, only likes
The reason we did it almost 3 years ago as you should well know was to show bhvr that their game has an issue in the core of the game (the survivor objective). Everyone (except Baefu) in the original depip squad from me to spud to marth was a killer main infact. Unfortunately, BHVR antagonized us to the point where they never truly gave us an official answer and one of their Community managers actually changed a rule in the finals of the official tournament to make us lose and then didn't even took responsibility for it so that the blame went to the Space Esport org.
In the end, all we achieved is that we pretty much made this optimal meta for survivors to always win vs killers while instead, what we wanted was from bhvr to see how stupid the game is if only survivors tryed seriously to do what the game requires them to do. Gens and get out.
Scott. Instead of blaming the players you first as a streamer and a pillar of this community have the responsibility to blame who deserves to be blamed. And is not the player who play optimally:
This game is very simple. If you are a survivor you got to survive. If you are a killer you got to kill. If you belive your way of playing the game is the right one you are wrong and you are part of the problem why the devs belive that their "statistics" are correct.
If survivors never try hard just because is "boring" how can the devs ever balance. Then we got those "yep freddy need a nerf he is at 2.1 kill per game" arguments from bhvr... and everyone always forget to tell the other side of the story: The gens are such an easy and boring objective that survivors literally prefer to die than doing them. Frankly you should thanks the sweaty teams. They play the game and if everyone played like that bhvr would probably balance more competitively (and killers would be funnier to play as they would be much stronger than what they are now).
If everyone played like the sweaty teams maybe rank would mean something as only survivors who try hard to escape would climb.
I hope I didn't sound to harsh Scott but belive me from the tone of your video you needed it to understand a bit better the battle for balance we fought vs bhvr.
none care about those statistics or the actual balance of the game, people just wanna have fun. So yeah I'm gonna blame the devs for the balance but also the people abusing the "holes" in the game.
@@lemaitredutemp The devs balance the game around those statistics they showed them multiple times in their streams as a justification for their actions.
The biggest example is mentioned in my comment already it was when the devs showed freddy kill ratio as they were nerfing him... even if release freddy was the weakest killer on release ever made.
Also the devs do care about the actual balance when it comes down to the "majority" (survivors) having fun: So why do the devs nerfed release freddy because rank 20s couldn't play against him yet they nerfed the nurse who has always been the killer with the lowest kill ratio? (as the majority of players can't play her).
The answer is simple: They don't want to publicly say "We balance the game so that in the majority of the games the majority of the players (survivors) have fun at the expense of 1 killer", and here comes the bhvr inconsistencies: they use those stats as a justification when they can, otherwise they just say we balance around people having fun.
Also why do you (as bhvr) belive that more balance = less fun? if anything the opposite is true (even I remember more fondly close games compared to utter killer stromps). Look at the state of the game now. If you play survivor you have to deal in both eu and na queue with with 4-5 mins of lobby simulator per game, still if you queue as killer you instantly find a game, that by itself speaks volumes about the current balance and what people think about it.
@@sionsion1991 As far as I can tell, the DBD devs are very similar to Warframe's developers. IE: None of them actually play the game, and dont care enough about the game to do so either. They just want to make as much money as possible before people realize that they don't give a shit.
The sweat is on either side. Just more survivor sided. Not getting rank one and holding it, not sweating.
The funny thing is that these sweat squads are the ones who will complain about the game being boring
As someone who went against a tournament squad in a scrimmage, I now am grateful for all my games.
What happened?
@@feelsweird_dude im guessing he got touched
@@feelsweird_dude They were really fucking hard to go against, they absolutely decimated me and I basically had to rely on powerful killers to even do well.
Travis Stockton Yeah I’ve tried watching some tournaments but man most of the players seem really damn average
I loop better than half the people in tournaments.. don't even bother watching it.
i got one of those in a lobby once. Never clicked leave so fast in my life.
Should of waited for the match to load and DC 😂
If I were to guess, I think it can be explained by Bartle's taxonomy, ironically those kinds of people are known as "killers" on that graph, and it's the intense level of killer who operate on the ability to hunt and hurt other players. Ganking, griefing, etc. The 4 man sweat squad gives them an insanely unbalanced power over the other side, it's a joy of winning when it comes at the expense of someone else, even if there was basically no competition. It may be a similar effect to just staring at a paper that says "You win" for all the effort it takes, but they get joy from knowing that there is someone on the other side that they made a bad experience for.
It's a similar kind of people that get pleasure from making a worse experience for someone else, whether that's cheating, hacking, griefing, all those kinds of things that swing the power dynamic in their favor.
That's a pretty good answer. I've been reading the comments and one person explained they're "toxic for fun." Guess they're just missing some sympathy?
This is also a pretty good answer.
Yea that's quite a good point. I imagine they feel superior since if the DbD Killer asks them why they sweat then they can just lie back on the tried and true mindset of "just trying to win lul" to avoid any honest criticism.
@@ab-zj4kr lol true, and yet, a chuck of this game's player base is exactly like what was described in OP comment, so what does that tell you xd.
"You're playing a cutscene."
What a great way to put it.
It's called "WAC" in other mediums. "Win at all costs". Their desire to win trumps their desire to have fun.
Or WAAC.
I'm beginning to see a pattern after Scoots got spun by a gremlin
From my point of view there is only 2 ways you could have fun playing like that:
- Make the killer mad, because playing like that is the most annoying shit you can do, even clicky clicky flashlights are more entertaining.
- This is the only game they are really good at, if they are this competitive and are just as good in another game with a competitive scene they wouldn't be playing this game.
Even if you are playing to get better, I dont see the point even if you are rank 1 the skill disparity between players and killers is so monumental, the point of playing competitively is to play against similar skilled opponents, and trying to fix your mistakes but in this game playing like that is 99% just stomping the killer and you learn nothing.
While I do believe some play to win, others just play for the other side to lose, their enjoyment comes from the lack of enjoyment that the killer is experiencing.
If you know any more reasons I would love to know :)
Option 1 is more likely, they are sadistic people who enjoy torturing strangers and they've found other sadistic people who enjoy the same thing. You can experience the majority of the game in like 300 hours max, when it gets 9k hours... they don't find the actual game fun anymore, just the act of torture they inflict onto others.
@@maggotthemadman8142 I dont have anything against them being competitive in this game, if they want to play like just Scrim/KYF all day going on public lobbies doesnt to any good on both sides
We play like this cause fuck the killer lol
I think its just a huge ego boost and trying to live a dream of being a professional grade tournament player. but like you've said time and time again, DBD relies to heavily on rng to ever be taken so seriously.
It's also a game with it's core design being a highly social game. "Winning" is only possible if everybody has fun.
these free talk videos are really good, you should def keep doing them. its really easy to consume and binge watch
Jund: Gets Spun
Also Scott: Survivor Sweat squads
I think most people have rarely encountered a tournament squad, but I'm sure most people have felt the pain of a sweaty 4-man finishing a generator in 20~ seconds and you've barely placed two bear traps.
There's money and fame. That's how it's been since the beginning. I use to be apart of the comp scene (was one of the founders of ID) and what motivated us was overcoming other good teams, gaining bank, and fame as well. It's nice being known as great players in the community. Now I just help out with a comp league. Being apart of a team was like being in a family, so that also plays a large part.
Thing is we can't always play against other equally skilled players (I'm just a killer) so we swf and go into pubs. Just us wanting to play the game. There's satisfaction in doing what you can to win, that's all I can really say.
It’s DBD, they’re not getting money OR fame off of this 😂
@@Kro-RissaVirus You'd be surprised. hexy is hosting a $15k+ tournament in september. The highest I ever won when I was apart of the team was a $750 tourney.
There's a lot more to the community than you may realise.
@@samtar2756 discords, paulie esther is a pretty good youtuber that host a 1500$ tourney right now, you can even find on dbd forums people hosting it
@@samtar2756 A good starting point would be to join the DBD league and try to join\form a team. It's a large community and the staff are very friendly (I am one!). They mainly operate on a Discord server. Come join us!
discord.gg/JmtZzgP
I remember once I said to myself "Let's try to play killer!". I queue up as Ghostface. I get in the lobby.
4 Feng Min, all named "One of the boys", all with the same cosmetics, all with a flashlight.
There, I realized... it was too late.
I get into the match, nervous and scared. As a survivor main that sucks at playing killer, I try to make the most out of my power, to no avail.
The only chase I manage to down one of them, as I pick them up two of the others come out from behind a wall and blind me.
It lasted maybe 3 minutes, but it was the most horrible and humiliating experience in my whole gaming experience (and I play league of legends pretty regularly so I pride myself as a connoisseur of "feeling miserable").
And you know what? It was amazing. As the match ended, I was laughing my ass off. I personally think a lot of the times we forget that multiplayer games are, when you boil it down, social environments. And in social environments, there are such people that like to behave in certain ways.
Now, in that match, I learned a lot of stuff that has been very useful, both for playing survivor and killer.
And I think we forget too often that there will always be people better than us, smarter than us, more efficient than us.
Are those people playing in a not-fun way? To you, maybe, but for them *that* is fun. I treated my experience as just that, experience. And I tried to make the most out of it.
If you want to unplug from real life and relax and have an EZ win... you should not play multiplayer games.
Multiplayer PVP games are for people who just had a good 9 hours of sleep night, got up, had a coffee or whatever, and are ready to kick ass and chew bubblegum. And also ready for a healthy dose of bm and "gg EZ".
But if you love the game and the content the game provides, you have to accept that other people like and have fun playing in a different way than you. And if you only have fun winning... ok maybe you have a problem, but you can't say you don't understand them.
And hey, there's always next match.
Literally the equivalent of “Kanye West plays basketball against wheelchair team. Wins 106-0.
Have you seen wheelchair basketball? Those people fucking slam dude lmao
Thank you for mentioning that these groups aren't nearly as common as people say. Twitch streamers get flashlight saved once and immediately jump to "I cannot believe I am going against a 4 man bully team with comms" lol. It's definitely a real thing, and it's annoying when it happens, but they're far from frequent.
"Organized" teams are still an issue, a dedicated "runner" kind of warrants the game adding a stamina mechanic that makes survivors that max out of chase points start moving slower and slower until they're easy to catch. The goal of a survivor should be to _escape_ the killer, I've seen these players depip by being the chase magnet all game since they don't get a single objective, they'll not accrue altruism while being chased and rarely is their boldness high enough to compensate unless they are... well a bad looper.
Though I've seen them on streams, a looper, a genner, a totem smasher, and a healer. At the end game screen they depip... but truely if it detects a pattern of not prioritizing points their only rewards should be longer queues, or thrown to rank one killers despite not being high rank.
The dopamine from streamrolling someone else in a videogame is something you can get hooked on easily
Alternatively...
Killers who run double ultra-rare addons with an ebony mori and end matches in 4 minutes without even trying: Why Do You Exist?
Sorry, Scott, but anything you've got to say as a killer no longer counts ever since The Quentin Incident.
As for why, well, there is direct pleasure to be taken in making someone angry with your buddies. E-bullying, welcome to 2020.
What is the quentin incident?
eggman26 - he got 360d by a Quentin
The only complaint I have is that survivors commonly disconnect and ruin the game, if the killer gets momentum early on. However if the survivors run circles around the killer, they also get toxic and flame the killer player at the end of the match. Meanwhile killers don't typically disconnect. I play both survivor and killer, and see this every day.
haha. unlisted video go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I guess a good way to look at it is it's a similar reason as to why people speedrun games. It's basically just them doing the same thing over and over and getting a guaranteed win, just like with these sweat squads, but it's about perfecting your own skills and potentially outplaying the game developers' glitch patches.
As a killer main I usually get these squads like once a month.
That seems to be the standard rate for me as well
@@ScottJund Only if we have played much. I think I have only 1 so far which is like between a normal swf and a tournament squad.
I haven't gotten them, are they only on pc
@@tonyiscool8334 I play on ps4
I had one the other day they did all the gens in 6 minutes and I couldn’t hook anyone. I thought they only existed at red ranks
Don’t play killer after the sun sets, that’s when the sweat goblins come out to play
Not sure if you're in a diffrent time zone, but it's the exact opposite. I'm rank 3 (1 before reset) and I find good efficient survivors and 3-4 SFWs in the afternoon. When I play at 10:00-1:00 it's like 4 rank 9-10s, feels like I turned on MMR.
Never play survivor past 2 a.m if you want to just have fun. Trust me
I would love them to disable swf for a day because I'd love to hear the excuses from the killers that blame every loss on a swf when it probably wasn't lol
or the devs could try to not be lazy, and just implement some visual feedback at the end game screen, where you can see who was paired with who. Then people can't pretend they are not swf, and killers can't say someone was swf when they were not.
Just don't show who is swf before a match, because killers would leave the game if they knew they were going against 3-4 man squads
@@fakeest yeah I've been saying for a while they should have something in the post game. I genuinely think swf gets blamed waaaaay too much and even then not all swfs are sweat squads. But yeah on the other side, like you said, people can't pretend they're not and they definitely shouldn't have it before game lol
@@fakeest imagine the dbd devs actually putting effort into the game instead of not giving a shit ever
boy that'd be fun
too bad it'll never happen cause dbd devs
@@fusrosandvich3738 yeah I've pretty much quit dbd. I come back now and then because it's fun to swf, but man do I dislike the dev team. One of the worst, if not the worst dev team I've experienced
The answer is the same as to the question "why Bubba camp with insidius" - "I want to win". Perhaps this is also reinforced by a hurt sense of justice. "I met a toxic killer / survivor, so I subconsciously want to make the next person I get to suffer." Also, for me personally, this is due to the feeling that I defeat the "monster" as a hero. Any sane person associates the words "killer maniac" with something terrible, absolutely wrong. DBD elevates this principle to the absolute, because there, you take on the role of a victim. A survivor that was unfairly thrown into hell with no way to harm or take revenge on the offender. This also subconsciously awakens the desire to win, to destroy the tormentor at any cost. Even if we intellectually understand that behind the screen there is only a person who just wants to have a good evening.
I play swf because it's more fun, but we legit get called sweats when we half-ass games and talk about CBT while getting chased, like I feel it's just being swf that annoys some killer mains, not even being super good.
as a Killer: Yup. 4-man SWF’s are significantly more difficult to go against. Even 4man’s that are just a bunch of friends fucking around get tons more info than they normally would just from their buddy going “oh shit i’m being chased”, or “i’m gonna go for the save”. Less experienced Killers see that coordination and information exchange happen and assume you’re trying to sweat, because they can’t tell the difference between that and the *actual* “sweat squads”.
not saying you shouldn’t 4-man swf or anything, but that’s why that happens.
@@SwansingerLJG Yeah of course we call out if the killer is on us or we see the killer go somewhere but it's not actually trying hard. It's just so annoying when the killers take no responsibility and just throw out the ''sweaty survivors'' card. I get your point of course, and agree.
It’s also annoying when Survivors call me a camper/tunneler when i’m not doing it. it’s unfortunately just kinda part of asymmetric games - the other side can’t see your perspective, and just assume you’re playing like an ass because that’s easier to rationalize than them just losing.
Cock and ball torture??😂
@@SwansingerLJG It's always the players who only play one side. Like when I play killer and I won't camp at all, but during endgame you can't really do much except patrol the hook you get called a camper. People just need to understand both sides of the coin.
I’m fairly certain that this comment will drown, but I can’t stress enough how much I enjoy just listening to you talk :’)
My best guess is that some people just like winning. That's their satisfaction.
I say it’s the only the thing they have to be accomplished of in life because those people had average grades and work average paying jobs, so they think that doing this makes them very cool.
I met a "budget version" of these type of squads, they were only 3.
They had a team tag in front of their names
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And ran only prestige 3 Claudettes, All 3 offerings were Yamaoka Estate.
For items they all had crap medpacks with Bottled Time.
Perks were obviously UB, DS, Adrenaline and BT (I believe one of them had Prove Thyself instead of BT).
They let the pug die on first hook, and during one chase in the endgame 2 of them locked me in a corner and bottled time themselves to block me for 2-3 hits while the 3rd guy opened the gate..
All this was done in about 4 mins..
My empathy goes out to that pug.. She had a Gateau as an offering :(
The answer is obvious: to win and feel good
Why does it feel good to end games within minutes it literally feels like a mini game at this point
So Resident Evil: Resistance is the capcom / RE version of this game, and yeah, sweat squads exist (they're called SWAT teams over there) and they usually just crush the killer as well, but in that game, killers can absolutely decimate solo queuers in ways that just aren't possible in dead by daylight. I enjoyed solo queueing into mid-tier killer games and carrying my team, but a lot of the time I'd run into the same 3-4 killers who would literally just delete my entire team in the first area within minutes. Problem is now, most of the killers are like that / have that ability, and unless you're part of a SWAT team, you're probably going to lose. The only response I ever got from the killer, on why they enjoyed a game where they sat in queue for longer than it took for them to win, was "I get more (iridescent shard equivalent) the faster I go through games)." Which is true for RE:R, but not DBD; they even get less bloodpoints by just pumping gens & escaping.
The truth is dbd is at its best when you dont actually play it. Kappa
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Honestly? Remove the kappa and this statement is still objectively true
Hey Scott, I’m a new subscriber and I just watched this video. Thanks btw for the „how not to be a bad killer“ tutorial, worked really good. Maybe I don’t see the difference between a tournament sweat squad and a toxic squad. From my experience at least every 20th match I have a very toxic squad that finishes all gens in like 3 minutes (at least feels like it) and they are ready to exit before I hit 2 of them.
Now that's simple. Fun. I'm not one of those players. In fact we seem to share the same idea of fun for the most part. For example, when I used to play Dota (played between 08 - 2015, wow time flies) I used to be pretty good at it, as you'd expect from someone who played the same game for 7 years. I couldn't stand picking the same hero twice in a row or making the same build for the same hero all the time. I used to random hero and make silly meme build in ranked and was about 5k mmr when the pros used to be 5.5k-6k. One day a friend asked me to see what I could do if I actually tried hard picking a hero and meta build. All I could do was pick the same hero, Tuskarr for 10 games in a row I could not play that shit for more than 10 games and won 9/10 games but that shit was so boring I rather keep my winrate of 50% at 5k mmr than grind mmr in a boring fashion.
I never understood how people could pick the same hero over and over for 1000 games in a row with the same build. Now I do, people are just different, that's all.
I feel the same way. On the opposite side, I've played League of Legends for 7, maybe 8, years as well. I used to have my favorite champions to play as, and nowadays, I can't be bothered to play the same champion more than 2-3 times in the same day unless I come up with a really stupid build that shouldn't work but does. I dabbled in Dota but I don't know if it has the same terms as League does, but in bot lane, theres ADC and support, ADC, a ranged carry. I almost never actually pick a ranged character for that role anymore. If I do, I pick a mage and build AD on them to see how well I can make it work.
League is currently having a new event going on and they're releasing a legendary skin for my favorite champion (Ahri), as well as they buffed my 2nd favorite champion (Twisted Fate). This was the first time in years that I only played two champions for an extended amount of time rather than constantly switching after a match or two. League saves your most recent 20 matches so I can't see how many I actually won because I forgot to count before it went off the match history, but I won at least 17 games in a row last week. It's crazy that I can do that, but I played the same two champions for like 20+ games in a row and was just numb by the end of the win streak. I finally lost when I got bored and built some stupid hybrid damage build.
I've been thinking about playing ranked again on League, but that would only make the problem worse as I would basically be stuck building only meta stuff cause otherwise you get reported and banned for "trolling" (League's report system is awful). The last season that I played ranked was 3 years ago and I was Silver 4, which isn't impressive at all I know, but I had an 80% win rate playing a non carry character, Singed who relies on his team to capitalize on his pressure (And low rank players don't do that very consistently). I can't imagine how much better I've gotten with 3 more years of experience and BOTH of my mains being relevant again and being in a position to actually carry games with the champions I play. But I just can't bring myself to do it, I can't play the same stuff every match and last week, that win streak just proved that to me. I have a strong urge to prove to myself that I'm a high level player in ranked but I know I would hate every moment of it. I know people are different, but I just can't wrap my head around playing the same stuff every match anymore, I used to be the same and now I just can't.
@@shadowstar2194 To be fair, if you're going to play ranked you should try your hardest to win and I don't think building AD Ryze is trying very hard
@@vi5e0gam3r5 I don't know. As I said, I don't find that fun, I align very much with Scott's idea of fun. The fact of the matter is people are different and some people find this play style fun and that's ok.
I'll tell you what would be awesome that will most likely never happen in DBD, though. Custom servers. Imagine a world you can pick and choose the server to play in where the people there share the same idea of fun as you and you make friends playing on the same server every day. It's almost like custom servers have existed for over 20 years but companies have been removing that feature from games for whatever reason.
@@bevvvy1374 Oh yea, 100%. But that's precisely why I don't play ranked. Can't stand doing the same thing every game and that's what ranked would force me to do. I only do this stuff in normals.
Typically, in my experience, SWFs are more focused on ensuring the killer *does not have fun* , and that's how they get theirs. Imagine having that shallow of a life that you have to maintain SOME semblance of pleasure in just making others suffer.
I can't stand when someone so heavily tilts the game in their favor just earlier a swf brought midwich with object and had the nerve to say "why'd you DC" I thought the point of this game was to outplay the killer and that's fun running in squares for 5 minutes just to use god windows and pallets when the killer catches up is so boring
Cocoa Bean There’s ways around that. Don’t be like the killers and *not* learn them. Everything a survivor can do to you can be countered. It’s your choice to either get better or complain to the devs that the survivors have a means of surviving
Why do you DC, we wanted to bully you, wtf
@@PissQueen009 In this particular example - OoO on Midwich - there really is no counter to it. Scott even talks about it in this video: ruclips.net/video/-Fv1rD82kmM/видео.html
If you knew beforehand that the survivors were bringing a midwich map offering, maybe you could bring a more suitable killer like nurse, spirit or maybe even wraith with some good addons. But if you just get matched up with these people not knowing they were doing a strategy like this, it's pretty much uncounterable with most killers. You're just going to be running in squares, spending half the match to get one hit in. If you ignore the obsession to go for the others, no dice either because they're on comms - this is literally the entire reason they're using a midwich map offering with object.
I think people shouldn't complain about survivors having a means of surviving or killers having a means of killing - but when either side brings something that heavily tilts the match in their favour and takes away the element of uncertainty, the other side is not obliged to just suffer through the match. A DC is very understandable in such cases.
Avada Kedavra But in that instance, it has nothing to do with one side or the other. It’s the devs. Sidenote, I really can’t entertain the idea of “UwU they have OoO on midwitch I can’t win”. Ma’am, that’s one person not doing gens. Even with comms, there’s ways around it. Yes it can be frustrating but it can be done. Worst case? Pick a different killer. Spirit is unfair. Just play spirit
@@PissQueen009 I'm exceptionally good at huntress I've mailed her for years and Im not gonna bring exhaustion add-ons or iri head into a random lobby if I knew they were gonna do that I would've switched to spirit to show them the epitomy of fun
As someone who has played with who you consider a sweat squad and are friends with these people, they're just having a fun time. Do they play to win? Sometimes, but they're just chilling and just trying to have fun. Our comms have never been super tactical or anything, we're just cracking jokes and laughing, having a good time. In all honestly, it's just 3-4 really good survivors playing together. All though, this doesn't apply to every sweat squad as I don't know everyone but the majority of these survivors that I do know don't have any interest in being in a competitive team. They're competitive by nature, but some people have fun by being competitive even if they game isn't by design
I don’t get that they enjoy just holding m1 the entire match without spicing up the gameplay at all
I'm not part of a squad, but the answer seems obvious. It's the same reason that bullies exist on the playground. Picking on those weaker than you makes them feel powerful, probably because they have frustrations in their real lives. People play DBD for the fantasy of being the power role, it just isn't the role you think it is.
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I have gone against that 1 sweat squad, 1 time. One time stands out. Obviously, 4 DS 4 Unbreakable, dead hard/sprint burst and iron will, but one guy had object of obsession. The object called out everything I was doing to the guy I was chasing, while the other 2 were on separate gens. I was playing Michael, and I didn’t do so well. The second I went for the object guy, everyone dropped what they were doing and protected him at all costs. All hope seemed lost. After the last gen popped, and the gates were opened, they t-bagged thinking they had won. But I had an ace in the hole. The one thing that not even the sweatiest 4man on the planet takes into account. The fact that I secretly was running a tombstone piece. I popped my 99d tier 3, and murdered the object of obsession guy. Still de-pipped, but good lord, nothing will be more satisfying than that moment.
You look sweaty, and now I'm sweating. why?
what?
Bruno Souza How?
Indeed
These people just love winning. They don't care if it's against a Rank 1 Nurse or a Rank 20 Wraith. They don't care about a challenge, they just love feeling the chemical mixture that goes to their brain whenever they escape a match.
Holy shit he gets spun once in 3 years and now we get this
i met a member of one of these guys in a game and friended him and got talking to him, one reason why he said they like playing these 4 man sweat squads is to unlock as close as possible the maximum potential of the survivor role and really realizing their true potential. He does say he does feel bad because he does agree that the game is HORRIBLY unbalanced, but he seems the kind of guy that just likes to unlock the maximum potential in the roles that he plays and this is what he told me about his 4 man death squad
Could you upload a video explaining at deep what a "Tournament Squad" is?
I'll try my best to explain these people will rush gens as fast as they can be in a 4 man swf in coms they won't even unhook just to do gens then open the door and escape then go into another game and do it again but since rank is broken almost no killers can handle it so they just win almost every single time
Tldr they big boolies
Just search for Marths depip squad experiments
Scott Jund that Marth Video was CRAZY 4 flipping minutes is so stupid
I think it is largely a power thing. Like I think the enjoyable thing about survivor, at its core, is that you’re (conceptually) the less powerful person as you can’t kill the killer and thus when you escape or perform something great against the big baddie who can kill you, it makes you feel amazing.
Now, as for some 4 man sweat squads who just like to stomp killers, i think it’s still a power thing but its because you’re the more powerful side now, it’s like a bragging power display as if to say “haha look at this killer that can’t kill. Look how cool I am”. It genuinely feels like the only positive is essentially to feel powerful because gameplay-wise it’s so unfun.
I don’t think this is universal though, I also think some people just like to be as good at the game as they possibly can, like it’s human instinct to just want to win in the most convincing way possible, hence why people always want to break world records. I think the same rule applies here, I just think DBD isn’t the right game for that.
Sorry if that was a long rambling mess. As a casual mostly survivor player who has only ever played solo queue, those are my thoughts
I’ve never understood sweat. It’s a game. Why do you need to be perfect at what is casual? Run a build that is fun, not Dead Hard, DS, Unbreakable, and BT
imagine complaining about how someone plays the game.
Those perks are fun to use wym
@@GNCceo stop with "imagine" and lets actually have a conversation
Winning is fun... running meta perks = higher odds of winning...
@@emojee6289 ill be honest he would have a better point of "dont tell people how to play a game" if those perks didn't make a killer play lame just to win
From being in a couple tournaments and overlooking the Syndicate crew very closely, being able to comfortably show skill against the killer by having all the information they need (killer, perk setup, vague understanding of how they play) is the most optimal situation to have a chase in. The satisfying part about that is just being very comfortable with the chase, which is very different from soloQ where you have to learn the killer as you're being chased down. I found it interesting with what you said about depipping, as things like leaving teammates to die to have the killer depip is not respected by the people I've played with outside of tournaments. The only reason I've ever seen people play like that is to warm up for a tourney.
Interestingly from what I know, the only squads that sweat non-tourney are ones that aren't good enough for actual tourney play.
No one has the right to tell another player how to play the game and whats "fun" to them. When you buy a game you dont say "hey ima get ths game to play it the way other people want me to play it. No you get the game and say im but to have fun. Having "fun" in a game is up to the person that bout the game for them self. If I wanna facecamp with Mikey with tier 3 ready to go because that fun to me then good let me do it. If I wanna insidious camp with bubba because its fun to me then let me do it. If I wanna be a "depip squad" because its fun to me then let me do it. Your version of fun aint my version of fun. Its that simple.
Is that thee crazyredboy himself? :0
@@DashyBurr huh
Yes finally someone finally said it in my 2 years of playing dbd this has happened to me ONCE and it was dreadful I’m so happy people like this are finally speaking out for people that play to just “bully” the killer
We play as such because your frustration brings us joy. Simple. We have fun this way.
While I fucking *hate* those squads, they don't play for fun, they play for outcome. The satisfaction of getting that outcome is what fuels them to do what they do. As long as they get something out of it, it's worth their time
I think i know what kind of Squad you are talking about. I play Nurse & Freddy mostly. I am from EU and there is a spanish Team called RNIN, i went against them on Dead Dawg Saloon. First i checked the ppls profiles, to confirm it was 4 man SWF from the tournament Team RNIN and it was. So i decided to play my sweatiest build on Nurse, which consist of:
Shadowborn: more field of view is a must since 2016 for me on nurse c:
Ruin: make sure if i keep them busy that the gens are regressing
BBC: good information to where everybody is.
Agitation: to carry them away from gens as far as possible, also sometimes it happens that they dont know you have it, running in front of, which didnt happen that game.
I also never played with Addons, but i decided to use some this game. So i used the recovery Addon for blinks (yellow) and the brown addon that makes the screaming and groaning louder when they get hit. I ended up getting them all after 25 fucking minutes. 1 gen was left and ruin was broken on 3 gens left. So i agree if you are not a really experienced good nurse/spirit, you wont stand a chance.
RNIN is not a tournament squad kekw , there are much better teams than that
@@Jurinko they play on tournaments. Ok, thanks for the Info that there is better teams, even tho that doesnt help anything
@@layser2583 Its not a team , its a clan . They never joined any big tournament or league. They are normal group of spanish players.
@@Jurinko wdym isnt a clan nearly the same as a team, except a clan is bigger. What is this discussion. I saw them playing on a tournament, a small one tho ^^
RNIN is fucking garbage lmfao they are a wanna-be comp team but they are actually your average SWF
They finally found a game that they’re good at so they try to take it to a competitive level despite all the rng that goes against what a competitive game should be. These are the people who put playing the game efficiently above playing the game with friends that they actually get along with and have fun playing with.
I also talked to someone who said that they only have fun when they’re winning and they think the game is competitive
They don't want to just win the game, they want to dominate the game (and the person they are playing against)
It's definitely a power trip more than anything else
i don’t have a tournament squad cause most of the people i play with personally are good but not at my skill level as i’ve been playing dbd for a very very long time but i can still answer your question by saying the reason squads of very skilled players like stomping the killer is because it’s satisfying to loop the killer and do risky shut near him that’s why i think skilled squads do what they do
A short rap for this video:
This is applicable to way more than just DbD.
Reminds me of when Scott played Souls "PvP".
A story in 3 parts:
Best of SCOTT GETS SPUN
Killer is harder than survivor
Survivor Sweat Squads: Why do you exist?
The only time I do a sweat squad is when we’re practicing for a tournament is all
I'm someone who used to be like what you describe in the video. I always played the most unfair builds and always won, every single time, even if depiping, on everygame. I just was depressed in real life and it was a way to take it out in the game.
Now I'm still depressed but I don't treat the game like it's a constant tournament haha.
I'm pretty sure those squads exist, because for them, 4 outing consistently is probably secondary or rather a bonus.
If I had to guess, those players really just live for chases, which they will lose every now and then. Be it because of the map or just a lost mindgame.
And here comes the rest of the squad into play. They just want to make sure they won't get farmed or left on hook.
In addition to that, it's fairly common for people of similar skilllevels to gather, play together and have discussions. It's hard to discuss game related stuff with someone that is clearly not even close to your skill level, because they just won't understand the game the way you do, since games usually play a lot different on different skill levels.
Also guessing the reason why you don't see them that often is, because they are indeed not feeling like playing 4 man swf ALL the time and if they solo/duo, they probably change their name to not get dodged. And recognizing a solo as a top player is usually less stuck in your head, because killers can actually win those games much much more easily.
I should add, I've never really seen any of those squads intentionally die on hook, simply to depip the killer.
The Problem with Sweat squads is that they don´t even notice when they are sweating. Like seriously, the amount of times I got called sweaty killer when I faced an even more sweaty survivor team is mindblowing. You know when they do everything time efficient and I don´t really have time to hook everyone that they are sweatin. And in the end game screen DS, Unbreakable, Borrowed and DH, a normal lvl survivor would not use those perks as optimal as possible.
When I have to play dirty to not lose, it shows that either Survivor is piss easy or survivors are playing sweaty without them even knowing they do it.
Especially the teams that drop map offerings. The mistakes killers do is, they try to play nice. They don´t slug, they don´t tunnel off the weakest link and that will make them lose against a good survivor, with hook rotation. Against a good survivor team if you as a killer not going out of your way to get one person on death hook as fast as possible, they will just trade hooks.
Its a flaw in the game, that has to be aknowledged, when the killer plays to survivor rules, he will lose 90% of his games against super optimal survivor teams. And as long as survivor have that much too say in the forums on the reddit and devs listen to them. That won´t change,
Killer mains or killer players in general have to understand that they have to play like a friggin killer to not lose,( lose is getting less than 3k)
You can say sweaty killers exist, because thats literally the only way to beat even half decent survivor teams. As Killers have to catch up on mistakes survivors do. And they won´t do mistakes if you let the survivors decide how to play the game. If you force them off, their general route of replaying the mechanics over and over. By starting to slug or tunnel a specific survivor, you put alot of pressure on exactly that survivor team, so they can´t play normal anymore and they have to adapt to you. And even then they will get the gens done, because every chase you do, is almost 1 gen completed anyway.
Also about that sweaty player argument, casual survivors that just play for fun(still running the small PP build). Call a good killer sweaty because against no brain survivors killer is pretty easy. They make mistakes without you having to bait them to make mistakes. So you can easily go ahead that way. But against really good optimal playing survivors, you can´t catch up. You have to play according to the situation and have to prioritize specific targets and your goal is to get them out of the game as fast a possible.
And even then a killer has a hard time of actually winning that, even if he plays dirty af. And thats with a good killer like Freddy, Spirit, Nurse, Oni etc. Try that with a weaker killer and you get burn out from thinking so much ahead.
The issue with DBD is that the devs balance the game for a fun aspect, but fun in its definition is related to whatever an individual would describe as fun. For Survivor fun often means, to have the power role, thats why its mostly swf bully squads with map offerings, keys etc.
No one has fun when he has no chance, but thats how killer feel on Tournament lvl. Others want to challenge themselves to improve in the hardest situations and want to work on ther skill to mastering a certain killer or mastering a specific part of the game, using weaker perks to not rely on it etc.
Those ppl that want to challenge themselves however can´t complain about other players using the strongest, sweatiest perk setup possible.
And then there are the chilled players, that just want to play a few games of DBD to maybe calm down from a stressful work day. Those players then get unlucky and face those players that want to challenge themselves playing on the best lvl possible.
So yeah fun is pretty inacurate to balance around.
The reason for Sweat squads is that ppl want to win. And some ppl go so far to break something by exploiting a system that in its core is the issue for most of the problems DBD has.
Scott, you do realize that their answer is just going to be 'we just want to play with our friends, don't you have friends?'
I am glad Scott shares my opinion on why 4 man swf can be overpowered.
"I promise you are not going against these squads every day"
My experience at red ranks taught me a lot of things: 8/10 times you get a toxic/sweaty squads.( and by that, I don't mean by flashlight saves, pallet saves, etc. It's about end-game chat, screaming that you are a fucking moron that you are playing killer and you can't get 3 hooks cause the map design is 99% in favor for survivors .
i used to be a part of the "sweat squad" you talking about.
we were a 4 man SWF always speaking on discord and played as optimal as possible with the most boring perks usually we run DS, unbreakable, BT, Adre, or iron will.
we demolished every single killer (except god nurses before she got nerfed even nurses were not a big problem)
we didnt play in a torunament but we all were real rank 1s not a single weak link and i can say we escaped pretty much every game.
i played with them for 3-4 month every single day for hours but then i realized how boring it was and i told them not to play Dbd anymore, not sure what happend to them. but your question is "why do you sweat so much" we didnt.. we just played the game normally. we never were like we will now destroy this killer, we never played like that. it was just the experience we had.
but if you mean with sweat the perks? well yes, that could be a part of the sweat you talking about.
but lets be fair here scott, 90% of killers sweat too right? and why? because they wanna win. i play solo and 90% of my games there is this killer slugging the last 2 survivor over and over again just to get a 4k.. isnt that also sweating for the 4K?
The stridor spirit, the rope freddy, the insta saw billy etc i mean is it really sweating just to play the game?
i think both sides have their sweaty players right? these swf you talking about just play the game to win, who plays to lose to be honest? we should look to both sides and not only the one side.
Rank 1 killer, rank 2 survivor (solo queue only) currently here. To answer your question, the difference is the maximum case. Those insane OP killer builds and moris are unfair and unfun, I agree, but they can be beaten. They will stomp solo queuers but most organized teams can have an escape or two or even three. SWF God Squads use the most powerful stall, protection, and second chance perks, and then absorb all informational perks into Discord calls through comms. These comms effectively give you another 4-12 perks worth of information across your team. That is why it's so unbeatable. You're effectively playing with several more perks. Killers can't get comms with info on survivors locations. They have to choose between info perks, gen regress perks, and chase perks, etc.
To answer your slugging remark, that's a rank system issue. The difference between a hatch escape and a 4k is very, VERY often the difference between a pip and no pip (or double pip).
Not to mention, in my opinion, killer requires much more consistent gameplay, is much more stressful, and is significantly more punishing for mistakes. It feels bad when the survivors complete 3 gens in the game and someone escapes through hatch so you dont pip or double pip.
@@captrobgames2223 i dont disagree with you mate, i also play killer on rank 1 and i now how unbalanced the game can be against 4 optimal survivor and they dont even need to be on comms. i played a lot against sweaty squads. that is exactly the reason why i stopped playing with my old swf buddys. this game isnt balanced for that. dbd has a lot issues, A LOT! for both sides. but i dont blame people to "sweat" because devs makes it happen that Killer suffer against cordinated 4 mans or survivors who play against a stridor spirit without coms. and now they implemented a new MMR system as if that will solve anything. i just took a break from dbd 2 days ago because its just unfun to play with killer/survivor.
thanks for the respond buddy, have a great day/ night.
The most likely reason is simply the fact that they enjoy crushing someone completely and feeding off their opponents frustration. Just like trolls, they play specifically to piss off other players b/c it puts them in a utterly hopeless situation; either take the L and ignore the taunts and jeers, or react with any degree of emotion and get laughed at for being salty. At that point they have completely dominated their opponent, not only in terms of skill but also enjoyment. They can get everything they want and leave the killer with nothing, not even the chance to enjoy the game. It’s a twisted but gratifying experience for them.
Same reason in magic players play like super strict and serious at local Friday night casual games. It’s an ego thing usually very rarely is it practice. It’s the idea of being able to say you can beat anyone whether in or out of the setting
This is something i have thought recently. I have been attempting to win 25 pyramid head matches consecutively - just a personal challenge. And ive encountered 3 different squads that run like this.
In the first 1.5 minutes, 3 gens popped. I got to chase 2 different people. Got 5 hooks. And the game was over within 5-6 ish minutes.
I got called boring at the end of it all.
And it didnt make sense how I was boring when 2 of the players made a choice to hold m1 on gens the whole game.
Trapper changes suggestions to the idea review video:
1 allowns the trapper to now carry 3 bear traps at base.
2 Change the escape time to no longer be RNG but instead,be a 5,75 seconds time.
3 Increase the rescue time to 3 seconds.
4 Injured survivors go the dying state when they free themselves from a bear trap.
5 Once a bear trap is instaled,it cannot be detected by any perks,items or addons for 60 seconds.
6 Change some of his addons to be in line with this changes.