Yoram Hazony with Sohrab Ahmari | Why We Need Tradition | NatConTalk
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024
- NatConTalk Episode 20: “Why We Need Tradition.” Yoram Hazony speaks with Sohrab Ahmari about his new book, "The Unbroken Thread: Discovering the Wisdom of Tradition in an Age of Chaos".
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I'll have to read Sohrab's book. He hits upon a theme that Victor Frankl stressed - namely, liberty without responsibility is a disaster waiting to happen. I especially remember that in addition to the Statue of Liberty on the east coast, he suggested that we Americans would to well to build a Statue of Responsibility on the west coast and incorporate that into our culture as well.
I love Sohrab's work -- loved his autobiography.
Indeed, the lessons of history show that abandoning tradition has disastrous consequences. Tradition plays a large and critical part in the betterment of people’s lives, because the past has a powerful influence over the present and acts as a guide for the future.
(Tradition: How It Keeps Us Alive and Well, by Vincent Gorre)
I love the phrase “There’s only so much wine you can drink”
"Importance of limits and restrictions to gain liberty".
I love his outlook. As a Catholic, this is liberating.
@Jaarfph Hhinkclee You sound like a fun, well-adjusted person!
Wowed by this interview!
I just ran across this man. I saw him on fox with comment. He has a good mind and train of thoughts and analogy. He is correct in his comment of traditional limitations need.I will seek out his books to read.
I don't know if he wrote about it, but Peter Kreeft was present at the Harvard commencement speech by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn and years later gave a speech on it. For those interested, it's on RUclips.
lovely & thoughtful discussion
We use to have a sabbath in my life time. Sunday was church family businesses were closed for the sabbath. Meaning also stores were closed. The opening of business probably was a big part of falling apart of society today. Work of any form was stopped. It was family ,church ,time with family ,time for religious thought and enlightenment,life. If you have lived in both times you see the change and direction of civilization.
Best insights you get from "outsiders"! - 😘
I loved the book
The foundation of a society is faith in G-d , family and tradition. Without it it’s like standing on one leg until the end of time.
The correct model was the foundation of our forefathers and it’s implementation. The traditions.
Can consider 'honor your mother and your father' a test of the honor in the child, rather than the parents.
The test of whether a Catholic's idea transgresses too much on the separation between Church and State, is whether a Protestant or a Jew could still exist unmolested in that state.
If Luther could nail his Theses to the church door without fear of death or professional reprisal, or if Jews can practice publicly without similar persecution, is the test to use.
As a Orthodox Jew. There may be issues like abortion which are impossible to solve that way. Orthodox Judaism has different opinions as to what the life of the mother is ranging from the mother, which is literally 10 minutes away from death to the mental health of the mother. It's something a Jew would go and ask their rabbi about. The government infringing upon that right to ask ones rabbi would be something no Jew could defend. Yet at the same time for the Catholic, it would be murder 100%.
@@Joeshapiro7 Do you think that Muslims should be able to ignore all the laws of any country they are in, in favor of Sharia?
@jimluebke3869 but with regard to the abortion issue, I would also point out that Catholics tend to also be more absolutist than Protestants. Not only Jews. So one way of doing things would be to say that we have a federalist system and let each state do what it wants and allow the carveouts that it wants. But Catholics can't really agree to that either. I think the only way to do it is to agree to a state that is more religious than the one we currently have but to leave such issues to referendum. Catholics can still vote for a no exceptions ban if they want.
@@Joeshapiro7 Do you think people of your religion would be entirely fine with someone being able to use "My imam said it would be okay" as a defense for murder?
As for neocon foreign policy, overthrowing Saddam was an act of justice and the jury is still out on whether Iraq will become a functioning democracy. Furthermore, the values of the Declaration of Independence are universal values, applicable to all men in all times and all places. Therefore it is right to use American power to advance those values whenever possible and practical. Of course, you have to pick your fights, but you don't quit. America has always been, and will always be, Mr. Democracy.
Speaking of ‘multicultural anxiety’ around @
Here’s a few recycled thoughts.
Xenophobia? I think it’s rather unfair to condemn, say, black people in Africa, who may have concerns about foreigners, of having an irrational fear. It’s surely sometimes unfortunate and regrettable... it may be to some significant extent irrational (sounds like human nature) but probably, more often than not, quite understandable...
As for Farage being uncomfortable or unhappy about being on public transport in Britain, with a majority of people (not tourists) speaking another language; well I should sincerely hope so... not speaking, especially not being able to speak, the English language, in England, is not a recipe for a healthy, successful, culture (first person plural, as Sir Roger Scruton describes national identity). Imagine how lacking in a sense of humanity you’d have to be to look down upon people in, say, Pakistan or Nigeria, for being uncomfortable about the majority of people on a bus in their country speaking English. It would be perfectly understandable. Oh but we’re suppose to be better than that? No, frankly, we should probably be better like that.
Regarding what Farage said about ‘a group of Romanian men moving in next door’. If I had a wife and children (never mind being a part of a group of men) and moved into a house in a foreign country, why should I expect the neighbours to be members of the cult of John Lennon’s Imagine? That would be profoundly arrogant, and stupid; escaping the Imagine cult of the West would be, I think, one of the best things about such a scenario. Frankly it would be reassuring if such neighbours were, at least initially, somewhat cautiously reserved.
As it happens, Romanians may, on average, be better neighbours than a disturbingly high percentage of godless ‘British’ people. @
As for the infamous poster
“We are facing the biggest wave of migration in history. If we open the floodgates no European government will be able to survive for more than six months. We advise them not to try our patience." - Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu 2019.
Muh but waycists have other ideas! 🙄
In the introduction to Zimbardo's Lucifer Effect, Zimbardo cautioned that we should not assume that something like what occurred in Rwanda in 1994 couldn't occur in an advanced western nation. The Stanford Prison Experiments of the 60's seem to confirm what most people would surely understand about human nature (and heaven knows, the Hebrew Bible is the most extraordinary commentary on just such human nature; especially of the very people whom God allegedly formed a very personal covenant with).
Why should I be so much better than the 'average' Hutu in, say, 1992?
I think we can safely assume that many Hutu's that took up machetes and slaughtered even their neighbours in 1994 were, in 1992, what we would consider average and often agreeable human beings. So why should I, or you, be so much better? Unless we posit racial differences we are basically left with culture and institutions such as education and the Rule of Law. The comparison may seem extreme, and I hope I never need to take up any weapon, much less a machete, but Zimbardo's warning is surely justified, in fact most of human history tragically bears it out.
Multiculturalism is like the Stanford experiment, but probably more with the intention of creating the mayhem that will justify the anointed NWO power grab
Thinking of why Liberalism took over conservativism. Most conservative were the working class, responsibilities to survive and go forward ,so much to do, lost sight of the purpose of all and driven to work look out for family ,centralized to immediate circle and lost sight of the whole and what was happening. Liberals were in schooling ,oneway or another ,picked up thought of being more in person, in intelligence, in purpose. Took freedom literally and eliminated boundaries, decided they were elitist, above natural law and order. Through the possession of educational facility indoctrinated the young minds to where it has come to the level starting at 3 year olds.
Speaking of ‘multicultural anxiety’ around 16:00
Here’s a few recycled thoughts.
Xenophobia? I think it’s rather unfair to condemn, say, black people in Africa, who may have concerns about foreigners, of having an irrational fear. It’s surely sometimes unfortunate and regrettable... it may be to some significant extent irrational (sounds like human nature) but probably, more often than not, quite understandable...
As for Farage being uncomfortable or unhappy about being on public transport in Britain, with a majority of people (not tourists) speaking another language; well I should sincerely hope so... not speaking, especially not being able to speak, the English language, in England, is not a recipe for a healthy, successful, culture (first person plural, as Sir Roger Scruton describes national identity). Imagine how lacking in a sense of humanity you’d have to be to look down upon people in, say, Pakistan or Nigeria, for being uncomfortable about the majority of people on a bus in their country speaking English. It would be perfectly understandable. Oh but we’re suppose to be better than that? No, frankly, we should probably be better like that.
Regarding what Farage said about ‘a group of Romanian men moving in next door’. If I had a wife and children (never mind being a part of a group of men) and moved into a house in a foreign country, why should I expect the neighbours to be members of the cult of John Lennon’s Imagine? That would be profoundly arrogant, and stupid; escaping the Imagine cult of the West would be, I think, one of the best things about such a scenario. Frankly it would be reassuring if such neighbours were, at least initially, somewhat cautiously reserved.
As it happens, Romanians may, on average, be better neighbours than a disturbingly high percentage of godless ‘British’ people. ruclips.net/video/hZH0vLmwR-I/видео.html
As for the infamous poster
“We are facing the biggest wave of migration in history. If we open the floodgates no European government will be able to survive for more than six months. We advise them not to try our patience." - Turkish Interior Minister Süleyman Soylu 2019.
Muh but waycists have other ideas! 🙄
In the introduction to Zimbardo's Lucifer Effect, Zimbardo cautioned that we should not assume that something like what occurred in Rwanda in 1994 couldn't occur in an advanced western nation. The Stanford Prison Experiments of the 60's seem to confirm what most people would surely understand about human nature (and heaven knows, the Hebrew Bible is the most extraordinary commentary on just such human nature; especially of the very people whom God allegedly formed a very personal covenant with).
Why should I be so much better than the 'average' Hutu in, say, 1992?
I think we can safely assume that many Hutu's that took up machetes and slaughtered even their neighbours in 1994 were, in 1992, what we would consider average and often agreeable human beings. So why should I, or you, be so much better? Unless we posit racial differences we are basically left with culture and institutions such as education and the Rule of Law. The comparison may seem extreme, and I hope I never need to take up any weapon, much less a machete, but Zimbardo's warning is surely justified, in fact most of human history tragically bears it out.
Multiculturalism is like the Stanford experiment, but probably more with the *intention* of creating the mayhem that will justify the anointed NEO power grab
Lol. Way to pick one of the most corrupt and damaging religions.