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What is the Cumberland Presbyterian Church?
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- The Cumberland Presbyterian Church is one of the more unusual Presbyterian denominations in the US. This video will explain their history and what they beleive.
Chapters:
00:00 History of the Cumberland Presbyterian Church
01:39 Formation of Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America
02:24 Merger of most of the church into the PCUSA
02:51 Formation of Upper Cumberland Presbyterian Church
03:23 UPCUSA Invitation for merger
03:47 Westminster Confession and The Confession of Faith
04:08 Core Doctrines
04:23 Sacraments
06:24 Scripture
06:50 Creation & Evolution
07:07 Sin & Salvation
08:21 Calvinism & Arminianism
10:52 Sanctification
11:07 Charismatic View
11:39 End Times
12:26 Marriage & Sexuality
13:30 Abortion
14:03 Worship Style
14:14 Alcohol & Tithing
14:38 Church Polity & Offices
15:40 Ordination of Women
16:03 Statistics
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So glad to hear that, Michael! Thanks!
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I always look forward to seeing your videos because I learn so much from them. I never heard of this denomination before so your video was very interesting and informative.
Thank you Debbie! Glad to hear that.
Thank you for this excellent overview of the particulars of faith and practice of the CPC.
Weird to see a church with Presbyterian structure but not Calvinist theology.
no it is not. I'm a member of the Presbyterian church of India and they are not Calvinistic. They only have presbyterian structure. I myself i hold on to Reformed Theology but not my church.
Presbyterian Church of India has Westminister Confession as an official confession, so at least on paper they are calvinistic, if not in practice. It is truly unusual for a presbyterian denomination to be like the Cumberland Presbyterian Church and repudiate calvinism.@@nangephriam1211
Presbyterian by its nature is referring to the congregational structure it has nothing to do with Calvin or Wesley or Luther Etc
Arminian theology or Remonstrandt?
The truth is, nearly all the churches claiming to be/thought to be "Calvinist" are not. Those few churches that claim to be "Calvinist" do not at all understand nor hold to "Calvinism". They just know that the truth of the Bible ("Calvinism") cannot be denied so they pretend to go along with it.
Thanks for posting this. This is a group that is in my area and I've been curious about.
You're welcome, glad to hear it interests you.
I am Cumberland Presbyterian, and for short hand we call ourselves CP. One ole salty CP pastor asked me once, "do you know what CP stands for?" And I answered obviously, "Cumberland Presbyterian." He laughed and said no, "it stands for "Confused Presbyterian." We are certainly an odd denomination.
Legend has it, that J.I. Packer said of our denomination, "you have a very curious theology."
Aw man. CP means something extremely awful on the internet.
If you are aware that your church is a Godless, false, manmade cult, why then do you remain?
I have been following your site for a few years now and wonder if in the course of your studies of the various denominations, there have been changes to your own personal views of faith and practice?
I may discuss this in a video some day. I'll save the topic until then. Thanks for sticking around!
Thanks for your videos. Often the comments are about the fallacies that others see in the groups you discuss. But I appreciate the straightforward and evenhanded approach you give to each group. Others want to point out the weakness or inconsistency of a group.
I was raised in the Southern Baptist Convention, educated at a IFB institution, and ordained in the GARBC. My home for the last two decades has been in Mainline Christianity and currently serve as the pastor of a United Church of Christ congregation. In all these I have witnessed people desiring to be faithful to God and the call if the gospel.
Thanks for your work, and I would wish that I could sit in one of your classes.
My late wife's family was part of this.
Could you do a video on the African Methodist Episcopal church?
Thanks for the even handed video. As a CP minister, if I make my Methodist and Nazarene friends as theologically nervous as I make my PCA and ARP friends, then I think I'm in a place of good balance. Interestingly, it had been the custom prior to the Great Revival of 1800 to allow candidates for the ministry to "scruple" those points of the Westminster C of Faith with which they disagreed. The ministers who reorganized the Cumberland Presbytery in 1810 were denied that privilege by Kentucky Synod, AFTER they were ordained, and were then deposed illegally. This was because they were leaders in the revivalistic movement. To some degree we are descendants of the revivalistic Presbyterians of Scotland and Ireland that have been an element of Presbyterians stretching back to the Reformation.
How can you be very strict on "no divorce", and then on abortions say "ehh, reasonable people can disagree." Goofy. Thanks buddy.
Divorce is explicitly and indisputably discussed in the New Testament. It's debatable if abortion is ever directly mentioned in either testament (even in the larger Orthodox/Catholic canon), which means that you have to rely on the Didache and other statements in church tradition to base your argument on more than mere inference.
@@MAMoreno Haha.
My guess is liberals had a power majority when abortion was being legalized, but there was a conservative backlash before gay marriage ever became a national issue. But the new consevative cohort still hasn't been able to force a consensus on abortion.
@@RepublicofE Good theory... for a church that old, there are going to be waves of different consensus going on. Who knows.
@@RepublicofE Or... I think it's probably older than that. The church had a long-standing thing against divorce going back to the 19th century...abortion wouldn't have been a "hot button issue" because, well, everyone just assumed it was abhorrent. But now they're all liberals so they're pretty lassez faire about abortion. But the divorce thing stuck around.
My grandparents on my dad’s side belong to this church. Good people, and good theology.
No wonder why they were kicked out. They really did reject the Westminster Confession of Faith.
interesting, this is a church I had never heard of before
Thanks for this. I have been learning bits and pieces about the Cumberland Presbyterian Church recently. They are a pretty interesting denomination, though I would definitely disagree with much of what they teach.
@@FranzAntonMesmer I am a confessional Lutheran so I would disagree with their views on the Sacraments, Arminianism, Perseverance of the Saints, the ordination of women, etc. I don't think Presbyterian polity is a Biblical requirement. I also disagree that abortion is an agree to disagree issue. Murder is wrong, period. Still, very interesting to learn about them and their place in American History.
@@FranzAntonMesmer no problem man. God bless!
Thank you for this. There's a CPC down the road from me (in TN) and I've been wondering how they relate to mainline Presbyterians.
You're welcome Jennifer. I knew there would be some folks who wanted to know about this interesting denomination!
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Constructive criticism: I understand trying to be creative and change things up, but the flashing lights to transition between slides quickly started grating on the eyes and became very annoying.
Thanks again for all your efforts to educate on the church. This a group to stay clear of.
The truth is, everything called the church should be stayed away from. Everything!
@@FranzAntonMesmer ,...Who are you replying to?
They don' take a stand on abortion due to different beliefs of members. What does the Bible say about abortion? The Bible is the authority, not a consensus.@@FranzAntonMesmer
It's funny to see perseverance of the saints accepted with the other 4 points rejected-some people are the exact inverse!
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Great video! Although, I’m not a huge fan of the rainbow glare transitions between the slides. Kinda bothers my eyes and makes it harder to focus on the subsequent text. Maybe it’s just me.
Yeah, I tried it out for this one video but I've decided the same thing. It's OK for once in a while but throughout the video like this is too much.
How about making videos about the Maronites and the other Eastern rite branches of the Catholic Church.
Awesome
I grew up in a CP church, my Dad was the minister, and most of my family still goes to a CP church. I had no idea that was their official stance on abortion and am horrified. I'm also not cool with female elders or pastors. So I'm basically a Baptist that thinks sprinkling is equally valid and is a bit more chill about figuring out all the ends and outs of end times prophecy. It's good to study, but am very open to my "interpretation" being wrong and just look forward to Jesus coming back!
Realistically their stance on abortion is biblical, as it is only mentioned once and it is when a jewish priest administers a medicine that if the woman was adulterous, would make her miscarry, AKA, an abortion. Also, one of the earliest Preachers was Mary Magdalene as proven by the unearthed scriptures now housed at Nag Hammadi.
A humble mind and believing heart. That’s the way forward for all of us.
@@gamerofedge8111 ,...Wrong! Mary M. was not a preacher, absolutely, positively not! The only thing that is proven is your lack of Biblical understanding. Repent!
A woman is to be in silence about the things of God. Period!
@@Avery_F ,...The way forward, away from the lake of fire is, not having anything to do with anything called or known as the church. The entire church is all 100% apostate and the christianity that the entire church sells is not the Christianity of the Bible.
Curious, why are you not cool with female elders and pastors?
The fact that they refused to perform full immersion baptisms,even if for a small period of time,is appalling.
They’d be Baptist if they allowed true baptism (full immersion for adults only).
baptism has nothing to do with the mode - and despite ill informed opinions to the contrary, it does not mean "to immerse" either in the Bible or the ancient uses outside the bible.
claryp, What you conceive of as "true baptism" has only existed for a brief time. The Greek speaking church from its inception knew what baptism meant in their language.
@@marcodesalud7034 The Greek Orthodox know the meaning of the Greek word "baptizo" which is why they get the infant all the way immersed in the baptism font. None of that 3 -drops-of-water-on-the-head silliness.
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I've seen and read many of your comments - your obviously attempting to present urself as a biblical scholar and man of God - let's see if you can speak truth in the meaning of the below passages
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CHRIST
(Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL
ISAIAH
(Isaiah 53:5,8) But he was wounded for OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was bruised for OUR iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes WE are Healed for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of "MY PEOPLE" was he stricken
(👆 Isaiah's people are the ethnic Israelites)
PETER
(1st Peter 2:24) Who his own self bare "OUR" sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes "YE" were healed
(👆same people in the NT)
ANGEL OF GOD
(Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS for he shall save "HIS PEOPLE" from THEIR sins
(Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"
PAUL
(Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for "my brethren" "my kinsmen" according to the FLESH who are ISRAELITES to whom "pertaineth" the ADOPTION and the GLORY, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the LAW and the SERVICE of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of whom as "concerning" the FLESH Christ "came" who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen
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I did not know Cumberland Farms had a church
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I grew up Cumberland Presbyterian. Founded by slaves. We were the first to ordain women and build churches for slaves.
They were Presbytry pronounced differently
The split P’s…
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Scottish Presbyterian, origin, being called 'Cumberland' the irony must be lost on Americans
@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh Erm, more William the Duke of Cumberland... See the irony was lost on you.
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What scripture says be a Presbyterian??
@@JohnnyRep-hz5qh
What scripture says be Baptist Presbyterian Mormon Muslim etc?? you understood in the first place - why play slow
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CHRIST
(Matthew 15:24) I am NOT sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of ISRAEL
ISAIAH
(Isaiah 53:5,8) But he was wounded for OUR TRANSGRESSIONS, he was bruised for OUR iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes WE are Healed for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of "MY PEOPLE" was he stricken
(👆 Isaiah's people are the ethnic Israelites)
PETER
(1st Peter 2:24) Who his own self bare "OUR" sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes "YE" were healed
(👆same people in the NT)
ANGEL OF GOD
(Matthew 1:21) And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS for he shall save "HIS PEOPLE" from THEIR sins
(Matthew 2:6) And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule "MY PEOPLE ISRAEL"
PAUL
(Romans 9:3-5) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for "my brethren" "my kinsmen" according to the FLESH who are ISRAELITES to whom "pertaineth" the ADOPTION and the GLORY, and the COVENANTS, and the giving of the LAW and the SERVICE of God, and the "PROMISES" whose are the fathers, and of whom as "concerning" the FLESH Christ "came" who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen
I have friends who live in this area, in the Cumberland Plateau not far from the Cumberland River. I also have friends who lived in the small village by Cumberland Gap National Park.
It’s a very beautiful area! So hopefully you understand that Cumberland is referring to the geographic features and actual location of the people.
I cannot, in good judgment, attend a church where baptism for adults only by immersion alone isn’t practiced, and I certainly will not attend churches that allow women to preach to and pastor men. (Matthew 3, and 1st Timothy 2:11-15 and chapter 3)
One of the first Preachers was a woman as proven by the unearthed scriptures at Nag Hammadi, Mary Magdalene.
@@gamerofedge8111 Gnostic writings have nothing to do with actual Christianity.
@@deaconblooze1 Gnostic writings were literally written by early Christians, sorry you fell for papal propaganda.
This video like all this channels videos just again shows how totally apostate everything called/known as the church is. If anything is called, known as, or claims to be the church or Christianity, we can be 100% certain that it is not.
The Bibles Christianity is 100% outside of and away from everything that claims to be Christianity/the church.
One of the Protestant, Adventists and Armstrong teachings regarding the Pope is wrongfully represented by the SDA. It will be interesting to see, if they are willing to change and tell the truth of the matter. Hard Mary had named Jesus, "Rock" , Christ's name would have been "Cephas" in the Aramaic and "Peter" in the Greek. There is no argument about it. But, Christ reserved the name "Rock" for Simon Bar Jona, though Christ is the Rock of Ages. *it cannot be denied that Christ Himself named Simon Barjona, "Cephas"* which ONLY means Rock at the beginning of Christ's Ministry. And, in John 1:42 forward, Christ and all the Apostles called Him "Rock" as long as they lived The correct teaching from scripture, is that Ceohas does not replace Christ but Cephas rules in Christ's visible absence with the authority of Christ, as much as Moses ruled Israel and spoke for God. Indeed, those that rebelled against Moses perished in the wilderness which remains a warning unto us in 1Cor. 10:1-12 1Cor. 10: 1. Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6 *Now these things were OUR examples,* to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand.
9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10 Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11 *Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.* 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.!!!
In the above scriptures, we learn Christ was the invisible Rock that *:Followed them"* when Moses was the visible man God chose to LEAD them! And, those that so much as "murmured" against Moses were punished by death and sent to hell! *LEARN THE LESSON!* " 11 *Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.* 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.!!! *And you all have FALLEN IN THE SAME REBELLION*
Except your version of course
@@marcodesalud7034 Just go ahead and try to refute it!!
@@catholic4sure976 refute what? If you would like to present an argument I will certainly entertain that.
@@marcodesalud7034 go ahead. I can’t wait
All Christianity is a form of madness,.
Yes, correct. What the world knows as "Christianity" is not the Christianity of the Bible. There is a real Christianity, it is just not found in anything known as the/a church.