"They did the WWE thing where they hit a finisher and roll outside of the ring..." As opposed to the alternative, kicking out of a million finishers or just kicking out at 1? At least this is a more logical defense mechanism for keeping a match going.
I completely disagree with Dave's comments that "they wanted thumbtacks bad." No they didn't. They went crazy because of what the beads signified in this feud not because they wanted thumbtacks. They were oohing not booing for that spot.
When I saw Mcintyre with the bag, I was like "Oh ffs, tacks, why. There's no point to this but extra brutality for the sake of it". When he dumped them on him and it was beads, it was like....."awesome". That was a great subversion of expectations, and it meant something. It meant a lot more than tacks would have, and unlike the tacks didn't hurt the shit out of them for no reason.
These so called journalists are so out of touch. The only time there was any heat from the crowd during the match was when the referee was trying the wipe the blood. This was an instant classic.
So I just learned that the reason Punk uses the remake of Cult Of Personality is so he can pay the band directly, not the record label. I admit, that's a really cool gesture.
Dave has this whiff of 'why watch this wrestling, when you can watch AEW' in almost every review. I noticed he dropped in his weekly "they booed Punk" line too. Get over it, Dave!!
@@kelso8142 He's not being laughed at for using skype. It's that Meltzer is lecturing his contemporaries about staying in touch with modern sensibilities...on an outdated video source. His obliviousness to the irony is what makes it funny.
No one was booing the beads. They were surprised. And it was way better than tacs. All the narrative/emotional imagery it signified plus the poeticness of shoving them down Drew's throat was better than a usual tac spot.
@@JM-fr5geyou can tell by the end of the match that both men went through hell. By the end of Swerve/Page, you have a bad taste in your mouth while Hangman screams into the camera.
" bracelets beads got heat, they (fans) wanted thumbtacks bad.". No. It got a reaction. Because heel Drew used this give it to Punk's face, you know like a heel mocking face. That was the heat. Thumb tacks would have just another furniture item in match with chairs, tables, screwdrivers, and A CELL. Glad Punk & Drew were smart enough to use black bag for beads, which was a huge part of this feud. Obviously Dave doesn't want to acknowledge that because his whole thing was "they should pivot because bracelet is not working", they proved him wrong, so of course he's not gonna acknowledge it.
@@CraigWeir-q5v Yeah, no thanks. Also, you're coming back multiple times to argue with a stranger in a youtube comments section. Let that sink in for a second. Good, now take your own advice, cause every time you reply to me it gives off the impression that you're projecting your own insecurities about being a friendless weirdo.
HIAC was brutal and bloody without crossing the line into classless CZW/XPW garbage. So naturally Dave will rate it a star or two lower than Swerve vs. Hangman.
i honestly think it would of been a fiv star classic if they turned there backs to the opponent then hit the ropes, not even a point to the ropes they would be running to
I thought it was a great match. When was the last time we had double juice in a WWE match? These things mean so much more when you dont get it every other match. Perfect way to end the feud. Drew is the best thing going right now.
Meltzer is upset at Punk for tarnishing the credibility of AEW in the eyes of many fans. I still enjoy AEW, but it's evident that this has happened. So Meltzer views everything Punk does through a negative lens.
@@dngn4774 The match was great, but he would've enjoyed it more without Punk. He rated Punk vs. Samoa at ALL IN much lower than Britt Baker vs. Serena Deeb on the last Dynamite, showing a clear cognitive bias. Everyone has cognitive biases, but I try to be open with mine.
@bigmandogs Meltzer is not a journalist anymore, he thinks that people buy whatever he says because he mattered in the past, but that's mood. After a while it became clear as day that he is defending and pro AEW, no matter what, (just take a look at his argumenents with Alvarez), while he will badmouth Punk every chance he gets. And people caught on to that. One of my "fav." clips here is about Trick Williams and NXT (also by title lol) where Meltzer basically just praises the Young Bucks. It's blantant and it's obvious
@@meciocio the ones with the flippy routines that end the same way, the no selling, the kick outs, the dangerous spots for no good reason, the kick outs, the superkicks, the thigh slaps, the kick outs, those ones
Man, it’s impossible to take Dave seriously. He leans with AEW so much. And critiques WWE like atheist critiques the Bible. Wish Bryan reviewed WWE with somebody els. I end up fast forwarding Dave.
As someone that agrees with Cornette about the strange absurdity of different things under the ring these days, it was nice to see the toolbox, something Jim has pointed out is actually under the ring.
Trips did the "not-televised happening, rely on fans to post on social media" thing a few times in NXT back in the day. Samoa Joe's title win was one IIRC.
this match was incredible lol vince mcmahon is pissed that CM punk brought hell in a cell back to it's roots and vince couldn't I loved this match so much glad punk won lol glad this opened the show and didn't close it glad this feud is over 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Poor show in terms of matches. Good show in terms of storytelling. I get that the IWC is gushing over Punk vs Drew. I thought it was a 3* good match. Wrestling is subjective and I wasn't going nuts over this like others. I genuinely enjoyed this show more in podcast recap form the next morning then I did watching the show yesterday.
WWE fans still crying because of Dave Meltzer and AEW. I thought this was a WWE video. WWE fans have become way more toxic than AEW fans. Winning in the ratings and they still ain’t happy. If y’all hate Dave so much why do you keep coming back it’s so sad lol
Isn’t this man rich ? For crying out loud plz get some decent streaming equipment Dave wtf . Why does it look like u are in 2000 AOL and Bryan look like current times da fuck
HIAC was WWE brutal, which a couple levels below AEW brutal. Put it this way, WWE PPV brutal = AEW TV brutal. It was still a great match, with good action and great spots, and WWE knows that those Hangman-Swerve matches raised the bar for these kinds of matches.
30 minutes is about perfect. Matches don’t need to be any longer.
Perfect for what? Hell in a cell. 30 min is way too long for the average match
@@MahdiRanger don't tell that 2 aew
And too short for a technical match. 30 minutes is perfect for a main event hardcore match specifically.
"They did the WWE thing where they hit a finisher and roll outside of the ring..." As opposed to the alternative, kicking out of a million finishers or just kicking out at 1? At least this is a more logical defense mechanism for keeping a match going.
They literally did this in Punk's first AEW match where Darby gets hit with the GTS and rolls out the ring.
Rent free
I think there were about 6 pin attempts total in the whole match, including the finish.
Hahahahha! I was going to make this exact comment.
There's nothing ring with any of those options if done properly. Most of the time WWE and AEW do them properly.
I completely disagree with Dave's comments that "they wanted thumbtacks bad." No they didn't. They went crazy because of what the beads signified in this feud not because they wanted thumbtacks. They were oohing not booing for that spot.
When I saw Mcintyre with the bag, I was like "Oh ffs, tacks, why. There's no point to this but extra brutality for the sake of it". When he dumped them on him and it was beads, it was like....."awesome". That was a great subversion of expectations, and it meant something. It meant a lot more than tacks would have, and unlike the tacks didn't hurt the shit out of them for no reason.
I was actually glad it wasn't thumbtacks because when I saw the bag I rolled my eyes but when Drew dumped the beads on Punk I thought "What a dick."
These so called journalists are so out of touch. The only time there was any heat from the crowd during the match was when the referee was trying the wipe the blood. This was an instant classic.
The bots are so brainwashed they can't hear the obvious booing 😂😂
@@megatinmand5524 DEFINITELY
Drew vs punk was quite great match
CM Punk vs. Drew McIntyre was a great Hell in a Cell match.
top 5 or top 10 easy
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So I just learned that the reason Punk uses the remake of Cult Of Personality is so he can pay the band directly, not the record label.
I admit, that's a really cool gesture.
So that's why he has this current version as his theme
Yeah he's really good friends with the whole band cause they're Chicago guys too.
What a cancer!!!!
It's because tony has the rights still
@@BuddsyMalone He may have the right to license the song but the publishing rights mean any payment would go to the label.
Dave has this whiff of 'why watch this wrestling, when you can watch AEW' in almost every review. I noticed he dropped in his weekly "they booed Punk" line too. Get over it, Dave!!
It's 2024... and Dave is still using Skype? That's insane.
going by the quality, i thought he was using the video seting on his fax machine
holy shit people will complain about anything
Nokia 3310 ?
@@kelso8142*ANYTHING*
@@kelso8142 He's not being laughed at for using skype. It's that Meltzer is lecturing his contemporaries about staying in touch with modern sensibilities...on an outdated video source. His obliviousness to the irony is what makes it funny.
This match>>> Swerve Hangman cage match
@@christophermarriott1681drinking blood? goofy
@@YeTism sticking needles in people's mouth too lol
Nah man both matches are equal. Both guys kicked the fuck out of each other.
I can’t believe they rolled out of the ring after the finishers instead of doing each finisher 25 times and kicking out of it.
No one was booing the beads. They were surprised. And it was way better than tacs. All the narrative/emotional imagery it signified plus the poeticness of shoving them down Drew's throat was better than a usual tac spot.
Meltzer doing everything he can to downplay the HIAC
Ikr.
You know but swerve and hangman did it better cuz they used cinder blocks and needles-Dave Meltzer
@@JM-fr5geyou can tell by the end of the match that both men went through hell. By the end of Swerve/Page, you have a bad taste in your mouth while Hangman screams into the camera.
It wasn't in the Tokyo Dome or in a half empty aew arena so he'll rate it 3 stars lol
@@JM-fr5gedrew whiffing a claymore onto those stairs was the most painful spot between either match
" bracelets beads got heat, they (fans) wanted thumbtacks bad.". No. It got a reaction. Because heel Drew used this give it to Punk's face, you know like a heel mocking face. That was the heat. Thumb tacks would have just another furniture item in match with chairs, tables, screwdrivers, and A CELL. Glad Punk & Drew were smart enough to use black bag for beads, which was a huge part of this feud.
Obviously Dave doesn't want to acknowledge that because his whole thing was "they should pivot because bracelet is not working", they proved him wrong, so of course he's not gonna acknowledge it.
I love how these guys gaslight their audience constantly
at least f4w only has a tenth of the wrestletalk audience
I don't think Meltzer interrupted Alvarez enough there lol. Let the guy finish a sentence or two, Dave.
Bryannnn
U must be new here lol
@@wildx5634 not new just hoping Dave could develop basic manner past a 11 yr old thru conversation at this point. he's 72
Those were not boos for the beads.
Drew vs Punk talk starts at 4:31. Opening of the video has their thoughts on the Kevin Owens stuff.
People like you are pathetic . Imagine ''time stamping'' videos only for likes from strangers. Go get some real friends.
@@CraigWeir-q5v Imagine defending clickbait.
@@dngn4774 as I said , stop being a little weirdo and posting ''time stamps'' for strangers as you have no life.
@@CraigWeir-q5v Yeah, no thanks.
Also, you're coming back multiple times to argue with a stranger in a youtube comments section. Let that sink in for a second. Good, now take your own advice, cause every time you reply to me it gives off the impression that you're projecting your own insecurities about being a friendless weirdo.
@CraigWeir-q5v it's not being a weirdo, dngn is doing a service for those with sleeping disorders. F4w has no charisma
HIAC was brutal and bloody without crossing the line into classless CZW/XPW garbage. So naturally Dave will rate it a star or two lower than Swerve vs. Hangman.
How could it be any good without thumb tacks, bamboo skewers, light tubes, barb wire, cinder blocks, exploding rings, staple guns or needles?
Lol, so true
@@jackwagner4010 and its not in the Tokyo Dome
i honestly think it would of been a fiv star classic if they turned there backs to the opponent then hit the ropes, not even a point to the ropes they would be running to
I mean I loved the match but they were clearly trying to do a Hangman vs Swerve type match and didn’t reach the same level. Still great though
Why uncle Dave never talk about boos and cheer when he talk about aew face vs heel matches...... Does uncle Dave own some shares in aew.....
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Dave is still jealous over Will Washington
I thought it was a great match. When was the last time we had double juice in a WWE match? These things mean so much more when you dont get it every other match. Perfect way to end the feud. Drew is the best thing going right now.
Meltzer is going out of his way to nitpick and downplay everything Punk does. So annoying
Good. Punk is overrated.
@@christophermarriott1681 no he isn’t. He is perfectly rated
Meltzer is upset at Punk for tarnishing the credibility of AEW in the eyes of many fans. I still enjoy AEW, but it's evident that this has happened. So Meltzer views everything Punk does through a negative lens.
Tbf he was quite positive in this clip.
@@dngn4774 The match was great, but he would've enjoyed it more without Punk. He rated Punk vs. Samoa at ALL IN much lower than Britt Baker vs. Serena Deeb on the last Dynamite, showing a clear cognitive bias. Everyone has cognitive biases, but I try to be open with mine.
And for calling him a goof not long ago
@bigmandogs Meltzer is not a journalist anymore, he thinks that people buy whatever he says because he mattered in the past, but that's mood. After a while it became clear as day that he is defending and pro AEW, no matter what, (just take a look at his argumenents with Alvarez), while he will badmouth Punk every chance he gets. And people caught on to that. One of my "fav." clips here is about Trick Williams and NXT (also by title lol) where Meltzer basically just praises the Young Bucks. It's blantant and it's obvious
YALL LOVE SPEAKING ON DAVE’S OPINIONS ON WRESTLING 😂😂😂
Uncle Dave looks sticky like the elite just ran train on him
You are wrong - the truth is Nick and Matt Jackson actually go gerballing inside Dave, and he gets sticky on his own accord.
The E PR team still looking quite pathetic in the WOR comment section.
He fkin wishes lol
@@SanatoZen It is pretty early for pathetic PR. Next week's Dynamite ratings aren't even out yet.
@@Daint_McTaintHow else is Dave gonna get the hamster out?
Dave filming with a iPhone 6?
i didnt hear anyone booing the beads and i was there
"it was very by the book, kind of what I expected"
yet AEW do the same match every time and they're all 7 stars...
which matches were the same?
@@meciocio the ones with the flippy routines that end the same way, the no selling, the kick outs, the dangerous spots for no good reason, the kick outs, the superkicks, the thigh slaps, the kick outs, those ones
@@iamdb1990 can you name two matches that had this formula from the last All Out?
@@meciocio yes
@@IrishPablo94 ?
Man, it’s impossible to take Dave seriously. He leans with AEW so much. And critiques WWE like atheist critiques the Bible. Wish Bryan reviewed WWE with somebody els. I end up fast forwarding Dave.
Dave will give random matches on dynamite 5 stars but not this
Well you see WWE killed Owen Hart so Dave cant give any of there matches 5 stars.
As someone that agrees with Cornette about the strange absurdity of different things under the ring these days, it was nice to see the toolbox, something Jim has pointed out is actually under the ring.
The Cody & Owens thing was very smart, the world is on social media nowadays. It was something really different.
The second MCMG flashing the Woodward Ave sign 🔥🔥🔥
Nobody booed the beads 😂😂😂
Trips did the "not-televised happening, rely on fans to post on social media" thing a few times in NXT back in the day. Samoa Joe's title win was one IIRC.
Daves camara off a Nokia 3310?
Hell in a cell match was way more damaging than hangman and swerve.
Punk Drew should've been main event.
HIAC match blew that Lights Out cage match out of the water.
WWE is on another level.. WWE is the major league
Classic hell in a cell match. Loved it.
Not enough flips 1 1/2 *
Best match Punk has had since his return to wrestling
Dave looks like if Moe Szyslak and a goblin had a baby.
Bayley did a basically shoot promo on how clumsy and dangerous Nia is, so what's the surprising part?
Dave Meltzer owns 3% of AEW This rumor is spreading all over the internet
Thumbtacks are always a nice touch. Dumping a bag of thumbtacks after the beads would’ve been cool, but it’s whatever.
This was a text blowoff for a match, punk uses the history of wrestling to put his matches together … Dave wants dives and flips on 15 tables
Cody is smart enough that if he ever gets boo’d he can turn it around. He’s not going to be hung to dry without spinning the narrative. He’s too smart
That's because WWE fans are stupid and gullible. AEW fans saw right through that guy and booed him out of the building.
Dave will give it 3 ⭐️ bec he doesn’t wanna upset his friends in AEW
Yeah okay pal.
@@ChigoIEbereyou agree 👍🏿
this match was incredible lol vince mcmahon is pissed that CM punk brought hell in a cell back to it's roots and vince couldn't I loved this match so much glad punk won lol glad this opened the show and didn't close it glad this feud is over 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
5 seconds. 5 seconds before meltzer butted in over Bryan.
Grandpa making excuses for not wanting to give a 5+ star rating. The bias is just too obvious
Dave lost all credibility years ago and keeps digging a hole deeper and deeper.
McIntyre ended up with 16 staples in his head...
Kevin needs to be World Champ again
for Goldberg to come back it take the belt right before moeny again
Does Dave think people don't watch the match before watching his reviews ? He thinks he can blatantly lie and nobody's gonna say anything ????
Eric Bischoff destroyed Dave Meltzer in the last video
I don't think Nia Jax got all of that one...
Meltzer is a clown. He can't wait to interrupt Alvarez.
I bet Dave will not give the HIAC 5 stars😅.
Poor show in terms of matches.
Good show in terms of storytelling.
I get that the IWC is gushing over Punk vs Drew. I thought it was a 3* good match. Wrestling is subjective and I wasn't going nuts over this like others. I genuinely enjoyed this show more in podcast recap form the next morning then I did watching the show yesterday.
WWE fans still crying because of Dave Meltzer and AEW. I thought this was a WWE video. WWE fans have become way more toxic than AEW fans. Winning in the ratings and they still ain’t happy. If y’all hate Dave so much why do you keep coming back it’s so sad lol
Dave live from a tunnel in gaza
"Gory self-mutilation"
Dave Meltzer upset over WWE's success
AEW All Out > > > WWE bad blood
I dont understand why 90 percent of this comment section is just Dave Meltzer hate , why bother watching his content ?
Great match, not a over the top AEW garbage match like they always have in cage matches.
When it comes to WWE u just can’t listen to these guys. They are so bias it’s insane
Isn’t this man rich ? For crying out loud plz get some decent streaming equipment Dave wtf . Why does it look like u are in 2000 AOL and Bryan look like current times da fuck
Anything about the wrestling commentary aside; why not get a reasonable camera??
Gonzalez Susan Wilson Cynthia Thompson Helen
Dave is so lost.
Dave using a potato.
90% of the comments: “…but AEW” 😂 absolutely rent-free in the minds of Fed fans. Just enjoy your plastic fantastic show, guys.
I'm a wwe fan but I agree with you
Dave Meltzer you are a clown
Funny how they don’t criticise or even bring up the unprotected head shots, only seems to happen when it’s AEW
HIAC was WWE brutal, which a couple levels below AEW brutal. Put it this way, WWE PPV brutal = AEW TV brutal. It was still a great match, with good action and great spots, and WWE knows that those Hangman-Swerve matches raised the bar for these kinds of matches.
I was one of the best wwe matches in a while and alot of fun and yes it was pretty violent , need more like this but i think this a one off.
Drinking blood and using Syringes is not raising the bar it's lowering it.
no dave, they would not have cheered ko turning on cody. you dolt.
Dave was reporting that the WWE was ready to turn on Cody the day after he won the title. Dave is such a fucken clown sometimes.
Cheering for bs punk after all he.s done is as bad as Cheering for vince
F the Hater brigade
Have a nice day
Wow you poor child , you'll be okay uncle Dave won't give owl Punkster a 5 🌟rating , you'll be okay
@@IrishPablo94 Bs punk fanfool spotted
Top 10 cell match of all time. That was a war.