Don't bother growing tomatoes any other way! This trellis system is the BEST and CHEAP.
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2020
- We've tried lots of tomato growing systems over the years (anyone else remember those topsy turvy tomato commercials???), but this is really the best! Shoutout to Josh Sattin over at Sattin Hill Farms (we love watching his channel!) for this method.
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Set your T-posts at the end of your growing beds to establish rows, use PVC connectors on the top of the posts, and run your conduit between the posts. Now that you have a strong structure, string up your tomatoes to keep even the wildest indeterminate varieties under control. Training your plant up keeps good airflow, keeps pests down, allows you to access for easy pruning, and sets your plants up the success!
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The only video I found explaining suckers and pruning that made sense without 20 minutes of filler!
I came here to learn about a cool trellis, I left understanding suckers and proper pruning. And a cool trellis. Great video!
Really good of you to give credit for where you got this idea. Josh wasn't the first, but at least you're giving credit to your source.
Issues: 1)When I tried a similar system in Albuquerque, the tomato vines grew so long that I had no place to train them to once they reached the conduit. Today, I'm thinking cattle panel arches or tunnels. That would give each vine 16 feet - up, over, and down the other side. 2) Thanks to the type of pruning you suggest, I had lots of plants & lots of heavy tomatoes! My conduit sagged in the middle under the load. However, I may have used only half inch whereas you suggest 3/4". I cudda tried that the following year, but I got crazy & used plumbing pipe. Super strong enough but way more expensive and still had the length issue. 3) I used what appear to be the same white clips you're using. NM sun so brutal, the plastic clips grew brittle and many of them broke, especially any that I tried to move or re-use. Many didn't last the season & none lasted more than one. 4) Same for the white string. Many simply snapped under the weight as my vines grew heavier and heavier with tomatoes. Brightly colored nylon(?) boat rope f/WalMart worked better. It's way thicker than I'd have liked, but I was able to poke 6-10" strips of old t-shirts in between the fibers of the rope. I used them to loosely tie the vines to the rope. Now I've moved 3 states over, I've gotta start from scratch. I'm thinking that with cattle panel arches, I'd still need the cloth strips, but not the string or rope, yes? I'm also thinking, whoa, buddy, cattle panels are expensive!!! Plus, a real challenge to transport. So, I dunno. Maybe your system, but with two rows, 10' apart, and connected (like clotheslines) across their tops by boat rope?!?! AIEEE!! Makes me wanna give up gardening. Lol. I guess the obvious solution is cut the vines and don't allow them to grow past the conduit. But then, why grow indeterminants? Sorry. Too long. Bye now.
The tomahook allows you to unravel, so the stalk will coil down on the ground. This gives you "infinite" height in a way.
The plastic clips definitely don't last too long. Unfortunately, the compostable kind break even faster.
For really heavy tomato varieties, I wouldn't recommend this method. For indeterminates, you could use a cattle panel trellis or arch since it's stronger. For determinates, a cattle panel cage like this works well: ruclips.net/video/4WnEGT70fQw/видео.html But yes they're tricky to transport even with a truck.
Most important part is to keep learning and experimenting which you're doing! :) Maybe even try two or three methods with the same variety and find what works best for you.
I used cattle panels, vertical 4x8. I had to use the panles to fence around my little garden. I will try vertical trellis with PVC structure (I know it sounds flimsy but I did a 8W x 5H with a post in the middle, I am thinking either use a trellis mesh or vertical I havent decide yet. Cattle panel was good, I am 5'11 but still wants something I can reach with my hands without a ladder, just because ergonomics, I dont have a big ladder or it will be difficult to move one around in my little garden
If you use hooks at the top of the trellis, you just unhook them when they reach the top and move one space over. Repeat as needed. Then all your tomato vines can grow at a diagonal, looping around the trellis as needed.
Thank you so much for this video. I haven’t had a garden in a long time and had forgotten a lot. Your video is a Very helpful insight to what needs to be done to tomato plants as they grow. Thank you so much again!
It helps when doing this outside to run a string horizontally to stop the wind from blowing them around.
Using those PVC T's is a great idea for making these trellises. I've always bent the EMT so that I have a horizontal piece and two legs, to which I attach straight pieces of EMT so that I have the appropriate height. The legs are inserted into 3/4 inch PVC attached to the sides of my 4 foot-square wooden beds.
Bending the EMT has always been problematic - it can be challenge to bend it so that it is close to the correct width. However, once it's done, these types of trellises last forever.
Your method is much simpler and it looks like it would work just as well for me. In addition, removing and storing these trellises looks easier and more efficient.
Thanks for posting.
Omg, thank you! This is the simplest, shortest video explaining the technique and essential tips. I've watched many videos trying to learn and I have a short attention span. Lol. Gosh, thank you!
Interesting method of trellising. We may have to give that a try next year. Thanks for sharing!
Yeah, that's how I do it too. I have goat fencing around the veg garden and used a piece of that over the top to tie my strings to. I tried plastic clips to hold the vines but am going back to cloth because with the heavy winds we had, the stems broke off with clips. They didn't break with cloth. TFS
I use that system and love it. Last year I had tomato plants over 7 feet high.
Simple, cheap and effective. Great system. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for watching! If you use a system like this, we'd love to see it. You can tag us on Instagram or Facebook :)
Just did this yesterday. Found your video today. I like how you used the string clamps on the base of the plant. I tied the strong to landscape nails/spikes.
First time gardener and i trellised my San Diego seed co. Large cherry tomatoes the same way and there 5ft tall already with 4-5 fruit sets growing on each already. 👍 works great for sure. Thanks for the quality seeds.
topkinginer thank you for being a valued grower! Post photos of your cherries. We want to see them!
Awesome system.. l learnt this system 20 years ago from a farmer in Ireland.. we did the same for the cucumbers..Thanks for sharing
Your welcome!
We really like this system and will implement it from now on.
Nice concept for a system and very helpful!
Exactly. Old school home gardener here; I'v been growing toms 60 years and this is an idea I haven't tried yet. Something so simple yet ingenious at the same time; I almost feel stupid. Thanx for sharing.
Always fun to try new techniques! Let me know how it goes
Perfect explanation of why the suckers need to be removed. 👍 I use a similar system, and just tweak it a little every season. Works well..
I like that trellis looks like a really good idea. I may give it a go this year!
Thank you for the info!
For a video on the trellis system, you mostly talked about suckers and not how you have those strings tied at the bottom and how you get the plants around the strings I.E how the trellis system needs to be set up with the plants and used.
I agree, this "trellis" video veered off a bit. looking for a trellis solution for a new garden and this might work. I already have the post and clips...but would like to see more details about the set-up.... how was the string anchored ,how were the poles set up,etc
She made a very quick comment about just wrapping the plant around the string. I didn't hear anything about the anchor, I'm guessing just some kind of spike?
@@jrow84 Yes all left to people guessing
From what I have seen of similar trellis systems here in the UK, the string is planted under the rootball when transplanting the tomato seedlings. As the plant and the roots grow, the string is anchored in the soil.
@@SueSeacooks Yes had to go to another video to get information that this video should have provided
I wish I would have seen this video a few months ago! Will definitely have to try it out in the spring.
Let us know what you think!
Great video! Thanks for the information!
love the pvc parts on this! Super easy!
It really is!
Love this system!
I was tying tomatoes up back in the late 60's for my friends greenhouse
Outstanding information!!!! Plus,,,
This has become my favorite tomato trellising system too, after trying three other methods of trellising indeterminate tomatoes. You mention this works great with your row gardening layout, but I also use this method with my raised beds. I've also used this method for my pole beans. For one thing, once you get it set up, it's the lowest maintenance trellising system I've used. And it's *very* strong. The vertical stakes get strapped onto the sides of the bed and anchored into the adjacent ground with rebar, and in the time I've used it, it has stood up to some very high winds and kept the plants firmly in place. They'll stand up to just about anything short of a tornado.
Love that! Raised beds deserve love too
Hi! I'm also growing in mixed raised beds, so your success story caught my eye. Gonna give it a go - tomatoes just getting ready for support in New England - For string - jute twine or did you go with something stronger? You grow cherry toms this way too? On the fence whether to prune cherry tomatoes and grow up leaders vs cage and let 'em go. Best!
I root suckers occasionally; however, I enjoy adding tomato suckers and leaves to salads or dehydrate them for teas.
thank you just saw your video today saw another one a month earlier with tstakes and conduit with string but not those little clips in Canada though so won't be planting for another 4 weeks cheers
I plan on doing this same system!
Good information I can use. Tx.
Easy and best trellis system I have seen!!
Thank you! We can't take credit. It came from our friend Josh Sattin.
Wow I had the wrong idea about suckers - I was taking off the leaf below the sucker and leaving the sucker! This is great all around cheers
Happy we could help!
Love the calendar
This is a really clever idea.
Sadly, several channels show the setup without tomatoes OR tomatoes that are strung WITHOUT SHOWING the procedure AS THE TOMATOES GROW - at least once...so people SEE what's being done, especially what's happening with the string AT GROUND LEVEL AND what is being done with THE STRING AT THE TOP, as the tomatoes grow. This was not helpful!
What a brilliant idea. I'm in Australia, so we're just about at the end of Winter (shame we're not almost to the end of Covid too), so I'm going to give this a try. I have a large family, so I grow lots of tomatoes every year and I get so tired of banging wooden stakes in. And once the warm weather comes it's so easy to miss suckers and have your plants wasting precious grow time on them. Particularly if you grow a lot of tomato plants, their management can be quite time consuming.
Hi from Texas. Hope ur ok in Australia 🙏
Thank you for such valuable information!!!
Thanks for watching!
Cool idea and cool hat ❤
Like…subbed. Just setting my no weed garden up now and I like your set up. Thanks.
Awesome 👏🏻 awesome, thanks for sharing.
Excellent trellis tips and just in time as I was just about to invest in a similar method but using much more expensive materials. Also liked the 2-leader method and will try it on a few of my sets this year.
Here is an in-depth long video of the system. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
You should’ve shown us HOW to tie the tomato and set you the trellis. Will be much more helpful
We clip it with a plant clip. We have a more detailed video here. Check it out! ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
Advice just in the nick of time!
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany the system you describe in that video looks nothing like whats in this video minus maybe the clip
Yeah, but you could figure it out, right? I mean, how hard could it be..
Imagine being a toddler and demanding someone explaining how to tie shoes in a demonstration about running
Awesome! Thank y'all
We just shot another video that is much more in-depth. Check it out! ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
Loved the video, I have a question. Where does the string start on the tomato? Does it hook to the ground or do you start it 3 or 6 in on the tomatoes?
We clip it with a plant clip. We have a more detailed video here. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
great idea thanks
Thks for trellis idea. I’m making several wide teepees….and laying a long lightweight yard branch across all those horizontally for strings. I used a long deck railing one year. That worked great too. Ahna usa
Oooo I like how that sounds too!
I grew tomatoes on a trellis this year and I'll never go back. I still put a few plants in pots, but they're hybrids and are early producers that don't get very big. Next year I'm going to let 2 leaders grow, because this year production wasn't as good as I hoped. No problems with bugs or diseases
Great video, I have been using a version of this system in my polytunnel for over 20 years, the bars of the frame are ideal for this sort of system.
That's great. Do you find it holds up in heavy rain and wind?
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany I do the same in my polytunnel and wind and rain aren't a factor. If anything, trellised tomatoes and cukes act as a slight anchor by exerting downward pressure on the purlin.
She's a keeper!
This is the best system for tomato supports I've seen yet. This will work for containers as well if you set the T post inside a piece of PVC that's been cemented inside a 5-gallon bucket . That way you can move your T post easily when you move your containers of tomatoes.
I like that idea!
That's a good idea I live in San Diego to. You could probably use that system but run some lines horizontal for string beans. 😎👍
Yes, that's a great idea
I’d plant marigolds between the tomatoes to keep the hornworms away. I always plant marigolds with my tomatoes and never get hornworms. (zone 10)
Good call. Hornworms are something else!
I keep seeing numerous folks stating to plant Marigolds near the tomatoes, but I also read that Marigolds are magnets for red spider mites? Have you had issues with spider mites? I maybe be off the road here so I would greatly appreciate any insights you can offer, Thank You
This year I am going to grow Lavender & marigolds around my tomatoes. I recently read that the lavender keeps away what the marigolds don't. We will see. Last we only did the marigolds & didn't have but 2 hornworms. Got rid of them while they were quite small & that was it.
Very good thank you
great video. subscribed
Will give it a shot might make it easier to spray for root rot
This is a technique I wanna try, especially with specific heirloom tomatoes that I want quality over quantity but DIY concrete reinforcing wire tomato cages for lyfe!
If you are interested, we just posted a new video that is much more information about our low and lean method. You may find it helpful. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
I miss the San Diego climate so much! Folks back in AL are shocked when I tell them I had tomatoe plants that lived for years, having blooms, green and red tomatoes on them at the same time.
It is amazing huh?
If you live in San Diego you drink filtered toilet water. Not so appetizing when you think about. I mean my own toilet water might be okay, but the rest of you maybe not.
Have you ever used tomato hooks where as the plant reaches the top of the trellis/string, you can then unwind the string in order to lower the plant and continue upward growth? What do you do when the plant reaches the top? Do you top it off?
Here is our latest video where I really dig in deep into the low and lean method. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
I e never seen a double string used. Time to modify mine. Question; Are both strings adjustable in length?
Additional tip that I plan on trying with a system like this....just bury the string under the tomato plant when you plant it. Then you don't need those plastic clips. Charles Dowding does this;)
Very cool
Did you know....
By the time you have your 7th truss of flowers, is when your first truss is ready for harvest 😁
Love that! Thanks for sharing
you can stick the suckers in the ground and they will root. It helps to clip off most of the top growth before sticking it in the ground. If you have the space you can easily plant a second bed with them. They are already mature plants, even if they are suckers so they produce quickly.
Yes, love using suckers! If you don't have the space, share with friends!
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany Might have to put them in a plastic pot for people to take them. Most gardeners i show it to dont believe it will root and produce.
Great video thank you.
Glad you liked it!
For hornworms use a determinate tomato as a decoy. I had one ate the entire determiate tomato. The leaves are likely richer due to the short grow span.
I just discovered you so I will definitely will be checking the seed company. I am northern CA so somewhat alike weather
That's fantastic! We hope you can help!
Here is a video we just shot that is more in-depth. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
Suckers are cuttings that can grow into a whole new plant if you put them into water to grow some roots.
You are correct!
What cool weather coastal tomato varieties do you recommendv!¿!??
Thank you, you just solved my tomato dilemma 😀
Happy to help!
awesome video!!! I am going to try this method for my tomatoes this year!! as the old staking methos isn't doing so great hahahaha 😆
I posted an update video about it too just this month so be sure to check it out.
Is this trellis method feasible in Kansas, it is very windy here and I am afraid that.
Hanging them would not be so good but I love the idea. I also fear that I won't get as many tomatoes if I don't let them bush out.
Been doing that for several years now. 1 inch PVC in the greenhouse, homemade thing outside. Works awesome. 2 main differences: 1 I wind the plant around the string. It supports the plant without rubbing AND 2. figured this out finally this year. I usually drive the string into the ground but sometimes it pulls out easily. I ran a line between stakes at ground level and tied the vertical line to it. Only had to anchor it in a few spots. Doesn't pull out if it catches on my clothes or something.
Interesting that you can run 2 leaders. Gonna try that with a few. I have done that with grafted plants which grow fantastic but are expensive. Great if you don't have a lot of room. Glad I watched this.
We shot another video because so many questions came out of the first one. Check it out. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html Love to hear your feedback.
Great idea
Thank you!
How do you anchor the string?
LOVE THIS VIDEO,How far apart do you place your stakes?
It depends on your space and how many plants you are growing but about 9 feet is good (10 foot conduit with a little extra to hang over)
It would have been helpful if you showed us how you weave the tomato plant into the twine? Do you do a vertical Florida weave style within the two threads, or do you just use the two threads as if it was one thread, and clip the main stem to it as it grows?
Hey, there! You don't weave in this method. You use clips every foot or so up the main stalk to keep it growing upright along the line.
Sometimes we have heavy dry winds in Ramona, as you know? Wondering how this works at your Ramona farm? My area is exposed at present.
what are the little white circular clips?
Do you attach that near the base ?
The clips have little teeth that grab the string, and the larger circle goes around the stalk without actually clamping on it. The string will run all the way up alongside the plant to guide it, and it's tied to a stake in the ground.
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I used this system last year for the first time and yeah it was great but i see that you have doubled your string? can you tell me why you went with two lines? and did you tie it off on the vine base?
We have played around with several different version stringing up tomatoes. In the end, we liked the tomahawk system. We JUST shot a video yesterday with some in-depth information on the stringing up of the tomatoes. I will post it here once it is finished.
Hi. Wonderful video. what are the clips you use and what is the purpose of them? Do you need them? Also, do you just wine the plant around the string and that is enough to support an indeterminate tomato plant?
We use compostable plant clips (out of stock at the moment, but this gives an idea of what to look for - sandiegoseedcompany.com/product/tools-and-merchandise/compostable-plant-clips/). The clips keep your main stalk close to your string as a guide and don't really hold any weight. The clasp keeps it from slipping down, and it will just hold your plant in place.
great video! I watched Satin Farms video on this topic. I noted he stated 1/2' conduit & that you chose 3/4". I'm just interested if you feel the 3/4" is the way to go and why?? Thank you
We chose to go a little bigger in this case because of the distance between the t posts. It bends a little but it's not going to break or anything
You look like a model for gardening. Beautiful in that outfit. Gorgeous garden as well. This is the good life. Your living the dream. Thanks for share. I'm hooked on gardening at age 52 now. Life's a garden DIG IT. Guru Joe dirtai
I found some clothes-drying racks, stainless for outdoor (duh) that are like an X on each end with two upper poles about 4' high. They are perfect for this system, and after the season you just fold them up and put them away. I use a trampoline anchor to keep them from tipping over in the wind.
Such a good idea! Love it
Helpful video thanks! Can you please tell me where you got your hat ?! Or the brand? It’s beautiful! 🌻
very nice , what do you do when the plant grows taller than your trellis?
At that point, the bottom of the stalk won't have foliage anymore so we let it coil which allows the top to stay the same height.
If I may, what kind of plastic clips are you using and where can I get them.?
Great video, thanks. I think the only flaw in this system is that the vines of indeterminate tomatoes (especially cherry type) will outgrow the height of the trellis. Green house growers (myself included) use a lower and lean system to accommodate the vine growth. Having a solid top bar in your system isn't compatible with the lower and lean devices I've seen since they are designed to hook over a 9 gauge wire. You could use a wire in your system instead of EMT conduit if you somehow braced the end poles. Just an idea. I plan to use your system this year to trellis melons and train them to a single leader.
Hi! We use low and lean too- on the same system. Just hook tomahooks to a zip tie that is moveable on the conduit. It’s an improvement over this system for sure! Thanks for the great info. Here is an updated video : ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
I've found it easier to just terminate the growth when the vine reaches the top and then graft a sucker back into the base (or just force one to grow from a lower growth point) to reset the vine from the bottom.
Great vid.
After picking off the Sucker, can it be put into some seed and cutting mix to grow a new tomato plant?
Regards, Jas.
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Rockhampton Queensland Australia
Yes, but is it worth it? I did that last year and got TWO whole tomatoes from it.
great idea, but what do you have the bottom of the string attached to at the bottom that it is so tight?
We attach it with a plant clip. Check out our more detailed video here. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
I have a similar system and it works well although I don't always stay on top of the training. Do you change the location of your trellis row from year to year for the purpose of rotation?
Yes, we'll move them around, but we also add compost 1-2x a year and fertilize regularly
What is the size of the PVC T connectors?
Very well explained. Thank you!
Clever girl, I start this trick today..
What clips do you recommend? Some of the reviews I’ve read are that they disintegrate and fall apart under a few months of sunlight? Or is it a given that you just have to inspect and replace?
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How does the string attach? I'm confused about how to attach the plant and how the string is anchored.
We use compostable garden clips to link the string and the plant. They cinch down nicely on the string and have a gap around the stalk, so it gives the plant wiggle room.
As for the ground, you can tie a knot around a stake.
After trying the Florida weave two years now and struggling with it each time, I’m trying this method next year.
All about trying out new things and finding what works for you :)
Been doing this for years. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿❤
You are way ahead of us!
We have another video if you are interested. ruclips.net/video/tDL3McRkPbg/видео.html
I did the same...the tomatoes were sooooo heavy it bent the conduit pretty bad. Still the best trellis system yet for me as it is movable
Wow! Those must have been some hefty tomatoes! What do you do for fertilizing?