"The software works but the installer does not" is a tale old as the Wine itself. For some reason the issue has been ALWAYS the installers as far as I can remember with bare Wine. Valve has been rather smart how they have approached this issue: Steam client itself is the installer which removes the biggest obstacle.
dxvk doesn't like installers. Valve is slowly correcting that now but if you want installer/launcher support, REVERT wine/crossover's render translator to OGL or WineD3D native.
The fact that we're already so close to achieving mainstream programs on linux (even if the installers crash) gives me hope that in just about a year developers will have found a way to make it run perfectly, and once that's out of the way, official ways will follow. With the fast rate at which Linux is growing and improving, it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when, and I bet on it being very soon.
I don't think it's a year away, but we are getting closer. I saw a video recently that managed to get office 365 to work under ubuntu after a lot of tweaks. You could see a lot of fixme messages in the console so it's probably not really stable. I would probably give it 5-10 years.
Here's two wishful thinking. Microsoft has a lot of power and they don't want that to happen I'm sure. And other companies work closely with Microsoft and Apple.
I can't agree on the very soon aspect, but it is growing more rapidly than it ever did. This is a good thing for everyone. We're finally making it out of that small percentage and becoming more recognized. People I never thought knew about Linux were asking questions when I even briefly mentioned it. There is hope!
Porting Windows apps is not the solution. The real solution is to make better alternatives that make people and businesses WANT to take the leap. Adobe is already doing us a favor by being a pile of garbage software that people don't want to use anymore.
Well point is for some stuff is no real alternative. like for advanced vector editing. inkscape is fine, but when u push it to it's edges it gets really painful to work with it.
@@nachtpfoetchenWhat about affinity designer? It doesn't have a native Linux version, but it should be better than inkscape for vector drawings. And I think you can get it working on Linux.
Tell that to companies and offices. FreeOffice seems to do a much better job than LibreOffice for both compatibility and especially the UI which is essentially the same as MSO but companies despite all the criticism and privacy still stuck with Microsoft.
Definitely a lot. I recently used Linux for a month and I much prefer it over Windows for almost everything... but the linux version of OBStudio is missing 1 FEATURE (not even an entire app) and I had to switch back for that feature only. There is no mention of the feature ever being added and only has 2 posts on the internet about it from 3 years ago. I would use linux if that feature within OBS existed. Now I'll be using Linux for a hobby PC but can't for my main workstation.
@@MichaelNROH Transparency capture in game capture. I'm developing an overlay in Godot that requires transparency capture - it just wouldn't look anywhere near as good with chroma keying. VERY niche scenario, and unfortunately I don't see it being supported at any point.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 That's true but quality costs money. Developers have to eat. If more people would actually financially support wine development, more critical software would work under wine.
@@Wurstbrot03Uh yeah, that’s always been point of contention around adopting the open source paradigm. The question to ask is to ask is how exactly are the more successful open source projects truly being funded and sustained?
Yeah, except you know, the latest Microsoft office version with 5 stars is 2010. Office 365 has one star. Why would I pay for something that works worse? Codeweavers have serious problems, calling their main product crossover office, which is able to run a 15 year old version. No thanks.
I imagine many people have written this already, but microsoft really has no reason to support office on linux. In fact, I suspect that they sabotage it, so that you need windows to properly run their software.
They do! I waited 6 Years for the Onenote Android Tablet Version to catch up (at least a little bit) to the Version running on Surface Tablets. After all this time I can say that I have a Windows Laptop with Touch now😀
I think we need to have a community for wine scripts. That way, everyone can pool in the solutions to make it work. BTW, there is also DARLING, which aims to make macos softwares work like wine!
Part of the problem is the WINE community seems so fragmented. There are so many varieties of WINE when it seems it would make more sense for the developers to all be focusing on making the main project work as well as possible. I mean do I use Bottles, Lutris, Proton, WINE release from WineHQ or my distros version? Which version works best for the application I want to use?
I thought UWP was exclusively for Windows apps inside the Windows store. Anyway, if that's true it's really not good news because UWP is really tightened to Windows and I don't know if they will ever support UWP somehow on wine.
@@draftofspasiba2 How does UWP work? Isn't it a bit like electron? Stuff with embedded web technologies seems to break particularly often in in wine. But if that is the case there should be a way to solve some of it with a linux-side web engine.
The apps work (mostly) fine after the installation is complete so the UWP breakage is mostly negligible. I guess there might be some breakage with login screens afterwards, but that can happen on Windows as well.
@@draftofspasiba2 Yeah, they are not exclusive to the store, but are a pain to use. Besides, I might be wrong and they all use Win32. Maybe the missing piece was some obscure API (such as AppContainers) and some missing services.
@@ltxr9973 It is more like a Linux personality. It essentially changes what kind of things you can call from the kernel. It essentially blocks all Win32 APIs forcing you to use the UWP equivalent. Even a better comparison: it is like when a Flaptpak blocks file access, forcing the use of portals.
When I first moved to Linux, I was really into this "use all my previous proprietary Win/macOS apps on Linux via Wine" mindset, but even though I had great success in doing so, I started feeling weird about it, like I was missing the point of Linux and its offerings. So I eventually dropped them all and forced myself to learn to live with software natively supported by Linux, both FOSS and proprietary and I'm very happy I did.
@@impersonator4439 why would they? If they have an app they paid for, which is well made, has great interface, is supported by a big company that really cares of every aspect of this app, why would they switch to an app that has bad UI (because good programmers tend to be mediocre to bad designers) and is supported by a single guy in his basement?
@@impersonator4439That's because it's just not practical. If you use proprietary software for a living, you can't just change your tools like that, especially if you work with other people.
Lucky you, most people can't stop using the tools they use professionally because the alternatives either aren't good enough or nobody else is using them, so the formats are incompatible.
The Last time I tried running Windows apps on Linux with wine, was when Windows Vista was the most current one. None of my apps worked. Today we have Windows 11 and on the most recent Linux, none of my apps work. Great. The best Linux system, is the one you don't attach a screen to.
Which Apps do you actually use?? In most cases with Wine you just need to install the app dependencies manually.. Windows doesn't always tell which dependencies are required.. And there are quite a few different versions of Wine(Vanilla),(Staging),(TKG) even Lutris has custom Wine versions for specific apps and then we have Proton/Proton-GE which basically only works properly if used through the Steam client.. Each version offer different compatibility for different apps, but you always need all correct dependencies for each app..
Video illustrates the main reason we will probably never see mainstream desktop software fully supporting linux. It's not about installation, it's about tech support. I worked for two companies that released linux versions of their Windows/Mac desktop software. The linux version *immediately* became 90% of the tech support calls! There are too many OS level inconsistencies for the average desktop user, who just want to run desktop software first, and only need an OS installed for that to happen. In contrast, most linux users/enthusiasts run the OS/server side software first , with desktop software as a secondary consideration.
We don't need "hacked fix", we need more software like Blender which will be a better alternative to the Windows-only software and I think Microsoft and Adobe are on the case already by making their offerings bloated with AI
Sadly software like GIMP and kdenlive hasn't gotten into a dominant position like blender where it gets a lot of funding to get work done on it. Libreoffice is a bit better in this regard but still not ideal. Idk how many other foss apps will be capable of getting into a blender situation, unile with blender there are "budget"/freemium alternatives to stuff like some of the adobe suite that makes that less likely.
When people will stop treat any Linux distro as Windows they will get the point. Linux is not Windows, it's different and need completely different aproach.
Dealing with black windows I had some limited success by trying it in an X11 and Wayland session. Sometimes they can render successfully after switching the desktop session. For bottles it can also help to explicitly enable DXVK and disable VKD3D (or vice versa) in the launch options, if an application doesn't launch properly (there are default launch options and overridable for the specific start entry). Best chances with games, sometimes they support DirectX and Vulkan in theory, but can't launch with their default Rendering-API in a bottle. Disabling one explicitly enforces it to use the wrapper for the other API. My personal favorite is the Heroic Launcher, although it's main usage is intended for games. You can also add custom entries with a specific Wine/Proton version, the prefix can be somewhere else than the installed application itself. If something breaks after tinkering, just delete the prefix and start the launcher entry again, it will recreate the prefix with the selected Wine/Proton version. I just install the newest version of GE-Proton from time to time with ProtonUp-QT and set it as default Proton-Version in Heroic and for my already installed entries. The same Proton version is available for Steam too. The GloriousEggroll Proton versions have the highest successrate to run any applications under Linux for me (Arch in the past and NixOS).
As much as I love how fast Linux is moving on the desktop, I'm worried that before too long big tech is going to find some way to start disrupting. The rumor of MSFT buying Steam is just a rumor, but an example of how a key piece taken off the board could be a massive setback.
@@mexicanhalloween Dude no need to be an a hole about it, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar or something I forgot how the saying goes. Just be nice about it.
I already use linux so no honey needed. I'm just not always satisfied with the experience. I also still need to use windows for dev stuff anyways, sadly.
This was a very depressing but helpful video. I want to leave Windows and I don't want to get anything Apple. I thought Bottles was the silver bullet, but that doesn't seem to be the case :-(
Dude I WISH Amberol was on Windows. It's the sweetest looking music player a computer could have. I'm stuck with foobar2000-esque software on windows ~
@@Mario583a I'm not going to download an entire kernel, flatpak stuff, gnome application platform and a desktop session just to have a better alternative bro 💀 The worst part would be waiting like three minutes for my windows camel to launch everything
I think Adobe CC is the big one. There are no viable professional alternatives on Linux (with the exception of DaVinci perhaps). Office is much less of an issue, because there are for most use cases, and Microsoft is moving as much as it can to Office 365 anyhow. There are still some hurdles (complex Excel sheets being the main one), but you can get by mostly.
I couldn't get Adobe Illustrator CC to work on Linux. However I was able to get Adobe Illustrator CS6 work on Lutris, and it acts weird. I couldn't save to the main illustrator format, ai. I had to save everything as svg or eps formats. Not sure why it had that issue. 🤔
For me the bottleneck is VST support. Many of my windows vst plugins just do not work in wine even if some do (through yabridge). For exaple the new BEAM plugin from Lunacy, just crashes instantly. No windows free life for me :(
Linux does not support spying..... So..... Why would Adobe want to port over to something they will have no control over? Adobe has already hostaged those who make use of Adobe online cloud storage..... Why would anyone in their right minds want Adobe on foss when Adobe wants control over their patrons? Even if they port over I for one will not use their software.....
It does feel like a lot of programs that don't install would indeed work fine, if their installers weren't broken. These installers must be doing some very esoteric things for Wine to not work with them.
an old game i like is switching from ie11 to webview2 for rendering html, and it gives me hope cause wine devs probably dont care about ie11 but webview2 seens pretty important
Bro i spent 5days trying to install davinci resolve in various linux distribution like ubuntu, fedora, rocky linux. But i could not. I am using nvidia gpu. Please make a complete video guide. I watched all of your videos regarding this but none working.
@@gurpreetsingh-oo5zw The Linux version has a few limitations that are just weird, like (correct me if I'm wrong) no h.264 support in the free version. Also, DaVinci is designed for the RHEL/Fedora family of OSes, not Debian, Arch or Independent distros. (While there are ways of getting DaVinci working through containers/converting to a distro package, it's pretty finnicky & not officially supported by Blackmagic Design.) So I could understand why someone would want the Windows version, which is a lot less limited, albeit requiring Wine.
@@Mr.SuperSpeeder47 There is no need for conversion or containers to run it. Please check the latest video on channel "Explaining Computers" about Davinci Resolve. I ran this on debian 11, it works fine. It has been a while , I have not used it. For h. 264 support you have to install some extra packages, for this you have to do some research, I don't remember the exact packages, but you can surely found about them on ubuntu forums and even on arch linux forums.
The two comment above is why I will not switch to Linux. Imagine tinkering for 5 days. 5days. The worst thing is the hope that it might work and I wouldn't. Now when it works and you update your distro, something might break. Meeeen!
The only thing keeping me from fully switching over is VR I use a quest headset, steam link with ALVR and I don't think I can live without the full tracking passthrough. I am in a long distance relationship, and VR is a big part of how we spend time together, so it's very important.
Okay but why do these companies want people to use these bleeding edge versions of Office and Photoshop? IMO there's usually no good reasons why. These programs do NOT change enough for this to be necessary.
Bleeding edge is relative. Photoshop CS6 is the one that most people recommend and that's from 2012, so yeah this is why corporations use newer ones (+ they don't own the product since it's a subscription)
I had a portable version of photoshop (CS6). Pre-craked also. Install the dependencies in bottles and it works perfectly fine and with acceleration. The only limit is I can't paste things into it, but instead have to open files from File > Open.
@@BocVel older portable apps are generally the best for both windows and linux. In linux it means you don't have to install it yourself, and often times installers are glitchy. You just put it in the bottle's folder, manually install dependencies like C++ (which you only have to do once per bottle and you can have as many apps in 1 bottles as you want) and that's it.
Good video, thank you! I love Linux and have been using it for 3+ years as the main system. But the variety of choices sometimes confuses me. And I periodically start rushing between different solutions once a year, for example, in the desktop area, between GNOME and KDE. But the first one seems to me more monolithic, stable and has much fewer bugs. I always choose GNOME, whether it’s strange, I don’t know... I love GNOME, but KDE has a number of interesting attractive solutions... But at the same time, GNOME introduces new features much faster, such as the same explict sync for the 555.42 nvidia driver. Which finally fixed all the artifacts that existed and I completely switched to GNOME and Linux in conjunction with nvidia and I can play and work safely.
im a game artist. i need 3dcoat, adobe suite, zbrush, world creator, and a hundred other pieces of software that either have no linux support or out of date linux support. now i am learning new stuff like krita love it btw and blender love that too. but. if i switched now id be missing alot of stuff i routinely use now. its not as easy to switch as getting another offfice app. i use libre already at home. to switch is a long process and maybe yeah your gonna have to keep windows around for a while as duel at least. people talk about switching but they do not go deep enough into the subject for more professional situations esp in game dev or entertainment. id love to switch really im trying but man not poss yet.
6:03 They cahanged the API, now we must use NVML. I even have a working program on Wayland that controls fan, power limit and temperature thresholds. Also, some other settings can be modified with nvidia-smi.
I really can't stand Adobe anymore. They have changed so much. It is pretty much a useless type of software. The Linux PDF software is way better. For me anyway. And I would never want to install anything Microsoft on my Linux laptop.
Why not just use application like Libre Office and set the default formats to xlsx or docx. ? Why not use the default document viewer that comes with distributions like Ubuntu which will open pdf files directly. Or use the built in print to pdf funcionality?
I cannot move to Linux fully until Photoshop and Illustrator works well on Linux. Almost everything else like Office has very good alternatives whether thats in the browser or things like LibreOffice. Things like Inkscape and especially GIMP just arn’t as good or as easy to use, and haven’t been adopted in actual industries. Im not super techy either, so while I like using Linux, I like using it as a _designer_ and regular computer usage, not as a _developer_ .
You seem to have forgotten you didn't learn how to use Windows overnight..nor Adobe products..either that fast... If you'd apply yourself to learning the ins and outs of Gimp and Darktable or whatever is coherent Linux equal to Illustrator...you'd find chances are those cross platform alternatives ARE just as good...and without the bs subscription that Adobe charges their customer base. You can have results..or excuses...not both.
@@motoryzen Yeahhhh except thats literally not true. I really did learn how to use that Adobe software overnight, literally barely took me any time to learn how to use any of it. I tried way longer with Inkscape and GIMP, and its just not intuitive at all, and the UI is crap. Inkscape is OK, GIMP is genuinely an awfully designed piece of software. It doesn’t even have a simple shape tool.
@Big-Chungus21 so what you're telling me is that you learn how to use Adobe all the Adobe products and everything there is about Windows over the course of one measly night. That is that is a bigger steaming pile of bulshit then if Joe Biden walked up to me himself and told me I just won the Powerball lottery and that he can buy himself locate his own pet zipper to properly prep to urinate Not sure what planet you think you're on, but this is planet Earth and reality. You need to come back to it You're not Doogie Howser Now as far as the last part of your comment where you're talking about gimp doesn't have a single shaping tool, I don't recall my having any personal experience in dealing with a shaping tool, and I currently have no room to talk there so I need to dig into that I know Tom from Switched to Linux has experience with Gimp far more than I do...
@Big-Chungus21 no you didn't learn how to all Adobe products overnight let alone Windows as well. That is a bigger pile of bullcrap than if Joe bought himself walked up to me and told me I won the Powerball lottery that he was handing me all of it in cash, and that he can locate his own pants zipper by himself to properly prep to urinate. I don't know what planet you think you're on but this is Earth and reality you need to come back to it because you're not fooling me with that nonsense. You're not Doogie Howser Now as far as the last part of your comment talking about a shaping tool or feature or functionality within gimp, I have no room to talk yet and I need to dig into that. I do recall that Tom from switch to Linux which is one of the channels I frequently watch has much more experience in Gimp than I do and I might pick his brain about it as well
I am a Windows user thinking about trying out Linux. Is it possible to copy or clone my entire C drive and paste it into Bottles so that i don't have to (re)install everything? Does anyone know how this would work if i have mk-links (sym-links)? And if the registry editor files also are included when i copy or clone the C drive? And how does it work when certain companies only have online activation? Do they still work?
The only thing which still ties me to Windows is OpenCL. It simply doesn't work in Linux unless you have the latest AMD cards. Even if you install earlier versions of AMD drivers, they conflict with the open source ones or some programs will refuse to work with older drivers. This is thanks to AMD ending support on GFX8 cards on ROCM 5.x and above.
The problem with Wine is that it simply doesn't work properly. It's very complex and a lot of applications, specially web apps and things that require a lot of components will require a lot of hacks, if you can even get them to work at all. It's been always like this and I don't think at this point it's going to get much better. If you don't need to install fonts, install components or do library overrides, you might even have a better chance at using proton tbh (install steam, add your program as a non-steam application, and then run it with proton through the compatibility settings). Also you don't have to use the default prefix of wine, you can make different profiles for different applications if you want to (which is what bottles does, but without the GUI). But to be fair, if you need to use applications because your job demands it, you're better off using a virtual machine with Windows 10 or whatever. Like, seriously, don't even bother with Wine.
Recently jumped back into Linux, PopOS keeps disconnecting from internet :/ Was gonna disable EEE and power saving but don't have grub and my instructions use that
That would work if there are actually were alternatives. But even if you did find an alternative that was actually good enough, it wouldn't matter if nobody else is using it, because the format wouldn't be compatible.
Of which there are none. GIMP or Krita are not even close to Photoshop alternatives and MS Office alternatives don't behave consistently, especially the spreadsheets
@@bleack8701GIMP is especially awful imo. Genuinely a nightmare to use, a lot of these applications arn’t designed for the people who would actually be using them. I always thought I was crap at image editing etc and was too stupid to learn it, until I tried Photoshop.
Why does the term Newspeak come to mind whenever I see each Linux video... “The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of [Linux], but to make all other modes of thought impossible.” -George Orwell
That does not even make sense. Linux is an operating system use it or don't no one cares. You could kinda make that argument for some of the cultish apple users I guess.
@@Compact-Disc_700mb Exactly! Use it or don't. There's no need to act like a sleazy cult leader with a pasted on fake looking happy face, acting like its all sunshine and rainbows, ignoring its limitations (don't look behind that curtain of [Whatever], the Great and Powerful), that's trying to con others to use Linux or Mac or... Whatever, like they do! Use It Or Don't. Stop the Preaching!
it would be amazing to have a 1 to 1 working version of voicemeeter potato on there, i remember someone getting it to work but it only said "pulseaudio" for every input and output
the best way to deal with these softwares is to keep both os, one for work and one for daily use, use Ps only in your work laptop and the rest in your linux machine
If the person really needs a app only available on Windows, they should just stick to Windows. Operational systems are tools, and we should choose the tool that suits the job the best.
With Windows fittin to put full on spyware into the OS with recall, I think this line of thinking is going to fall by the wayside in any company working with trade secrets / sensitive data.
Guys stop parroting this "just a tool" argument. This mindset is literally promoting proprietary software because "it just works who cares if it is proprietary??" Foss is more than just a tool which just worksTM, do you really wanna say that using wine and proton is objectively a better tool than doing all of it natively on windows? Of course not, we use it for many different reasons which have nothing to do with "just works" logic, maybe only in some parts but generally using linux is less convenient than using windows which might change only when linux become mainstream but before that this logic definitely doesnt apply
@@miavelvet There is space for both proprietary and open-source software, and as someone that uses my PC for work, I will prefer software that suits the task at hand the best, of course open-source software is preferred but if there are no alternatives I will gladly use proprietary software that actually works.
@@athirsonsilva3808 there is a big difference between "i have to use it for my work because i have no other choice *sadly*" and "i will use it *gladly*". I personally will never use it gladly and i despise proprietary software on many different levels. If i actually have no other choice and i really need it for my job thats a different story of course
this is why windows will always be easier to use because on windows things just work without workarounds or alternatives that are hard to find, but at the sametime this is why we have dual boots and vms, just use a vm if you need windows apps.
Well "it just works" on Windows because of that it has been the majority platform. But it's now constantly loosing market share, and soon it will be either Android or iOS that are the only platforms where things "just work".
I like Bottles, but I would rather support Crossover from Codeweavers since they actually employ a respectable amount of Wine devs and they also contribute big time upstream and they're the driving force behind Steam's Proton (working with Valve). I just wish Crossover had an official Flatpak and Snap version available through the known software centers though, that would make things easier for the normal joe to know and find out about it.
Porting, switching is an absolute headache to most people. I have a better solution, instead of running from here and there, we should fight and pass a law that prevents any big corporations form becoming shills, we also need people to enforce that law.
the only thing that keep me from daily driving Linux is the Autodesk programs, especially Autocad, Revit and civil 3D there are some alternatives for CAD programs but in my opinion they don't come close to the applications I need.
I feel like with Surveying programs you're gonna have to stick to Windows. Like 95% of regular desktop users (yes even Windows users) will never even know Autodesk is a thing. It'd be tough to get a popularity big enough to port Autodesk outside of Windows.
They are all fine until your employer sends you a form already modified by Acrobat. Then you can't see half the filled forms and they can't see the ones you filled out.
@@burningwp It's not just forms; there are more issues. Let me provide you with further details. When I try the same thing and attempt to open it in Linux...
@@burningwp I download a PDF form example and open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat. It changes a little bit, and when I open it in LibreOffice Draw, there's no problem; everything is fine. After making some more changes and saving it as a .pdf file, I open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat, and it still works fine. Perhaps it's a problem specific to the desktop version of Adobe Acrobat.
@@ShadowManceri AMD obviously isn't a reliable source for information disparaging them... Though I would be curious where their bug tacker is if not the mesa gitlab project?
@@cheako91155 Mesa is not an AMD project. Mesa is 3D graphics library that hold open source implementation for Vulkan, OpenGL etc. It then converts those API's into various vendors graphics drivers. Such as Intel, AMD and Nvidia. So bug in Mesa isn't AMD bug, at least directly. It might be related to a bug in AMD drivers, or any other vendor.
for me why i don't use linux is literally because of driver support. for example, i have a mediatek wifi card and that card to be exact has no drivers at all working on linux. mediatek is really slow with driver adaption for linux for some reason, and having no wifi would make my use case really impratical.
I wonder if they could make office and photo shop work on Wine, seems like just a Wine bug to be honest. There can be bugs like that, for example before Roblox officially killed Linux support with anit cheat, the only thing stopping it from working was a mouse bug out of all things
I'm willing to deal with lots of annoyances, if I can play all my games without issues, configure all my hardware, and run any productivity software. Not to mention other QoL issues such as full HD streaming. I'm stuck at 480p on Prime and 720p on Netflix. Yuck!
Thats not a QoL issue, thats Amazon, Netflix and other Video Streaming services being fecking dicks. They actively serve you shittier quality because you use Linux.
at the end of the day, you will have to leave the windows ecosystem and move to the Linux world, if you locked yourself to the windows system, there is no helping you, and the effort should be put into making the Linux / open source / free software world better and not to adhere to the proclivities of the closed sourced windows system. Windows and it's software will eventually render itself undesirable by keeping on adding restrictions and intrusions into the users personal space. The Linux platform is perfectly usable and very functional, the application to get the job done are plenty available and are good quality, and no, they are neither feature parity, nor should they be. the users will have to make the hard choice.
Since Windows is such a different OS than Linux, why don't we use MacOS version of software? Since MacOS is Unix based and has a similar file structure style, doesn't it make more sense to use MacOS native apps rather than Windows?
@@meemon7580 Yes, but it has different APIs and different executable format. I doubt it's easier to run MacOS software on Linux compared to Windows software
@@meemon7580 The entire point of using a Mac is content creation work specifically involving Final Cut Pro X and some music production Otherwise..you're wasting 20% extra money on something shiny and just as if not more locked than than Winturd. The only way you'll get support for a Mac version of software is if you can fool them into thinking you are running an actual MAC computer. Apple computer company may be just as big of software nazis as microcrap..but crapple isn't stupid and their sites/domains can tell what you're running.
My deal was with music software and all the licensing. It's sad because there's not an excuse. Tracktion Waveform and Renoise tracker are stellar examples of what should happen for Linux. I push away from the Foss crowd because we have lost money opportunity. Not everything has to be open source and free.
@@musicalneptunian Ya, this choice for audio on linux was simple for me. Low latency, no OS services getting in the way. Ladspa plugins actually fly like a scalded ape. I had NI Komplete Synths. They basically expect you to buy new for each machine. That's like buying a new guitar every time you build a new system. I have Win on an nvme with FL Studio, I leave it, pulled the drive out.
The moment Adobe CC works on Linux is the moment I'll jump the Windows ship forever. They can keep their shitty spying ads-riddled AI garbage OS for themselves. In the last 5 years Linux made massive leaps forward in the gaming aspect (thanks Gabe) and with SteamOS on the horizon I think gaming will be great on Linux soonTM. But I have to work with Adobe and there's simply no viable alternative (Thanks for buying up and then trashing every good one, Adobe...) that is professional/mature enough.
Office 365 code is setup to access APIs that are currently not written in to Wine yet. They are too proprietary. 365 is a data collector anyway; why would anyone want that on their Linux system in the first place?
Because it is still one of the best office suites. Excel really does not have a full alternative. And if the company pays, most people really don't care all that much.
@@EraYaN It is the best when they are not including telemetry. My data is my own and not meant to be examined by a third party. If I am doing some form of spreadsheet for a client, that data does not belong to M$, regardless they wrote the code. I will not compromise safety to satisfy a money hungry monopoly. There are many FOSS devs designing extensions and addons for free office suites that do similar things, (not all, I concede) that 365 is capable of. I'd rather adapt to the small learning curve.
To me, these installer problems sound very like a "works as designed" problem. In other words, they do NOT want it to install and run on Linux. They are protecting the MS mother ship. I don't actually care anymore. I have software that runs on Linux natively, and since I retried bur still very active in the IT world, what I have is good enough for *everything*.
i wish adobe would make it work on linux. that is the only thing holding me back from switching to linux full time. i use ubuntu on my old laptop and will soon use it on my laser computer. but my desktop and other laptop im using win 11
69% and then stops is no coincidence. fully intentional. btw, this is the same story with itoons for me :( also, some emulators, but not all, are bad. xenia and the canary version always crash. only thing i really use bottles/wine for is ea app. and even then, i'm kinda done with EA. if anyone is wondering, it works fine.
I'm not sure what browser you're using, I like that it has user-agent controls exposed to the user by default, I really hope it's not a chrome based browser though.
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"The software works but the installer does not" is a tale old as the Wine itself. For some reason the issue has been ALWAYS the installers as far as I can remember with bare Wine. Valve has been rather smart how they have approached this issue: Steam client itself is the installer which removes the biggest obstacle.
dxvk doesn't like installers. Valve is slowly correcting that now but if you want installer/launcher support, REVERT wine/crossover's render translator to OGL or WineD3D native.
The Softewar Works bu the User not
I think bottles goes the right way with its community installation scripts
it seems to be some sort of implemented drm fr
@@xard64 I wonder why? What is it about installer that they are hard to make work under wine?
It would be really nice if the companies just offered a flatpack. It could still communicate with the license servers.
The fact that we're already so close to achieving mainstream programs on linux (even if the installers crash) gives me hope that in just about a year developers will have found a way to make it run perfectly, and once that's out of the way, official ways will follow. With the fast rate at which Linux is growing and improving, it's not a matter of if, but a matter of when, and I bet on it being very soon.
I don't think it's a year away, but we are getting closer. I saw a video recently that managed to get office 365 to work under ubuntu after a lot of tweaks. You could see a lot of fixme messages in the console so it's probably not really stable.
I would probably give it 5-10 years.
Hopeful!
Here's two wishful thinking. Microsoft has a lot of power and they don't want that to happen I'm sure. And other companies work closely with Microsoft and Apple.
I can't agree on the very soon aspect, but it is growing more rapidly than it ever did. This is a good thing for everyone. We're finally making it out of that small percentage and becoming more recognized. People I never thought knew about Linux were asking questions when I even briefly mentioned it. There is hope!
It always “a year away”.
using windows makes me feel dirty
Your brother''s got the other one? [hint: look up Max Headroom TV interruption]
lol it should, as one of the founders was besties with Epstein haha
@Idk02- Bill Gates of course! He was visiting pdffile island multiple times times
Now they have new spyware feature calling recall💀💀💀💀
Exactly!
Porting Windows apps is not the solution. The real solution is to make better alternatives that make people and businesses WANT to take the leap. Adobe is already doing us a favor by being a pile of garbage software that people don't want to use anymore.
Well point is for some stuff is no real alternative. like for advanced vector editing. inkscape is fine, but when u push it to it's edges it gets really painful to work with it.
@@nachtpfoetchen yeah it's really hard to have professional apps when most projects are run by a couple dudes in their free time. So sad really.
@@nachtpfoetchenWhat about affinity designer? It doesn't have a native Linux version, but it should be better than inkscape for vector drawings. And I think you can get it working on Linux.
The software is good. You can't win by underestimating the opponent. The issue is the subscription
Tell that to companies and offices. FreeOffice seems to do a much better job than LibreOffice for both compatibility and especially the UI which is essentially the same as MSO but companies despite all the criticism and privacy still stuck with Microsoft.
I wonder how many people are stuck on windows because of that one bit of software that they cannot live without and that doesn't have an alternative.
Definitely a lot. I recently used Linux for a month and I much prefer it over Windows for almost everything... but the linux version of OBStudio is missing 1 FEATURE (not even an entire app) and I had to switch back for that feature only.
There is no mention of the feature ever being added and only has 2 posts on the internet about it from 3 years ago. I would use linux if that feature within OBS existed. Now I'll be using Linux for a hobby PC but can't for my main workstation.
For that little bit, they can do in a virtual machine.
@Danielfenner That feature being?
@@STONE69_ true but most people wouldnt want a VM just to use windows why not just use one os for everything ?
@@MichaelNROH Transparency capture in game capture. I'm developing an overlay in Godot that requires transparency capture - it just wouldn't look anywhere near as good with chroma keying.
VERY niche scenario, and unfortunately I don't see it being supported at any point.
Having to Google everything to figure out how to do anything is very annoying and I can’t do everything. I still try though and keep learning.
0:36 I find it quite funny/tragic how almost everyone ignores Codeweaver's Crossover, as they are the actual main wine developers.
its not free.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 That's true but quality costs money. Developers have to eat. If more people would actually financially support wine development, more critical software would work under wine.
@@Wurstbrot03Uh yeah, that’s always been point of contention around adopting the open source paradigm. The question to ask is to ask is how exactly are the more successful open source projects truly being funded and sustained?
@Wurstbrot03 people will never be able to support wine sufficiently to make anything worthwhile happen. Business orders are biggest source of revenue
Yeah, except you know, the latest Microsoft office version with 5 stars is 2010. Office 365 has one star.
Why would I pay for something that works worse? Codeweavers have serious problems, calling their main product crossover office, which is able to run a 15 year old version.
No thanks.
I imagine many people have written this already, but microsoft really has no reason to support office on linux. In fact, I suspect that they sabotage it, so that you need windows to properly run their software.
They do! I waited 6 Years for the Onenote Android Tablet Version to catch up (at least a little bit) to the Version running on Surface Tablets.
After all this time I can say that I have a Windows Laptop with Touch now😀
The abrupt "wherever you a-" got me 😂
Yeah, I honestly don't know what happened here. The source file is longer for some reason
8:57
I think we need to have a community for wine scripts. That way, everyone can pool in the solutions to make it work. BTW, there is also DARLING, which aims to make macos softwares work like wine!
Part of the problem is the WINE community seems so fragmented. There are so many varieties of WINE when it seems it would make more sense for the developers to all be focusing on making the main project work as well as possible.
I mean do I use Bottles, Lutris, Proton, WINE release from WineHQ or my distros version? Which version works best for the application I want to use?
Maybe it's time for a LSW - Linux Subsystem for Windows
Or virt-manager a Windows VM.
honestly it should be the inverse. microsoft naming it wsl makes no sense
Far as I am aware, some of these apps use UWP API and WINE doesn't support it yet.
I thought UWP was exclusively for Windows apps inside the Windows store. Anyway, if that's true it's really not good news because UWP is really tightened to Windows and I don't know if they will ever support UWP somehow on wine.
@@draftofspasiba2 How does UWP work? Isn't it a bit like electron? Stuff with embedded web technologies seems to break particularly often in in wine. But if that is the case there should be a way to solve some of it with a linux-side web engine.
The apps work (mostly) fine after the installation is complete so the UWP breakage is mostly negligible.
I guess there might be some breakage with login screens afterwards, but that can happen on Windows as well.
@@draftofspasiba2 Yeah, they are not exclusive to the store, but are a pain to use.
Besides, I might be wrong and they all use Win32. Maybe the missing piece was some obscure API (such as AppContainers) and some missing services.
@@ltxr9973 It is more like a Linux personality. It essentially changes what kind of things you can call from the kernel.
It essentially blocks all Win32 APIs forcing you to use the UWP equivalent.
Even a better comparison: it is like when a Flaptpak blocks file access, forcing the use of portals.
When I first moved to Linux, I was really into this "use all my previous proprietary Win/macOS apps on Linux via Wine" mindset, but even though I had great success in doing so, I started feeling weird about it, like I was missing the point of Linux and its offerings. So I eventually dropped them all and forced myself to learn to live with software natively supported by Linux, both FOSS and proprietary and I'm very happy I did.
But 90% of people won't.
@@impersonator4439 I'm happy to pirate rubbish companies like Adobe.
@@impersonator4439 why would they? If they have an app they paid for, which is well made, has great interface, is supported by a big company that really cares of every aspect of this app, why would they switch to an app that has bad UI (because good programmers tend to be mediocre to bad designers) and is supported by a single guy in his basement?
@@impersonator4439That's because it's just not practical. If you use proprietary software for a living, you can't just change your tools like that, especially if you work with other people.
Lucky you, most people can't stop using the tools they use professionally because the alternatives either aren't good enough or nobody else is using them, so the formats are incompatible.
The Last time I tried running Windows apps on Linux with wine, was when Windows Vista was the most current one. None of my apps worked. Today we have Windows 11 and on the most recent Linux, none of my apps work.
Great.
The best Linux system, is the one you don't attach a screen to.
Which Apps do you actually use?? In most cases with Wine you just need to install the app dependencies manually.. Windows doesn't always tell which dependencies are required..
And there are quite a few different versions of Wine(Vanilla),(Staging),(TKG) even Lutris has custom Wine versions for specific apps and then we have Proton/Proton-GE which basically only works properly if used through the Steam client.. Each version offer different compatibility for different apps, but you always need all correct dependencies for each app..
Video illustrates the main reason we will probably never see mainstream desktop software fully supporting linux. It's not about installation, it's about tech support. I worked for two companies that released linux versions of their Windows/Mac desktop software. The linux version *immediately* became 90% of the tech support calls!
There are too many OS level inconsistencies for the average desktop user, who just want to run desktop software first, and only need an OS installed for that to happen. In contrast, most linux users/enthusiasts run the OS/server side software first , with desktop software as a secondary consideration.
I think most of the issues could be addressed by using a container solution like flatpak, but yeah I can imagine it is a nightmare.
We don't need "hacked fix", we need more software like Blender which will be a better alternative to the Windows-only software and I think Microsoft and Adobe are on the case already by making their offerings bloated with AI
Sadly software like GIMP and kdenlive hasn't gotten into a dominant position like blender where it gets a lot of funding to get work done on it. Libreoffice is a bit better in this regard but still not ideal. Idk how many other foss apps will be capable of getting into a blender situation, unile with blender there are "budget"/freemium alternatives to stuff like some of the adobe suite that makes that less likely.
It should be possible for wine/bottles devs to debug the wine runtime and figure out what the installer is trying go call, isolate it and fix it
Maybe I'm getting into this as well. I think that the errors are minor, but I need to invest a lot more time
@@MichaelNROH Challenge excepted for me too now, going to try to help figure it out. If I find a solution, I will update my comment.
When people will stop treat any Linux distro as Windows they will get the point. Linux is not Windows, it's different and need completely different aproach.
Dealing with black windows I had some limited success by trying it in an X11 and Wayland session. Sometimes they can render successfully after switching the desktop session.
For bottles it can also help to explicitly enable DXVK and disable VKD3D (or vice versa) in the launch options, if an application doesn't launch properly (there are default launch options and overridable for the specific start entry). Best chances with games, sometimes they support DirectX and Vulkan in theory, but can't launch with their default Rendering-API in a bottle. Disabling one explicitly enforces it to use the wrapper for the other API.
My personal favorite is the Heroic Launcher, although it's main usage is intended for games. You can also add custom entries with a specific Wine/Proton version, the prefix can be somewhere else than the installed application itself. If something breaks after tinkering, just delete the prefix and start the launcher entry again, it will recreate the prefix with the selected Wine/Proton version. I just install the newest version of GE-Proton from time to time with ProtonUp-QT and set it as default Proton-Version in Heroic and for my already installed entries. The same Proton version is available for Steam too. The GloriousEggroll Proton versions have the highest successrate to run any applications under Linux for me (Arch in the past and NixOS).
As much as I love how fast Linux is moving on the desktop, I'm worried that before too long big tech is going to find some way to start disrupting. The rumor of MSFT buying Steam is just a rumor, but an example of how a key piece taken off the board could be a massive setback.
Linux on the desktop: always _almost_ working
lol, "I choose to remain livestock because freedom has a poor onboarding process", thanks for posting your L I guess
@@mexicanhalloween man can't handle facts
Idk man I use it just fine with no issues. It is just another OS option no need to hate on it for existing.
@@mexicanhalloween Dude no need to be an a hole about it, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar or something I forgot how the saying goes. Just be nice about it.
I already use linux so no honey needed. I'm just not always satisfied with the experience. I also still need to use windows for dev stuff anyways, sadly.
This was a very depressing but helpful video. I want to leave Windows and I don't want to get anything Apple. I thought Bottles was the silver bullet, but that doesn't seem to be the case :-(
2:29 Up till 69% 😅 hahaha Microsoft way of trolling.
When I switched over to Linux I was all about trying to run Windows programs, but whenever I need to run Windows now, I have the opposite problem lol
Dude I WISH Amberol was on Windows. It's the sweetest looking music player a computer could have. I'm stuck with foobar2000-esque software on windows ~
@@bvd_vlvd AIMP isnt too bad
@@bvd_vlvd Why not try WSL for you Linux thingies on Windows?
@@Mario583a I'm not going to download an entire kernel, flatpak stuff, gnome application platform and a desktop session just to have a better alternative bro 💀
The worst part would be waiting like three minutes for my windows camel to launch everything
I think Adobe CC is the big one. There are no viable professional alternatives on Linux (with the exception of DaVinci perhaps). Office is much less of an issue, because there are for most use cases, and Microsoft is moving as much as it can to Office 365 anyhow. There are still some hurdles (complex Excel sheets being the main one), but you can get by mostly.
I couldn't get Adobe Illustrator CC to work on Linux. However I was able to get Adobe Illustrator CS6 work on Lutris, and it acts weird. I couldn't save to the main illustrator format, ai. I had to save everything as svg or eps formats. Not sure why it had that issue. 🤔
Makes me wonder if the MSI- installer file is checking the FAT, and it sees EXT3 or EXT4 , and the installer grinds to a halt ???
What say you all ??
linux desktop is so ready boys
For me the bottleneck is VST support. Many of my windows vst plugins just do not work in wine even if some do (through yabridge). For exaple the new BEAM plugin from Lunacy, just crashes instantly. No windows free life for me :(
With Micro$oft's Recall bs, Adobe would be really really stupid if they didn't just bring their software to Linux.
Linux does not support spying..... So..... Why would Adobe want to port over to something they will have no control over? Adobe has already hostaged those who make use of Adobe online cloud storage..... Why would anyone in their right minds want Adobe on foss when Adobe wants control over their patrons? Even if they port over I for one will not use their software.....
It does feel like a lot of programs that don't install would indeed work fine, if their installers weren't broken.
These installers must be doing some very esoteric things for Wine to not work with them.
an old game i like is switching from ie11 to webview2 for rendering html, and it gives me hope cause wine devs probably dont care about ie11 but webview2 seens pretty important
Bro i spent 5days trying to install davinci resolve in various linux distribution like ubuntu, fedora, rocky linux. But i could not. I am using nvidia gpu. Please make a complete video guide. I watched all of your videos regarding this but none working.
did you tried native linux version of davinci resolve???
@@gurpreetsingh-oo5zw The Linux version has a few limitations that are just weird, like (correct me if I'm wrong) no h.264 support in the free version. Also, DaVinci is designed for the RHEL/Fedora family of OSes, not Debian, Arch or Independent distros. (While there are ways of getting DaVinci working through containers/converting to a distro package, it's pretty finnicky & not officially supported by Blackmagic Design.) So I could understand why someone would want the Windows version, which is a lot less limited, albeit requiring Wine.
@@Mr.SuperSpeeder47 There is no need for conversion or containers to run it. Please check the latest video on channel "Explaining Computers" about Davinci Resolve. I ran this on debian 11, it works fine. It has been a while , I have not used it. For h. 264 support you have to install some extra packages, for this you have to do some research, I don't remember the exact packages, but you can surely found about them on ubuntu forums and even on arch linux forums.
The two comment above is why I will not switch to Linux. Imagine tinkering for 5 days. 5days. The worst thing is the hope that it might work and I wouldn't. Now when it works and you update your distro, something might break. Meeeen!
I would recommend LACT over core control especially on GNOME
Came here to say the same thing. LACT is great.
The only thing keeping me from fully switching over is VR I use a quest headset, steam link with ALVR and I don't think I can live without the full tracking passthrough. I am in a long distance relationship, and VR is a big part of how we spend time together, so it's very important.
Valve's working on it. In the meantime get an HTC Vive or Valve Index
Okay but why do these companies want people to use these bleeding edge versions of Office and Photoshop? IMO there's usually no good reasons why. These programs do NOT change enough for this to be necessary.
Bleeding edge is relative. Photoshop CS6 is the one that most people recommend and that's from 2012, so yeah this is why corporations use newer ones (+ they don't own the product since it's a subscription)
I had a portable version of photoshop (CS6). Pre-craked also. Install the dependencies in bottles and it works perfectly fine and with acceleration. The only limit is I can't paste things into it, but instead have to open files from File > Open.
Do portable apps work fine with bottles? Haven't been able to use them in the machines that use linux before but I might give bottles a try
@@BocVel older portable apps are generally the best for both windows and linux. In linux it means you don't have to install it yourself, and often times installers are glitchy. You just put it in the bottle's folder, manually install dependencies like C++ (which you only have to do once per bottle and you can have as many apps in 1 bottles as you want) and that's it.
I'm so glad I have no need to use Office or Adobe. What a pain in the ass that is to futz around and try and get them to work in Linux.
Good video, thank you! I love Linux and have been using it for 3+ years as the main system. But the variety of choices sometimes confuses me. And I periodically start rushing between different solutions once a year, for example, in the desktop area, between GNOME and KDE. But the first one seems to me more monolithic, stable and has much fewer bugs. I always choose GNOME, whether it’s strange, I don’t know... I love GNOME, but KDE has a number of interesting attractive solutions... But at the same time, GNOME introduces new features much faster, such as the same explict sync for the 555.42 nvidia driver. Which finally fixed all the artifacts that existed and I completely switched to GNOME and Linux in conjunction with nvidia and I can play and work safely.
im a game artist. i need 3dcoat, adobe suite, zbrush, world creator, and a hundred other pieces of software that either have no linux support or out of date linux support. now i am learning new stuff like krita love it btw and blender love that too. but. if i switched now id be missing alot of stuff i routinely use now. its not as easy to switch as getting another offfice app. i use libre already at home. to switch is a long process and maybe yeah your gonna have to keep windows around for a while as duel at least. people talk about switching but they do not go deep enough into the subject for more professional situations esp in game dev or entertainment. id love to switch really im trying but man not poss yet.
6:03 They cahanged the API, now we must use NVML. I even have a working program on Wayland that controls fan, power limit and temperature thresholds.
Also, some other settings can be modified with nvidia-smi.
Ah, that's good to know
Office 365 probably ties into a lot of microsoft services since it looks at what account is signed in etc. even mail linking.
Bottles has problems loading some of Windows installers...
If it fails, try loading exe files directly with wine
This works for me
I really can't stand Adobe anymore. They have changed so much. It is pretty much a useless type of software. The Linux PDF software is way better. For me anyway. And I would never want to install anything Microsoft on my Linux laptop.
Why not just use application like Libre Office and set the default formats to xlsx or docx. ?
Why not use the default document viewer that comes with distributions like Ubuntu which will open pdf files directly. Or use the built in print to pdf funcionality?
I cannot move to Linux fully until Photoshop and Illustrator works well on Linux. Almost everything else like Office has very good alternatives whether thats in the browser or things like LibreOffice.
Things like Inkscape and especially GIMP just arn’t as good or as easy to use, and haven’t been adopted in actual industries. Im not super techy either, so while I like using Linux, I like using it as a _designer_ and regular computer usage, not as a _developer_ .
You seem to have forgotten you didn't learn how to use Windows overnight..nor Adobe products..either that fast... If you'd apply yourself to learning the ins and outs of Gimp and Darktable or whatever is coherent Linux equal to Illustrator...you'd find chances are those cross platform alternatives ARE just as good...and without the bs subscription that Adobe charges their customer base.
You can have results..or excuses...not both.
@@motoryzen Yeahhhh except thats literally not true. I really did learn how to use that Adobe software overnight, literally barely took me any time to learn how to use any of it. I tried way longer with Inkscape and GIMP, and its just not intuitive at all, and the UI is crap. Inkscape is OK, GIMP is genuinely an awfully designed piece of software. It doesn’t even have a simple shape tool.
Gimp 3 lands soon you can try 2.99.10 for now. 😁
@Big-Chungus21 so what you're telling me is that you learn how to use Adobe all the Adobe products and everything there is about Windows over the course of one measly night. That is that is a bigger steaming pile of bulshit then if Joe Biden walked up to me himself and told me I just won the Powerball lottery and that he can buy himself locate his own pet zipper to properly prep to urinate
Not sure what planet you think you're on, but this is planet Earth and reality. You need to come back to it
You're not Doogie Howser
Now as far as the last part of your comment where you're talking about gimp doesn't have a single shaping tool, I don't recall my having any personal experience in dealing with a shaping tool, and I currently have no room to talk there so I need to dig into that
I know Tom from Switched to Linux has experience with Gimp far more than I do...
@Big-Chungus21 no you didn't learn how to all Adobe products overnight let alone Windows as well. That is a bigger pile of bullcrap than if Joe bought himself walked up to me and told me I won the Powerball lottery that he was handing me all of it in cash, and that he can locate his own pants zipper by himself to properly prep to urinate. I don't know what planet you think you're on but this is Earth and reality you need to come back to it because you're not fooling me with that nonsense. You're not Doogie Howser
Now as far as the last part of your comment talking about a shaping tool or feature or functionality within gimp, I have no room to talk yet and I need to dig into that. I do recall that Tom from switch to Linux which is one of the channels I frequently watch has much more experience in Gimp than I do and I might pick his brain about it as well
I am a Windows user thinking about trying out Linux. Is it possible to copy or clone my entire C drive and paste it into Bottles so that i don't have to (re)install everything? Does anyone know how this would work if i have mk-links (sym-links)? And if the registry editor files also are included when i copy or clone the C drive? And how does it work when certain companies only have online activation? Do they still work?
The only thing which still ties me to Windows is OpenCL. It simply doesn't work in Linux unless you have the latest AMD cards. Even if you install earlier versions of AMD drivers, they conflict with the open source ones or some programs will refuse to work with older drivers. This is thanks to AMD ending support on GFX8 cards on ROCM 5.x and above.
The problem with Wine is that it simply doesn't work properly. It's very complex and a lot of applications, specially web apps and things that require a lot of components will require a lot of hacks, if you can even get them to work at all. It's been always like this and I don't think at this point it's going to get much better. If you don't need to install fonts, install components or do library overrides, you might even have a better chance at using proton tbh (install steam, add your program as a non-steam application, and then run it with proton through the compatibility settings). Also you don't have to use the default prefix of wine, you can make different profiles for different applications if you want to (which is what bottles does, but without the GUI). But to be fair, if you need to use applications because your job demands it, you're better off using a virtual machine with Windows 10 or whatever. Like, seriously, don't even bother with Wine.
If we could figure out how to port Edge's WebView2 to a Linux environment, we'd be all set.
WebView2 is actually compatible. Not sure how updated it is though
best is to have a ksam running where you can access your desktop directly in broweser right now, I guess
I, personally have switched myself to full time OnlyOffice. I can't live with the Office 365 hellscape
Recently jumped back into Linux, PopOS keeps disconnecting from internet :/
Was gonna disable EEE and power saving but don't have grub and my instructions use that
What if you didn't have to deal with the DRM... Would that help with compatibility? Imagine if sailing the high seas is easier than paying money.
The best thing people can do is to use the alternatives
That would work if there are actually were alternatives. But even if you did find an alternative that was actually good enough, it wouldn't matter if nobody else is using it, because the format wouldn't be compatible.
Of which there are none. GIMP or Krita are not even close to Photoshop alternatives and MS Office alternatives don't behave consistently, especially the spreadsheets
@@bleack8701 alternatives, not drop in replacements.
The only good free alternative to what most people want to use is wps office and blender. The rest is just crap ware
@@bleack8701GIMP is especially awful imo. Genuinely a nightmare to use, a lot of these applications arn’t designed for the people who would actually be using them. I always thought I was crap at image editing etc and was too stupid to learn it, until I tried Photoshop.
Why does the term Newspeak come to mind whenever I see each Linux video...
“The purpose of Newspeak was not only to provide a medium of expression for the world-view and mental habits proper to the devotees of [Linux], but to make all other modes of thought impossible.” -George Orwell
That does not even make sense. Linux is an operating system use it or don't no one cares. You could kinda make that argument for some of the cultish apple users I guess.
@@Compact-Disc_700mb Exactly! Use it or don't. There's no need to act like a sleazy cult leader with a pasted on fake looking happy face, acting like its all sunshine and rainbows, ignoring its limitations (don't look behind that curtain of [Whatever], the Great and Powerful), that's trying to con others to use Linux or Mac or... Whatever, like they do!
Use It Or Don't.
Stop the Preaching!
it would be amazing to have a 1 to 1 working version of voicemeeter potato on there, i remember someone getting it to work but it only said "pulseaudio" for every input and output
the best way to deal with these softwares is to keep both os, one for work and one for daily use, use Ps only in your work laptop and the rest in your linux machine
If the person really needs a app only available on Windows, they should just stick to Windows. Operational systems are tools, and we should choose the tool that suits the job the best.
With Windows fittin to put full on spyware into the OS with recall, I think this line of thinking is going to fall by the wayside in any company working with trade secrets / sensitive data.
Problem is Windows is becoming more and more spyware. Secondly if you don’t want to support a company that is pure evil like microsoft.
Guys stop parroting this "just a tool" argument. This mindset is literally promoting proprietary software because "it just works who cares if it is proprietary??" Foss is more than just a tool which just worksTM, do you really wanna say that using wine and proton is objectively a better tool than doing all of it natively on windows? Of course not, we use it for many different reasons which have nothing to do with "just works" logic, maybe only in some parts but generally using linux is less convenient than using windows which might change only when linux become mainstream but before that this logic definitely doesnt apply
@@miavelvet There is space for both proprietary and open-source software, and as someone that uses my PC for work, I will prefer software that suits the task at hand the best, of course open-source software is preferred but if there are no alternatives I will gladly use proprietary software that actually works.
@@athirsonsilva3808 there is a big difference between "i have to use it for my work because i have no other choice *sadly*" and "i will use it *gladly*". I personally will never use it gladly and i despise proprietary software on many different levels. If i actually have no other choice and i really need it for my job thats a different story of course
Anyone who needs Wine professionally would rather use Windows, so Wine gets less attention
this is why windows will always be easier to use because on windows things just work without workarounds or alternatives that are hard to find,
but at the sametime this is why we have dual boots and vms, just use a vm if you need windows apps.
Well "it just works" on Windows because of that it has been the majority platform.
But it's now constantly loosing market share, and soon it will be either Android or iOS that are the only platforms where things "just work".
The more people switch the more those apps will be available. Be a grown up for a change.
7:10 it's curious because Teams came back to Linux again
I stopped using Microsoft over 20 years ago. So glad I did
I dont know but isn't pipewire the default in most modern distro by now? So you need to use easy effects not pulse effects?
PulseEffects also works, but yes. I noted that in the video, as I didn't even know of Easy Effects until then
@@MichaelNROH i dont know i had Problems with pulse effects on newer Systems.
I do not even think hardcore Window users like the subscription based software. Just another money and telemetry grab.
I can't stand windows and there is no program that I want to get me back to windows.
I like Bottles, but I would rather support Crossover from Codeweavers since they actually employ a respectable amount of Wine devs and they also contribute big time upstream and they're the driving force behind Steam's Proton (working with Valve). I just wish Crossover had an official Flatpak and Snap version available through the known software centers though, that would make things easier for the normal joe to know and find out about it.
You have proven that Adobe is actively making their products unfriendly to Linux.
Porting, switching is an absolute headache to most people.
I have a better solution, instead of running from here and there, we should fight and pass a law that prevents any big corporations form becoming shills, we also need people to enforce that law.
the only thing that keep me from daily driving Linux is the Autodesk programs, especially Autocad, Revit and civil 3D there are some alternatives for CAD programs but in my opinion they don't come close to the applications I need.
Every field has "I would switch if I could run x software."
I feel like with Surveying programs you're gonna have to stick to Windows. Like 95% of regular desktop users (yes even Windows users) will never even know Autodesk is a thing. It'd be tough to get a popularity big enough to port Autodesk outside of Windows.
sometimes crossover runs installers better than wine
Evince, Okular, Foxit Reader, MuPDF ve Xpdf "we are not good don't use us"
I'd add NAPS2 as a great scanning tool.
They are all fine until your employer sends you a form already modified by Acrobat. Then you can't see half the filled forms and they can't see the ones you filled out.
@@burningwp I normally use Zathura to read PDFs, but okay, challenge accepted. I will try every PDF made by Adobe. Robin
@@burningwp It's not just forms; there are more issues. Let me provide you with further details. When I try the same thing and attempt to open it in Linux...
@@burningwp I download a PDF form example and open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat. It changes a little bit, and when I open it in LibreOffice Draw, there's no problem; everything is fine. After making some more changes and saving it as a .pdf file, I open it in the web version of Adobe Acrobat, and it still works fine. Perhaps it's a problem specific to the desktop version of Adobe Acrobat.
I use Intel Arc because AMD didn't have usable support and left issues open for years without resolution. See the mesa bug tracker.
Mesa != AMD
@@ShadowManceri AMD obviously isn't a reliable source for information disparaging them... Though I would be curious where their bug tacker is if not the mesa gitlab project?
@@cheako91155 Mesa is not an AMD project. Mesa is 3D graphics library that hold open source implementation for Vulkan, OpenGL etc. It then converts those API's into various vendors graphics drivers. Such as Intel, AMD and Nvidia. So bug in Mesa isn't AMD bug, at least directly. It might be related to a bug in AMD drivers, or any other vendor.
for me why i don't use linux is literally because of driver support. for example, i have a mediatek wifi card and that card to be exact has no drivers at all working on linux. mediatek is really slow with driver adaption for linux for some reason, and having no wifi would make my use case really impratical.
AX 200 wifi cards are cheap. $20 . I got mine for less. Plug'n'play
Which card you have?
which mediatek card do you have
Wayland should have a Nvidia beta driver called 555. Have you tested it?
I wonder if they could make office and photo shop work on Wine, seems like just a Wine bug to be honest. There can be bugs like that, for example before Roblox officially killed Linux support with anit cheat, the only thing stopping it from working was a mouse bug out of all things
I'm willing to deal with lots of annoyances, if I can play all my games without issues, configure all my hardware, and run any productivity software.
Not to mention other QoL issues such as full HD streaming. I'm stuck at 480p on Prime and 720p on Netflix. Yuck!
Try new software use online for Google apps and MS Apps.
Thats not a QoL issue, thats Amazon, Netflix and other Video Streaming services being fecking dicks. They actively serve you shittier quality because you use Linux.
at the end of the day, you will have to leave the windows ecosystem and move to the Linux world, if you locked yourself to the windows system, there is no helping you, and the effort should be put into making the Linux / open source / free software world better and not to adhere to the proclivities of the closed sourced windows system. Windows and it's software will eventually render itself undesirable by keeping on adding restrictions and intrusions into the users personal space. The Linux platform is perfectly usable and very functional, the application to get the job done are plenty available and are good quality, and no, they are neither feature parity, nor should they be. the users will have to make the hard choice.
Since Windows is such a different OS than Linux, why don't we use MacOS version of software? Since MacOS is Unix based and has a similar file structure style, doesn't it make more sense to use MacOS native apps rather than Windows?
MacOS isn't really that similar to Linux. And it is far less popular than Windows
@@akeem2983 But MacOS has support for Adobe apps and is Unix based OS.
@@meemon7580 Yes, but it has different APIs and different executable format. I doubt it's easier to run MacOS software on Linux compared to Windows software
@@meemon7580 The entire point of using a Mac is content creation work specifically involving Final Cut Pro X and some music production
Otherwise..you're wasting 20% extra money on something shiny and just as if not more locked than than Winturd.
The only way you'll get support for a Mac version of software is if you can fool them into thinking you are running an actual MAC computer. Apple computer company may be just as big of software nazis as microcrap..but crapple isn't stupid and their sites/domains can tell what you're running.
@@meemon7580the thing is GNU/Linux desktop can't even run Android apk despite it's based on linux kernal and open source
For everyone wanted the best of two world, you could always setup a dual boot.
1:36 Bro, you've already lost 90% of the people who've never run Linux before, and you haven't even gotten to the installer yet.
Which is just sad. :(
My deal was with music software and all the licensing. It's sad because there's not an excuse. Tracktion Waveform and Renoise tracker are stellar examples of what should happen for Linux. I push away from the Foss crowd because we have lost money opportunity. Not everything has to be open source and free.
I agree. I use Reaper in Linux.
@@musicalneptunian Ya, this choice for audio on linux was simple for me. Low latency, no OS services getting in the way. Ladspa plugins actually fly like a scalded ape. I had NI Komplete Synths. They basically expect you to buy new for each machine. That's like buying a new guitar every time you build a new system. I have Win on an nvme with FL Studio, I leave it, pulled the drive out.
The moment Adobe CC works on Linux is the moment I'll jump the Windows ship forever. They can keep their shitty spying ads-riddled AI garbage OS for themselves.
In the last 5 years Linux made massive leaps forward in the gaming aspect (thanks Gabe) and with SteamOS on the horizon I think gaming will be great on Linux soonTM. But I have to work with Adobe and there's simply no viable alternative (Thanks for buying up and then trashing every good one, Adobe...) that is professional/mature enough.
Office 365 code is setup to access APIs that are currently not written in to Wine yet. They are too proprietary. 365 is a data collector anyway; why would anyone want that on their Linux system in the first place?
Because it is still one of the best office suites. Excel really does not have a full alternative. And if the company pays, most people really don't care all that much.
@@EraYaN It is the best when they are not including telemetry. My data is my own and not meant to be examined by a third party. If I am doing some form of spreadsheet for a client, that data does not belong to M$, regardless they wrote the code. I will not compromise safety to satisfy a money hungry monopoly. There are many FOSS devs designing extensions and addons for free office suites that do similar things, (not all, I concede) that 365 is capable of. I'd rather adapt to the small learning curve.
@@michaelcopple1736 Telemetry and spreadsheet data is not the same thing.
mfw when Michael Horn won't see me around 😔
To me, these installer problems sound very like a "works as designed" problem. In other words, they do NOT want it to install and run on Linux. They are protecting the MS mother ship.
I don't actually care anymore. I have software that runs on Linux natively, and since I retried bur still very active in the IT world, what I have is good enough for *everything*.
I am thisclose to switching over to Linux completely on my oersonal machines as well. Only problem is terrible support for my 144hz monitor on Nvidia
My logitech headsets won't work with surround sound DTS 7.1 on Linux sadly
i wish adobe would make it work on linux. that is the only thing holding me back from switching to linux full time. i use ubuntu on my old laptop and will soon use it on my laser computer. but my desktop and other laptop im using win 11
1:42 oh so I didn’t need to use a VM
Found you on another YT channel and came here to sub.
was it from "tech over tea"?
Change the runner from soda to wine
I figured this out on my own and it saved me a headache.
69% and then stops is no coincidence. fully intentional. btw, this is the same story with itoons for me :( also, some emulators, but not all, are bad. xenia and the canary version always crash. only thing i really use bottles/wine for is ea app. and even then, i'm kinda done with EA. if anyone is wondering, it works fine.
Alright, side note, but I really need your desktop wallpaper :D Where to download it?
I'm not sure what browser you're using, I like that it has user-agent controls exposed to the user by default, I really hope it's not a chrome based browser though.
This is Brave, so Chromium base yes.
Because it's not long before Linux breaks
idc about app compatibility. the battery life 😢😢
we have 7z and it's easy to use
7z is supported on Linux by either 7-ZIP itself or the usually installed app ArchiveManager
@@MichaelNROH it works perfectly
We have out of the box 7z format support, but not the 7-zip archive manager. Though PeaZip exists which is based on 7-zip, but it's not that popular
Easy effects is a game changer